Wes Penre's levels of learning

[Clarity]

Wes Penre has just released his 5th, and final level, of learning.

http://wespenre.com/

His extensive research covers everything from metaphysics, ET masters, human origins, cosmic wars, A.I., Lucifer’s rebellion, Spirituality, channelling, transhumanism, Sumerian & Egyptian mythology and in level 5 The Vedic texts.

I highly recommend his fascinating and comprehensive research as I personally haven’t come across any other work that mirrors his analysis. Many of his conclusions differ from other researchers and he has the following to say about his journey.



Important to understand is that this is my journey and everything in here is according to my research, and/or my own experiences and conclusions. Your journey may be slightly, or entirely different from mine, which means that I am not looking for "followers", and have no wish to be a "guru" or authority on any subject. Those who have read my work from earlier years can easily see how my path has developed to the point where I am today. Hopefully, I will continue growing spiritually so that I am somewhere totally different in a few years from now, in a whole new level of reality.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I'll try to find time to sort through all of his PDFs later, but thanks for posting this.

[naste.de.lumina]

Hello Clarity.

I've been following with great satisfaction and gratitude this magnificent work of Wes Penre ..

The level five of learning that aims to bring light to our understanding of the Vedas texts, are not yet fully finalized. There are 16 proposed papers, of which 11 have already been published (Paper Number 11 was published on 13.02.2015).

To stir the curiosity of friends, the Vedas texts being analyzed in detail in 5 level, also provide inspiration for scientists at CERN an others, as can be seen in the images below.

Shiva's Cosmic (particles) Dance at CERN
https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/6/005/09a/1ce/3b21da0.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4133/5064143987_61754a3c76.jpg

http://1214productions.com/conceptual/cern60.png

Another 'coincidence' between the old 'gods' and 'modern' technology.

CERN's two-year shutdown drawing to a close (http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/02/cerns-two-year-shutdown-drawing-close)

Hugs.

Naste.

[Elainie]

His research (aside from Tom Campbell who I also like) is some of the best out there IMO. He's gone at it like a forensic scientist. I read all his papers as soon as they come out. Love them.

[arwen]

Thank you so much for this! I had been following Wes Penre up until the time of the whole Suprieme Rockefeller incident, which put me off as I figured he had become compromised - I had no idea he has since continued his stellar work. Really appreciate the heads up, I now have a number of e-books to download. :)

[Elainie]

I know, I was also turned off by the Supriem info- as far as I know, Wes still believes it (I recall just recently in a paper he said he had some new info/was going to address it).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I know, I was also turned off by the Supriem info- as far as I know, Wes still believes it (I recall just recently in a paper he said he had some new info/was going to address it).

I'm new to all of this. Can you guys explain what exactly you're referring to with this Rockefeller stuff?

[naste.de.lumina]

I know, I was also turned off by the Supriem info- as far as I know, Wes still believes it (I recall just recently in a paper he said he had some new info/was going to address it).

I'm new to all of this. Can you guys explain what exactly you're referring to with this Rockefeller stuff?

The Myth Around Supriem David Rockefeller - By Wes Penre, 2009 - Published for Public View on June 16, 2009

This e-book version published on September 5, 2010

His full name is Supriem David Rockefeller, a 35 year old man who says he is Marduk Ra and Lucifer redeemed, the Messiah the world has been waiting for and the Bible has been telling us about. Is this is the man secret societies have been waiting for and prepared for since ancienttimes? He says he is the one who rebelled against God, The Universal Father, and caused the Wars in Heaven. He is the one who created ‘sin’ and is the reason the world is in the shape it’s in.

According to himself, after thousands of years in exile, he has now returned in the body of Supriem Rockefeller, but has redeemed himself. Instead of bringing the world to its knees and fulfill the End Time Prophecies, he has decided to save the world he once had the purpose to destroy. Upon all this, he is also the Jewish Messiah. When he visits Israel, he is treated like a God.

Is he telling the truth? And is Lucifer really equivalent to Satan? If not, then who is he?

Hopefully this e-book will bring some understand to who he really is…

Source: http://wespenre.com/e-books.htm
Source: http://www.illuminati-news.com/supriem-rockefeller.pdf

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, Clarity. I am in the middle of the second level, aspiring for the fourth in which I have personal interest, as I was led to the Camelot/Avalon interviews in the beginning of my wake up call, parallel with another material that offered information about Anu and the Sumerian gods. Israel is believed to have a close relationship and cooperation with the Anunnaki species.. There is quite a lot of correlation and bell ringing on the side of truth, at least with what I read so far, but there is still way to go.. all in all, it is a fascinating reading.

I was suggested to read the 4 level by a valued researcher who was sent this by another researcher due to Wes talking about the Anu, annunaki, Enki, Enlil and the mythological gods and creator Gods, the ones in the initial rebellion, and how their names and characteristics got mixed up, slandered and all manner of confusion because of the rebellion and Earth takeover by the Enki/Marduk/Satan/Lucifer head "god".

Some more informaton on Wes Penre,his esseys and articles can be found here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=904777&viewfull=1#post904777

[Maunagarjana]

I spent a lot of time reading Wes Penre's articles, like many weeks of doing not much else but devouring article after article, and he led me to look at a lot of various information sources. I started out very into what he was doing, but after a lot of reading, I started to find things he was saying that I didn't agree with. And that's fine. We all have our own point of view and our own personal fascinations.

But with the way he does things, if you make errors in logic, critical thinking, good judgement, or are lacking perspective, these things can really start to pile up and distort his process of truthseeking. I'd probably have to write at least a dozen long articles of my own to explain where I feel Wes went awry in some areas. But suffice to say, I haven't read any of his newer articles. He just lost me at some point with some of his conclusions that he decided to run with and with some of the things he takes seriously.

But it was a fun ride figuring out why I disagree with him a lot of things, and I would recommend others do the same. Just don't take his opinions as gospel, that's all.

[Elainie]

^^^ Same, good advice as I have not always agreed with some of the conclusions and things he chooses to believe.

[Jules]

I think Wes was my wake up call. I came across him when researching due to the fact that I felt a lot of things in the world are unjust, horrible, and untrue, but I wondered what was happening. In addition, certain people came into my life that were sane, but told me unusual things. I read his material, with information of the likes of Fritz Springmeier, 13 bloodlines, ancient mythology, and Illuminati 101. The fact he moved up the levels very quickly, yet felt disillusioned, was quite important. He decided that love was the only thing of importance in this world and his significant other in an Illuminati system did not agree with him dealing with this. I am sure there is more to his story, which is a good one. I have admiration for Wes, who writes about available information very well.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I started reading that Supriem Rockefeller PDF, and Penre says himself that "reality" is nothing but a set of beliefs that we may or may not agree upon, in so many words. I can agree with that. So then the question will come later as to whether or not I choose to see things his way, even if he's a genuine source. The PDF is 300 pages so until I get time to read beyond page 10 or so, I guess the jury will be out for me..

[arwen]

Thanks for the update. If he still believes in Supriem, that is OK with me even though I do not. I have been looking at his work, and he is doing some really excellent writing. I see no evidence of an Agenda reflecting that he is compromised, so will be enjoying going through the parts of his work I missed over the years. :)

[lightseeker]

I must add my 2 cents to this thread. I don't often post but I do check out Bill's blog daily and do read what is going on .

My wake up was Project Camelot when both Bill and Kerry where still working together . I have continued to read and learn from both Kerry and Bill. It was Kerry who brought my attention to Wes Penre's website. I have been reading his work from its beginning to the present.

I find his research is detailed and impeccable. I have learned a great deal from what her writes. It has helped me with my understanding the world we live in.

As someone mentioned there is still more to come, with an additional 5 more papers to publish. I look forward to them all.

I would highly recommend everyone to read all his work from its beginning to the present and onward.

[Elainie]

Thanks for the update. If he still believes in Supriem, that is OK with me even though I do not. I have been looking at his work, and he is doing some really excellent writing. I see no evidence of an Agenda reflecting that he is compromised, so will be enjoying going through the parts of his work I missed over the years. :)


I don't believe in the Supriem stuff either. I think it's complete bollocks.

[Elainie]

He now delves into the Supriem info again with his latest paper-

http://wespenre.com/5/paper12-the-aldebaran-paper.htm

[yelik]

The Wes Penre Papers – Excellent material that everyone should read, in my opinion and those in the know!


http://www.wespenre.com/index.htm

For anyone wanting to understand an accurate account of our history and what has and is going on I highly recommend these, it is goldmine of information which is well researched and presented

I am told the section on ‘Lucifer’s rebellion is well worth researching. Paper II, Genises Paper 7, The Atlanteans and the Misuse of Energy, Section 6 Link below:-

http://www.wespenre.com/2/atlanteans-and-the-misuse-or-energy.htm


Here's a few paragraphs from the introduction on Section 6
There have been many cataclysms in Earth's history, and many, many different species were genetically engineered, manipulated and abandoned. Some of them, once they didn't get any support from their creator gods anymore, moved underground and to inaccessible areas of the world (like jungles, remote areas, and up in the mountains), and many of them still live there. If people only knew how many different species are dwelling in Earth's interior they would be stunned, and some of them look very different from us.

In theory, I could have summarized what I wanted to say in maybe 50 instead of 1,000+ pages (Level I+II), but it's very important that we know our true past, including how we've been (and certainly still are) manipulated, so we can understand present time and make good decisions for our future. We can't understand the present alien agendas if we don't understand our true past, leading up to our current situation (which has everything to do with alien agendas). This is why history is so important, and also one of the most altered subjects in school. The manipulators know that if we know next to nothing about our origins, it's a piece of cake to control us. Therefore, if they give us amnesia between lives and alter our history, they can do almost anything to us.

[Limor Wolf]

Hello, Yelik, I agree with you that Wes Penre's papers are a good and important reading, as with everything else is best to be read with discernement.

A previous thread was opened here -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79899-Wes-Penre-s-levels-of-learning&p=933116&viewfull=1#post933116

(and you may want to attach your recoomendation to it)

[yelik]

Thanks Limor Wolf, perhaps the threads need merging

and yes, nobody knows all the truth, we can only make our best guess judgement based on available information, which is largely disinfo I'm sad to say. Although this guy has done a pretty good job all round, he has my greatest respect for dedicating so much time and effort into producing these

[Hervé]

Thanks Limor Wolf, perhaps the threads need merging

Threads merged :)

[araucaria]

I kind of got the impression from the following two posts that Wes Penre is a new Avalon member (screen name Divine Feminine) who has not posted anything else yet, or even been online since January 5th. Why not get him to join in this discussion?


I am not too hot on channeled information in general, although one can find some quite valuable stuff there on occasion. But there is one thing I need to say to Bashar's defense -- there is a great sense of humor in their channeling. :cool: . We'll see about 2016, but I wouldn't be surprised if something big will happen that year. It's "in the air," so to speak. Personally, I would think more in line with 2017-18, but I could be wrong.

Regarding a potential battle between Freemasonry and Orion--it depends. We have the Orion Dragon race, who were a big part in creating the original human species, together with their Helpers, the Vegans/Vulcans. This Orion species would, obviously, have one or two things to say about the top echelons of Masonry that's not so nice. Then we also have the "Orion Group," which the RA Material and the Cassiopeans are talking about. They are a rebel group, which was cast out from Orion millennia ago, and the ones some call the "Anunnaki." The leaders of this group started Freemasonry once upon a time. In fact, they first started the Brotherhood of the Snake as perhaps the first secret society here on Earth, and the knowledge that was hidden in that society was then transferred down over time to other, more recent secret societies, where Freemasonry is one of them. This information, and much more, can be found here:

http://wespenre.com/site-map2.htm
and
http://wespenre.com/4/site-map4.htm (http://wespenre.com/4/site-map4.htm%5b/url%5d.%5b/QUOTE).[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]With channeled info, great discernment is required, or at least taking things with a grain of salt -- there is some great stuff out there in this arena, but there is also a lot of deceit.

This is how I've always looked at it, too!

All of these entities that are channeled--they can be single beings or "social memory complexes"--have some kind of agenda. If we're "lucky," their agenda can be of some benefit for us, but we really need to use discernment. If we do that, we can find some pretty awesome information in channeled material. At least, that's my experience. Using our hearts (intuition) is as I see it often even more important than thinking in logical terms (although that's of course required, too). Because if we think about it--what is logical for us on this forum today is insanity for people who haven't studied anything outside what is mainstream. To them, what we're saying here is not logical. This is also exactly what Bashar is/are talking about in the video :-).

It's interesting, too, that channeled entities very often tell us that they are us in the future -- so also Bashar.

I did some research on channeled material -- actually, I wrote several papers on the subject if someone is interested. Some very interesting stuff came out of that--and it has helped me many times when it comes to my own discernment, on this and other subjects. It's certainly not easy sometimes... http://wespenre.com/3/site-map3.htm

BTW, it was not my intention to begin with to send links directly to my own material; especially not THREE TIMES in the same thread LOL, but it just so happened that it fit with what we're discussing. I hope that's okay.

WhiteLove, you're bringing up a very good point, I think. Some of the better channels can sometimes be quite accurate in their predictions. I've noticed similar things with Barbara Marciniak's "Pleiadians," whom I used to listen to (their CD's, that is). They can be quite accurate, too, on occasion, but not like Bashar apparently were here...

DF

[yelik]

Clarifying the ILAT-LITUM Tablets

Images not posting, please follow the link below and scroll to near the end

https://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/category/10-chapter-x/

In Genesis II, TU and MIRA promised to send signs in form of crop circles (we see them all the time – some genuine, some not), but also ice circles. These are harder to see, as they are created in more remote areas. However, just recently scientists found a mysterious ice circe on a Siberian lake:Mysterious ‘ice circles’ in remote Siberian lake baffle scientists. Is Lake Baikal actually BAN-TAN?

Here is another very interesting article from “Telegraph.co.uk”, June 15, 2009: Phoenix Crop Circle May Predict End of the World, showing a most recent crop circle in form of the mythological bird Phoenix, who dies and rises again from the ashes. Like the Telegraph is asking, is this related to 2012, the death of an old era and the rebirth of a new? Is this sent to us from Mars as a sign?

The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes
Photo: M & Y PORTSMOUTH

The tablets are discussing all these different bloodlines, so let me try to explain how they are related and inter-related:

1. We have the pure Anunnaki, who came from Aldebaran in a spaceship, and one of their bases on their journey through the galaxy is Nibiru, which is a part of our solar system. They invaded KI (Earth) and chased the Reptoids underground.
2. Then we have the pure Reptoids, who were the original intelligent inhabitants of Earth when the Anunnaki arrived.
3. TU and Mira of the Anunnaki mixed TU’s seed with a Reptoid and gave birth to EA (Enki) and MAGDI — the twins. The pure Anunnaki wanted to kill the twins, because the mixed genes created stronger and more intelligent beings than they themselves were. TU and MIRA managed to clone their sons and SEPT of the pure Anunnaki killed the wrong kids, and EA and MAGDI went into hiding.
4. The LULUs were a mix between the Neanderthals, who lived here together with the Reptoids when the “Gods” (Anunnaki) arrived. LULU had 3% Anunnaki blood in them and 97% Neanderthal. They became the Anunnaki’s slave labor in the mines, digging for gold and other minerals that could be of value for the “Gods”. Another name for the enlightened LULU is ADAMI (Adam and Eve).
5. The Reptoids, when living underground, rescued some LULUs from the Flood (the Deluge), brought them to their caves and sealed the openings. There they interbred with the LULU females, whom they desired, and created a new race, the Lemurians. So the Lemurians had LULU blood (3% Anunnaki and 97% Neanderthal) + Reptoid blood. This showed to be a bad combination of DNA, because it created a deceptive, aggressive and possessive race. ETU-MARU and SARRATA were the first Lemurians who came up to the surface, and SARRATA infiltrated EA’s and MAGDI’s people, who were left on Earth after the pure Anunnaki disappeared before the flood. She and ETU-MARU then led the Lemurian battle against EA’s people and the LULUs and almost wiped them out. EA’s breed fled to Mars. Left on the surface were the Lemurians and the LULU. The LULU eventually, due to evolution, developed into today’s homo sapiens and the decendants of ETU-MARU were Marduk Ra, YHWH and eventually the 13 Illuminati bloodlines. Marduk Ra created the first Priesthood of Amen.
The Merovingian Bloodline, which erroneously has been called the 13th Illuminati Bloodline is nothing of the sort, according to Thule, just like I mentioned in Chapter II — the Merovingians are not of Lemurian blood but that of EA and MAGDI. So they are of the Anunnaki/Reptoid bloodline, and is thus not part of the Lemurian 13 Illuminati bloodlines, which are a mix of Lulu/Reptoid. The pure Reptoids, who still live inside Earth and are the so-called “Reptilians” that people claim they have seen coming up now and then from caves all over the world. They are friendly to humans and don’t want us any harm, according to Thule, who made a pact with them a long time ago. These beings live inside Earth and are the inhabitants of Agarthi/Agartha, the ones that the Dalai Lama protects and the secret behind the “Yellow Hat Sect” (see Chapter 5).

Agarthi Reptoid, but they come in all colors of the rainbow.
So now, let’s break the bloodline part down even more for better understanding. These are the different bloodlines we are dealing with here:
1. Pure Anunnaki
2. Pure Reptoid
3. Pure Anunnaki + Reptoid (EA’s and MAGDI’s bloodline – also called the Frankish, Merovingian Bloodline)
4. Neandethals + 3% Anunnaki (LULU)
5. LULU + Reptoid = The Lemurian Bloodline
6. LULU becoming homo sapiens by evolution

Anunnaki – The “Fallen Angels”
I mentioned before that Akhnaten was the High Priest of the Merovingian Priesthood around 1351-1334 BC. You may ask how this can be, when all of EA’s and MAGDI’s race flew to Mars? Did they leave remnants here?
According to the Thule, Akhnaten (Amenhotep IV) was one of the descendants of 600 “Fallen Angels”, the same ones the Bible is talking about. These “Angels” were of EA’s and MAGDI’s bloodline and came down here on Earth from Mars at one point in time in an effort to help mankind in their struggle. They were also “guards” with a purpose to watch over the “breeding” of homo sapiens. Apparently, they wanted homo sapiens to stay as “pure” as possible and not interbreed with the Lemurian Illuminati. This is my understanding.

However, there were “guards” as well as “gardeners”. Some of these “fallen angels” (also called “keepers”) taught humans good things, such as farming, animal husbandry, tailoring, beekeeping or the like. Other “angels” (“keepers”) taught people the use of weapons and how to conduct wars. Asasel, for example, taught martial arts and the use of jewelry and makeup. These things are also told in the Book of Enoch. The original “guards” were the kings before the Flood. Below is a sculpture of Akhnaten’s wife, Nefertiti. Notice the extended skull — this is how the Anunnaki supposedly look like. Even today some tribes are dedicated to what is called “cranial binding”, where they extend the skull on their babies to make them look like this, subconsciously trying to look like the old “Gods”. Although skulls from those who have done cranial binding on each other look a lot like Anunnaki skulls, the difference is the size — the original Anunnaki could be up to 4 meters tall (more than 12 feet), thus the skulls are much larger.

Nefertiti (Anunnaki)

Anunnaki skull
According to the Thule, Lucifer was of the EA/MAGDI bloodline and came down to Earth to give the early homo sapiens (the ADAMI) knowledge and help them develop spiritually, and thus created the first secret society, The Brotherhood of the Snake, which had this specific purpose. YHWH, on the other hand, was a Lemurian, who wanted his people to remain in negative power over mankind, thus his anger, blood-thirst and favoritism. Therefore, when Supriem says he is Lucifer, to Thule that is a good thing, because Lucifer is on mankind’s side. Then, from what we’ve learnt here, Supriem says he is Lucifer in person, because his Manisola is that of the Luciferian bloodline, as well as that of Marduk, Samech and YHWH. In addition to that, he was also abducted at the age of 14, where he was even more tampered with to prepare for his mission.

The Return of the Gods – NI-BI-RU Entering the Solar System and the Consequences
Here is the thing: Nibiru has an orbit that looks like an ∞ (infinity symbol). It enters our solar system every 12,960 years. Unfortunately, every second time around, the planet will cause great disturbances in Earth’s orbit, which will cause earthquakes, floods, volcano eruptions and possibly a pole shift. These next few years will be very turbulent times, if this information is correct. Many, many people will die due to this, and at the same time we are facing another threat — the consequences of Anunnaki’s return, which could lead to a devastating war where homo sapiens are caught in the middle!

The Lemurians have had 12, 960 years to change their habits and turn things around on this planet and stop the enslavement of mankind, but they have done nothing of the sort. Instead they have intensified their control. Now, around 2012 or shortly thereafter, Nibiru returns and with it the pure Anunnaki “Gods”. The pure Anunnaki, EA’s/MAGDI’s people and the Reptoids of Agarthi have all made an alliance and will not fight each other. They all want peace. The Reptoids have not interfered with what has happened on the surface since the Lemurians took over, and more or less left us alone. They are “cold-blooded” reptilians and don’t mind living underground, apparently, so that is not a problem. Neither of these three races want to harm homo sapiens either. Their common enemy are the Lemurians (the 13 Illuminati Bloodlines), and if the latter haven’t turned things around by the time the Anunnaki return, there will be a war to kill off the Lemurian Illuminati and chase them underground, where the Reptoids probably “will take care of them”. All Lemurians were driven out of Agarthi long ago due to their abuse of power and their oppression of homo sapiens. Like I mentioned earlier, the Inner Core of the Thule (which is the Vril Society) is in contact with the Reptoids of Agarthi.
This is where Supriem is supposed to come in. They wanted someone with DNA from ALL races to be able to negotiate and complete the task of cleaning up here on Earth. Therefore, Supriem is the “experiment”. I haven’t had any direct contact with the Inner Core of Thule, except for once, but I have had it explained to me by Jarl Vidar of the Thule that they are not so stupid that they put all the eggs in one basket. They have lots of back-up plans — one of them will be explained in a while — it has to do with activating more people with Triple Helix DNA…

Another Viewpoint on the “Fallen Angels”
The Bible version of whom the Fallen Angels were, are clearly rejected by Thule. They emphasize that the Fallen Angels are the Merovingian EA/MAGDI decendants and are not our enemies. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen, but The Book of Enoch is telling us another story, which also includes how the Fallen Angels were blood drinkers, just like the RA Material and David Icke have indicated is the case with the Orion Reptilians. Is this a common characteristic for beings entering from another density to be able to keep their physical shape here? From The Book of Enoch:

CHAPTER VI.
1. And all the others (Watchers) together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood [Wes’ emphases in red]. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

CHAPTER XV.
8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.

CHAPTER XIX.
1. And Uriel said to me: ‘Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray
Between the Devil and the Returning Rock
In July, 2009, a month after I posted this e-book originally, someone emailed me a very interesting scientific essay, written by A.R. Bordon and Roy W. Gordon. They are both biophysicists and have made a huge study on the subject of the Anunnaki. The essay is called, Between the Devil and the Returning Rock and is confirming a lot of what I am exposing here, including Marduk being on Earth now. They also claim there are about 350-400 Earthbound Anunnaki on the planet at the moment and they pretty much run the show, while also being in connection with the incoming Anunnaki from Nibiru. These earthbound ones have been here probably for a very long time and are sitting in the Council of 12 like a spider in the web.

Council of 12
These two scientists have succeeded in finding 11 different witnesses, many of them not knowing each other, all confirming the above, separately. Most of these witnesses work within the U.S. Government, the Military and some civilians as well. To get a broader picture of the Anunnaki and who they really are — and most importantly, do we want them here? — you need to read this essay, which is now online and can be downloaded here in .pdf.
Is the Council of 12 actually what Supriem calls Priesthood of Amen? Are 12 of the most powerful Earthbound Anunnaki (pure Merovingian) the 12 High Priests of Amen and is Supriem the 13th member, just like he says he is? Could it be that the mid level Thule members are not aware of that?

I have no way of finding out right now, but this essay certainly adds to the picture and is pretty useful in our attempts to lay the puzzle.

Jesus Christ and the Holy Grail
According to the Thule, the New Testament as well as the Old Testament have been tampered with by the Lemurian Brotherhood. One thing they did was to delete parts of the New Testament which talked about reincarnation. This was allegedly done by the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

The Thule Order is claiming that Jesus Christ was what we would call an “ascended master”, being sent here from Mars. He was of EA’s and MAGDI’s bloodline and came to Earth to enlighten people and teach them who the real enemy is. He was killed by the Lemurians.

Jesus was of the Merovingian bloodline, going back all the way to EA/MAGDI, and according to the Thule (something that was also researched by authors Baigent, Leah and Lincoln and is discussed in their book Holy Blood Holy Grail) Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children. The last descendants of EA/MAGDI and Jesus Christ on Earth today are the Habsburgs, which I mentioned earlier.

Dominic von Habsburg – Merovingian
The EA/MAGDI/Jesus bloodline is also equivalent to The Holy Grail as is the female vigina, which ultimately refers to “Divine” conception.

How to Open the Stargate – Pyramid Power
To be able to open the gate, there are a few things that need to be in alignment. First, they need to have their “Messiah” ready, which Thule say is Supriem Rockefeller. He must have the Triple Helix DNA activated, because it includes the ‘”blood of the Universe” and by letting out Supriem’s Manisola into a human body, part of their mission can be accomplished. But there is more that needs to be prepared for: the Thule is telling me that Supriem is not the only person with Triple Helix DNA, but the only one who is fully activated at the moment. And just recently, Jarl Vidar told me that the GATE IS OPEN! This means that the three following pre-requirements are present:
1. They need the “Messiah” who needs to be part human but with alien DNA and his life force is that of Lucifer. With other words, he is partly human and have his Triple Helix DNA activated. This is accomplished with Supriem Rockefeller.
2. The Planet Nibiru needs to be in a certain alignment with the solar system. The arrival of the Planet and the Gods who dwell within it is soon and timing of essence, according to Thule. The indications point in the direction that the Return of the Gods will be in 2012 but could be later.
3. The major Pyramids in Egypt are lined up in a certain way and are built in a precise manner to be able to work as resonant and increase the frequencies of the Vril machine, and are therefore the major vehicle to opening the Stargate. Thule has the mathematical Universal code that is broken down into musical notes, creating a “cosmic symphony” of a precise vibration that will open the Stargate. All these three (there may be more I am unaware of) elements need to be present for the Gate to open. Supriem visited Egypt in the beginning of 2010…

[Bluegreen]

I was reminded of Mr. Penre's research while following PA member GoodET's story of attending large UN type meetings where humans and aliens were present. Around 2010, Mr. Penre started corresponding and writing about a rogue group of scientists who called themselves the Life Physics Group of California (LPG-C), led by a mysterious Dr. Bordon, since deceased. They were studying the Universe, or Unum, and based part of their research on remote viewing. They also reported attending large UN type meetings where both humans and aliens were present.

[naste.de.lumina]

From http://wespenre.com/


February 27, 2015: The entire "Fifth Level of Learning" can now be downloaded in one pdf file that includes all the papers in this level of learning. It will read like a book with clickable Table of Content, clickable links, and more than 1000 foot notes! It is almost 700 pages long, so it's a big file to download. The link to download it is here (http://wespenre.com/5/PDF/TheWesPenrePapers--TheFifthLevelOfLearning(FullVersion1stEdition)--TheVedicPapers.pdf).


February 26, 2015: Paper #16 of the "Fifth Level of Learning" called, "Paper #16: The Destiny of a Royal Species" is posted! See "Site Map for Level V (http://wespenre.com/5/site-map5.htm)". The PDF version can be viewed or downloaded here (http://wespenre.com/5/PDF/FifthLevelOfLearningPaper16-the-destiny-of-a-royal-species.pdf). Note: This is the last of the Wes Penre Papers. No more papers will be posted on this website. The only things that will be added now are adjustments and small corrections here and there. However, I will also soon publish these papers in German, Spanish, and French! This will take some time, of course, and I will publish them in the order the translators get finished--paper by paper. I will as well publish the entire "Fifth Level of Learning" in one long pdf file; just as I've done with previous levels. All changes to this website from hereon will be posted here.


Wes Penre, thank you for providing us this incredible work.

Naste.

[arwen]

I see that the Humans Are Free website have picked up a part of Wes Penre's work, and provided an article with commentary. This is an amazing article by Alexander Light, who says in his introduction:


The following piece of information is extremely important to those who are advanced enough to actually understand it. To many, it will not be easy to digest and most will refuse to believe it.

However, to some of you, the following information is exactly what you've been waiting for - possibly for aeons.

In my periodic introspection sessions I always end up to the same conclusion: the souls of the human species are trapped in a dimension of control (i.e. what we call "reality") and the afterlife is merely a short break before being recycled back into the chaos.

(Similar to how wounded soldiers are sent to the hospital for treatment, before being sent to the front line once again).

The full article is entitled: Escape 'Their' TRAP and Set Your Soul FREE (http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html) and well worth the read - it also serves as a good introduction to Wes's work.

[Wes Penre]

Hi everybody!

This is Wes Penre (I go under the user name "Divine Feminine" on this forum). I am sorry I haven't commented and/or replied to this thread until this morning, but I've been so incredibly busy. On February 26, I finally completed the whole series of papers, which ended up being five "Levels of Learning;" altogether between 2,500-3,000 pages. Now it is all published and my website is complete. For those who don't know, the papers can be accessed at http://wespenre.com/.

I have read all the posts in this thread, and I want to thank you for your interest in my work--it's very encouraging to say the least! Some wise person here said that one should use discernment, and that no one has the complete truth. I want to emphasize that. We are all students and we learn more and more as we continue researching and reading. Those who have read all my papers can see that my own knowledge increased the further into the material I got, so what the reader actually witnesses is my own journey that I am sharing with whomever is interested.

The information I've researched is carefully footnoted and referenced so that the reader can see that this is not something that is made up, or something that's just based on my own ideas (except when I'm telling the reader that it is). The material is based on evidence that is in existence. All I've done is to research it, compile it, and made sense out of it. I've also used careful syncretism and cross-checking to make sure I got it right. I think the reader will notice that the information is quite impeccable in that sense. With that said, there is so much more to learn, and what's in the papers is knowledge up to a certain level, but it does explain the hidden history of mankind in a way that makes very much sense. The reader may be shocked at times because much of the information goes against what many people believe when it comes to aliens, UFOs, how to travel in space, and who "God" is. For those who have not yet looked at the paper, I hope you at least will give them a chance. Best is to read them from beginning to end (for best comprehension), but I know how it is--we always want to peek at what looks most interesting first LOL. That's fine. However, I think that if the material resonates with the reader, he/she will at one point or another start at the beginning anyway :-).

I also saw a few references to Supriem Rockefeller. I can understand that many people think that story is disinfo at best, but here is how I see it:

When I was writing the e-book about Supriem and all that went with that subject, I noticed many times that he was lying to me to cover something up. However, I could feel somewhere in my gut (at the time) that there was SOMETHING with him that I couldn't pinpoint back then in 2009. I just knew that this was not just a prank or some random guy who wanted attention, regardless of what many people thought and said--there was something more to it. I could have just taken everything down from the Internet back then and forgotten about it, but instead I compiled the information into the final book that's now online, and I called it, "The Myth around Supriem David Rockefeller." The important word here is "myth." In other words, there will be truth, lies, and half-truths in the book. Today I'm glad I kept it up.

Supriem is in my opinion not a major player (whether he knows this or not). My further research up to this day has showed that he most possibly is what is called a "distraction" in Elite circles. You know how they use someone so people will put attention on him while something else is going on elsewhere. I would say, AT LEAST this is the case. There is a secret society called "The Brotherhood of Shadows," just as the Bavarian Illuminati told me, and Supriem is probably one of twelve candidates to become the vehicle for Marduk at a certain time. More research is showing that despite what Supriem himself says, he is NOT the main candidate--not at all. I simply consider him being a distraction, but as such, he is important in a way, because for a distraction to work it must be planned in a similar way as when the Elite is creating disinformation--there will be truth somewhere in the information or people wouldn't buy into it. Just as a curiosity; the first two weeks after I released the first version of the Supriem book, I had half a million hits to the blog that carried the book! That's a lot of visitors for something that was never promoted in any way by videos, interviews, lectures, promoted books, or whatnot. Still, half a million hits! That doesn't happen if it's all a lie.

