Huge Explosion in Donetsk, the Ukraine

[Omni]

Seems no news outlets are covering this. Some seem to think it was a nuke due to the shockwave. I am not sure. But it's an amazing video worth posting IMHO.

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[Sophocles]

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[Olam]

Seems to be an explosive depot..
https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/564550781316370432

[DNA]

If Stewart Swerdlow and Captain Mark Richards are to be believed there is a ongoing struggle between various alien races supporting various large governments. These politics often involve infighting, and often the desire to terminate or alter the terms of the relationship.

[ThePythonicCow]

Seems no news outlets are covering this.
Since Donetsk is in the Ukraine, not in Russia, I just changed the title of this thread from:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk Russia
to:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk, the Ukraine
The sound of the explosion on the first Youtube video posted, in Post #1 of this thread, occurs simultaneously with the visible explosion, which doesn't "sound right" to me. There should be a delay, proportional to the distance between the explosion and the observer, equal to about 5 seconds per mile (the speed of sound in the atmosphere.) One of the later posted videos has this delay, so I don't know what's going on here.

Also, I have no way of verifying the source or time or location of this video, beyond the unsubstantiated claim that it was on "Donetsk Russia" (which I take to mean "Donetsk, the Ukraine").

[ThePythonicCow]

Also, I have no way of verifying the source or time or location of this video, beyond the unsubstantiated claim that it was on "Donetsk Russia" (which I take to mean "Donetsk, the Ukraine").
Here are some postings of this event, on other websites:

Artillery Fire, Not ‘Tactical Nuke’ Attack, Sets Off Large Donetsk Explosion in Ukraine (TheEpochTimes.com) (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1243441-did-a-tactical-nuke-just-go-off-in-ukraine-big-explosion-rocks-donetsk/)
UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: BREAKING: Rebels claim that Ukrainian shell hit the Ministry of Defense's Chemical Factory in Donetsk!!! (GodLikeProductions.com) (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2784097/pg1)
Massive Donetsk Ukraine Explosion (AboveTopSecret.com) (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1054739/pg1)
Donetsk, a powerful explosion, 08.02.15 (UkrStream.tv) (http://ukrstream.tv/en/videos/donetsk_a_powerful_explosion_08_02_15)
BREAKING: Huge explosion at Donetsk city (DavidIcke.com) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062400632)
Video: Spectacular Explosion Leaves A Mushroom Cloud In Eastern Ukraine (BeforeItsNews.com) (http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2015/02/video-spectacular-explosion-leaves-a-mushroom-cloud-in-eastern-ukraine-2484854.html)
Enormous explosion in Donetsk, Ukraine. The cause is still unknown (Reddit.com) (http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2v8ddh/enormous_explosion_in_donetsk_ukraine_the_cause/)
Huge explosion in Donetsk (RobinWestenra.blogspot.com) (http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2015/02/huge-explosion-in-donetsk.html)

So ... while I still can't verify the actual explosion ... I can verify that there is wide spread reporting of such on the "alternative social media".

[Tesseract]

Kiev has allegedly, and I don't think they have denied it, launched ballistic missile attack(s) at targets in the east. I posted a video below that purports to show such an attack, the explosion is quite tremendous. Aside from this sentence, I'll bite my tongue about the absurdity of Washington accepting this kind of massive attack against anti-fascist forces, when they so recently complained about Libya daring to use ("heavy weapon") machine guns against Islamic fascist forces ('their own people') in that country. Anyway, I am not sure if the video in the OP is a similar attack, but it reminded me of it.

On Paul's point about the sound anomaly: there are a few possible explanations. Firstly, the bang that coincides with the original flash may be the sound of a prior explosion not seen on camera. Or, similarly, if this explosion was of a thermobaric bomb (kind of a poor man's nuclear bomb, based on fuel dispersion and explosion with atmospheric oxygen), the first bang may be the fuel dispersion that occurs before the fuel is ignited, however I am not sure if Kiev possesses these weapons and if the timing is too large for that to make sense. Or, it's fabricated, but it's not as if there is the need to fabricate this when there is so much violence going on anyway.


The below video is of the alleged missile strike event from several months ago.

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edit: Russian media is reporting the target, I believe they are talking about the same incident, was an explosives factory, need to hit translate if you visit the link. I guess not all the weapons were coming from Russia.

http://ria.ru/world/20150209/1046617057.html

[Sophocles]

I guess we will know more in the morning when it is daylight.

Zerohedge also has it: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/meanwhile-donetsk

And in one of the articles from Epoch Times it states at the end that Associated Press had contributed to the report: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1243695-ukraine-youtube-videos-capture-huge-blast/

[Omni]

Seems no news outlets are covering this.
Since Donetsk is in the Ukraine, not in Russia, I just changed the title of this thread from:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk Russia
to:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk, the Ukraine
The sound of the explosion on the first Youtube video posted, in Post #1 of this thread, occurs simultaneously with the visible explosion, which doesn't "sound right" to me. There should be a delay, proportional to the distance between the explosion and the observer, equal to about 5 seconds per mile (the speed of sound in the atmosphere.) One of the later posted videos has this delay, so I don't know what's going on here.

Also, I have no way of verifying the source or time or location of this video, beyond the unsubstantiated claim that it was on "Donetsk Russia" (which I take to mean "Donetsk, the Ukraine").

Oops, my bad. Thanks Paul. I'm no Geography major. lol :)

[ThePythonicCow]

The sound of the explosion on the first Youtube video posted, in Post #1 of this thread, occurs simultaneously with the visible explosion, which doesn't "sound right" to me. There should be a delay, proportional to the distance between the explosion and the observer, equal to about 5 seconds per mile (the speed of sound in the atmosphere.) One of the later posted videos has this delay, so I don't know what's going on here.
Ah - my mistake - I did not listen far enough into the first video in the opening post.

The visual explosion occurs at about 5 to 8 seconds into the video, and the shock wave with blasting sound and shattering of window glass occurs at about 18 to 22 seconds into the video, so he was about 2 to 3 miles from the blast.

[ThePythonicCow]

Zerohedge also has it: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/meanwhile-donetsk
Yes :).

That Zerohedge article has this image from space of the explosion:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/02/20150208_erdogan2.jpg
Dang - big badda boom!

