Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

[lucidity]

Hello siblings,

In the following story .. there are 8,000 paedophile priests.
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/news/europe/vatican-reeling-pope-francis-admits-army-8000-pedophile-priests/



Pope Francis was quoted as saying that the 2% estimate came from advisers. It would represent around 8,000 child-abusing priests out of a global number of about 414,000. While the incidence of pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder in the general population is not accurately known, some estimates have put it at less than five percent.


So perhaps the true number is more like 4%... which would mean there are
16,000 paedophile priests.

The same story is reported by the guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/pope-francis-priests-paedophiles-la-repubblica

I wonder if there are equivalent ratios amongst orthodox Catholic priests, rabbis, protestant vicars, Muslim clergy ... or is this disease peculiar to christian priests?

I somehow imagine that the rate of paedophilia is very much lower amongst
Buddhist monks ... or am i being naive ?

lucidity

[sandy]

I don't know but my gut says these reports are attempting to minimize the existence of this horrible behaviour by indicating there are really not that many poisoning the system!!

[Billy]

Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

I have no concern how large this army is, It is now time for this army of priests to uncock their weapons and surrender to love and forgiveness.

Peace

[Maunagarjana]

Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

I have no concern how large this army is, It is now time for this army of priests to uncock their weapons and surrender to love and forgiveness.

Peace

Oh, they do surrender to love and forgiveness. They love children way too much, and they forgive themselves for molesting them. Maybe it's time to bring back the eunuch priests like they had in some old pagan religions. Or would that be too literal of an uncocking?

[ThePythonicCow]

In the following story .. there are 8,000 paedophile priests.


Pope Francis was quoted as saying that the 2% estimate came from advisers. It would represent around 8,000 child-abusing priests out of a global number of about 414,000. While the incidence of pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder in the general population is not accurately known, some estimates have put it at less than five percent.

The title of this thread is overly sensationalist, in my view (granted, the topic of this thread can easily motivate such.)

The Pope did not "admit", but rather quoted an estimate.

It's not an "army" of paedophiles, for they are not shown to be, in what's presented here, an association hierarchically organized in the pursuit of paedophilia, rather they are a select subset of a larger hierarchically organized association.

Perhaps, lucidity, you could suggest a more accurate thread title, such as "Pope Francis estimates that there are 8,000 paedophile priests." (ending in a full stop '.', rather than an exclamation point '!')? I or another other moderator can change a thread title.

[jake gittes]

In the following story .. there are 8,000 paedophile priests.


Pope Francis was quoted as saying that the 2% estimate came from advisers. It would represent around 8,000 child-abusing priests out of a global number of about 414,000. While the incidence of pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder in the general population is not accurately known, some estimates have put it at less than five percent.

The title of this thread is overly sensationalist, in my view (granted, the topic of this thread can easily motivate such.)

The Pope did not "admit", but rather quoted an estimate.

It's not an "army" of paedophiles, for they are not shown to be, in what's presented here, an association hierarchically organized in the pursuit of paedophilia, rather they are a select subset of a larger hierarchically organized association.

Perhaps, lucidity, you could suggest a more accurate thread title, such as "Pope Francis estimates that there are 8,000 paedophile priests." (ending in a full stop '.', rather than an exclamation point '!')? I or another other moderator can change a thread title.

Semantics. However "nicely" you want to put it, there are 8,000 perverts in this particular organization out there destroying the lives of children. And they sure as hell appear to be "in the pursuit of paedophilia," and organized, if you believe the countless stories coming out about international human trafficking and the endless covering up and re-location of offenders in "the church" to other dioceses, where they ruin more lives.

For better accuracy, I'd recommend the thread title, "Pope Francis admits there's 8,000 pieces of human excrement in the church."

[cursichella1]

...I wonder if there are equivalent ratios amongst orthodox Catholic priests, rabbis, protestant vicars, Muslim clergy ... or is this disease peculiar to christian priests?

I somehow imagine that the rate of paedophilia is very much lower amongst
Buddhist monks ... or am i being naive ?

Not exclusive to Roman Catholic clergy...

From Salon: Evangelical church accused of ignoring sexual abuse, “pedophilia ring” (http://www.salon.com/2013/03/12/evangelical_church_accused_of_ignoring_sexual_abuse_pedophilia_ring_partner/)

Not exclusive to Christianity...

From the DailyMail: 85 Arrested In Brooklyn Child Sex Abuse Scandal (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072839/Child-sex-abuse-scandal-rocks-Orthodox-Jewish-community-85-arrested.html)

And this from Educate-Yourself.org: Media Silence (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tedpikepedophiliaorthodoxjudaism11feb13.shtml)

(I'll let someone else look into any prevalence among Muslim clergy...the Muslim community has been unjustly accused of so much other stuff lately...)