I would personally suggest not to put too much attention on Supriem at this point, though--if any at all. I would just keep him on the back burner to see how things pan out. Everybody here knows where to find the book; someone put a link to it in this thread, but here it is again: http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/. So, if necessary in the future, people can go there and find info. The book will still be there; I will not take it down. But what I'm saying is that overall, the Supriem story is "low level." I mention him a few times in the Wes Penre Papers when appropriate because he does play a role after all, but I don't pay much attention to him. The information in my papers is way above anything that was written in the Supriem book anyway. So the reader needs to separate the two sources of information for now--the Wes Penre Papers is something totally different, with a much higher level of information.

I hope this helps for now to clear things up regarding Supriem, but also helps to explain a little bit what the papers are all about. On my website you will see that there are 5 different site maps; one for each "Level of Learning." The icons are at the top of each page. That's the way the reader will find out what each level is about. Then it's just a matter of clicking as usual. Also, each paper can be downloaded for free in pdf.

Feel free to comment or ask questions!

Love,
Wes

[Feritciva]

Hi Wes,

Thanks for your great work and extensive research. It's really a huge effort and excellent source for all truth seekers.

Greetings from Istanbul! :)

[Flash]

I started reading your papers Mr or Mrs? Penre and I must say that I found them very well documented, organised in a comprehensive format, and getting into these fringe topics in a very understandable manner.

In fact, I refered your site to friends of mine who had a piece by piece knowledge, not making sense at time.

I told them to start with the level one, because, as you say, it makes everyting more understandable.

YOu did an excellent work. Anyone wanting to make sense of all those sites and theories should go through your papers in my views. it is very much needed in these fields, i just wish many more would be so discipline and dedicated to to the same

Conspiracy 101-102-103-104-105 are how I see your papers.

I just wish you could write Conspiracy 201-202 etc as well. It makes it so much easier to understand.

Many thanks from all of us, the laymen trying to understand.

[arwen]

Hi Wes,

Thank you so much for your outstanding work, and also for taking the time to post here! :)

I completely agree with your take on Supriem being a distraction, and while you have suggested not to focus on it, I did want to bring to your attention a very similar type of situation which occurred last year with my friend, Fritz Springmeier (http://fritz-springmeier.dbs2000ad.com/).

You may or may not be aware of it, but in case you are not:

Fritz was approached last year by one William Cornelis Van Duyn, purported head of the Illuminati, and Fritz brought him into his circle. I observed William's posts, which were a mix of NWO propaganda, Gnosticism and sarcasm about humanity and America. He played people like a book, and they reacted predictably. Fritz allowed all this, telling his mostly Christian followers to also use discernment.

I have no doubt that William is definitely an insider, but definitely not the head of the Illuminati worldwide. I had some private correspondence with Mr Van Duyn, from which I gathered his intentions were disingenuous, despite his claims to also be reformed and looking to work together with humanity to evolve us all.

I gathered his primary task is data collection on people's responses, potential threats to the NWO, as well as distraction and misdirection.

There is more on this saga here from Henry Makow (http://henrymakow.com/2014/07/whats-behind-van-duyn-hoax.html) - who is not very kind in his analysis, and considers it all a hoax, but it is one of the few write-ups on this whole scenario outside of FaceBook.

And here is Fritz himself on FB publically introducing William Van Duyn. (https://www.facebook.com/fritz.springmeier.9/posts/591589747577599)

I would be really interested on your take on the William/Fritz issue, and if you can see any similarities in the way Fritz was approached, and you were approached, or not.

Thank you again, for all your excellent work, which I really appreciate, and am sharing with many of my friends and networks.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Wes,

Thank you so much for your outstanding work, and also for taking the time to post here! :)




And a big DITTO from me, here. Most, most delighted to have you on board. :)

(An aside to arwen! You know Fritz Springmeier as a friend?! Do check out the extremely important Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit), started by Houman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?322-Houman). One of the most important and information-packed threads on the entire internet. Springmeier is featured and discussed a lot there. Do look.)

[Marin]

Wes

Wanted to share with you how much I appreciate all of your work. Have been following it for many, many years.

I've made countless notes from all your papers. And then notes from those notes. (More than I'd care to admit to). Combined it with some of my own work and of course sent it out to others. And now I have one last level to read. :)

Your work has sparked countless discussions and served as a catalyst for additional work. What I find most useful is your ability to synthesize such a vast amount of data in such a concise manner. Few can do what you do. It really stands in a category all it's own.

Moreover, because of the scope of your work, many are introduced to material they might not have run across otherwise.

There's more I'd like to share - but will check back later. So wonderful to see and feel the divine feminine returning.

Marin

[arwen]

(An aside to arwen! You know Fritz Springmeier as a friend?! Do check out the extremely important Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit), started by Houman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?322-Houman). One of the most important and information-packed threads on the entire internet. Springmeier is featured and discussed a lot there. Do look.)

(Another aside back to Bill - do not want to derail this thread, but THANK YOU so, so much for directing me to that thread - absolutely phenomenal data, and going through it will account for most of my Internet time in the forseeable future!)
:)

Yes, I am friends with Fritz, although have not met him in person, and even though I am not a Christian - we have several points of agreement, and also several places where we agree to disagree).

Back to Wes..... :)

[naste.de.lumina]

Some wise person here said that one should use discernment, and that no one has the complete truth. I want to emphasize that. We are all students and we learn more and more as we continue researching and reading.


Feel free to comment or ask questions!

Love,
Wes


Wes, thank you for your kindness in making available some time to answer some questions.

First let me apologize for my poor English.

I found the wespenre papers (http://wespenre.com/2/dark-road-towards-extinction.htm#vii-i) through my search for information about the origin of the soul and spirit.

You mentioned in numerous times on weapons that have the capacity to destroy the soul (the avatar of light) and consequently the unique individuality of the self.

The first question I have is:

You found during your research, mentions of the 'popularity' of this type of weapon (destructive avatars)? This weapons exist at the individual level, like a pistol or other technological device?

The second question is:

Do you think that the Queen of Orion is the last level of the 'hierarchy' of 'All' or it could be a fraction of the 'All'?


By my understanding, quantum physicists call the Queen of Orion as Quantum Vacuum. But that's just where my conscious ability gives me this time.

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Thank for your attention.

Naste.

[Wes Penre]

It seems that when I think I have some time that I can spend doing something such as posting and responding on this forum, something happens which pulls me into some research and/or projects. It's a very good thing, but it takes away from the time I'd like, and had planned, to spend here (something I very much enjoy, too). I promise, though, that I will post as often as I possibly can, although it won't be as often as I'd like it to be. I will definitely be back tomorrow, however, with some response to the comments and questions since I posted last.

Thanks for your patience :-)

[Wes Penre]

Arwen, I remember this Fritz story from when it came out. I read the pages you refer to plus there was some more stuff published as well; such as a correspondence back and forth between Springmeier and Makow, I believe, where Fritz defended his position.

We can determine one thing before everything else; WC van Duyn is not the head of the Illuminati, just as you suggest. Very few people know who the head of the Illuminati is, and he would never ever go public like this. In fact, the real King of this group (there are more than one king) has never gone public.

I think your analysis of the situation is pretty good. This van Duyn (if he actually is who he says he is) definitely has hidden agendas. You may know Fritz better than I (I have only communicated with him a couple of times many years ago, and I was actually the one who made his wife-to-become contact him long ago; this led to their marriage. She thanked me afterwards), so I may be wrong in my interpretation of this situation, but I get the feeling that they are “playing” Fritz. When I read Fritz’ original announcement of his new friendship with van Duyn last year, my first reaction was that he was intimidated to some degree and did his best to sound legitimate. I thought I could spot quite some fear in his communication.

Another thing; didn't Fritz say in one of his mind-control books that he also had been under Illuminati mind-control and therefore is a mind-control survivor? If I remember that correctly, it would mean that there could be trigger words that van Duyn and his team used on Fritz to make him comply.

No, I don’t believe for one second that “van Duyn” has become a friend of humanity. Also, someone pointed out his friendship with a known pedophile and Satanist.

Besides that—what’s everybody’s gut feeling? What does your body tell you? Mine is putting out alarm signals.

Van Duyn suggests that humanity would gain so much more to be ruled by him and his loyal people. Ruled? I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t want to be ruled by any of them, regardless if they change sides. I don’t want to be ruled by anybody, to be honest. What he said there is a big red flag!

The only thing is—how much of all this does Fritz understand? Does he really believe this guy? I would be surprised if he did; I think he’s smarter than that…

Also, you were asking whether the way Fritz was approached was similar to how I was approached by Supriem. The answer to that is "no." I was not approached by Supriem at all--I actually approached him. I saw the email from Supriem to Leo Zagami that Prescott had posted online (against Supriem's knowledge, I believe). I thought it contained some interesting info, so that's why I started looking into Supriem. Supriem didn't want to have anything to do with me, however, and did not want to come out in public at all. He even put a video up on YouTube in an effort to discredit me and tell the viewers how ridiculous it was to think that he had anything to do with Marduk.

However, when he noticed I wouldn't "go away," he used another approach. He decided to work with me; he would give me SOME information, he said, that I could post, but some other information he wanted to keep to himself. If I were willing to do this, he would agree to it. That's how it all started.

[Wes Penre]

First I want to thank everybody for your warm welcome to this group/forum! You are absolutely wonderful! To be honest; when I decided to release what I’d gathered for my papers, I thought that I’d be attacked, screamed at, made a fool of, be written off as whomever, etc. Nothing of that happened! Instead, I have been met with the most amazing response from all corners of the world. I am literally drowned in emails from people who are thanking me from the bottom of their hearts for have opened up their minds to a bigger picture.

That was of course what I had been hoping for, but my information is often very controversial and goes against much of what is accepted as truth amongst many truth-seekers. What happened was that I must have opened up something that has been hidden deep inside of people—a truth that has been so suppressed over millennia that it’s been very hard to get it to the surface.

It’s always been my conviction that in order to understand present time and be able to plan for the future, we must understand our true past (if we think of our 3-D existence as “linear time”). There are many pasts, as we have learned, but these pasts together have formed the present that you and I experience together. That is the past I want people to understand.

Unfortunately, we have been lied to in such a way that we have been duped to believe that the opposite from what is true is true. In order to understand our past, we need to dig into mythology and the ancient texts. It’s all in there—even the space wars, “Lucifer’s” Rebellion, and all the rest of it.

When we notice that, we might jump up and down and say, “Oh yes! Here it is! Now we know the true history at last!!!” Well, if that were the case, we’d end up somewhere close to what Sitchin and others who have written on the subject of alternative history. That is not the truth, I must emphasize! Not even close to it.

It is true, however, that much of what Sitchin wrote is what is written in the old texts if we read it the way it’s written, so Sitchin and his fellow interpreters are not so incorrect in that sense.

However, and this is the thing! Who wrote the ancient records? Well, it was the “Anunnaki” themselves and their scribes (who often were Anunnaki as well, but of lower “cast”). Do you think they wrote the truth? Of course not. Why would they do that? They wrote what they wanted future generations to believe happened in the past; not what really happened. Hence, we can’t believe what they were writing.

Still, they always want to test humanity’s abilities to see through their lies--it's some kind of game they play, and they also want to see how we evolve. Therefore, they wrote the truth between the lines! In order to be able to understand our real history, we need to see what’s there before our eyes; hidden in plain sight! That’s what I “accidentally” happened to see!

You can’t just read the Sumerian texts and think that you “get it.” You have to compare these texts with other mythologies; such as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Norse myths, and also the Vedic, Mayan, and Aztec, and Biblical texts, and so on. The more you study, the more you learn that regardless which ancient text you research, the story is about the exact same gods—the Anunnaki! I call them the “Alien Invader Force(s)” (AIF) in my papers because they consist of a variety of different star races who came together to support Lucifer (En.ki) in his Rebellion against his parents--the Queen of the Stars and Khan En.lil. We hear a lot about Dracos, Reptilians, Nordics, etc. They are not here in Earth vicinity with different agendas; they are all the same AIF, which came here 400-500,000 years ago and manipulated our DNA (I don’t want to use the term Anunnaki too much in my papers because I don’t want to compare them with Sitchin’s interpretation of who they were).

Anyway, when we look at the ancient texts, it seems as if there were a thousand different gods, or something of that magnitude. This may have been the case, but in the ancient text, there are basically only a few gods mentioned, and they are En.ki, Marduk, Ereškigal, and Isis. En.lil and the Orion Queen are also mentioned, but their identities were hijacked by the first four beings I just mentioned. They took over the identities of En.lil and the Queen and pretended to be them!

So the head of the AIF are En.ki, Marduk, and Ereškigal. Isis is not—she was forced into joining and is now a renegade. In other words, all the gods we read about in the Vedas and the Sumerian texts etc., can almost all of them be boiled down to these first four beings!

I am not making this up. I am showing tons of references in the papers, which are all solid evidence that what I’m saying is what is true if we cross-check the different ancient texts and within the same ancient text we currently might be studying. I have also looked for syncretism wherever possible and found a lot of that as well. People who have studied my papers can clearly see what I am saying here, and they are stunned over what is being exposed and revealed.

Again, none of this is an attempt to toot my own horn—that’s not at all how I am. However, I don’t really care what people think about me as a person; I want people to read the papers to find out for themselves and use their own discernment. I think much of what is in there will blow your mind—it did mine! I must say I have been extremely thrilled, excited to the maximum, and basically functioned on adrenaline for 5 years (that’s the time it took to write all the five Levels of Learning—almost 3000 pages). Every morning—no fail—I have gotten up at 1:30 AM and researched and written until 6 AM. Then I’ve made myself in order and gone to a regular job between 7:30-4:00. The evenings I’ve spent with family, but have gone to bed every night at 7:00 PM in order to be able to get up at 1:30 again next morning. That’s how my life has been the last five years. But I have enjoyed every single second of it! And needless to say; I have a very supportive family, and everybody understands the importance of all this. I can't even begin to tell you how grateful I am to them!

The big shock for many people, I think, was when they realized (just as I did) in the Second Level of Learning that En.ki is the “bad guy” and En.lil (who actually is the equivalent to Ninurta) is the “good guy,” if I may use these terms. En.ki and his son Marduk are the two who are in charge of keeping us trapped here in 3-D! Not En.lil or anybody else. This is what I thought would be the main thing people would attack me for, but when they saw the evidence I provided, they realized I was correct. Therefore, I have literally only received 2 (two) attacks from people who have raved about how wrong I am. On the other hand, I have received literally a thousand emails from people who have thanked me for revealing this to them, and how they feel their whole cosmic view is falling into place (not only because of this revelation, but it’s an important one!) It's incredible, but I almost only get extremely positive emails, which is very encouraging. And now these welcome messages from you all!

This is a very brief introduction to my papers and what they are about. It’s not giving any justice at all to what’s really in them, so I hope as many of you here as possible would like to take a peek at them at http://wespenre.com/.

In summary, this is what the five Levels of Learning are about:

LEVEL I: An analysis of the metaphysics, quantum physics, exopolitics, and genetic manipulating we are faced with today.

LEVEL II: An introduction to the Divine Feminine, The Creation of Universes (the way it really happened), The Orion Empire, The Sirian Empire, the Galactic Wars, ET races, more about genetic manipulation, the entrapment we are subjected to here on Earth, the revelation of who Lord En.ki really is, Atlantis and Lemuria, the “Second Coming” and the Return of the gods.

LEVEL III: An analysis of the deceptive channeled material, the lies about ascension, the truth about the splitting of Earth and a new paradigm.

LEVEL IV: A deep analysis of the Sumerian texts in comparison with the Egyptian, Greek, and Roman mythologies, showing evidence of who the gods in the ancient texts really are. Also, a deeper look into the Galactic Wars, Lucifer’s Rebellion, the Garden of Edin and where it was located, and much more.

LEVEL V: A deep analysis of the Vedas (the Hindu religion), which is perhaps the most detailed descriptions on Earth of what happened in cosmos and on Earth long ago. I loved looking into the Vedic texts! Here I show evidence that the Vedic gods are exactly the same gods as in the Sumerian texts and all other major ancient texts. I also make all the five levels of learning come full circle.

Just as in LEVEL I and LEVEL IV, in LEVEL V I discuss the Afterlife to quite some extent, and I also offer a way out of En.ki’s trap—a way to escape the endless enforced reincarnation cycle, so we can become real multidimensional beings again, as we once were before the AIF came and started a war here against the Original Planners of Earth, the Living Library. These original planners who created the original human race came from Orion and Vega. Earth Herself is an incarnation of the Mother Goddess, the Divine Feminine. The escape from this trap is simple, but the reader needs to have this background information about our past, or they will not succeed; something that will be self-evident as you read the papers. Therefore, you will also see why it’s so important to understand our past!

Hope this gives a little overview of my work.

Thank you for reading this summary!

Love,
Wes

[Bill Ryan]

.
Thank you, Wes! :)

A big :bump: to this: —>




I must say I have been extremely thrilled, excited to the maximum, and basically functioned on adrenaline for 5 years (that’s the time it took to write all the five Levels of Learning—almost 3000 pages). Every morning—no fail—I have gotten up at 1:30 AM and researched and written until 6 AM. Then I’ve made myself in order and gone to a regular job between 7:30-4:00. The evenings I’ve spent with family, but have gone to bed every night at 7:00 PM in order to be able to get up at 1:30 again next morning. That’s how my life has been the last five years. But I have enjoyed every single second of it! And needless to say; I have a very supportive family, and everybody understands the importance of all this. I can't even begin to tell you how grateful I am to them!

[Bill Ryan]

Another thing; didn't Fritz say in one of his mind-control books that he also had been under Illuminati mind-control and therefore is a mind-control survivor?

Last year I spent quite a while reformatting this huge and detailed book to make it optimally readable. I believe it's now the cleanest version on the internet:



The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
http://projectavalon.net/The_Illuminati_Formula_Used_to_Create_an_Undetectable_Total_Mind_Controlled_Slave.pdf (http://projectavalon.net/The_Illuminati_Formula_Used_to_Create_an_Undetectable_Total_Mind_Controlled_Slave.pdf)


(Health warning: not to be dived into lightly. It can give just about anyone a real headache... seriously. There's some pretty heavy stuff in there. And yes, Fritz could not know all this without having been part of the programs himself.)

[Wes Penre]

You mentioned in numerous times on weapons that have the capacity to destroy the soul (the avatar of light) and consequently the unique individuality of the self.

The first question I have is:

You found during your research, mentions of the 'popularity' of this type of weapon (destructive avatars)? This weapons exist at the individual level, like a pistol or other technological device?

The second question is:

Do you think that the Queen of Orion is the last level of the 'hierarchy' of 'All' or it could be a fraction of the 'All'?


Hi Naste,

Let’s see if I can answer your two questions, but first let me explain what I mean by “avatar” in the papers. An avatar can be compared with what we normally call the “light-body,” i.e. the astral body we use when we don’t have our 3-D body anymore.

I know we humans have more than one light-body (we tend to use a new light-body for each dimension we access after death, and we also have the ‘emotional body’, etc. However, I use the term avatar (singular) throughout the papers because the ETs who are interdimensional seem to basically have ONE light-body, where all these things are combined. There is much more to this, which I can’t get into in this post, but it has to do with “moving inwards” rather than moving “outwards” when we are exploring the Multiverse. For simplicity’s sake, I use the “outward” option in the papers (mostly), although I know that to be able to travel the Universe and explore the dimensions, we need to go inward, into our bodies…deeper and deeper. I will write more about this in the next free e-book I’ll publish (will probably take a year or so to finish the research and write the book; that’s usually what it has taken so far).

Now to your questions, Naste:

1. The way I understand it is that there are multiple kinds of weapons that can do this (kill the avatar). Just as we have multiple kinds of weapons here on Earth—the ETs do as well. However, they all accomplish the same thing, right? They kill!

When I first realized that these guys (the ETs) actually use weapons in their Galactic Wars that kill the avatar (light-body) in their victims, it came as quite a shock. Does that mean that if one of these being shot me with that kind of weapon, my soul and personality would die?

The thing is that we all need an avatar to be able to maneuver in the Universe. It’s like a vehicle—some ancient texts (such as the Vedas) use the analogy of horses at times to describe the avatar. If the avatar gets destroyed, the soul can’t go anywhere and eventually dissolves and becomes one with the universal energy. The soul personality “disappears.”

I thought the soul was immortal, so this came as a shock until I found out more how this works. As I’m sure many of you know, all time is simultaneous. Now, let’s take me as an example, but it is the same for all of us. I have multiple “soul splits” or “fractions” spread out over the Earth timeline (if we think in linear time. I need to mix linear time and simultaneous time in this example). One soul fraction may be living in the 15th Century and another 3,000 years ago, while another lives in the future and so on. In the beginning, these fractions were all “me” and had the same personality. However; because I get amnesia every time I enter a new body, I am separated from the other fractions of myself, and they are separated from each other as well for the same reasons. This means that each fraction will have different experiences and will react to these experiences in certain ways, and they’ll learn from this. Then they have another experience and then another and so on. This way, each fraction develops a unique personality, different from all other fractions. Hence, if I would meet a fraction of myself from the 15th Century, for example, he or she would probably be very different from me; he might even be a skilled soldier or a criminal because of the combined experiences he’s had during multiple lifetimes.

So now we have a bunch of soul fractions of myself spread out over time, and they have all developed different personalities. Now, let’s say that one of these ETs shoots my avatar to pieces. That means that my particular personality that writes this will “die” and dissolve. Wes Penre will not exist anymore. However, I as a soul will still exist in all the other personalities spread out over time, so I am not really dead, except in my current personality is.

Now bear with me. This is something unique for humans because ETs don’t have amnesia! ETs also have split soul fragments spread throughout the Universe, but the soul fragments of a particular ET all have the same personality and are aware of each other all the time! So let’s say that En.ki’s soul that exists here in the Earth vicinity right now will have the avatar shot to pieces. His soul fragment will “die” just as ours, but he has a lot of others spread out and they have the same personality, so En.ki as a personality will not die. The problem, however, for En.ki in this example, is that the other soul fragments may not be located here around Earth, and he would have to fight his way back here in case there would be opposed ETs guarding the solar system at its fringes. It’s more than possible, though, that En.ki has more than one soul fragment positioned in this solar system. He can be at several places simultaneously.

This is something that needs to be pondered upon because it’s hard for us with our limited neurological system to comprehend this to its full extent. My explanation here is of course very simplified, just as it has to be to be understood by 3-D being like ourselves.

However, even if all my avatars and soul fragments here on Earth would be destroyed for some reason, I still have my Oversoul, with which the soul fragments are connected to in the first place. This Oversoul exists outside the Universes, in its own “dimension,” although I am not even sure that it can be called dimension. Anyway, the Oversoul is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Therefore, we ARE all immortal and eternal.

This is all quite difficult to explain in words, but I hope it at least makes some kind of sense.

2. She is a fraction of the “All.” What some people have problems with (understandably so) is that God (or in reality—the Goddess) can exist as an interdimensional being just as all other interdimensional beings. However, people more and more start coming to the realization that it is possible for the “All That Is” to incarnate. After all, we all are coming from “Her.” It’s just that there are things interdimensional beings don’t know, either, just as we don’t know everything. The Queen, however, is incarnated with much more understanding than the other beings in the Universe. I don’t know if she has total recall or not, though, although I get the feeling she can choose at any moment to have total recall or not, just to play the game so to speak. Planet Earth is another incarnation of the Mother Goddess (All That Is). So it’s possible.

I hope this answers your questions, Naste. I’ve answered them to the best of my knowledge in from what I’ve gathered through my own research. It’s up to each and every one, of course, to use discernment and to see how it resonates.

Love, Wes

[Wes Penre]

Awesome, Bill, for posting the clean version of Fritz' book!!!

Thanks!

:cool:

[naste.de.lumina]

You mentioned in numerous times on weapons that have the capacity to destroy the soul (the avatar of light) and consequently the unique individuality of the self.

The first question I have is:

You found during your research, mentions of the 'popularity' of this type of weapon (destructive avatars)? This weapons exist at the individual level, like a pistol or other technological device?

The second question is:

Do you think that the Queen of Orion is the last level of the 'hierarchy' of 'All' or it could be a fraction of the 'All'?


Hi Naste,

Let’s see if I can answer your two questions, but first let me explain what I mean by “avatar” in the papers. An avatar can be compared with what we normally call the “light-body,” i.e. the astral body we use when we don’t have our 3-D body anymore.

I know we humans have more than one light-body (we tend to use a new light-body for each dimension we access after death, and we also have the ‘emotional body’, etc. However, I use the term avatar (singular) throughout the papers because the ETs who are interdimensional seem to basically have ONE light-body, where all these things are combined. There is much more to this, which I can’t get into in this post, but it has to do with “moving inwards” rather than moving “outwards” when we are exploring the Multiverse. For simplicity’s sake, I use the “outward” option in the papers (mostly), although I know that to be able to travel the Universe and explore the dimensions, we need to go inward, into our bodies…deeper and deeper. I will write more about this in the next free e-book I’ll publish (will probably take a year or so to finish the research and write the book; that’s usually what it has taken so far).

Now to your questions, Naste:

1. The way I understand it is that there are multiple kinds of weapons that can do this (kill the avatar). Just as we have multiple kinds of weapons here on Earth—the ETs do as well. However, they all accomplish the same thing, right? They kill!

When I first realized that these guys (the ETs) actually use weapons in their Galactic Wars that kill the avatar (light-body) in their victims, it came as quite a shock. Does that mean that if one of these being shot me with that kind of weapon, my soul and personality would die?

The thing is that we all need an avatar to be able to maneuver in the Universe. It’s like a vehicle—some ancient texts (such as the Vedas) use the analogy of horses at times to describe the avatar. If the avatar gets destroyed, the soul can’t go anywhere and eventually dissolves and becomes one with the universal energy. The soul personality “disappears.”

I thought the soul was immortal, so this came as a shock until I found out more how this works. As I’m sure many of you know, all time is simultaneous. Now, let’s take me as an example, but it is the same for all of us. I have multiple “soul splits” or “fractions” spread out over the Earth timeline (if we think in linear time. I need to mix linear time and simultaneous time in this example). One soul fraction may be living in the 15th Century and another 3,000 years ago, while another lives in the future and so on. In the beginning, these fractions were all “me” and had the same personality. However; because I get amnesia every time I enter a new body, I am separated from the other fractions of myself, and they are separated from each other as well for the same reasons. This means that each fraction will have different experiences and will react to these experiences in certain ways, and they’ll learn from this. Then they have another experience and then another and so on. This way, each fraction develops a unique personality, different from all other fractions. Hence, if I would meet a fraction of myself from the 15th Century, for example, he or she would probably be very different from me; he might even be a skilled soldier or a criminal because of the combined experiences he’s had during multiple lifetimes.

So now we have a bunch of soul fractions of myself spread out over time, and they have all developed different personalities. Now, let’s say that one of these ETs shoots my avatar to pieces. That means that my particular personality that writes this will “die” and dissolve. Wes Penre will not exist anymore. However, I as a soul will still exist in all the other personalities spread out over time, so I am not really dead, except in my current personality is.

Now bear with me. This is something unique for humans because ETs don’t have amnesia! ETs also have split soul fragments spread throughout the Universe, but the soul fragments of a particular ET all have the same personality and are aware of each other all the time! So let’s say that En.ki’s soul that exists here in the Earth vicinity right now will have the avatar shot to pieces. His soul fragment will “die” just as ours, but he has a lot of others spread out and they have the same personality, so En.ki as a personality will not die. The problem, however, for En.ki in this example, is that the other soul fragments may not be located here around Earth, and he would have to fight his way back here in case there would be opposed ETs guarding the solar system at its fringes. It’s more than possible, though, that En.ki has more than one soul fragment positioned in this solar system. He can be at several places simultaneously.

This is something that needs to be pondered upon because it’s hard for us with our limited neurological system to comprehend this to its full extent. My explanation here is of course very simplified, just as it has to be to be understood by 3-D being like ourselves.

However, even if all my avatars and soul fragments here on Earth would be destroyed for some reason, I still have my Oversoul, with which the soul fragments are connected to in the first place. This Oversoul exists outside the Universes, in its own “dimension,” although I am not even sure that it can be called dimension. Anyway, the Oversoul is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Therefore, we ARE all immortal and eternal.

This is all quite difficult to explain in words, but I hope it at least makes some kind of sense.

2. She is a fraction of the “All.” What some people have problems with (understandably so) is that God (or in reality—the Goddess) can exist as an interdimensional being just as all other interdimensional beings. However, people more and more start coming to the realization that it is possible for the “All That Is” to incarnate. After all, we all are coming from “Her.” It’s just that there are things interdimensional beings don’t know, either, just as we don’t know everything. The Queen, however, is incarnated with much more understanding than the other beings in the Universe. I don’t know if she has total recall or not, though, although I get the feeling she can choose at any moment to have total recall or not, just to play the game so to speak. Planet Earth is another incarnation of the Mother Goddess (All That Is). So it’s possible.

I hope this answers your questions, Naste. I’ve answered them to the best of my knowledge in from what I’ve gathered through my own research. It’s up to each and every one, of course, to use discernment and to see how it resonates.

Love, Wes

Thanks for the reply Wes.

Yes, I remember having read in your paper a passage which you explained these different fractions of the soul, using Enki as an example. I clearly understood how the soul fractions become individual, as a result of amnesia and new experiences.

Thus, our existence as singularities seems to depend on the care we have with that specific avatar that we use now (here), because it will contain all the information that makes us what we are.

After the disembodiment of this life, regardless of the experiences we decide to have (explore the multiverse or reincarnate in one of the possible versions of planet earth or other), I think it is important we understand this question of individual 'immortality', and the challenges that may occur for this kind of 'ego' of a specific soul.

Regarding your answer on the Queen of Orion, it was clear to me and completely understood.

I do not want to monopolize your time here in the forum and I'm sure that many of the friends wish to ask questions for you, so here I say goodbye and thank you again for your kindness in providing us your incredible work / knowledge.


I know that to be able to travel the Universe and explore the dimensions, we need to go inward, into our bodies…deeper and deeper. I will write more about this in the next free e-book I’ll publish (will probably take a year or so to finish the research and write the book; that’s usually what it has taken so far)

With expectation of further work.

Hug.

Naste.

[Neal]

Wes, thank you for spending the time (and sacrifices!) writing these immense papers - your dedication over those 5 years to researching, compiling and writing this information is simply astounding! :scared:

I just found out about you and what you have done through this thread, although I have seen your name mentioned several times before. I guess now is as good a time as any to start in on these 3000 pages! This may take some time... but I have a feeling it is well worth it. Judging by the way you write in your posts, it should be a good read! :cool:

Thank you!

[gripreaper]

I do not want to monopolize your time here in the forum and I'm sure that many of the friends wish to ask questions with you, so here I say goodbye and thank you again for your kindness in providing us your incredible work / knowledge.

Thanks Wes for this incredible body of work. This is going to save me a ton of time not having to do all the research you have done, and make it easier to emanate this knowledge out to the matrix.

And I also want to acknowledge and thank naste.de.lumina for all that you bring to the discourse as well. You have always been very succinct and right on in your big picture view of how things are.

[AlaBil]

This is a very brief introduction to my papers and what they are about. It’s not giving any justice at all to what’s really in them, so I hope as many of you here as possible would like to take a peek at them at http://wespenre.com/.

In summary, this is what the five Levels of Learning are about:

LEVEL I: An analysis of the metaphysics, quantum physics, exopolitics, and genetic manipulating we are faced with today.

LEVEL II: An introduction to the Divine Feminine, The Creation of Universes (the way it really happened), The Orion Empire, The Sirian Empire, the Galactic Wars, ET races, more about genetic manipulation, the entrapment we are subjected to here on Earth, the revelation of who Lord En.ki really is, Atlantis and Lemuria, the “Second Coming” and the Return of the gods.

LEVEL III: An analysis of the deceptive channeled material, the lies about ascension, the truth about the splitting of Earth and a new paradigm.

LEVEL IV: A deep analysis of the Sumerian texts in comparison with the Egyptian, Greek, and Roman mythologies, showing evidence of who the gods in the ancient texts really are. Also, a deeper look into the Galactic Wars, Lucifer’s Rebellion, the Garden of Edin and where it was located, and much more.

LEVEL V: A deep analysis of the Vedas (the Hindu religion), which is perhaps the most detailed descriptions on Earth of what happened in cosmos and on Earth long ago. I loved looking into the Vedic texts! Here I show evidence that the Vedic gods are exactly the same gods as in the Sumerian texts and all other major ancient texts. I also make all the five levels of learning come full circle.

