Old news is no news.

[Kulapops]

I'm just thinking to myself:

Can't we just agree :

There is an illuminati, (or some concept of an overarching power base)
There are FEMA camps
There are aliens
There is financial manipulation
911 was an inside job
The state would be quite happy if it had to do little to control the population
Corporations ultimately want to make money and increase power share, to the exclusion of other corporations
There is such a thing as an altered state, and from this perception you may travel, or experience all kinds of phenomenon
People don't get along as well as they should
We are actually, quite selfish and ego driven

...and move on to something else ????

Otherwise we are just going around in circles.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm just thinking to myself:

Can't we just agree :

There is an illuminati, (or some concept of an overarching power base)
There are FEMA camps
There are aliens
There is financial manipulation
911 was an inside job
The state would be quite happy if it had to do little to control the population
Corporations ultimately want to make money and increase power share, to the exclusion of other corporations
There is such a thing as an altered state, and from this perception you may travel, or experience all kinds of phenomenon
People don't get along as well as they should
We are actually, quite selfish and ego driven

...and move on to something else ????

Otherwise we are just going around in circles.

100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why?
Who are humans anyway?
How long has all this been going on?
Who's really behind it?
What might happen in the next few years?
What can we be or do that will change the timeline?

[Ahkenaten]

I couldn't agree more.............................let's take it to the next level people.......................

WHO AND WHAT ARE WE 'HUMANS' including genetic information that is not widely available

WHAT IS OUR REAL HISTORY including anomalies about our history and the history of the world that challenge the conventional paradigm

PROJECTIONS of possibilities for our future under the assumption that we are creating it NOW

(I'm not sure about this timeline stuff. It seems to me that as creative energetic beings we have the potential individually and collectively to shift our trajectory and the reality on a dime, under the principle that if one thing happened differently in the past, we would not be where we are today.)

[Solphilos]

I agree fully with you previous thread about keeping quality over quantity. I find that people who endlessly repeat the same redundant information are often nervous and terrified, and are desperate to be heard, either to have someone comfort them by proving them wrong or by dragging others into their fear.
Perhaps there should be a sub-forum reserved for such posts, where those who are new to the subject can scream their heads off without impeding on the quality of the rest of the forum, and perhaps create rules forbidding such posts?

[Pamela]

I couldn't agree more.............................let's take it to the next level people.......................

WHO AND WHAT ARE WE 'HUMANS' including genetic information that is not widely available

I question why as "humans" are we not able to "see" the other beings around us. My daughter at age 3 stared and laughed as she watched a "flower" in a dark bedroom fly near the ceiling. At age 4 (in another home) she saw "birdies" across the room (which I could not see) and then held out her hand and laughed and said, "It landed in my hand!" She was completely in awe with the beauty and wonderment of the "birdie". There was NO FEAR!

Why do we lose that ability to see? Or why can we not all be aware that it exists? Does something in our being get turned off?

[truthseekerdan]

100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why?
Who are humans anyway?
How long has all this been going on?
Who's really behind it?
What might happen in the next few years?
What can we be or do that will change the timeline?



Do we ever see the message? :rolleyes:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7755-New-Reality-Transmission

[Kulapops]

Well, it's nice to have a consensus here for a change !

I agree Bill, those are some neat questions...

I think we'd have more success turning those questions inwards to ourselves than to the world/cosmos in general.

I'd have more luck with the question 'Why do I visit Avalon?' 'Why am I interested in facets of existence that others are not?; than I would ever with a question, 'Why do the illuminati do what they do?' or indeed why anyone else does what they do.

One of the great potentials of a forum is that it is an open place for people to speak their truth. I'd enjoy it so much more if everyone could speak their personal truth (love the fairies Pam!) , rather than regugitating someone else's

This would be a slimmer , leaner site indeed if that were the case !

[rhythm]

http://pool.twincitiesdailyphoto.com/2007/merry_go_round-01.jpg
off the merry go round ..count me in my lovrlys:thumb:

[shadowstalker]

100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why?
Who are humans anyway?
How long has all this been going on?
Who's really behind it?
What might happen in the next few years?
What can we be or do that will change the timeline?



Agreed that's why I haven't post much lately, to me it's the same old hat. So I try to find stuff I haven't seen before.

