Wikileaks - Iraq

[Micjer]

Very graphic. May be disturbing to some viewers.


5rXPrfnU3G0

To the guys in the helicoptors this is just a video game to them. Can we shoot? Can we shoot?

To the innocent journalists on the street it was no video game. Little wonder there is so much hatred toward the US army. I hope justice pervails.

:(

[Vidya Moksha]

i posted this yesterday in the video section, but no matter.. my reply here is to say that this video just hit the main BBC news site :eek: what does that tell us?

[Micjer]

Sorry I did a search but nothing came up. The site is so slow at times it is hard to log on at times to keep up to posts.

This is in msm in Canada also. I do hope justice prevails as it is sickening to see the innocent attacked, especially the children. What is worse is the lack of caring of the soldiers even after the assault. Driving over the dead body was a nice touch.

[Vidya Moksha]

No worries, many more people viwed it in this main section anyway, quite telling that most spiritual seekers cant even be bothered to look deeper into a forum like this, most responses are from the 'latest; posts viewed on the right hand side

[MargueriteBee]

When this was first posted I viewed it in Youtube and there were 439 views, now there are almost 2,8000,000 views.

[sunnyrap]

It is shocking to the extreme what the military people have been made inured to. Even sadder is that material like this is inflaming to the extreme and can add even more damage to an already bad situation by putting the watchers in the same pit with the participants. IMO, best response is to pray for the swift release of all victims, pray that the soldiers be given a profound realization of what they are agreeing to + participating in and intend that a true shift in consciousness occur within and around them. I've seen applied intention make huge changes. Better that than creating great tidal waves of anger towards a military that has already been badly manipulated and mislead. May be hard to see from material like this, but they have been victimized as well.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Disturbing.

He dose not know how the little girl in the van was injured!!!

He can not understand that they used massive fire power from a helicopter to kill people!!!

These children/soldiers are completely brainwashed!!!

Into murdering other humans!!! and destroying earth!!!

Not to mention the entire false flag operation that got them there!!!

And the extraterrestrial cover up that goes with that story!!!

THIS IS A PURE DISGRACE TO HUMANITY!!!

PEACE NOW! JT!

[SteveX]

SNIPPED
I do hope justice prevails as it is sickening to see the innocent attacked, especially the children. What is worse is the lack of caring of the soldiers even after the assault. Driving over the dead body was a nice touch.

This was from 2007. They cleared everyone of all charges. :confused:

Clearly the people in the van were un-armed and trying to help the wounded guy. That for me was trigger-happy murder.

As for the initial group.... they had an RPG. For me that’s good cause to shoot and if you’re a reporter standing with a guy with an RPG expect to be considered a combatant. How’s anyone to know.

Had they not fired and the reporter got some photos of an RPG or RPG shell IED attack with possible US casualties, would it be fair to charge the reporter for being complicit by not warning the US troops?

The van though....Jesus. That was just insane.

[Vidya Moksha]

[QUOTE=SteveX;7346
As for the initial group.... they had an RPG. For me that’s good cause to shoot and if you’re a reporter standing with a guy with an RPG expect to be considered a combatant. How’s anyone to know.

.[/QUOTE]

i believe the rpg was a telephoto lens on the camera, they were unarmed.

[Micjer]

The msm talk show I listened to yesterday said it turned out to be only a camera also.

The awful thing about this is that this happened to be on video and was leaked out so we all could see reality of this, but how many more cases like this have gone on with no video? I am sure that there has been many more incidents of innocent civilians murdered that is being kept under wraps.

It is important for this to get out so the veil can be lifted. These soldiers may be brainwashed, but perhaps this may wake up others to what is going on over there.

[Jenny]

It is not happenig overthere...

It happens when boys are trained at home..with wargames..virtual.
They are taught to dissociate from whatever they do or see.

When in real life combat they have the " right" attitude.

They commit warcrimes without hesitation.

[avid]

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/39297/

Comcast can now legally shut down downloads
By: marinara Tuesday April 6, 2010 12:04 pm
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Yesterday was a big day for independent media. We saw the release of gun camera footage, which showed how US troops killed an Iraqi journalist after mistaking a camera for an assault weapon.

Today was a big day for the mainstream media, as the US Court of appeals dissolved some FCC internet regulations protecting peer to peer networking.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1U2jZF/www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/04/fcc_net_neutrality_ruling.html?ft=1&f=103943429/r:t
and

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/net-neutrality-us-court-r_n_526972.html

Is it just a coincidence that yesterday’s leak on P2P preceded today’s legal loss for P2P users? Of course not.

Let’s look at the legal decision.
The particular problem for Comcast is that Bittorrent users were using the network. That is, they were filling up the tubes with stuff that made comcast no money at all. Comcast then shut off the downloads (secretly, they wouldn’t admit to it) Later on, users petitioned the FCC to stop Comcast from shutting down peer to peer networking, in particular, bittorrent downloads. Today’s Court ruling by the US court of appeals says that the FCC has no authority to regulate Comcast in these instances. A big loss for anyone who wants to download peer to peer. Like Wikileaks users.

Incredible!:(

[Micjer]

That is incredible, but really not surprising.

I wonder can the rest of the world watch, while not allowed in the US? i.e. censorship

[Thunderbird]

question is: who released it and WHY?

if I wanted to incite rebllion and give a pretext for militarizing under Northcom I would want to piss the people off enough to get them to do something stupid....or justify a false flag.

word is, these videos were leaked from the pentagon.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bloody awful ... what is the world coming to?? Let her rip!!!!

viking

[tron]

watching this makes me realize that with the right manipulation this could be US citizens killing US citizens.

if firearms are made illegal through martial law and your holding one (or a camera) then you (and your family apparently) are a target.
as for me im ready to die weaponless with arms open in refusal to fight back.
i feel this is the way out of this lifetime loop.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a370/demetristars/AnimatedNUKE300x400.gif

I WISH PEACE FOR YOU ALL.

[Swami]

Wikileaks may not be what you think it is...


Please note that I am only speculating here based on my recent personal experience.

I have some material that I may be interested in having published, and made public at some point. After seeing the successful publishing of the recent Iraq video I thought this could be an opportunity I hadn't considered.

I can't discus that material now, so please don't ask.

Using s secure computer at a secure location I used this contact/submission form...

secure.wikileaks.org...

I sent two files, a very brief edited video, and a text file.

Almost immediately the computer I was using froze up, and after giving up was forced to shut down.

Then I began to wonder, the recent video release, everything we know about wikileaks... And what we don't know.

What if this is all a scam to get people who may have sensitive or secret information to send it in?

They couldn't have set a better trap, if that is the case.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread559051/pg1

[Swami]

:wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:

[Majorion]

Not at all surprising friends.

It is a reflection of the fact; the U.S are not even meant to be there, or in Afghanistan either.

[Micjer]

Interesting post Swami. Maybe people should register all of their weapons at the same time. Questioning everything is good.

How else could it have been released if it wasn't from the pentagon. It was a military video, not from a reporter or civillian.

hmmmm,

[SteveX]

i believe the rpg was a telephoto lens on the camera, they were unarmed.

My mistake then. I was going off what the ground troop said when he stated a body is laying on a RPG.

I hope they have fine-tuned the rules for this type of engagement. Such an awful ego fuelled waist of life.

[5thElement]

MSM coverage of this:
"Washington – The US military has been warily watching for several years the group that released on Monday a graphic video showing a US helicopter apparently killing two Iraqi journalists from Reuters in a Baghdad suburb in 2007."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100406/ts_csm/292877

"We're looking at a reinvestigation because of a question of the rules of engagement. Were all the actions that are depicted on that video in parallel with the rules of engagement in effect at the time?" the military official said."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100407/ts_nm/us_iraq_usa_journalists

Two from Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/235995
http://www.newsweek.com/id/235937

"But the tables were turned on Monday, when WikiLeaks posted a video that showed the U.S. military in a less favorable light."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1978017,00.html#ixzz0kRxcX6bW

5th

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1978017,00.html

[5thElement]

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double post

[Swami]

Whistleblowers on US ‘massacre’ fear CIA stalkers


Activists behind a website dedicated to revealing secret documents have complained of harassment by police and intelligence services as they prepare to release a video showing an American attack in which 97 civilians were killed in Afghanistan.

Julian Assange, one of the founders of Wikileaks, has claimed that a restaurant where the group met in Reykjavic, the capital of Iceland, came under surveillance in March and one of the group’s volunteers was detained for 21 hours by police.

Assange, an Australian, says he was followed on a flight from Reykjavik to Copenhagen by two American agents. The group has riled governments by publishing documents leaked by whistleblowers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7094234.ece

[lisa]

Thanks Swami, wonder why they let this spread on the main media...

[Samarkis]

I am posting this site here as I feel it VERY important to give this group time to blossom before putting out at open discussions at Avalon.....

I am very pleased these whistleblowers are coming forward to strengthen other soldiers to start the road to healing their humanity.....

Pls put other similar groups or projects here at this thread....We lightworkers should know as many resources as possible....

http://contagiousloveexperiment.wordpress.com/

[Gita]

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US Soldier Ordered to Leave Children Behind

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20101/pirhayati20100409052536670.jpg

'A US soldier who tried to help injured Iraqi civilians after a US apache strike says his superior ordered him not to tend to the injured children on the scene. Ethan McCord, a US infantry soldier, was one of the six troopers who were dispatched to the scene after the apache helicopters killed a dozen people, including two Reuters staff, in Baghdad.

"When I came on the scene I saw the bodies, I could hear a child crying, so the crying was coming from the van so I immediately went up to the van and when I looked inside I saw a girl who's about three years of age, she had a belly wound, and glass in her eyes and in her hair," McCord told Press TV in an exclusive interview on Sunday. "The team leader who was standing there told me I needed to stop worrying about these mother****ing kids," said McCord, a father of two.'

Read more: US Soldier Ordered to Leave Children Behind (http://www.presstv.ir/)


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Source (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines)

[irishspirit]

WikiLeaks has announced an important release on its Twitter account, claiming it’ll be seven times bigger than the Iraq war logs, which are widely considered to be the biggest military leak in history.

“Next release is 7x the size of the Iraq War Logs. intense pressure over it for months. Keep us strong” was the message posted to the Wikileaks Twitter account earlier today.

The message was followed by an even bolder statement two hours later: “The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined.”

http://mashable.com/2010/11/22/wikileaks-release/

If this is to redefine Global History, what they got? UFO/ET disclosure?

I cannot wait to see this one.

Irish

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http://twitter.com/WikiLeaks

wikileaks twitters account.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it isn't UFO, just more on the Iraq War


Nov 23: The whistle-blowing website 'Wikileaks' has announced that it would release a third set of war logs that would be seven times bigger...

[truth will win out]

I doubt it... Maybe the release of docs in the run up to the Iraq War... Maybe 9-11 stuff.

[onawah]

Or maybe enough on 911 to finally get the truth out there for all to see...

[truth will win out]

He does say that “The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined". So it may be more than just Iraq or Afghanistan Documents... Maybe he is just hyping it up.

[norman]

maybe he's conducting his defense and selecting his jury via twitter.

[truth will win out]

I will say this, they (TPB) are after him.. He may have a short run on this earth, but the man is leaving his mark.. Interpol I do believe is looking for him, he may just have a accident before anything else comes out.

[Roofie]

Hopefully Julian has the common sense to pass the info on to a few others in case TPTB do get a hold of him. Could be a good bargaining chip upon his eventual capture.
I just hope that more people choose to put there bodies on the line to further sheer the wool from the eyes of the sheep....

[jcocks]

I had a dream a while ago, where I was in an educational facility. I noticed a hole in the floor below where there was a leaking tap. I then looked away, looked back, and there were two holes in the floor, now larger, and the tap was pretty much running full-pelt. I bought this to the attention of one of the workers there, who told me to fill a WIKI out for it....

The dream was telling me to watch wikileaks... I believe what he has to release next will be very big, we have to make sure he is kept safe so he can release it...

I believe it is VERY IMPORTANT for the world, what he releases next may very well redefine our history.

Pray for his safety everyone, we have to make sure he gets to release the material he has stored up. He is doing important work for humanity.

[fifi]

Sweden orders arrest of WikiLeaks founder

(CNN) -- The Stockholm Criminal Court on Thursday issued an international arrest warrant for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on probable cause, saying he is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force.

The court also ordered Assange arrested in his absence, which requires Swedish authorities anywhere in the world to detain Assange if they come across him. Sweden's director of prosecutions, Marianne Ny, had requested the arrest in absence.

Read more at
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/18/sweden.wikileaks.assange/index.html

[jcocks]

that was on the 18th....

No doubt that is a set-up. If he were to be picked up by law enforcement, no doubt arrangements would be made for him to die in custody under "mysterious circumstances"...

[Harley]

Absolutely correct jcocks, in that that's their OLD SOP. But their system is broke now and they're beginning to struggle keeping the lid on.

Sure he could still have an "Automobile Accident" or "Commit Suicide", but I don't think so. Not now. Because they already know that his info has already been distributed for release.

The best they could do for themselves now is arrest him and shut down his website, but that definitely isn't going to stop the disclosure.

Yep...Broken

...................

After I made this post I went to check the Wikileaks site. It is down. Hmm

[Bill Ryan]

Sweden orders arrest of WikiLeaks founder

(CNN) -- The Stockholm Criminal Court on Thursday issued an international arrest warrant for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on probable cause, saying he is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force.

Read more at
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/11/18/sweden.wikileaks.assange/index.html

This is part of a new strategy to criminalize and/or discredit the more dangerous main players in the alternative media. Others are likely to follow.

The charges sound at first glance highly unlikely, intentionally discreditable, and purposefully the kind of headlines that are memorable and are easily blogged and twittered round the world.

ANYONE could be asked by the police of any country to "answer charges" or "help authorities with their enquiries". That includes people like David Icke, Alex Jones, and yours truly. And look at what happened to Jane Burgermeister in Austria (which she fought her way out of).

Even if it's invented or opportunitistlcally exaggerated nonsense, the mud is intended to stick and smell bad.

I've been told that this is the thin end of a wedge that is coming. Whatever you hear in the mainstream media about dangerous truthseekers or alternative journalists, take it with large pinches of salt - and see through the strategy.

[bluestflame]

they just want to get some alone time with him

[bluestflame]

but there IS a drive to get ammunition to close down whistleblower sites , hence the prolific seeding of whistleblower sites with disinfo , and particularly utilising the facebook networking capabality to spread link like wildfire ( always cautious of anything posted with tags such as " make viral , " , hurry hurry" etc. , like another 20 minutes reading through watching or sifting and allowing things to sit for a bit to get a feel for the info presented is gunna save the world )


they do seem to be triggering the competitive nature of many to be "first" to share "new" info ....then it seems to become a race

[42]

US reaction to WikiLeaks upcoming release...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101124/world/us_wikileaks

[TigaHawk]

Perhaps, the country should have thought about the hostile actions they took against said countries they're now trying to state are their friends - then they would have nothing to worry about!

[Metaphor]

This is part of a new strategy to criminalize and/or discredit the more dangerous main players in the alternative media. Others are likely to follow.

The charges sound at first glance highly unlikely, intentionally discreditable, and purposefully the kind of headlines that are memorable and are easily blogged and twittered round the world.

ANYONE could be asked by the police of any country to "answer charges" or "help authorities with their enquiries". That includes people like David Icke, Alex Jones, and yours truly. And look at what happened to Jane Burgermeister in Austria (which she fought her way out of).

Even if it's invented or opportunitistlcally exaggerated nonsense, the mud is intended to stick and smell bad.

I've been told that this is the thin end of a wedge that is coming. Whatever you hear in the mainstream media about dangerous truthseekers or alternative journalists, take it with large pinches of salt - and see through the strategy.

You are very right there Bill. I am swedish, and there is something rotten in the kingdom of Sweden. The elites puppets here are on the move like never before. Our site, swedens biggest "alternative news-site", vaken.se has been under attack for some time now by msm-puppets aiming to discredit the site. Truthseekers and alternative people are almost being treated like lepers in most msm-coverages. This of course is not the standpoint of the people. But there is something covert and sinister going on in this country, one can just smell it.

As for this arrest and allegations on mr Assange, well let me just say I am embarrased to be swedish right now. We all are.

[ponda]

US reaction to WikiLeaks upcoming release...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101124/world/us_wikileaks


That's a good find 42 and well worth a read.It appears that the establishment is getting worried.

Some quotes from the article....

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration said Wednesday it has alerted Congress and begun notifying foreign governments that the WikiLeaks website is preparing to release sensitive U.S. diplomatic files that could damage U.S. relations with friends and allies across the globe.

Officials said the documents may contain everything from accounts of compromising conversations with political dissidents and friendly politicians to disclosures of activities that could result in the expulsion of U.S. diplomats from foreign postings.

Some of the documents may provide specifics of meetings U.S. diplomats have had with opposition leaders, dissidents or human rights activists in various countries that could expose them to retaliation, particularly in authoritarian nations, officials said.

[Teakai]

I will say this, they (TPB) are after him.. He may have a short run on this earth, but the man is leaving his mark.. Interpol I do believe is looking for him, he may just have a accident before anything else comes out.

Well, it doesn't seem particulalry smart to make a big announcement that he's going to put it up- why doesn't he just put it up? Then it's done and out there. :suspicious:

[ponda]

Well, it doesn't seem particulalry smart to make a big announcement that he's going to put it up- why doesn't he just put it up? Then it's done and out there. :suspicious:

From WikiLeaks perspective it might be interesting to see and to gauge the establishments reaction after it is announced that another release is on its way.If the report that 42 posted for us is true then the establishment has reacted with some panic.

[fifi]

Maybe Julian keeps some top-secret info for insurance. If they harm him, these will be published world-wide. I really feel concerned for Julian when reading the news on CNN. They had tried to charge him before, then backed out. Now they tried again. He is really brave. Not many people would put their own lives in danger to uphold the truth like him. I hope he gets some protection.

[Teakai]

Maybe Julian keeps some top-secret info for insurance. If they harm him, these will be published world-wide. I really feel concerned for Julian when reading the news on CNN. They had tried to charge him before, then backed out. Now they tried again. He is really brave. Not many people would put their own lives in danger to uphold the truth like him. I hope he gets some protection.

I think he's really brave, too - but, in regard to holding back for insurance - at what stage does the information he gives out become too much for the 'ptb'? What is it that would break the camels back?
Whatever he's holding for insurance must be pretty damning.

My feeling is that his name is being used, but I'm not sure how the whole wikilieaks thing works - I only wonder why last time the info would go to the government first, rather than to the people?
My take - because it was the government pretending to be J.A - or wikilekas.

And I wonder if it really would take intelligence this long to find someone - if they were really looking for them.

The plot stinkens.
:)

[Carmody]

Well, it doesn't seem particulalry smart to make a big announcement that he's going to put it up- why doesn't he just put it up? Then it's done and out there. :suspicious:

"When you have to shoot... shoot, don't talk." -Tuco .... in 'The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly'



Maybe Julian keeps some top-secret info for insurance. If they harm him, these will be published world-wide. I really feel concerned for Julian when reading the news on CNN. They had tried to charge him before, then backed out. Now they tried again. He is really brave. Not many people would put their own lives in danger to uphold the truth like him. I hope he gets some protection.


Actually, more people than you would think do put their own lives in danger, it's just that you don't get to know.

Many times it is safer for them if you and the world don't know anything about it.

[ponda]

I think he's really brave, too - but, in regard to holding back for insurance - at what stage does the information he gives out become too much for the 'ptb'? What is it that would break the camels back?
Whatever he's holding for insurance must be pretty damning.

My feeling is that his name is being used, but I'm not sure how the whole wikilieaks thing works - I only wonder why last time the info would go to the government first, rather than to the people?
My take - because it was the government pretending to be J.A - or wikilekas.

And I wonder if it really would take intelligence this long to find someone - if they were really looking for them.

The plot stinkens.
:)


They are trying to preempt the release.The establishment is doing damage control by trying to get in first before the announcement.What if the announcement has nothing to do with what they suspect it has ? It's cat and mouse.

[RedeZra]

You are very right there Bill. I am swedish, and there is something rotten in the kingdom of Sweden. The elites puppets here are on the move like never before.

the Globelites have their puppets in power positions all over Europe

[Snowbird]

On the lighter side.......

Cartoon - Julian Assange

http://yubanet.com/cartoon/Julian-Assange---WikiLeaks---AGAIN.php

[Harley]

That's a good find 42 and well worth a read.It appears that the establishment is getting worried.

Some quotes from the article....

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration said Wednesday it has alerted Congress and begun notifying foreign governments that the WikiLeaks website is preparing to release sensitive U.S. diplomatic files that could damage U.S. relations with friends and allies across the globe.

Officials said the documents may contain everything from accounts of compromising conversations with political dissidents and friendly politicians to disclosures of activities that could result in the expulsion of U.S. diplomats from foreign postings.

Some of the documents may provide specifics of meetings U.S. diplomats have had with opposition leaders, dissidents or human rights activists in various countries that could expose them to retaliation, particularly in authoritarian nations, officials said.

I really hate to play the guessing game, but something isn't adding up here to me.

I can see where the release of documents such as the gov and the media describe could/would be damaging to U.S. foreign relations, but is this REALLY it?