Just as in LEVEL I and LEVEL IV, in LEVEL V I discuss the Afterlife to quite some extent, and I also offer a way out of En.ki’s trap—a way to escape the endless enforced reincarnation cycle, so we can become real multidimensional beings again, as we once were before the AIF came and started a war here against the Original Planners of Earth, the Living Library. These original planners who created the original human race came from Orion and Vega. Earth Herself is an incarnation of the Mother Goddess, the Divine Feminine. The escape from this trap is simple, but the reader needs to have this background information about our past, or they will not succeed; something that will be self-evident as you read the papers. Therefore, you will also see why it’s so important to understand our past!

Hope this gives a little overview of my work.

Thank you for reading this summary!

Love,
Wes

Wes,

This is a fabulous introduction to you complete work. I found your site through a link in this forum and got bogged down with all the levels, not understanding how they fit in together. Thanks for your effort on this work. It is truly MONUMENTAL!

I have downloaded pdf's for each level as that is the best way for me to read.

Thanks also for being here and putting the effort into answering questions for those here.

Thanks also to you Bill Ryan for this tremendous platform of learning and expanding knowledge!

[Wes Penre]

Of course, everybody has their favorite ways to read articles and papers, but it's a good idea to download the full levels in pdf for easier read instead of reading the online html versions. You can either download one paper at the time in pdf or one full level at the time (i.e. five pdf files). Here are the links where you can download the full levels:

Level I: http://wespenre.com/pdf/WesPenrePapersFull101511.pdf
Level II: http://wespenre.com/2/PDF/SecondLevelOfLearningPDF/TheWesPenrePapers--TheSecondLevelOfLearning(ONLINEVERSION).pdf (http://wespenre.com/2/PDF/SecondLevelOfLearningPDF/TheWesPenrePapers--TheSecondLevelOfLearning(ONLINEVERSION).pdf)
Level III: http://wespenre.com/3/PDF/Level_3/TheWesPenrePapersTheThirdLevelOfLearning.pdf
Level IV: http://wespenre.com/4/PDF/WesPenreFourthLevelOfLearning(EntireLevel--Papers1-17andAppendixPaperA)031014.pdf
Level V: http://wespenre.com/5/PDF/TheWesPenrePapers--TheFifthLevelOfLearning(FullVersion1stEdition)--TheVedicPapers.pdf

In addition, I wrote an e-book between two levels back in 2013 called "Beyond 2012--A Handbook for the New Era," which I also have received a lot of great responses for. It's more or less on the same subject, but is more directed towards our immediate future. It's a "spiritual" book, if you will, including quite a few good mental and spiritual exercises that I'm using myself and which have been very helpful for me. You can download that one as well here: http://wespenre.com/books/Beyond-2012-A-Handbook-for-the-New-Era.pdf

Thanks everybody,
Wes

[arwen]

Wes, thank you so much for the reply. Like naste.de.lumina, I do not want to reply more than once, so as to give others a chance to ask questions, and give you time to reply (I know how overwhelming too much communication can be). I have quoted your full response below to make for easier referential reading for future readers as the thread grows over time (which I know it will).

I really appreciate your full response, and I fully agree with your take on Van Duyn, and also on Fritz. (Van Duyn, on a gut level, made my hair stand on end, literally, in my own interactions with him). It had been my concern for Fritz when this all started (and I am limited in how much I can disclose here) with the triggering of him being exactly what concerned me. He had no choice other than to go along with it. Your spot on insight into this situation is an additional and credible confirmation for me, so thank you so, so much for that.

Thank you also for clarifying the difference between the circumstances of your interaction with Supriem, and Fritz's and Van Duyn's interactions, which makes it crystal clear how completely different the circumstances were.

(Another aside to Bill - THANK YOU for providing that much more readable version of that vital piece of work Fritz wrote, before he was compromised! Fritz still does his best, by the way, to continue with his expose work within the constraints he is under).

And Wes, in addition, thank you for providing the links to your Five Levels and the additional title, which I have now downloaded and am going to be going through, in addition to The Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) that Bill earlier pointed out to me. I have lots of homework, so will be rather quiet, myself, for a while.
:)

Wes, your work has been done with such integrity of spirit, and the data is so clean, it is no wonder people are responding to your work so well. So, your incredible dedication definitely is more than worth it, and a great contribution to humanity!

With deep gratitude and respect,

Arwen


Arwen, I remember this Fritz story from when it came out. I read the pages you refer to plus there was some more stuff published as well; such as a correspondence back and forth between Springmeier and Makow, I believe, where Fritz defended his position.

We can determine one thing before everything else; WC van Duyn is not the head of the Illuminati, just as you suggest. Very few people know who the head of the Illuminati is, and he would never ever go public like this. In fact, the real King of this group (there are more than one king) has never gone public.

I think your analysis of the situation is pretty good. This van Duyn (if he actually is who he says he is) definitely has hidden agendas. You may know Fritz better than I (I have only communicated with him a couple of times many years ago, and I was actually the one who made his wife-to-become contact him long ago; this led to their marriage. She thanked me afterwards), so I may be wrong in my interpretation of this situation, but I get the feeling that they are “playing” Fritz. When I read Fritz’ original announcement of his new friendship with van Duyn last year, my first reaction was that he was intimidated to some degree and did his best to sound legitimate. I thought I could spot quite some fear in his communication.

Another thing; didn't Fritz say in one of his mind-control books that he also had been under Illuminati mind-control and therefore is a mind-control survivor? If I remember that correctly, it would mean that there could be trigger words that van Duyn and his team used on Fritz to make him comply.

No, I don’t believe for one second that “van Duyn” has become a friend of humanity. Also, someone pointed out his friendship with a known pedophile and Satanist.

Besides that—what’s everybody’s gut feeling? What does your body tell you? Mine is putting out alarm signals.

Van Duyn suggests that humanity would gain so much more to be ruled by him and his loyal people. Ruled? I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t want to be ruled by any of them, regardless if they change sides. I don’t want to be ruled by anybody, to be honest. What he said there is a big red flag!

The only thing is—how much of all this does Fritz understand? Does he really believe this guy? I would be surprised if he did; I think he’s smarter than that…

Also, you were asking whether the way Fritz was approached was similar to how I was approached by Supriem. The answer to that is "no." I was not approached by Supriem at all--I actually approached him. I saw the email from Supriem to Leo Zagami that Prescott had posted online (against Supriem's knowledge, I believe). I thought it contained some interesting info, so that's why I started looking into Supriem. Supriem didn't want to have anything to do with me, however, and did not want to come out in public at all. He even put a video up on YouTube in an effort to discredit me and tell the viewers how ridiculous it was to think that he had anything to do with Marduk.

However, when he noticed I wouldn't "go away," he used another approach. He decided to work with me; he would give me SOME information, he said, that I could post, but some other information he wanted to keep to himself. If I were willing to do this, he would agree to it. That's how it all started.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

<snip>The escape from this trap is simple, but the reader needs to have this background information about our past, or they will not succeed; something that will be self-evident as you read the papers. Therefore, you will also see why it’s so important to understand our past! <snip>
Love,
Wes

If there is anyone familiar with Wes Penre's solutions, who would enjoy posting a summary of the proposed solutions, I would really enjoy reading it.

I am very thirsty for workable solutions while seemingly swimming in an ocean of information and disinformation that seems to lead nowhere beyond simply understanding the need to become as self reliant (http://ronmauer.net/blog/) as possible.

Perhaps there are many here who are just as thirsty for a summary.

I am sure the background information is useful, and many will need it. In this moment, for me, a summary of workable solutions that can be evaluated by my own gut feelings could be very valuable.

[naste.de.lumina]

The escape from this trap is simple



If there is anyone familiar with Wes Penre's solutions, who would enjoy posting a summary of the proposed solutions, I would really enjoy reading it.

I am very thirsty for workable solutions while seemingly swimming in an ocean of information and disinformation that seems to lead nowhere beyond simply understanding the need to become as self reliant (http://ronmauer.net/blog/) as possible.

Perhaps there are many here who are just as thirsty for a summary.

I am sure the background information is useful, and many will need it. In this moment, for me, a summary of workable solutions that can be evaluated by my own gut feelings could be very valuable.

Ron Mauer Sr,

The below is not a summary itself, but one of the pages of the wespenre papers, which deals with the subject: 'escape samsara wheel of reincarnation'.

There are other passages in which Wes develops on this subject, but I think this could be considered a good summary described by himself.

Source: http://wespenre.com/4/paper15-postdiluvian-times-lucifer-building-his-plans.htm#iii.i



iii.i. More on How to Escape Lucifer’s Afterlife Trap

I can understand if it may sound scary to choose not to go to the Light because many of us are afraid of the unknown—whereas, the Light feels “safe” because we’ve gone there so many times, and “everybody else” who went there seems to have done just fine. However, remember that you are being multidimensional every single night you go to sleep and dream. This is a taste of what is awaiting after we die—except, after we die, we are in charge of our “dreams” and can create consciously what we create unconsciously during REM sleep.

However, this only gives a partial picture, so let’s get a little bit more into detail about what I have learned recently on the details about escaping the AIF Afterlife Trap once and for all.

Those who have come to the point in their awareness level that they are reading this don’t have to worry about getting “stuck” in the ether and become a “lost soul.” The reader of this material is far beyond that because you know too much. Instead, when you die, you will most probably be approached by your guide of guides as usual, and he or she wants to help you “cross over,” and if you allow this, it will lead you through the Tunnel. In some cases, there are no guides in the beginning, and the Tunnel will open up in front of you, but at a distance. Normally, souls feel the attraction and gravitation from the Tunnel and start moving toward it, consciously or unconsciously—like a leaf being sucked in by a vacuum cleaner.

Here, I believe, it’s a good idea to put up a list, in order to easier absorb the information I’m about to give you.

1. Instead of letting yourself be “hypnotized” by its attraction, turn and look in the opposite direction (you will have 360° vision, and you can still concentrate on looking in a certain direction) and move away from the Tunnel (you do this by “thinking” yourself as moving—it’s all about thoughts and intention in this dimension). Remember, you, as a soul of Fire, are far stronger than the centrifugal force that pulls you toward the Tunnel. Don’t try to fight it—that’s not the way to do it. Instead, think yourself away from it! The Tunnel with the Light on the other side of it is a sophisticated hologram, and all you need to do is to think yourself in another direction, and the Tunnel will fade away.

2. Soon you will see the Grid as a fuzzy “barrier” in front of you, or above you (there are no ups and downs or left and right in space). You will also see that it has holes in it—like a Swiss cheese. Move through one of these holes.

3. You will now see the Universe the way it is, i.e. you will now be truly interdimensional. This means you will see a much larger universe than you are used to. This is possible because you are outside the Grid, and you’re not in a programmed body—you are meeting the Universe as a pure spirit of Fires with an Avatar, which is your mind. When astronauts are allowed outside the Grid, they are still restricted by their bodies and will remain in 3-D, but on a slightly higher vibration because the Earth is tilted and the Grid is no longer doing its work on these astronauts.

What you experience outside the Grid, as a discarnate spirit, can be quite overwhelming and impressive. Probably for the first time, you see the Universe as it really is, with the KHAA and everything. When you read this, you are still limited with your five senses, but a good idea is to prepare yourself mentally for what is out there. It’s not at all going to be a negative experience, just very different! You will also see the Space War that is going on in the solar system, and you will notice the soldiers fighting in other dimensions, which you now are going to have access to. In order to prepare, a recommended reading is my free e-book, “Beyond 2012—a Handbook for the New Era (http://wespenre.com/books/Beyond-2012-A-Handbook-for-the-New-Era.pdf).” There are of course other materials that you can use as well—these papers will also do the job.

4. As a Fire riding an Avatar, you are now free to go more or less anywhere in the Universe. I talked earlier about “Universities”—that certain star systems work as universities do here on Earth. You may go there and explore what they have to offer, to see if it interests you, but the more appropriate or easier way would be to first know what you want to do or what you want to learn. Let’s say you want to learn about how to build interdimensional space crafts. Then you think yourself to a university that teaches that, and you will nanotravel there as fast as you think it. As I see it, you need to concentrate on that thought, so it becomes dominant over your other thoughts at that moment—that’s all you need to do.

I have talked to a few humans who are able to nanotravel—one of them gained the ability after a serious car accident. He said that we have nothing to worry about—once we’re free from our bodies, we know automatically how to do this. In the beginning, not only will we be stunned but also impressed. We will think it’s fun and probably want to play around with it. The fear and anxiety we may have while in our bodies are gone once we enter the spirit world.

Once you’re at a university, you will meet with star beings who will ask you what you wish to do. If your aura and your chakras are open like a book, they will already know because you communicate telepathically, but if it’s closed—either because of fear, or intentionally, to protect your thoughts—they will not know. Once they are told, they will advise you whether you qualify or not. If you don’t, you can ask them where you should go first to eventually qualify for their dimension of learning.

If you want to go to Orion, you think yourself there and you will stand before the “Gates of the Orion Empire,” and a similar procedure will take place. You may want to tell them that you are a human soul, and you may most likely qualify to get into the higher dimensions of the KHAA, but once “inside,” you will find out which University level you qualify for, depending on your current knowledge as a spirit, what you want to do, and your personality.

5. You may instead just want to travel around in the Universe as a Soul/Avatar and explore before you decide to find a new “home.” You will notice that you can think yourself anywhere and you will get there, but also you can create your own environment as you wish—similar to what Q did in Star Trek. You may want to have fun with that for a while, too, before you do anything else. Remember that you can’t really get lost because if you don’t know where you are, you can think yourself to be anywhere—even back in the solar system, if you wish.

6. You will most certainly also meet with other beings as you think yourself away. You can tell them you’re not interested (in a polite manner), or you can join them. First, however, feel out their energies and trust your intuition! If you are still uncertain, ask where they come from and why they want your company. Always shield yourself with a golden aura by thinking it up around yourself, and make sure not to have any holes in it. You will find out for yourself that it works!

Remember that just because your creators happen to be Orions, it doesn’t mean you have to go there if you don’t want to. No one will hold that against you, and you can always go there later, whenever you want to. You may even choose to join a group of beings you like and co-create an interdimensional reality—either in space, on a planet, in a star, or in a nebula. The options are endless, only limited by your own creativity. You will notice that the Universe bends to your will, thoughts, and intentions.

Any of this sounds much better than to be recycled into slavery again, doesn’t it? We have the Fire of the Mother Goddess, so we are privileged that way –more so than other star races out there. Those out there who have access to the KHAA (just like you will) can also create without technology, but as a human soul, you automatically have access to the KHAA and to the Orion Empire, unless you’ve done things that are excessively harmful to the Empire, your fellow man, or other star races. Other star races will have to “earn” their way into Orion, while you can come in without any prerequisites, except for the ones I just mentioned.

What you do miss out on (perhaps only temporary, but still) is the loss of your human body, in case you decide not to reincarnate on Earth again. In an upcoming paper, I will discuss more about the incredible vessel we call the human body, what it is capable of, and what it can do for you as a Fire/Avatar. Once that is explained and you want to continue going back to Earth in the next incarnation to inhabit one of these vessels again—this time with a higher level of knowledge—you can. You don’t have to go into the Tunnel in order to do that. You can reincarnate on Gaia without “help” from the AIF, but you would still have amnesia. However, you would operate on a higher level here on Earth than you’ve done so far, and with time, you will expand your awareness and your consciousness even more. If you choose this path, you will help rebuilding the Library, and the reward will be a body I will be talking about later. The choice is yours, and there is no right or wrong choices here—it’s entirely up to you. The only thing I advise everybody to do is to avoid the Tunnel and the Light!

I Hope this helps.

Naste.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The escape from this trap is simple

If there is anyone familiar with Wes Penre's solutions, who would enjoy posting a summary of the proposed solutions, I would really enjoy reading it.

I am very thirsty for workable solutions while seemingly swimming in an ocean of information and disinformation that seems to lead nowhere beyond simply understanding the need to become as self reliant (http://ronmauer.net/blog/) as possible.

Perhaps there are many here who are just as thirsty for a summary.

I am sure the background information is useful, and many will need it. In this moment, for me, a summary of workable solutions that can be evaluated by my own gut feelings could be very valuable.

Ron Mauer Sr,

The below is not a summary itself, but one of the pages of the wespenre papers, which deals with the subject: 'escape samsara wheel of reincarnation'.

There are other passages in which Wes develops on this subject, but I think this could be considered a good summary described by himself.

Source: http://wespenre.com/4/paper15-postdiluvian-times-lucifer-building-his-plans.htm#iii.i



iii.i. More on How to Escape Lucifer’s Afterlife Trap

I can understand if it may sound scary to choose not to go to the Light because many of us are afraid of the unknown—whereas, the Light feels “safe” because we’ve gone there so many times, and “everybody else” who went there seems to have done just fine. However, remember that you are being multidimensional every single night you go to sleep and dream. This is a taste of what is awaiting after we die—except, after we die, we are in charge of our “dreams” and can create consciously what we create unconsciously during REM sleep.

However, this only gives a partial picture, so let’s get a little bit more into detail about what I have learned recently on the details about escaping the AIF Afterlife Trap once and for all.

Those who have come to the point in their awareness level that they are reading this don’t have to worry about getting “stuck” in the ether and become a “lost soul.” The reader of this material is far beyond that because you know too much. Instead, when you die, you will most probably be approached by your guide of guides as usual, and he or she wants to help you “cross over,” and if you allow this, it will lead you through the Tunnel. In some cases, there are no guides in the beginning, and the Tunnel will open up in front of you, but at a distance. Normally, souls feel the attraction and gravitation from the Tunnel and start moving toward it, consciously or unconsciously—like a leaf being sucked in by a vacuum cleaner.

Here, I believe, it’s a good idea to put up a list, in order to easier absorb the information I’m about to give you.

1. Instead of letting yourself be “hypnotized” by its attraction, turn and look in the opposite direction (you will have 360° vision, and you can still concentrate on looking in a certain direction) and move away from the Tunnel (you do this by “thinking” yourself as moving—it’s all about thoughts and intention in this dimension). Remember, you, as a soul of Fire, are far stronger than the centrifugal force that pulls you toward the Tunnel. Don’t try to fight it—that’s not the way to do it. Instead, think yourself away from it! The Tunnel with the Light on the other side of it is a sophisticated hologram, and all you need to do is to think yourself in another direction, and the Tunnel will fade away.

2. Soon you will see the Grid as a fuzzy “barrier” in front of you, or above you (there are no ups and downs or left and right in space). You will also see that it has holes in it—like a Swiss cheese. Move through one of these holes.

3. You will now see the Universe the way it is, i.e. you will now be truly interdimensional. This means you will see a much larger universe than you are used to. This is possible because you are outside the Grid, and you’re not in a programmed body—you are meeting the Universe as a pure spirit of Fires with an Avatar, which is your mind. When astronauts are allowed outside the Grid, they are still restricted by their bodies and will remain in 3-D, but on a slightly higher vibration because the Earth is tilted and the Grid is no longer doing its work on these astronauts.

What you experience outside the Grid, as a discarnate spirit, can be quite overwhelming and impressive. Probably for the first time, you see the Universe as it really is, with the KHAA and everything. When you read this, you are still limited with your five senses, but a good idea is to prepare yourself mentally for what is out there. It’s not at all going to be a negative experience, just very different! You will also see the Space War that is going on in the solar system, and you will notice the soldiers fighting in other dimensions, which you now are going to have access to. In order to prepare, a recommended reading is my free e-book, “Beyond 2012—a Handbook for the New Era (http://wespenre.com/books/Beyond-2012-A-Handbook-for-the-New-Era.pdf).” There are of course other materials that you can use as well—these papers will also do the job.

4. As a Fire riding an Avatar, you are now free to go more or less anywhere in the Universe. I talked earlier about “Universities”—that certain star systems work as universities do here on Earth. You may go there and explore what they have to offer, to see if it interests you, but the more appropriate or easier way would be to first know what you want to do or what you want to learn. Let’s say you want to learn about how to build interdimensional space crafts. Then you think yourself to a university that teaches that, and you will nanotravel there as fast as you think it. As I see it, you need to concentrate on that thought, so it becomes dominant over your other thoughts at that moment—that’s all you need to do.

I have talked to a few humans who are able to nanotravel—one of them gained the ability after a serious car accident. He said that we have nothing to worry about—once we’re free from our bodies, we know automatically how to do this. In the beginning, not only will we be stunned but also impressed. We will think it’s fun and probably want to play around with it. The fear and anxiety we may have while in our bodies are gone once we enter the spirit world.

Once you’re at a university, you will meet with star beings who will ask you what you wish to do. If your aura and your chakras are open like a book, they will already know because you communicate telepathically, but if it’s closed—either because of fear, or intentionally, to protect your thoughts—they will not know. Once they are told, they will advise you whether you qualify or not. If you don’t, you can ask them where you should go first to eventually qualify for their dimension of learning.

If you want to go to Orion, you think yourself there and you will stand before the “Gates of the Orion Empire,” and a similar procedure will take place. You may want to tell them that you are a human soul, and you may most likely qualify to get into the higher dimensions of the KHAA, but once “inside,” you will find out which University level you qualify for, depending on your current knowledge as a spirit, what you want to do, and your personality.

5. You may instead just want to travel around in the Universe as a Soul/Avatar and explore before you decide to find a new “home.” You will notice that you can think yourself anywhere and you will get there, but also you can create your own environment as you wish—similar to what Q did in Star Trek. You may want to have fun with that for a while, too, before you do anything else. Remember that you can’t really get lost because if you don’t know where you are, you can think yourself to be anywhere—even back in the solar system, if you wish.

6. You will most certainly also meet with other beings as you think yourself away. You can tell them you’re not interested (in a polite manner), or you can join them. First, however, feel out their energies and trust your intuition! If you are still uncertain, ask where they come from and why they want your company. Always shield yourself with a golden aura by thinking it up around yourself, and make sure not to have any holes in it. You will find out for yourself that it works!

Remember that just because your creators happen to be Orions, it doesn’t mean you have to go there if you don’t want to. No one will hold that against you, and you can always go there later, whenever you want to. You may even choose to join a group of beings you like and co-create an interdimensional reality—either in space, on a planet, in a star, or in a nebula. The options are endless, only limited by your own creativity. You will notice that the Universe bends to your will, thoughts, and intentions.

Any of this sounds much better than to be recycled into slavery again, doesn’t it? We have the Fire of the Mother Goddess, so we are privileged that way –more so than other star races out there. Those out there who have access to the KHAA (just like you will) can also create without technology, but as a human soul, you automatically have access to the KHAA and to the Orion Empire, unless you’ve done things that are excessively harmful to the Empire, your fellow man, or other star races. Other star races will have to “earn” their way into Orion, while you can come in without any prerequisites, except for the ones I just mentioned.

What you do miss out on (perhaps only temporary, but still) is the loss of your human body, in case you decide not to reincarnate on Earth again. In an upcoming paper, I will discuss more about the incredible vessel we call the human body, what it is capable of, and what it can do for you as a Fire/Avatar. Once that is explained and you want to continue going back to Earth in the next incarnation to inhabit one of these vessels again—this time with a higher level of knowledge—you can. You don’t have to go into the Tunnel in order to do that. You can reincarnate on Gaia without “help” from the AIF, but you would still have amnesia. However, you would operate on a higher level here on Earth than you’ve done so far, and with time, you will expand your awareness and your consciousness even more. If you choose this path, you will help rebuilding the Library, and the reward will be a body I will be talking about later. The choice is yours, and there is no right or wrong choices here—it’s entirely up to you. The only thing I advise everybody to do is to avoid the Tunnel and the Light!I Hope this helps.

Naste.

Thank you very much Naste.

This information feels accurate. But it is focused on choices we have after croaking. Very important indeed.

I wonder if Wes Penre's information includes suggestions of what can be done here and now, while we are in this level of the multidimensional chess game. Probably many have come here to help earth humans break loose from limitation and manipulation. Or maybe this experience (as it is) has great value for those who wish to play the game, get trapped, or not. Wish I knew.

Sometimes I wonder if the eternal beings that we are can really make a mistake.

Wes Penre's information answers some of the questions I've asked Simon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens./), and supports some of my own dreams.

My plan after croaking is to turn away from the tunnel and light, then visit any life form, and place I have ever loved, come and go on my command.

But being somewhat practical, since I am still here, perhaps there is work I still need to do.

[Wes Penre]

Hi Ron,

First, thanks Naste for quoting the passages from the paper! And Ron, I'd like to add something to this as well + give my view on the questions you have. We are all going to drop our bodies one day, so it would be nice if we knew what to do, right? :-) If humanity would get rid of the fear that is connected with the uncertainty about death, what then would there be to be afraid of?

Anyway, my stepdaughter has a birthday party today, so I'm getting off work early to attend. I don't want to rush an answer, so I will most probably be able to come back here tomorrow to continue this discussion.

[naste.de.lumina]

Thank you very much Naste.

This information feels accurate. But it is focused on choices we have after croaking. Very important indeed.

I wonder if Wes Penre's information includes suggestions of what can be done here and now, while we are in this level of the multidimensional chess game. Probably many have come here to help earth humans break loose from limitation and manipulation. Or maybe this experience (as it is) has great value for those who wish to play the game, get trapped, or not. Wish I knew.

Sometimes I wonder if the eternal beings that we are can really make a mistake.

Wes Penre's information answers some of the questions I've asked Simon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens./), and supports some of my own dreams.

My plan after croaking is to turn away from the tunnel and light, then visit any life form, and place I have ever loved, come and go on my command.

But being somewhat practical, if I am still here, perhaps there is work I still need to do.

I can understand your concern. It makes sense to pay attention.

Yes, I remember several passes over solutions. And I have not read 100% of the material. Perhaps 50%. But I read some texts more than once. One of them is the one below. The papers contains much more information about practices and physical attitudes to be taken. I just do not remember where to find each of them, sorry.

My general impression is that Wes has an optimistic message about possibilities and opportunities in relation to his perception of the whole drama. I share his optimism if this is the case. At least on a personal level I think I have a choice and possibilities. We all have.

Hug.

Naste.

The Third Level of Learning
Paper #10: The Splitting of the Worlds Part 2:
Evolving without Technology (http://wespenre.com/3/paper10-evolving-without-technology.htm#II.)



III. Building Communities

Some people will notice that they are able to create such a safe environment exactly where they live, with their current neighbors and in the current little town in which they may live and therefore have little need to move to some kind of community to live with likeminded. There is no need to change something that is already working for you. In other cases, Section II above has prepared you how to use your energy on your environment; an ability you may want to use when it's time to perhaps get together with likeminded.

Like we talked about in the previous paper, businesses will move into the big SmartCities and leave nearly nothing left in the smaller towns and cities, which will sometimes become just like ghost towns. Here is where some people with a similar mindset may want to build their new communities, which are based on self-sufficiency. People will build their own gardens and plant their own food and live close to Nature. Those who have studied rituals will know how to make contact with Mother Earth through those, which will help the crops grow, etc. This is basically nothing new, but more a matter of going back to the "old ways", before we became "civilized".

This way of living may in the beginning be attacked by the authorities, who will create laws against planting anything at all that is not GM food (genetically manipulated food) and Monsanto based, and people may have to shut down their gardens, only to either start them up again when the government inspector has left, or move to somewhere else until the authorities give up. They will have plenty to take care of elsewhere, and the communities will be more and more, which will eventually make it hard for the inspections to take place at all. And people will become quite clever at tricking the government once they learn how their bureaucracy works. It can be frustrating and inconvenient at first, but it's a matter of being persistent.

There are going to be people who want to have nothing to do with technology or society whatsoever and simply move up in the mountains or deep into the forests and build their communities there, like many did in the 70s and 80s. Some say that wouldn't work, because it didn't work back then, but back in the hippie era, very little was known about what is going on in the world. The young generation felt something was wrong and that there was too much corruption in high places, but they didn't know what we know now. If they would have, these people would have been more serious about it, and there would have been a much greater chance that it would have worked.

Lastly, some communities are probably also going to be built out of anger and disgust. People will be so furious when they notice the extent of deception their leaders have subjected them to that they will leave society in pure rage and build their own communities, refusing to pay taxes that support the crimes of the few. These communities, over time, may very well also turn into very positive ones, so there will be many different ways how these communities will start. Other people may prefer to live alone but still be self-sufficient and only sporadically connect to a community, and that will also be well accepted. There will be many different ways to do this, and how it's done is not of that much importance; the important thing is that we break out of the manipulation we are living under and refuse to be slaves under the Machine Kingdom. It's the thought form that is important, and that we put energy on that thought form.

People are asking if these future communities will have any leaders. I would think that there will be a mix; some communities will have their local leaders, which the rest of the community has appointed. These local leaders will not live in a special building where they can get away with doing harmful things, but will live among the rest of the people, like one of them. The only reason someone is appointed will probably be because some people have excellent leader skills, which is not a bad thing if they lead from their heart chakra and listen to the rest of the community and don't make important decisions behind their backs. The best leader is one who knows what the people want and gets the job done in such a laid back way that the people think it was them who did it, and it was done exactly the way they wanted it!

Other communities may prefer not to have leaders, but instead have other ways to deal with things internally.

[Bluegreen]

Hi Ron
Go to "Soul-lutions" on the site
Mr. Penre thank you so much for your efforts
They are appreciated
Love,
Bluegreen

[Delight]

You mentioned in numerous times on weapons that have the capacity to destroy the soul (the avatar of light) and consequently the unique individuality of the self.

The first question I have is:

You found during your research, mentions of the 'popularity' of this type of weapon (destructive avatars)? This weapons exist at the individual level, like a pistol or other technological device?[QUOTE=Divine Feminine;939542][QUOTE]1. The way I understand it is that there are multiple kinds of weapons that can do this (kill the avatar). Just as we have multiple kinds of weapons here on Earth—the ETs do as well. However, they all accomplish the same thing, right? They kill!

When I first realized that these guys (the ETs) actually use weapons in their Galactic Wars that kill the avatar (light-body) in their victims, it came as quite a shock. Does that mean that if one of these being shot me with that kind of weapon, my soul and personality would die?

The thing is that we all need an avatar to be able to maneuver in the Universe. It’s like a vehicle—some ancient texts (such as the Vedas) use the analogy of horses at times to describe the avatar. If the avatar gets destroyed, the soul can’t go anywhere and eventually dissolves and becomes one with the universal energy. The soul personality “disappears.”

I thought the soul was immortal, so this came as a shock until I found out more how this works. As I’m sure many of you know, all time is simultaneous. Now, let’s take me as an example, but it is the same for all of us. I have multiple “soul splits” or “fractions” spread out over the Earth timeline (if we think in linear time. I need to mix linear time and simultaneous time in this example). One soul fraction may be living in the 15th Century and another 3,000 years ago, while another lives in the future and so on. In the beginning, these fractions were all “me” and had the same personality. However; because I get amnesia every time I enter a new body, I am separated from the other fractions of myself, and they are separated from each other as well for the same reasons. This means that each fraction will have different experiences and will react to these experiences in certain ways, and they’ll learn from this. Then they have another experience and then another and so on. This way, each fraction develops a unique personality, different from all other fractions. Hence, if I would meet a fraction of myself from the 15th Century, for example, he or she would probably be very different from me; he might even be a skilled soldier or a criminal because of the combined experiences he’s had during multiple lifetimes.

So now we have a bunch of soul fractions of myself spread out over time, and they have all developed different personalities. Now, let’s say that one of these ETs shoots my avatar to pieces. That means that my particular personality that writes this will “die” and dissolve. Wes Penre will not exist anymore. However, I as a soul will still exist in all the other personalities spread out over time, so I am not really dead, except in my current personality is.

Now bear with me. This is something unique for humans because ETs don’t have amnesia! ETs also have split soul fragments spread throughout the Universe, but the soul fragments of a particular ET all have the same personality and are aware of each other all the time! So let’s say that En.ki’s soul that exists here in the Earth vicinity right now will have the avatar shot to pieces. His soul fragment will “die” just as ours, but he has a lot of others spread out and they have the same personality, so En.ki as a personality will not die. The problem, however, for En.ki in this example, is that the other soul fragments may not be located here around Earth, and he would have to fight his way back here in case there would be opposed ETs guarding the solar system at its fringes. It’s more than possible, though, that En.ki has more than one soul fragment positioned in this solar system. He can be at several places simultaneously.

This is something that needs to be pondered upon because it’s hard for us with our limited neurological system to comprehend this to its full extent. My explanation here is of course very simplified, just as it has to be to be understood by 3-D being like ourselves.