[Ahkenaten]

An interesting challenge, if ever there were one, this whole concept of taking it to the next level, but very very important at this time!

Pam I have come to believe one of the severe downsides to the so-called socialization process of humans is the dumbing down and dampening down effects, carried mostly I believe in the spoken language. In little children one can easily see the divine and unlimited potential to human beings. I believe that your little girl actually saw into the other dimensions that co-exist with us. I have seen many such instances including a child who was not schizophrenic playing happily and interactively with beings that were invisible to me. We got to get back to the garden.

[Hiram]

shifted from my response on another thread...though appropriate here as well:

As for Avalon, don't fall into the addictive trap of always seeking the next news item. As many veterans of the alternative news community will tell you, after the first initial stages of awareness expansion...you reach a plateau....and at a certain point every future step must be done more slowly and thoughtfully, and your rate of progress slows. Like a mountainclimber you plod upward, slowly, one foot at a time...but ever upward.

This is just another stage of growth. Next you'll be asking yourself: How can I take the knowledge that the sun is entering a period of increased activity, and apply that to helping me finish sanding that shelf in the garage??

I'll tell you a secret....you can apply that knowledge.

How does the fact that HAARP is being utilized to trigger earthquakes or other global affects help you with washing the dishes?

It can indeed. Your awareness is increased. And any act done in awareness, from painting a wall, to washing someones feet, can be sacred and meaningful when enacted with increased awareness.

So don't separate the two worlds....so without...so within. Synthesize them.

And as many old-timers will tell you, though news may not always be new....you can always consider that news in a new way.

[lightblue]

hiram:

And as many old-timers will tell you, though news may not always be new....you can always consider that news in a new way.

think this may put this argument on a healthy basis...implicitely, the opening post attaches a value judgment to "old" as opoosed to "new news"...i fail to see how can this logic follow...
market researchers, advertisers, goverment institutions (instruments of tptb really) have over the many years done their bestest to instill into the general publlic's minds just that: OLD NEWS IS FACT WE ALREADY SERVED YOU and in the sub-context: do not query, move on, we are happy to sell you the latest edition we want you to take on board.....in my book, every bit of "old news" is worth just as much attention as any of the latest.. like we know, in the endless examples of "old news" we were actually told outright LIES and it is more than important to expose those in the finest of detail... :yu: l


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[Teakai]

100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why?
Who are humans anyway?
How long has all this been going on?
Who's really behind it?
What might happen in the next few years?
What can we be or do that will change the timeline?



Why - to build a Utopian society.

Who are humans - a genetic mix of alien and hominid.

How long has this been going on - the deception - since the 14th century beginning with the church taking the mysteries for themsleves and killing off the learned people in the know.

Whose really behind it - the templars - mystery school initiates.

What might happen over the next few years - the 'ptb' will carry out their plans to build a Utopian society (for themsleves)

What can we do or be to change the timeline - we can wake up to our higher self and discover the talents we do have - and use them.
Live in the higher mind and not be immersed in the reptillian brain - which is how 'they' are able to control us.

These answers are subject to change with new information.

[morguana]

Not just aliens and human, some of us are something quite 'other' as well ;)
A bit of a mixed bag is a walking this earth, some by accident and some by design.

M

[Kulapops]

shifted from my response on another thread...though appropriate here as well:

As for Avalon, don't fall into the addictive trap of always seeking the next news item. As many veterans of the alternative news community will tell you, after the first initial stages of awareness expansion...you reach a plateau....and at a certain point every future step must be done more slowly and thoughtfully, and your rate of progress slows. Like a mountainclimber you plod upward, slowly, one foot at a time...but ever upward.

This is just another stage of growth. Next you'll be asking yourself: How can I take the knowledge that the sun is entering a period of increased activity, and apply that to helping me finish sanding that shelf in the garage??

I'll tell you a secret....you can apply that knowledge.

How does the fact that HAARP is being utilized to trigger earthquakes or other global affects help you with washing the dishes?

It can indeed. Your awareness is increased. And any act done in awareness, from painting a wall, to washing someones feet, can be sacred and meaningful when enacted with increased awareness.

So don't separate the two worlds....so without...so within. Synthesize them.