From WikiLeaks Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/wikileaks) Announcements:

Next release is 7x the size of the Iraq War Logs. intense pressure over it for months. Keep us strong
And:

The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined. Keep us strong
So my question is: Could info such as described in the article above really change GLOBAL HISTORY? Not much I would think.

What could change GLOBAL HISTORY? Well if you take the WikiLeaks announcement literally, how about Archaeology or maybe Anthropology?

Something to ponder I should think.

[ponda]

Harley

We will have to wait and see what the info might be but it sounds very interesting to say the least.

As far as changing global history goes it might be one step at a time.They (wiki) sound confident so they must have some info with substance.

[Harley]

Harley

We will have to wait and see what the info might be but it sounds very interesting to say the least.

As far as changing global history goes it might be one step at a time.They (wiki) sound confident so they must have some info with substance.
Absolutely! If they were to release info along these lines, that would redefine world history, then they would have to be massive. And they did say just that . . . over the coming months!

Thanks ponda!

[Teakai]

So my question is: Could info such as described in the article above really change GLOBAL HISTORY? Not much I would think.

What could change GLOBAL HISTORY? Well if you take the WikiLeaks announcement literally, how about Archaeology or maybe Anthropology?Something to ponder I should think.

If it was something along those lines, Harley, I would definitely think wikileaks is giving out false info.


cut and pasted from:http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
Hoaxed "Discoveries'
What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood.

[Harley]

If it was something along those lines, Harley, I would definitely think wikileaks is giving out false info.


cut and pasted from:http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
Hoaxed "Discoveries'
What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood.

No. First of all, I said these were possibilities. Because I doubt seriously that classified secret war documents would rewrite the history of the world. And second of all, anything Wikileaks releases will be totally believable because they only release classified (as-in hidden from the public) and vetted documents and material.

[jackovesk]

UPDATE:

Canberra on alert for WikiLeaks

AUSTRALIAN officials are bracing for a massive leak of classified US State Department cables.
These cables could include embarrassing disclosures about Canberra's secret diplomacy on controversial issues, such as the war in Iraq.

The Gillard government was one of several foreign governments put on notice about the leaks, expected to be released within days by whistleblower group WikiLeaks.

So seriously is the issue being taken that several sources told The Australian it was raised during a phone call yesterday morning between Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to discuss the crisis on the Korean peninsula.

It is understood the Department of Foreign Affairs and other agencies in Canberra, including the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, met to discuss the leaks, which a senior Australian government official said had prompted a "strong measure of concern".

"The whole thing is pretty big," the official said.

The latest tranche of classified documents could comprise more than two million diplomatic cables sent between the State Department and its posts around the world.

Australian government agencies are bracing for the worst, "in part because we simply don't know just how bad it might be", the Australian official said.

The disclosure would be the third major leak by WikiLeaks.

The organisation released 77,000 documents on Afghanistan in July, followed by a second leak of 400,000 files on the Iraq war.

WikiLeaks has said the pending disclosure will be seven times the size of the Iraq leak, about 2.8 million documents.

A second source told The Australian senior officials inside the Defence Department were concerned some cables could refer to the Howard government's support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The Australian has been told the leaked cables include material sent up until February this year and predate the Iraq war.

This raises the possibility the Rudd government could also be exposed.

The Howard government did not commit Australia to war until March 2003, following a request from then US president George W. Bush.

But speculation has long been swirling that the Howard government had privately signed on to the controversial war well in advance of the formal request - a charge flatly denied by former foreign minister Alexander Downer. He condemned WikiLeaks yesterday for leaking the documents, while at the same time playing down their significance: "Do I think these particular documents would be incriminating or damning? I think the answer to that is no."

The Howard government predeployed forces to the Middle East in advance of committing to the war, but said that was just sensible contingency planning should diplomatic efforts to ease the impasse with Saddam Hussein fail.

Australian officials are also said to be on the lookout for documents discussing Canberra's handling of the David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib cases, both of whom claimed they were mistreated while in US custody in Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/canberra-on-alert-for-wikileaks/story-fn59niix-1225961141585

I hope they NAIL THESE BA$TARDS to the Wall if Guilty..! Scumbag UN Globalist Kevin Rudd, Fabian Socialist Julia Gillard, Freemason John Howard, Alexander Downer, etc. The WHOLE BLOOY LOT OF THEM..!

I can't wait to see the Fallout, and I hope it brings down the UNELECTED Fabian Socialist Labor Govt!

My guess none of these crooks will be sleeping very well for a few nights and possibly long after Wikileaks releases the dirt!

[Snowbird]

Well, it doesn't seem particulalry smart to make a big announcement that he's going to put it up- why doesn't he just put it up? Then it's done and out there. :suspicious:

Teakai, I thought that too, until I sat and worked it through my mind. By announcing it, they prepare hundreds of millions of people around the world to look for it and read it. When I googled Julian Assange wikileaks November 24, 2010, it showed almost half a million hits.

If they did not announce it prior to posting, the government(s) would silently swoop in and close down the site(s) before people even knew of the existence of the information. I would think that they would have more than one site ready to post this....who knows.

[Moemers]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/25/AR2010112502746.html


U.S. embassies around the world are warning allies that WikiLeaks might be poised to release classified cables that could negatively impact relations by revealing sensitive assessments and exposing U.S. sources, a State Department spokesman said Thursday.

The State Department has prepared for the possible release - which WikiLeaks has said would be seven times larger than the Iraq files released last month - by reviewing thousands of diplomatic cables and "assessing the potential consequences of the public release of these documents," spokesman P.J. Crowley said.

Crowley said State does not know "exactly what WikiLeaks has or what they plan to do," but the consequences to American interests could be severe. The cables, for instance, could reveal that senior government officials in other countries are the sources of embarrassing information about the inner workings of those governments, thus making it more difficult for the State Department to obtain such intelligence in the future.

"Without getting into specifics, typical cables describe summaries of meetings, analysis of events in other countries and records of confidential conversations with officials of other governments and with members of civil society," Crowley said. "They are classified for a very good reason. They contain sensitive information and reveal sources of information that impact our national interests and those of other countries."

Crowley added that "the lives of people who provide us valuable information and perspective are being put at risk. They help us understand what is happening around the world and inform our policies and actions."

WikiLeaks has bedeviled the Obama administration with a series of damaging revelations about U.S. policy overseas. In July, it released more than 70,000 military reports on the war in Afghanistan and in October nearly 400,000 reports on the Iraq war. "Next release is 7 [times] the size of the Iraq War Logs," WikiLeaks stated in a posting on its Twitter page Nov. 21.

WikiLeaks has not disclosed the source of the materials. But suspicion has centered on Pfc. Bradley Manning, 22, an Army intelligence analyst whom the military arrested this year, charging him with the downloading and transfer of classified material.

In the past, WikiLeaks has provided a small group of news organizations with an advance peek at the information, with an understanding that their reports would be released simultaneously at a pre-agreed time. The Washington Post has never been part of such an arrangement with WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks was founded in 2006 by a former computer hacker, Julian Assange. The organization has been under stress in recent months, with several members quitting, citing differences with Assange and the direction of the group. Assange is facing allegations in Sweden of rape and sexual harassment, which he has denied, saying the charges are part of a U.S.-orchestrated smear campaign.

The cables could also show that allies sometimes take private actions that directly contradict publicly declared policies. The London-based daily al-Hayat reported that WikiLeaks is planning to release files that show Turkey has helped al-Qaeda in Iraq - and that the United States has helped the PKK, a Kurdish rebel organization. The documents reportedly suggest that the U.S. has supported the PKK, which has been waging a separatist war against Turkey since 1984 and has been classified by the State Department as a terrorist organization since 1979.

News reports from around the globe indicate that foreign governments are bracing for the impact of the revelations.

U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson has already phoned Minister of Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon to inform him of the matter, the Foreign Affairs department told the Canadian Press. Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Melissa Lantsman said the Canadian Embassy in Washington is "currently engaging" with the U.S. State Department on the matter.

In Australia, the Department of Foreign Affairs and other agencies in Canberra, including the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, met to discuss the leaks, which a senior Australian government official said had prompted a "strong measure of concern," according to the Australian newspaper. "The whole thing is pretty big," the official said.

"We condemn what WikiLeaks is doing," Crowley said. "Its actions are gratuitous, harm relations among countries and erode the trust that enables governments to cooperate and collaborate and work together to resolve regional and global challenges. Little good will come from what WikiLeaks has indicated it plans to do."

[Teakai]

UPDATE:

Canberra on alert for WikiLeaks

AUSTRALIAN officials are bracing for a massive leak of classified US State Department cables.
These cables could include embarrassing disclosures about Canberra's secret diplomacy on controversial issues, such as the war in Iraq.

The Gillard government was one of several foreign governments put on notice about the leaks, expected to be released within days by whistleblower group WikiLeaks.

So seriously is the issue being taken that several sources told The Australian it was raised during a phone call yesterday morning between Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to discuss the crisis on the Korean peninsula.

It is understood the Department of Foreign Affairs and other agencies in Canberra, including the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, met to discuss the leaks, which a senior Australian government official said had prompted a "strong measure of concern".

"The whole thing is pretty big," the official said.

The latest tranche of classified documents could comprise more than two million diplomatic cables sent between the State Department and its posts around the world.

Australian government agencies are bracing for the worst, "in part because we simply don't know just how bad it might be", the Australian official said.

The disclosure would be the third major leak by WikiLeaks.

The organisation released 77,000 documents on Afghanistan in July, followed by a second leak of 400,000 files on the Iraq war.

WikiLeaks has said the pending disclosure will be seven times the size of the Iraq leak, about 2.8 million documents.

A second source told The Australian senior officials inside the Defence Department were concerned some cables could refer to the Howard government's support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The Australian has been told the leaked cables include material sent up until February this year and predate the Iraq war.

This raises the possibility the Rudd government could also be exposed.

The Howard government did not commit Australia to war until March 2003, following a request from then US president George W. Bush.

But speculation has long been swirling that the Howard government had privately signed on to the controversial war well in advance of the formal request - a charge flatly denied by former foreign minister Alexander Downer. He condemned WikiLeaks yesterday for leaking the documents, while at the same time playing down their significance: "Do I think these particular documents would be incriminating or damning? I think the answer to that is no."

The Howard government predeployed forces to the Middle East in advance of committing to the war, but said that was just sensible contingency planning should diplomatic efforts to ease the impasse with Saddam Hussein fail.

Australian officials are also said to be on the lookout for documents discussing Canberra's handling of the David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib cases, both of whom claimed they were mistreated while in US custody in Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/canberra-on-alert-for-wikileaks/story-fn59niix-1225961141585

I hope they NAIL THESE BA$TARDS to the Wall if Guilty..! Scumbag UN Globalist Kevin Rudd, Fabian Socialist Julia Gillard, Freemason John Howard, Alexander Downer, etc. The WHOLE BLOOY LOT OF THEM..!

I can't wait to see the Fallout, and I hope it brings down the UNELECTED Fabian Socialist Labor Govt!

My guess none of these crooks will be sleeping very well for a few nights and possibly long after Wikileaks releases the dirt!

This is really bringing conspiracy into the mainstream, isn't it?
I've alwasy considered wikileaks to be alternative media. It seems strange for the mainstream to be drawing so much attention to it.
There are going to be people who get curious and check out wikileaks and then wake up.
I wonder if it is the 'ptb' losing control.
or
This is about giving the public a really good reason about why the internet needs censoring.

I wonder what he's waiting for. If he's doing deals with the 'ptb', then....

[Teakai]

Teakai, I thought that too, until I sat and worked it through my mind. By announcing it, they prepare hundreds of millions of people around the world to look for it and read it. When I googled Julian Assange wikileaks November 24, 2010, it showed almost half a million hits.

If they did not announce it prior to posting, the government(s) would silently swoop in and close down the site(s) before people even knew of the existence of the information. I would think that they would have more than one site ready to post this....who knows.

Oh yeah - and there's that, Snowbird :)

But then, alternative media sites share information in the blink of an eye. It could be up for 10 minutes and within an hour it would have spread like wildfire all over the internet.
This seems to be a rather long wait from announcement to getting the info out and I wonder why.
To build anticipation seems a bit P.R.ish.
It seems to me, once you announce that you're going to drop a bomb shell (that may well jeopardise your life - and you fully intend to drop that bombshell - you drop it while you can - you don't give anyone or anything the chance to scr*w that up.
:suspicious:

[norman]

........... about why the internet needs censoring.

I wonder what he's waiting for. If he's doing deals with the 'ptb', then....




Whoever is "LEAKING" this stuff is where the action probably is..... I think Wikileaks is, at best, being used to blow out the truth movement. I'm not sure about Julian himself yet but I'm pretty sure Wikileaks is going to wreck the truth movement if it goes on like this. His impending arrest isn't going to fool me otherwise. Julian is now, even if he wasn't earlier, a disposable patsy.


What's the betting that they will soon "leak" the 'granit missile' version of the 9/11 pentagon event? All this stuff they are feeding us, through a rapidly reaching meltdown temperature wikileaks, isn't really going to blow a lid off the secrets they are NOT willing to share, like errr... Solar Warden, the Giza excavations etc.... naaaaa... all it's doing is perpetuating the war on terror scam in a slightly novel new way that they also hope will severely nobble the truth movement/alternative news world.

[angel in disguise]

I've seen so many MSM articles such as this one in the past couple days... http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=26501955

Starting to make me go hmm... Seems odd that they would make this so public if they are really afraid of the release. Also noticed that Julian mentions it will change the world's view as Cliff High mentions the same thing in his webbot report. Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm... ??? Something is fishy about it all don't you think?

[ponda]

The governments seem to be running scared and are in panic mode and there hasn't even been a release of information yet only an announcement of one.They have already virtually admitted that some of them have been conducting illegal and criminal acts in their own and foreign countries.This isn't news to many people but it could be big news to the majority of the public and could involve huge ramifications for many politicians and others.If what the governments are worried about in this next release is true then it certainly might change the way a large proportion of the public views their governments.

[Hughe]

Whoever is "LEAKING" this stuff is where the action probably is..... I think Wikileaks is, at best, being used to blow out the truth movement. I'm not sure about Julian himself yet but I'm pretty sure Wikileaks is going to wreck the truth movement if it goes on like this. His impending arrest isn't going to fool me otherwise. Julian is now, even if he wasn't earlier, a disposable patsy.


What's the betting that they will soon "leak" the 'granit missile' version of the 9/11 pentagon event? All this stuff they are feeding us, through a rapidly reaching meltdown temperature wikileaks, isn't really going to blow a lid off the secrets they are NOT willing to share, like errr... Solar Warden, the Giza excavations etc.... naaaaa... all it's doing is perpetuating the war on terror scam in a slightly novel new way that they also hope will severely nobble the truth movement/alternative news world.

The local newspaper here made a main article about the Wikileaks today.
I personally will download the whole data from Wikileaks when they release it.
Only the truth will help us to fight against the governments.
I wonder how the U.S government have been keeping all the documents which inevitably cut their own throat.
I mean most corrupted regime usually destroy whole documents for evading or getting away their crimes in modern history.
Maybe there are hidden forces which TPTB can not control?
It's interesting to watch these whole disclosure movement in various areas on Internet.



The governments seem to be running scared and are in panic mode and there hasn't even been a release of information yet only an announcement of one.They have already virtually admitted that some of them have been conducting illegal and criminal acts in their own and foreign countries.This isn't news to many people but it could be big news to the majority of the public and could involve huge ramifications for many politicians and others.If what the governments are worried about in this next release is true then it certainly might change the way a large proportion of the public views their governments.


How about the 9/11 which triggered whole mess in the first place? The U.S government deliberately destroyed physical evidences, killed many witnesses, still ignoring the mounting demands of reinvestigation and evidences.



Starting to make me go hmm... Seems odd that they would make this so public if they are really afraid of the release. Also noticed that Julian mentions it will change the world's view as Cliff High mentions the same thing in his webbot report. Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm... ??? Something is fishy about it all don't you think?

Gary McKinnon has been fighting against British and U.S government for extradite since 2002.
Whatever it was Gary found in NASA and Pentagon , U.S government want to bring him in U.S, put him in jail over 60 years for keeping his mouth shut forever with ridiculous damage claims.

They do not want to reveal the evidences which tells who they really are. Period.

I pray for all the brave souls. The history will be rewritten.

[Rozzy]

This Wikileaks thing is a fraud, phony as a three dollar bill, HS could shut it down in in a heart beat, notice how they are doing absolutely nothing? I am not sure what the game is but I am not expending any time or energy on that trail.

[norman]

Only the truth will help us to fight against the governments.
I wonder how the U.S government have been keeping all the documents which inevitably cut their own throat.
I mean most corrupted regime usually destroy whole documents for evading or getting away their crimes in modern history.
Maybe there are hidden forces which TPTB can not control?



There's a bigger game plan going on than just governmental secrecy. In the final endgame behind all these shinanigans is a tick box with 'Take down National Governments' printed next to it. Wilileaks is chipping away at the organizational structures of both the alternative news/truth movement AND National governments. 2 birds with one stone.

[irishspirit]

With these documents, I just hope and pray that there is nothing within this to reflect on China. This could be huge. If there is leaks in the regarding China, I will go back to asking questions about wilileaks.com, for this would just be to on that spot, given what is going on out there just now.

[Sabrina]

Possible document Release from Monday
28 Nov
The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that the first tranche of documents, to be
published in full tomorrow after an initial release tonight, are expected to
feature "lively commentaries" by US diplomats on world leaders, including Nelson
Mandela, Robert Mugabe, the Zimbabwean president, Hamid Karzai, the president of
Afghanistan, and Libya's Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya.
Coalition sources say Tuesday's haul will deal with North and South Korea, as
well as Guantánamo Bay, while Wednesday's tranche will include comments on
Pakistan and counter-piracy operations in Djibouti.
Thursday will see attention focus on the Canadians and their "inferiority
complex" while corruption allegations in Afghanistan will be under the spotlight
on Friday. Saturday will cover Yemen while next Sunday will see the focus shift
to China.
P J Crowley, the US State Department spokesman, said "We are all bracing for
what may be coming and condemn Wikileaks for the release of classified material
It will place lives and interests at risk. It is irresponsible.
"When this confidence is betrayed and ends up on the front pages of newspapers
or lead stories on television or radio, it has an impact," he said.
The State Department "has known all along" that Wikileaks possesses classified
documents, but it was not possible to predict exactly what information would be
made public and what impact it would make, he said.
"We wish this would not happen, but we are obviously prepared for the
possibility that it will," he added.

full article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8165041/Embarrassment-for-Coalition-as-Wikileaks-prepares-to-release-secret-US-papers.html

[Sabrina]

British government issues D notices to UK editors re: wikileaks....


http://www.techeye.net/internet/wikileaks-claims-d-notice-issued-to-uk-press-over-leaks

[irishspirit]

If I remember right, this is due to be released this morning T 10:59 UK TIME?

[Sabrina]

Info. on Wikileaks issuing 'insurance' file here on Colin Andrews' site.

http://www.colinandrews.net/WikiLeaks2.html

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Info. on Wikileaks issuing 'insurance' file here at bottom on Colin Andrews' site.

http://www.colinandrews.net/WikiLeaks2.html

[Sabrina]

If I remember right, this is due to be released this morning T 10:59 UK TIME?

Must be about right, has gone out:

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=19167

[Sabrina]

The D-Notice system is about to meet the reality of the internet in the twenty-first century...(Guido Fawkes)

From: Andrew Vallance
Sent: Fri 26/11/2010 12:42

To: Sunday Telegraph; Ian Martin; Sunday Telegraph; Channel Five; Caroline Wyatt; C4 News Desk; Sun; Kevin Brown; Sunday Mail; Mail on Sunday; Five TV; Associated Press TV; William Lewis; Tim Marshall; Press Gazette; Allister Heath; Jonathan Collett; Daily Telegraph; Daily Record; Evening Standard; Daily Star; Independent on Sunday; Observer; Foresight News; Daily Express; Sunday Times; Financial Times; Associated Press; Times; Spark FM; chris wissun; Sunday Mirror; Sunday Herald; News of the World; Tom Newton-Dunn; Stephen Abell; Scotsman; Press Association; BFBS Will Inglis; Will Gore; Mark Birdsall; Guardian; Daily Mail; Daily Mirror; People; Foresight News; Telegraph Legal; Glenmore Trenear-Harvey; Sunday Post; Reuters; ITV News Desk; Independent; Evening Times; Jonathan Grun; Glasgow Herald; Five TV

Subject: DA Notice Letter of Advice to All UK Editors – Further Wikileaks Disclosures

To All Editors

Impending Further National Security Disclosures by Wikileaks

I understand that Wikileaks will very shortly release a further mass of US official documents onto its internet website. The full scope of the subject matter covered by these documents remains to be seen, but it is possible that some of them may contain information that falls within the UK’s Defence Advisory Notice code. Given the large number of documents thought to be involved, it is unlikely that sensitive UK national security information within these documents would be recognised by a casual browser. However, aspects of national security might be put at risk if a major UK media news outlet brought such information into obvious public prominence through its general publication or broadcast.

Therefore, may I ask you to seek my advice before publishing or broadcasting any information drawn from these latest Wikileaks’ disclosures which might be covered by the five standing DA Notices. In particular, would you carefully consider information that might be judged to fall within the terms of DA Notice 1 (UK Military Operations, Plans and Capabilities) and DA Notice 5 (UK Intelligence Services and Special Forces). May I also ask you to bear in mind the potential consequential effects of disclosing information which would put at risk the safety and security of Britons working or living in volatile regions where such publicity might trigger violent local reactions, for example Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan?