Then there's this God-awful practice, sort of a "built-in" access (and the relatives get to watch!):

Fourth New York Jewish baby this year treated for herpes after controversial Orthodox circumcision method (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887862/Fourth-Jewish-baby-year-treated-herpes-controversial-Orthodox-circumsicion-method.html)


The baby was born in November and showed signs of herpes infection on the penis shortly after being circumcised but has since recovered
The method of circumcision in question ends with the man performing the ceremony, a mohel, sucking blood from the baby's foreskin
This is the 17th recorded case of herpes in babies from a circumcision since 2000

I'm going to leave it at that as I'm about to throw up. Suffice it to say that what is reported is just a fraction of what occurs worldwide.

[Omni]

Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

I have no concern how large this army is, It is now time for this army of priests to uncock their weapons and surrender to love and forgiveness.

Peace

Oh, they do surrender to love and forgiveness. They love children way too much, and they forgive themselves for molesting them. Maybe it's time to bring back the eunuch priests like they had in some old pagan religions. Or would that be too literal of an uncocking?

Beautiful post Mauna :) Took the words right out of my mouth(and said it better than I would have)...

[Shani]

Are we surprised?.............firstly the choice of celibacy can only suit a few souls on earth and with regards to men who often have such different sexual drives to women, is it any wonder, they abuse children and young people ?
Also as " fear " and the primitive brain drives most of us, unless we are conscious to it( all part of the control by the Annunaki who interfered with our DNA,way back) and the control of humanity by the Cabal families, of which the Catholic Church is part of the brain-washing control centre....this will go on until we expose the whole corrupted history of humanity and bring about true love on earth !

[Billy]

Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

I have no concern how large this army is, It is now time for this army of priests to uncock their weapons and surrender to love and forgiveness.

Peace

Oh, they do surrender to love and forgiveness. They love children way too much, and they forgive themselves for molesting them. Maybe it's time to bring back the eunuch priests like they had in some old pagan religions. Or would that be too literal of an uncocking?

I would say true love for our children does not include unbalanced desires that cause harm and life long trauma. True love includes protection and nurturing with no desire to do harm others. Where as the actions of unbalanced desires of a paedophile are the opposite to this. But of course you already know this. :yes4:

Having been abused myself as a child but not from a man of the cloth, I have met both victims of abuse by priests and those priests who have abused, The latter i found were very troubled souls who were confused with their sexuality. I witnessed no self forgiveness within the ones i met, only living in denial until caught then regrets and self hate after wards. The last priest i talked to was just about to begin his 6yr prison sentence for abuse he committed 30yrs previously, A broken man He forgot that children grow up into adults.


Are we surprised?.............firstly the choice of celibacy can only suit a few souls on earth and with regards to men who often have such different sexual drives to women, is it any wonder, they abuse children and young people ?
Also as " fear " and the primitive brain drives most of us, unless we are conscious to it( all part of the control by the Annunaki who interfered with our DNA,way back) and the control of humanity by the Cabal families, of which the Catholic Church is part of the brain-washing control centre....this will go on until we expose the whole corrupted history of humanity and bring about true love on earth !

Well said. But one of the main problems is that celibacy within the priesthood is not a choice but forced. I agree that it does suit only a few priests, As with fasting, celibacy has to be a choice that comes from the heart, if it is forced onto a priest who has desires for intimate relationships it has the opposite effect and as we know, can cause life long damage and harm. I was also a good friend of a great priest who then became a Bishop. He told me the church had picked the wrong man. Another troubled soul who up and left the church to stay with his female lover of many years.

Before Rome took control of the early Christianity and enforced celibacy, Priests and Priestesses had a choice whether to marry or be celibate. Rome has much to answer for.

Bring back celibacy as choice is what i say.

Peace.

[Agape]

Lucidity , I've never researched the subject deep enough ... from life experience and inter-cultural observations and studies and work with people though ,
I suggest the number ( percentage ) of pedophilia ( or tendency towards.. ) has to be even higher than 2% , maybe 4% would be more accurate and certainly not reserved to priests .
If the Pope claims 2% prevalence among priests it may also , logically point to much higher percentage of pedophilia among lay populace .

Now how do you define the 'disorder' is still another problem while term translates as 'love for children' . We all know what it means but the problem is that if you start profiling /mapping general populace you'd simply find the 'trait' - as an exaggeration of positive , fatherly or motherly instinct ,
distributed through out the society without any strictly defined boundaries .

Lets say among the '8 million of pedophiles' most are discrete , and virtually harmless individuals who exercise their 'love' by being near to children .
You can find them as those 'over sweetened' parents , picky school teachers , borderline psychopaths of all sorts or , in cultures permitting 'underage marriage' they're people ( both men and women ) who prefer children ,
often end up mistreating them at the same time .

Every disorder has a root in one or another form of natural , 'instinctive' behaviour and as a trait ..is much more wide spread , even if discretely than you realise .