And as many old-timers will tell you, though news may not always be new....you can always consider that news in a new way.

Hi Hiram,

I thought I'd replied to say thanks for this post, you're talking my language.. but I don't see it now. My Madness is confirmed :)

Yes.. I absolutely adore the imagery of the wonderous (ooh, let's say living in 11 dimensions - but why only 11? I say let's have a couple more, one for you, one for me... and one for the road. Ooh. That's three.) and the mundane. Sanding shelves.

I'm sure there are Taoists who spent many an hour sweeping a step or stirring a stew.

Leaps to infinity and beyond require an equally infinite leap into the earth.

[Teakai]

I question why as "humans" are we not able to "see" the other beings around us. My daughter at age 3 stared and laughed as she watched a "flower" in a dark bedroom fly near the ceiling. At age 4 (in another home) she saw "birdies" across the room (which I could not see) and then held out her hand and laughed and said, "It landed in my hand!" She was completely in awe with the beauty and wonderment of the "birdie". There was NO FEAR!

Why do we lose that ability to see? Or why can we not all be aware that it exists? Does something in our being get turned off?

Hi Pam, thinking about this - maybe it's conditioning, or maybe children are more sensitive and open to other fields of energy - which we as a society tend to discourage in our children.

When my daughter was 2 she used to talk about this friend called Kathy who was American - and she (my daughter) would speak with an American accent when she was being Kathy.
Now I wish I'd asked more questions - but back then my husband and I just brushed it off. My daughter no longer remembers Kathy.

One of Michael Newton's clients (best books I've ever read) tried to explain to him that reality was like having different sheets of transparency laid over the top of each other.
I paraphrased that a bit - can't remember the exact description.

[Teakai]

Not just aliens and human, some of us are something quite 'other' as well ;)
A bit of a mixed bag is a walking this earth, some by accident and some by design.

M

Not quite sure what you mean Morguana?

Isn't the physical human body pretty much all the same the world over? And aren't these bodies inhabited by us spiritual beings?

Or are you speaking about the idea that there are reptillians who are disgusing themsleves as humans?

Or am I right off track?

[jcocks]

What can we do or be to change the timeline - we can wake up to our higher self and discover the talents we do have - and use them.
Live in the higher mind and not be immersed in the reptillian brain - which is how 'they' are able to control us.


The probelm as I see it is that we don't have a hope while we remain under the control of the devices that seek to keep us down. What I'd like to happen is for these devices to be done away with so we have a chance to rise up and recognise our higher selves and our talents and utilise them without being held back. That's why I'm actually looking forward to the solar maximum that is coming up. If it knocks out our elctricity grids, if it knocks out the sattelites, chances are it will knock out some of these control structures (surveillance satellites and mind control sattellites, and whatever else they have up there - and down here) as well....

We've never truly experienced life without these controls... It's about time we had a chance to, and then we can really shine as a species...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

BTW: If what Bill recently said about " their machine" being "broken" is correct, this may be the beginning of the process I mentioned..... And an opportunity that can be utilised to "rise above the machine"....

[Agape]

We have news...far too more than majority can handle..

we have knowledge and information...and lots more to seek.

We have big big puzzle, the biggest possible and it keeps growing..seemingly or not like a pattern changing its color and expanding like fractal ..

we have as much as we can handle ,

and the Life is always much bigger, as big as our understanding and as big as our eyes and the world supposedly existing behind them,

as the puzzle of our minds trying to fix it all together .


We are the light and we're the shadow


:sleep:

[Hiram]

That's why I'm actually looking forward to the solar maximum that is coming up. If it knocks out our elctricity grids, if it knocks out the sattelites, chances are it will knock out some of these control structures (surveillance satellites and mind control sattellites, and whatever else they have up there - and down here) as well....

We've never truly experienced life without these controls... It's about time we had a chance to, and then we can really shine as a species...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

BTW: If what Bill recently said about " their machine" being "broken" is correct, this may be the beginning of the process I mentioned..... And an opportunity that can be utilised to "rise above the machine"....


A bit off topic, but part & parcel of what we are talking about here. Yes, to get an idea of what its like to live life outside of this static noise, visit one of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon, or the People of the Deer in the far northern reaches of the Northern territories near Yellowknife.