As always, I am available 24/7 to offer DA Notice guidance…

Yours Sincerely,

Andrew Vallance

Air Vice-Marshal
Secretary, Defence Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee

[norman]

thanks Sabrina,

for a better look at the area of his greatest concern:




......DA Notices. In particular, would you carefully consider information that might be judged to fall within the terms of DA Notice 1 (UK Military Operations, Plans and Capabilities) and DA Notice 5 (UK Intelligence Services and Special Forces)........



With all this 'collateral' damage being voiced up by all the appropriate officers and gentlemen and such a media countdown, you really do have to wonder what the main attraction is going to be.

Is this a dummy run for the next time or are they going 'shock' us now with their newest super scam?

Since that Daniel Estulin interview a few days ago I've been having visions of them dropping a LEAKED new "truth" about 9/11 on us.

[truthseekerdan]

One of the newspapers working with Wikileaks confirmed Sunday that it planned to publish details of the whistle-blower website's latest release of confidential documents in its Monday edition.

Simon Hoggart, a journalist from The Guardian told the BBC that the publication would be an "embarrassment" for the British prime minister, among other world leaders.

Hoggart was thought to be referring to the British newspaper's printed edition, although online versions of the story could appear as soon as Sunday.

A message on Der Spiegel's website suggests a simultaneous release will come at 4.30pm ET. The German weekly, which has seen the documents, advises readers that its online edition for week 48 will appear exceptionally online at 22:30 local time Sunday.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/wikileaks_release_set_for_next_few_TspC4P6fu8dozMQba2CdwJ

[irishspirit]

We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks

as you may know, wikeleaks is down. Above is the reason why!!! Something HUGE IS COMING.

[irishspirit]

Whistle-blowing website Wikileaks says it is under attack from a computer-hacking operation, ahead of a release of secret US documents.

"We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack," it says on its Twitter feed.

It adds that several newspapers will go ahead and publish the documents released to them by Wikileaks even if the site goes down

The US state department has said the release will put many lives at risk.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has said the US authorities are afraid of being held to account.

Wikileaks has said the release of classified messages sent by US embassies will be bigger than past releases on Afghanistan and Iraq.

The newspapers set to publish details of the US embassy cables include Spain's El Pais, France's Le Monde, Germany's Speigel, the UK's Guardian and the New York Times

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858637

[Malcolm Linus]

Wikileaks.org (http://wikileaks.org/) is apparently under a mass distributed denial of service attack. Source: Wikileak's twitter page (http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8920530488926208). This is not really surprising news, as the planned release involves many governments, China included. There have been suspicions that the Chinese government has done this kind of thing before. Unfortunately I can not give a source on this statement, but I remember having read it somewhere.

In my opinion, the attack will be short-lived.

Post-update: I can now access the Wikileaks site. Short-lived indeed...
Post-update 2: It seems I misunderstood their message. The site has not actually gone down from this attack yet. The servers are still able to handle all the requests.

[norman]

What a waste of trees, printing out all those scripts for this choreographic extravaganza. Whatever happened to Presidential speeches from the Whitehouse lawn?

Oh!...I know!..... they forced hah google to hand over the lists of the most popular search terms, under the Bush admin'. That told them the massive scale of disbelief and the mushrooming growth of dot-joing and case building against them. To them that was simply a case of getting out on the streets and picking up the language the people were using so they could string a few paragraphs of their own together with it.

RESULT!: Here come the few paragraphs.

errr.... Yea...... yer-rite.....the gov' is a bunch of corrupt liers and if you really want to know what's going on you've got to check out all the stuff they 'don't want you to know about'....... like.....errrrr..... yerno.......leaks and stuff......yea...that's it LEAKS! WICKID!

[irishspirit]

Wikileaks: US referred to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as 'Hitler'

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is referred to as "Hitler" while President Nicolas Sarkozy of France is called a "naked emperor" in US documents released by Wikilieaks on Sunday.

Pages from the German newspaper Der Spiegel were leaked early, before a mass publication of thousands of secret cables by the whiste-blowing website.

The documents also say that North Korean leader Kim Jong -il suffers from epilepsy, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddhafi's full-time nurse is a "hot blond".

The German Chancellor is referred to as Angela "Teflon" Merkel and Afghan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia", the documents claim.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/8166248/Wikileaks-US-referred-to-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-as-Hitler.html

[irishspirit]

Secret American intelligence assessments have concluded that Iran has obtained a cache of advanced missiles, based on a Russian design, that are much more powerful than anything Washington has publicly conceded that Tehran has in its arsenal, diplomatic cables show.

Iran obtained 19 of the missiles from North Korea, according to a cable dated Feb. 24 of this year. The cable is a detailed, highly classified account of a meeting between top Russian officials and an American delegation led by Vann H. Van Diepen, an official with the State Department’s nonproliferation division who, as a national intelligence officer several years ago, played a crucial role in the 2007 assessment of Iran’s nuclear capacity.

The missiles could for the first time give Iran the capacity to strike at capitals in Western Europe or at Moscow, and American officials warned that their advanced propulsion could speed Iran’s development of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html?_r=1

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Interesting to see the two big enemy's of America being link in such a way, considering all that is going on now in Korea and all the hype surrounding Iran.

[irishspirit]

The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables - many of which are designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.

• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.

• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.

The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from serious political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.

http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/

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Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.

A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.

It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.

http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/

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King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme, according to leaked US diplomatic cables that describe how other Arab allies have secretly agitated for military action against Tehran.

The revelations, in secret memos from US embassies across the Middle East, expose behind-the-scenes pressures in the scramble to contain the Islamic Republic, which the US, Arab states and Israel suspect is close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has hitherto been viewed as a desperate last resort that could ignite a far wider war.

The Saudi king was recorded as having "frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons programme", one cable stated. "He told you [Americans] to cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir said, according to a report on Abdullah's meeting with the US general David Petraeus in April 2008.

http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/

That is surprising. When you consider the fact that Isreal is the front man of this.

[norman]

Would it be a called a DOS attack even if it was really just a huge lot of people trying to log on after all the hype?

[truthseekerdan]

The Obama administration has told whistleblower WikiLeaks that its expected imminent release of classified State Department cables will put “countless” lives at risk, threaten global counterterrorism operations and jeopardize U.S. relations with its allies.

In a highly unusual step reflecting the administration’s grave concerns about the ramifications of the move, the State Department late Saturday released a letter from its top lawyer to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and his attorney telling them that publication of the documents would be illegal and demanding that they stop it.

Read more: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/u-s-begs-wikileaks-to-halt-document-release/

[irishspirit]

Whistle-blowing website Wikileaks has released 250,000 secret messages sent by US embassies which give an insight into current American global concerns.

They include reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

Other concerns include the security of Pakistani nuclear material that could be used to make an atomic weapon.

The widespread use of hacking by the Chinese government is also reported.

The leaked US embassy cables also reportedly include accounts of:

* Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles
* Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip
* Bargaining to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison camp - including Slovenian diplomats being told to take in a freed prisoner if they wanted to secure a meeting with President Barack Obama
* US officials being instructed to spy on the UN's leadership
* The very close relationship between Russian PM Vladimir Putin and his Italian counterpart Silvio Berlusconi
* Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime
* Criticism of UK politicians including Prime Minister David Cameron
* Faltering US attempts to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858895

[irishspirit]

A 2009 American government cable released Sunday by the WikiLeaks website quotes Defense Minister Ehud Barak as telling visiting American officials that a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities was viable until the end of 2010, but after that "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage."

The whistle-blowing website obtained some 250,000 diplomatic cables between the U.S. and its allies, which Washington had urged the site not to publish.But by Sunday evening Israel time, major news organizations around the world had released a significant amount of documents touching on subjects ranging from Iran's nuclear aspirations, to espionage at the United Nations and even the behavior of the British monarchy.

The June 2009 cable also quotes Barak as describing the Iranian leadership as "chess, not backgammon players," with a U.S. diplomat quoting the defense minister as saying Tehran would "attempt to avoid any hook to hang accusations on, and look to Pakistan and North Korea as models to emulate in terms of acquiring nuclear weapons while defying the international community."

Meanwhile, another cable shows that a 2009 claim by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Iran was months away from achieving military nuclear capability was dismissed by the Americans as a ploy.

According to German weekly Der Spiegel, which also received advance information from WIkiLeaks, a State Department official says in a classified cable that Netanyahu informed the United States of Iran's nuclear advancement in November 2009, but that the prime minister's estimate was likely unfounded and intended to pressure Washington into action against the Islamic Republic.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-expose-barak-warned-strike-on-iran-was-viable-until-end-of-2010-1.327453

[witchy1]

I found this mirror site - hope its legit..........heaps of info here re Bilderbergers, scientology etc
http://mirror.wikileaks.info/

[Celine]

mirror mirror on the wall..

who is the truest of them all..

[witchy1]

This may not be new, but here are the 9/11 pager intercepts from the day
http://mirror.wikileaks.info/files/index.html

[Swami]

already posted...:yuck::rockon:

[Roofie]

edited....

Sorry bout that, I was under the impression that because this thread was started in General Discussion a few days ago that it wasn't a current thread on information inside said release.

Any reason its not in News section now and not in General Discussion seen as its confirmed??

[Swami]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8382-WikiLeaks-Announces-Release-7x-the-Size-of-the-Iraq-War-Logs

[Ross]

you just bet me to it Swami:p

[Swami]

you just bet me to it Swami:p

:cool::rolleyes::p

[bluestflame]

can go on and help them sort out the interesting stuff , there's a lot of routine stuff , but can flag the more interesting stuff for them to review as priority thumbs down, 1, 2, 3, thumbs up ( system of classification)

[Bill Ryan]

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(Mod hat on)

Thread merged...

[Kulapops]

The wiki site went down just before the release. still lots of stuff being reported in th MSM. Icelandic government, royal family... you name it it's here !

Very interesting... and if this is covering something else... would love to know what that is !

Maybe some true form of disclosure for a change? Wow !


One MSM example

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333213/WikiLeaks-revelations-expose-corruption-allies-U-S-warns-Britain.html

[Banshee]

How about that Italian/US govt threat to Karzai.

[Kulapops]

Quite a useful link on the Guardian website for those getting up to speed on this breaking news.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/wikileaks

[JoshERTW]

Thanks for the link K - some good bedtime reading.

[Teakai]

The wiki site went down just before the release. still lots of stuff being reported in th MSM. Icelandic government, royal family... you name it it's here !

Very interesting... and if this is covering something else... would love to know what that is !

Maybe some true form of disclosure for a change? Wow !


One MSM example

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333213/WikiLeaks-revelations-expose-corruption-allies-U-S-warns-Britain.html

Ah, look. Could this be 'real' news from the mainstream media?
Did Jay Rockefeller's heart felt cries for 'real' news and his threats to the media work?

I don't think so - I think they've just got their scapegoats sorted.
Winning back the viewers. Now they have no need at all to go to alternate and independent media sites.

[morguana]

WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
Christopher Hope
Last Updated: 7:19AM GMT 29/11/2010


[The King of Saudi Arabia privately urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear weapons programme, according to diplomatic cables leaked by the whistle-blowing website, WikiLeaks.

The first tranche of more than 250,000 classified cables released by the WikiLeaks site says American officials were also told to spy on the United Nations’ leadership and get biometric information on its secretary general Ban Ki-moon.

The cables detail claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the Royal family and criticism of Britain’s military operations in Afghanistan and David Cameron.

The cables include requests for “specific intelligence” about British MPs. The communiques last night threatened a global diplomatic crisis and put America’s relations with Europe and the Middle East under a cloud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/8166502/WikiLeaks-sparks-worldwide-diplomatic-crisis.html

[Sabrina]

Julian Assange is teasing Barack Obama over drip, drip Wikileaks releases
By Toby Harnden World Last updated: November 29th, 2010
Daily Telegraph blog
After all the ballyhoo before the fact, the Wikileaks revelations thus far are pretty underwhelming. Although we’ve been seeing figures like 2.7 million and 251,287 for the number of documents released, so far there have been, er, 220 posted on the Wikileaks site.
The rest of the 250,000+ have it seems, been given to the New York Times, Guardian and Der Spiegel so we’re getting little snippets filtered through these news outlets, such as taking a Guantanamo Bay inmate would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe” and this gem revealed by my colleague Christopher Hope:
American diplomats were also asked to compile a profile of Alan Duncan, the homosexual former oil trader who is now the international development minister.
The Americans particularly asked for information on the relationship between Mr Duncan and William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, with whom he used to share a flat, and also Mr Cameron.
The problem is, we can’t yet read the the overwhelming majority of the original cables.
Out of the 220 Wikileaks has published, there are plenty of juicy titbits but most of the news stories are of the dog-bites-man variety. Few will be surprised to learn, for instance, that Saudi Arabia was pretty keen for the US to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities or that the Americans spy on people at the UN (frankly, I’d be worried if they didn’t).
Though I must say, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia’s suggestion that Guantanamo Bay inmates be implated “with an electronic chip containing information about them and allowing their movements to be tracked with Bluetooth”, noting that “this was done with horses and falcons” was pretty good.
In the same cable, the Saudi king certainly knew how to push the right buttons with the Obama administration:
Brennan said President Obama looked forward to seeing the King at the G-20 summit in London. “Thank God for bringing Obama to the presidency,” the King answered, which has created “great hope” in the Muslim world. “May God grant him strength and patience, Abdullah continued, “May God protect him. I’m concerned about his personal safety. America and the world need such a president.”
Clearly delighted with such a golden opportunity to suck up to the big boss, the diplomat who drafted the cable headed this section: “THE WORLD NEEDS OBAMA” (though how this went down with the Secretary of State alas remains unrecorded).
As for Assange’s protests that no one’s life would be put at risk, check this out. The name of the source has been redacted. But how many UK-educated engineers from prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan families who once owned a large factory in Iran and are former national fencing champions of Iran, former presidents of the Iran Fencing
Association and former vice-presidents of an Azerbaijan sports association do you think there are out there?.
Overall though, there is little to justify the screaming headlines of American foreign policy in crisis or being turned upside down. Instead, it’s a case of so far, so blah.
But you can see here the tantalising dates, subjects and places of origin of tens of thousands of other cables.
It seems to me that Assange is teasing Obama. Whereas the Afghanistan and Iraq war logs could be largely dismissed as Bush era material that didn’t really reflect on Obama, the State Department cables are different.
They go up to 28 February 2010, offering a potential window on Obama’s foreign policy which may well not show it in the sainted light he would prefer. It seems to me that Assange is teasing Obama, letting him know what WikiLeaks has and making him sweat.
Today was round one and the action was pretty tame. But there are plenty more rounds to come and Obama is on the back foot.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100065782/julian-assange-is-teasing-barack-obama-over-drip-drip-wikileaks-releases/

[irishspirit]

Iran's president has dismissed as propaganda the leaking of US cables detailing Arab calls for Washington to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the release by the Wikileaks website of thousands of extracts from US diplomatic messages was simply psychological warfare against Iran.

He said the release would not affect Iran's relations with other countries.

The US said the release was "reckless" and put the lives of diplomats at risk.

The Obama administration has been scrambling to make sure similar leaks do not happen again.

Government agencies have been ordered to tighten their procedures for handling classified information, ensuring that employees only have access to such documents as they need to do their jobs.

The Pentagon said it was making its computer systems more secure to prevent future leaks.

And Attorney General Eric Holder said there was an "active and ongoing criminal investigation" into the release of the documents and anyone found responsible would be prosecuted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11860435

[Celine]

"..on going investigation.."

wonder what the tab's gonna be on that one...

This is just another step in creating doubt.

Confuse the people that are waking up...

[Fredkc]

Saudi king urged US to attack Iran: leaked US documents (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Saudi_king_urged_US_to_attack_Iran_leaked_US_documents_999.html)


by Staff Writers
Paris (AFP) Nov 28, 2010
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme, according to US documents leaked by WikiLeaks and published Sunday by daily newspapers.

According to a leaked US cable, published by the New York Times, King Abdullah bin Abd al-Aziz made the call during an April 2008 meeting with US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and US General David Petraeus.

"He told you to 'cut off the head of the snake'," Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir, told the US embassy in Riyadh two days after the high-level talks, according to the State Department memo.

"The King, Foreign Minister, Prince Muqrin, and Prince Nayif all agreed that the Kingdom needs to cooperate with the US on resisting and rolling back Iranian influence and subversion in Iraq," the memo said.

"The King was particularly adamant on this point, and it was echoed by the senior princes as well. Al-Jubeir recalled the King's frequent exhortations to the US to attack Iran and so put an end to its nuclear weapons program."

But the memo goes on to say other Saudi officials were more cautious about the need for military action, with Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal and intelligence chief Prince Muqrin bin Abd al-Aziz pushing for sanctions.

"The Foreign Minister, on the other hand, called instead for much more severe US and international sanctions on Iran, including a travel ban and further restrictions on bank lending," the memo said.

"Prince Muqrin echoed these views, emphasizing that some sanctions could be implemented without UN approval. The Foreign Minister also stated that the use of military pressure against Iran should not be ruled out," the memo.

The leaked memo could prove embarrassing to Saudi Arabia which, while known to be nervous of Iran's alleged nuclear weapons programme, has not publicly called for Western military action against its powerful neighbour.

This is why I love the whole idea of wikileaks.
Someone needs to blow the stink of duplicity off of our foreign policy, and may other players.
Fred

[norman]

This is just another step in creating doubt.

Confuse the people that are waking up...



........and crack and crumble National Governments..............turning confused and disillusioned people towards 'the solution'. If people are finding out that everything as been lies from truth workers who believe in personal sovereignty and who believe passionately in resisting one world tyranny, the one world tyrants will do something about it, like having people find out that everything has been lies from people who are willing to help funnel the population into a one world tyranny.

After all, The destruction of national governments isn't a problem that they will worry about. At a manageable pace, it's actually part of the plan.

The objective right now is to fool the population into thinking they are gaining and winning something by this process.

[Banshee]

.....................................

[irishspirit]

The White House has ordered government agencies to tighten their handling of classified documents after the latest Wikileaks release.

The whistle-blower website has released more than 250,000 US diplomatic cables.

They offer candid views of foreign leaders and frank assessments of security threats.

Among the cables are reports that Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries urged the US to take military action against Iran's nuclear facilities.

The US said the release was "reckless" and put the lives of diplomats at risk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11868838

[Harley]

This may be helpful to some.


Repost: How to Decipher a State Department Cable (FOIA Tip #2)

Source: National Security Archive (http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/foia-tip-no-2-%E2%80%94-decipher-a-state-department-cable/)

Harley

[Anchor]

You guys may be interested in some commentary on the latest release here - some really insightful comments (not exclusively of course, some fun too and some a-hole category)

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/202226/Compiling-the-WikiLeaks-Fallout

Here is one:


>Is this really a case of 'holding the US to account for its crimes' or just malice, someone's personal agenda to get back at the big bad
> Americans? So far, it's looking more like the latter. I'm starting to question my former support for wikileaks.

You've been drinking the kool aid a bit heavily. Wikileaks has been careful not to release data that could pose an immediate threat to life or safety. They've been posting things that embarrass the government and affect its public image. And you want to stop supporting them because of this? Wikileaks didn't kill a bunch of brown people in an some country with an unpronounceable name and then pretend it didn't happen. Wikileaks didn't blow away several journalists who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They weren't making comments into the mic, laughing and acting excited that they were gunning down unarmed civilians.

They just told you it happened. Which is something your government (and mine) wouldn't do, and would never do if it had the choice. And all of this has been hidden behind the cloak of "national security". National security only goes so far -- when it is used as an excuse to violate the basic social contract and principles which the government is supposed to be supporting, it is the duty of those who know about this to spread the word far and wide and bring the democratic process into play to fix such systemic problems.

Wikileaks isn't on some quest to destroy the government: It is serving the purpose of saving it from itself, before it becomes completely unaccountable to its citizens and eventually becomes destructive of its own ends.


Here is another (there is no proof of validity of source here)




I wrote some of the classified documents on Wikilieaks during my time with the military. I am a civilian now. Much of what I have written is already available to researchers and journalists from the Marine Corps Historical archive in Quantico, Virginia. The Iraq dump contained many significant events from my battalion, but lacked the commanders' comments or the command chronology narrative to tie the events together and put them into perspective. This information is actually available through official sources. What is on Wikileaks has is actually quite limited.

I have two concerns about the fallout to the leak. The first concern is the U.S. may retroactively classify documents currently available to the public, or be less likely to release documents in the future. This will result in a net loss of access to information to the general public. My second concern is the military may become more compartmentalized and soldiers at the small-unit level may no longer have access to the same amount of intelligence information as they previously had. This would be unfortunate because a lot of the young Marines or Soldiers bring a fresh perspective to looking at the raw information and can often connect the dots and find things missed by back-office analysts.

The public has a right to know what the government is doing as long as it doesn't compromise operational security. Within the government there are people pushing to declassify information and make it available. There are others who would like to make everything a secret until the end of time. This latest leak will push the pendulum towards the secret squirrels. I doubt too many service members will want to follow in Pvt. Manning's footsteps, so Mr. Assange probably won't be getting too much new information. Without people sending him leaks, Mr. Assange wouldn't have much of a web site. If the U.S. were smart, they would put up an alternate web site to Wikileaks which would provide declassified versions of government documents and explain why it is important to balance the public's right to know with the need for operational security.

