"Papa kills babies" -- Reflections on humanity

[A Voice from the Mountains]

These are just some personal reflections upon seeing this horrific video of two children testifying their own father molesting them and forcing them to participate in the sacrifice of children.


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I came across this video on another site and found that it had already been posted on PA under the titled Shocking new video about Satanism (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79778-Shocking-new-video-about-Satanism), which links to a Rumor Mills article about the video (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=10452). I'm sure there is additional information out there and I hope a lot is done with it, but I can only personal stand to see so much of this at a time. Nonetheless someone must deal with it and something must be done about it.

I was reflecting upon this video, and of course there is nothing new about this kind of behavior. The Bible records that the Canaanites were sacrificing their own children, and that the Hebrews also began adopting this practice, and we also know that other cultures such as the Carthaginians and various Germanic tribes also practiced human sacrifice, along with Native American tribes in Latin and South America, and unfortunately many other groups of people.

That this stuff still goes on today isn't just testified to in the video above, but by many other people who testify to being abused, not only by high-ranking British officials, but of course but Vatican officials all over the world, by the Bushes, by Rothschilds, by Dick Cheney, and on and on. The only difference today is that it isn't done out in the open so blatantly. Now it's done behind closed doors and reserved for the rich and powerful who can get away with it -- or have gotten away with it until now.


So why are we just now coming to figure this stuff out again today, and why is it so obviously wrong to us now, that most anyone who learns of these things would immediately want to put an end to them? What has changed in us since the time of the Canaanites?

I think there must have always been compassionate people mixed in along with the worst of them. Today there are so many people connected through mass media, and such instant reactions when things like this come to the surface, that it's the only thing I can think of that has made such a huge difference. Now we can share these things where we didn't have a platform before. We can expose these kinds of crimes, we can show them to each other, and we can express our outrage with each other, our sympathy for the kids, and our desire to rid society of the people who are hiding behind closed doors doing these types of things.

If we think of a society like the mantid or insect-like species that Simon Parkes and Randy Cramer talk about, these beings are described as being of a hive-mind and already being able to know what is going on with each other through some kind of direct, telepathic experience. Humanity has not had access to anything like that, which I believe is one of the biggest reasons why a human being can harm another human being, because we don't have to immediately experience what we are doing to another. There is a degree of separation. Without that separation, I don't believe we would have child sacrifices and abuse. But with the Internet, we finally have a kind of synthetic form of a hive-mind, in that we have the option of connecting with each other immediately at least in this way, and sharing thoughts and expressions.

The bottom line is that now is the time to change, and we are the ones who will have to be responsible for it.

First we have to take the responsibility upon ourselves. Taking responsibility is a huge step, and the only way we can begin to exert ourselves and make a change. If we don't each take personal responsibility in doing something, and expect everyone else to do things, we probably won't get anywhere. I'm here posting about this and reminding people about this today because I don't want these children to be forgotten and end up murdered somewhere for saying too much. This kind of stuff needs to go viral, and that's the first step.

Where we take it from here depends on us.

[Innocent Warrior]

I watched every video on the other thread and it's been haunting me ever since. I'm also concerned nothing will be done about it and those kids will disappear. Maybe we should get all the details they spoke of and document them in print, along with photos from the internet of the schools and church and businesses they mentioned? We could keep updating this thread with any info we can find on their progress or lack of. Also, maybe those videos were posted because the police didn't do anything?

Edit: This letter is in the description of the video in the OP.


Dear Home Secretary

Anybody who watches these privately taken videos is convinced.

This is to alert you to the fact that I have just added your email address to the petition that I published onhttps://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-c...

I did so as an individual rather than co-founder and web publisher of the Association of McKenzie Friends, for our Chair Mrs McKenzie had been asked by Mrs Justice Pauffley to give an undertaking, even on behalf of her colleagues, NOT to publish anything. Is ‘corporate gagging’ now a new permissible facet of the secrecy of family courts!?

Unfortunately, Mrs McKenzie has also lost complete faith in the Judge after she assisted the mother in court. She says: “Not having as yet ‘come to her decision’ = judged, she did not grant a level-playing-field between the parties regarding Contact in the interim, as if already ‘presuming’ one side to be ‘less innocent’ or ‘more guilty’ than the other. This was plainly wrong and has laid the judge open to accusations of bias.”

As the petition describes, it requests the return of the two children to their Russian mother who were taken into ‘care’ after they reported the crimes of their British father. However, in the attempt by Barnet and Metropolitan Police to cover up rather than investigate, and by LB Barnet to keep the children rather than return them, the latest unacceptable proposition was to increase the contact between the abusive father who sees his children already on a weekly basis, while the mother is only allowed every two weeks.