Even there in these isolated places the noise has begun to infiltrate their lives. Not to worry though my friends, this is part of the process. It isn't the man who "hears the clear call of the spirit in the silence of nature" anymore.

No. The next challenge, the new "edge of the world" that man must grow beyond, is to hear the clear call of the spirit in the midst of this noise and static. To be able to cut through this nonsense and here the clarion call in the distance despite the distraction.

We here on Avalon and Camelot are those who HAVE heard the bell tolling. For whom does it toll? It tolls for thee....

This is the test of you lives...its not your job...its not your family...its not the bull#%!t at the bank....wake up. This is serious.

Pay attention.

I won't minimize this. I won't overemphasize it either. It doesn't matter how I present it. It isn't about me, its about you and your energetic journey.

The truth is there are those out there right now, right this minute, who believe you aren't worth the ground you stand on...you aren't worth saving!

What do you wish to do as a result of that???



Addendum: You all are simply amazing. I like just sitting here watching you think. You inspire me every day...reading your posts!

[Celine]

100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why? Constant urge to know more
Who are humans anyway? Gods
How long has all this been going on? Time? hmm Eons maybe? Time doesnt really matter anymore
Who's really behind it? We (humans) are
What might happen in the next few years? Everything
What can we be or do that will change the timeline? Stop the clock



Great Questions Bill..

[jcocks]

The question of WHY is the one I'm having trouble answering at the moment. WHY are TPTB running a secret space program of such magnitude? WHY are they travelling between the stars and WHY is this all being kept from us?

Unless there is a whole secret earthborn human society, not just a small group of powerful people, but a whole society that we don't know about, I don't understand why there is such secrecy and such a HUGE secret space program. In order for it to be sustainable, quite a considerable number of people would have to be involved... Quite a few more than even we would expect... And then, WHY keep it from us? What purpose does that serve?

Maybe that's what the whole "100 year spaceship" program is geared towards.... Cross-seeding the "secret" space program with civilians from Earth....melding the two, or starting to... I don't know. But I know I want to know... I know we need to know... Because the answer to these questions is *IMPORTANT* for the human race to know...

Maybe we ought to create a new sub-forum where we can put all the pieces together into a congruent whole and add the new pieces as they become known...

Maybe then we'll start to get a real picture of what it is we're talking about and where it is taking us as a species...as, even though it may be secret and involve a select few, it affects the whole of humanity.....

[jcocks]

"Flight of the navigator" is on cable at the moment.... I remember watching that movie as a kid, and wishing I was that boy! and sometimes I still do!
ROFL!

Hands up who's seen it and can sympathise with me!

[TigaHawk]

What's so special about earth?

What's so special about Humans?

With the technology ET's should have, creating a planet, and life on it should not be a problem yes? so again - Whats so special about Us?

If this reality is entirely my creation, i realy need to pickup a drinking habbit :P

-------------------------

AND YES!!!

YOU ARE THE NAVIGATOR!!!

What happens when your'e brain gets full? It leaks!


I absolutely loved that show when i was a kid! That and Number 5. :)

[Luke]

My suggestions about what to move on to:


Why?
Who are humans anyway?
How long has all this been going on?
Who's really behind it?
What might happen in the next few years?
What can we be or do that will change the timeline?


(1) Why: Because Things alike tend to gravitate to each other. Because you cannot stop the flow too.
(2) Who are humans anyway? : Spirits of the flow/Gods in the making/Different Perspectives of Unity .. and so are other things too. Rest is just local differentiation.
(3)How long has all this been going on?: Since there is no linear time, this question cannot be answered, but we see there were many sequences even it this locale. So one can answer: as long as we wish it so.
(4)Who's really behind it? Depends on scale we are talking about. On a long run we choose our lessons. On a short run there are entities that are enjoying creating rigid structures and imbalances in the flow, to give themselves more "juice" than they deserve ... and there are many levels to those. Structures here are "holograms" of bigger ones, spanning in and out of the Source.
(5)What might happen in the next few years? : Depends on us. Guys that think they run the show seem to run in some problems. There might be turf war in the works, and this will affect us - still whoever wins, we loose anyway; that's why we should seize this opportunity to see things for what they are, and leave this rigged game, to build new things on our own, not with borrowed things with strings attached, as all the players want us to do; there is level to it we have full control over, if we realize it.
(6)What can we be or do that will change the timeline: First we must realize what timeline is: a frozen sequence. By very nature, aligning with it make those who designed it those in charge. If we do not like the design, then we should not support it giving it energy (positive and negative). But that is not enough- you cannot have void- one need to have design of your own .. not necessarily frozen 'timeline" .. au contraire - design can be open ended, holistic, chaotic .. but do not count power freaks to appreciate that side of the story :)
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There are stories in sequence that repeat time and time again. It all has happened before, it all will happen again. There are archetypes burned in thought-space that we align to quickly, and often not appreciating nuances. All posibilities are already in existence, Our "Job" is to navigate to those that move us from loop we know all too well, to another realm.
Still there are those who are only enjoying the movies they already know.