[GlassSteagallfan]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

[ghostrider]

When I was in the U.S. Army my training/job was Nuclear Biological Chemical Warfare ... that being said , if the video is real , you just witnessed a ground burst small tactical nuke , they do make a version that doesn't have the radioactive portion in the detonation ... they can be as small as a backpack ... they can be used to deny people the use roads and bridges and limit any ground activity of an area for over 20 years ... the thing to check is one hour and two hours after the blast - what happened in that area ... if two hours later , downwind had serious movement , IE lots of people on the move getting out of dodge , it could have been an active fusion bomb ...

[Fox]

It's hard to believe someone is sitting back with their feet up thinking, "yep, this is a good idea."
Yet, those people exist, en masse. It's madness, it truly is madness. Just seeing one of these things go off outside of your window...

[gripreaper]

You know I wish they would quit it for just a few minutes with the fear mongering and false flags. Can't we get a few days off from this sh!t?

Why is it the ante has been upped to such a degree that we are being deluged with this crap every single day now! Are these bastards so in a timeline crunch that they have to accelerate their timeline, risking the sheep waking up?

You'd think planet X was emerging from behind the sun and we are due for a pole shift real soon, and all the rats are jumping ship and buying property is south America and fueling up their private jets, while military equipment and personnel are being dispatched at a record pace and the dumbs are being stocked with provisions, the way they're acting.

geez, what the hell is up?

[shadowstalker]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

I agree it never would have gotten out of the country, the recording would have been destroyed among other things.

[Omni]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.




When I was in the U.S. Army my training/job was Nuclear Biological Chemical Warfare ... that being said , if the video is real , you just witnessed a ground burst small tactical nuke , they do make a version that doesn't have the radioactive portion in the detonation ... they can be as small as a backpack ... they can be used to deny people the use roads and bridges and limit any ground activity of an area for over 20 years ... the thing to check is one hour and two hours after the blast - what happened in that area ... if two hours later , downwind had serious movement , IE lots of people on the move getting out of dodge , it could have been an active fusion bomb ...

Thanks for the posts... I'm certainly no nuclear expert. I have heard other people who say they are experienced with it say it was a nuke, and others say it wasn't. Either way it was a pretty huge explosion to have a shockwave like that. I initially had some skepticism of it being a nuke if I go by my gut...

[ThePythonicCow]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

You seem (to me) to be assuming that all nuclear blasts have a substantial EMP component to them.

I suspect that the variety of nuclear blast mechanisms that have been developed, and their associated effects, is greater than most of us realize.

[Omni]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

You seem (to me) to be assuming that all nuclear blasts have a substantial EMP component to them.

I suspect that the variety of nuclear blast mechanisms that have been developed, and their associated effects, is greater than most of us realize.

This nuclear blast seemed fine recording(if it's real of course):
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[gripreaper]

So ... while I still can't verify the actual explosion ... I can verify that there is wide spread reporting of such on the "alternative social media".

Alt/media only? Things just get curiouser and curiouser...

[Omni]

So ... while I still can't verify the actual explosion ... I can verify that there is wide spread reporting of such on the "alternative social media".

Alt/media only? Things just get curiouser and curiouser...

Made me realize I should have put "mainstream" media outlets not reporting it. That is what I meant...

I wonder how they get the news they are blacking something out in media. Is there some sort of wire where the Rothschilds or shadow governments(or CIA etc) give them instructions? It definitely seems coordinated...

[ThePythonicCow]

So ... while I still can't verify the actual explosion ... I can verify that there is wide spread reporting of such on the "alternative social media".

Alt/media only? Things just get curiouser and curiouser...
Well, zerohedge reported it, and here is a report from a Ukraine source (whether mainstream or alternative, I've no clue): http://tsn.ua/ato/nadpotuzhniy-vibuh-na-skladi-boyovikiv-sprichiniv-paniku-u-donecku-socmerezhi-407988.html

Google translation of the opening paragraphs from the above link:

On Sunday evening, February 8 militants occupied "DNR" thundered Donetsk heavy duty explosion.

Users of social networks write that the blast was heard not only in all regions of Donetsk, but even in Makeyevka and Gorlovka. In Kiev the slain windows in homes.

Leader "Right Sector" Dmitry Yarosh on his page on Facebook wrote that it broke warehouse equipment and weapons fighters - a consequence of falling aptly Ukrainian artillery.

"" Some time ago, worked perfectly for our arta accumulation of n-terrorist BM 21 BC and cars with them. For preliminary information destroyed 20 enemy "city", 30 cars with BC, about 200 terrorists. The explosion caused panic in Donetsk. Glory to the Ukrainian soldiers! "- Wrote Jarosz.

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I wonder how they get the news they are blacking something out in media.
Maybe they (the mainstream media) are just slow, though they did manage to report that Madonna flashed her undergarments at the Grammy award ceremony with adroit swiftness.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some more reports coming in:

Massive Donetsk Explosion Leaves Mushroom Cloud, 200+ Ukrainians Dead (Pontiac Tribune, Michigan USA) (http://pontiactribune.com/massive-donetsk-explosion-leaves-mushroom-cloud-200-ukrainians-dead/)
Kiev Forces Cause Explosion at Chemical Factory in Donetsk – Officials (UA Position, a Ukraine news media project) (http://uaposition.com/kiev-forces-cause-explosion-at-chemical-factory-in-donetsk-officials/)
Kiev Forces Cause Explosion at Chemical Factory in Donetsk – Officials (SputnikNews.com, an international news service of Rossiya Segodnya, which is an official Russian news agency) (http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150209/1017984234.html)
Powerful explosion occurs in Donetsk (Panorama.am, Armenian news agency) (http://www.panorama.am/en/popular/2015/02/09/donetsk-explosion/)
donetsk explosion (eksisozluk, Turkish news agency) (https://eksisozluk.com/entry/49039840)
Kiev last moment has used a massive bomb on Donetsk (Taringa.net, Spanish news agency) (http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/18478062/Ultimo-momento-Kiev-ha-usado-una-bomba-masiva-sobre-Donetsk.html)
Donetsk chemical plant exploded because of the artillery hit Ukraine (nguoiduatin.vn, Vietnamese news agency) (http://www.nguoiduatin.vn/nha-may-hoa-chat-o-donetsk-phat-no-vi-trung-phao-cua-ukraine-a174458.html)
Donetsk shake for ... explosive chemical plant (tin60s.info, another Vietnamese news agency) (http://tin60s.info/donetsk-rung-chuyen-vi-thuoc-no-nha-may-hoa-chat.html)

So, we have the Ukraine, Russia, Armenia, Turkey, Spain and Vietnam reporting in ... and one lone report from Pontiac, Michigan, USA.