I trust that you know how Sir James Munby invited courts to take the realities of the internet into account, especially Social Media.

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The attached Position Statement was our offer NOT to expose this scandal in exchange of returning the children. Instead, Mrs Justice Pauffley ignored the issues that have been outstanding since Judge Mayer transferred the case to her on 23 December:

The justification for an Interim Care Order.
The discussion of a Non-Molestation Order.
The inequality of Contact.
Instead, the Judicial Review filed on 22 December 2014 is attempted to be stymied and two barristers have suggested that evidence should be destroyed! Furthermore, LB Barnet want to write not only to all interested parties that include 3 MEPs but also the mother’s list of witnesses.

In the wake of your efforts to make a National Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse happen, you will know how important it is for victims to be believed. Anybody who watches these privately taken videos is convinced. But the mother is supposed not to make use of them!

Can you maybe at least pretend to ensure that there is some proper procedure in any of the institutions mentioned?

Or maybe you can just ask the Executive Director of LB Barnet, Andrew Travers, to return the children with immediate effect?

With many thanks in advance,

Campaigner

Dreadful situation. Good news is there are people working on this issue.

Petition: Return 'Whistleblower Kids' and Abuse Survivors of London School to their Russian Family! (https://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-return-whistleblower-kids-and-abuse-survivors-of-london-school-to-their-russian-family)

[Becky]

Thank you bsbray for your reflections, I tend to agree. One thing that has been bothering me is 'where on earth do they find all these babies to sacrifice'? Do they have women locked up somewhere producing babies regularly so they can be sacrificed/ It's hard to 'lose' so many babies within society, isn't it? It's all just so horrific it's hard to comprehend. How did those two children get to tell their story and I hope they are safe now...but this should have hit main stream media and been in the news, but of course it's not.

[Realeyes]

This particular case is being discussed on this thread, if you wish to see more information

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79778-Shocking-new-video-about-Satanism

Perhaps the threads could be merged - and titles made clearer?

[Realeyes]

Thank you bsbray for your reflections, I tend to agree. One thing that has been bothering me is 'where on earth do they find all these babies to sacrifice'? Do they have women locked up somewhere producing babies regularly so they can be sacrificed/ It's hard to 'lose' so many babies within society, isn't it? It's all just so horrific it's hard to comprehend. How did those two children get to tell their story and I hope they are safe now...but this should have hit main stream media and been in the news, but of course it's not.

Becky, may I suggest that if you do some thorough research on the internet about this case, you will find documented testominies etc that will answer your question.

As to media - it has been gagged; they know about the story but cannot publish.

[Cjay]

Children have since been detained by the same abusers and are being held by the police that were involved in the actual abuse.

- from the description below the following video:

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According to the next video, which includes clips from RT, the investigation was closed [nothing to see here, move along] and the children have since been held prisoner, for four months, by the paedophiles who abused them.

I hate to think of the extra torture they have endured, if they are still alive.

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[donk]

So why are we just now coming to figure this stuff out again today, and why is it so obviously wrong to us now, that most anyone who learns of these things would immediately want to put an end to them? What has changed in us since the time of the Canaanites?



What has changed is technology, which has made control by brute force less effective...hence the need for more sophisticated mind control in order to propogate anti-human behavior.

I think the truth always (eventually) emerges, which is why stories and hints and shreds of evidence from antiquity manage to endure, despite the fact that few other than the rulers/elite/wealthiest even had the means to record history, let alone had a means that would endure generations (despite the best attempts to wipe out the age-old passing down through ORAL tradition)

The advances in types of media has been a double-edged sword for those that write history and shape the genereal mass collective conscious...in that it has given truth more opportunity to emerge--despite it's also giving "them" a stronger tool to shape "culture's voice" (to get all Daniel Quinn-ish on ya)...

The effective solution is to learn how to learn about it--absorb the information in a way that we can use it to create solutions--in an emotionally detached way. It helps me to focus on trying my best to not take it so personally. This is WAY easier said than done, but MUST be done--for me, anyway. The way I do this is to recognize that no matter who or what you are pointing the finger (and fingers must pointed, one individual at a time, EACH AND EVERY time it occurs...it is then and alway "time for the blame game") is NOT HUMAN...even if they don't scientifically test as psychopaths...even if they are physically and mentally identical to what we think of as "human" in every other way.

In the recent Plant of the Apes, this is demonstrated brilliantly (IMO). The smart apes have the tennant "APE NOT KILL APE"...***spoiler alert*** in the most recent one, Caesar (the enlightened leader) is holding Koba (the psychopath) dangling at his (C's) mercy from his (K's) death, who looks him in the eye and reminds him of that "Ape not kill ape"....Caesar tells Koba, the monkey identical in every way except for his mistreatment turned him psycho "Koba not ape"....then let go of him.