However, even if all my avatars and soul fragments here on Earth would be destroyed for some reason, I still have my Oversoul, with which the soul fragments are connected to in the first place. This Oversoul exists outside the Universes, in its own “dimension,” although I am not even sure that it can be called dimension. Anyway, the Oversoul is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Therefore, we ARE all immortal and eternal.




I wonder if we might be too attached to this idea of our avatar. To be occupied in the body is what we are experiencing. I notice that being afraid about what will happen about this particular body (extrapolate to "soul fragment") is being constantly worried for the body. It seems to me if I really deeply knew and lived from the understanding that this little body is just an avatar, I'd be less prone to constraints meant to keep it going.

There really is only this moment. My challenge is deeply feeling this moment without flinching in fear. Trust is necessary and the "zeitgeist" gives me fear at every corner...and so I must just go around the common ideas and just feel "Trust by golly" without verification from authority.

This fear that an ET has a weapon etc. that can kill me and that there is a certain way to avoid and NOT part of my direct experience but intellectual is rather second hand smoke for me. To be concerned with what I cannot experience at the moment is sort of paranoia inducing. I have enough challenge living in the body on this planet and really being fully in this life.

What I do experience directly is that this body is challenged by the temptation to be more and more constricted energetically. What I also experience is that by making a decision (intention) that the Universe is Benevolent (by golly!!), that all occurs for me right on time orchestrated for my good (heck yes!!), I am able to relax.


IMO I just cannot afford to be worried. It takes my energy. By countering doubt (constriction) with relaxation (opening, expansion), the body I am aware of opens. The energy I feel flows. This relaxation is letting energy in and I know this is as true as I can say about anything.

Even dealing with the doubt that I AM in a benevolent Universe is the work at hand daily countering the collective message. It is not that I know in my gut this to be true all the time, that all is well. This is a work of focus using intention and feeling it real.

This work is not anything the world will offer me. I have to create this relationship with original benevolence (Pronoia). And when I do again and again, I feel the energy flow of well being in the only place I am conscious...here in form.

IMo a grasping ego-ish concern of death in any format is one that might keep us from being fearless?

If this is a temporary personality that will "die" and if what is relevant exists at a larger context (like "oversoul" but all these are words), I'll maybe never know that. It is just fine as I will be no longer conscious in that case.

Thanks for the place speak. Maggie

[Wes Penre]

I wonder if we might be too attached to this idea of our avatar. To be occupied in the body is what we are experiencing. I notice that being afraid about what will happen about this particular body (extrapolate to "soul fragment") is being constantly worried for the body. It seems to me if I really deeply knew and lived from the understanding that this little body is just an avatar, I'd be less prone to constraints meant to keep it going.

There really is only this moment. My challenge is deeply feeling this moment without flinching in fear. Trust is necessary and the "zeitgeist" gives me fear at every corner...and so I must just go around the common ideas and just feel "Trust by golly" without verification from authority.

This fear that an ET has a weapon etc. that can kill me and that there is a certain way to avoid and NOT part of my direct experience but intellectual is rather second hand smoke for me. To be concerned with what I cannot experience at the moment is sort of paranoia inducing. I have enough challenge living in the body on this planet and really being fully in this life.

What I do experience directly is that this body is challenged by the temptation to be more and more constricted energetically. What I also experience is that by making a decision (intention) that the Universe is Benevolent (by golly!!), that all occurs for me right on time orchestrated for my good (heck yes!!), I am able to relax.


IMO I just cannot afford to be worried. It takes my energy. By countering doubt (constriction) with relaxation (opening, expansion), the body I am aware of opens. The energy I feel flows. This relaxation is letting energy in and I know this is as true as I can say about anything.

Even dealing with the doubt that I AM in a benevolent Universe is the work at hand daily countering the collective message. It is not that I know in my gut this to be true all the time, that all is well. This is a work of focus using intention and feeling it real.

This work is not anything the world will offer me. I have to create this relationship with original benevolence (Pronoia). And when I do again and again, I feel the energy flow of well being in the only place I am conscious...here in form.

IMo a grasping ego-ish concern of death in any format is one that might keep us from being fearless?

If this is a temporary personality that will "die" and if what is relevant exists at a larger context (like "oversoul" but all these are words), I'll maybe never know that. It is just fine as I will be no longer conscious in that case.

Thanks for the place speak. Maggie

Hi Maggie,

I totally understand you concern, and also agree to the most part on what you're saying. First, I was thinking both twice and three times before I shared the information about the weapons in my papers. For a long time, I avoided to publish it. However, when I became totally sure of that we actually can escape the trap, I decided that people should at least know about what's going on--even if it's bad news. In reality, it's bad news for humans (in our ignorant conditions) and not for "them," as I explained above, but to expand on this; here is the positive news:

You are absolutely right about that the Multiverse is at the most part a friendly place. This doesn't mean that everything is friendly, of course (as above, so below). Here on Earth, it's hard for us humans to avoid the bad things that are happening (such as wars, famine, disease, worries about jobs etc.), but once we free ourselves from this trap, we are no longer under the rulership of these negative beings. We never need to "see" them again if we don't want to. If we don't vibrate on their frequency (once we're free from the trap), we are no longer experiencing their wars and little games that are pretty low frequency, if we use this term.

Therefore, we shouldn't be too concerned as long as we are willing to learn. Those who unfortunately are in danger for both "this" and "that" are people who refuse to look at things outside the box (and I of course do not mean you here, Maggie). How can we be safe if we don't learn, and over and over get reincarnated into this reality? We can't be, so therefore we need to change the "game." To change the game, we need to know the game, however.

As I also discuss in the papers; once we're not subjected to this electronic prison anymore, we are again becoming multi-d - automatically. Then we can create whatever reality we want. I explain and discuss all this in the papers. I know that some of the info may be fearful for people, but if we close our eyes and don't want to look at it; that's when it bites us in the neck.

So I know where you're coming from, Maggie, and I don't mean, and do not push in the papers, that the future is negative and fearful--in fact, it can't be more positive; if we are willing to learn :-). The ones I'm concerned about are the majority of people on the planet. However, it's not too late yet. Changes can happen fast.

[Wes Penre]

As of the info in my paper being "second hand info" for you and others is correct when it comes to some of the info (a small part), but the great majority of it is, as I mentioned earlier, very carefully referenced to real evidence, not somehting that "others said." Of course, in a great body of work like this, some of it will be second hand info for the reader, but that's when you need to use discernment. These are all my experiences and my research that I'm sharing with the world. For those that it doesn't resonate with should of course not take it to heart. I'll be the first to emphasize that. Only keep what feels right for you.

Just make sure that your decisions are not made because something was taken out of context. If you haven't read the papers, it's hard to analyse information such as the "weapons" for example.

[Wes Penre]

I haven't forgotten about you, Ron :-). I'll do everything I can to write more tonight (and I believe I can do that)...

[Wes Penre]

If there is anyone familiar with Wes Penre's solutions, who would enjoy posting a summary of the proposed solutions, I would really enjoy reading it.

I am very thirsty for workable solutions while seemingly swimming in an ocean of information and disinformation that seems to lead nowhere beyond simply understanding the need to become as self reliant as possible.

Perhaps there are many here who are just as thirsty for a summary.

I am sure the background information is useful, and many will need it. In this moment, for me, a summary of workable solutions that can be evaluated by my own gut feelings could be very valuable.

Hi Ron,
I don’t have a summary, unfortunately. There are a few readers who have asked for one, but I am afraid I can’t write one that I would be comfortable with. I counted the papers yesterday just to make sure I really gave the correct information, and I counted them to 2,864 pages altogether. After I wrote the papers, I basically took out hundreds of pages that didn’t necessarily have to be there, and this is the result. I can’t make them justice if I make a summary because I know that people would use that instead of reading the papers (that doesn’t go for everyone, but many would). That’s the last thing I want to happen.

The Avalon forum is so huge and well known and well respected that many people are reading our threads. I don’t want them to copy and paste the summary and call it good. That wouldn’t be helpful, in my opinion.

One could argue that “how many people will read 2864 pages?” That’s true, but those who do are the ones that are ready for them (that goes for all material that is written ‘out of the box’). I can say for sure that I wouldn’t have been ready for the papers myself let’s say six years ago. Some of it, yes, but there is much in them that has never been exposed before—at least not in modern age.

The bottom line is that I personally believe that all the info is important (and I took out what wasn’t), and that the entire series of papers make the whole picture I want to share.

When it comes to so[u]lutions, I believe that knowledge is the soulution—the soul is drawn to the correct information as it goes along. Sometimes we all stumble on disinfo and think that it’s correct, but then after a while, we abandon it, and we’re on track again until the next bump in the road. Eventually we get to the point where a workable soulution is presented to us, and we realize that we had it inside all the time—and that inside ourselves is the place to look. So also in the case of the papers. You can’t escape the trap without moving inwards. We just need to be persistent.

We are doing a lot just by educating ourselves. That raises our vibrations, and it affects the world around us. Every single being counts, and that’s another thing people will understand after have read the papers. You (Ron) are making a difference every day by being who you are—a seeker of truth. Sometimes we think we are not doing enough, or we start questioning ourselves; are we really making any difference??? I have come to the conclusion that YES, we really, really are! Being yourself, applying what you learn, be loving and kind, and be an example for others. If you can do that—that’s the best you can do. You can never change anybody else. Everybody needs to change themselves. You can only help others realizing by example that they need to change, too.

When it comes to getting out of the trap, individual by individual, I explain that by showing how to bypass the afterlife trap. However, I am now working on an e-book about exactly what happens from when we leave the body at body death until we can escape the Grid. For many it will come naturally after have read the papers, but I know that some people may be fearful once they are there and have to make the decision (after they’ve died), and they choose the same trap again because it feels more “safe.” My upcoming book has as its intention to completely take away that fear.

[Delight]

As of the info in my paper being "second hand info" for you and others is correct when it comes to some of the info (a small part), but the great majority of it is, as I mentioned earlier, very carefully referenced to real evidence, not somehting that "others said." Of course, in a great body of work like this, some of it will be second hand info for the reader, but that's when you need to use discernment. These are all my experiences and my research that I'm sharing with the world. For those that it doesn't resonate with should of course not take it to heart. I'll be the first to emphasize that. Only keep what feels right for you.

Just make sure that your decisions are not made because something was taken out of context. If you haven't read the papers, it's hard to analyse information such as the "weapons" for example.


The Wes Penre Papers
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The Fifth Level of Learning
Paper 1
6
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The Destiny of a Royal Species!
18
The fantastic thing is that the human body has the whole Universe inside of it!
Many of us have said this many times, but does this statement really make people
blown away
in awe? It should!
Still, it is very hard for people to grasp this and really look inward
and task the body, “Is this real?” “Is this correct?” and wait for the body to respond. The marvelous thing is that the body
does respond. Different bodies may
respond differently to questions, but they do respond, and it’s up to the soul that
inhabits it to learn how the body works and how it communicates! Once the soul has figured that out, there is no longer any real need to look for answers outside. We may get information from outside—we get that constantly—but the processing should automatically happen inside!
We are too eager to say, “John Smith knows what he’s talking about. If he says it is so, it must be so!” We all do this to some extent, and the
first step is to learn to recognize when we do it, catch ourselves, and say to ourselves,
“Oh, I should really listen to what my
body has to say about this instead
!” and then ask the body.
If you think about it, the body is actually often giving you the answers and you know that it’s true in an instant. Someone may come up with a statement, and
you immediately know that it’s true
—you don’t even need to question it because you
already got an instant response from your body. You’re just not aware that it’s actually coming from the body.
...............................
We have the Akashic Records of the complete Universe inside our original DNA—we are like a Cosmic Encyclopedia. The only problem is that at the moment,we have forgotten how to access it. Yes, our DNA has been deactivated to a large
degree, but we can reactivate it just by starting to look for answers inside. Because of normal
universal processes that occur all the time, but
were sped up tremendously before 2012, we did start getting information from inside—sometimes we were aware of it, sometimes
we are not. It was actually a co-creation between the human body, the human soul, and galactic energy boosts that began to lighten up our dormant DNA.
Now it’s just a matter of doing it more on our own again when the galactic energy wave has passed.

I have read at the papers and I think of everything read, I take the above quote as it is what I experience.

In my past several years, I have been experiencing how weird it feels to try to stand in my body knowing. The daily life is really challenging as you mentioned, especially when people decide they will that what they participate within socially is in libne with what they feel.

I am appreciative of your responsiveness to the ones who have asked questions.

For me, this has to be the most excruciating time period of feelling contraction and attempting to live in expression of what feels genuine from my own inner realm out..... Thanks again

[Wes Penre]

Something I've noticed is that when I think that I'm becoming more and more fearless, there is something showing me that there's even silly things that I'm still afraid of; as if the Universe corrected me and said, "Don't come here and think that you don't have a lot of fears" LOL. We humans have a lot of baggage.

[Jules]

Something I've noticed is that when I think that I'm becoming more and more fearless, there is something showing me that there's even silly things that I'm still afraid of; as if the Universe corrected me and said, "Don't come here and think that you don't have a lot of fears" LOL. We humans have a lot of baggage.

Why is it that sometimes we go where others tremble to tread with no fear in us, and yet the smallest things (like traffic) scare us? We are a work in progress, no doubt. Anyway, I appreciate your writings, I was on your webpage almost 15-20 years ago (can you believe it). I never in a million years thought I would be conversing on Bill Ryan's forum with you! Truth is stranger than fiction. I wish you well in your education, as well as spiritual development. Good luck on your research and writings.

[Wes Penre]

Why is it that sometimes we go where others tremble to tread with no fear in us, and yet the smallest things (like traffic) scare us? We are a work in progress, no doubt. Anyway, I appreciate your writings, I was on your webpage almost 15-20 years ago (can you believe it). I never in a million years thought I would be conversing on Bill Ryan's forum with you! Truth is stranger than fiction. I wish you well in your education, as well as spiritual development. Good luck on your research and writings.

Yes, that's when I started. Well, I bought my absolute first computer in 1998 and published the first few articles on the www by the end of that year. That's what was to become "Illuminati News" (http://illuminati-news.com/)--the giant database that's still on the web and is still attracting the most visitors of all my websites. I like that website even though I am not updating it anymore. The information that's in there is what attracts people who are starting to wake up and want to explore. I don't mean that the info that's posted there is just for beginners--it's a giant database consisting of all sorts of information on the Illuminati, ETs, mind-control, mind-control in the music industry plus spiritual stuff--but I'm happy to see that Illuminati News is often the first, or one of the first websites new learners find on the web, and they write me with questions. I notice how enthusiastic many of these new people are, and I remember how I felt the same way in the beginning. I still feel the enthusiasm when I'm discovering new things, but it's different than it was back then when everything was new.

The first article I ever wrote was the "Read first" article on that same website (http://www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm). It's quite amazing to hear from someone who was there and saw it develop! Thanks for sharing, Jules!

[Iloveyou]

Started reading a few days ago and it surely will take me whole spring and summer to study the 2864 pages seriously for a first round. Yes, I will. It seems that I've found a map and a navigation tool, to organize and sort out my thoughts/ideas that have accumulated over the last 15 years and a solid foundation for discussion and further learning.

(I've been criss-crossing the available New Age libraries and been following PC/PA, but the picture remained kind of fragmentary, often contradictory (which is no fault, but in this case I needed a link to access a level where the various information can be related to each other in a reasonable way.)

And above all, I thank you for providing the translation (which is already available and more to come). Being able to read this body of complex and highly interrelated issues in my mother tongue will help a lot. Thank you. Iloveyou.

[Gardener]

Thank you 'Clarity' for starting this thread, Wes is new to me so I am a little embarrassed :) I guess I took another route, all roads... and all that.
Hello to Wes and welcome to Avalon! Thank you for this huge body of work, a quest for sure. (I am reading from the beginning and currently on level one) Below I have pasted a small quote from the paper 'Human Origins and the Living Library', sub heading 'Zeta Reticulans AKA Grays' a thought crossed my mind as I read this - there may be a clue here regarding the origin of the 'psychopath' so thought I would jot it down. (It may of course be covered at some later point)


Because the nuclear disaster affected everybody on the planet, all kinds of diversity was going on underground, too. They seemed to have one thing in common, though. After had pondered their new situation they came to the conclusion that the reason for the catastrophe was the species' emotional side. Therefore, they agreed to take out the emotional part from their biokind/biomind, and thus became quite emotionless.

[Wes Penre]

Started reading a few days ago and it surely will take me whole spring and summer to study the 2864 pages seriously for a first round. Yes, I will. It seems that I've found a map and a navigation tool, to organize and sort out my thoughts/ideas that have accumulated over the last 15 years and a solid foundation for discussion and further learning.

(I've been criss-crossing the available New Age libraries and been following PC/PA, but the picture remained kind of fragmentary, often contradictory (which is no fault, but in this case I needed a link to access a level where the various information can be related to each other in a reasonable way.)

And above all, I thank you for providing the translation (which is already available and more to come). Being able to read this body of complex and highly interrelated issues in my mother tongue will help a lot. Thank you. Iloveyou.

Hello Iloveyou! It looks to me when I study your profile that your first language is French, and the translators I am currently working with are Spanish, German, and French! I have already started posting the German and Spanish translations (and the Spanish one seems to go the fastest). If any of the readers of this forum prefers reading the papers in any of these three languages, there are links to these version on the main page (http://wespenre.com/). Almost at the top of the page you can see the three flags representing the three countries. Click on the link under the flag which represents yours, and there you have it! Remember, though, that all translations are under construction and each paper will be added as soon as they are translated. The only link that won't work yet is, unfortunately, the French one. The French translator wants to complete reading the First Level of Learning (http://wespenre.com/site-map.htm) before starting translating. So the French pages may take a little longer, but will hopefully be a reality, too!

Thank you for your interest in the papers, Iloveyou!

[Wes Penre]

Thank you 'Clarity' for starting this thread, Wes is new to me so I am a little embarrassed :) I guess I took another route, all roads... and all that.
Hello to Wes and welcome to Avalon! Thank you for this huge body of work, a quest for sure. (I am reading from the beginning and currently on level one) Below I have pasted a small quote from the paper 'Human Origins and the Living Library', sub heading 'Zeta Reticulans AKA Grays' a thought crossed my mind as I read this - there may be a clue here regarding the origin of the 'psychopath' so thought I would jot it down. (It may of course be covered at some later point)


Because the nuclear disaster affected everybody on the planet, all kinds of diversity was going on underground, too. They seemed to have one thing in common, though. After had pondered their new situation they came to the conclusion that the reason for the catastrophe was the species' emotional side. Therefore, they agreed to take out the emotional part from their biokind/biomind, and thus became quite emotionless.

Hi Gardener! The quote comes from Lyssa Royal's and Keith Priest's "The Prism of Lyra." It describes how the Greys supposedly were attacked in the Lyran system and their planet went into a wormhole, or something similar, and came out in the Zeta Reticuli system. I got it confirmed by the Life Physics Group California head quantum physicist, Dr. A.R. Bordon (recently deceased) that such a thing could happen to a planet. To make a long story short, the Greys allegedly have their current features because they were subjected to a large quantity of radiation. A decent amount of the Greys who lived underground on their planet survived the transition, and also got quite resistant to radiation.

So far Royal/Priest. My Third Level of Learning (http://wespenre.com/3/site-map3.htm) is about my analysis of channeling (and The Prism of Lyra is channeled). When I analyzed a lot of channeled material, I also looked into the "Grey" issue. There could actually be a basic truth to the Royal/Priest story above because my research led me to conclude (by using several independent sources) that the Alien Invader Force (whom I call the "AIF" and others call the "Anunnaki") are somehow connected with the Greys, and the Greys also seem to be both 3-D and interdimensional. When I continued digging, I came to the realization that there are many different kinds of Greys with different agendas. I'd like to talk a little bit about that. It's easiest if I categorize them this way:

1. The Zeta Greys. I am not even sure if they are in the Earth vicinity anymore, or if they ever were. See, their genetic setup is possibly what the AIF, led by the geneticist Lord En.ki, used in #2 below. We often hear about the Zeta Greys in Exopolitics, but I don't believe that the Greys that people are encountering are the original Zetas. Again, see #2 here below.

2. The AIF space suit. Because the Grey prototype (or template) is resistant to radiation and can also resist the harshness of space, En.ki and the AIF decided to use the Zetas' by radiation altered DNA (after the Zeta War, when their bodies were subjected to radiation) to build "space suits." The AIF are all interdimensional beings, and if they want to mingle with people of Earth, they would either have to,

a) use their avatars to shapeshift into any form they like (most of the time the human form, in order to blend in). They have the ability to lower the vibration of their avatar so that they show up in 3-D. They seem to be as solid as you and I, and you can shake hands with them and won't notice that they are not humans. They do this for temporary visits and to shock people by all of a sudden materialize out of nothing and disappear just as sudden if they like, but it becomes uncomfortable for them to stay in a shapeshifted form here in 3-D too long, and they tend to "bleed through" and go in and out between dimensions after a while, and will thus be detected. Hence, this is only for temporary visits.

b) Just as you and I, they can take a human baby body and grow up here, but with the help from their technology they can make sure that they have total recall--no amnesia, as you and I have. However, they need to choose a certain bloodline, strong enough to carry their energy. There are actually AIF members who choose this option for certain reasons when this option is needed.

c) They become "walk-ins." They take over a body that is already occupied by a human soul. That way they don't have to go through childhood. The human soul is either "kicked out" or put to sleep. There is usually a soul agreement between the human soul and the AIF soul when this happens (i.e. the human soul has been manipulated to agree to this in the Afterlife). There are certain universal laws the AIF doesn't want to break. As much as they can, they want to blame all the bad things that happen on humans. "Look, we didn't do it! The humans did it!" Or, "We did it, but the humans agreed! They are our allies, see?" This is important. They manipulate us so that we unwittingly agree to do the job for the AIF all the time (think about it and you'll see that I'm right). That way, the AIF gets away with it. "See, the humans are on our side!" This means, no one can help us because we are "technically" on the AIF's side--it doesn't matter if it's unwittingly. It's up to us to put our energies where they should belong. We are an evolving race and benevolent beings can't interfere with an evolving race; it goes against universal laws. Therefore, we're on our own as long as we "agree" with the AIF. We're not going to be treated like little babies by other, benevolent star beings. It's up to us to learn who's a friend and who's the foe.

d) The AIF have chambers on Earth, on Mars, and other places in the solar system where they keep human bodies in deep slumber. These are genetically engineered bodies, particularly created in a way so that an AIF soul can occupy them at any given moment and give these bodies life. Then they use these bodies when visiting Earth. You see, interdimensional beings don't travel through space in 3-D. They either travel with thought only, or interdimensionally, using stargates, Einstein-Rosen bridges and black holes, etc. No one travels between the stars in 3-D bodies.

e) They use "space-suits". Here is where the Zeta Greys space suits come in, so let's go back to talk about those:

The AIF are using the Grey templates to use as “space suits.” This means that AIF souls occupy these genetically manipulated Grey bodies and operate them as their own. The Grey bodies are 3-D and can thereby be used here on Earth and in space, when they want to travel within the solar system or at its outer fringes. A human body can’t withstand the harshness of space; the radiation being the number one obstacle. Therefore, no human body has traveled in NASA space suits to the Moon or to Mars—that’s impossible! They would have died before they knew it! That doesn’t mean that humans haven’t been to the moon or to Mars—they have. But they have traveled through stargates, bridges, and wormholes. A couple of seconds and “snap!” they’re there!

Anyway, many people say that they’ve seen the Nordics together with the Greys. No, what they have seen is the AIF (Anunnaki) being in shapeshifted mode, accompanied by other Anunnaki in Grey 3-D space suits!

So this is ONE type of Greys. In my next post, I’ll talk about the second type of Greys.

[Wes Penre]

More kinds of Greys

In Part One (the post above) I talked about the first kind of Greys, which are the "Zeta Greys," whose radiation resistant DNA has been used by the AIF (Anunnaki) to build biological bodies very similar to the original 3-D Zeta Greys. Some AIF members can then occupy these Grey "space suit bodies" with their souls and animate them here in 3-D. They use these bodies all the time to travel within our solar system. This is why we see the 3-D, 4ft sized Greys so often--they are AIF in disguise. Now, let's go to Grey type #2.

Grey Type 2. I wrote about this type of Greys in the Third Level of Learning (http://wespenre.com/3/site-map3.htm) as well. They are actually us in the future. Some of these Greys have been channeled, and they call themselves "social memory complexes." They are run by a super-computer and have something similar to a "hive-mind," even though they still are capable of some individual thinking. I know many people who read this have heard of this before, but bear with me; this information will differ from the common information on this topic. These Greys are us in the future! It certainly seems like channeled material, such as the "Ra Material," comes from one group of these beings (they exist on different timelines).

In my papers, I discuss the "Machine Kingdom" to quite some extent. Very briefly, humanity is now at a crossroads; we can either decide to evolve on our own--without being manipulated by the AIF, or we get seduced by their technology (i.e. smart phones, computers, iPads, iPods...you name it) and choose to go in that direction. These devices are thus far only bad copies of what the AIF had during the Atlantean Era, but the AIF is rapidly improving these devices, as you have noticed, because they already have that technology + a thousand times more advanced technology as well. As you can see, young people in particular are totally absorbed by this new "smart technology." Everything that contains the word "smart" is part of the new trap. You have also heard of "Smart Cities," I'm sure. The bottom line is that the AIF is now promoting Artificial Intelligence, super-soldiers, cyborgs, robots, singularity, New World Order, One World Government--it's all part of the same plan to "cyborgize" humanity. They want to create cyborgs--half humans and half machines. They will do it by introducing immortality to humans--immortality doesn't mean that the bodies live forever, but these cyborg machines will have body parts that can easily be replaced, and worn-out parts can be exchanged with new ones, etc. and therefore the human life will be greatly extended. You get the picture. This is the Machine Kingdom. However, it will be harder and harder to get a body here on Earth because the soul will reject many of these cyborg bodies--they don't fit the template that the human soul is used to incarnate into.

The AIF's goal is to use humanity as super-soldiers in future Space Wars, and the goal is to attack Orion and overthrow the Orion Queen and Khan En.lil. En.ki (Lucifer) wants the throne--something he's wanted since Lucifer's Rebellion. He will use humans as shields, and humanity will go to war against their creators, the Orions! Many will be annihilated and their avatars destroyed forever (I explained in a previous post how that works), and there goes their personality (or what is left of it). Mankind will have the door into Orion closed in front of their faces--perhaps forever. They will totally screw up their eternity!

The AIF has their own Empire, and they have done similar things as they've done to us humans in other star systems, too, so they have built a huge army already. They are just biding their time before they attack Orion from different angles. It will not happen in a few hundred years or so, but this is the plan!

Some of the cyborg bodies will look similar to the Zeta Greys, but some will be larger; others will be smaller, and there will be different variants of this body type occupied by very ignorant human souls, who have been deeply brainwashed into accepting the Machine Kingdom out of convenience. Watch out, because this is coming creeping upon us all, and even the most awake person may fall for it. "Oh, I want that smart phone!" "Only one more device, then I'm good!" etc. etc. It's very easy to slowly but surely fall into their trap again as we did a long time ago when we were already multi-d! Many people ask me how multi-d beings such as ourselves could be fooled by the AIF once upon a time to enter the genetically manipulated bodies we are currently in, but it's very easily done--souls are curious and get easily excited by new discoveries.

Now we have Bashar, Lyssa Royal's Greys, the Ra Material, the Council of 9, and a bunch of other channeled material, which are all the Greys channeling through humans. They are Greys on slightly different timelines, but they are all us in the future at a different stage of development. They were all slaves to the AIF and became "The Greys" from the future. These Greys are interdimenisonal and some of them are abducting people. There are Grey humans on certain timelines that have lost so much of their humanity that they no longer understand human feelings. Hence, they kidnap humans in their sleep or driving their cars, separate the human avatar from their body and suck them up into their interdimensional spaceships and do cruel experiments on these human avatars/light-bodies. Then they shoot them back into the human body again. So, it's not the human body that's hijacked--it's the avatar. And it's the avatar who sees the Reptilians, the Greys, the Preying Mantis, and so on. These are the interdimensional bodies of the abductors--they bodies they choose to operate in. The abductee is transferred through walls etc., like it was nothing. Of course, it's not the 3-D body that's kidnapped--it's the avatar (light-body)!

These human Greys try to get their humanity back and find the "code" in the human DNA to use so they can go back to the state before they were manipulated into becoming "Greys"--half machines and half humans.

Some say there are other types of Greys out there in the Universe, and that the Grey body type is common, but I can't comment on that because I don't know. Personally, I doubt it. Those who think there is are probably mixing them up with any of the categories I have described above. Remember that there is no real distance in the KHAA (the VOID), and the AIF Empire can expand into other galaxies, too--and it has! Hence, the Grey that people may refer to could be Greys from let's say Andromeda, but still Greys used by the AIF for the same reasons as they use them here in "Sector 9," which is our sector of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Hope this helps to give some new insights to the reader!

Love, Wes

[Wes Penre]

What I am writing about on this thread is just synopses or excerpts from my Papers--nothing of this should be looked at as a substitute, making it unnecessary to read the papers. They are not a "summary" either (something that was asked for in a previous post). To get the full picture, please read the papers--they need to be read in their entirety in order to grasp the full concept. I can't emphasize that enough! They are free of charge, so you have nothing to lose.

There is only one reason why I'm stressing so much that I want you to actually read the papers: I love humanity, and I truly, truly believe that I've stumbled upon something that will help humanity, perhaps tremendously.--both practically in this life and mentally/spiritually--in a more eternal way. Then, if the reader totally discards everything that's in the papers, that's perfectly okay with me. At least I know that a person who does that has read them, and in the future, when he/she notices something they haven't noticed before and might have a feeling that they read about that somewhere, they still may remember where the information came from and can go back and review.

This is my hope, but now I promise not to mention this on this thread again! :-)

[Misty]

Hi Wes! (Hi Forum!)

You suggest that reading your Papers and understanding the Control System is enough to be able to Escape Traps for our Consciousness so that upon death we can Escape Enki's Trap and explore other worlds before deciding to come back to Earth or not.

Considering that you and others paint such a dire picture about Life on Earth, I personally believe your Papers, as they are, might lead some people toward a dangerous choice.

http://in5d.com/how-to-escape-lucifers-afterlife-trap/

IMO, this article that you wrote, as it stands, is dangerous, as is the overall Light Trap Meme.

I find your Papers alluring, on account that you have investigated, categorized, and compiled a whole lot of different ancient and modern works, but including the Light Trap Idea might spoil it for me.

Even the way you present your work here in this thread is a bit juvenile IMO.

There are a lot of young people getting into Spirituality these days, but they are being presented with a never ending parade of Convoluted Ideas, missing out on what was once fundamentally Inspiring Tradition of Ancient Wisdom found in Eastern Mysticism and Occult Knowledge Systems.

To suggest to a young and perhaps despondent person that Life on Earth is almost Hopelessly controlled by Super Powerful Aliens (something that is still pure speculation, at least as to who or what is really in control) could take away all desire for a Good and Progressive Physical and Spiritual Life on Earth.

You wrote earlier in this thread:


"Just as in LEVEL I and LEVEL IV, in LEVEL V I discuss the Afterlife to quite some extent, and I also offer a way out of En.ki’s trap—a way to escape the endless enforced reincarnation cycle, so we can become real multidimensional beings again, as we once were before the AIF came and started a war here against the Original Planners of Earth, the Living Library ... The escape from this trap is simple, but the reader needs to have this background information about our past, or they will not succeed; something that will be self-evident as you read the papers. Therefore, you will also see why it’s so important to understand our past!"

If I were an impressionable young person looking for some Truth in the World, and I took your statement above to Heart, what would stop me from concluding something like this:

-Life on Earth is controlled by Powerful Aliens that are holding us prisoners. Well that's DEPRESSING!

-But If I read Wes Penre's Papers and come to that understanding, upon death all I have to do to be Free is avoid The Tunnel of Light, which might lead to Implant Stations that will recycle me back to this Prison Planet, and instead, move away from it and fly through an opening in a Grid that keeps us trapped here(?).

-Why don't I simply just blow my head off once I'm done reading the Papers, and fly off into outerspace!?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

At first glance, I find your work alluring, since you cover so many new and old Myths and Speculations about Life and Death, but at the end of the day, it is all Speculation and Hypothesis (as is any all worldviews on many levels). You do not seem to have any Systemic Base (no one foundation or Metaphysical Knowledge Base), but draw from totally different systems and sources altogether, which is something way too many folks are doing these days, IMO.