I guess it's just the English speaking main stream news media that is slow on the uptake.

Here's hoping that whoever is the Editor of the Pontiac Tribune doesn't get too much heat for going off script on this one <grin>.

[Omni]

Some more reports coming in:

Massive Donetsk Explosion Leaves Mushroom Cloud, 200+ Ukrainians Dead (Pontiac Tribune, Michigan USA) (http://pontiactribune.com/massive-donetsk-explosion-leaves-mushroom-cloud-200-ukrainians-dead/)
Kiev Forces Cause Explosion at Chemical Factory in Donetsk – Officials (UA Position, a Ukraine news media project) (http://uaposition.com/kiev-forces-cause-explosion-at-chemical-factory-in-donetsk-officials/)
Kiev Forces Cause Explosion at Chemical Factory in Donetsk – Officials (SputnikNews.com, an international news service of Rossiya Segodnya, which is an official Russian news agency) (http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150209/1017984234.html)
Powerful explosion occurs in Donetsk (Panorama.am, Armenian news agency) (http://www.panorama.am/en/popular/2015/02/09/donetsk-explosion/)
donetsk explosion (eksisozluk, Turkish news agency) (https://eksisozluk.com/entry/49039840)
Kiev last moment has used a massive bomb on Donetsk (Taringa.net, Spanish news agency) (http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/18478062/Ultimo-momento-Kiev-ha-usado-una-bomba-masiva-sobre-Donetsk.html)
Donetsk chemical plant exploded because of the artillery hit Ukraine (nguoiduatin.vn, Vietnamese news agency) (http://www.nguoiduatin.vn/nha-may-hoa-chat-o-donetsk-phat-no-vi-trung-phao-cua-ukraine-a174458.html)
Donetsk shake for ... explosive chemical plant (tin60s.info, another Vietnamese news agency) (http://tin60s.info/donetsk-rung-chuyen-vi-thuoc-no-nha-may-hoa-chat.html)

So, we have the Ukraine, Russia, Armenia, Turkey, Spain and Vietnam reporting in ... and one lone report from Pontiac, Michigan, USA.

I guess it's just the English speaking main stream news media that is slow on the uptake.

Here's hoping that whoever is the Editor of the Pontiac Tribune doesn't get too much heat for going off script on this one <grin>.

Hey Paul, you seem to be a good researcher. Is there any way I could convince you to make a thread of tips and tricks for researching? Like for example how to get what you want out of search engines?

Do you feel you could do that well? I think it would be of value. If you don't want to, no pressure of course.

[Omni]

Zerohedge also has it: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/meanwhile-donetsk
Yes :).

That Zerohedge article has this image from space of the explosion:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/02/20150208_erdogan2.jpg
Dang - big badda boom!

Here is an identical picture from space claiming it is the sun:
https://twitter.com/weatherchannel/status/564582201082523650
http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd330/omnisense/ZeroHedge_Fake_pic.jpg

The plot thickens.... Why fake a picture of this?

[Omni]

RT finally reported it:
Huge explosion at Donetsk chemical plant, military ‘don’t know what they hit’
http://rt.com/news/230459-donetsk-explosion-ukraine-shelling/

Seems it is one of the worst case scenarios. A chemical plant... :(

[ThePythonicCow]

Zerohedge just lost credibility then. Here is an identical picture from space claiming it is the sun:Good catch :).

That Zerohedge article links that space image to a Russian article: Мегавзрыв в Донецке снял из космоса натовский спутник - Large explosion in Donetsk taken from space satellite (lentachpost2015.ru) (http://lentachpost2015.ru/megavzryv-v-donecke-snyal-iz-kosmosa-natovskij-sputnik/)

So ... blame the Russians for that misidentified image ... it's all their fault <grin>.

[ThePythonicCow]

Steve Quayle has a headline claiming that the bomb used today in Donetsk was the Russian equivalent of a MOAB.

The MOAB, for Mother Of All Bombs, is an American developed conventional (non-nuclear) of extreme power.

The Russian equivalent, called the Father Of All Bombs (FOAB), is purportedly even more powerful, vaporizing everything within a city block and with a very violent shock blast. This would match what was on that first video of this thread, which had a very violent shock blast even 2 or 3 miles away.

Steve Quayle's headline, presently listed on his site at http://www.stevequayle.com/, is "FLASHBACK -THIS WAS JUST USED IN DONETSK TONIGHT 2/8/15 ;Russian army 'tests the father of all bombs’ a vacuum device capable of emitting shockwaves as powerful as a nuclear weapon". It links directly to this 2007 report of Russia's FOAB: Russian army 'tests the father of all bombs' (UK Telegraph) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562936/Russian-army-tests-the-father-of-all-bombs.html).

Steve Quayle does have a penchant for dramatic headlines and claims, and I don't see what basis he has for claiming that today's Donetsk blast was caused by that Russian FOAB.

[ThePythonicCow]

... and I don't see what basis he has for claiming that today's Donetsk blast was caused by that Russian FOAB.
In particular, my expertise in such ordinance is not sufficient to tell a MOAB explosion from a FOAB explosion, from a single cell phone video taken 2 or 3 miles away.

I would not put it past the Anglo-American bastards to blow up a MOAB there, and then claim it was a Russian FOAB.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

On Paul's point about the sound anomaly: there are a few possible explanations. Firstly, the bang that coincides with the original flash may be the sound of a prior explosion not seen on camera. Or, similarly, if this explosion was of a thermobaric bomb (kind of a poor man's nuclear bomb, based on fuel dispersion and explosion with atmospheric oxygen), the first bang may be the fuel dispersion that occurs before the fuel is ignited, however I am not sure if Kiev possesses these weapons and if the timing is too large for that to make sense.

Your idea that it was a thermobaric type of bomb is very likely, I think.

Similar case: Oklahoma City Bombing. There were multiple blasts recorded on the seismographs and if I recall correctly, windows were shattered over a mile away from the blast site there. Also suggested to have been thermobaric by some researchers.

This explosion looks to have been a lot more powerful than what hit OKC. If there was a nuclear component to this I would not at all be surprised. We have no seen a full-out hot war between major powers since WW2, and that ended 70 years ago. A couple cold wars and trillions of dollars in military research funding (both overt and covert) and I would bet the Moon that the US and other nations already have nuclear weapons a couple of generations more advanced than what we dropped on Japan. I mean nuclear weapons that have no bottom limit on how small the blast size can be, leave little to no residual radiation and could fit into somebody's mailbox.