Whatever Koba was...whatever he became....it is not a being that like me, that I can relate to. It makes my existence less enjoyable than what I want it to be, it is something that i wish I did not have to experience...which makes it something easy to ignore or deny. We--as a species--are starting to force ourselves to stop with the denial and luies to ourselves. Technology is helping this unpleasant bubble to the surface.

What has changed? In my eyes, it has gotten harder to lie to ourselves. Hopefully the change continues, and we move toward dealing with this very real problem in new, innovative, SUCCESSFUL ways...ironically (universe is, as universe does) I believe loving emotional detachment is the key. (while remembering that emotional desensitization has been one of the main weapons/tools used to allow this crap to go on)...that's crucial for this very real (to me) truth to be realized:


First we have to take the responsibility upon ourselves. Taking responsibility is a huge step, and the only way we can begin to exert ourselves and make a change. If we don't each take personal responsibility in doing something, and expect everyone else to do things, we probably won't get anywhere.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This particular case is being discussed on this thread, if you wish to see more information

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79778-Shocking-new-video-about-Satanism

Perhaps the threads could be merged - and titles made clearer?

I was aware of this when I created this thread, and if you read it you'll see that I already linked to both that thread and the Rumor Mills article as well. The other thread's OP is just a link and no discussion.

I'm discussing it from a different angle, specifically the history of this type of abuse and how and why public awareness and opinion is turning so much today, as I explain in the OP which I am guessing you have not read.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

What has changed is technology, which has made control by brute force less effective...hence the need for more sophisticated mind control in order to propogate anti-human behavior.

I think the truth always (eventually) emerges, which is why stories and hints and shreds of evidence from antiquity manage to endure, despite the fact that few other than the rulers/elite/wealthiest even had the means to record history, let alone had a means that would endure generations (despite the best attempts to wipe out the age-old passing down through ORAL tradition)

The advances in types of media has been a double-edged sword for those that write history and shape the genereal mass collective conscious...in that it has given truth more opportunity to emerge--despite it's also giving "them" a stronger tool to shape "culture's voice" (to get all Daniel Quinn-ish on ya)...

I was thinking along the same lines, that it's the mass media revolution that has really accelerated all of this.

Europe was in the Medieval period when the printing press was invented. The knowledge of the average person slowly started taking off at that point. Then all of a sudden we get the radio, and then television, videos, and now the Internet. And I don't think it's a coincidence that our entire quality of life has increased with our access to information, every step along the way. I guess this is why people say "knowledge is power."



The effective solution is to learn how to learn about it--absorb the information in a way that we can use it to create solutions--in an emotionally detached way. It helps me to focus on trying my best to not take it so personally. This is WAY easier said than done, but MUST be done--for me, anyway. The way I do this is to recognize that no matter who or what you are pointing the finger (and fingers must pointed, one individual at a time, EACH AND EVERY time it occurs...it is then and alway "time for the blame game") is NOT HUMAN...even if they don't scientifically test as psychopaths...even if they are physically and mentally identical to what we think of as "human" in every other way.

Agreed here too. Which is why I tend to even think of this in relation to a much longer struggle between different factions of non-humans/ETs which I believe has been taking place since before modern man even existed on this planet. I think this type of sadistic child abuse originates from some non-human group who doesn't mind enslaving or even eating people (Simon Parkes has said enough on this subject), while mass media like the radio, television and Internet are probably being given to us by the other side of the "argument," so to speak. I think these technologies filtered into our societies from somewhere else, but it's still up to us to use them and to decide what we will do with the information we come across while using them.

Which brings us back to the kinds of things in the OP, which seems to sum up pretty succinctly much of what we have been finding here on this planet.

[sigma6]

When was the last time any government organization or Police Dept educated the public on missing people statistics?... that's right NEVER! ...for as long as you can remember, in fact it just seems NORMAL to NEVER talk about it, doesn't it? It's just a subject that is NEVER brought up... NOW WHY IS THAT????

If the the REAL numbers were exposed, the numbers would be so shocking and people would be thinking and asking questions... (can't have that now, that would kind of blow their squeaky clean cover, and next thing you know you will find two ethic cops with their heads shot execution style at 5am on a Saturday morning, etc... God forbid...)

Because the police and others in the government are the very ones involved in it... and they do kidnap and keep people locked up in caves and underground, and also impregnate woman, this has been reported by ex Satanists many times...

Satanists Are Real... Why Missing People Statistics Are Never Made Public
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60959-Satanists-Are-Real...-Why-Missing-People-Statistics-Are-Never-Made-Public&p=699516&viewfull=1#post699516