You call it your "Truth", but glancing at some of your sources, I'm now considering that your "Hypothesis" is based on too many fraudulent and fictional sources, at least in regard to The Light Trap Meme that you seem to be so fond of as to consider writing a whole book about it.

http://wespenre.com/there-is-a-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel.htm

In this paper you chose Disinformation over Experiential sources.

While the NDE experience confirms what Ancient and Modern meta-physicians wrote about the process of death and in between lives, which accords to the Ancient Wisdom and the Spiritual Evolution Idea, you seem to have chosen to base your Light Trap ideas from sources like LR Hubbard, Robert Morning Sky, and the Wingmakers material.

Those three sources are terrible, IMO. Especially Robert Morning Sky who is an outright fraud. The Wingmakers material and LR Hubbard are linked to Intelligence Agency Disinformation campaigns (which IMO are partially designed to spoil genuine Spirituality).

It's weird, because I did try reading some of your papers, like that one I linked above, but I kept thinking, "huh? Why is he basing things on these terrible sources?"

A brief investigative read of your Paper contents now reveal to me that it is a trend in your Papers. So I'm on the fence here.

What I'm basically saying is, I really think the Light Trap Meme is very dangerous, and that it could lead to ruin and the worst king of escapism in the wrong minds, as I tried to illustrate above.

I understand it is a complicated subject, but perhaps we could all discuss it some more right here on this forum before you go off and write an entire book about it.

Thanks for reading.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

<snip> What I'm basically saying is, I really think the Light Trap Meme is very dangerous, and that it could lead to ruin and the worst king of escapism in the wrong minds, as I tried to illustrate above.

I understand it is a complicated subject, but perhaps we could all discuss it some more right here on this forum before you go off and write an entire book about it.

Thanks for reading.

Going to the light, or not, as one croaks may simply be different paths to explore. Not something to get too upset about. It is not the end. Just a fork in the road, different paths of learning. We have all probably been slaves, masters and everything in between.

It would be nice to have the answers in advance of experience, but that is like a child saying to parents “But Mom, I can’t go to school because I don’t know how to read.”

But we do have guidance in the form of intuition, and in simply listening to our physical bodies when decisions arise. One path will feel better than another. While traveling a chosen path, if it starts to feel bad, turn around and go the other way. Or choose differently next time using a more finely tuned intuition. The best choices are made when the rational mind and intuition are in alignment.

If we accept that we are eternal beings and look at events from a higher perspective, it *may* be inaccurate to label any experience as wrong. (I am not there yet.) Perhaps the biggest mistake is to ignore one's internal guidance and do something someone else has chosen for us.

For me, the decision to go to the light or not, is interesting, no fear involved. An exciting event to be sure. Will I be clever enough to choose a path of freedom, well being and joy? Wish I knew.

For those new to the forum who may want to do more research, you may enjoy the thread Simon Parkes about Mantis Aliens, Reptiles and other aliens (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.). The light trap, and the latest news of Anu (ruler of the Draco Reptilians, father of Enki (some associate Enki with the light trap)) are discussed there.

In joy, safety and harmony we step into the unknown.

[Flash]

I think Misty is in part right, and Wes is in part right (the real thinking of mine is that it would make a wonderful collaboration for overall global grasping material, if they wanted)

I agree that many of the sources Wes uses are corrupted. Yet, this is the information imparted in pièces and bits everywhere on the web and he made a collective in a coherent way of all the pièces. And i think we have to have this kind of coherent work to be in turn able to compare and analyse and introduce the other ages old metaphysical/spiritual works coherently and in comparison, be able to chose and understand.

The problem is bringing things as being the truth when they are unsubstantiated, either scientifically (the blue birds in the other thread) or experientially (true evolution individually for example).

The extraordinary work Wes has done is bringing in a coherent manner what is presented on the web, info and disinfo included. And yes, it could influence the Young souls to go through desperation at some point.

May be providing a balance approach (the other side) could be helpful Misty.

[Wes Penre]

Hi Wes! (Hi Forum!)

You suggest that reading your Papers and understanding the Control System is enough to be able to Escape Traps for our Consciousness so that upon death we can Escape Enki's Trap and explore other worlds before deciding to come back to Earth or not.

Considering that you and others paint such a dire picture about Life on Earth, I personally believe your Papers, as they are, might lead some people toward a dangerous choice.

http://in5d.com/how-to-escape-lucifers-afterlife-trap/

IMO, this article that you wrote, as it stands, is dangerous, as is the overall Light Trap Meme.

I find your Papers alluring, on account that you have investigated, categorized, and compiled a whole lot of different ancient and modern works, but including the Light Trap Idea might spoil it for me.

Even the way you present your work here in this thread is a bit juvenile IMO.

There are a lot of young people getting into Spirituality these days, but they are being presented with a never ending parade of Convoluted Ideas, missing out on what was once fundamentally Inspiring Tradition of Ancient Wisdom found in Eastern Mysticism and Occult Knowledge Systems.

To suggest to a young and perhaps despondent person that Life on Earth is almost Hopelessly controlled by Super Powerful Aliens (something that is still pure speculation, at least as to who or what is really in control) could take away all desire for a Good and Progressive Physical and Spiritual Life on Earth.

You wrote earlier in this thread:


"Just as in LEVEL I and LEVEL IV, in LEVEL V I discuss the Afterlife to quite some extent, and I also offer a way out of En.ki’s trap—a way to escape the endless enforced reincarnation cycle, so we can become real multidimensional beings again, as we once were before the AIF came and started a war here against the Original Planners of Earth, the Living Library ... The escape from this trap is simple, but the reader needs to have this background information about our past, or they will not succeed; something that will be self-evident as you read the papers. Therefore, you will also see why it’s so important to understand our past!"

If I were an impressionable young person looking for some Truth in the World, and I took your statement above to Heart, what would stop me from concluding something like this:

-Life on Earth is controlled by Powerful Aliens that are holding us prisoners. Well that's DEPRESSING!

-But If I read Wes Penre's Papers and come to that understanding, upon death all I have to do to be Free is avoid The Tunnel of Light, which might lead to Implant Stations that will recycle me back to this Prison Planet, and instead, move away from it and fly through an opening in a Grid that keeps us trapped here(?).

-Why don't I simply just blow my head off once I'm done reading the Papers, and fly off into outerspace!?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

At first glance, I find your work alluring, since you cover so many new and old Myths and Speculations about Life and Death, but at the end of the day, it is all Speculation and Hypothesis (as is any all worldviews on many levels). You do not seem to have any Systemic Base (no one foundation or Metaphysical Knowledge Base), but draw from totally different systems and sources altogether, which is something way too many folks are doing these days, IMO.

You call it your "Truth", but glancing at some of your sources, I'm now considering that your "Hypothesis" is based on too many fraudulent and fictional sources, at least in regard to The Light Trap Meme that you seem to be so fond of as to consider writing a whole book about it.

http://wespenre.com/there-is-a-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel.htm

In this paper you chose Disinformation over Experiential sources.

While the NDE experience confirms what Ancient and Modern meta-physicians wrote about the process of death and in between lives, which accords to the Ancient Wisdom and the Spiritual Evolution Idea, you seem to have chosen to base your Light Trap ideas from sources like LR Hubbard, Robert Morning Sky, and the Wingmakers material.

Those three sources are terrible, IMO. Especially Robert Morning Sky who is an outright fraud. The Wingmakers material and LR Hubbard are linked to Intelligence Agency Disinformation campaigns (which IMO are partially designed to spoil genuine Spirituality).

It's weird, because I did try reading some of your papers, like that one I linked above, but I kept thinking, "huh? Why is he basing things on these terrible sources?"

A brief investigative read of your Paper contents now reveal to me that it is a trend in your Papers. So I'm on the fence here.

What I'm basically saying is, I really think the Light Trap Meme is very dangerous, and that it could lead to ruin and the worst king of escapism in the wrong minds, as I tried to illustrate above.

I understand it is a complicated subject, but perhaps we could all discuss it some more right here on this forum before you go off and write an entire book about it.

Thanks for reading.

Dear Misty,

I do understand your concern.

The reason, however, why I wrote the papers was because the more I dug into these subjects I’m covering, I noticed that this “explains it,” so to speak. If you read Level IV and V, you will see that my references come from existing sources that have been cross-checked, and I have used syncretism to make sure I got it right. There are very few sources I can't reveal, but that's the nature of it. I wouldn't use them, if I personally weren't sure about the validity. However, each person who reads my papers, or whatever material they read, need to use their discernment. That goes for my work and everybody else. Take to heart or discard; that's the only thing people can do.

Is the truth really depressing? Is a solution to a problem depressing if it is working?

I don’t think so, and I am not alone. I can honestly say that I am overwhelmed by people who have read the papers and write to me and thank me from the bottom of their heart, and many of these people are teenagers and in their twenties. The emails are too many for me to respond to. If they really understand what they’re reading, it’s certainly not a depressing read. When you read something that rings true to you, you feel it in your entire body. That’s what all these people who have contacted me have done. Knowledge does break the chains. It has nothing to do with whether the knowledge is joyful or serious in nature.

I would never restrain myself from writing what I have concluded being correct, or what I am concluding is leading in the correct direction--for any reason. It may be cheerful information, or it may be more serious; it doesn’t matter. It is what it is. I can’t stop exposing things because things are “serious,” or neglecting to expose what is there in front of our eyes and only choose what is “uplifting.” I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did. That is not 'uplifting' to me; the only thing that’s uplifting is what’s correct; whether it’s “serious” or “joyful.” That is what will eventually free people from have been slaves to an extraterrestrial invader force for many millennia.

I am not saying I have all the answers--not at all--but I am saying that what the papers cover is correct enough to help people move forward, and I do say that they are an important piece of the puzzle. I'm not going to stick that under the table. Now it's up for the readers to discern and decide.

I certainly respect your point of view on the papers; I have no problems with that. I am just telling you my point of view and why I wrote them. And I can guarantee you that none of the emails I have received since I wrote the first papers have come from people who are depressed after have read them. It's the opposite, Misty. They can't wait for the next paper. If anything, I have felt pressured to write the next paper, and then the next because I knew that people were waiting for them with excitement. I am not exaggerating.

[Wes Penre]

Oh, I forgot one thing. The "light trap" in Level I was bringing up the research of the people you mention in your email, such as Hubbard, Morning Sky, and the WingMakers. This was back in 2011. However, as the reader continues exploring the papers, they will understand that the light trap conclusion I finally make in the "upper levels of learning" is not based on these sources. All the material from Level I to V is my own development in my research--something I emphasize many time throughout the material. Those who read the papers will see exactly how I developed my own knowledge as I went along. So, the papers in themselves are showing my own development in my research. This is what I'm sharing with the world. Level IV and V then conclude the entire concept I was trying to share already from the beginning. However, new pieces to the puzzle showed up as I moved along, if this makes sense (the papers are 5 years continuous research). The reader can see precisely how that happens as they go along, reading the Levels of Learning, one by one.

Now the papers are finished, and I know they are finished because they are "concluded." They make a point; they explain the problems; they explain who is behind these problems, and they give the reader a workable solution. I don't mean that reading the papers is all we need to do, either. I mean, if you read the papers and practice what you've learned from them, you will make a difference and will also make a considerable contribution to the world.

When you say I draw from terrible sources, I don't know why you only mention these sources and don't look at the rest of the sources I've used? You don't mention the ancient texts, for example. However, I am totally aware of that these sources you mention are disinfo agents. I even say that in the papers, if you really read them. Didn't you see the long paper I wrote about the WingMakers? If you've read the papers, you must have seen that; and I'm sure you would have remembered it, too.

But I'll tell you this: if someone has been proven to be a disinfo agent, I almost rush to that disinfo agents website, or whatever it is, and start reading, because I know that in his/her disinfo there are also gems of truth. I can be totally sure of that! Otherwise the disinfo wouldn't have worked. You can't attract people with only lies. Unfortunately, so many people are throwing out the baby with the bath water...There is no reason why people shouldn't try to find valid information from disinfo agents such as Hubbard, Morning sky, and WingMakers. The latter is a treasure of great information, but is still disinfo if we look at it carefully.

[Misty]

if someone has been proven to be a disinfo agent, I almost rush to that disinfo agents website, or whatever it is, and start reading, because I know that in his/her disinfo there are also gems of truth.

This is a ridiculous meme that people are spreading in order to justify their addiction to lies. Thanks for trying.

[Wes Penre]

if someone has been proven to be a disinfo agent, I almost rush to that disinfo agents website, or whatever it is, and start reading, because I know that in his/her disinfo there are also gems of truth.

This is a ridiculous meme that people are spreading in order to justify their addiction to lies. Thanks for trying.

If you try to be more precise; do you mean that I am addicted to lies, or are disinfo agents addicted to lies, are those who suggest that there is truth in what disinfo agents say addicted to lies, or is it all of the above?

Waiting eagerly for a reply.

Thank you!

[Clarity]

A warm welcome Wes :clap2:

Wow... I would never have thought, when I started this thread, that Mr Wes Penre himself would be joining in the conversation.

I would like to explain why I admire your work so much.

Three years ago I started to feel an energy in my heart center/core essence. Through this energy I seemed to be connected to an all knowing part of myself (oversoul/higher self??)
I found that I was able to ask my heart center questions and in return get answers. The thing was, the knowledge I was receiving could be seen as controversial and none of the answers corresponded with anything I had come across before - that was until I came across your work.

A great big thank you from me for letting me know I was not completely alone in the world with my views.

[Misty]

All of the above.

Can you name some of your favourite 'confirmed' disinformation agents? Who exactly confirms them, your 'contacts'?

[Wes Penre]

All of the above.

Can you name some of your favourite 'confirmed' disinformation agents? Who exactly confirms them, your 'contacts'?

Misty, I have a better idea. I took a look at your profile and I can see that you are fairly new here. Now, when you have classified me as a liar, maybe you would like to share a little bit of your view on reality? I have done my best to tell you and others my view on things. I am probably not the only one here who is now very curious about what you subscribe to. No one here knows anything about you--except that you are attacking others for what they have tried to do to contribute. Not only that--you attack their persona as well, although you obviously know nothing about them (yes, I'm talking about me)

Now it's your turn to contribute. We are all very curious to hear, so don't be shy now...

[Wes Penre]

A warm welcome Wes :clap2:

Wow... I would never have thought, when I started this thread, that Mr Wes Penre himself would be joining in the conversation.

I would like to explain why I admire your work so much.

Three years ago I started to feel an energy in my heart center/core essence. Through this energy I seemed to be connected to an all knowing part of myself (oversoul/higher self??)
I found that I was able to ask my heart center questions and in return get answers. The thing was, the knowledge I was receiving could be seen as controversial and none of the answers corresponded with anything I had come across before - that was until I came across your work.

A great big thank you from me for letting me know I was not completely alone in the world with my views.

Thank you very much, Clarity. It was an honor for me when Bill and the rest of the crew decided to let me on board :-). There are a lot of knowledgeable people here, whom I can learn from. I love the response I've got from people since I joined!

[Misty]

No thanks. 👋

[Clarity]

Welcome Misty.


Even the way you present your work here in this thread is a bit juvenile IMO.

Wes’s work is not for everyone, but to only stick to the light and fluffy just so we don’t upset a young spiritually seeker is IMHO immature and not what this forum is all about. I started this thread on a forum which attracts people who I believe are ‘big enough’ to handle the content. Regardless of whether they agree with Wes or not I’d be very surprised if anyone walked away despondent. :noidea:


While the NDE experience confirms what Ancient and Modern meta-physicians wrote about the process of death and in between lives,

My Grandmother was a medium and would tell me all the things spirit were telling her. In my mind I would think “well how do you know spirit know everything…what if they are just like us and only know what they are told.” This question stayed with me for a long time.

If you wish to learn more about the afterlife arena (with an open mind and a heart full of questions) from an experiential point of view, may I suggest you read Robert Monroe’s books. Robert Monroe had OBE’s almost daily for 30+ years. He had no interest in religion or spirituality when he started writing so his writings are free from the usual indoctrination. Regarding my question above, when reading Monroe’s books it become obvious that spirits in the afterlife arena are completely clueless compared to other beings he meets.

As for NDE’s Robert Monroe talks about helping beings who have passed over but do not know so, so called earthbound Spirits, to move on to the afterlife. Disturbingly, he wrote that he often he appeared to them as a long loss love ones, angels or some other saintly being. This wasn’t something he was trying to project; it was more that this is how they viewed him. I got the impression from his books that he wasn’t comfortable with the deception but went along with it as it appeared to help the being understand they were dead and needed to move on. So based on Robert Monroe’s experiences it leaves a lot of questions regarding the NDE experience, don't you think?

There are many other examples in his books which left me feeling uncomfortable about the afterlife arena, but I leave you to take a look if you wish to learn more.

[Misty]

Thanks for the suggestion, Clarity.

[naste.de.lumina]

Hi Wes! (Hi Forum!)

You suggest that reading your Papers and understanding the Control System is enough to be able to Escape Traps for our Consciousness so that upon death we can Escape Enki's Trap and explore other worlds before deciding to come back to Earth or not.

Considering that you and others paint such a dire picture about Life on Earth, I personally believe your Papers, as they are, might lead some people toward a dangerous choice.

http://in5d.com/how-to-escape-lucifers-afterlife-trap/

IMO, this article that you wrote, as it stands, is dangerous, as is the overall Light Trap Meme.


Hello Misty.

For you to say that 'the trap of light tunnel' is a dangerous trap meme, for certain, that you should have some source of information will ensure that the correct meme should be 'go to the tunnel of light'.

The 'misinformation' on the 'the trap of light tunne' is to contradict what 'information' that you own and that is guaranteed for real and truth?

Yes, because everything here is duality. To be the truth has to be a lie.

That said, you can show me some source of information on this planet which there is sure that this is 100% pure truth?

Naste.

[Wes Penre]

No thanks. 👋

Well, I didn't think so. You have no opinions of your own--you are just one of those I've seen so often on forums on the Internet -- you like to attack others to stir up chaos and confusion and turn people against each other. It doesn't work with me though, dear Misty. I am quite confident with what I'm doing, and that goes both with me as a person and with my material. So you will have to see if you can find another "victim." Good try, though...

[Misty]

My apologies, Sir. I just like to test people a little before I get in their head. You're good.

I'm going to start reading your material. I imagine you'll be fielding questions about it here?

[Wes Penre]

My apologies, Sir. I just like to test people a little before I get in their head. You're good.

I'm going to start reading your material. I imagine you'll be fielding questions about it here?

Well, you've already read my material--if you've not read all of it, at least enough to grasp quite a bit of it. It shows in your initial post.

Regarding answering questions here--yes, usually I do, but it depends...At this moment I don't trust you. "If one thing doesn't work on Wes, maybe we'll try something else" kind-of-thing, if you know what I mean. So we'll see...

[Misty]

I'm all alone in this world, there is no 'we' except the little family I have. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly happened to Spirituality, when the New Age merged with Conspiracy Theories. I personally see a very odd trend that I think you might be a product of (or, something ....).

Anyway, some one paid me a visit this morning. I hope they liked my voice. I'll not be too much of a bother. Looking forward to a peaceful Spring somewhere. Might as well be here.

[araucaria]

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly happened to Spirituality, when the New Age merged with Conspiracy Theories.
You might like to check out a little conversation I had with Skyhaven a while back:



Conspiracy and spirituality are two sides of the same coin. They are both about our inner power: disabling it or releasing it. If you are pushing a car to start it, you want to make sure that the person in the driving seat hasn't put the handbrake on and/or engaged reverse gear. The person who checks that is contributing as much as any pusher.

But you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?
Yeah, but you don't carry on pushing, do you? You then walk all the way to the front of the car to make sure the handbrake is off and it is not something deliberate that is going to happen again.

Science is no better by the way. Read the scathing critiques of the way science is done by scientists like Tom van Flandern, Rupert Sheldrake or Brian O'Leary.

[Misty]

Hi Wes! (Hi Forum!)

You suggest that reading your Papers and understanding the Control System is enough to be able to Escape Traps for our Consciousness so that upon death we can Escape Enki's Trap and explore other worlds before deciding to come back to Earth or not.

Considering that you and others paint such a dire picture about Life on Earth, I personally believe your Papers, as they are, might lead some people toward a dangerous choice.

http://in5d.com/how-to-escape-lucifers-afterlife-trap/

IMO, this article that you wrote, as it stands, is dangerous, as is the overall Light Trap Meme.


Hello Misty.

For you to say that 'the trap of light tunnel' is a dangerous trap meme, for certain, that you should have some source of information will ensure that the correct meme should be 'go to the tunnel of light'.

The 'misinformation' on the 'the trap of light tunne' is to contradict what 'information' that you own and that is guaranteed for real and truth?

Yes, because everything here is duality. To be the truth has to be a lie.-- [I like that!]

That said, you can show me some source of information on this planet which there is sure that this is 100% pure truth?

Naste.

Scientific 'hypothesis' are often confirmed as facts in the Physical World through experiments. The Sciences of Soul have their own scientists, The Occult Arts which Blavatsky wrote about and her further students elaborated greatly on.

Blavatsky is more demonized today because her 'trickster' style ways (that I see a lot of people mimicking) taught and trained with High Initiates in the Arts and in their Philosophy. It was Blavatsky who laid the foundation for most of our Spiritual Freedoms we have today in America and abroad. Today people tend to just past her by as a Luciferian Priestess and a witch, but were it not for her warning about the astral world allurements many of her students might have gone the way of those early Gnostics that eventually brought seductive/seducing Magick back to the fore (they did, that's for sure).

She warned about and categorized all manner of phenomenon that can happen in the real (physical) world with real Magic showcases at times (which she was advised to stop). And her students CWLeadbetter and Annie Bessant became occult scientists.

Their Metaphysics can be found in CW Leadbetters and Author E Powell's books.

Look them up, and the grand stories surrounding her and them. Lots of controversy with dozens of book on her Blavatsky alone...

"Near death experiences have opened a wonderful door into vistas of the soul's survival - especially now that modern medical techniques have increased the recovery rate of individuals in hospitals, and now that more people feel free to openly discuss their experiences.

But there is another vantage point. In the late 19th century Madame Blavatsky promulgated a teaching she had received form "those who know". It included many details of "what happens when we die". It included more information than is normally available from those having near death experiences since the knowledge she was teaching, extended from one death on to the next birth.

Dr Jean-Louis Siémons has compared in detail the results of near death experiences reported in the last quarter of the twentieth century with the assertions made by Blavatsky a century earlier concerning the journey of the soul. He demonstrates a very striking congruence. Furthermore, Siémons says "Beyond question, her views on the process of dying were quite original for her epoch."

Since her views were "quite original" for her epoch - and based on her knowledge - and since they are now confirmed by increasing numbers of people having near death experiences - we therefore have a significant confirmation of the validity of her assertions on this subject and her assertions in general. A study of her teachings then gives us a way to learn still more - with confidence - on the survival of the soul and its journey through successive lives. Because Blavatsky was right on the mark, based on this evidence, we can approach her other statements with significantly greater confidence in their validity. We invite you to look.

Below is the article by Siémons. Along with the analysis, it gives an excellent
presentation of Theosophy's view on this subject, complete with detailed citations from the Theosophical literature." *

http://www.blavatsky.net/index.php/theosophy-and-science/36-topics/reincarnation/near-death-exp/62-what-is-death

The Death and Dying, and Inbetween Life experiences are 'vary by person and cultural belief'. But they hold a standard that may be complicated for some to grasp, especially for those eagear to want it all! "I want my memories!" -- thereis a science to the dimensions we're off to, and nothing of the Ancient Wisdom would suggest it be so easy to just fly like a god to other planets, however possible that is, it would only be you imagining the planets and scenes in our own Earth's Astral Plane, unless that person has a causal body in their full control, they may get over to a near planet to read that history and scenes. I think. I'm far off my studies.

And yes, R.Monroe also confirmed the basics from theosophists, and as a scientist at that. But dealing with those dimensions, I'm certain that conditions can change, just as they do on earth and in our atmospheres.

*http://www.blavatsky.net/index.php/theosophy-and-science/36-topics/reincarnation/near-death-exp/61-near-death-experiences-main

[eaglespirit]

Live it !!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, well, well ... fancy meeting you again here, Misty, aka Raul, aka HenryBowen, aka Radial, aka Calamus.

You've been here long enough by now, by various names, to know that we don't approve of members being rude to each other.

Once again, we are closing your account. Please do us all a favor, and don't return again, at least until such time as


you can treat other forum members with respect,
you have learned the art of contributing to, rather than distracting from, the focus of good threads,
you can honestly fill out the portion of the Membership Application asking whether you have been a member here before, and
you can relate to us a little bit of the life changes you have undergone that might motivate our reconsidering.

Thanks.

[Flash]

erased, not appropriate

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Well, well, well ... fancy meeting you again here, Misty, aka Raul, aka HenryBowen, aka Radial, aka Calamus.

You've been here long enough by now, by various names, to know that we don't approve of members being rude to each other.

Once again, we are closing your account. Please do us all a favor, and don't return again, at least until such time as


you can treat other forum members with respect,
you have learned the art of contributing to, rather than distracting from, the focus of good threads,
you can honestly fill out the portion of the Membership Application asking whether you have been a member here before, and
you can relate to us a little bit of the life changes you have undergone that might motivate our reconsidering.

Thanks.

Paul, I got caught up with this one too, I believed her/him.

Can you tell me, for the sake of my own inner clarity, how you decipher that it was all of the same person?

-------

To Calamus, Misty or whomever,

If it is the way you are working, if this is true, changing names to come back, no great Master or highly evolved soul would ever ever approved this. Any decent being stays away from such tactics.

If true, this is the way of the Reptiles and Archons and the black lodge. Tricking and abusing through tricking.

If it is the case, I am truly sorry for you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Can you tell me, for the sake of my own inner clarity, how you decipher that it was all of the same person?
I'll reply via PM on that question.

[Wes Penre]

Interesting... Well, thank you, Paul!

[Delight]

Stephen Mahler has said in knowing Hakim, an Egyptian indigenous elder with lineage knowledge and studying with him, the neters were not anthropomorphised gods but principles. These mythic principles predated the form of the world.


In all of these myths, the world was said to have emerged from an infinite, lifeless sea when the sun rose for the first time, in a distant period known as zp tpj (sometimes transcribed as Zep Tepi), "the first occasion". Different myths attributed the creation to different gods: the set of eight primordial deities called the Ogdoad, the self-engendered god Atum and his offspring, the contemplative deity Ptah, and the mysterious, transcendent god Amun. While these differing cosmogonies competed to some extent, in other ways they were complementary, as different aspects of the Egyptian understanding of creation.wiki Ancient Egyptian creation myths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_creation_myths)

I like these considerations:
Can we count on the basis of everything as the movement of energy according to law?
Was this energy ever created, can it be destroyed or does it yes, only change?
Is Mind the cause and builder of form?
What is this Mind? How does it relate to "my" mind?
Is MIND bigger than anything I can imagine but I could still cooperate with it, perceiving effects?
Is to change in my mind within MIND the key to change in my form (including external changes appearing to me)?

People like Joe Dispenza show me that we have power to heal with renewed information and added energy (come back to a balance and flexible, youthful, pain free, working body). Dis-ease to ease and ease to dis-ease are not one way but fluctuate and we can use body "healing" to extrapolate to the flexibility of all manifestation.

States of experience cycle around in a span of life. There is no permanent condition except in our own agreement. We expect and believe a linear progression of an arrow pointing in a direction which THEN uses mind the builder to make it so. IMO this is the crux...HOW we use the connection to MIND to our disadvantage by our own mind's decision making.

In the context of living in a body on a world with our expectations, we act out beginnings which apparently lead to endings. Fatalism.

When we look at human life, we see one narrow range of ecology that is conducive to our form. Maybe there is a vast range of formats but we cannot thrive outside the system niche we expect is the one we need. As humans, sensitive and dedicated to grasping this small niche, we get very focused on whatever we think is the law but is only an interpretation of ignorant view IMO. IMO we become xenophobic by our fear from narrowed mental perspective.

As we know, there is an overall continuity that presents different appearances. We cannot live as humans in the seabed vents or in space but in some form, animated self replicating forms (life) has appearance in these extremes. The continuation of life "forms" is the capacity for a form to fit in an ecology.

However, there are still requirements for life on earth in general. The fact that we have a program of artifice (civilization) we think will support human life best overlaid on the natural does not mean that we can distort the natural world in any direction without the collapse of the cooperative components IMO.

EXAMPLE: We burn coal for heat and electricity that we think we must have as one example. Mining, burning etc. are part of this package.

We have "reasons" for electricity all predicated on what we need to "do, to have, to be" in a civilization. The ignorance blows back on us.

We do not use our mind in MIND elegantly to release the "artifice" based on what is believed to be needed. There are people who already demonstrate the ability to self heat the body. We focus instead on is there someone "trying to take my cheese"?

We hold temporary awareness as a particular person seeking to maximize some abstract and artificial advantage IMO.

One of the questions that the vast paper Wes Penre presents (and his sources) is regarding the imposition of ecology that would not support life for human form and would give preference to other forms with differing ecological requirements. IMO they all will need cooperation WITH the host of life on a planet. The learning is how to cooperate IMO. One can see balance within cooperation.

I do think Gaia is a life form herself who cannot be destroyed. I think we have no idea of what she is able to evidence for herself.

The idea that one should make decisions with the vantage point for seven generations to come is an example of the vision FOR us all (one-ness), all the creatures embedded in the life of earth, OUR well being embedded in Gaia.

But the multi-dimesnional aspect of the meaning of becoming SENSITIVE and wise as a being seems UNIVERSAL? Is this true? I intuit it is a vast upwelling through experience.

The FEELING of connection and gaining wisdom through my connection (even through pain and suffering) stands. Everything to me has value even as it seems ridiculous to be ignorant.

I personally count on knowing that the contrast I observe between what seems insane and what seem sane is a temporary condition to assist in over-all wisdom. I see it as the alchemist in "me" distilling wisdom through experience. The alchemist enjoys change. I wrote a poem about it.

Between endings and beginning, Alchemists sneak in.
Rejoicing in the undyingness of God's bounties: vines and grapes,
Alchemistry is a midwife for moments when original nature seeks self distillation.

Laying hands on the body of our incorporation
We pray to be the Holy vessel, incarnation,
catalyst for fermentation of Her Livingness by heat and pressure.
Imagining, we lay up the vintage yet to be.
Leaving Patience to digest as we know she will.

Alchemy stands over the barrels of dripping juices from a harvested age.
All that ever was within moments incorporated there,
Stirred and sealed, Casked ingredients of opposites do meld.

Once the juices have fermented to complete the workings
In devotion to our Elixers' demonstration
The mission's undertaking is the drinking.
Fill up, raise the glasses high while spiral galaxies twirl.

Movement a spinning spinning spinning dizzy feeling.
Invoking the good, supporting an infinite vastness of well being,
a great transfiguration of spirit imparts Her mind to matter.
Transubstantiation brings the food of grace and LOVE,
We are beautified.
We emanate, being that wholly.

Here we are, still pouring and drinking, in drunken delight.
At home in nature's cellars celebrating through the night.

[Feritciva]

I was just thinking "at the same time we began to talk about Wes Penre papers, someone who just became a member on 5th march jumps to the thread and begins to write as he/shes a long forum member". I even thought this may be a troll or agent who follows Wes everywhere to discredit his work. You know when someone gets dangerously close to the truth in fringe material, theres always people who attacks heavily to him/her. I've seen that before for Montalk (Tom) and myself unfortunately. But of course my articles were in Turkish. I even had to erase my writings because of it.

So thanks Paul, your post explained a lot to me..

[Wes Penre]

I was just thinking "at the same time we began to talk about Wes Penre papers, someone who just became a member on 5th march jumps to the thread and begins to write as he/shes a long forum member". I even thought this may be a troll or agent who follows Wes everywhere to discredit his work. You know when someone gets dangerously close to the truth in fringe material, theres always people who attacks heavily to him/her. I've seen that before for Montalk (Tom) and myself unfortunately. But of course my articles were in Turkish. I even had to erase my writings because of it.

So thanks Paul, your post explained a lot to me..