I'd also bet that Russia isn't just sitting around idly watching all this happen and twiddling its thumbs. The Russians are smart, and they probably have access on some level to all the same kinds of technologies that the US does. I'm convinced that on some level the US and Russian military developments have included mutual sharing of technology, and that this is ongoing. The gangster banking cartels trying to start WW3 seem to be at odds with the Pentagon at this juncture in history anyway.

[meeradas]

At least, someone didn't waste time after the "Security Conference" in Munich this weekend.
Most despicable.


Btw: So far, zero coverage of this in Germoney's state-run media outlets.

[ThePythonicCow]

... and I don't see what basis he has for claiming that today's Donetsk blast was caused by that Russian FOAB.
In particular, my expertise in such ordinance is not sufficient to tell a MOAB explosion from a FOAB explosion, from a single cell phone video taken 2 or 3 miles away.

I would not put it past the Anglo-American bastards to blow up a MOAB there, and then claim it was a Russian FOAB.
More likely, claim that it was a Russian tactical nuke. That's what the Alex Jones headline suggests: Video: Nuke Reportedly Detonates in Ukraine (http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-nuke-reportedly-detonates-in-ukraine.html). I'd trust Alex Jones to be spreading propaganda in such cases more quickly than I'd trust him to be getting to the core truth.

There is one new bit of information in that article: Russian media reports the epicenter of the explosion was in the Kuibyshev district of Donetsk, Ukraine, the site of the most intense fighting between rebels who want Eastern Ukraine to join Russia and the Western-backed Ukrainian government. He's quoting a Russian article (http://lentachpost2015.ru/megavzryv-v-donecke-snyal-iz-kosmosa-natovskij-sputnik/) that I linked above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79716-Huge-Explosion-in-Donetsk-the-Ukraine&p=931050&viewfull=1#post931050), but which I had not fully read (the Google translation of) before.

[cuitlahuac]

It's hard to believe someone is sitting back with their feet up thinking, "yep, this is a good idea."
Yet, those people exist, en masse. It's madness, it truly is madness. Just seeing one of these things go off outside of your window...

All this weapons to the nazis in Kiev is made possible by the US taxpayer. Some might even be siting back with their feet up saying: "Yep, cool video".

I am not proposing stop paying taxes. I am proposing abolishing the IRS.

[cuitlahuac]

At least, someone didn't waste time after the "Security Conference" in Munich this weekend.
Most despicable.


Btw: So far, zero coverage of this in Germoney's state-run media outlets.

The most rabid promoters of the war in Ukraine (with taxpayer's funds) are the dramatizing psychotics at Washington.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3IpnBL4x26o/TrYZGLMWmtI/AAAAAAAAEAg/BHbmYTWKTnM/s320/aliens-obama-petition.jpg



Earlier, Ukrainian far-right politician and paramilitary commander Dmitry Yarosh, who is involved in the Kiev military action in southeastern Ukraine, confirmed on his Facebook page that the explosion was caused by Ukrainian artillery.

Yarosh, who is wanted by Interpol on charges of inciting terrorism, was elected to the Rada in October 2014. He played a key role in the protests on Maidan (Kiev’s Independence Square), which led to the toppling of Viktor Yanukovich’s government earlier that year. Back in May, the Right Sector leader received less than 1 percent of the vote in Ukraine’s presidential election.

Meanwhile, the situation in southeastern Ukraine has been rapidly worsening since January 18, when Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held territories after an order from Kiev.

Shelling of the rebel-controlled towns has been witnessed on a daily basis, including the city of Donetsk, with both sides blaming each other for violence. Meanwhile, the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas by Kiev, at times with internationally-prohibited arms, has even been confirmed by the Ukrainian government’s strongest supporter – Washington.

http://rt.com/news/230459-donetsk-explosion-ukraine-shelling/

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Paul, you seem to be a good researcher. Is there any way I could convince you to make a thread of tips and tricks for researching? Like for example how to get what you want out of search engines?

Do you feel you could do that well? I think it would be of value. If you don't want to, no pressure of course.

Hmm ... my method ... retire from my day job so that I can spend all day online, and then find a website that needs an Admin (a task for which my previous 30 years of computer work prepared me well), and then spend the next four years (and counting) researching material for them :).

This might not be a method that is easy to duplicate <grin>.

[ThePythonicCow]

RT.com has a more complete write-up of this explosion, at Huge explosion at Donetsk chemical plant, military ‘don’t know what they hit’ (http://rt.com/news/230459-donetsk-explosion-ukraine-shelling/):

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Windows were shattered and homes shaken in Donetsk after a huge blast rocked the vicinity of a city chemical plant. A Ukrainian MP praised pro-Kiev forces for hitting a target – but said they “don’t know what they hit.”

The powerful explosion took place at 10:50pm local time on Sunday. Local militia reported that a military chemical plant DKZHI was the target of Kiev’s artillery shelling.

Windows were shattered and homes shaken in Donetsk after a huge blast rocked the vicinity of a city chemical plant. A Ukrainian MP praised pro-Kiev forces for hitting a target – but said they “don’t know what they hit.”

The powerful explosion took place at 10:50pm local time on Sunday. Local militia reported that a military chemical plant DKZHI was the target of Kiev’s artillery shelling.

Witnesses saw the sky lit up by the explosion, some nearby living residents had their windows broken by the blast’s shockwave and many others felt the ground shake, RIA Novosti reported. Even those living in nearby towns said they felt the tremor.

“The epicenter of the blast was near DKZHI,” co-chairman of the anti-Kiev People’s Front Konstantin Dolgov said on his Facebook page. The factory is known for producing chemical products used for industrial explosives, ammunition and equipment artillery bombs. This is not the first time the plant has been the target of a Kiev attack. It was also hit with artillery rockets in September and November.

The militia forces would not immediately confirm if there were casualties, either among militiamen or civilians. But they said the fire, which started after the explosion, poses no threat of a chemical spill, which is a cause of great concern at the plant, as it handles toxic compounds in producing explosives.

“The fire has been contained. There is not threat of chemical spill… Most likely it was a high-caliber artillery shell,” a local news outlet cited a military source as saying.

Ukrainian military deployed multiple rocket system Smerch (the BM-30 Tornado) to shell the area in the city, Boris Filatov, former deputy head of the industrial Dnepropetrovsk Region and a member of the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada), said on his Facebook page.

According to Filatov, the men who fired the missiles “do not know what they hit because they were shooting based on coordinates.”