And here this observation on why I think there may be a hidden agenda with WL and all may not be as it seems


Wikileaks is not an American organization. It is international. It doesn't have a duty to help the US government do anything.

One of the big disclosures in this set has been middle-eastern war-mongering against Iran. Almost all of the countries in the region have been secretly lobbying the US to attack Iran while publicly grandstanding on the opposite. Anyone in a free country that has been paying attention already knew that this was happening to some degree, but it wasn't publicly documented. Now it is and consequently the citizens of those middle-eastern countries are much better informed about what their leaders have been doing -- look at the state-controlled media there and coverage of this wikileaks disclosure has been extremely sparse - even al-jazeera which has built its reputation on being independent of government control has made little comment on the leak, presumable to protect their host government of Qatar. But the info is spreading via facebook and other social media because unlike the typical rumors and conspiracy theories that dominate middle-eastern discussion, this stuff is nearly indisputable.

So part of it may suck for the US government, but that's not the case for the rest of the human race.

[Fredkc]

An oddity in the link Witchy1 gave above...


2001-09-11 10:50:03 Skytel [005070611] A ALPHA From:Holland_F_Atkinson Rob/Tom/Dave: please call me at 16887. I'm working with the Disaster team and we need a impact assesment of our apps.

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [1082685] D ALPHA From:U IFS Batch InsOwr <ifsbatch@node433>@PRUDENTIAL Subject:BATMAN error for godlpr01 on njros1un433: S<122 Body:SERVER: njros1un433 TIME: 10:50:15 DATE:

09/11/01 Not all BATMAN jobs complete

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [0953463] B ALPHA MESS ONLY 00/776 ALL ROUTE SALESMEN: PLEASE COME BACK TO THE BRANCH ASAP......ALL ROUTE SALESMEN PLEASE COME BACK TO THE BRANCH ASAP.......THANKS....PAUL YANKOWITRZ

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [1223363] A ALPHA THE NCC IN KANSAS CITY HAS ADVISED THAT THE SWITCH COMPLEX AT 60 HUDSON ST. IN NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN EVACUATED DUE TO DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS IN MANHATTAN. NEWS AFFILIATES ARE REPORTING WIDE-SPREAD

DATE: 09/11/01 Not all BATMAN jobs completed successfully for period 20010910, Please

2001-09-11 10:50:05 Skytel [0001810] A ALPHA on a one-year contract with veteran (G) Felix Potvin. Financial terms of the deal are undisclosed..>NFL INJURY: Miami Dolphins (OL) Marcus Spriggs will reportedly miss the remainder of the season because of a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left...
2001-09-11 10:50:05 Skytel [007000098] A ST NUM 567-225-6811

Anyone else wonder about the concern for NFL players, and route salemen?
And who the hell is Batman?

I found this on the page at the 2nd link in the page referenced.

[Arpheus]

An oddity in the link Witchy1 gave above...


2001-09-11 10:50:03 Skytel [005070611] A ALPHA From:Holland_F_Atkinson Rob/Tom/Dave: please call me at 16887. I'm working with the Disaster team and we need a impact assesment of our apps.

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [1082685] D ALPHA From:U IFS Batch InsOwr <ifsbatch@node433>@PRUDENTIAL Subject:BATMAN error for godlpr01 on njros1un433: S<122 Body:SERVER: njros1un433 TIME: 10:50:15 DATE:

09/11/01 Not all BATMAN jobs complete

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [0953463] B ALPHA MESS ONLY 00/776 ALL ROUTE SALESMEN: PLEASE COME BACK TO THE BRANCH ASAP......ALL ROUTE SALESMEN PLEASE COME BACK TO THE BRANCH ASAP.......THANKS....PAUL YANKOWITRZ

2001-09-11 10:50:04 Arch [1223363] A ALPHA THE NCC IN KANSAS CITY HAS ADVISED THAT THE SWITCH COMPLEX AT 60 HUDSON ST. IN NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN EVACUATED DUE TO DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS IN MANHATTAN. NEWS AFFILIATES ARE REPORTING WIDE-SPREAD

DATE: 09/11/01 Not all BATMAN jobs completed successfully for period 20010910, Please

2001-09-11 10:50:05 Skytel [0001810] A ALPHA on a one-year contract with veteran (G) Felix Potvin. Financial terms of the deal are undisclosed..>NFL INJURY: Miami Dolphins (OL) Marcus Spriggs will reportedly miss the remainder of the season because of a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left...
2001-09-11 10:50:05 Skytel [007000098] A ST NUM 567-225-6811

Anyone else wonder about the concern for NFL players, and route salemen?
And who the hell is Batman?

I found this on the page at the 2nd link in the page referenced.

I know Fred thats some really weird stuff isnt i?Its all coded stuff so unless you crack the code we will never really have a clue to what some of that stuff means tho.

[Fredkc]

What it looks like is, this a complete message dump from the NY area. Stuff of all kinds thrown together.
Some random messages reading down...

2001-09-11 10:55:08 Arch [1146801] A ALPHA ney I am going to collect from your life insurance policies because..if you don't call me now!! to tell me you're not dead, I am going to kill you!

2001-09-11 10:55:14 Arch [0555773] D ALPHA (9)NCC Opening: 9/11 8:00 AM CDT New York, NY 60 Hudson Switch Complex has evacuated because of possible terrorists act on the New York trade center. TEAMS tkt# 2041237

2001-09-11 10:55:14 Metrocall [1280695] B ALPHA v Sub: Txt: REPORT FROM FBI POSS HYJACKED PLANE HEADING TO SAN FRANCISCO POSS FOR A BRIDGE

2001-09-11 10:55:34 Arch [0986522] C ALPHA Tim - Michele is getting a flood of phone calls from other hospitals regarding the situation here, pt's are calling and cancelling their elective surgery

2001-09-11 10:55:34 Arch [0310113] A ALPHA 80-CALL ME ABOUT PAINTING YOUR HOUSE. HAVE ESTIMATE. WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU PRICE ALSO I !1/3 080

2001-09-11 10:55:36 Arch [1213631] D ALPHA 06:ABS: EMMC UPDATE: THE NCC IN KANSAS CITY HAS ADVISED THAT THE SWITCH COMPLEX AT 60 HUDSON ST. IN NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN EVACUATED DUE TO DESTR

2001-09-11 10:55:41 Skytel [005102417] A ALPHA All teams on standby. Prepare for activation. More information later.

2001-09-11 10:55:42 Arch [0959993] C ALPHA tjauch|Thank God Mark Delia is shook but OK in NY. Pray, give blood if possible, be with your families. Tom

2001-09-11 10:55:44 Skytel [004684273] A ALPHA From:Leigh Anne Maxwell Subject:Lori and Blane, Nothing urgent, but can you please have Blane call me at 281-882-6077 or 281-932-1926 when you guys have a break in your meeting. Thanks

2001-09-11 10:55:48 Skytel [005363346] A ALPHA Andersen, This is work. You must come in to work now!Very Very Important!!!1 IT2 Childress

2001-09-11 10:55:49 Arch [0925459] A ALPHA Are you still leaving for lunch? Security is on alert and closed some gates. Some freeways may be shut down. Be careful. jr

2001-09-11 10:56:33 Skytel [005351835] C ALPHA I am not sure if you called my cell phone - I have a message but can't access it. I am still at work - too many people on the streets to leave. Our bldg has been secured - nobody comes in - nobody leaves. Love you, Jackie

2001-09-11 10:56:42 Skytel [004398828] D ALPHA Dan, is break time, where are you? call me at 6324

2001-09-11 10:56:44 Metrocall [0049728] A ALPHA John, it's Lesley - GO HOME!!! Don't bother coming back.

[Rocky_Shorz]

pager text messages are part of the wiki leaks?

[ponda]

You guys may be interested in some commentary on the latest release here - some really insightful comments (not exclusively of course, some fun too and some a-hole category)

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/29/202226/Compiling-the-WikiLeaks-Fallout

Here is one:



Here is another (there is no proof of validity of source here)



And here this observation on why I think there may be a hidden agenda with WL and all may not be as it seems


Interesting post John


One important aspect of this whole evolving story is that whether Wiki is controlled or not or fed info or not what we have is information getting out into the public realm that normally wouldn't be there.Wiki is doing what the mainstream media should be doing but doesn't anymore.So now people are having access to some truths about their governments through the mainstream media for a change and guess what the politicians,military etc don't like it.The establishment has enjoyed a distinct lack of accountability and transparency for quite some time and look at the result of that.The world is in a terrible state.I can't help but think that this is a good thing that this info is getting out into the mainstream.

[astrid]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ecuador+offers+WikiLeak+founder+Assange+residency+questions+asked/3902251/story.html


QUITO - Ecuador on Monday offered Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder who has enraged Washington by releasing masses of classified U.S. documents, residency with no questions asked.

"We are ready to give him residence in Ecuador, with no problems and no conditions," Deputy Foreign Minister Kintto Lucas told the Internet site Ecuadorinmediato.

"We are going to invite him to come to Ecuador so he can freely present the information he possesses and all the documentation, not just over the Internet but in a variety of public forums," he said.

An international arrest warrant was issued in mid-November against Assange, a 39-year-old Australian, on suspicion of rape and sexual molestation of two women in Sweden.

The United States, for its part, has a criminal investigation under way into the release of some 250,000 diplomatic cables, the most recent of three huge document dumps by the self-styled whistle-blower website.

The White House branded those who released the documents "criminals, first and foremost," but so far U.S. authorities have publicly filed no charges against Assange.

The documents, obtained by WikiLeaks and made available to news organizations in the United States, Britain, France and Germany, have shone a bright light on the behind-the-scenes conduct U.S. diplomacy.

Ecuador's leftist government is one of several in the region that have often been at odds with Washington.

Lucas said even though Ecuador's policy was not to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries, it was "concerned" by the information in the cables because it involved other countries "in particular Latin America."

[truthseekerdan]

I hope he wouldn't be so naive to accept -- in order for the US to snatch him. :eyebrows:

[astrid]

Ecuador is shaping up to be the home of some interesting people , from memory George Green had alot to say about living there , ( correct me please if im wrong on this) ....

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Ahhhh... so the US can extradite from there , i didnt realise that fact, im not really up with my international laws..

Well will be interesting to watch this space then...

[truthseekerdan]

It's true, but you need dineros...:ohwell:

[Fredkc]

pager text messages are part of the wiki leaks?

Yup...........

[Zook]

Good morning Rocky_shorz, how are the seagulls today?


pager text messages are part of the wiki leaks?

Chaff in the wheat, with the wheat being genetically modified. In short, 100% junk. MHO, OC.

:typing:

[Zook]

the Globelites have their puppets in power positions all over Europe

I would just modify your statement and say: all over the world. Even in China and Russia (albeit in different form, and not necessarily political). Wouldn't be too surprised if they have a few monkeys doing mischief in Iran, of all places. Having said that, they are still outnumbered a thousand to one by the rest of us; and a million to one if we consider only the actual elites running the show (and ignore the minion subclasses).


:typing:

[Zook]

Good morning, Fred ... let me slap your ears with a loud hlllooooo!! ... before you make it to a coffee mug!


Saudi king urged US to attack Iran: leaked US documents (http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Saudi_king_urged_US_to_attack_Iran_leaked_US_documents_999.html)

by Staff Writers
Paris (AFP) Nov 28, 2010
[...]
This is why I love the whole idea of wikileaks.
Someone needs to blow the stink of duplicity off of our foreign policy, and may other players.
[i]Fred

Well, we've found ourselves another topic where we can play chess to the death with. LOL!
:jester:

Allow me to put the stink of duplicity back on American Foreign Policy Corp. (a subsidiary of Global Robber Banksters Inc.) ... where it rightfully belongs.

Free clues: Standard Oil; Rockefellers; the legend of Lawrence of Arabia; CIA overthrow of Mossadegh; neoArabian puppetkings; King Abdullah; etc.

Now, imagine a war-room. Many generals and military types assembled to discuss war strategy and operations. One general says attack Iran! Another asks ... but how? Another asks ... but why? A third is adamant and proclaims the whole idea to be foolish and ill-advised! Another says, I'm not sure ... let's have lunch. For sure, everyone in the war-room is on the same side. Just as surely, they all have their own mindsets about a possible attack on Iran.

Let's initialize our war-room template with Julian Assange and Wikileaks ... and proceed. PuppetKing Abdullah and his handlers are on the same side; puppetKing Abdullah bangs the fist on the table and points his free hand in the direction of the wall map of Iran; puppetKing Abdullah cusses at the mangy Persian sons of mother dogs represented by the wall map; minutes of the meeting are made available to the Department of Disinformation in the Ministry of Propaganda (which selects one of its alternative media infiltration trainees, e.g Julian Assange, to run with the story). Assange is deliberately attacked by MSM to garner sympathy and support for himself and - how shall we put it - his exposees. His expositions, of course, reveal little that is not already known or suspected by the alternative media. Moreover, the selection of releases (so far) amount to an attempt at justifying the War on Terror (e.g. a neoCon, ZioCon invention and perspective). I mean, we have a clear case of agents of the bankster empire pretending that King Abdullah speaks with an independent Arab voice against a perceived Persian nuclear threat (which does not exist!). Israel has over 400 nuclear bombs, fer crying out not softly ... and Iran has none! Israel is commited to the ongoing enslavement of the Arab peoples (and theft of their resources) ... Iran is not so committed! How dumb do these Zionist/Illuminati/Freemason/Vatican mastards think we are?! Apparently, dumb enough to try a scam like Wikileaks.
:frusty:

In any event, the sword of Damocles had fallen on Julian Assange's head when he suggested that 9/11/2001 was a false conspiracy. S-H-I-L-L is still the best way to spell the word. And the elephant of Damocles had trampled the tent of Wikileaks when George Soros purchased the poles and pegs.

Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

ps: Wikileaks gives the peddlers of propaganda (e.g. agents of TBastardsTB) freedom of speech but without the liability for its contents.

[norman]

......... How dumb do these Zionist/Illuminati/Freemason/Vatican ******** think we are?! Apparently, dumb enough to try a scam like Wikileaks.
:frusty:



Yer-know Zook', I cleaned it up a bit for the children who might be reading this but that's all.

[Zook]

Yer-know Zook', I cleaned it up a bit for the children who might be reading this but that's all.

Thanx, Norms!

Mea culpa. I view the term as a common usage term ... and sometimes forgets its other usage. Hmmm ... let me see if I can come up with a better term ... how about mastard? For illegitimate masters.

:typing:

[Fredkc]

Israel has over 400 nuclear bombs, fer crying out not softly ... and Iran has none!

Oh Zook... you're such an alarmist. They only have around 220!
http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Their problem is they just can't use them without committing geo-political suicide.
Solution? Get the US involved in a game of "Let's you and him fight!"
So far, they're batting 1000 on this. But I think it is finally wearing thin. Personally I think the US gummint is still at a point where they would follow this stupidity down any old rabbit hole they were pointed at.

Sadly, cannons are just no damned fun without cannon fodder. And this is where things are beginning to get a bit thin. At least that is my sense of things, and my hope.
"Having said that, they are still outnumbered a thousand to one by the rest of us"
You'd think that would catch on like wildfire, wouldn't you? The trick is finding the rights words to make stampeding humans see the cliff.

My earlier enthusiasm was typed before someone pointed out the obvious. That Israel is so far unmentioned in all of this. If this is indicative of the true source of this information then it is disappointing. But even this has a bright side - the fact it was picked up on so quickly.

So far, the "information" appears genuine. If it is this one-sided all the way through, I also think it was an incredible mistake. People will only sit still for so much BS and they they'll just say "No." And good luck getting them to fall in again.

If it serves to only expose 1/2 the BS in our foreign policy, then so be it. My hope is people are smart enough to know the rest is probably more of the same. I have seen to it my children, and grand children won't fall for it.

[ponda]

WikiLeaks and the New Global Order: America's Wake-Up Call


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22172

[kcw_one]

Uncle Zook always cracks me up.

I'm not sure what to think. The wikileaks business could easily be a plant, meant to be a distraction or whatever. Considering that the mainstream media is actually giving it press time, and assuming that the media is really as controlled as it seems, then it's being used for SOMETHING. Not sure what just yet. I do often wonder about the existence of any "white hats" in the old fellers clubs. Maybe there is a serious power struggle going on that we haven't yet begun to understand. If we take the world events as a whole and consider them to be a reflection of our collective bag of junk, then maybe our collective spirit is beginning to lean a little further towards the "light" and what goes on inside withe the insiders is a result of that. Anything shedding some light on the actions and attitudes of the elite poopheads has to be good in some way doesn't it?

[JoshERTW]

I get the feeling, just a gut feeling mind you, that alot of the stuff in the "leaks" are genuine. I also think the media is going to talk about the specific data points that fit into their usual storyline of "war is peace" "ignorance is freedom" etc. In addition to all this, I'm willing to bet there are some buried gems in that 250,000 that will never see the light of day outside of a few websites like this one, and that won't even happen until a few weeks after the "hype" has died down. Just my own prognostication on this topic, I'm looking forward to reading through the whole batch as it becomes available, if I have the time. Though its almost time for the Canadian Conservative Party to launch their annual Illegal Shut-down of parliamentary processes - will need to devote some time to seeing exactly which bills get Killed by that play this year.

[Anchor]

I am nursing a hunch that Wikileaks is either a clever Psyop, or the target of a controlled leak with an agenda.

Supporting ideas for this:

1) So far the leaks seem to embarrass foreign diplomats more than American ones - haven't done a count, but I have been reading this meme a lot

2) Seems aligned with the general agenda, its like the US just shrug off the criticism and carry on regardless - not making any difference

3) Makes people think it must be genuine (as it is... hushed tones... leaked), so greater credence is given to the material than from other places. Ideal dis-info vector.

4) This whole - yeehah - Yeah 'stick it to the man' - thing is very distracting. The devil is in the detail. There is not much detail.

5) How come the US already seem to know what is in the leaks and have their apologising/media strategies well planned and executed?

6) How come WL doesn't just leak it, but hit the big media first? It would be much more interesting of the proletariat really got the info first. Leak an encrypted file first, then publish the password so we can get everything all at once and it is unstoppable. What kind of hacker risks the "treasure trove" of info he is sitting on right now (so big they stopped receiving new stuff) that is all unpublished? Why does JA feel his org should be the arbiter of what sees the light? Do we really trust him?

6) How come the web site is still functional?

7) How come JA is still not pushing up the daisies?

Recently Sarah Palin tweet-ranted calling for JA to be hunted down like OBL and that the white house have handled it incompetently so far - my comment on that is well he is pretty safe then. The combined might of most of allied super-military forces on Earth have not found OBL or done anything really apart from blow-****-up and get the way for oil pipe-lines open.

JA may well want to check any helicopters he hears, they may contain a determined soccer-mum hanging out the side with an AR-15 and a mission to do what the Whitehouse have failed at.

Finally, I don't really know if I care. My needless drama meter is off the scale on this right now.

I hope that this information is true. Perhaps more true than the planners really intended. I hope this is one of the catalysts that drive the changes we will experience over the coming years on our way to a nicer world. Thats what I hope and if wikileaks can help that, I'm all for it.

John,..

[truthseekerdan]

I have a feeling that WL is just a precursor to a more sinister internet regulation (censoring).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4534-END-of-the-Internet-!!-is-there-any-truth-to-it&p=74755&viewfull=1#post74755

[PathWalker]

I am totally with John about the WL false flag leak.

If it was really a leak like as it was in the previous case.
The whistleblower would have been hunted long ago. This whole campaign orchestrated in the controlled media. With non what so ever questioning it authenticity is clear diversion.
My hunch is that this is a test case for alternative info war controlled by the CIA.
And it is not working very well.

The reall control and controller are still well hidden. The same tactics to disinfo and confuse the UFO research community is used again.
The public takes the bait, while the real info and new is not to be controlled media. We watch with amazement how the controllers are seizing the "free" media.

WL is no more a spicy whisleblower avenue. Its credibility is gone.

[Sabrina]

Info. or otherwise on major US bank says Assange.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/an-interview-with-wikileaks-julian-assange/

[JoshERTW]

I am nursing a hunch that Wikileaks is either a clever Psyop, or the target of a controlled leak with an agenda.

...

6) How come WL doesn't just leak it, but hit the big media first? It would be much more interesting of the proletariat really got the info first. Leak an encrypted file first, then publish the password so we can get everything all at once and it is unstoppable. What kind of hacker risks the "treasure trove" of info he is sitting on right now (so big they stopped receiving new stuff) that is all unpublished? Why does JA feel his org should be the arbiter of what sees the light? Do we really trust him?

6) How come the web site is still functional?

7) How come JA is still not pushing up the daisies?

...

Finally, I don't really know if I care. My needless drama meter is off the scale on this right now.

John,..


They did leak an encrypted file, theres a link to it on the WL twitter site, its called "insurance" or some such - if JA gets disappeared, the data is still out there, holographically. I thought it was kind of a clever idea actually, might explain #7 too. Perhaps if their site goes down, they publish the key too - don't know for sure. In addition, I think their site operates from a number of mirror's around the world, I get the impression they are a little more tech savvy than the average person, but it still seems a bit fishy, if they were such a "threat" I'm sure there would be a workaround, and its not like if they shut them down, there will be an explosion of 'unwanted' media attention - they are bloody well on every channel and news site as it is.