That was exactly my thought before I checked in here and noticed that Paul had deleted her (him?). I was pondering if she may be working for one of the "agencies," but on the other hand, she seemed a little too clumbsy for that; i.e. her tactics were so "standard" that they have become old by now. But then again, maybe that's just me, getting used to their tactics. Perhaps the agencies use the same tactics still; meaning they pick something from a person's material and post it out of context and point out either how ridiculous it is, or in her case, how "dangerous" this info is. Then she tries to upset me so that I say something out of anger that she can use against me. When that doesn't work, and I instead tell her right out who I think she is, she changes tactics, trying to flatter me, telling me how "good" I am (addressing my ego), and that she is just "trying me out."

Next step (which she never got the chance to do) would be to ask questions from my material, have me answer them, and then twist my replies against me, trying to get as many forum members as possible on her side. In fact, she doesn't want to get ALL members on her side, but rather create two camps that can attack each other for their different opinions. Thus, chaos and antagonism is created. It certainly sounds as if she at least understands how the letter agencies work.

It is interesting, though, that she immediately jumped to this thread... Well, she started out with the Blue Avian thread, which I saw when I checked her out (but interestingly enough, I had posted there, too), and then she deleted her posts, saying that the reason for this was that the post sounded to silly to her, wanting us to think that she was very inexperienced with these forums...

[AlaBil]

I for one am most appreciative of the immense amount of free information put up by Wes. His work is extensive, thorough, and his sources are well documented.

Over the weekend I read his book, “Beyond 2012 A Handbook for the New Era” and am currently half way through the First Level of Learning. I have also skimmed his Fifth Level of Learning as I was interested in his take on the Vedic Papers.

I am most interested in reading the remainder of Wes’s material because his view of the cosmos presents to me a real way to understand evil in the world, what it is, how it got here, and the future direction of evil. Here is what I mean by that:

My early view of the world was from a fundamentalist Christian viewpoint involving an external “saviour” of a select group of the world’s population who professed a belief in this external saviour. Believe and go to heaven in the afterlife, believe not and to to an external hell for the same afterlife.

Becoming “One” with God, Prime Consciousness, Prime Creator, Ultimate Source, etc., was to me attractive compared to the fundamental Christian position, because it posited that we ALL possessed inherently an “initial spark” of the One within ourselves and could continue to evolve our individual consciousness to the point of reuniting with the One, the Prime Creator.

The Vedic path complete with enough reincarnations to finally work through all the bad karma in previous lives was another attractive path in that it allowed more than one attempt to get it right compared to fundamental Christianity’s single life opportunity.

None of these views of the cosmos in my viewpoint provided for the intense amount of absolute evil and misdoing that we are now seeing throughout the material world. Mankind is dominated by the elites, the top 1%, the bankers, the super wealth, the well connected, and the increasingly dominant Government in all forms, local, state, national, and world. The majority, the middle class, the common person is relegated to the role providing for the Global Elite. I see this as true today and increasing true in the near future. Technology and the fear drummed into the hive of society are driving forces that are allowing this to happen at a rate that no one could conceive as little as 40 or 50 years ago.

All of my previous spiritual paths conceived darkness as an temporary blockage of light, but in each case Light would always prevail. Darkness would be overcome maybe not now but for sure and always in the future.

When I look around at the world’s situation I just don’t see darkness diminishing. Darkness and evil seem to be increasing and accelerating. Natural disasters, financial calamities, people out of work, health problems, governmental surveillance, loss of liberty and freedom, etc., all seem to be on the increase. One world government is within reach of the elite and within the timeframe of most of our lifetimes.

Now here is where Wes’s view of cosmology provides for me an understanding of of the source and direction of evil. Wes’s Level of Learning papers not only demonstrates that “we are slaves and a working force for a small clique of super-wealthy people—an unelected power elite” but provides information that “above this level of manipulation are the cosmic visitors themselves, pulling the strings on those who are selected by them to control the rest of us.”

Wes says this occurs because we agree to play their game and do so “because the families in power, and the Alien Invader forces above them, keep the population in fear and terror.” Ultimately we are afraid of death and the Elite knowing this, keeps us in the dark as to what happens after death and due to this fear most will give away their power to other who they hope will fix the situation; cults, religions, saviours coming down out of the sky, ascension out of the system, etc..

If consciousness creates matter, and not the other way around, then it is our control of the level on consciousness that matters most. True expansion must come from within and it’s up to each of us to pick up on what resonates “inside” and expand on those concepts that resonate.

Wes defines Forerunners as those brave one who decide to go against the current tendency and raises their vibration level in order to increase its own consciousness and awareness, not only for themselves so that others could be inspired and jump on the bandwagon.

We each create our own Multiverse consisting of an universe that is expanding and retracting, as if some giant were breathing in and out, but also includes the spirit and non-physical. As a living thinking soul in the universe, we are expanding the metaphysical part with our thoughts and creating, and therefore, making the Multiverse bigger.

It is these initial teachings from the Wes Pendre Levels of Learning that are so intriguing to me and what prompt me to continue to plow through this vast amount of information. I wish there was an executive summary of a few pages, or maybe a few hundred pages, but I’m learning something on almost every page.

Thanks Wes for this info and thanks also for being here!!

[Chris Gilbert]

Hi Wes, it's good to see you here on the forum. :cool:

I've been reading your papers for awhile and enjoying them immensely. I will admit that I'm not sure if I believe the material on Sirians/Orion, etc., but what little I've experienced of nonlinearity via Taoist Neikung/Qigong suggests to me that there's quite a bit out there that goes far beyond conventional understanding or linear cause and effect once one steps outside of 3D into Dreamtime.

I'm curious to see if you could comment more on using the Grounding cord? Being able to Ground one's energy body deep into the Earth is one of the common elements among the best practices I've experienced, and a key element that seems to be missing from many Indo-European practices, both modern and ancient.

[Wes Penre]

Hi Wes, it's good to see you here on the forum. :cool:

I've been reading your papers for awhile and enjoying them immensely. I will admit that I'm not sure if I believe the material on Sirians/Orion, etc., but what little I've experienced of nonlinearity via Taoist Neikung/Qigong suggests to me that there's quite a bit out there that goes far beyond conventional understanding or linear cause and effect once one steps outside of 3D into Dreamtime.

I'm curious to see if you could comment more on using the Grounding cord? Being able to Ground one's energy body deep into the Earth is one of the common elements among the best practices I've experienced, and a key element that seems to be missing from many Indo-European practices, both modern and ancient.

Hi Enishi,

I am very glad that you mention this! Although I wrote the e-book, "Beyond 2012-A Handbook for the New Era (http://wespenre.com/books/Beyond-2012-A-Handbook-for-the-New-Era.pdf)" in 2013, including a lot of useful and quite powerful spiritual exercises (which I implement myself), the Golden Grounding Cord (not included in the e-book) is the most powerful protection tool I've ever encountered. I do it several times a day, and if you do it the way I am describing it (see quote from my paper below), you will actually notice a difference immediately. As soon as you've done it (only takes a few seconds when you get used to doing it), you will notice that your space is being cleansed right away. You will get a subtle sense of being more present in the now and your inner vision improves. This is actually a great tool to prevent entity possession as well. Here is the exercise,


"I think it’s very important that you create the golden cord and the golden aura around yourself before you start practicing. If you have forgotten how to do it, it’s simple: imagine yourself creating a robust golden cord that reaches all the way to the center of the Earth, and at the bottom of this cord you create a giant diamond, or any other precious stone that you are particularly fond of. Then you create a golden aura around yourself, and this aura should be connected to the cord and reach from side to side and front to back so that your whole body is covered. Make this aura, let’s say five inches outside of your visible body. By doing this, you not only ground yourself, but also demonstrate to non-physical beings that you are serious, and that you are a strong person who knows what it’s all about, and you are claiming your sovereignty; telling everybody that no one is allowed to mess with you.[92]

This is actually something I suggest that everybody does several times a day—when you have done it for a while, it becomes a routine, and you can do it in a couple of seconds. Do it first thing in the morning when you wake up and then throughout the day, until it’s time to go to bed. Finally, do it one last time before you go to sleep (very important). Believe it or not, but this will make a big difference and will keep entities away." (Ref: http://wespenre.com/5/paper09-the-vedic-players-and-their-counterparts-in-other-ancient-texts.htm#5.4.3).

In the beginning it's easy to forget to do it, but please practice so that you end up doing it almost automatically several times during the day. As I said, when you get skilled at it, it'll take you 2-3 seconds.

It's important to do it before you fall asleep in the evening and also when you wake up in the morning. If you for any reason decide just to do it twice a day, these would be the times to do it.

[Shadowself]

Wes,

Fantastic work you've accomplished so far. I'm very impressed. A few things I don't quite agree with but they are too few to mention. For the greatest part it's pretty comprehensive and well thought out. It's so refreshing to see such a complete set of works as you've put out.

I do have a question. In your Appendix B: Definitions of Special Terminology from "The First--Third Levels of Learning"

You use the term KHAA as:


KHAA, The: The Mother Universe, also called the Void, which is the 96% of the Universe science can't explain. This is the Home Universe of the Mother Goddess through which you travel when you enter a stargate after have 'shrunk' yourself into nano size. This is the fastest and easiest way to travel between stars, galaxies and universes.
http://wespenre.com/2/definitions.htm

I'm just curious what "KHAA" stands for or where you got this definition? Perhaps you can lead me to a further explanation to the "KHAA" reference in your papers?

Once again thanks for your work.
Major Bump!

:bump:

[Wes Penre]

Hi Shadowself,

The term KHAA (pronounced similar to an out-breath) is just that -- an out-breath. It signifies, or symbolizes, the Goddess creating the Universe by breathing out. Thus, stars and galaxies give the impression of moving away from each other. The "KHAA" is what some star beings call the Universe.

If you want to try to pronounce it out loud, try this, "shaaaa" with the back of your tongue slightly in the upper part of your mouth: sh... then open your mouth a little bit, let the tongue rest in the lower part of your mouth, and complete the word: 'aaaa'.

[Iloveyou]

deleted. reconsidering required.

[Bluegreen]

--deleted--

[naste.de.lumina]

Hello Wes, how are you? I hope all is well.

Recently I came across some summary information provided by a Brazilian Mediun called Kayo, dedicated over 20 years to investigate the UFO phenomena and other topics such as reincarnation, which in many ways are very similar to the narrative described by you on the FIA, which he calls 'Domain'.

According Kayo, only in via lactea there are over 400,000 planets in similar conditions to the planet Earth (prison) on the control domain (fia).

He also believes that the light tunnel is a trap for the recycling of souls, but he tells some cases where the souls who decided to get out of the trap, were pursued and captured in what he described as an abduction of souls in the 'spiritual' world. That is, were captured against their will and 'consent'.

Kayo says also that abductions we know here on the planet, aims not only the genetic experiments, but mainly the extraction of mental information that is recorded in our soul. Thus, the information of the souls who are these planets prisons having different backgrounds and locations of the galaxy, which may or not may be under the control of the domain (Fia), are downloaded to a kind of central computer which provide them with the ability to produce one intergalactic mapping of the overall situation in order to maintain control over them.

From what I understand the narrative made by Kayo, the escape of the 'tunnel of light trap' can not be a simple matter of desire, but something more complex and dangerous. Those who escape the trap become a kind of 'renegades'.

Also according to him, there seems to be a group which he called 'resistance' that 'try' to make a counterpoint to the 'domain' here on the planet. I asked him by email to describe more details about this group and I am waiting for a response.

It is not my intention to make a comparison between what you and he describes, but integrate this information and try to see the bigger picture of the situation in which we find ourselves.

My two questions are:

1 - You have information of this type of persecution of souls trying to escape?

2 - If souls from different sources (different suns) may be living together here on the planet, how can we know which ones have the 'fire Goddess'?

I appreciate your attention.

Hug.

Naste.
  
PS: Follow the youtube account link in which the Kayo makes these revelations (in Portuguese). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwtZXXc__v4

[TrumanCash]

Hello, Wes. I have been reading through this thread and I find that some of your information parallels my own past life research and experiences as well as my current life experiences with "Grays".

I am wondering if you are aware of my experiences with the Ra/Ptah "ET" group that I and another abductee encountered in our past lives, which I refer to as the Serpent Staff Pleiadians, or SSPs. The core of this information is documented in the first two chapters of THE EYE OF RA.

If so, how do you think this group of bearded, human-looking ETs fits into the research that you have done?

Thanks,
Truman

[arwen]

This is a request to the Moderators - would it be possible to move this thread to the Priority Threads section? Motivation being that Wes Penre's work is one of the most comprehensive compilations of mega-volumes of data, and is a truly wonderful contribution to humanity. Also, we have Wes himself prepared to answer questions on this thread, when he can, and that is really a privilege. (I am working through Wes' levels of learning, and will be back on this thread to ask some questions myself). :)

[ThePythonicCow]

This is a request to the Moderators - would it be possible to move this thread to the Priority Threads section?
That's an interesting suggestion (which I almost didn't happen to see.)

I'll run the idea past the Moderator's Team, and see what they think.

Thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

This is a request to the Moderators - would it be possible to move this thread to the Priority Threads section?


I'll run the idea past the Moderator's Team, and see what they think.

By unanimous and enthusiastic consent of the Moderator's, this thread is now a Priority Thread.

Thanks for the suggestion, arwen!

[Mari]

Its an absolutely fascinating read! I'm up to level 4, & have forgotten there's yet another one in the offing. He musters together the information & presents it in a easy-readable format - perfect for those like me, who are new to his work & want something that I can actually (mostly!) relate to. Some of my 'beliefs' have been challenged here, but that's all part of the game, isn't it?

[arwen]

Oh, wonderful! Thank you so much, Paul and Mods. :)

Mari - yes, this work is really worthwhile for avid and serious researchers and truth seekers - I consider it seminal. I am on Level 1, and am already blown away, and I just love that Wes uses citation and referencing methods. You may have missed it, it was mentioned earlier on this thread, but he has completed and put out Level 5, which is available here (http://wespenre.com/5/PDF/TheWesPenrePapers--TheFifthLevelOfLearning%28FullVersion1stEdition%29--TheVedicPapers.pdf).

[Bluegreen]

This is a request to the Moderators - would it be possible to move this thread to the Priority Threads section?


I'll run the idea past the Moderator's Team, and see what they think.

By unanimous and enthusiastic consent of the Moderator's, this thread is now a Priority Thread.

Thanks for the suggestion, arwen!
I hope Mr. Penre approves ...

[Wes Penre]

Hi everybody,

I have a chance to peek in for a while this morning. I have been extraordinary busy--not only with research and stuff, but also general "life stuff;" you know...that which we don't necessarily feel that excited about but still needs to be done :-).

I was very positively surprised when I saw that this thread had become a "Priority Thread." I am truly very humbled. I must say that I am happy that I decided to join this forum. The energies here are very different from some other forums I have read (no names). There are a bunch of very gentle, knowledgeable, and loving souls here, and it always feels very pleasant to return to this forum.

I just now read the posts since I contributed last, and I want to reply to some of them to the best of my ability. And please, everybody, call me Wes ;-). It may be because I'm Swedish; we don't have the "Sir" and "Mr" titles there. Well, we have--sort of--but they are very rarely used these days. I am much for equality. I like to call people by their first names, and I like when people do the same with me. If someone doesn't like to be called by first name, I totally respect that, however, and then start using whatever title is appropriate with that person. I just think that we're all equal regardless, and calling each other by first name is a symbol for that. It also feels that we come closer to each other.

Forgive me if this feels irrelevant. I always bring it up in emails I get as well. :-) But don't get me wrong; if someone feels more comfortable calling me with a title, please don't hesitate. I'm okay with it.

[Wes Penre]

Hello Wes, how are you? I hope all is well.

Recently I came across some summary information provided by a Brazilian Mediun called Kayo, dedicated over 20 years to investigate the UFO phenomena and other topics such as reincarnation, which in many ways are very similar to the narrative described by you on the FIA, which he calls 'Domain'.

According Kayo, only in via lactea there are over 400,000 planets in similar conditions to the planet Earth (prison) on the control domain (fia).

He also believes that the light tunnel is a trap for the recycling of souls, but he tells some cases where the souls who decided to get out of the trap, were pursued and captured in what he described as an abduction of souls in the 'spiritual' world. That is, were captured against their will and 'consent'.

Kayo says also that abductions we know here on the planet, aims not only the genetic experiments, but mainly the extraction of mental information that is recorded in our soul. Thus, the information of the souls who are these planets prisons having different backgrounds and locations of the galaxy, which may or not may be under the control of the domain (Fia), are downloaded to a kind of central computer which provide them with the ability to produce one intergalactic mapping of the overall situation in order to maintain control over them.

From what I understand the narrative made by Kayo, the escape of the 'tunnel of light trap' can not be a simple matter of desire, but something more complex and dangerous. Those who escape the trap become a kind of 'renegades'.

Also according to him, there seems to be a group which he called 'resistance' that 'try' to make a counterpoint to the 'domain' here on the planet. I asked him by email to describe more details about this group and I am waiting for a response.

It is not my intention to make a comparison between what you and he describes, but integrate this information and try to see the bigger picture of the situation in which we find ourselves.

My two questions are:

1 - You have information of this type of persecution of souls trying to escape?

2 - If souls from different sources (different suns) may be living together here on the planet, how can we know which ones have the 'fire Goddess'?

I appreciate your attention.

Hug.

Naste.
  
PS: Follow the youtube account link in which the Kayo makes these revelations (in Portuguese). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwtZXXc__v4

Hi Naste,

I must admit that I am not familiar with Kayo. Is there any information about him, or by him, in English, or is it all in Portuguese?

Regarding the 400,000 prison planets; I don't know the number of planets, to be honest, but if we think of it this way; the Orion Empire is extremely vast, much vaster than the AIF (Alien Invader Force) Empire, although from our perspective, the AIF Empire is huge. I just want to put this in perspective--by saying that there are 400,000 prison planets may sound like an incredible number, but if we think about how huge the Universe is, it's not that many planets (and we are only aware of 4% of the Universe). Although I don't know if Kayo's number is correct, I wouldn't be too surprised if it were. The AIF Empire is after all building an army to use against Orion in the future, and Earth is just one planet of future soldiers.

It sounds as if Kayo and I have come to very similar conclusions in many ways--even the Afterlife trap is similar. However, I beg to differ when it comes to the abduction of renegade souls who have decided to escape the trap. Yes, they could potentially be abducted, but only if these souls are not firm enough with what they wish. This is why I am currently gathering relevant material to write a new book, which solely has to do with the Afterlife and how to escape the trap step by step.

The only reason a soul would be 'abducted' and put into recycling again is if she (I'll call the soul 'she' throughout) is manipulated into agreeing to it.

And why would someone be manipulated into it even if they have for example read the Wes Penre Papers? The answer is because of fear! Fear of the unknown. In the papers I wrote that escaping the trap is simple; you just locate the Grid (which will be located "above" you, as you will perceive it) and disappear through it. This is true, but there are a few steps before that. If we have the knowledge, passing through these steps will be easy and quick, but without knowledge, it requires some exploration before the "aha" moment comes and you can disappear.

These steps are basically different dimensions and subdimensions that you go through after you leave your body. I will describe this in detail in my new book; as clearly and simple as I possibly can, with a purpose to remove ALL fear that has to do with dying and afterlife. My concern has been, since I completed the papers, that souls who have just departed from their physical body in the last second will choose to go through the Tunnel and the Light anyway because it's a path often traveled. It feels "safer." The soul may feel uncomfortable with moving out in the real Universe and explore what is unknown to her; she may have fear of getting lost.

This fear has no base in reality--there is nothing to fear, but that's easy to say. When the day comes, it's another issue, if you know what I mean.

There may be "Spirit Guides," dead "relatives," and "friends" who meet you when you depart and ask you to follow them toward the Light. They will emanate a huge amount of love and coziness, and the departed soul may feel comfortable and together with people they know since before. That's HUGE! It can fool almost anyone. But who says that they really ARE your relatives? Who says that you are not "scanned" before you die so that the AIF knows whom you are close to, and they just shapeshift into these people?

Many think that if aliens or whomever emanate huge quantities of love and comfort, they must be the "real deal;" the same thing in channeling. "No bad aliens can emanate that huge amount of love." Oh yes, they can! Why on Earth wouldn't they be able to do that? It's just a frequency. Why wouldn't they be able to imitate that frequency? A piece of cake.

Sometimes, the people who meet you when you depart could be your real dead relatives as well, but it really doesn't matter. They act as a distraction, and if they ARE your relatives, they don't know better.

These things are the difficult parts. This is where you either just ignore them and continue your journey, or you say, "thank you for your lovely assistance, but I am going to try something new and I don't want to be interrupted. One day you'll understand, grandma. I love you!" Then you move on. It's very important that you don't let any distraction get to you, knowing that this is what they are -- distractions. And rest assured; if you're determined, no one is going to stop you.

Then you bring up the "Central Computer," which is gathering information from all the prison planets the AIF have under their control. Yes, absolutely! They use the "mass consciousness" of a soul group (such as the human soul group), as well as the mass consciousness from other soul groups and put it in a super computer, if we want to use that "human term." It's of course "searchable" just as any computer here on Earth. This is very real; they would be quite stupid if they didn't have something such as that.

Last, you ask about if there are souls from other soul groups here on Earth, how can we distinguish?

Well, the human soul is actually quite special. I don't like to use that word because it suggests "elitism." But fact remains; our soul group had a mission, and it was boosted with the Fire directly from the Goddess; in Her incarnated form, but also in the form of the "Goddess Oversoul." (I know...this is complicated, and I only know a little bit of it myself, but let's just look at it this way; it's similar to how our souls are constructed. Oversoul and soul fragments, but in Her case, on a much higher level--closer to "Source," or the final Divine Feminine). In other words, we have a great range of emotions; we have a tendency to be able to imagine things easily in our minds; we are basically very loving, caring, humble, and playful. When it all boils down to it and we stand there naked, so to speak, we will definitely recognize who is who. Right now it may be more difficult; we need to be more psychic and trust our feelings, and know that our bodies do have the answers. The answers are ALWAYS within--not "out there." Until we learn this and can practice it, we may have some problems with distinguishing.

However, just because a soul is not of our native soul group doesn't mean she should be alienated from the rest of us. Souls are captured quite often from outside the solar system and caught in the recycling trap together with us. They may be very decent souls, worth our love, and we should welcome them. We will notice from their actions...

Hope that answers your questions (to the best of my ability). If I forgot something, just holler :cool:

Love, Wes

[Wes Penre]

Hello, Wes. I have been reading through this thread and I find that some of your information parallels my own past life research and experiences as well as my current life experiences with "Grays".

I am wondering if you are aware of my experiences with the Ra/Ptah "ET" group that I and another abductee encountered in our past lives, which I refer to as the Serpent Staff Pleiadians, or SSPs. The core of this information is documented in the first two chapters of THE EYE OF RA.

If so, how do you think this group of bearded, human-looking ETs fits into the research that you have done?

Thanks,
Truman

Hi Truman,

I have no idea how I can have missed out on your work! I noticed when I googled you that just like me you have your books available for free on the Internet. I downloaded both of them (or are there more than two?) and will certainly look into them as one of my priorities. They look very interesting! I am also always very appreciative when I see someone offering their work for free!

Thanks Truman! There's not too much I can say at this point--I need to read them first--but I'll most probably be back with a comment (or maybe a question or two?) in the near future. That's what's exciting--we learn from each other :-)

Love, Wes

[Bluegreen]

Thank you Wes
:yo:

[Siren Master]

Wow. I teach breathing and voice. My life experience is the exact opposite of this description of the ka. The in breath, just before the kiss, before being entered by a lover, is the feminine breath. The lifting of the chest in anticipation, like the movie stars of the 30's - 40's before the end of the movie...these are feminine breaths.

[naste.de.lumina]

Hope that answers your questions (to the best of my ability). If I forgot something, just holler :cool:

Love, Wes

Thanks for the reply Wes.

Very complete and detailed as always.

I tried to find some of kayo work in English but did not succeed. I even thought there would be something along those lines since he's lived for a long time in London. If I get something interesting in this direction will be putting here.

Yes, when the day comes. As I research on this subject feel like I'm preparing myself for that particular moment. The way I found in trying to overcome some fear being through knowledge.

That's why I'm so grateful to you and others who offer to transfer the knowledge you have accumulated.

In some lucid dreams I had, sometimes I came across entities (consciousness) that made me realize by using a kind of wave of terror that took care of my whole being, which made me wake up. Interestingly, after analyzing some of these experiences, I managed to control that fear and keep me in the dream. It was then that I realized how these waves of fear felt artificial and similar. It's like they would use some kind of weapon that fires fear rays. The first time this happened I noticed some surprise of the entity to realize that I was still around. That's when I got to see them for the first time.

Since then I try to keep a mental conditioning saying to myself (including the day to day), that a shock is different from being afraid and so I try to keep track of my frequency 'body', for lack of a better term.

For sure I will be one of the readers of his new book. Meanwhile I'm reading what you have provided. My lack of a complete knowledge of the English language makes this process a little slow. But that's okay. I'm getting better and in that sense and think I understand English better than write.

Surely this topic deserves to be a priority thread.

Again I thank for you kindness in answered these questions.

A big hug.

Naste.

[Nine]

I'm all alone in this world, there is no 'we' except the little family I have. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly happened to Spirituality, when the New Age merged with Conspiracy Theories. I personally see a very odd trend that I think you might be a product of (or, something ....).

Anyway, some one paid me a visit this morning. I hope they liked my voice. I'll not be too much of a bother. Looking forward to a peaceful Spring somewhere. Might as well be here.

Excellent post....

Thanx
Nine

[Wes Penre]

In some lucid dreams I had, sometimes I came across entities (consciousness) that made me realize by using a kind of wave of terror that took care of my whole being, which made me wake up. Interestingly, after analyzing some of these experiences, I managed to control that fear and keep me in the dream. It was then that I realized how these waves of fear felt artificial and similar. It's like they would use some kind of weapon that fires fear rays. The first time this happened I noticed some surprise of the entity to realize that I was still around. That's when I got to see them for the first time.

Since then I try to keep a mental conditioning saying to myself (including the day to day), that a shock is different from being afraid and so I try to keep track of my frequency 'body', for lack of a better term.

Naste,

You bring up a very important point, in my opinion. I mentioned that they are using the love frequency to confuse and manipulate us, but it's equally true that they use the fear frequency to do the same. What you seem to have been doing quite successfully is to begin to distinguish between your own thoughts and emotions and thoughts/emotions that do not belong to you. I can't emphasize enough how important that is, and when we master this skill, their game is over! I've written extensively about claiming our sovereignty--both as a species and as single human beings. We can't do that with full success until we master our own thoughts and emotions.

A good way to start is in everyday life when we mingle with other humans in groups, whether it's at work or wherever it may be. A way to learn is to check upon oneself: how do I feel at this moment? Are all these feelings and thoughts mine? If not, which one can I truly recognize as my own, which ones am I uncertain about, and which ones am I sure are not my own emotions and thoughts?

With a lot of practice we can get pretty skilled at it. Not until we get stunned about how many thoughts and feelings are not our own are we beginning to make real progress.

Love, Wes

[Nine]

Divine fem,

I simply have a problem with your teachings about spiritual levels and that there are paths to enlightenment over those who choose not to take said path.

The focus seems to me to be about the very villins that seem to be a part of human nature or even to be a force of nature itself.
Human nature is the problem...

Thanx

Nine

To the heritic and the advancement of knowledge!

[naste.de.lumina]

You bring up a very important point, in my opinion. I mentioned that they are using the love frequency to confuse and manipulate us, but it's equally true that they use the fear frequency to do the same. What you seem to have been doing quite successfully is to begin to distinguish between your own thoughts and emotions and thoughts/emotions that do not belong to you. I can't emphasize enough how important that is, and when we master this skill, their game is over! I've written extensively about claiming our sovereignty--both as a species and as single human beings. We can't do that with full success until we master our own thoughts and emotions.

A good way to start is in everyday life when we mingle with other humans in groups, whether it's at work or wherever it may be. A way to learn is to check upon oneself: how do I feel at this moment? Are all these feelings and thoughts mine? If not, which one can I truly recognize as my own, which ones am I uncertain about, and which ones am I sure are not my own emotions and thoughts?

With a lot of practice we can get pretty skilled at it. Not until we get stunned about how many thoughts and feelings are not our own are we beginning to make real progress.

Love, Wes

I agree with you Wes, in relation to differentiate our feelings and emotions of the emanations of the feelings and emotions of the people around us.

For me the hardest during daily activities, is to keep what I call conscious of being conscious. In other words, I have to be aware that I'm playing a role in order to make this analysis of emotions and feelings from that state of consciousness. Demand much attention and criticism towards what we feel is our thoughts.

It is very easy to confuse the role with our inner self. A simple problem in traffic can be enough to put this state of consciousness to sleep. I think that's part of the genetic programming of our body (r-complex or reptilian brain).

Anyway, it is possible to induce someone to a perception of fear also it's possible for a simulated frequency of love ..

Thanks my brother.

Naste.

[Bluegreen]

Hi Wes
One thing I don't get about the so-called illuminati (much too poetic a word, IMO)
PTB? PTW? Satanists? 1%?
Ankle-biters?
(Comments?)
Is that they surely know that everything you do comes back to you, what comes around goes around, you reap what you sow
Any comments you would have would be appreciated as this genuinely mystifies me

[Wes Penre]

Hi Wes
One thing I don't get about the so-called illuminati (much too poetic a word, IMO)
PTB? PTW? Satanists? 1%?
Ankle-biters?
(Comments?)
Is that they surely know that everything you do comes back to you, what comes around goes around, you reap what you sow
Any comments you would have would be appreciated as this genuinely mystifies me


Hi Bluegreen,

LOL. No, I think you covered the names for them pretty well--any of them would fit. I also agree that Illuminati sounds too poetic--and mystical. It has a curious ring to it, wanting us to know what it is. And I can't help it; I love the Italian language. It's beautiful--and poetic!

Karma--the way it's applied and conceptualized here on Earth--is mostly an invention of the AIF (Alien Invader Force) in order to keep us wanting to recycle and take responsibility for our actions (hence the "life review" after death). However, anyone of us has probably noticed some time or another when we have done something (something "bad" foremost) that after a while it slaps us back in the face. We can call it karma if we want. But most of the time it's just logic--if you steal from someone, you're going to get caught because people investigate the crime, or if you talk a lot behind people's back, sooner or later someone's going to start talking about you behind your back, etc. I don't call that karma; it's just logical consequences of one's own actions; action vs. counter-action. If you secretly do something you know you shouldn't; sometimes you get away with it and sometimes not. It's often revealed because you have learned that if you do something bad, it's going to be revealed sooner or later. Most of the time you create your own disclosure--consciously or unconsciously because of what you learn from people around you how it's supposed to work.

The Elite knows that karma is usually "bull" and something invented. Therefore, they think they can get away with anything. We "normal" people watch what they're doing, and sometimes we notice that some of them live a full life without getting punished, or having karma applied to them, and that puzzles us: "why are we getting our karma and not them?" Well, they also know better than the average man how to manage energies, and thus they can stay away from many reprimands. But as you also have seen, some of them get caught and held responsible (at least to some extent). Again, I think it's just logical stuff. When you go overboard, it's going to hit you back. Some explain the Elite's lack of relatively instant karmic repercussion that they will get it, but in the next life, or the next one after that. Not necessarily, in my opinion, unless they continue on the same path, and sooner or later someone is going to get them for it. Or they stop themselves (consciously or subconsciously) from continuing doing evil acts by doing something stupid so they get caught, because they can't stand themselves anymore (this only goes for those who after all has some kind of conscience left).

Then we have positive "karma." What is that? Again, it's a way of handling and managing energies. You do something good for someone, and you get something good back--from the same person or elsewhere. Why elsewhere? Because people see you're a likable person and they want to reward that. Or, you manage energies on a level where similar energies that you put out come back to you--just frequencies, that's all. Well, isn't that karma then? If you want to call it that--yes. But karma has another nasty tail to it, and that is that we have to pay for what we do, or else we'll be hit by God's wrath (Christianity), or we have to reincarnate to make things right again.

No, we don't! Just use common sense. Karma is not created for us as some mysterious law--we create karma by believing in it. Karma becomes equivalent to bad conscience. Instead, let's just be responsible for our actions and be honest as much as we can. When we can't make things right with somebody although we try, we can just forgive ourselves and the other person. And when someone has done something bad to us; instead of giving it back to them in some kind of revenge, forgive them. Not for their sake, but for ours. Only they can sort out their part.