It's useless to blame one group ( Catholic priests ) for being 'shining example' of controversy because they step out - their life style itself does - from general societal norm , what people do to their children in 'civil society' is often only more discrete .

There are of course supportive factors that may lead to manifestation of perverted behaviours in otherwise restricted adults ,
suppression of natural instincts in long term may be one , narcissism that has in their case something to do with 'purity' and idealisation of self - and the child -
as 'sacred' and 'special' and refusal of 'dirty human habits' as another .


A tabu topic whose origins should be mapped and understood much better by human psychology ,
where I think hereditary disposition could be found - in relation to those 'overprotective ' parental traits ,
coupled with degenerative - retarded mental feature - that may - or not accompany physical ( maybe hormonal ) dysfunction as well ( the 'patient' can not relate adequately to adult individuals so seeks company of children ).


Personally .. from eyes of a child who i once was till now ... the society is full of it . It's just hard to admit for some people .



:cool:

[KiwiElf]

Well said Agape... we need to keep in mind that homosexuality and transgender were once considered perverse "psychological disorders" in a similar vein, too. (and some - including a few psychologists - still do).

[Shani]

Absolutely true about the past history of priests and priestesses...........not quite sure of the era but priest of all calling could be married or live with a help-mate, no doubt true of some Nuns too.....crazy stuff . We are all in need of peace , honesty and love manifested, especially towards children and young adults.

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How well put!

[Agape]

Well said Agape... we need to keep in mind that homosexuality and transgender were once considered perverse "psychological disorders" in a similar vein, too. (and some - including a few psychologists - still do).

Here, I think I'd be cautious : homosexuality and associated behaviour may be seen as anomalous to heterosexuals but it's usually harmless to those individuals and society ,
in effect ..
children abuse is not . I simply think that the 'trait' deserves more research and investigation , and understanding , so at the end ..parents and adults - generally - with risky behaviours could be recognised earlier than they actually damage lives .

:angel:

[sigma6]

Pope Francis admits there's an army of 8,000 paedophile priests !

I have no concern how large this army is, It is now time for this army of priests to uncock their weapons and surrender to love and forgiveness.

Peace

Shakespeare couldn't have said it better...

[Orion142]

Unfortunately the children that have been abused and sacrificed by these scum for the Satan worshiping 'Ninth Circle' that includes all popes, bishops and royalty etc. well they would love to surrender to love and peace, but they cannot, because they have been killed. I would hang draw and quarter every one of these evil scum in a breath!

[Inaiá]

Well said Agape... we need to keep in mind that homosexuality and transgender were once considered perverse "psychological disorders" in a similar vein, too. (and some - including a few psychologists - still do).

Here, I think I'd be cautious : homosexuality and associated behaviour may be seen as anomalous to heterosexuals but it's usually harmless to those individuals and society ,
in effect ..
children abuse is not . I simply think that the 'trait' deserves more research and investigation , and understanding , so at the end ..parents and adults - generally - with risky behaviours could be recognised earlier than they actually damage lives .

:angel:

:drum:............

[pabranno]

Another aspect to consider when discussing pedophilia is the low vibration it generates. Those elites who engage in massive, ritualistic pedophila do it for reasons other than homosexual urges. I believe they are genuinely, deliberately tapping into lower darker vibrations: deliberately incorporating them. I believe this largely accounts for the Jiimmy Saville, Franklin Conspiracy-type organized behavior.

[lucidity]

Semantics. However "nicely" you want to put it, there are 8,000 perverts in this particular organization out there destroying the lives of children. And they sure as hell appear to be "in the pursuit of paedophilia," and organized, if you believe the countless stories coming out about international human trafficking and the endless covering up and re-location of offenders in "the church" to other dioceses, where they ruin more lives.

For better accuracy, I'd recommend the thread title, "Pope Francis admits there's 8,000 pieces of human excrement in the church."


Hi Jake,

You're correct of-course.
The pernicious covering up, hushing up, denial and excusing of paedophilia by
priests does nothing to protect children, in fact, it permits it's future recurrence
in some new district. Your point is well made.

Your suggested title for this thread sounds reasonable and fair to me.

Best wishes

lucidity ;-)

[Sena]

This is an excellent book on the Catholic priest scandal: "Predatory Priests, Silenced Victims: The Sexual Abuse Crisis and the Catholic Church" by Mary Gail Frawley-O'Dea and Virginia Goldner. A quote:

"Celibacy per se, even mandatory celibacy, is not the risk factor that, in itself, can produce sexually abusive priests. Rather, it is the Catholic idealization of celibacy as a heroic sacrifice inoculating against sexuality, and in particular heterosexuality, that has prepared the ground for sexual misconduct."

[conk]

Paul, I don't think any amount of hyperbole or exaggeration is too great for this vile practice! Why not call them an army. The kids are certainly under siege.