Don't know if they published the key yet "for the people", I'm guessing not or we would be hearing a lot more about whats in the files from Alt. sources. With regards to the "not caring" about the drama, I"m with you there, the first day of this I was pretty excited, but that has severely tapered off. I was expecting the conspiracy theorist 12 days of x-mas but so far its been a lot of crap.

Another possible explaination is that JA has a huge ego - he has not given full text of all the files out as far as I know, even to his media sources. Just scraps. He wants to be in control of the "flow rate" of information, letting it absorb into public conciousness at his own chosen pace perhaps.

This situation is a very tough one to "call" I think - I'm going to continue to reserve judgement on who is behind what and whether or not the information is relevant until it has all had a chance to get out and breathe.

[norman]

I just read at Yahoo news that Obama is going to sign "The Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act" ( 2009 - 2010 ). It's suggested that his signature is a response to the Wikileaks saga.

I thought it might be wise to find the act and see what's in it. The Health Care bill had sections in it that were nothing to do with health care so it seems they'll re introduce rejected chunks of legislation from older bill debates by sneaking them into new bills that, on the surface, seem un related.

I'm still reading it but here's a link to it:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1507:

[Generous]

Can you torrent?

WL files. Had these for a couple of days and wanted to share.

http://88.80.13.160/torrent/cablegate/cablegate-201011301501.7z.torrent

If you dont know how to use torrents don't bother downloading

[Anchor]

WikiLeaks offline in USA, Europe

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/wikileaks-offline-in-usa-europe-20101202-18gxu.html


The website of WikiLeaks, the organisation that just released a trove of sensitive US State Department documents, has been cut off by its main web host in the USA and Europe.

The main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the US and Europe on Wednesday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data.

Site wasn't working for me for a few days. I was not able to download anything so doesn't really affect me.

[Kulapops]

So now it's Wikisqueaks ?

:)

[astrid]

http://www.time.com/time/covers/europe/0,16641,20101213,00.html

(out December 13th)

What a powerful image.......

[Ahkenaten]

Well I guess they might have a hard time killing him off now...........................I know people will say this is proof that Wikileaks is another mechanation of TPTB but I don't believe it is that simple.

[astrid]

Yes same here , i think its WAY more complex than what people realise....How i see it, JA is smart, ( Wikileaks as an idea according to JA was years in the planning) and very committed, he certainly has the potential to "play both sides" to achieve his aim. I also think its all about timing, he has launched in a time when there is a huge and growing anti-gov movement.

I guess one thing i was pondering was if he knows enough of the bigger picture, workings of TBTP, to not be used himself to further their agenda(s).
In which case the whole thing will back fire.

Like, its not a stretch to see how some of the information released, might be used to trigger a war , for example , we know that was/is one of their agendas...


John Pilger talks about this here...
He also makes some interesting comments in relation to Australia's treatment of JA
(been already posted, but re-posting here).


http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2010/3083583.htm

bst_20101203_0821

(mods pls help if that audio isnt working , thank!!)

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Astrid. I find this whole Wikileaks thing to be fascinating. No doubt Mr. Assange is one very bright man. I think, reading his mission statement for Wikileaks, that he is very driven to break down the walls of secrecy behind which so much evil is perpetuated in this world using technology and the power of the internet. Having said that he is only human and may have limits to his vision that leave him vulnerable to exploitation (point in fact - he wanted to make love to a few women, both of whom, it appears accommodated him to set him up!) AND who knows, he might have a dark side somewhere that would permit him to deliberately engage in some bad stuff. WHO KNOWS? I DON'T!!

Actually I don't care so much about him though I would not like to see him become a casualty of this affair. I DO care about the information that is coming out because it provides a more complete, if complex and contradictory, picture of what is really going on behind the scenes.
As for info being used to trigger a war, well if certain people want to go to war we have seen that there is very little we can do to stop them, is there? They will create some pretext for conflict as long they have plausible deniability and the whole venture puts $$ in their pockets!

As for Australia (sorry if you are an Aussie!) Australia has been in my opinion another slavish boot-licker of the US in all its questionable partnerships with the US including permitting placement of NSA spy stations in its country. Nothing Australia would have to say about Julian Assange therefor is surprising to me, being engaged in reflexive butt-kissing and worshipping at the altar of western materialism as it has since its inception.

[Beth]

If you have general info to post on the wikileaks, please post it here. You've all kept me quite busy today with all the separate threads dealing with Julian.

[irishspirit]

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has revealed unidentified flying objects (UFOs) are mentioned in some of the diplomatic cables which have been handed over to the website.

In a live Q&A session with The Guardian, Assange explained WikiLeaks is frequently inundated with 'weirdos' claiming they have discovered UFOs, but added it has been found officials have also been discussing the issue.
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has spoken about UFO details contained in the cable leaks (PA) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has spoken about UFO details contained in the cable leaks (PA)

'It is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs,' he said.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/849376-julian-assange-ufo-details-found-in-wikileaks-cables#ixzz1797Nsk7i

[irishspirit]

Washington (CNN) -- Unauthorized federal workers and contractors have been warned not to attempt to read the classified documents on WikiLeaks on either government or personal computers.

The White House Office of Management and Budget sent a memo Friday afternoon forbidding unauthorized federal government employees and contractors from accessing classified documents publicly available on WikiLeaks and other websites using computers or devices like BlackBerrys and smart phones.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/12/03/wikileaks.access.warning/index.html

[irishspirit]

Creators Syndicate – WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — In the first major policy fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures, the State Department has ordered all U.S. diplomats to "cease and desist telling the truth until further notice."

__"We are working overtime to try to make sure that leaks like these don't happen again," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters. "But until we've got the leaks plugged, it's incumbent on all our diplomats to put on their lying caps."__

Clinton noted that since many U.S. diplomats are major political donors with long careers in the business world, "this shouldn't be a reach for them."__ But for those career diplomats who came up through the Foreign Service, the State Department will be holding a series of "truth avoidance seminars," led by executives of Goldman Sachs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20101204/cm_uc_crabox/op_4716220

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ&feature=player_embedded

¤=[Post Update]=¤

http://cablesearch.org/

search engine for these documents.

[irishspirit]

PayPal cuts WikiLeaks from money flow

BERLIN – Online payment service provider PayPal says in a company blog it has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations.

The company said in a blog posting the move was prompted by a violation of its policy, "which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/04/paypal-cuts-wikileaks-money-flow/#ixzz179KKI2O2

[jcocks]

Creators Syndicate – WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — In the first major policy fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures, the State Department has ordered all U.S. diplomats to "cease and desist telling the truth until further notice."

__"We are working overtime to try to make sure that leaks like these don't happen again," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters. "But until we've got the leaks plugged, it's incumbent on all our diplomats to put on their lying caps."__

Clinton noted that since many U.S. diplomats are major political donors with long careers in the business world, "this shouldn't be a reach for them."__ But for those career diplomats who came up through the Foreign Service, the State Department will be holding a series of "truth avoidance seminars," led by executives of Goldman Sachs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20101204/cm_uc_crabox/op_4716220

Classic :)

[Banshee]

...................................

[Zook]

Good morning Irishspirit, the Earth says hello!



[...]
http://cablesearch.org/
search engine for these documents.

This video is vital to the understanding of Wikileaks, IMHO. At the 1:40 mark, listen to what Ron Paul is saying. He is basically wondering what would happen if Wikileaks had released information on all the internal bankster memos of the past decade or so. Imagine that. Wikileaks dumps all this information that, overall, appears to justify the Zionist/Illuminati sponsored War on Terrorism (e.g. a phony war with real consequences to the Iraqi and Afghan peoples; and libertarian consequences to the rest of us); but it has yet to reveal anything significant on the sundry money scams that have been used to appropriate the resources of the globe for an elite few and their minions (e.g. a real war against the peoples of the world - and their fruits of labor - delivering economic Beiruts from Barcelona to Belfast to Berlin).

That Wikileaks has not yet done so (to the best of my knowledge) is quite telling, IMHO. To wit, Silence speaks louder than words!

:typing:

ps: I understand that Wikileaks is all about the war logs of Afghanistan and what not ... but these wars have basically run their course. The ongoing banking frauds and NWO preparations (and implementations) should be our prime focus now. Interesting that Wikileaks is taking us away from that focus and bogging us, for all intents and purposes, in the past. But even with the past, Wikileaks might have gotten some accommodation if it had exposed information relating to cause (e.g. 9/11/2001) and not to effect (e.g. to the limited controlled extent that effects have been exposed). So again, we are left with nothing more than distraction.

[Zook]

Creators Syndicate – WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — In the first major policy fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures, the State Department has ordered all U.S. diplomats to "cease and desist telling the truth until further notice."
__"We are working overtime to try to make sure that leaks like these don't happen again," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters. "But until we've got the leaks plugged, it's incumbent on all our diplomats to put on their lying caps."__
Clinton noted that since many U.S. diplomats are major political donors with long careers in the business world, "this shouldn't be a reach for them."__ But for those career diplomats who came up through the Foreign Service, the State Department will be holding a series of "truth avoidance seminars," led by executives of Goldman Sachs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20101204/cm_uc_crabox/op_4716220

When the emperor sends one of his minion messengers into the unwashed masses to rally the masses and control their momentum ... the most effective tactic he can use is to publicly attack his own minion messenger (e.g. so that the unwashed masses rally that much tighter around him). Emperors have been using this tactic from time immemorial. Mothers use this tactic everyday with young unwashed children to get them to do things the itty bitty human units initially refuse to do.

Mother: 'Broccoli ... ewwww'
Child: 'Gimme rockily!'

Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

[irishspirit]

Bank of America has set up a swat team to combat Wikileaks in case it is, as suspected, the target of the next leak, says Charlie Gasparino.

The FOXBusiness news reporter just tweeted:

Bank of America sets up Legal Swat team to combat Wikileaks in case it is the target.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bank-of-america-sets-up-swat-team-to-combat-wikileaks-2010-12#ixzz17AIha2ZO

[Ahkenaten]

Creators Syndicate – WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — In the first major policy fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures, the State Department has ordered all U.S. diplomats to "cease and desist telling the truth until further notice."

__"We are working overtime to try to make sure that leaks like these don't happen again," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters. "But until we've got the leaks plugged, it's incumbent on all our diplomats to put on their lying caps."__

Clinton noted that since many U.S. diplomats are major political donors with long careers in the business world, "this shouldn't be a reach for them."__ But for those career diplomats who came up through the Foreign Service, the State Department will be holding a series of "truth avoidance seminars," led by executives of Goldman Sachs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20101204/cm_uc_crabox/op_4716220

HAHAHAHAHAHA! This is SOOOO Funny. HAHAHAHA. Soon the government will openly be hiring known criminals - drug capos, safe-crackers, smugglers and giving them special civil service status! HAHAHAHAHA!

[Carmody]

But....that's how it's been for years and years and years....

[Ahkenaten]

Good Morning All! (or afternoon wherever you are)

I am relatively new to this site and love being here. I have a lot to learn about all the subjects on this site, and having said that, recognize my own ignorance and naivete on some of my posts. I guess its a learning process and I thank all who have been willing to read my dribble with patience.

This may be a subject that has been discussed before. If it has, I apologize.

As I read and learn and contemplate, I am left with one overriding impression - we are wasting our time. Let me clarify that - knowledge is never a waste of time, however, as the NWO clock tick tick ticks away, everyone on this site continues to theorize about subjects for which they don't have the answer. The posts are often brilliant and insightful, but they actually do very little in terms of affecting a different outcome. Additionally, 99% of the individuals posting on this site agree with one another. Now think about that. You have a populace of people who are consolidated in their thinking, spending hours of their day writing to each other about subjects on which they completely agree! Its a huge mutual admiration society and as interesting as it is, is it really dynamic enough to affect change? Other than espousing our brilliant insight, everything remains the same. Are we allowing our discourse to become mechanations of the powers that be? In no way am I suggesting that the founders of this site are complicit. I am referencing the alternative media community at large. All talk and very little action.

Would I be over-stepping to suggest that we combine our energies and take on an actual project? There has been much talk about Wikilkeaks being undigestible , leaving it vulnerable to interpretation by the main stream media. Would it not be incumbent upon us, as participants in this very important forum to "own" cables, dissect them and then report back our findings? Administratively speaking, it would be a monumental task, but what better use of our grey matter and time than to dedicate ourselves to uncovering truth?

Just an observation. In no way am I suggesting that the thoughts, persons, and ideology here is not important and perhaps if it were to only change a handful of perceptions, then it is of immeasurable value. I am just acutely aware of how precious little time is left to save things. Thoughts anyone? ( thank you for your time) :)

Hi Banshee - I agree with what you suggest. I have in many posts suggested that too often alternative media becomes merely an analogue for the mainstream babble box, in other words, an echo chamber where people mirror one another. This serves the purpose of the powers that be in that it captures people in one area where they circle around like cattle trapped in a box canyon. Ahk

[Banshee]

I am so relieved to have received a response to this. thank you most humbly. I was getting a wee bit worried about my fellow Avalonians!

Ok - let's do it. Who else is interested?

[Ahkenaten]

But....that's how it's been for years and years and years....

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Right on Carmody. I know having been there and done that. But up to now the civil service exams to my knowledge anyway do not actually have job descriptions in all the categories desired by TPTB - i.e. criminal expertise in various areas. We know that these types are actively employed by the 3-letter agencies and obviously the contractors however. Maybe they will be forced by phenomenon like Wikiealks to come right out in the open! HAHAHAHAHAHA! May the best criminal land the best job with the best benefits!

[Ahkenaten]

I am so relieved to have received a response to this. thank you most humbly. I was getting a wee bit worried about my fellow Avalonians!

Ok - let's do it. Who else is interested?

Banshee I am interested. This is what I have been talking about when I say let's take it to the next step. We can chatter about subjects of interest, pose as savants, spin and spin - forever. But time is a-wasting. It is time to WAKE UP!

As an addendum - see how powerful the TRUTH is? Nothing, NOTHING can stand up against it. THIS is why Truth-saying in all its forms is the most powerful value. All the lies begin to disintegrate under the clear shining light of the Truth.

[Banshee]

so, i guess we should repost or something similar to get the momentum going? Can the mods start a new thread dedicated to this? what are the next steps? So far, we're a party of two - that over 100,000 cables each. we obviously need more help! :)

[irishspirit]

U.S. soldiers in Iraq who try to read about the Wikileaks disclosures—or read coverage of them in mainstream news sites—on unclassified networks get a page warning them that they're about to break the law.

The federal government seems to have lost its mind in a manic game of internet whack-a-mole aimed at getting the Wikileaks State Department cables thrown down the memory hole: First, Sen. Joe Lieberman successfully nudged Amazon into kicking the site off its servers. Then the Library of Congress blocked the site for all employees and users of its computer terminals. Now we learn that the State Department is warning prospective hires that if they write about Wikileaks on Twitter or Facebook, they might not get that job. And now Gawker has learned that military installations in Iraq are trying to keep soldiers from reading about Wikileaks.

A tipster wrote to tell us that "the Army's unclassified, NIPRNET network in Iraq has blocked every major news website because of the Wikileaks issue," going on to say that Foxnews.com, CNN.com, MSNBC.com, the Huffington Post, and a variety of other sites are blocked on the Army's unclassified network. A spokesperson for U.S. forces in Iraq disputed that claim, saying that the web sites aren't actually blocked—it's just that attempts to access them on the unclassified network brings up a warning page saying that you're about to break the law:

[U.S. forces in Iraq have] not blocked any news websites from being read. Because of the Wikileaks release of secret documents and their easy availability on the web, USF-I has posted a warning page NIPRNet computers go to first. This page simply warns the user that the website they are about to view may contain classified documents and that such documents should not be viewed, downloaded, or distributed on NIPR computers. There is a button at the bottom of this warning page that then allows the user to go to the website.

http://gawker.com/5705639/us-military-in-iraq-tries-to-intimidate-soldiers-into-not-reading-wikileaks

[irishspirit]

Lieberman Introduces Anti-WikiLeaks Legislation --Leaking such information in the first place is already a crime, so the measure is aimed squarely at publishers. By Kevin Poulsen 02 Dec 2010 Senator Joseph Lieberman ['R'-Sociopath] and other lawmakers on Thursday introduced legislation that would make it a federal crime for anyone to publish the name of a U.S. intelligence source, in a direct swipe at the secret-spilling website WikiLeaks... The so-called SHIELD Act (Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination) would amend a section of the Espionage Act that already forbids publishing classified information on U.S. cryptographic secrets or overseas communications intelligence -- i.e., wiretapping. The bill would extend that prohibition to information on HUMINT, human intelligence, making it a crime to publish information "concerning the identity of a classified source or informant of an element of the intelligence community of the United States," or "concerning the human intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government" if such publication is prejudicial to U.S. interests.

http://www.legitgov.org/Lieberman-Introduces-Anti-WikiLeaks-Legislation

[Ahkenaten]

Yup - Old Flappy Lips at it again.........

[irishspirit]

Hidden behind the save-the-world rhetoric of the global climate change negotiations lies the mucky realpolitik: money and threats buy political support; spying and cyberwarfare are used to seek out leverage.

The US diplomatic cables reveal how the US seeks dirt on nations opposed to its approach to tackling global warming; how financial and other aid is used by countries to gain political backing; how distrust, broken promises and creative accounting dog negotiations; and how the US mounted a secret global diplomatic offensive to overwhelm opposition to the controversial "Copenhagen accord", the unofficial document that emerged from the ruins of the Copenhagen climate change summit in 2009.

Negotiating a climate treaty is a high-stakes game, not just because of the danger warming poses to civilisation but also because re-engineering the global economy to a low-carbon model will see the flow of billions of dollars redirected.

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Seeking negotiating chips, the US state department sent a secret cable on 31 July 2009 seeking human intelligence from UN diplomats across a range of issues, including climate change. The request originated with the CIA. As well as countries' negotiating positions for Copenhagen, diplomats were asked to provide evidence of UN environmental "treaty circumvention" and deals between nations.

But intelligence gathering was not just one way. On 19 June 2009, the state department sent a cable detailing a "spear phishing" attack on the office of the US climate change envoy, Todd Stern, while talks with China on emissions took place in Beijing. Five people received emails, personalised to look as though they came from the National Journal. An attached file contained malicious code that would give complete control of the recipient's computer to a hacker. While the attack was unsuccessful, the department's cyber threat analysis division noted: "It is probable intrusion attempts such as this will persist."

The Beijing talks failed to lead to a global deal at Copenhagen. But the US, the world's biggest historical polluter and long isolated as a climate pariah, had something to cling to. The Copenhagen accord, hammered out in the dying hours but not adopted into the UN process, offered to solve many of the US's problems.

The accord turns the UN's top-down, unanimous approach upside down, with each nation choosing palatable targets for greenhouse gas cuts. It presents a far easier way to bind in China and other rapidly growing countries than the UN process. But the accord cannot guarantee the global greenhouse gas cuts needed to avoid dangerous warming. Furthermore, it threatens to circumvent the UN's negotiations on extending the Kyoto protocol, in which rich nations have binding obligations. Those objections have led many countries—particularly the poorest and most vulnerable—to vehemently oppose the accord.

Getting as many countries as possible to associate themselves with the accord strongly served US interests, by boosting the likelihood it would be officially adopted. A diplomatic offensive was launched. Diplomatic cables flew thick and fast between the end of Copenhagen in December 2009 and late February 2010, when the leaked cables end.

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/12/wikileaks-us-manipulated-copenhagen

[jcocks]

Banshee I am interested. This is what I have been talking about when I say let's take it to the next step. We can chatter about subjects of interest, pose as savants, spin and spin - forever. But time is a-wasting. It is time to WAKE UP!

As an addendum - see how powerful the TRUTH is? Nothing, NOTHING can stand up against it. THIS is why Truth-saying in all its forms is the most powerful value. All the lies begin to disintegrate under the clear shining light of the Truth.

Hear! Hear! I'm in, and will do what I can to help.

[witchy1]

This is not my work, but having read it I have a suspicion this may just be whats really going on.......... please read the entire article as have only cut bits out to make the point.
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While 9/11 served as a wake up call to those awake and aware enough to see the obvious demolitions and misinformation and resultant "Pearl Harbor" effect, most of the world fell for it. And now people are literally bending over, as in airport 'screenings', to the onslaught of police state fascism worldwide......................

And what was the result of this declared war on terrorism? Not a war on terror, but an increase in fear and terror, all to justify the economic, social and political clampdown that has followed...................

............You guessed it--the last bastion of freedom of information and expression, a free Internet, will topple. After all, if information is now the enemy, we must carefully police any and every aspect of this dangerous medium--all for the safety and protection of 'we the people'....................


Warning Signs

#1. Wikileaks---WAY too approved and publicized. Every TV and cable network, press worldwide, official recognition from every level of government. Heck, he even does a TED talk! Where's anyone else trying to expose the agenda? Only Julian. Hmmm.