If someone wants to call my examples above "karma," that's fine with me. However, I do not believe that when we die and the AIF makes us ransack our lives, we have to go back here only because we need to make things right again. Instead, forgive yourself and others and let go off it. But according to karma, that's impossible. According to me, it may be necessary for own peace (we are good-hearted people after all--even if it sits deep inside in some people), but is also a way to cut off strings between self and others, who have influenced our lives negatively--by our own fault or theirs, or both. If a person feels he needs to do that after he has departed, do it. If not, don't worry about it. Move on! If that person wants to recycle anyway, do so. If he wants to leave this "game," do that.

Love, Wes

[Wes Penre]

Divine fem,

I simply have a problem with your teachings about spiritual levels and that there are paths to enlightenment over those who choose not to take said path.

The focus seems to me to be about the very villins that seem to be a part of human nature or even to be a force of nature itself.
Human nature is the problem...

Thanx

Nine

To the heritic and the advancement of knowledge!

Hi Nine,

Well, yes and no... Everybody has the chance to choose a path toward more understanding and "enlightenment," if we want to use that word (it's been so abused, and is now heavily used by the Elite and their organizations). We have a choice what we want to learn--we may want to learn more about ourselves, our spirituality, our place in cosmos etc., or we may want to learn more about how the last computer game works and how to be savvy at that. But nothing is free--even if I don't charge for my info, it's not a free ride. Much is required of the reader. My own "spiritual levels" (I assume you mean the "Levels of Learning") are not just spiritual levels, they are "levels of knowledge," i.e. once you've learned something, you learn something more--thus different levels. It's not an intent to put the student on a pedestal. If we are really blunt about it, it's my own levels of learning; how I learned these things and in what order. All I'm doing is to share with others who are interested in what I have learned. Also, as I've said many times throughout these levels, anyone is perfectly free to discard them all as fantasy, science fiction, disinfo, insanity (LOL), or whatever. It's up to the reader.

I do not share your conclusion that it is solely a human trait and that it's all our own fault that we sit in this mess. I do agree that we are buying into the manipulation and are mimicking the "gods" when we go to war, create hierarchies, governments, and whatnot. I am aware that we as humans need to take responsibility for that part. But I don't think we can "shape up" until we are aware of the hidden force behind the scenes, and their major part in the play. This is huge, and it has gone so far that we humans have to make radical changes in order to once again become the human species we once were, but I believe all this may one day become natural if a certain number of people wake up and learn about what's really going on. And sometimes the darkest hour is just before the dawn.

I departed a little bit from the subject; only because I got the chance to say it in this context, but to go right to your point: trying to focus on the Global Elite and have them overthrown, persecuted or whatnot is the wrong target--at the moment! The main target right now is those who work above the Global Elite. They need to be known about. Even if we in some magical way managed to get rid of the villains, they would be replaced by the numbers by the "Hidden Hand;" the invisible force behind the scenes.

Love, Wes

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The main target right now is those who work above the Global Elite. They need to be known about. Even if we in some magical way managed to get rid of the villains, they would be replaced by the numbers by the "Hidden Hand;" the invisible force behind the scenes.

Hi Wes,

Please describe this "Hidden Hand" and give us your opinion of how humans can best deal with this issue.

Thanks, Ron

[Mari]

Hi Ron, while we're waiting for Wes's reply to your request, I can maybe chip in with what I've heard & read (not much admittedly!) about this 'hidden hand', in that in some quarters they're known as the 'Reptillian Alliance' & do their 'controlling' of the 'elite' on this planet from another (4th?) dimension. That's all I can say at present. This info changes all the time - new truths are coming out & maybe We's has a handle on it - I'm sure he has!
One thing I will say however, is that I have a far, far better time digesting & understanding the 'control scenarios' on this planet - 'hidden-hand', reptilians etc, than I do of Wes's theory about what happens when we die; I always believed in the cherished 'tunnel of light', relatives meeting me, etc, that this has seriously made me think. As I suppose it's designed to do!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Ron, while we're waiting for Wes's reply to your request, I can maybe chip in with what I've heard & read (not much admittedly!) about this 'hidden hand', in that in some quarters they're known as the 'Reptillian Alliance' & do their 'controlling' of the 'elite' on this planet from another (4th?) dimension. That's all I can say at present. This info changes all the time - new truths are coming out & maybe We's has a handle on it - I'm sure he has!
One thing I will say however, is that I have a far, far better time digesting & understanding the 'control scenarios' on this planet - 'hidden-hand', reptilians etc, than I do of Wes's theory about what happens when we die; I always believed in the cherished 'tunnel of light', relatives meeting me, etc, that this has seriously made me think. As I suppose it's designed to do!

Hi Mari,

I am familiar with some stories of the reptilian control structure. Perhaps the Draco Reptilians are only part of the control structure. During an April 1, 2015 Simon Parkes interview (http://ronmauer.net/2015_04_01_Simon_Ron.mp3), there was reference to the Archons (perhaps also known as the Djinn), the Draco Reptilians (Anu, Enki and Enlil) and the light trap. It would be interesting to know if Wes was including all of this as part of the "Hidden Hand".

The most valuable information yet to be discovered is how humans can level the playing field in this multidimensional chess game and experience more freedom, well being and joy. I am hungry for *real* solutions. We must not accept the pre-planned solutions designed by those who have engineered the enslavement of humanity.

Thanks for your response.

In joy, safety and harmony we step into the unkown.

Ron

[Mari]

Yes, I've listened to Simon Parkes & first learned about the 'light trap' from him, & its SO heartening to know that a 'level playing field' has been prepared for us, as he states'. I hadn't heard about this before & was seriously questioning the human races's ability to topple the control structure, so I feel quite comforted. I feel we are 'supposed to' & are on course for this toppling, & it was good to hear Simon talk of the fact that we are in a 'good timeline' for this to happen.

[Nine]

Wes,

Thank you for your kind response!

But if we look outside ourselves do we not then accept our own victim hood? And once a victim one can not possibly become a creator since I personally believe that it was love energy that created us in the first place!

Is it then not reasonable to believe that love and new creation should be the focus of our lives?



Thanx

Nine

[Wes Penre]

Hi Wes,

Please describe this "Hidden Hand" and give us your opinion of how humans can best deal with this issue.

Thanks, Ron

Hi Ron,

I'm sorry, I think I wasn't that clear in my message. I shouldn't have used the term "Hidden Hand" because people probably come to think of the interview with Hidden Hand on my Illuminati News website (http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html). That was not my intention, although Hidden Hand claims to be one of these ETs. Not sure if you got the impression that I was talking about the "Hidden Hand Interview" or not. Anyway, what I meant was the ETs (The AIF--Alien Invader Force) that are controlling mankind through the Global Elite. That's what my Papers are all about, so the answer to your question, besides the Hidden Hand article, would be to read my papers, http://wespenre.com. It's too much to go into in a single post--even in a series of posts. I'm trying to avoid to summarize it too much because however I do that, I'm missing a large quantity of important info that I want people to read and "take in."

Sorry about the confusion, Ron!

Love and Peace,
Wes

[Wes Penre]

Wes,

Thank you for your kind response!

But if we look outside ourselves do we not then accept our own victim hood? And once a victim one can not possibly become a creator since I personally believe that it was love energy that created us in the first place!

Is it then not reasonable to believe that love and new creation should be the focus of our lives?



Thanx

Nine

Hi Nine,

Yes absolutely, and all that which you mention here is exactly what I've been emphasizing in the papers.

And we will not be victims by learning about what is repressing, suppressing, and oppressing us. Quite the contrary; the more we learn, the stronger we become. A victim is someone who doesn't have the information they need. We can't possibly become creators if we don't get the bigger picture even if it's not always about love. If we could, we would have become creators a long time ago (I assume that by creator you mean on a high, spiritual level). Indeed, we become more loving the more we understand about what is happening around us.

Also, we ultimately need to look inside ourselves for answers; that's where the answers reside. However, in order to present the current ET scenario, it needs to be done from the opposite angle--by looking at it from the outside, although that's more of an illusion. Otherwise too many people miss the point.

Eventually, when people grasp what I'm intending with my information, I believe they realize automatically that the answers lie within ourselves. But just to make sure, I mention this many times throughout the Levels of Learning.

I hope I have understood your questions correctly.

Peace,
Wes

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Wes,

Please describe this "Hidden Hand" and give us your opinion of how humans can best deal with this issue.

Thanks, RonHi Ron,

I'm sorry, I think I wasn't that clear in my message. I shouldn't have used the term "Hidden Hand" because people probably come to think of the interview with Hidden Hand on my Illuminati News website (http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html). That was not my intention, although Hidden Hand claims to be one of these ETs. Not sure if you got the impression that I was talking about the "Hidden Hand Interview" or not. Anyway, what I meant was the ETs (The AIF--Alien Invader Force) that are controlling mankind through the Global Elite. That's what my Papers are all about, so the answer to your question, besides the Hidden Hand article, would be to read my papers, http://wespenre.com. It's too much to go into in a single post--even in a series of posts. I'm trying to avoid to summarize it too much because however I do that, I'm missing a large quantity of important info that I want people to read and "take in."

Sorry about the confusion, Ron!

Love and Peace,
Wes

Thanks for the clarifications Wes.

I would also really enjoy reading what others think may be some of the best solutions, if those discussions are appropriate here, based on the material presented in http://wespenre.com.

The proposed solutions could be in agreement with the material, or not. It is OK for people to have diverse opinions. There is value in diversity.

It seems very important to me, to brainstorm about solutions individuals can influence on a personal level. Some understanding of the control structure is needed of course, but only if that understanding stimulates positive action in support of freedom, well being and joy.

[Wes Penre]

Thanks for the clarifications Wes.

I would also really enjoy reading what others think may be some of the best solutions, if those discussions are appropriate here, based on the material presented in http://wespenre.com.

The proposed solutions could be in agreement with the material, or not. It is OK for people to have diverse opinions. There is value in diversity.

It seems very important to me, to brainstorm about solutions individuals can influence on a personal level. Some understanding of the control structure is needed of course, but only if positive action is taken in support of freedom, well being and joy.

If that's acceptable and in line with the policy of this forum, it's fine with me. The thing that came to mind when I read your post was that what you're suggesting is otherwise what people do in all the other threads on the forum--each thread has its topic. I'm not sure how much a thread has to stay on topic, so I'll let the moderators decide what is acceptable or not. Whatever the guidelines are, I'm fine with that...

[ThePythonicCow]

If that's acceptable and in line with the policy of this forum, it's fine with me. The thing that came to mind when I read your post was that what you're suggesting is otherwise what people do in all the other threads on the forum--each thread has its topic. I'm not sure how much a thread has to stay on topic, so I'll let the moderators decide what is acceptable or not. Whatever the guidelines are, I'm fine with that...
There are a variety of kinds of threads ... like books in a library. Some threads are monographs, focused on one approach, to one topic, while some threads are collections of more varied topics or approaches.

The question is how best to organize things, for the accessibility of the most readers, without overloading the time and abilities of the authors.

[Nine]

Hi Wes,

Thank you again for your very kind responses to me. I feel very much like an outsider upon Avalon and so why do I feel that way? I feel the same way about the new age as I do about the evangelicals that I am and are with and a part of and so my opinion is that the evangelicals and the new agers are one and the same.

New agers and evangelicals share a belief in the myth of Armageddon...

New agers and evangelicals share a belief in the myth of Ascension and Resurrection
...

New agers and evangelicals share a belief in the myth of holocaust denial and basic racism...and that there are the saved and the unsaved...

Jesus said to me as an evangelical christian to love my enemies....

who is my enemy...

how do we define the enemy...

what is the enemy...

and when that enemy is defined and pinned down how does one love....that particular enemy?

Do we ignore wrong doing and genocide? That is a particular American specialty...as it were...

Do we go along with our war mongering politicians for the love of national security...

My personal belief and this is my personal opinion is that there are space brothers out there who have a sort of star trek like prime directive regarding earth affairs and so the bottom line is left up to us humans on this rock called earth....

Looking to our space brothers for salvation is an absolute abrogation of our rights as a sentient species and looking for others to save us lets us off of our own responsibility's as a sentient people....

Your work Wes is excellent and many can learn from you....

thanx

Nine

[t2016]

I will definitely spend my whole week to go through the detail. Thanks you for your work.

[Nine]

Hi Wes,

I simply sense that you are a very kind spirit and I simply like you personally...

However, about karma, many say that this force is not or can not be controlled...

that it is an impersonal force of nature...

I however do not think so...

I know nothing of what you speak of...your hundreds of pages of writings..

I know what many feel ...the mystics of the centuries...

All is about energy...

What drives energy issues in the modern world?

Oil...

focking oil...

If you were to have a party...what would you ask for as a perfect present?

To do what one would want...

and what would you want to do if there was no want for anything in your life?

And if billions asked that question do you think things would change...

in a new york minute...

thanx

Nine

[TrumanCash]

Hello, Wes. I have been reading through this thread and I find that some of your information parallels my own past life research and experiences as well as my current life experiences with "Grays".

I am wondering if you are aware of my experiences with the Ra/Ptah "ET" group that I and another abductee encountered in our past lives, which I refer to as the Serpent Staff Pleiadians, or SSPs. The core of this information is documented in the first two chapters of THE EYE OF RA.

If so, how do you think this group of bearded, human-looking ETs fits into the research that you have done?

Thanks,
Truman

Hi Truman,

I have no idea how I can have missed out on your work! I noticed when I googled you that just like me you have your books available for free on the Internet. I downloaded both of them (or are there more than two?) and will certainly look into them as one of my priorities. They look very interesting! I am also always very appreciative when I see someone offering their work for free!

Thanks Truman! There's not too much I can say at this point--I need to read them first--but I'll most probably be back with a comment (or maybe a question or two?) in the near future. That's what's exciting--we learn from each other :-)

Love, Wes

Hi, Wes. Thanks for your post about my question. To answer your question, yes, I have just written the two books.

My second book, THE EYE OF RA, is the one I think you might be interested in the most. The first book, THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET, is pretty much ET 101 so I don't think you'd find a much there that isn't also in THE EYE OF RA.

Also, I cover my experiences with the going-to-the-light, artificial (Mantid) reincarnation system in the chapter entitled "In-between Lives Implants and Out of Body Experiences".

In the chapter entitled "Journey to Discovery" I cover some channeling experiences that I had with the channeled "Pleiadians" by someone who was trained by Barbara Marciniak.

I'm looking forward to hearing any comments or questions you may have.

Best Wishes,
Truman

[Wes Penre]

Hi Wes,

I simply sense that you are a very kind spirit and I simply like you personally...

However, about karma, many say that this force is not or can not be controlled...

that it is an impersonal force of nature...

I however do not think so...

I know nothing of what you speak of...your hundreds of pages of writings..

I know what many feel ...the mystics of the centuries...

All is about energy...

What drives energy issues in the modern world?

Oil...

focking oil...

If you were to have a party...what would you ask for as a perfect present?

To do what one would want...

and what would you want to do if there was no want for anything in your life?

And if billions asked that question do you think things would change...

in a new york minute...

thanx

Nine

Nine,

Your last two postings bring up many important subject to ponder and to think both deep and hard on. I salute you for coming up with this because too many people have stopped thinking and expect others to do the thinking for them. Even if they can get some answers that way too, it's not the same, and they will never reach the depth of what they may conclude by consulting their inner self.

Only YOU have the answers to your own particular questions; if someone else tells you that "this is the way it is," you adopt their belief or perceived truth rather than your own. If we take someone else's belief fully to heart--perhaps because that person seems to be serious about his/her conclusions--it will eventually lead to conflicts and confusion.

It's okay, IMO, to ask questions, just as people are asking me questions about my work and perhaps even what I think on certain issues. However, someone who reads the Wes Penre Papers really carefully, and perhaps even takes notes, will eventually see that I sometimes give two seemingly different answers to the same question. This is not a mistake but by design. Life in general and the Universe in particular are paradoxes, and it is when we see those paradoxes that we really start making great progress.

There is never just one answer to a question. Sometimes the answers can be almost infinite and still work quite well as answers. This will not make sense to someone who still needs to figure out the basics of how the fluid Multiverse works, but those who've been around for some time and have gained wisdom by hard work when it comes to researching, reading, listening, discussing with others etc., will have an easier time comprehending what I just said.

Hence, even if we ask each other questions, it's very important to treat the answers for what they are--the other person's belief and conclusions. It's up to you to process what you're being told and see how it fits in. You, Nine, seem to have figured out how to ask the right questions for yourself to figure out. I would meditate on them, do breathing exercises, ask my Higher Self for guidance, ask the Universe for guidance, ask my body for guidance, and always ask for the Biggest Picture that my current incarnation can handle...do all that, and the answers that will enhance YOUR evolvement will be given to you. Your own body is a great dowsing tool :-)

And be sure that it's rarely the "analytical mind" that has the greatest answers. It only wants to categorize and list, 1) 2) 3) etc. The greatest insights always come from the Unconscious Mind.

Love, Wes

[Wes Penre]

If that's acceptable and in line with the policy of this forum, it's fine with me. The thing that came to mind when I read your post was that what you're suggesting is otherwise what people do in all the other threads on the forum--each thread has its topic. I'm not sure how much a thread has to stay on topic, so I'll let the moderators decide what is acceptable or not. Whatever the guidelines are, I'm fine with that...
There are a variety of kinds of threads ... like books in a library. Some threads are monographs, focused on one approach, to one topic, while some threads are collections of more varied topics or approaches.

The question is how best to organize things, for the accessibility of the most readers, without overloading the time and abilities of the authors.

Thank you, Paul!

Yes, and I think this is one of the main problems with forums--and I'm just talking for myself now. Regardless of which forum I'm browsing, it's generally the same thing that's happening. I find an interesting topic, and it starts out pretty good, but people in general have a hard time focusing, and after a while the thread gets watered down, and after a few pages, what is discussed has nothing to do with the original topic. I know of no perfect solution for this, I only know that many of us probably spend quite some time flipping through pages on Forums, trying to find something worthwhile squeezed in between the rest of the irrelevant posts.

I think I have brought this up before--if it was here or elsewhere, I can't remember. We humans, however, are social creatures in general, and we feel good when we connect with each other. Even weather discussions can be important for people sometimes. Even if there weren't any trolls on the forums, we still would have this problem to a certain extent, I believe. At first, I found it annoying, but after a while I came to terms with it, when I realized that it's the nature of the Beast :-) [I'm a little bit off topic here, but still...and you see what I mean..off topic? I'm certainly not perfect myself LOL.]

[naste.de.lumina]

Hey Wes, how are you?

At least intriguing this conversation.
Messages from Thorel Michael to Utu Shamash (with Correspondence between Wes Penre and Thorel Michael, Dec 2014-Apr 2015) (https://wespenreproductionsblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/)



If I am right, everything I have said will happen and much more that I haven’t, I will win, Marduk will be defeated, the watchers judged, the planet will be free of the Anunnaki, the wicked who deny the Creator and his anointed will burn, the survivors will be cured of their DNA affliction through the blood of Jesus and will resemble albinos being healthy and happy and living forever, all governments and control systems like religion and finance will be destroyed, the royal descendants of the watchers will fall and we will finally have peace, truth and justice. In the process, I will speak before the United Nations, be hated, abused, beaten half to death, disfigured and blinded.

Where I've heard that before?

happy and living forever

Changing the subject, have you watched the last movie of the Wachowski brothers 'Jupiter Ascending'?

Very interesting the parallels between the film and the ancient myths, especially the Gnostic texts.

It seems to me that they were inspired by the Gnostic mythology of Sophia (the word "Abrasax" is a track that).

The House of Abrasax

"Abrasax" is a clearly changed the term "Abraxas" - a term used by the ancient Gnostics to express the unspeakable name of the Supreme Being and to symbolize your solar power. In the beginning, Abraxas is a Greek name, ABΣPΞ.


For the Gnostic teacher Basilides (century. II of the Christian era), the Demiurge would have created "365 heaven." For him, the role of Christ's coming to earth would have been to warn that the creation belonged to a higher God, Abraxas, and not a Demiurge that would have created these 365 heaven as an imperfect copy of the Fullness.

Ironically in 'Jupiter Ascending' real caste Demiurgos calls itself as "House of Abrasax", connoting the failed attempt to corrupt deities copy this physical plane the Fullness of Abraxas.


Anyway the May month is almost here, we will see how things unfold.

Hugs.

Naste.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Where I've heard that before?

happy and living forever

My guess is that we do live forever, in some form, or many forms. The big issue seems to be remembering.

[Nine]

Wes,

Would I be amiss if what you write about ...I mean in your books...is it not about a path to the divine or a textbook of sorts?

I must apologize for posting and then delaying to answer...

I would say that I need a text book since after looking at the bible and history and science that text book seems to be lacking...

And if I am off base here...and I simply love the new age folks since they have been so kind to my family in real ways...

What of the ancient texts of other faiths?

Do we respect them? Well, I am an American sorry to say...

What of the faith of science in the 'West?

Dogma is dogma...if I am off base let me know since this is what I am thinking about...

I think personally that there is much in common to all that I have mentioned in this post...

I believe that the systems of life on this planet run upon energy first and then the changes of the social contentiousness come after and not before...

this is what I am deeply thinking about Wes...

thanx

Nine

[Sirius White]

There is tons of truth in Wes Penre's levels of learning, and TONS of disinformation too. Not by your own doing of course Wes, simply because that's just the name of the game- you know how it is :)

I only disagree with a bit of the bias that "everything is some huge conspiracy" angle to it, as well some of the dualistic perspectives. Also, the conjecture about some of the people and things (such as LPG) that is very, very misinformed. But that isn't your fault, just misunderstandings unfortunately.

As for the Annunaki I commend you on good work, although there Is an angle of information you have not yet seen in regards to the small groups of "good guys" working from that angle and others. It has to do with how it is connected to the bloodlines of the "melchezidek" and the dismantling of the "system" here on earth.

Other then that, great work Wes....everybody has a piece of the puzzle and nobody has it all. Thank you for your service to humanity!

I will come back to comment some more on specific things so as to be actually constructive.

[Sirius White]

Thanks for your great work Wes. I especially thank you on the earth system, the human mind system, and your work on re-incarnation as well as the bringing to light the Human Library- this is very important.

You are also correct in your ideas of Lyrans (and Vegans) as well as the Pleadians, although as you know this is all quite convoluted, has to do not just with other beings but human beings from other time-vectors as well.

In regards to the Annunaki, this is not a black and white issue. While the issues between the earthbound and those who are "returning" are very real, and very serious- it is not so clear cut. Eyes are on the SaaMi as they are also on those here, how everything is handled here has great effects across the Whole- and how we too conduct ourselves also has great effects. The Table of Life watches, as to the Lyrans, and countless other civilizations- most of all they watch the human thought-stream and its current evolutionary peak that it is reaching. The thought-stream of humanity is ripe and it is so diverse, so dense, and so full of potential there is a kind of anticipation for where anything can literally happen.

Just as within this world, there are entities and human beings working towards the evolution of mankind, and not just mankind but service to the Lifeforce that permeates all, so is there on their planet, priesthoods and scientists who value life above all else. They, have been working not just on a political level to alleviate these silly issues but also on a spiritual level, and in some cases in absolute secrecy. For example you'd be surprised to know the genetic creation of folk like Yeshua Ben Pandira (not Joseph..that is not his real dad) and Maria Magdalena were "hybrids" generated but for much different reasons than the other initial hybrids (and sexual copulated "offspring") whose purpose were to become shepherd kings. Along with other beings, there is a genetic plan to upgrade consciousness, clear the distortions, and create a direct connectivity grid not just to the earth, but the true Spirit of the whole that is mankind- that which AR taught you as the Overfunction, or the Krist. Where I am from, we simply call it The Tree of Life.

The King is working to the best of his ability, and Lord Ningishzida has done an excellent job at consolidating so many factors, spiritual, genetic, evolutionary, politically and exopolitically.

Whether his "father" sides with Marduk or not is not something that can be determined by us or anybody. The situation is unfortunate but there is, hmm how shall we say, some "McGaiverying" being done...not just by folks "up there" and good entities, but even human beings (like some of the "ambassadors" you spoke of before) here on the ground (and offworld). Let's just say that human beings are full of surprises and the events happening now, have happened in the past few years, and are happening in the next years have gone a LONG way to show those beings who are skeptical of our potential the truth of who we are.

Also, while I am not supposed to discuss this, I will only mention briefly. I got an email from somebody (who was later.."disposed of" for wanting to go public) who was a friend of mine at the time, telling me of his "Father" wanting to talk to me. While I won't say what it was, it had to do with something very positive, and important for humanity. So the idea that he has sided with anything "bad" just simply isn't true- does that mean he wants to harm his beloved son? No. Let us just hope it can all work out in a way...where the worst can be avoided (and it already is).

The last thing any of us want is war- and it is time for US to make our voice heard. You saw UTU used an email, well, UTU has been on and off here in person and there is something major going on right now that none of us know about. But let's just say, that what is happening is nothing short of miraculous.

You know of THE PLAN? Then you must know, that a plan put into effect thousands of years ago is not going according to plan...AT ALL. This reality has been engineered from the holographic level of subquantum mechanics all the way to DNA. DNA is the main inductor or rather transducer of consciousness and it is the human DNA which has been programmed, manipulated, and turned into what it is. Some of it was left over programming that other beings took advantage of, some of it is still intentional. You could say there has been a war over who controls the "program." But this program, is becoming undone because of the Source Code you once mentioned.

We are the Virus to the Virus.

And the Source Code is activated not just by the entrainment centers around...but folk like those posting on this forum....and a kind of resonant harmonic grid begins to form. When Yeshua came to earth (having the DNA of the King and also specifically hybridized by a very enlightened being who you may know in Arthurian Legend) he began something (well it began long before) quite clandestinely, a project of a kind of Heritage that all of humanity had embedded into them but remain previously suppressed and subdued. Not only would his blood spread, but the morphogenetic grid of humanity as a whole would also change- as specifically as it entered a time in which such levels of connectivity would begin to emerge (from the internet to real connectivity). Each human being becomes a member of a small collective, but retains their individuality ORGANICALLY. This way, each individual has a say or "vote," but first human beings must learn to extend beyond the confines of their bodies and think on the level of the TRUE SUPER INTELLIGENCE that resides in the cells, the DNA, the auric fields that superpose us, and away from the EGO construct, or HMS whose ability to process information is limited and is incredibly distorted by nature of design.

I greatly admire your work in particular your soul-utions, because much of what you say mirror my own path and understanding to which I too found similar conclusions on the same journey.

You are familiar with the technologies of LERM and BST are you not? These are things that are simply built into the way the Omniverse functions. In this particular, manipulated reality they are tools to help en-gage in the reprogramming of it at a base level. Currently, human beings are fed information through the consciousness filter, and then through their emotional energy, are led to see events (holographic inserts) or led to believe things which then trigger the distortions in their viewpoint. This viewpoint, of humanity, or people in general generate physical reality effects- and thus reality is quite literally programmed through human beings biology as their consciousness is taught what to focus on and what to entrain via their electrogravitic capabilities.

Those who have real manifestation abilities, or have moved beyond the limitations of the Egoic mind and understand the KNOWINGNESS that resides WITHIN- can begin to engineer an entirely new reality. Literally, if at least a small group of people knew how to do the above, they could end it all in a sec, and not only that, but engineer themselves a physical reality devoid of the issues that ail them and even avoid things that seem set in stone, or catastrophic. Anything actually.

You have seen the movie Dark City? Where the man learns their ability and then begins to literally create a new world with his mind. Imagine this, but humanity, doing it collectively, and with full consciousness (meaning not deceived or limited by their dualistic egoic mind). This is how things actually work but we are not cognizant of our focus nor our contribution to the collective physically manifested thought-stream.

Alex Collier was right...it's not so much about all this drama, or becoming aware, or coming up with solutions to issues that are millennia old. But actually completely entraining a new reality away from the one which we have been in cycle in for eons. Literally, create a new bubble, with completely NEW ways of thinking, completely change our VECTOR OF INTENT into a direction that we had previously not even fathomed...because it is there, and first- the first process is disentangling oneself from the reality constructs, belief systems, and nonsense that plagues this world. And it is quite simple...GO INWARD, to the SILENCE, and find the true I AM. From there possibilities not only become endless, they are inevitable. Only by unlearning everything we think is going on (including all this talk online and all the papers we have written) can we truly engage the Universe in a Fresh way, the way a child does before he is programmed into the system.

Now let's thank the Annunaki for something. While it may be true, that there was genetic engineering done to ensure we didn't have long life spans, to see things linearly (the HMS or ego), to be blocked from a kind of higher dimensional perception (not all their fault btw, ours too and other beings), and to be segregated/separated from the earth, hence on another (which is our power base), they did do one thing right. They engineered us to be very, very powerful conductors of consciousness and capable of literally materializing and generating physical reality simply by our POV, and observation. What AR taught you as MPO, or manifest produce observe. Other beings have this too, but the level of emotional energy human beings direct on a daily basis and the power of their thoughts, is quite honestly- beyond belief of even many beings who are visiting.

According to many insiders, and even folk like Ingo Swann, the human capability for psychic ability is tremendous. We worship these aliens as if they have superior mental capacities, and in some cases they do- but we do not realize the power of our emotion and intent. Ingo Swann said himself that ET's were quite sensitive to our psychic abilities, if not even afraid of them. A human whose vector of intent is trained and ability to extend is honed is quite capable of handling himself. Even I myself, have been of "interest" to many parties (especially the "suppressive ones") and I had been visited countless times, where everything from implantation, astral implantation, take over of body, astral dreamscapes (fake contructs during dream time), and even literal physical abductions were attempted and I was able to resist and overcome most if not all by sheer willpower. This happened after I came in contact with "Source" for the first time during a trip away from home....and now here I am.

Many of those who are here and taking our genetics, are in particular curious in our abilities to connect WITHOUT TECHNOLOGY. It is this, that we MUST defend, and thus many organizations, including white hats within the MIC rose up to defend this issue. Part of the DNA that is being defended is also that spread by Yeshua, and the new "hybrid" (or starkids") that are being born today. Many of us/you aren't just being protected by beings from elsewhere, but also undisclosed "human organizations" that also monitor and protect. Sometimes they suppress only so that the identity of these individuals (and their energetic signatures) aren't found. Even your old friend AR realized later in his life the necessity to protect human biology...That which we are to inherit, that which we have been gifted, is not to be suppressed or stolen from us.

Recognize yourself as the Guardian that you are.

There is a reason they can't be around our telepathic noise, and there is also a fascinating, as Alex COllier once mentioned with our ability to BELIEVE and keep things SOLID in 3d without even having to think twice about it. It is so normal to us we think physical reality is our master and not the other way around! We have no idea of the power we have! ANd it is this Gift, the Annunaki gave us, because this gift we can utilize, when we integrate with our TRUE Sovreign selves, to quite literally do anything. Because of the engineering of such a convincing hologram, via the manipulation of DNA and brain information processing, we have the gift of materializing reality and emotions or vectors of intent with incredibly immense powers.

In this case, our population is actually a BLESSING in disguise, and in fact, one of our greatest sources of power on this earth.

If it was not for them, and some of the manipulation done to our way of being- we wouldn't have the opportunity that we are out, nor would we have the huge diversity of genetics and the ability to focus linearly intention in such a way where physical reality is completely produced by us. Now, we can begin to reap the rewards, unlocking the inner, gnosive intelligence, and then use the limited CONSCIOUS MIND (who has a narrow point of attention) to direct it where we WANT, as if our real selves were behind a laser cannon that could manifest reality. Currently, most human beings think of themselves within the linear, stream of light of the laser. But instead, we can be the person with the 360 degree view, handling the laser and directing it wherever we want. For most people- the "laser" is their POV, a linear, filtered, binary, limited information processing system we call the "ego." But the ego, can be utilized, like a tool- once we are free from it.

Now how do we collectively manifest a new reality? Sure, every thought, emotion, and action counts. But I'm talking about something more intense....LERM.

So my suggestion, is to understand the circumstances NOW, let's QUIT blaming others, and realize we all signed up for this pony show- and make use of the unintended consequences of others (and our own) negative actions, and capitalize on the positive that is right here and now!