Earlier, Ukrainian far-right politician and paramilitary commander Dmitry Yarosh, who is involved in the Kiev military action in southeastern Ukraine, confirmed on his Facebook page that the explosion was caused by Ukrainian artillery.

Yarosh, who is wanted by Interpol (http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/2014-16549) on charges of inciting terrorism, was elected to the Rada in October 2014. He played a key role in the protests on Maidan (Kiev’s Independence Square), which led to the toppling of Viktor Yanukovich’s government earlier that year. Back in May, the Right Sector leader received less than 1 percent of the vote in Ukraine’s presidential election.

Meanwhile, the situation in southeastern Ukraine has been rapidly worsening since January 18, when Ukrainian troops have launched a massive assault on militia-held territories after an order from Kiev.

Shelling of the rebel-controlled towns has been witnessed on a daily basis, including the city of Donetsk, with both sides blaming each other for violence. Meanwhile, the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas by Kiev, at times with internationally-prohibited arms, has even been confirmed by the Ukrainian government’s strongest supporter – Washington.

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[Snoweagle]

The plot thickens.... Why fake a picture of this?

A good researcher would take this picture and compare it with the thousands that exist on the internet or in the public domain and review the energy and light displacement afforded for each picture. A visually statistical examination. The review process would eventually narrow the group under examination as complimentary patterns dominate.

Personally, without investigation, (haven't time), that picture is indeed that of an explosion, a nuclear device (whether tactical or otherwise) and the space vehicle containing the camera was facing that direction to monitor the event as it was an expected event. Systemic planning.

[Snoweagle]

The below video is of the alleged missile strike event from several months ago.

THIS NOT ARTILLERY!
This is a scalar weapon.

Pause the video at 14secs - this will display the the point of ignition of several satelite cross beam energy discharges with the targeting catalytic satelite driving home the fused energy to create the fireball. This is the new age of warfare we see before us.

This is the same energy type discharge that slaughtered the Iragi army defending Baghdad airport in Gulf War II - the difference being then the target was biological matter, homo sapiens, and they were melted where they stood.

This weaponry is soon going to be used in Europe and North America primarily to quell the first line of resistance.

[Should you have other opinions then enjoy your ignorance.] For this I do apologise if it has caused offence.

[ThePythonicCow]

A good researcher would ...

Personally, without investigation, (haven't time), that picture is indeed ...
I recommend taking a little bit of time, next time :)


This is a scalar weapon.

Pause the video at 14secs - this will display the the point of ignition of several satelite cross beam energy discharges with the targeting catalytic satelite driving home the fused energy to create the fireball.

...
Should you have other opinions then enjoy your ignorance.

You deduce a remarkable amount from a few frames of low resolution video, subject to various distortions, especially in the case of sudden flashes of light :).

... and then you preempt respectful discussion by labeling dissent is ignorance.

all to respond to a video that is not that of the event this thread is discussing, but from a few months ago.

:focus:

[Snoweagle]

You deduce a remarkable amount from a few frames of low resolution video, subject to various distortions, especially in the case of sudden flashes of light :).

Yes I have "deduced" that from this snippet of imagery. No apology for that. I would strongly advise consideration that not all things coming from the sky are conventional weapons.
Whether yesterday or months ago, it appeared for my first viewing here, under a debate of consideration whether nukes were used in Donesk, which I concur is highly probable and highly likely. The fact another poster placed this scalar weapon (my strong opinion) snippet here indicates that they too are concerned at the types of armaments being used in this region. To seperate the discussion at this time over semantics of whether "I did or I did not" when this region is now a playground for the militaries to use their technical wizardry is somewhat negative.

I am banged up with frustration that people deny the free energy that abounds around us because they do not understand how it works and they "can't see it". Yet they love their remote technologies and they do not give a hoot of how it works except that is does. This same technology will be used against them and I mean soon because it's not on telly or their favourite blogger doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that people are looking in the wrong direction or the wrong place.

In fact all the evidence exists here in the archive to assist reviewers and researchers.

With you recommendation to take more time next time: Not on this occasion, as I had replied to another poster asking you how to be a good researcher and the discrepancies in perception in the post presented, provided enough comparitive evidence for consideration to be made to review his/her own post. There was no ill intent afforded by my recommendation.

[sigma6]

Why is it the ante has been upped to such a degree that we are being deluged with this crap every single day now! Are these bastards so in a timeline crunch that they have to accelerate their timeline, risking the sheep waking up?
The US Cabal backed Nazionist Government desperately needs a "Russian Attack" (as ludicrous as that must sound given their actions...) and hopefully before the US created busloads of counterfeit money they are circulating through the now colluding Nazionist Banking System are exposed (oh wait, it's already been exposed... oops!!)

Exposing the "the US Cabal" as the only party capable of backing such a high level Ukrainian Banking Scam, Nuland's only way out might be to Nuke the whole region in order to kill ALL the witnesses (for US economic security reasons... ) and maybe Nuke all the banks to destroy that evidence too... (... I think feel a plan coming together (A-Team music theme in the background...)

I can just hear them in the specially set up 'Sound Proofed, Faraday Caged, Damage Control Planning Room:

Nuland: "It's a long shot but if it will help maintain our cover... by golly, damn it, we at least have give it a try!!"... "If Albright was here, you know she'd say it would be worth it!" (O.o!)

Assitant: "But Ms. Nuland, what are we going to use as a cover story?"

Nuland: "Not to worry, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it!... now make it so!"



...the Nazi Kiev Government is going to implode

[DeDukshyn]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

You seem (to me) to be assuming that all nuclear blasts have a substantial EMP component to them.

I suspect that the variety of nuclear blast mechanisms that have been developed, and their associated effects, is greater than most of us realize.

This nuclear blast seemed fine recording(if it's real of course):
-s8iie0zZ-g


That one is CG. I am certain the explosion in the OP is not a nuke. It's pretty impressive though!

[Carmody]

Deleted as no one needs to be pondering these things. see below.

[Carmody]

whoops. I might be talking a generation ahead. my bad.

[ghostrider]

an ordinary blast is just that , the fireball , debris , cloud , can be an odd shape , the force can go any direction ... the blast in the video was a perfect circle , it had all the ear marks of an atomic explosion ... remember they have nuclear bombs that do not put off radiation , but everything else about it , is the same ... they split or collide two atoms together , fission or fusion , there is a fireball , a blast , a cloud , then the fireball goes out and the cloud rains down radioactive particles ... there are three types of burst , ground burst , air burst , sub-surface burst ... the point of fireball determines the type , this one if real , was a ground burst , the worst of the three ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

good eye Omni for catching this one ... you always seem to be in just the right place at just the right time ... we know why lol ... I consider you a friend in the know ...