#2. Biggie: This supposed system fighter says the 9/11 truth issue is "a distraction". Mustn't step on your bosses' toes now, should we Julian.. Very suspicious if you ask me.
#3. Wikileaks and Assange's sketchy background:

The WikiLeaks website first appeared on the Internet in December 2006.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#cite_note-14)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#cite_note-15) The site claims to have been "founded by Chinese dissidents, journalists, mathematicians and start-up company technologists, from the US, Taiwan, Europe, Australia and South Africa".[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#cite_note-aboutwikileaks-4) The creators of WikiLeaks have not been formally identified.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#cite_note-NewScientist1-16) It has been represented in public since January 2007 by Julian Assange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange) and others. Assange describes himself as a member of WikiLeaks' advisory board.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#cite_note-afp07-17) (Wikipedia)
Also, Assange reportedly wrote for both the New York Times and the Economist which is fishy as well--not a real enlightened or 'alternative' mindset. His mysterious persona also plays well to the Wikileaks furtive image so people won't expect to know too much, which also is very 'convenient' for keeping anything hidden.
[NOTE: There doesn't have to be deliberate, conscious involvement in some agenda on Wikileaks' part, but it helps. He, they, could be 'useful idiots' whose program has been conveniently co-opted by the controllers to serve their purpose. Either way, look for the pattern and the effects.]
#4. Watch the hype: There's a growing crescendo of anger and hate that is now being whipped up--to the point that Assange is being called a new kind of terrorist--and more disturbingly, and as expected, the comparison is now being drawn between Assange and Bin Laden:

Social Media Leaks Categorize Julian Assange As the Osama Bin Laden Of The Internet ......The Tactic Is Very Familiar - Know Your Enemy

.................First there's the Hegelian Dialectic - create a problem, provoke a reaction and then implement the pre-planned solution. The staged 9/11 attacks, including the internationally inhabited World Trade Center, 'justified' the ensuing wars and worldwide clampdown on freedoms in the name of 'security', including the horrendous Patriot Act that was already written and just waiting for an excuse to be signed and implemented.

Similarly, this attack over the international Internet and drawing in diplomatic communities worldwide by exposing state secrets from a variety of countries will greatly help usher in international measures in the name of 'security', probably spearheaded once again by the fascist US government with coinciding EU, Canadian & Australian measures. It's already under way with the Department of Homeland Security confiscating websites (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/283/325/US_Government_seizure_of_the_internet_has_begun;_DHS_takes_over_76_websites.html).

All they need is 'the right incident" to justify bringing on full control. Like "Internet Terrorism"? They just can't use that term enough now, can they. After all, it's a war on terror, and "if you're not for us, you're for the terrorists." The ultimate false choice, just like everything else they foist on the human consciousness.

.......One of their central themes and modus operandums is "Ordo Ab Chao"-- order out of chaos. Create the chaos, pitting anyone against anyone while controlling and fomenting both sides--hence the double headed red phoenix symbol........

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/294/056/

[ponda]

Nice post witchy1.

Of course the ptb are going to take any advantage of wikiLeaks that they can but it's a two edged sword.The more they try to shut wiki down and reduce freedom of speech then the more obvious it's going to be to lots of people that something isn't quite right.This is what they are most afraid of in my opinion.

There is going to be a lot more revelations about what's been going on in the world behind the scenes that should still make its way out into the public arena.I doubt that the ptb can stop a lot of this info from making it out.

I would imagine that the diplomatic leaks are already having an effect on individual diplomats all around the world.Each individual diplomat and consular staff member should be a lot more aware and self conscious from now on and i don't mean in a secretive way.They might be aware to be seen to be doing the right thing now more than they used to.They will also be much more guarded when dealing with other diplomats ect.The effects from this are an unknown factor.

If leaks come out involving banks,ufo's etc then this could have a large impact on the average persons awareness of what's been going on here on the 3rd rock from the sun.

Interesting times indeed

[mrmalco]

A News Report last night said the JA has distributed Wikileaks info to over 1000 people in case WL is permanently taken down. Wise.

[irishspirit]

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says Tom Flanagan — a former senior adviser to the prime minister — should be charged with incitement to commit murder for calling for Assange's assassination.

Assange was asked during a live Q&A Friday on the website of the Guardian newspaper about Flanagan's comments earlier this week.

"It is correct that Mr. Flanagan and the others seriously making these statements should be charged with incitement to commit murder," Assange replied.

Flanagan, a University of Calgary professor who once served as Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff during his days as Opposition leader, has said he regrets his "glib" comment on CBC's Power & Politics with Evan Solomon calling for the assassination of Assange.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/12/03/wikileaks-assange-flanagan.html#ixzz17Ey1gAYZ

[freespirit]

A News Report last night said the JA has distributed Wikileaks info to over 1000 people in case WL is permanently taken down. Wise.

I dont know if it is my connection or even if my ISP is doing the blocking but I cant the wiki site up.
Has anybody tried lately ? and when ?

fr

[irishspirit]

I dont know if it is my connection or even if my ISP is doing the blocking but I cant the wiki site up.
Has anybody tried lately ? and when ?

fr

They are attacking it on an ongoing bases..

Here is a link for a new site.

http://go.wleaks.org/

[Ixopoborn]

I have read most but not all posts on this SUPER IMPORTANT thread.

Julian's UK solicitor was interviewed on UK television early this morning, the Andrew Marr breakfast programme on BBC1. He gave an extremely good account of himself - clearly Julian has "top gun" legal representation in the UK.

Julian’s solicitor drew attention to many highly suspicious patterns of behaviour of the authorities in Sweden in this matter. He said that all approaches from his legal team to the Swedish authorities have been totally ignored - extremely strange given the Swedish authorities wish to speak with Julian. There is no criminal charge - only untested allegations of a sexual nature.

Julian’s solicitor made very plain the highly unusual stance the Swedes are taking to his approaches. That we have no information on the credentials of the complainants stinks to high heaven of deceitful behaviour on the part of the Swedish legal system. The mind boggles at what credentials these Swedish females possess!

Julian’s solicitor made clear that Sweden has a long history of sucking up to the USA by slavishly extraditing any poor individual the USA authorities request without due process or enquiry. Hence, the suspicion is that the allegations are nothing more than an attempt to lure Julian to travel to Sweden to deal face to face with the police for the purpose of demolishing the sex charges only to find that he is then extradited to the USA to face completely separate and as yet unannounced charges!

There is no doubt that Julian is playing a high stakes dangerous game. I, for one, will support him in the same way as I announced support for Jane Burgermeister. This is a matter of crucial importance over which I am prepared to fight with all my energy and heart if anyone tries to illegally stop this man.

The ideological war in which we are now engaged concerns a number of things at stake, not least of which is our future definition of the word, “truth”. Will we any longer accept for a multiplicity of “truths” all different depending upon the context and background circumstances. Or, do we now demand one indivisible truth. The Wikileaks revelations are going to deeply to embarrass folk short term but such embarrassment is necessary as part of the transition to indivisible truths – the very stuff of the future I am calling into being now.

Recently, I listened to Ann Widdecombe speak in anticipation of the latest bout of Wikileaks. She said that highly frank confidential briefings are absolutely essential for good government decision making. I agree BUT the new mode is to say nothing behind closed doors that you would not say to someone’s face.

I invite all Avalonians to consider carefully why they subscribe to this forum - stand up and fight for liberty here if nowhere else. This matter is of crucial importance to the future of humanity. I invite all Avalonians to become extremely active about any attempt to falsely attack Julian Assange, Jane Burgermeister, Bill Ryan or any other activist truth seeker.

OUR VERY FUTURE DEPENDS UPON IT.

[DawgBone]

All they need is 'the right incident" to justify bringing on full control. Like "Internet Terrorism"?

The next step is an internet version of the "Patriot Act". I wonder how long they have been writing this one?

[Zillah]

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says Tom Flanagan — a former senior adviser to the prime minister — should be charged with incitement to commit murder for calling for Assange's assassination.

Assange was asked during a live Q&A Friday on the website of the Guardian newspaper about Flanagan's comments earlier this week.

"It is correct that Mr. Flanagan and the others seriously making these statements should be charged with incitement to commit murder," Assange replied.

Flanagan, a University of Calgary professor who once served as Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff during his days as Opposition leader, has said he regrets his "glib" comment on CBC's Power & Politics with Evan Solomon calling for the assassination of Assange.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/12/03/wikileaks-assange-flanagan.html#ixzz17Ey1gAYZ

if you missed the clip, here it is below. just look at the response (both verbally and bodily) from the other participants.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtIafdoH_g&feature=player_embedded

[Ahkenaten]

All this shrill attack on Assange is yet another distraction technique - the old divide and conquer game. Plus the rhetoric throws red meat at a restless and angry population looking for someone to blame their woes on. In my opinion, TPTB are looking to have it both ways, do damage control concerning embarrassing leaks by claiming the info was no big deal anyway and undermining the Wikileaks brand and Assange personally (the so-called rape charges to the best of my knowledge, are non-existent. It appears that what he may be charged with is sexual misbehavior because allegedly during consensual sex with an adult the condom used broke! Isn't that INSANE!!) AND simultaneously stirring up a furor by claiming that lives have been lost, endangered, etc. Frankly the extent that they are going on this only shows how scared TPTB are over all this...................they clearly have lost control of the playing field. To my knowledge, other than threats and intimidation, there is no way they can muzzle Wikileaks - especially their 'insurance policy file' that has already been distributed and is waiting only for an encryption key to be opened by over 100,000 who have already downloaded it - UNLESS they take down the entire worldwide web. I don't think THEY can do that now...........the internet has taken on a life of its own and is essential to communications and commerce. There MUST be something that TPTB fear very, very much about this information and/or the potential of other even more damaging information coming forward from whistleblowers.

I went online last night to a very big MSM news website where there was an ongoing blog on the subject of Wikileaks ........ as of last night there had been 35,000 comments posted and the blog was rolling along at a clip. When I looked at the initial comments, virtually 95% were in support of Wikileaks with a few derogatory comments. WELL THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE to someone and by mid-stream clearly troll teams had been assigned to insert negatives into the discussion effectively hyjacking the discussion. Those negatives ranged from the usual adolescent name-calling to threats to kill Assange. As I looked at all this I was reminded of the same thing that happened on these same sites during the run-up to Iraq War II, and the remarks, I am sure, came from the same crew. I suspect that the US Government dispatches attack teams to swarm these sites with government-friendly remarks because clearly those doing so were working shifts and seemed to me to be young very poorly educated males that you would find in the US army.

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJeDm8651E&feature=player_embedded#!

[irishspirit]

The Republican leader in the United States Senate has called WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange a "high-tech terrorist".

US anger is intensifying as WikiLeaks continues to release classified US diplomatic cables.

Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell says Assange should be prosecuted by US authorities.

The conservative Kentucky senator says Congress should change the law if necessary to pursue the 39-year-old Australian.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/06/3085243.htm?section=world

[irishspirit]

Bank of America stocks drop on WikiLeaks worries

Shares in Bank of America, the largest US bank, tumbled more than three percent Tuesday amid speculation it will be the next target of leaked documents from WikiLeaks.

Shares closed 3.18 percent lower at 10.95 dollars.

In an interview published Monday by Forbes magazine, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange claimed a fresh "megaleak" will target a major US bank "early next year."

Assange said the bank leak would "give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume."

The controversial Australian said that he was ready to unleash tens of thousands of documents that could "take down a bank or two."

http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/371618/bank_of_america__stocks_drop_on_wikileaks_worries/

[Ahkenaten]

I for one would be curious as to the financial impact on Pay Pal and Amazon over disclosures of their treatment of Wikileaks. I called Pay Pal yesterday to cancel my account (I also canceled my Amazon account) and had to wait almost 10 minutes to get through to a customer service rep. I could hear in the boiler room in the background that their call center was VERY busy. The guy asked why I was canceling and I told him. Ditto for Amazon. I can;t help but think that public backlash against heavy-handed treatment of Wikileaks, especially amongst the users of the internet where both have built their clientele, will have an extremely negative effect on these people as people vote with their pocket-books.

[irishspirit]

I for one would be curious as to the financial impact on Pay Pal and Amazon over disclosures of their treatment of Wikileaks. I called Pay Pal yesterday to cancel my account (I also canceled my Amazon account) and had to wait almost 10 minutes to get through to a customer service rep. I could hear in the boiler room in the background that their call center was VERY busy. The guy asked why I was canceling and I told him. Ditto for Amazon. I can;t help but think that public backlash against heavy-handed treatment of Wikileaks, especially amongst the users of the internet where both have built their clientele, will have an extremely negative effect on these people as people vote with their pocket-books.

That is an excellent point. However, I think that it is the government behind this decision to pull their pay-pal account. To much pressure from tptb me thinks.

Good call on standing up for your convictions.

[irishspirit]

Under pressure, WikiLeaks asks supporters for mirror sites

(CNN) -- Under heavy pressure from the United States and allied governments, WikiLeaks appealed to supporters worldwide to mirror its website Sunday as it continued the process of releasing thousands of sensitive U.S. diplomatic cables.

"Wikileaks is currently under heavy attack. In order to make it impossible to ever fully remove Wikileaks from the Internet, we need your help," the site told followers Sunday. The message was followed by instructions on how website operators could set up mirror sites that would distribute the documents as WikiLeaks released them.

On the microblogging site Twitter, supporters have rallied by offering their sites or by posting links to other mirrors. In an echo of "Spartacus," the 1960 film classic about a slave revolt against ancient Rome, many adopted the hashtag #imwikileaks.

"All the censoring of WikiLeaks is more alarming than the actual content of the leaks. It only further justifies WL's actions," read one widely distributed comment.

WikiLeaks, which facilitates the anonymous leaking of secret information, began posting the first of more than 250,000 U.S. State Department documents last week. Since then, the site has been hit with denial-of-service attacks, been kicked off servers in the United States and France, and lost a major revenue source on Friday when the U.S.-based PayPal cut off its account.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/12/05/wikileaks/index.html?eref=rss_world&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_world+%28RSS%3A+World%29

[Anchor]

Here is a useful link if you need to track the location of the WL archive that does not need the DNS

http://savewikileaks.net/another-wikileaks-address/

Here is some /. commentary that sums up my views




Exactly. I do not like what Wikileaks has done, but even so I can be the devil's advocate, and say that EVERYONE should be pissed at Assange. Those that want the information to be free should be very concerned that Assange wants to release it piece meal, ramp up the drama and attention to him and his site as much as possible, and provide commentary (aka judgment) regarding the information. All this is doing is giving time for him and his site to be taken down. The US may move rather slowly and clumsily over these sorts of affairs, having to check the legality of this and that and get allies involved, etc, but given enough time, there's a good chance they will be able to get Assange on something.

The files should ALL be placed online, in a distributed manner, and be done with. Not be Assange's little plaything to manipulate and play around with. Really, this guy has a major ego / power complex, and it will cost him eventually.

[Ahkenaten]

The analogy to a revolt of the slaves is perfectly appropriate for those who object to the rough handling of Wikipedia and the draconian efforts to muzzle them are in fact revolting against a tyrannical system. The information stream is very important for without information how would it even begin to occur to most people that they are in fact enslaved and have been for thousands of years by the very same people and forces that together conspire to continue to enslave us to this day.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Isn't China attempting to keep Wikileaks from the public?


At least six people have been killed and 38 others injured in an explosion at an internet cafe in China's southwestern province of Guizhou.

Officials said the blast late on Saturday in Kaili city appeared to be caused by "inflammable and explosive materials" stored near the cafe, located under a bridge.

story link (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/12/201012565539193776.html)

[Ahkenaten]

China is always a special case............the Han dynasty is alive and well to this day I am afraid. Again it is all about elites controlling the larger population.

[jcocks]

Is it possible that this wikileaks saga is the "tipping point" that was talked about by half-past-human?

I mean - we know what has been released so far, but that's only the tip of a fairly large iceberg. Who know what else will be relased soon?

The other thing is, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that wikileaks itself is slowly going viral. Pretty soon there will be so many copies on the internet it will be almost impossible to shut down (without, of course, shutting down the internet itself).....

[Ahkenaten]

Well I am not sure about Clif's predictions but I personally feel that the battle has been joined. Whatever people may say about Assange I am sure he knew what to do with his insurance policy and if what has been reported about it being in the hands of 100,000 people around the world who are only waiting for the encryption key to unlock the contents IF something should happen to Wikileaks or Assange - well, there must be something in those files that some people are very nervous about hitting the airwaves. One other theory that has gotten attention here is that this entire thing is merely another cointel ops game - and that people behind the scenes control Wikileaks and Assange and they are doing all this for some other purpose..................I guess we will have a good idea whether that is true or not by whatever happens next.

[jcocks]

It may be a very public "white hats" vs "black hats" battle that we are seeing waged right before our very eyes.

Times are at their most interesting in recent human history right now - and they're not about to let up for a long time....

(Personally I'm interested to see what Assange has in the way of UFO docs. It sounds as if he's downplaying them somewhat, but I'm of the feeling that it'll be those that really shake things up.)

[Ahkenaten]

It may be a very public "white hats" vs "black hats" battle that we are seeing waged right before our very eyes.

Times are at their most interesting in recent human history right now - and they're not about to let up for a long time....

(Personally I'm interested to see what Assange has in the way of UFO docs. It sounds as if he's downplaying them somewhat, but I'm of the feeling that it'll be those that really shake things up.)


Well they say that the UFO info is 'above top secret' so if he does have info I am sure TPTB are nervous. If he does - I personally suspect it might provide more insight into secret high technologies the govts. are currently using. I think lots of stuff that is seen is ours.....well, we pay for it, but as usual the same suspects want to keep all that secret from us because as the big bad wolf said to Goldilocks it is "All the Better to Eat You With"! So to speak....................................

[jcocks]

The thing is that any ufo info wikileaks releases will be a lot harder to discredit than a lot of the other ufo info out there... There will be a lot more credence given to the info.

This alone gets me excited.

[Sabrina]

One view:

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&max-results=50

[jcocks]

...Which goes back to the comment I made about "white hats" vs "black hats"....

It's hard to know the motivations behind those who provide wikileaks with thier documents, but I highly doubt it's all "evil empire" stuff....

[Zook]

Hi Sabrina,


One view:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&max-results=50

Thank you for this illuminating find. My rational sense, my common sense, and my sixth sense all feel vindicated!

If people here on Avalon and elsewhere think we have time to waste while their engineered chaos is attempting to saturate (from which a New World Order will precipitate), then by all means waste time. The truth may be delayed ... but it will not be denied ... even if it reaches the station a half-minute after the last train had left for the coast.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-BYVeCv6U&feature=fvw

:typing:

ps: I hope Avalonians will turn the worm quickly on the engineered Wikileaks distraction to focus on significant stuff that's simultaeously coming down the pike.

[Ahkenaten]

I would not jump at using this particular website as proof of what Wikileaks is about. If you read the content you will see that it mostly is virulently anti-Israeli and uses a number of unsubstantiated allegations and innuendos to "prove" associations with undesirable causes for example the "fact" that a press conference is held two blocks from the Israeli Embassy in London for one, and the "fact" that telephone numbers are tracked to metropolitan areas in which the CIA has buildings, and the "fact" that his attorney is...........oh well you see where I am going. It seems more likely that this kind of a website is actually created for other purposes ........... i.e. discrediting others by smearing their reputations with unfounded allegations. Just an observation.

Zook - are you trying to get us off the Wikileaks story? OK, if this is unimportant - what is more important that we should be focusing on right now in your opinion??

[jcocks]

Hi Sabrina,



Thank you for this illuminating find. My rational sense, my common sense, and my sixth sense all feel vindicated!

If people here on Avalon and elsewhere think we have time to waste while their engineered chaos is attempting to saturate (from which a New World Order will precipitate), then by all means waste time. The truth may be delayed ... but it will not be denied ... even if it reaches the station a half-minute after the last train had left for the coast.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-BYVeCv6U&feature=fvw

:typing:

ps: I hope Avalonians will turn the worm quickly on the engineered Wikileaks distraction to focus on significant stuff that's simultaeously coming down the pike.

I'm not so sure that there won't be anything released by wikileaks that won't be of note. However, I'm starting to think you're wrong about the NWO. I think we may have missed the boat. There's every possibility that the NWO is alweady in place and already running our world. They've realised that we'll never accept overt central rule, so they've let us have our "elected" puppet leaders to give the illusion of independant countries, states, and leaders - all the while pulling the strings from the shadows.

The thing that sells this idea for me is a post that was made on these forums a little while back, where they compared a pre-iraq war speech given by our ex-PM John Howard and a speech given by the Canadian PM of the time. They were *IDENTICAL*.

So the question is not how do we STOP the NWO from being enacted, but how do we REGAIN control from the NWO...

[Hughe]

Well I am not sure about Clif's predictions but I personally feel that the battle has been joined. Whatever people may say about Assange I am sure he knew what to do with his insurance policy and if what has been reported about it being in the hands of 100,000 people around the world who are only waiting for the encryption key to unlock the contents IF something should happen to Wikileaks or Assange - well, there must be something in those files that some people are very nervous about hitting the airwaves. One other theory that has gotten attention here is that this entire thing is merely another cointel ops game - and that people behind the scenes control Wikileaks and Assange and they are doing all this for some other purpose..................I guess we will have a good idea whether that is true or not by whatever happens next.

I don't do guessing a lot about various whistle blowers intention or agenda or even whose behind. I rather focus on the real facts I like to understand and see. Wikileaks' case are the real U.S official documents! The researchers and professionals already have these classified documents through their sources. So, it's not a big issues for them. But, the average Joes like me it's another confirmation of their understanding of new reality.