[Kulapops]

Amazing.. as if to remind me that there's no such thing as an original post... a friend recommended I check out the God like productions web site... and lo ! THis was the first thread I read there....

Looks like they have even more suggestions (there's a list of about 15) we could use to 'slim down' the news :)

I have to say, some of these made me laugh out loud, others are rude and funny and others are just plain rude!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1253139/pg1

K

[rhythm]

http://api.ning.com/files/DYsgZT5btDU-5lOA-GPtDRvsX20mTvhF74TMZkvJqUwvO8dbMo3VXcS5cCmVksRVvHiz6sy41tOrKEsPVrC-RZxKslnRqSje/2colorbloodband1.jpg

hey kulla my blood type is right royal blue :tongue1:

[morguana]

Not quite sure what you mean Morguana?

Isn't the physical human body pretty much all the same the world over? And aren't these bodies inhabited by us spiritual beings?

Or are you speaking about the idea that there are reptillians who are disgusing themsleves as humans?

Or am I right off track?

Yep physical body under examination would show up as human, the soul is the soul, but the spirit I feel can be diverse, some not from this planet (ets) some not from this realm (or dimension), eg the mythological type beings (fey folk, etc) and some very ancient energies from way back or those from the future. I feel that we are very much more interesting than we can comprehend, given that we are multidimensional and could be seen as the human part being tip of iceberg, (to quote a friend) this all is of course just how I understand things :) others may have other thought/feelings on such things
Hope this is clearer :) sometimes hard to find the words to convey a feeling
M

[truthseekerdan]

Amazing.. as if to remind me that there's no such thing as an original post... a friend recommended I check out the God like productions web site... and lo ! THis was the first thread I read there....

Looks like they have even more suggestions (there's a list of about 15) we could use to 'slim down' the news :)

I have to say, some of these made me laugh out loud, others are rude and funny and others are just plain rude!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1253139/pg1

K

Kula, maybe that's a better forum if you wanna act like a god...:lol: :wink: JK

[Kulapops]

Ooh.. if only I could wave my hands and make myself invisible....


http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=12544

[Agape]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan
100% agreed. :)
My suggestions about what to move on to:
•Why? Constant urge to know more
•Who are humans anyway? Gods
•How long has all this been going on? Time? hmm Eons maybe? Time doesnt really matter anymore
•Who's really behind it? We (humans) are
•What might happen in the next few years? Everything
•What can we be or do that will change the timeline? Stop the clock



To stop the clock ? For how long :haha:

[Teakai]

Yep physical body under examination would show up as human, the soul is the soul, but the spirit I feel can be diverse, some not from this planet (ets) some not from this realm (or dimension), eg the mythological type beings (fey folk, etc) and some very ancient energies from way back or those from the future. I feel that we are very much more interesting than we can comprehend, given that we are multidimensional and could be seen as the human part being tip of iceberg, (to quote a friend) this all is of course just how I understand things :) others may have other thought/feelings on such things
Hope this is clearer :) sometimes hard to find the words to convey a feeling
M

Oh yes, I do understand what you mean, Morguana, and I do agree :)

I was answering 'what is a human' from a physical perspective. 'We' are not 'human' - though this experience is in human form.

It sounds as though we may view this similarly - that at essence we are the culmination of many experiences not always gained from an earth or a human perspective.

Take away the human body and a human is not what remains.