[Carmody]

My deleted post would have explained it, but it also explained next-gen thermobarics, ie, mini-nuke in intensity... so I deleted it. A good explanation tells the how and the why, and giving folks engineerable ideas is probably not a good thing.

I was thinking about 8-9,000 meters a sec, might do the trick. And that is doable.

the other day i saw Elon Musk's offshore landing attempt and came up with the perfect solution, based on what i saw. Only to find out a few days later that his problem stemmed from unrelated aspects.

Too bad, I still solved his vertical platform landing problem. Permanently. I'll probably never get the chance to deliver the solution... as thinking people, even in those environments, can be seen as crackpots. And when you give them solution, even then they many times fail to understand and if they do understand... they create the solution anew in their minds... and throw you and your original works to to the ground as if you did not exist. Just my repeated experience in the world of inventiveness.

Just like I created the engineerable solution to nex-gen thermobarics in about 5 minutes, the same amount of time it took me to solve Elon's landing problem.

Show me a working UFO in person, or working alien technology and there is incredibly high odd I'll be able to tell you how it works in very short order.

edit: That sequence just earned me a black helicopter fly-by. I leaned into the window and waved.

Would you like fries with that?

[Sophocles]

Video of the crater:

ormPVQh-3fs


The crater is about 10m (30 ft) deep. It is located on the territory of a chemical factory, but it did not hit any of the main buildings. Whether there was any building at the actual location of the explosion is impossible to tell: the earth is black, all the trees scorched and there is nothing left at all. DNR experts estimate the blast as being the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. The sound of the explosion was heard 50km away. From the shape of the crater, it doe not appear to be a fuel-air explosive (FAE), but 1 ton of equivalent TNT is way bigger than the 500kg HE warhead the Tochka-U can carry. This leads me to believe that the Ukrainians might have used a new weapon or, at least, a modified one. All we know for sure is that it was not a nuclear device. Also, it makes me wonder what in the world they were trying to hit - maybe the chemicals factory, but if that it the case, then the missed by 1000m or so. At this point, I honestly don't know. I also want to remind everybody that the junta has used White Phosphorus again against its own population.

Link: Ukraine intermediate SITREP 1) The explosion in Donetsk (The Vineyard of the Saker) (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2015/02/ukraine-intermediate-sitrep.html)

[cuitlahuac]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

You seem (to me) to be assuming that all nuclear blasts have a substantial EMP component to them.

I suspect that the variety of nuclear blast mechanisms that have been developed, and their associated effects, is greater than most of us realize.

This nuclear blast seemed fine recording(if it's real of course):
-s8iie0zZ-g

Yes. The EMP didn't seem to disable the recording. But we have to take into account that the first videos of nuclear bombs were done with mechanical film projectors. In the case of this bomb we would have to know what kind of recording device was used. If it was a mechanical one, then the electrical power of it would have been affected, but as far as I understand, the military electronic equipment are built to somehow withstand this effects.

[cuitlahuac]

Why is it the ante has been upped to such a degree that we are being deluged with this crap every single day now! Are these bastards so in a timeline crunch that they have to accelerate their timeline, risking the sheep waking up?
The US Cabal backed Nazionist Government desperately needs a "Russian Attack" (as ludicrous as that must sound given their actions...) and hopefully before the US created busloads of counterfeit money they are circulating through the now colluding Nazionist Banking System are exposed (oh wait, it's already been exposed... oops!!)

Exposing the "the US Cabal" as the only party capable of backing such a high level Ukrainian Banking Scam, Nuland's only way out might be to Nuke the whole region in order to kill ALL the witnesses (for US economic security reasons... ) and maybe Nuke all the banks to destroy that evidence too... (... I think feel a plan coming together (A-Team music theme in the background...)

I can just hear them in the specially set up 'Sound Proofed, Faraday Caged, Damage Control Planning Room:

Nuland: "It's a long shot but if it will help maintain our cover... by golly, damn it, we at least have give it a try!!"... "If Albright was here, you know she'd say it would be worth it!" (O.o!)

Assitant: "But Ms. Nuland, what are we going to use as a cover story?"

Nuland: "Not to worry, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it!... now make it so!"



...the Nazi Kiev Government is going to implode

NULAND: "**** up the cover story".

[cuitlahuac]

an ordinary blast is just that , the fireball , debris , cloud , can be an odd shape , the force can go any direction ... the blast in the video was a perfect circle , it had all the ear marks of an atomic explosion ... remember they have nuclear bombs that do not put off radiation , but everything else about it , is the same ... they split or collide two atoms together , fission or fusion , there is a fireball , a blast , a cloud , then the fireball goes out and the cloud rains down radioactive particles ... there are three types of burst , ground burst , air burst , sub-surface burst ... the point of fireball determines the type , this one if real , was a ground burst , the worst of the three ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

good eye Omni for catching this one ... you always seem to be in just the right place at just the right time ... we know why lol ... I consider you a friend in the know ...

Could you explain your statement of "nuks that do not put off radiation"?

[cuitlahuac]

Video of the crater:

ormPVQh-3fs


The crater is about 10m (30 ft) deep. It is located on the territory of a chemical factory, but it did not hit any of the main buildings. Whether there was any building at the actual location of the explosion is impossible to tell: the earth is black, all the trees scorched and there is nothing left at all. DNR experts estimate the blast as being the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. The sound of the explosion was heard 50km away. From the shape of the crater, it doe not appear to be a fuel-air explosive (FAE), but 1 ton of equivalent TNT is way bigger than the 500kg HE warhead the Tochka-U can carry. This leads me to believe that the Ukrainians might have used a new weapon or, at least, a modified one. All we know for sure is that it was not a nuclear device. Also, it makes me wonder what in the world they were trying to hit - maybe the chemicals factory, but if that it the case, then the missed by 1000m or so. At this point, I honestly don't know. I also want to remind everybody that the junta has used White Phosphorus again against its own population.

Link: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/

So... the US taxpayer funded nazis in Kiev are probably devising their own missiles?

With the killing of civilian pro russian population by the Kiev Junta, who would not be in "war mode"?

[cuitlahuac]

If Stewart Swerdlow and Captain Mark Richards are to be believed there is a ongoing struggle between various alien races supporting various large governments. These politics often involve infighting, and often the desire to terminate or alter the terms of the relationship.