Any folks who have common sense and logic already learned what's government all about since the 9/11.

The truth talks as it is. Once information comes out on public domain, it's circulating on Internet and too late to reverse the flow unless TPTB completely shutdown and total control of communication infrastructure like China does.

[Hughe]

So the question is not how do we STOP the NWO from being enacted, but how do we REGAIN control from the NWO...
Absolutely right. How do we get the power back!

[bashi]

It looks like the Mossad had his field-days:

"Turkish Interior Minister Besir Atalay stated from Ankara that "It seems to us that the country which is not mentioned much, especially in the Middle East, or which this development seems to favor, is Israel. This is how we see it in a way when we look in the context of who is benefiting and who is being harmed."

WMR previously reported that Wikileaks, or "WikIsrael", was part of a Mossad operation having links within the neocon and Israel Lobby apparatus of the United States government. Turkey has reasons to be suspicious of the leaks. Various leaked State Department cables suggested that Iran was helping Hamas and secretly helping Iran with its nuclear program.

The notorious pro-Israeli publisher of The New Republic, Martin Peretz, chimed in with a column in his magazine stating that the leaks from the U.S. embassy in Ankara proved that Obama's outreach to the Turkish government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a "failure."

In fact, many of the leaked cables favoring Israel, hostile to Russia and China, or proving very embarrassing to President Obama appear to have been written in total or in part or contain quotes by political appointee or career Jewish diplomats with close ties to Israel and its lobby in the United States: U.S. ambassadors to Turkey Eric Edelman and James Jeffrey; Deputy Secretary of State James B. Steinberg; U.S. ambassador to Brazil Clifford Sobel; U.S. charge d'affaires in Saudi Arabia Michael Gfoeller; Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip H. Gordon; ambassador-at-large Daniel Fried; U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson; among others."



Is anybody really expecting that the fake-rape charges will lead to a prosecution of Assange?
They are made up to provide credibility. Anna Ardin, one of the swedish accusers, threw a party to announce her relationship with "one of the smartest guys in the world", after having sex with Assange, using condom.
So far for reality, folks...

"Israel overplayed its hand with these Wikileaks releases, now it will suffer the 'blow-back."


http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/12/wikileaks-us-hits-back-at-israel/
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/

[Swami]

It looks like the Mossad had his field-days:

"Turkish Interior Minister Besir Atalay stated from Ankara that "It seems to us that the country which is not mentioned much, especially in the Middle East, or which this development seems to favor, is Israel. This is how we see it in a way when we look in the context of who is benefiting and who is being harmed."

WMR previously reported that Wikileaks, or "WikIsrael", was part of a Mossad operation having links within the neocon and Israel Lobby apparatus of the United States government. Turkey has reasons to be suspicious of the leaks. Various leaked State Department cables suggested that Iran was helping Hamas and secretly helping Iran with its nuclear program.

The notorious pro-Israeli publisher of The New Republic, Martin Peretz, chimed in with a column in his magazine stating that the leaks from the U.S. embassy in Ankara proved that Obama's outreach to the Turkish government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a "failure."

In fact, many of the leaked cables favoring Israel, hostile to Russia and China, or proving very embarrassing to President Obama appear to have been written in total or in part or contain quotes by political appointee or career Jewish diplomats with close ties to Israel and its lobby in the United States: U.S. ambassadors to Turkey Eric Edelman and James Jeffrey; Deputy Secretary of State James B. Steinberg; U.S. ambassador to Brazil Clifford Sobel; U.S. charge d'affaires in Saudi Arabia Michael Gfoeller; Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip H. Gordon; ambassador-at-large Daniel Fried; U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson; among others."



Is anybody really expecting that the fake-rape charges will lead to a prosecution of Assange?
They are made up to provide credibility. Anna Ardin, one of the swedish accusers, threw a party to announce her relationship with "one of the smartest guys in the world", after having sex with Assange, using condom.
So far for reality, guys...

"Israel overplayed its hand with these Wikileaks releases, now it will suffer the 'blow-back."


http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/12/wikileaks-us-hits-back-at-israel/
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/

Yep, Its one big fat setup.(IMO)
Just to keep your minds busy...... :becky:

[Ahkenaten]

There sure is a big struggle to put a particular spin on this whole story by all sides isn't there! In any event we will see what is up as the story continues to play out.

[RedeZra]

There's every possibility that the NWO is alweady in place and already running our world.



right but not the whole world yet

that's what the NWO struggle is about... dominion over the whole wide world

[Banshee]

Hear! Hear! I'm in, and will do what I can to help.

Excellent. Now there are three of us. I wonder if the Admins or Bill could start a separate page for this and perhaps call the rest of the Avalonians into action? Doing this would lend a lot of credence to the Alternative Media movement in general.

[Fredkc]

right but not the whole world yet

that's what the NWO struggle is about... dominion over the whole wide world

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Steven Wright

[Zook]

Good morning Jcocks, the Earth says hello!


I'm not so sure that there won't be anything released by wikileaks that won't be of note. However, I'm starting to think you're wrong about the NWO. I think we may have missed the boat. There's every possibility that the NWO is alweady in place and already running our world. They've realised that we'll never accept overt central rule, so they've let us have our "elected" puppet leaders to give the illusion of independant countries, states, and leaders - all the while pulling the strings from the shadows.


When George Bush Sr. talked about bringing in a NWO, he didn't mean the hidden apparatus that existed in the shadows... he meant the time when the apparatus could be brought out into full public view. Until that happens, we are still heading towards a NWO but not there yet. A NWO can only exist if the peoples support it ... otherwise there's only the New World Chaos or the New World Tyranny.



The thing that sells this idea for me is a post that was made on these forums a little while back, where they compared a pre-iraq war speech given by our ex-PM John Howard and a speech given by the Canadian PM of the time. They were *IDENTICAL*.
So the question is not how do we STOP the NWO from being enacted, but how do we REGAIN control from the NWO...

I understand your interpretation. There are semantic differences between your view and mine. I think we can both agree there's an urgent need to fight the existing organizational structure; I think we'll have to agree to disagree as to what to call our enemy. You call it the NWO ... I call it the proto-NWO.

:typing:

[RedeZra]

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Steven Wright


I would put in writing on a sign above my door ; )


here lives

Rex Mundi

[jcocks]

Good morning Jcocks, the Earth says hello!



When George Bush Sr. talked about bringing in a NWO, he didn't mean the hidden apparatus that existed in the shadows... he meant the time when the apparatus could be brought out into full public view. Until that happens, we are still heading towards a NWO but not there yet. A NWO can only exist if the peoples support it ... otherwise there's only the New World Chaos or the New World Tyranny.



I understand your interpretation. There are semantic differences between your view and mine. I think we can both agree there's an urgent need to fight the existing organizational structure; I think we'll have to agree to disagree as to what to call our enemy. You call it the NWO ... I call it the proto-NWO.

:typing:

Well I have a feeling that society on Earth will never fully support an NWO - so they'll never get a public-view NWO in that case.

As for what to call it, NWO or proto-NWO, it is still the same thing. It operates the same way and does the same things as it would if it were a formal world-government with a world president.
I'm not going to argue over petty small things, our enemy is the same in every way.

[jackovesk]

Well I am not sure about Clif's predictions but I personally feel that the battle has been joined. Whatever people may say about Assange I am sure he knew what to do with his insurance policy and if what has been reported about it being in the hands of 100,000 people around the world who are only waiting for the encryption key to unlock the contents IF something should happen to Wikileaks or Assange - well, there must be something in those files that some people are very nervous about hitting the airwaves. One other theory that has gotten attention here is that this entire thing is merely another cointel ops game - and that people behind the scenes control Wikileaks and Assange and they are doing all this for some other purpose..................I guess we will have a good idea whether that is true or not by whatever happens next.

On Alex Jones (Sunday Show) Webster Tarpley covered the latest in the explosive story surrounding Wikileaks.

As you stated Ahkenaten, Wikileaks has recently released an encrypted file which Tarpley says it contains information regarding BP and Guantanamo and Julian Assange states it will become public should they be shut down.

I would say if Assange has the Real Dirt on BP especially, that would be something keeping the PTB from sleeping well at night!

[Zook]

Good morning Ahks, the Earth says hello!


I would not jump at using this particular website as proof of what Wikileaks is about. If you read the content you will see that it mostly is virulently anti-Israeli and uses a number of unsubstantiated allegations and innuendos to "prove" associations with undesirable causes for example the "fact" that a press conference is held two blocks from the Israeli Embassy in London for one, and the "fact" that telephone numbers are tracked to metropolitan areas in which the CIA has buildings, and the "fact" that his attorney is...........oh well you see where I am going. It seems more likely that this kind of a website is actually created for other purposes ........... i.e. discrediting others by smearing their reputations with unfounded allegations. Just an observation.


Given Israel's history of false flags, prevarications, lies, etc. ... I mean, where do you want to start? The Balfour Declaration? The assassination of Folke Bernadotte? The King David Hotel bombings? The Lavon Affair? The USS LIberty attack? Etc. Etc. How about Israel`s fingerprints all over 9/11/2001? The London, Madrid, and Mumbai bombings?? Given all this documented history ... what does it really mean to be an anti-Israel website? Surely, Ahks, objective reality requires giving benefit of doubt to any and every website that paints Israel in its proper dark light. Whether this website has them or not, in sufficient quantity or not, the objective facts in whole are anti-Israel! One doesn't need subjective arguments, then, against the state of Israel. To wit, no rational argument can be made in favor of the tyrannical state of Israel; or for that matter, remain in neutrality to Israel. Such arguments are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

To wit, please don't immediately conclude that websites that only hurl thunderbolts at Israel ... are not giving you the facts. Investigate before you deride such websites. If the facts are not there, then that will be quickly revealed and the website quickly discredited. So ... what proof do you have that the facts are not there at the website provided? All I hear from you is your claim that this website contains unfounded allegations. But where is your proof? Given Israel's blood-stained origins and ongoing bloodletting, you, my friend, have the higher burden of proof over any website or view that is anti-Israel.



Zook - are you trying to get us off the Wikileaks story? OK, if this is unimportant - what is more important that we should be focusing on right now in your opinion??

No. Not at all. Please go back and read what I wrote. I basically threw my arms up in the air and suggested that you waste your time to your heart's content. The last train will likely have left for the coast by the time the truth wills out ... so use your time however you see fit.

:typing:

[jcocks]

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

'nuff said!

[jackovesk]

Wikileaks US Cable confirms what former Sacked PM of Australia Kevin Rudd (NWO Globalist Shill) says behind closed doors...

This Sychophantic Narcisist whose Goal is to become UN Secretary General has also been caught out by WikiLeaks.

If the US is taking advice from a failed PM like Kevin Rudd then, God help us all!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/12/06/1225966/179993-rudd.jpg

From the Australian Newspaper...

"KEVIN Rudd warned the US the world must be prepared to “Deploy Force” if China could not be integrated into the international system… Written by a US diplomat on March 28 last year, a confidential cable details a 75-minute lunch meeting in Washington involving US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Mr Rudd and a coterie of senior advisers and officials, including Australia’s ambassador to Washington, Dennis Richardson…

Written four days after the meeting, the account suggests Mr Rudd took a hawkish view on China’s ascendancy in the Asia region…

Mr Rudd goes on to describe himself as a “brutal realist” on the issue of China and argues for a “multilateral engagement with bilateral vigour”.

“(Which would integrate) China effectively into the international community and (allow) it to demonstrate greater responsibility, all while also preparing to deploy force if everything goes wrong,” the cable quotes Mr Rudd as saying.

Mr Rudd, a Mandarin speaker, said Australia’s intelligence community kept a “close watch” on China’s military modernisation. “(He) indicated the forthcoming Australian Defence white paper’s focus on naval capability is a response to China’s growing ability to project force,” the cable said."

Kevin Rudd's plan to contain Beijing...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/kevin-rudds-plan-to-contain-beijing/story-fn59niix-1225966044004

All this Crap coming from the Australian Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd who both he and his office privately referred to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon as ‘’Spanky Banky’’, a new book has claimed.

In his book ‘Party Thieves’, ABC TV’s Barrie Cassidy has written that Rudd told a group of journalists that “in the office, we call him Spanky Banky!,” referring to Ban, the South Korean-origin UN chief.

“Spanky Banky? That would be the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the first person that Rudd formally approached about a job when he lost the one he had,” Cassidy wrote in the book, published by Melbourne University Press and released today.
“It was yet another of those juvenile and totally inappropriate remarks that so often left those around him wondering what he’d done with all that diplomatic training.”

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/105471/kevin-rudd-called-un-chief.html

And this BUMBLING IDIOT is in charge of Australia's Foreign Policy and wants to become the next UN Secretary General..!

You Just Can't make this Stuff Up..!

[irishspirit]

Outspoken neocon and former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich told Fox’s Judge Napolitano over the weekend that Wikileaks is a terrorist organization and its founder Julian Assange should be considered an enemy combatant.

Gingrich also appeared on Fox News with Chris Wallace. “I approach this very seriously,” Gingrich told Wallace. “Information warfare is warfare. Julian Assange is engaged in warfare.”

“Information terrorism, which leads to people getting killed is terrorism. And Julian Assange is engaged in terrorism,” he said.

Gingrich is advocating either the murder of Julian Assange or that he be subject to extraordinary rendition – hunted down, kidnapped, and sent to a secret CIA torture center in Egypt or Poland.

Newt considers Assange on par with Maher Arar, the Canadian citizen who was kidnapped and sent bound in chains to Syria to be tortured until he signed a confession stating he was with al-CIA-duh.

http://www.infowars.com/newt-gingrich-julian-assange-is-enemy-combatant-engged-in-warfare/

[irishspirit]

Swiss Post closes WikiLeaks founder's bank account

The Swiss Post Office's banking arm said on Monday that it had closed an account set up by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange after he gave false information.

"PostFinance has ended its business relationship with WikiLeaks founder Julian Paul Assange," the bank said in a statement.

"The Australian citizen provided false information regarding his place of residence during the account opening process."

http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/swiss-news/swiss-post-closes-wikileaks-founder-s-bank-account_115521.html

WOW! The attacks kee[p coming. They really do fear this man, or they are all playing the game very well.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Is the Internet 9/11 Under Way?

Lessons of 9/11

While 9/11 served as a wake up call to those awake and aware enough to see the obvious demolitions and misinformation and resultant "Pearl Harbor" effect, most of the world fell for it. And now people are literally bending over, as in airport 'screenings', to the onslaught of police state fascism worldwide. It's staggering. In fact, it's Orwellian. The armies, police and private sector are at war with the vague concept of terrorism - an unbeatable enemy in a war that can be drawn out indefinitely and fought in any arena necessary.

And what was the result of this declared war on terrorism? Not a war on terror, but an increase in fear and terror, all to justify the economic, social and political clampdown that has followed.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/294/056/Is_the_Internet_9_11_Under_Way.html

[RedeZra]

They really do fear this man, or they are all playing the game very well.


well they've been playing us for a couple of centuries already ; )

[irishspirit]

One of the early members and co-founders of the tight-knit, secretive WikiLeaks operation charged today that the website and its co-founder, Julian Assange, sold intelligence information the site had obtained.

John Young, whose name was listed as the public face of WikiLeaks in the site's original domain registration, also alleged that the website is a lucrative business.

Young said he left the site in 2007 due to concerns over its finances and that WikiLeaks was engaged in the selling of documents.

Young was speaking today to WND senior reporter Aaron Klein on Klein's radio program on New York's WABC Radio.

"I think it is a money-making operation, no doubt," Young said of WikiLeaks.

"It follows the model of a number of other business intelligence operations. Selling intelligence information is a very lucrative field, and so they are following that model, usually cloaked in some kind of public benefit," he told Klein.

"But they are far from being the only one that does that," Young added. "It's a well-known business model.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=236345

[Fredkc]

Newt Gingrich told Fox’s Judge Napolitano over the weekend that Wikileaks is a terrorist organization and its founder Julian Assange should be considered an enemy combatant.
http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Newt is a psychotic Neo-Con! (Means he is Fascist, not Conservative!
He isn't qualified to point fingers, call names, or make any recommendations as to what's to be done about anyone.

After all, what's it worth when a traitor calls someone an enemy?
Fred

[irishspirit]

Arrest Warrant issued for head off wikileaks.

More to follow

[Ahkenaten]

Mr. Zook I understand what you are saying but consider this:

1.) It would be a wonderful weapon would it not, to gather the existing mistrust and hatred of the people and redirect it towards in this case Wikileaks and THE PERSON of J.A.

2.) You have been seduced into a very common logical fallacy, i.e. the train of logic used by this website (referred to you by Sabrina) is something like this, "OK prove to me that Wikileaks/J.A. is NOT a tool of (substitute here any number of hated entities) and then he will be vindicated. It is not logically possible to disprove a negative. This is similar to the ridiculous charade the US was presenting to the UN during the ramp-up to Iraq War II when the US-crafted resolution actually was worded such that Iraq would have had to PROVE that it did not have WMD in order to avoid being attacked, an impossibility! It also is similar to the Salem Witch trials in which the accused, in order to exonerate themselves and prove their innocence, must DROWN during dunking.

When searching for the TRUTH we must be as razor-sharp as our dialectical opponents. The debate should NOT be about Israel, Christianity, Islam, or whether this or that public figure is associated with child pornography in any way. If we are not careful our minds can be used against ourselves thereby proving to our cynical controllers that we do not deserve our freedom because we do not know how to think and therefor cannot hope to defend ourselves against them.

The debate, if any, in my opinion, should be about facts - and what exactly is so frightening to TPTB that they are going to this extent to try to undermine the brand and reputation of what could well be an INSTRUMENT that reveals even one piece of the truth - in advance of all the information coming out and being digested by the public? Notice no facts in information released are disputed .............even some of the juicy bits that have already come out that are not merely trivia!

Lastly look at this fact: how is it that TPTB are deploying two mutually exclusive and contradictory tactics in their attack plan, i.e. on the one hand pooh-poohing any info leaked as being really not significant and only gossip without any real import - AND on the other calling for the execution/assassination of the INSTRUMENT because what has been done is so terrible, damaging, causing loss of life, etc? How do those two ideas co-exist? And yet this is precisely the strategy that is being deployed. They apparently are also beta-testing whether their plans to debase us by systematically dumbing down the population through a fake education system has worked!

They are desperate and are actually showing signs of insanity in my opinion. Two mutually exclusive ideas attempting to occupy the same psychic space inevitably causes the psyche to crack. What we are seeing here is tantamount to a mental break-down at the highest levels of the control paradigm.

Anyway - enough analysis of the underpinnings from me. From this point forward I am simply going to be an observer of what happens and confine my comments to that.

I hope I have made somewhat of a contribution to the discussion.

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDmtmCgcPhQ&feature=player_embedded

[irishspirit]

Correction, UK has only received warrant, but may issue it shortly.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks

[irishspirit]

Scotland Yard has received the paperwork required to arrest WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, sources say.

A fresh European Arrest Warrant has been issued by the authorities in Sweden where he is wanted for questioning over claims of sexual assault.

Mark Stephens, who represents the 39-year-old Australian former computer hacker, said he would fight any move to extradite his client.

But the move means there is no longer any legal impediment to holding Mr Assange and making him appear before City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.

Mr Assange is believed to be in hiding in south-east England as the latest publications on his whistle-blowing website fuel global uproar

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jjRMRuCBXSOQ2cH2l1m1SjHL9WlA?docId=N0469151291651750679A

[irishspirit]

Holder: 'Significant' actions taken in WikiLeaks investigation

Washington (CNN) -- Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday that he has authorized "significant" actions related to the criminal investigation of WikiLeaks as the website faces increasing pressure worldwide for publishing sensitive U.S. diplomatic cables.

"National security of the United States has been put at risk," Holder said. "The lives of people who work for the American people have been put at risk. The American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that I believe are arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/12/06/wikileaks.investigation/

Who has issued that warrant? Sweden or the US? DAMN!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Twitter excluding Wikileaks from trends?

It's been a rough week for Wikileaks. Forcibly evicted by Amazon, a massive hack attack and now, bloggers who are making a case — using lots of graphs — about how Twitter seems to have dampened the Wikileaks discussion by not listing it amongst the top trending topics, therefore misleading its audience about the pervasiveness of the topic over time.

Searching for news about Wikileaks isn't hard. Just type in the name on Twitter and you'll receive plenty to chew on. But typically, the search terms listed under the "Trends" sidebar on the right-hand side give a barometer of what's hot on the site, and presumably, what's shaking in the world of online discussions.

The blogger known as "bubbloy" has written an extensive post about this, which spilled over into a 100+ comments on his safety first ("this site is about things thought through") blog. Historian Angus Johnston also tackled the subject on his "Student Activism" blog, drawing a Twitter staffer into a conversation via the comments that followed his post.

Bubbloy's background in theoretical biological physics & systems biology, as well as a love of math, is apparent in the blogger's approach and response to "a growing feeling of unease that Twitter was actively censoring the discussion of Wikileaks."

He ran a series of analyses that cast at least some doubt on how trends appear on Twitter.