Also my friend, perhaps you need a bit more info on what the YHVH actually is....it is not "enlil" or "ra" or "marduk" or any of those things. It is no different really, than the idea of the "force." The Annunaki revere the YHVH but they know they are NOT in control of "it." Above all the Creative Principle values life and the "restoration" in the "rips of the fabric of life." And ALL of us, have contributed to those rips. The Wise SaamI know that restoration of these rips, is the integration of their own spirituality, and the consolidation of our karmas. Just as the Wise Human beings here know, but can we control everybody? No.

Unfortunately they on their world, as others in other worlds, and ours in our world- must deal with the corruption or political dramas of others of our kind and they with their kind. The conflict is not something that everybody can just collectively agree to end, even though they do want to. If someone is not going to stop at anything to take control of here, and the homeworld, what should be done about it? As I understand, the current King is quite amazing, and a VERY good choice. At the very least, a much better choice than others who may have added to the conflict.

Don't forget that the SaamI can generate an "Avatar" while here on the earth, that is why some of them may appear just as human as us.

All of this has evolutionary choices and benefits for us all if can all come through all of it alright. Let's not make it into some black vs white, good vs evil charade (orion vs Sirius). Let's see it for what it really is, God playing a game with itself and learning from each and every one of its experiences.

I'm not defending them...but they have a duty now, and a chance to make up for their past mistakes. But we too, as humans must come up to the plate, that is literally what is key. That's how respect is earned in general, on this world and on others.

Remember what your old friend AR used to say? "Everything in this creation is Earned." Who do you think told him that?

As for TM's idea of the plan and the plan of various of Annunaki. He nor they are in control.....well to varying degrees. He wants to prostrate himself before the "plan" fine. But he should know it has already begun to change, especially with the event two years ago when their "Home" was no longer inbound for certain destruction with our own world. I know other worlds (those in Lyra) have avoided certain destruction by engineering reality at the level of thought. And guess what...so have we. I don't think people realize the implications of this..and what this means to us.

That is where we are now, in our time frame.

There is more, much more. Another time.

[sunflower]

Thanks for your great work Wes. I especially thank you on the earth system, the human mind system, and your work on re-incarnation as well as the bringing to light the Human Library- this is very important.

You are also correct in your ideas of Lyrans (and Vegans) as well as the Pleadians, although as you know this is all quite convoluted, has to do not just with other beings but human beings from other time-vectors as well.

In regards to the Annunaki, this is not a black and white issue. While the issues between the earthbound and those who are "returning" are very real, and very serious- it is not so clear cut. Eyes are on the SaaMi as they are also on those here, how everything is handled here has great effects across the Whole- and how we too conduct ourselves also has great effects. The Table of Life watches, as to the Lyrans, and countless other civilizations- most of all they watch the human thought-stream and its current evolutionary peak that it is reaching. The thought-stream of humanity is ripe and it is so diverse, so dense, and so full of potential there is a kind of anticipation for where anything can literally happen.

Just as within this world, there are entities and human beings working towards the evolution of mankind, and not just mankind but service to the Lifeforce that permeates all, so is there on their planet, priesthoods and scientists who value life above all else. They, have been working not just on a political level to alleviate these silly issues but also on a spiritual level, and in some cases in absolute secrecy. For example you'd be surprised to know the genetic creation of folk like Yeshua Ben Pandira (not Joseph..that is not his real dad) and Maria Magdalena were "hybrids" generated but for much different reasons than the other initial hybrids (and sexual copulated "offspring") whose purpose were to become shepherd kings. Along with other beings, there is a genetic plan to upgrade consciousness, clear the distortions, and create a direct connectivity grid not just to the earth, but the true Spirit of the whole that is mankind- that which AR taught you as the Overfunction, or the Krist. Where I am from, we simply call it The Tree of Life.

The King is working to the best of his ability, and Lord Ningishzida has done an excellent job at consolidating so many factors, spiritual, genetic, evolutionary, politically and exopolitically.

Whether his "father" sides with Marduk or not is not something that can be determined by us or anybody. The situation is unfortunate but there is, hmm how shall we say, some "McGaiverying" being done...not just by folks "up there" and good entities, but even human beings (like some of the "ambassadors" you spoke of before) here on the ground (and offworld). Let's just say that human beings are full of surprises and the events happening now, have happened in the past few years, and are happening in the next years have gone a LONG way to show those beings who are skeptical of our potential the truth of who we are.

Also, while I am not supposed to discuss this, I will only mention briefly. I got an email from somebody (who was later.."disposed of" for wanting to go public) who was a friend of mine at the time, telling me of his "Father" wanting to talk to me. While I won't say what it was, it had to do with something very positive, and important for humanity. So the idea that he has sided with anything "bad" just simply isn't true- does that mean he wants to harm his beloved son? No. Let us just hope it can all work out in a way...where the worst can be avoided (and it already is).

The last thing any of us want is war- and it is time for US to make our voice heard. You saw UTU used an email, well, UTU has been on and off here in person and there is something major going on right now that none of us know about. But let's just say, that what is happening is nothing short of miraculous.

You know of THE PLAN? Then you must know, that a plan put into effect thousands of years ago is not going according to plan...AT ALL. This reality has been engineered from the holographic level of subquantum mechanics all the way to DNA. DNA is the main inductor or rather transducer of consciousness and it is the human DNA which has been programmed, manipulated, and turned into what it is. Some of it was left over programming that other beings took advantage of, some of it is still intentional. You could say there has been a war over who controls the "program." But this program, is becoming undone because of the Source Code you once mentioned.

We are the Virus to the Virus.

And the Source Code is activated not just by the entrainment centers around...but folk like those posting on this forum....and a kind of resonant harmonic grid begins to form. When Yeshua came to earth (having the DNA of the King and also specifically hybridized by a very enlightened being who you may know in Arthurian Legend) he began something (well it began long before) quite clandestinely, a project of a kind of Heritage that all of humanity had embedded into them but remain previously suppressed and subdued. Not only would his blood spread, but the morphogenetic grid of humanity as a whole would also change- as specifically as it entered a time in which such levels of connectivity would begin to emerge (from the internet to real connectivity). Each human being becomes a member of a small collective, but retains their individuality ORGANICALLY. This way, each individual has a say or "vote," but first human beings must learn to extend beyond the confines of their bodies and think on the level of the TRUE SUPER INTELLIGENCE that resides in the cells, the DNA, the auric fields that superpose us, and away from the EGO construct, or HMS whose ability to process information is limited and is incredibly distorted by nature of design.

I greatly admire your work in particular your soul-utions, because much of what you say mirror my own path and understanding to which I too found similar conclusions on the same journey.

You are familiar with the technologies of LERM and BST are you not? These are things that are simply built into the way the Omniverse functions. In this particular, manipulated reality they are tools to help en-gage in the reprogramming of it at a base level. Currently, human beings are fed information through the consciousness filter, and then through their emotional energy, are led to see events (holographic inserts) or led to believe things which then trigger the distortions in their viewpoint. This viewpoint, of humanity, or people in general generate physical reality effects- and thus reality is quite literally programmed through human beings biology as their consciousness is taught what to focus on and what to entrain via their electrogravitic capabilities.

Those who have real manifestation abilities, or have moved beyond the limitations of the Egoic mind and understand the KNOWINGNESS that resides WITHIN- can begin to engineer an entirely new reality. Literally, if at least a small group of people knew how to do the above, they could end it all in a sec, and not only that, but engineer themselves a physical reality devoid of the issues that ail them and even avoid things that seem set in stone, or catastrophic. Anything actually.

You have seen the movie Dark City? Where the man learns their ability and then begins to literally create a new world with his mind. Imagine this, but humanity, doing it collectively, and with full consciousness (meaning not deceived or limited by their dualistic egoic mind). This is how things actually work but we are not cognizant of our focus nor our contribution to the collective physically manifested thought-stream.

Alex Collier was right...it's not so much about all this drama, or becoming aware, or coming up with solutions to issues that are millennia old. But actually completely entraining a new reality away from the one which we have been in cycle in for eons. Literally, create a new bubble, with completely NEW ways of thinking, completely change our VECTOR OF INTENT into a direction that we had previously not even fathomed...because it is there, and first- the first process is disentangling oneself from the reality constructs, belief systems, and nonsense that plagues this world. And it is quite simple...GO INWARD, to the SILENCE, and find the true I AM. From there possibilities not only become endless, they are inevitable. Only by unlearning everything we think is going on (including all this talk online and all the papers we have written) can we truly engage the Universe in a Fresh way, the way a child does before he is programmed into the system.

Now let's thank the Annunaki for something. While it may be true, that there was genetic engineering done to ensure we didn't have long life spans, to see things linearly (the HMS or ego), to be blocked from a kind of higher dimensional perception (not all their fault btw, ours too and other beings), and to be segregated/separated from the earth, hence on another (which is our power base), they did do one thing right. They engineered us to be very, very powerful conductors of consciousness and capable of literally materializing and generating physical reality simply by our POV, and observation. What AR taught you as MPO, or manifest produce observe. Other beings have this too, but the level of emotional energy human beings direct on a daily basis and the power of their thoughts, is quite honestly- beyond belief of even many beings who are visiting.

According to many insiders, and even folk like Ingo Swann, the human capability for psychic ability is tremendous. We worship these aliens as if they have superior mental capacities, and in some cases they do- but we do not realize the power of our emotion and intent. Ingo Swann said himself that ET's were quite sensitive to our psychic abilities, if not even afraid of them. A human whose vector of intent is trained and ability to extend is honed is quite capable of handling himself. Even I myself, have been of "interest" to many parties (especially the "suppressive ones") and I had been visited countless times, where everything from implantation, astral implantation, take over of body, astral dreamscapes (fake contructs during dream time), and even literal physical abductions were attempted and I was able to resist and overcome most if not all by sheer willpower. This happened after I came in contact with "Source" for the first time during a trip away from home....and now here I am.

Many of those who are here and taking our genetics, are in particular curious in our abilities to connect WITHOUT TECHNOLOGY. It is this, that we MUST defend, and thus many organizations, including white hats within the MIC rose up to defend this issue. Part of the DNA that is being defended is also that spread by Yeshua, and the new "hybrid" (or starkids") that are being born today. Many of us/you aren't just being protected by beings from elsewhere, but also undisclosed "human organizations" that also monitor and protect. Sometimes they suppress only so that the identity of these individuals (and their energetic signatures) aren't found. Even your old friend AR realized later in his life the necessity to protect human biology...That which we are to inherit, that which we have been gifted, is not to be suppressed or stolen from us.

Recognize yourself as the Guardian that you are.

There is a reason they can't be around our telepathic noise, and there is also a fascinating, as Alex COllier once mentioned with our ability to BELIEVE and keep things SOLID in 3d without even having to think twice about it. It is so normal to us we think physical reality is our master and not the other way around! We have no idea of the power we have! ANd it is this Gift, the Annunaki gave us, because this gift we can utilize, when we integrate with our TRUE Sovreign selves, to quite literally do anything. Because of the engineering of such a convincing hologram, via the manipulation of DNA and brain information processing, we have the gift of materializing reality and emotions or vectors of intent with incredibly immense powers.

In this case, our population is actually a BLESSING in disguise, and in fact, one of our greatest sources of power on this earth.

If it was not for them, and some of the manipulation done to our way of being- we wouldn't have the opportunity that we are out, nor would we have the huge diversity of genetics and the ability to focus linearly intention in such a way where physical reality is completely produced by us. Now, we can begin to reap the rewards, unlocking the inner, gnosive intelligence, and then use the limited CONSCIOUS MIND (who has a narrow point of attention) to direct it where we WANT, as if our real selves were behind a laser cannon that could manifest reality. Currently, most human beings think of themselves within the linear, stream of light of the laser. But instead, we can be the person with the 360 degree view, handling the laser and directing it wherever we want.

So my suggestion, is to understand the circumstances NOW, let's QUIT blaming others, and realize we all signed up for this pony show- and make use of the unintended consequences of others (and our own) negative actions, and capitalize on the positive that is right here and now!

Also my friend, perhaps you need a bit more info on what the YHVH actually is....it is not "enlil" or "ra" or "marduk" or any of those things. It is no different really, than the idea of the "force." The Annunaki revere the YHVH but they know they are NOT in control of "it." Above all the Creative Principle values life and the "restoration" in the "rips of the fabric of life." And ALL of us, have contributed to those rips. The Wise SaamI know that restoration of these rips, is the integration of their own spirituality, and the consolidation of our karmas. Just as the Wise Human beings here know, but can we control everybody? No.

Unfortunately they on their world, as others in other worlds, and ours in our world- must deal with the corruption or political dramas of others of our kind and they with their kind. The conflict is not something that everybody can just collectively agree to end, even though they do want to. If someone is not going to stop at anything to take control of here, and the homeworld, what should be done about it? As I understand, the current King is quite amazing, and a VERY good choice.

All of this has evolutionary choices and benefits for us all if can all come through all of it alright. Let's not make it into some black vs white, good vs evil charade (orion vs Sirius). Let's see it for what it really is, God playing a game with itself and learning from each and every one of its experiences.

As for TM's idea of the plan and the plan of various of Annunaki. He nor they are in control.....well to varying degrees. He wants to prostrate himself before the "plan" fine. But he should know it has already begun to change, especially with the event two years ago when their "Home" was no longer inbound for certain destruction with our own world. I know other worlds (those in Lyra) have avoided certain destruction by engineering reality at the level of thought. And guess what...so have we. I don't think people realize the implications of this..and what this means to us.

That is where we are now, in our time frame.

There is more, much more. Another time.



BUMP

Interesting yet somewhat cryptic post from Sirius White. It will be interesting to see Wes Penre's reply.

I do hope you will give us more information in the very near future for us to consider. Thanks!

[t2016]

Wonderful job!! :clapping:

It would be great if someone can translate all in Chinese. It will be very useful to our young generation.

I know someone is translating but may not be in Chinese.

[Flash]

Wonderful job!! :clapping:

It would be great if someone can translate all in Chinese. It will be very useful to our young generation.

I know someone is translating but may not be in Chinese.

He takes more time to translate, in any language, than write the text itself. Doing such a job for free..... you have to have someone who is retired and does not need the money, who does it for fun. It is a lot of work.

But I agree, wonderful job.

[t2016]

Hi flash,

I am sorry to learn your interpretation of my meaning. You are not the first time to do such thing to me -> "FORGET THE DOLPHIN STUFF"

The papers are definitely good and I am thinking that if possible, it is good to have many languages in order to raise the awareness.

Of course, something is going behind than you think for the author. His work will, for sure, get reward. It is not necessary to let you know.

[Nine]

Hey Wes,

You are of course upon an Avalon priority thread...as it were...


Of course...what is a priority anyway?

I believe that life just goes on...

We choose our path...to serve self or to serve others and reward and punishment are illusions ...as it were...can not say much more about those issues...

Many say that we shall return to source and of course they are right...

few say that source will return you to your choice of service....

Many say we shall ascend as my dear new agers preach or be raptured as my dear dear evangils say...who knows for sure about any of that...

what does american science say? we are a bunch of heard animals with a bunch of chemical reactions going on upon our brains and all of this is pure random chance and not a conscious choice...

Just thought that this was an appropriate thread for what Nine was thinking about...

thanx

Nine

[arwen]

Hi Wes,

I have completed Level 1, and am now on Level 2. Wonderful, wonderful material, thank you again, so much for your magnificent work. I have no questions at this stage, I rather want to complete all 5 levels, in case anything is addressed further on. For now, I wanted to let you know that your work was one of the sources of inspiration for my latest video, and I have credited you and linked to your site in the blurb below the video. For me, this video captures the spirit of your work. :)

Love to you and yours, arwen.


hrjl2ABLCO4

[Flash]

Hi flash,

I am sorry to learn your interpretation of my meaning. You are not the first time to do such thing to me -> "FORGET THE DOLPHIN STUFF"

The papers are definitely good and I am thinking that if possible, it is good to have many languages in order to raise the awareness.

Of course, something is going behind than you think for the author. His work will, for sure, get reward. It is not necessary to let you know.

well, it seems we are both misunderstanding each other, because, quite frankly, I do not understand what you wrote - I am not sure of your meanings. And I do think it is due to either language barriers, or to cultural barriers (each culture having its way of expressing), and surely not at all due to wrong intentions, from you or from me.

So, maybe a greater effort on both parts would ensure we understand each other without any bad feeling (I do not understand what you refer to about the dolphins, I love dolphins, have worked with them)

Now, I agree the papers are good and others would benefit from these being translated into many languages.

And no, I cannot know what is going behind the curtain , it is hidden. I cannot expect to know what one does not want to tell (unless I use some psychic abilities I may not have anyhow lol).

[Nine]

Hey Wes,

You are very busy...

I do get that...

the net and the alt net is about a bunch of retards and mutants and sysops of some sort or the other...as it were...

I want to tell you about my name Nine on the net...as it were..

Nine or that name for me is about a bicycle that I could never ever have..

that name is a tale of scarcity....

http://www.ninerbikes.com/

that bicycle company is about cycling and big bicycle wheels and the laws of phisics...as it were...

I could never afford one of them so in the name of scarcity I claimed the name of Nine...

As an earth human I have never known a minute without scarcity at all in my entire short life...

the game is the energy game...

it is just all over the place...

and so the alternitive might turn into the suppressive...as it were..

some say that the time is short..

i would say the time will take as long as we need...

you should give weed to the evangelicals to calm them down...

I mean just take away the jail time and that will be a done deal...as it were...

I mean which party nationaly or state wide or locally is opposed to that dear Weed?

I would say that our dear weed is smarter than they are buy a far measure...

a vote for the weed is a vote fore basic intregrety...as it were...

wait...i should be upon the great reset thread...

wait the threads don't matter only the truth does...



nine

[illuxxina]

shakalakaBOOM wrote on ATS:

posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 06:37 PM
The man calling himself "Supriem David Rockefeller" legally changed his name from Kris Raynes. He was convicted of theft in Williamson County Tennessee. Following his conviction, he changed his name in order to fraudulently claim lineage to the prominent New York family of the same name. His motives appear to have been both social and financial.

Kris Raynes, a high school dropout who was born in Louisiana and grew up in Oklahoma, moved to Crofton, Maryland with his Mother as a young man. While in Maryland he worked at a handful of remedial jobs, such as a cashier in a fast food restaurant. According to some sources, he also made a few failed attempts at professional gambling.

Because of Kris Raynes' failure to achieve self sufficiency, he was forced to relocate with his mother (now remarried and named Barbara Lehman) to 9624 Rhodes Road Bon Aqua, TN- where he was living with his mother until at least late last year. Presumably because of Bon Aqua's proximity to Nashville, Kris gained some exposure to the music industry and decided to try his luck as a rap artist. The publishing details of one of his pieces can be seen here www.ascap.org...,s,w,p,b,v&results_p p=20&start=1

Since Kris hadn't had any luck achieving financial independence he was still living at home with his mother. He was still also meandering from one remedial job to another, since opportunities for him were limited due to the fact that he was a high school dropout. He eventually procured employment as a clerk with Cool Springs Wine and Spirits in Franklin, Tennessee, owned by James "Woody" Woodard. It is here where Kris' legal problems began. Feeling discouraged and desperate because of his abject failure so far in life, Kris began to steal money from his employer. Before long Kris' scheme was discovered and he was fired, at which time he procured employment at another local wine and spirits store. Much to his misfortune, however, the Woodard family had decided to seek criminal charges against him. Kris was arrested and charged with grand theft from Cool Springs Wine and Spirits. More information, including contact information about Cool Springs Wine and Spirits can be found here: www.coolspringswines.com...

It was in the midst of this affair that Kris legally changed his name to Supriem Rockefeller and began to tell people he was the son of David Rockefeller Jr. Many people naturally began to doubt him since he was curiously absent from any Rockefeller biographical material and from any Rockefeller family record all together. It was clear that his plan would need some additional adjustment.

Since the Rockefeller family has a very well documented ancestry, he had to contrive a story which would explain why he was mysteriously absent from all of this thorough biographical documentation. This is a task which he completed in no small measure. In fact, he was even able to dupe gullible conspiracy writers such as Wes Penre. He claimed to be a secret child of the Rockefellers with plans to usher in a one world government. He even claimed to be the Antichrist of biblical prophecy, with ties to ancient secret societies. There were all sorts of fanciful details to the story including everything from extra terrestrial DNA to Mono-atomic chest implants. More on the Supriem Rockefeller/anti-Christ/ Alien ancestry can be found via a simple google search of "supriem rockefeller". Here are some examples:

alliedunion.wordpress.com...

servicetoone.wordpress.com...

www.illuminati-news.com...

www.zoklet.net...

[Megrubbieswet]

Nine this is a long time ago, but I appreciate your posts. They resonate with me, i am 18 and from Australia. Studying naturopathic medicine (naturopathy).
Just letting you know keep staying strong and ive been reading this whole thread all tonight.
<3

[vemaria]

Hi Wes.
I actually found your material when I was searching for hints to the answer about life after death and how to not get trapped. Your material is VAST! I was shocked to find it and enjoyed every word. I haven't completed in the time I have. I've skimmed but intend to go back.
I wonder what you think of https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm Kyle Griffith the War in Heaven?

lol, I should have looked at the posters dates. This thread seems to be old news. :blushing:

[Bluegreen]

Au revoir Wes

The Way Through Is The Way In (my last article?)
12-24-17

www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_3_The_Way_Through_Is-The_Way_In.htm

[findingneo]

Thanks. I had no idea Wes Penre was a member here.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

"The way out is the way in" is interesting to contemplate.

I can understand why some people might want to enter the game through a hole in the fence:

a. thrill seekers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGxZngLecK0)
b. wanting to help someone trapped
c. curiosity
d. education
e. touch the stove to see if it is really hot

Any one or more of these reasons may have worked for me.

It would be very interesting to know if maintaining a strong intention to return to Source, avoiding the light tunnel and looking for a hole in the fence are all needed to exit the trap.

I strongly suspect one can choose to reenter the game once free, perhaps with more wisdom, tools and a better plan.

[onevoice]

Au revoir Wes

The Way Through Is The Way In (my last article?)
12-24-17

Why are you saying good bye to Wes Penre, did something happen to him?

[Bluegreen]

Wes is saying he has no plans in the immediate future to add to his oeuvre

www.wespenre.com
www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_3_The_Way_Through_Is-The_Way_In.htm

[Wes Penre]

I haven't posted anything here on the forum for quite a while, but I thought I'd like to tell you a little bit about the new YouTube videos that my partner, Ariel Glad and I, are currently making. The YouTube address is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0RVai_3hFfJ75juEEcwNog

Ariel and I have researched together for many months now, and we have come to a lot of new insights. One could say that these videos are a logical continuation of the Wes Penre Papers that I posted on my website, http://wespenre.com/ between 2011-2015 and my free e-book, "Synthetic Super Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind -- A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond" (2016).

There will be a lot of more videos posted on the YouTube channel in the near future, but we started out with one of the most important subjects we can think of--a subject that is directly linked to the Anunnaki Invader Force that took over our solar system many millennia ago. I am talking about narcissism.

Narcissism is NOT what we think it is; it is essential for the Anunnaki to be able to anchor us here in this 3D "reality." It is actually a program that they have created and brought down here on us. We are not just talking about arrogant, self-centered people here; it's so much more to it, starting with the Invader Force itself and their dynamics--all the way up to Orion.

Thus far, we have 12 videos posted. I hope you are curious to visit.

The first 4 videos don't have narration, only music and scrolling text, but from Video 5 and on, narration has been added.

Love,
Wes

[Spiral]

Clicking on the link to the youtube channel link gets " This channel does not exist."


[From Hervé: Thanks, fixed :)]

[Jean-Marie]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf0UYNHTnAnW1Yz7C5qSqxbDpi3yIsbLP

See if this link works. This is the one I have been going to.

-jean-marie

[Spiral]

That does indeed work :happythumbsup:

[ThePythonicCow]

I am talking about narcissism.
Perhaps the waning ability of those most narcissistic, those whom I call the elite bastards and their minions, to leach energy from the rest of us, individually, is being supplemented by an increased ability, through mass media, propaganda, surveillance, control, ... to leach energy, en masse?

The soul deadening powers of mass surveillance, manipulation and control of our food, water, medicines, and air, of our words, deeds and thoughts, of our families, schools, communities, and work ... have all increased dramatically with more pervasive, powerful and insidious technology, over the last century.

To misquote Zbigniew Brzezinski:
In early times, it was easier to to control a million avatars, literally it was easier to control a million avatars than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million avatars than to control a million avatars. Brzezinski spoke of persons, typically heard as meaning physical and mental human beings. I changed "persons" to "avatars", our spiritual beings. In this misquote, I am using the phrase "to kill a avatar" to mean to suck it dry ... finis ... darkness. I am using "to control a avatar" to mean to limit it, to keep it confined with a box, in a limited light spectrum, on this planet.

If a farmer, not adept in sustainable agricultural practices, can no longer grow enough food to satisfy his hunger, working his increasingly depleted soil by hand and with his draft animals, then he might adopt the industrial scale farming technology of Monsanto and the like, to squeeze more food out of more acres. The end result might be 1000 barren acres, rather than just 10 barren acres.

Humanity, individually and collectively, is the acreage tilled by the minions for the elite bastards.

If the elite bastards can't get enough energy from individual humans, then they might adopt mass manipulation technology, in order to squeeze more energy out of millions of us, en masse.

===

I have perhaps misunderstood Kurzweil's "Singularity". I thought it referred to a time when the AI was sufficiently "smarter" than humans that we humans became but pawns in a game played by and for the AI.

I figure that such is impossible, because electronic intelligence lacks spirit. I figure that humans are no more at risk of being replaced and subsumed by AI bots than by steam engines, even though those steam engines are a thousand times stronger than any human. That a computer can multiply numbers a thousand, or a billion, times faster than I can does not threaten me, for I am a computer programmer, and have literally controlled "computers" from the days of slide rules, mechanical adding machines, paper tape, and tubes. I dream of what a computer might do, and the computer does my bidding.

However, I now see that humans are being increasingly integrated into an all encompassing technological fabric ... our thoughts, our words, our images, our feelings, our food, water, medicine and air, our cultures, religions and politics, our money (cf Bitcoin and the alt-coins), our childhood, families, schools and work, our birthing and our dying.

Electronic intelligence can play on that same ground as humans ... and is doing so with rapidly increasing skill that will soon far exceed ours.

===

Recently I found myself cheering on the NSA ... delighted that they "knew it all" of the misdeeds and misbehavior of the Clinton Crime Syndicate. Justice at last!

Also recently I found myself cheering on Bitcoin and the cryptocurrencies ... as the base for a new monetary system free from the debt enslavement imposed by central banks such as the Federal Reserve.

===

Thus I find myself cheering some of the chains that would enslave humanity.

===

Something is not right with this picture :).

[Ariel Glad]

I am talking about narcissism.
Perhaps the waning ability of those most narcissistic, those whom I call the elite bastards and their minions, to leach energy from the rest of us, individually, is being supplemented by an increased ability, through mass media, propaganda, surveillance, control, ... to leach energy, en masse?

The soul deadening powers of mass surveillance, manipulation and control of our food, water, medicines, and air, of our words, deeds and thoughts, of our families, schools, communities, and work ... have all increased dramatically with more pervasive, powerful and insidious technology, over the last century.



Hi, Paul

You bring up good points. Their manipulation tactics are definitely on the rise. However, it isn't that their ability is waning, rather that the supply is getting scarce. Their ability is as great as ever and maybe even more so. Yet, they are starving. Narcissists are narcissists. One is not more or less manipulative than another only more or less overt/covert. Narcissists are not only those we see in high positions of power that manipulate the human collective soul group on a massive scale. Those predators are obvious in their attempts to steal energy and more easily avoided (comparatively speaking). The most dangerous, in my opinion, are the ones you don't even see coming. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing. It has been my experience and observation that nearly every soul on the planet is in at least one personal relationship with a full-blown narcissist. When you have this kind of energy drain on a perpetual basis from the majority of the population it is a huge amount of accumulated energy that feeds this system. The problem is that, as individuals, we are less and less able to replenish our own energy. Narcissists are our mothers, fathers, siblings, spouses, friends, bosses, and even our children. The good news is that once we see them we can't unsee them, and we have the choice to take our energy back and keep it where it belongs- within us.

[Valerie Villars]

Great post Ariel. And as ever, I never forget the work of David Hawkins, "Power vs. Force" and Chapter 4 where he goes into specifics of the energy levels of human consciousness and the power, or not, therein.

Higher levels of consciousness are exponentially way more powerful than the lower levels. It doesn't take as many numbers of higher level consciousness, to tip the balance in favor of humanity's rising above it all, as it does for the lower, base consciousness to tip the balance in favor of the negative way.

[ThePythonicCow]

You bring up good points. Their manipulation tactics are definitely on the rise. However, it isn't that their ability is waning, rather that the supply is getting scarce.

Yes, as Valerie Villars observes, great post.

And, yes, it is not their ability that wanes, but the supply.

[Wes Penre]

Great post Ariel. And as ever, I never forget the work of David Hawkins, "Power vs. Force" and Chapter 4 where he goes into specifics of the energy levels of human consciousness and the power, or not, therein.

Higher levels of consciousness are exponentially way more powerful than the lower levels. It doesn't take as many numbers of higher level consciousness, to tip the balance in favor of humanity's rising above it all, as it does for the lower, base consciousness to tip the balance in favor of the negative way.

Hi Valerie! I agree with you about the power of the higher levels or consciousness vs. the lower level, if we use these terms--at least as things stand at this point in human evolution.

However, I see the reason for this being that the lower level (lower chakras) are resistant because, for one, that's where our narcissistic wounds have accumulated, and second, just being here in 3D is a way more dense experience, of course. Some children, who are wounded by abusive parents, go to the "upper levels" as an escape from all the physical and emotional pain from continuous abuse because, at the upper levels it's safer, and so much easier to create what he/she wants. Many of these children bring this ability to dwell in higher densities with them throughout life, and they build an empathic personality. They have an easier time putting themselves in other people's shoes because they can see things from a higher perspective (heart chakra and above).

The soul/mind/body is all three in one, and to become whole again, we need to address our 3D emotional wounds. Thus, we need to come back down into our bodies and stay grounded, in order to regain all the power that we had from the beginning, before we were wounded. We can only do that by being in, and with, our bodies. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't be in the higher levels as well--it's all connected.

This might be slightly off your topic, but I got an opportunity to mention this, at least LOL. I haven't read David Hawkins, btw, so I'll make a note of that. Thanks, Valerie!

Love, Wes

[Valerie Villars]

Wes, that book was sent to me by one of the kindest ladies I have ever met; Deborah Santana, formerly. She is a great lady and a caring one. She sent it to me after the very painful death of my son, when I was searching for answers and meaning.

The book itself has great spiritual light and I believe reading it raises one's consciousness. It depicts in a very real way, how powerful we really are.

She said it changed her life and by her sending it to me, she changed mine. Thanks.

[Theresa]

Fear creates a great deal of excessive power because it can be freely manipulated. Hate, fear, ignorance, all things that can foster a great deal of things. Think of a poltergeist experience or what the paranormal calls residual, left over emotional imprint from a person going through a highly charged emotional crisis. It has no focus it just repeats or becomes something molded by the fear of the people around it. Fear is a conscious choice if you understand that you have alternate choices. Creating fear is the easiest thing to do and controls entire societies. There are books written about this and we are in the midst of a repetition of great devastation guided by those books. Throw away as much fear as you can and I think you will find your life becoming open to so much and within your comfort zones and with a buffer of protection for clearer thinking.

My daughter and I stumbled up this by accident. My granddaughter is like her mother and I except she has night terrors. She has always had night terrors they would last for a good hour or more every night. I was lucky enough to have a moment with her mother that we shared in deep meditation and it clicked that we could buffer her from all of this garbage she is not ready to understand. There is a lot of garbage out there and as a child there is no understanding the difference. With a little practice I can soothe her immediately with touch. She will have to sleep with me for awhile at night or nearby. My daughter and I both realized after a bit of time that it is not just people but animals that like to be near as well, not just our pets. I have silly names for things, I am teaching a 4 year old so I call it the love bubble, I wont take offence to the laughter. Before we figured it out we had issues with things moving, disappearing, Elliot was constantly pointing out the "shadowy people" and her terrors. None of the above happen anymore. Love, trust and faith in each other. People do not touch each other in friendship, they guard their emotions, they think they are victims of emotional roller coasters. We aren't victims we are the masters of ourselves.

Fear is a lower level consciousnesses. Love is higher. So that is my practical experience with higher and lower. Tested, tried, and success. Every piece of validation is one more step closer to change.