According to Bill Robertson, the founder of Scientology Freezone in Germany, the planet is under 2 decrees. One forbidding the use of nuclear, genetic and biochemical war on Earth. The other decree is forbidding off planet ET intervention in politics. So, according to Robertson, there was to be infighting between ET forces located in the planet loyal to their off planet government agendas.

The Grays were to manipulate the US, and the marcabians (whomever they might be) were to manipulate Europe.

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_s9_toc.htm

[Tangri]

Seems no news outlets are covering this.
Since Donetsk is in the Ukraine, not in Russia, I just changed the title of this thread from:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk Russia
to:


Huge Explosion in Donetsk, the Ukraine
The sound of the explosion on the first Youtube video posted, in Post #1 of this thread, occurs simultaneously with the visible explosion, which doesn't "sound right" to me. There should be a delay, proportional to the distance between the explosion and the observer, equal to about 5 seconds per mile (the speed of sound in the atmosphere.) One of the later posted videos has this delay, so I don't know what's going on here.

.

I believe there was previous explosion's light which caused the recorders search, when he was looking for location for light exposure, he witnessed the last and bigger one.
It's(last one's)sound and shock way arrived simultaneously later.

Logic, sometime help us

[Tangri]

Video of the crater:

ormPVQh-3fs


The crater is about 10m (30 ft) deep. It is located on the territory of a chemical factory, but it did not hit any of the main buildings. Whether there was any building at the actual location of the explosion is impossible to tell: the earth is black, all the trees scorched and there is nothing left at all. DNR experts estimate the blast as being the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. The sound of the explosion was heard 50km away. From the shape of the crater, it doe not appear to be a fuel-air explosive (FAE), but 1 ton of equivalent TNT is way bigger than the 500kg HE warhead the Tochka-U can carry. This leads me to believe that the Ukrainians might have used a new weapon or, at least, a modified one. All we know for sure is that it was not a nuclear device. Also, it makes me wonder what in the world they were trying to hit - maybe the chemicals factory, but if that it the case, then the missed by 1000m or so. At this point, I honestly don't know. I also want to remind everybody that the junta has used White Phosphorus again against its own population.

Link: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/

I think Ukrainian firefighters smart as American Ebola respond's team, they are searching chemical factory debris without any precaution protection.

[DeDukshyn]

Its not nuclear, since in the original post, you would not be able to record past the flash. Remember, electricity travels at the speed of light - so the EMP pulse would have disabled the camera at or about the time of the flash. And the entire region in fact.

You seem (to me) to be assuming that all nuclear blasts have a substantial EMP component to them.

I suspect that the variety of nuclear blast mechanisms that have been developed, and their associated effects, is greater than most of us realize.

This nuclear blast seemed fine recording(if it's real of course):
-s8iie0zZ-g

Yes. The EMP didn't seem to disable the recording. But we have to take into account that the first videos of nuclear bombs were done with mechanical film projectors. In the case of this bomb we would have to know what kind of recording device was used. If it was a mechanical one, then the electrical power of it would have been affected, but as far as I understand, the military electronic equipment are built to somehow withstand this effects.

Err. Seriously ... this is 100% computer generated. Thus there were no cameras, and no radiation ...
For one of the actual rare clips of the Tsar Bomba, go to 3:40 of this video:
4rElV_w_DPQ

[Octavusprime]

I find it funny that Kiev has said this was caused by a cigarette at the chemical plant. The plant is used to make gun powder... Like they wouldn't be intentionally shelling this plant as part of their war strategy...

http://rt.com/news/230459-donetsk-explosion-ukraine-shelling/

[Aspen]

In Benjamin Fulford's Feb. 9 article he states this blast was a munitions factory and that it was designed by the Nazi Zionists to try to start WWIII but that it will fail. He seemed to imply that it may have been a nuclear missile, but a smaller one????

[ThePythonicCow]

The crater is about 10m (30 ft) deep. ...
Link: Ukraine intermediate SITREP 1) The explosion in Donetsk (The Vineyard of the Saker) (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2015/02/ukraine-intermediate-sitrep.html)

Dang - that takes some serious explosive power.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sometime, quite a few hours ago now, the Saker posted this brief initial status of this explosion on his website: Explosion in Donetsk (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2015/02/explosion-in-donetsk.html):

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I am getting lots of emails asking me about the explosion in Donetsk. All my sources agree that this is not nuclear. Possibly a Tochka-U missile hitting a chemical and ammunition plant. More details tomorrow.
===========

Currently, the Saker is the source I trust the most, of those I read, on such matters.

[ghostrider]

an ordinary blast is just that , the fireball , debris , cloud , can be an odd shape , the force can go any direction ... the blast in the video was a perfect circle , it had all the ear marks of an atomic explosion ... remember they have nuclear bombs that do not put off radiation , but everything else about it , is the same ... they split or collide two atoms together , fission or fusion , there is a fireball , a blast , a cloud , then the fireball goes out and the cloud rains down radioactive particles ... there are three types of burst , ground burst , air burst , sub-surface burst ... the point of fireball determines the type , this one if real , was a ground burst , the worst of the three ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

good eye Omni for catching this one ... you always seem to be in just the right place at just the right time ... we know why lol ... I consider you a friend in the know ...

Could you explain your statement of "nuks that do not put off radiation"?
they have nuclear bombs that have the blast and the shockwave and the fireball but , the core doesn't go nuclear and radiate the debris pulled into ground zero ... it's a bomb without the deadly radiation after affect ...

[cuitlahuac]

an ordinary blast is just that , the fireball , debris , cloud , can be an odd shape , the force can go any direction ... the blast in the video was a perfect circle , it had all the ear marks of an atomic explosion ... remember they have nuclear bombs that do not put off radiation , but everything else about it , is the same ... they split or collide two atoms together , fission or fusion , there is a fireball , a blast , a cloud , then the fireball goes out and the cloud rains down radioactive particles ... there are three types of burst , ground burst , air burst , sub-surface burst ... the point of fireball determines the type , this one if real , was a ground burst , the worst of the three ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

good eye Omni for catching this one ... you always seem to be in just the right place at just the right time ... we know why lol ... I consider you a friend in the know ...

Could you explain your statement of "nuks that do not put off radiation"?
they have nuclear bombs that have the blast and the shockwave and the fireball but , the core doesn't go nuclear and radiate the debris pulled into ground zero ... it's a bomb without the deadly radiation after affect ...