"...From news stories to the latest buzz about movies or music, the trending topics reflect what new or newsworthy topics are occupying the most people's attention on Twitter at any one time."
- Twitter Help Center

If that's so, there would be every expectation that every single phrase listed as a trending topic by Twitter would outperform the hashtag #Wikileaks, since it is omitted from this list. However, trendistic.com allows me to plot this data, and it simply is not the case.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/06/5595811-twitter-excluding-wikileaks-from-trends

[Ahkenaten]

yeah and in the meantime we are witnessing the Samson effect as TPTB hysterically pull the walls and columns of their Temple down around us

[irishspirit]

yeah and in the meantime we are witnessing the Samson effect as TPTB hysterically pull the walls and columns of their Temple down around us

I agree with you on that 1 million percent.

But I did notice whilst this has been the big story today, Obama has give his tax breaks to the Rich, no news coverage on this!

[irishspirit]

Obama should resign if approved UN spying: WikiLeaks founder

MADRID — President Barack Obama should resign if it can be shown that he approved spying by US diplomatic figures on UN officials, the founder of WikiLeaks said in an interview published Sunday.

"The whole chain of command who was aware of this order, and approved it, must resign if the US is to be seen to be a credible nation that obeys the rule of law. The order is so serious it may well have been put to the president for approval," Julian Assange told Spanish daily El Pais.

"Obama must answer what he knew about this illegal order and when. If he refuses to answer or there is evidence he approved of these actions, he must resign," he added during an Internet chat interview published online.

WikiLeaks threw US diplomacy into chaos when it started releasing more than 250,000 classified State Department cables on November 28, creating an international firestorm as American diplomats' private assessments of foreign leaders and politics have been publicly aired.

According to one of the documents, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked for UN personnel's telephones, emails, credit card details and frequent flier numbers.

The United States and other governments said the release of the documents broke their laws.

Assange gave the interview to El Pais on Saturday from an undisclosed location. The 39-year-old Australian is believed to be in Britain, and a report said he could be arrested this week.

WikiLeaks has come under intense pressure to close since it began releasing the trove of US State Department cables.

The site has already been forced to change its domain name and hop-scotch to servers around the globe as successive companies and countries bent to US arguments branding its divulgations over the past week "illegal".

It has also come under repeated cyber-attack, through a tactic known as distributed denial of service (DDoS) in which thousands of computers connect to its servers in a concerted attempt to knock them off-line.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5igLhpFXyv-VRG5thAgiJk0OORBNw?docId=CNG.7936abe2aac85ef50ca11a2d6b6c031b.dc1

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Government departments have been ordered to review IT security in response to the WikiLeaks cables, the latest of which revealed a secret list of sites which could "critically impact" US security if they were attacked by terrorists.

WikiLeaks Prompts Review Of Govt IT Security

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5:54pm UK, Monday December 06, 2010

Andy Winter and Ruth Barnett, Sky News Online
Government departments have been ordered to review IT security in response to the WikiLeaks cables, the latest of which revealed a secret list of sites which could "critically impact" US security if they were attacked by terrorists.

Sir Peter Ricketts, the Prime Minister's national security adviser, has asked for "assurances" from all departments.

He has written to each of them, Home Secretary Theresa May told MPs.

Sources said Scotland Yard had received the paperwork it would require to arrest Julian Assange, the website's founder, who is believed to be hiding in the south east of England.

Sweden has issued a fresh European Arrest Warrant as they wish to speak to Mr Assange on claims of sexual assault.

The whistleblowing website also issued a statement saying a Swiss bank had frozen an account would was to be used to fund his defence.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/WikiLeaks-US-List-Of-Most-Critical-Global-Facilities-And-Assets-Leaked-By-Whistleblowing-Website/Article/201012115848354?f=rss

[Ahkenaten]

Irish on the so-called US budget compromise - some compromise eh? I mean true fiscal responsibility, eh? The deal being unemployment insurance benefit extension in exchange for indefinite extension of tax breaks for the extremely wealthy? What zero-sum solution is that? Trading pennies (ext. ue benefits) for the TRILLIONS of dollars in lost tax revenues that extending tax breaks for the wealthy means? And all of this in the name of fiscal responsibility (the so-called Republicans) AND addressing the needs of the down-trodden lower classes (The so-called Democrats).....the contradictions in all this nonsense may even penetrate the leathery minds of the most ardent Mad-Hatter Tea Party activists.............................another sign to me that the paradigm is teetering. The system is in radical disequilibrium. I really think it has spun out of TPTB's control.......................that is why the level of hysteria has risen to what one might find in an insane assylum under attack by hornets.

Just a legal nicety of course - but has anyone actually seen the language in the arrest warrant? Is there any clear idea of what exactly J.A. is being charged with, or has Merrie Olde England and Sweden also disposed of the Writ of Habeaus Corpus? We know the US has - needless to say Interpol never bothered with such bothersome details.

I know I said I wouldn't say much more about this topic but I can't resist..............anyone who has everyone as their enemy can't be all wrong!! :rolleyes: sorry

[Banshee]

Obama should resign if approved UN spying: WikiLeaks founder

MADRID — President Barack Obama should resign if it can be shown that he approved spying by US diplomatic figures on UN officials, the founder of WikiLeaks said in an interview published Sunday.

"The whole chain of command who was aware of this order, and approved it, must resign if the US is to be seen to be a credible nation that obeys the rule of law. The order is so serious it may well have been put to the president for approval," Julian Assange told Spanish daily El Pais.

"Obama must answer what he knew about this illegal order and when. If he refuses to answer or there is evidence he approved of these actions, he must resign," he added during an Internet chat interview published online.

Could this really be as simple as this? Is this the motivation of the leaks?

[Ahkenaten]

Well as Alice said things just get curioser and curioser. The entire idea of rule of law and order is a very important concept. If it can be proven by facts that the US is a rogue nation and willfully disobeys not only its own laws but also international laws, the whole concept underlying relations between nations is broken. The question then arises as to what system of international self-governance exists if any at all? And if such does exist, why is it completely black and secret, for whose interests was such a system constructed and to WHOM are we all, if to anyone, accountable? This issue is very important and not merely icing on the cake.

[Banshee]

. If it can be proven by facts that the US is a rogue nation and willfully disobeys not only its own laws but also international laws, .

Me thinks this was proven on March 19, 2003. IMHO.

[irishspirit]

Julian Assange may sue PM for slander as WikiLeaks publishes fresh lists

WHISTLEBLOWER Julian Assange is to seek consular assistance from Australian authorities in Britain and Sweden.

It comes as Mr Assange's WikiLeaks website has been accused of helping terrorists by releasing a classified US document that lists critical assets around the world, including in Australia.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/wikileaks-cables-reveals-australian-terror-targets/story-e6frfkyi-1225966699674#ixzz17MZKMDZk

[Ahkenaten]

The analyst that commented that the list of Australian assets indicated that the diplomats did not take their task seriously was correct. A number of genuinely important assets were totally left off the list.

Yeah Banshee the March 2003 date was a critical one and let us not forget the care taken that all action be taken under COLOR OF LAW

[Ixopoborn]

I have today written to UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, in the following terms.

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I invite eveyone reading this thread to do similarly.

[Ixopoborn]

I have today written to UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, in the following terms.

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Mr D Cameron
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA



6 December 2010

Dear Mr Cameron

I want to express my disapproval of No 10's attack on Wikileaks and Julian Assange.

However embarrassing it gets, the UK government should take no action to interfere with the freedom of Wikileaks to publish any information it receives.

The very future of democracy is in doubt unless the UK government now makes clear its unrestrained support for freedom of speech and freedom of expression including all that Wikileaks has and might in the future publish. Let the British government act proactively and be the first to announce new and improved standards of transparency in all diplomatic and international relations.

If the UK government accedes to any deportation of Julian Assange, I and many others in the UK will do all we can to prevent any further harm to the cause of freedom of expression, Wikileaks or anyone connected with Wikileaks.

Take a bold stand in support of Wikileaks and its catalysing role to improve the integrity and truthfulness of government.



Yours sincerely


I invite eveyone reading this thread to do similarly.

[Ahkenaten]

Ixopoborn - a very courageous and principled letter to #10. I would that more demonstrated such principles in action. Bravo.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Iran, North Korea and now... Syria...


Syria's Assad seems to suggest backing for Hamas negotiable, leaked cables say
But even as President Bashar Assad appeared willing to reduce ties with the Palestinian militant group ruling the Gaza Strip, he brushed off pressure to alter the dynamics of his friendship with Iran.


Reporting from Beirut —
Syrian President Bashar Assad described Hamas as an "uninvited guest" in his country in confidential conversations with American lawmakers, and appeared to suggest he would be willing to give up the alliance in exchange for incentives, according to several documents contained in the trove of leaked diplomatic cables posted online by the website WikiLeaks.

But even as Assad appeared willing to downgrade ties with the Palestinian militant group that rules the Gaza Strip, he brushed off pressure to change the dynamics of his friendship with Iran. He argued against his government putting pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program in exchange for a peace deal between Syria and Israel...


Although Syria has forged strategic alliances with ideologically driven, Iranian-backed movements such as Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Hamas, Damascus continues to view the rise of political Islam as one of its primary internal threats. Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal has resided in Damascus since 2001, but such a blunt assessment of the group by Assad hasn't been made public before.

"Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood, but we have to deal with the reality of their presence," Assad told another group of American lawmakers in March 2009, according to an additional leaked cable, calling the Islamic movement an "uninvited guest" and likening it to the same Muslim Brotherhood his father, Hafez Assad, brutally uprooted from Syria in the 1980s.

In none of the dispatches does the younger Assad explicitly say that he would cut ties with Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran in exchange for the return of the Golan Heights, which was seized by Israel during the 1967 Middle East War. But he emphasized in the more recent meeting with U.S. lawmakers that the Golan Heights "is our issue," according to the January 2010 confidential dispatch.

full story (http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/la-fg-wikileaks-syria-20101202,0,7037756.story)

[Anchor]

Why, given the serious threats/problems and challenges stacking up against Assange, have less than 1% of the cables been released?

[Ahkenaten]

John - Good question. I have no idea. Do you mean 1% of the 260K documents? Or are you talking about the 'Insurance Policy' documents? If you are referring to the 260K dump, where did you get your 1% figure? Thanks!!

[Anchor]

Less than 1000 of the 260k are leaked so far. (So actually less than 0.5% but I had my estimating hat on)

[Ahkenaten]

WOAH now that is weird! Considering all the hysterics doesn't that seem even more weird?? We are surely living in a strange reality. I wonder where the *^*&%%@ the other documents are??

Considering that, if what you say is true, so few actually have dripped out, can you imagine what will happen if the whole 260K + the "insurance policy" docs come out? Seems like the lid is about to blow off the can.

[Zook]

Mr. Zook I understand what you are saying but consider this:
1.) It would be a wonderful weapon would it not, to gather the existing mistrust and hatred of the people and redirect it towards in this case Wikileaks and THE PERSON of J.A.


Yes.

But it would also be a wonderful weapon to use JA+Wikileaks (unlike others, I see no meaningful separation here) ... to distract people with designed walkthroughs through a limited subset of the total set of all available monitored communications (e.g. with Wikileaks representing only a tiny piece - a sliver - of the eavesdropping pie). Distraction, confusion, information overload ... these all fund chaos. At some point, threshold chaos will be reached and TMastardsTB will then try to precipitate their New World Order. IMHO, Wikileaks shares a role similar to the Pied Piper of Hamlin.



2.) You have been seduced into a very common logical fallacy, i.e. the train of logic used by this website (referred to you by Sabrina) is something like this, "OK prove to me that Wikileaks/J.A. is NOT a tool of (substitute here any number of hated entities) and then he will be vindicated. It is not logically possible to disprove a negative. This is similar to the ridiculous charade the US was presenting to the UN during the ramp-up to Iraq War II when the US-crafted resolution actually was worded such that Iraq would have had to PROVE that it did not have WMD in order to avoid being attacked, an impossibility! It also is similar to the Salem Witch trials in which the accused, in order to exonerate themselves and prove their innocence, must DROWN during dunking.


Point taken. But you're the one who claimed unfounded allegations were being made. Your claim presupposes privileged knowledge. When I asked you to prove/show this privileged knowledge, I did not send you to the haystack for a needle; I logically assumed you had the needle already in your possession, e.g. that would contradict at least one of the allegations made by the website. All that was required is one piece of contradictory evidence to justify your statement of unfounded allegations. And that, Ahks, is not a logical fallacy. To wit, you rescued me from the fallacy by your own proactive claim. Otherwise, you would have been correct ... it would have been a logical fallacy. For instance, had you said nothing and I asked you to disprove any of the claims on the website ... then I would have indeed been guilty of the fallacy.



When searching for the TRUTH we must be as razor-sharp as our dialectical opponents. The debate should NOT be about Israel, Christianity, Islam, or whether this or that public figure is associated with child pornography in any way. If we are not careful our minds can be used against ourselves thereby proving to our cynical controllers that we do not deserve our freedom because we do not know how to think and therefor cannot hope to defend ourselves against them.


With due respect, Ahks, I limited the debate to Israel. Israel and Zionism (the bankster operation masked as an ethnoreligious movement). I said nothing about the region's religions or peoples. I said nothing about hypothetical charges of paedophilia against hypothetical public persons. Those are canards. I alluded to only that which I can prove with documents, facts, and logical connectors. Everything that I laid out against the virtual Rothschild estate and modern state of Israel ... is truthful. To wit, I do think I know a thing or two about thinking. But thanks for watching my back. LOL!



The debate, if any, in my opinion, should be about facts - and what exactly is so frightening to TPTB that they are going to this extent to try to undermine the brand and reputation of what could well be an INSTRUMENT that reveals even one piece of the truth - in advance of all the information coming out and being digested by the public? Notice no facts in information released are disputed .............even some of the juicy bits that have already come out that are not merely trivia!


As I posted earlier with my Tree-Forest-Walkthrough.Design-Walkthrough.Designer metaphor. The truth is as much the individual facts, as it is their configuration. I have not disputed any of the released facts. I have disputed the authenticity of their particular configuration (which, for all intents and purposes, appears to serve Rothschild/Israel's agenda). Big difference. Question begs ... which approach is serving the truth better, yours or mine? You say yours. I say mine. We'll have to let time deliver the verdict.



Lastly look at this fact: how is it that TPTB are deploying two mutually exclusive and contradictory tactics in their attack plan, i.e. on the one hand pooh-poohing any info leaked as being really not significant and only gossip without any real import - AND on the other calling for the execution/assassination of the INSTRUMENT because what has been done is so terrible, damaging, causing loss of life, etc? How do those two ideas co-exist? And yet this is precisely the strategy that is being deployed. They apparently are also beta-testing whether their plans to debase us by systematically dumbing down the population through a fake education system has worked!


Easy: Distraction. Confusion. Information overload. The dreaded agents of Chaos.



They are desperate and are actually showing signs of insanity in my opinion. Two mutually exclusive ideas attempting to occupy the same psychic space inevitably causes the psyche to crack. What we are seeing here is tantamount to a mental break-down at the highest levels of the control paradigm.
Anyway - enough analysis of the underpinnings from me. From this point forward I am simply going to be an observer of what happens and confine my comments to that.
I hope I have made somewhat of a contribution to the discussion.

You could be right. But the more forceful argument, IMHO, is not insanity ... but evil genius. They have been doing psychological operations long before you and I arrived on the scene. And yes, I, for one, do appreciate your contributions. They are well thought out and some are quite sophisticated (and I mean that in a good way). They keep me on my toes.

Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

[Ahkenaten]

OK, here is a link to Glenn Greenwald's piece in Salon - it lists the NON TRIVIAL revelations at the end of the article

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/01/lieberman/index.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

well he handed the files over to the Media...

They are deciding which are being released...

I guess nobody mentioned to him what the PTB control...

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Mr. Zook - Starship Enterprise here transmitting on a open frequency! ;) I said that that website stated as fact that (I don't even know this to be true) Wikileaks held a press conference a few blocks from the Israeli Embassy in London does not mean that the organization is a Mossad cut-out ..... there are a few examples like that on the website, and the purpose is to suggest this is the case. THIS is what I mean by unsubstantiated allegations leading to logical fallacies if unchallenged which I thought I made clear in my post. If not, sorry. Hope I did now.

By listing the various religions I was trying to make the general point that religious affiliations should not be our primary focus here - the website at issue apparently thinks that is the case by repeated references to Jews. This is not helpful. The only reason I even mentioned the subject of pedophilia is that the topic came up on that website as a way again to besmirch people's reputations by associating them with that insidious idea and imagery - a well-known tactic of propaganda.

I repeat: looking at this particular issue through the prism of a six-pointed star is bound to lead to some serious distortions. That is another important point I was trying to make! It seems that the ire against Wikileaks this website exhibits arises from a few main points, one being Assange's public dodging of the 911 conspiracy issue - another being that THE NY TIMES AND OTHER ESTABLISHMENT INSTRUMENTS have crowed that the Wikileaks in fact buttresses Israel's policies in the region. These two points are especially aggravating to many people who are frustrated and waiting for the truth to come out on these important issues. Even so, the NY Times Editorial Board controls the positions taken in the paper, and no one else! That is cherry-picking information to support a particular world view!! It was the NY Times that immediately crowed that the Leaks helped by supporting Israel's position against Iran.

I am not trying to attack your analysis but point out another view......................I continue to believe TPTB has lost control of the paradigm but you are correct that we will all see as this continues to roll out, what is up!

In the meantime thanks for being such a good sport and most of all Thanks for keeping ME on my tooties!

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Hi Rocky - Maybe the 'insurance file' backs up the 260K dump to make sure it gets out AND includes other undisclosed info. Well if it is true that only 1000 cables have been released, that was a practical idea. :cool:

Another update: Apparently only 621 documents of the 260K Dump have actually been released so far. 621 documents are causing quite a flap.

[Anchor]

well he handed the files over to the Media...

They are deciding which are being released...

I guess nobody mentioned to him what the PTB control...

Not my reading of the situation. If you look at one of the mirrors say: http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html it currently says: "Currently released so far 913 / 251287" - underneath the hourglass logo

[ponda]

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Newt is a psychotic Neo-Con! (Means he is Fascist, not Conservative!
He isn't qualified to point fingers, call names, or make any recommendations as to what's to be done about anyone.

After all, what's it worth when a traitor calls someone an enemy?
Fred

It defies me how these guys actually get elected in the first place.

This reminds me of a documentary i watched about Daniel Ellsberg and the pentagon papers called "The Most Dangerous Man In America".

In it there are a few actual recordings of Nixon talking with Kissenger.In one of them they are talking about what to do in Vietnam.Nixon says something like "lets blow the dykes...that should kill about 250,000 of them" Kissenger seems to try to pacify Nixon after this.

It's incredible to me that these types of people make it to the upper echelons of power in our society.Look how Mr Nixon eventually bowed out...

Which reminds me of a conversation i had with an American chap in a restaurant one day.We got to talking and eventually the chat got around to politics etc.This chap said that his uncle was a contract cleaner and got the job of cleaning one of the mansions that were used for the Nixon election headquarters after the election had finished.He said that when the cleaners went into the mansion to start work they found that the inside walls were riddled with machine gun bullet holes and that there was nazi paraphernalia all over the walls.Makes you wonder

If anyone's interested in the doco you can watch it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfMTtgTzr0

Here are some quotes from the doco:

DANIEL ELLSBERG: It was the evening of October 1st, 1969, when I first smuggled several hundred pages of top-secret documents out of my safe at the RAND Corporation. The study contained forty-seven volumes, 7,000 pages. My plan was to Xerox the study and reveal the secret history of the Vietnam War to the American people.

UNIDENTIFIED: The FBI was trying to find out who gave the New York Times a copy of a Pentagon secret study.

UNIDENTIFIED: Pow!, like a thunderclap, you get the New York Times publishing the Pentagon Papers, and the country is panicking.

HENRY KISSINGER: This is an attack on the whole integrity of government. If whole file cabinets can be stolen and then made available to the press, you can’t have orderly government anymore.

HEDRICK SMITH: I mean, it was just staggering. The raw, top-secret, eyes-only documents.

PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON: I think it is time in this country to quit making national heroes out of those who steal secrets and publish them in the newspaper.

PATRICIA ELLSBERG: In the first year of marriage, we’re talking about him going to prison for the rest of his life.

REPORTER: Dr. Ellsberg, do you have any concern about the possibility of going to prison for this?

DANIEL ELLSBERG: Wouldn’t you go to prison to help end this war?

UNIDENTIFIED: We felt so strongly that we were dealing with a national security crisis. Henry Kissinger said that Dr. Daniel Ellsberg was “the most dangerous man in America” and he had to be stopped.

[Anchor]

OK, here is a link to Glenn Greenwald's piece in Salon - it lists the NON TRIVIAL revelations at the end of the article

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/01/lieberman/index.html

Thanks for the link, well worth reading.

It makes the point that you cannot read cables on wikileaks that have not already been leaked to the press. This is interesting, because if you hold with the view that JA is not a TPTB stooge, then he is performing a function of allowing the press to print stuff with the ability to protect themselves by saying well - we didnt leak the secrets, JA did that, we are just reporting them.

What is interesting about this is that they get exposure to a wider range of people that would not read wikileaks as - well they are just conspiracy nut-jobs right?

Its a lot more powerful reading that


the British Government privately promised to shield Bush officials from embarrassment as part of its Iraq War "investigation";

in a mainstream paper.

So if this is JA's game for releasing them in this fashion - it is stunningly well played - and I cant see how it helps TPTB one bit.