Thanks for the answer. Would you have links to the "mechanism" for that?

[ghostrider]

an ordinary blast is just that , the fireball , debris , cloud , can be an odd shape , the force can go any direction ... the blast in the video was a perfect circle , it had all the ear marks of an atomic explosion ... remember they have nuclear bombs that do not put off radiation , but everything else about it , is the same ... they split or collide two atoms together , fission or fusion , there is a fireball , a blast , a cloud , then the fireball goes out and the cloud rains down radioactive particles ... there are three types of burst , ground burst , air burst , sub-surface burst ... the point of fireball determines the type , this one if real , was a ground burst , the worst of the three ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

good eye Omni for catching this one ... you always seem to be in just the right place at just the right time ... we know why lol ... I consider you a friend in the know ...

Could you explain your statement of "nuks that do not put off radiation"?
they have nuclear bombs that have the blast and the shockwave and the fireball but , the core doesn't go nuclear and radiate the debris pulled into ground zero ... it's a bomb without the deadly radiation after affect ...

Thanks for the answer. Would you have links to the "mechanism" for that?

I learned it in 1987 in trade school , I'm sure there are tons of links to break it down for you ... my training is straight from TM manuals from the Army , a secret security clearance is needed in some areas , but these days with what our leaders have done , it doesn't bother me to breach my agreement with them ...

[justntime2learn]

Someone claiming to be "Ashtar" of the "Galactic Federation of Light" is making some extraordinary claims. At 5 min 30 sec mark a claim is made that a 600,000 square foot storage facility holding weapons was hit by them. Is it possible that the Donetsk, Ukraine explosion was hit by "The Federation"?

kXZZmoyKngU

[cuitlahuac]

As far as I know, there is a Galactic Confederacy that is the ruling body of this galaxy, just as there is a ruling management in Andromeda. But this Galactic Federation of Light, might be a design to deceive people and join something else instead. An operation described as "parallel vector" maneuver. I think hijacking a plane to force negotiations, and speak for the passengers, saying that they want the best for mankind, is kind of naive.

As far las I know, the plane was very probably taken to a UK military base in Diego García, the UK wantanamo in the very middle of the Pacific ocean. This might also be a step to a staged ET invasion, in this case, an ET operation to force mankind to join a particular kind of ET faction. The US and UK most probably have UFO fleets and they would be staging all this.

As regard the Hollow Earth, I don't know about that.

There is also a person who first claimed to be Ashtar, in the early 80's, but this is not the kind of language he would use. The other Ashtar that appeared in the early 80's used a lot of Biblical references and Biblical kind of language. I would say this Galactic Federation of Light is a CIA kind of manipulation using probably UFOs of the US undisclosed fleet.

As far as I know, the real Galactic Confederacy uses people being born on Earth to carry out missions.

[Nick Matkin]

Zerohedge also has it: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/meanwhile-donetsk
Yes :).

That Zerohedge article has this image from space of the explosion:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/02/20150208_erdogan2.jpg
Dang - big badda boom!

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I think we can rest assured that this is not any type of nuclear explosion, but just a picture of a sunrise from space. An almost identical image dated 13 Dec 2013 below.

Not onbly would an EMP have been widely detected (even a weak one), but the radiation would soon be picked up too.

Nick

[Carmody]

My deleted post would have explained it, but it also explained next-gen thermobarics, ie, mini-nuke in intensity... so I deleted it. A good explanation tells the how and the why, and giving folks engineerable ideas is probably not a good thing.

I was thinking about 8-9,000 meters a sec, might do the trick. And that is doable.

the other day i saw Elon Musk's offshore landing attempt and came up with the perfect solution, based on what i saw. Only to find out a few days later that his problem stemmed from unrelated aspects.

Too bad, I still solved his vertical platform landing problem. Permanently. I'll probably never get the chance to deliver the solution... as thinking people, even in those environments, can be seen as crackpots. And when you give them solution, even then they many times fail to understand and if they do understand... they create the solution anew in their minds... and throw you and your original works to to the ground as if you did not exist. Just my repeated experience in the world of inventiveness.

Just like I created the engineerable solution to nex-gen thermobarics in about 5 minutes, the same amount of time it took me to solve Elon's landing problem.

Show me a working UFO in person, or working alien technology and there is incredibly high odd I'll be able to tell you how it works in very short order.

edit: That sequence just earned me a black helicopter fly-by. I leaned into the window and waved.

Would you like fries with that?

Buckybomb shows potential power of nanoscale explosives (http://phys.org/news/2015-03-buckybomb-potential-power-nanoscale-explosives.html)

Imagine tactical weapons with the power of a small nuke, in blast radius and released energy. It's about how fast the explosion can move, how fast the blast wave is.

Free toy inside! Guilt free! Less fat! No calories! No radiation!


Although this reaction requires an initial heat input to get going, once it's going it releases an enormous amount of heat for its size. Within the first picosecond, the temperature increases from 1000 to 2500 K. But at this point the molecule is unstable, so additional reactions over the next 50 picoseconds raise the temperature to 4000 K. At this temperature, the pressure can reach as high as 1200 MPa (more than 10,000 times normal atmospheric pressure), depending on the density of the material.

Chemically speaking, the scientists explain that the heat energy comes from the high density of covalent energy stored by the carbon-carbon bonds in the C60. Because the NO2 groups initiate the reaction, adding more NO2 groups increases the amount of energy released during the explosion. Choosing an appropriate number of these groups, as well as changing the compound concentration, provide ways to control the explosion strength.

The researchers predict that this quick release of chemical energy will provide exciting opportunities for the design of new high-energy nanomaterials.

This is, of course, a double sided coin.

The other side of the coin is power modules, like LENR devices, as in Rossi's E-Cat and so on.

[Morbid]

You know I wish they would quit it for just a few minutes with the fear mongering and false flags. Can't we get a few days off from this sh!t?

Why is it the ante has been upped to such a degree that we are being deluged with this crap every single day now! Are these bastards so in a timeline crunch that they have to accelerate their timeline, risking the sheep waking up?

You'd think planet X was emerging from behind the sun and we are due for a pole shift real soon, and all the rats are jumping ship and buying property is south America and fueling up their private jets, while military equipment and personnel are being dispatched at a record pace and the dumbs are being stocked with provisions, the way they're acting.

geez, what the hell is up?

we probably have to experience this so the future generation ahead knows the costs of making such mistakes. us though, are most likely will become a damned generation.