Extremely important petition - please help!!!

[Asteria]

Hi members,

I have just joined and thought that I would ease my way in gently, getting to know you all you and reading your threads with interest, then post a thread of my own

However, it has just come to my attention that there is something absolutely horrific trying to happen in my home country

I am literally shaking, my heart is pounding and I swear I will do everything in my power to stop this from happening! I cant believe how disgusting my government has behaved, how blatant, how cold, how malignant! It has really upset me to the point that I am crying while I am posting this

Since reading this a half hour ago, I have done the following

Signed the petition, joined the campaign
Emailed those I know asking them to sign the petition and also asking them to post it on their facebook page (I dont have fb)
Away to find all of my MPs so I can write to them about it, demanding that they take a stand against this
I will speak to everyone I meet from here on in to tell them about it and make sure they know they can sign a petition/join the campaign. I will speak to everyone at bus stops, in shop queues, in the hairdressers, at my chidlrens nursery - EVERYWHERE

Please read the following then please please please everyone sign this petition/join the campaign. Im not sure what the rules are about people from other countries joining or signing but do it if you can

I beg of you; do not let my government do this to our future children, the parents, family life - the state is not the mother, father, guardian of our children!

Thank you and I am sorry for being so forceful and thank you for everything/anything you can do to help

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...#comments-area

THE welfare of unborn children will come under scrutiny as part of the Scottish Government’s proposals for a named person for every child in the country.

Guidance on the implementation of the legislation, which was published last week, states that the named person could be involved with families and setting up “planning and support” during the last trimester of pregnancy. The legislation, which is due to come into effect in 2016, covers children from the day they are born up until the age of 18.

But the guidance suggests that the named person, chosen by the state, would become involved at an earlier stage – a move that is likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of state interference in family life.

The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 will see every Scottish child allocated a named person, usually a health worker up to the age of five, followed by a teacher.

The named person for each child would be identified about seven months into the pregnancy. Pregnant mothers will then be offered an opportunity to meet with their baby’s named person and a midwife, which the official guidance suggests should take place in the family home.

The disclosure that the scope of the proposals includes unborn babies comes as more details are emerging about how the legislation will work in practice.

The guidance states: “Where additional wellbeing needs are anticipated at birth the prospective Named Person should be involved in planning and providing supports to eliminate, reduce or mitigate risks to wellbeing.”

This would have to be done on a “non-statutory basis” because unborn children are not covered by the Act.

But the named person would play a “lead role” in drawing up ante-natal support when the anticipated needs of the new-born baby are not generally available from routine services, the guidance states.

As concerns grow about the impact of the legislation, teachers yesterday voiced concerns that they will struggle to fulfil the role of named person because of already stretched workloads, and the prospect of recriminations if a major abuse is uncovered where they are the named person.

Liz Hunter, professional officer with the Scottish Secondary Teachers’ Association (SSTA) said: “Our concerns with it would be the time it would take the teachers to compile the work to support the child properly. It would be the time for task.

“The named person would be the co-ordinator for the children’s plan. In that plan they would have to speak to the parents, they would have to speak to the child, they have to speak to, if they had one, a social worker or a healthcare professional or an educational psychologist or a speech and language therapist.”

Under the guidelines, children who may have behavioural problems may require a risk assessment.

There are also concerns among teachers about the prospect of repercussions if faced with a case of child abuse.

The SSTA is currently “polling” opinion among this issue for a Scottish Government consultation in March.

“There are a lot of concerns among teachers for that,” Ms Hunter said. “They need to be trained in it and they need to know the legislation behind it and what basically is going to happen to them if they cannot fulfil that duty due to something happening within that school.”

It remains unclear if teachers will be able to “opt out” of the role if they find the workload too heavy, but this will be an issue raised in the forthcoming consultation with the government. The Educational Institute for Scotland (EIS) agrees with the principle of a named person to provide a single contact point as a means to enhance children’s access to services and support. But a spokesman said: “We are also very clear that this will have significant implications in cases where a school is expected to be the provider of the named person.



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Here is the petition link

https://www.change.org/p/members-of-the-scottish-parliament-reject-girfec-surveillance-and-named-person-for-every-child-in-scotland


Here is further info

http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-ed-in-the-news/no-2-named-person-conference-the-family-fights-back

Here is the campaign link

http://no2np.org/


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Thank you!!!!

[Asteria]

Really? No replies?

I dont want to force anyones hand here; opinions are subjective to their own reality. But, this kind of legislation is taking away from the family unit. Its creating a fear based society and also dislodging children from their parents.

I have come from a severely abusive family and even then I do not want this legislation to take over - just because my parents were abusive and maybe I would have benefited from intervention, doesnt mean I want some sort of government parent control to take over with my children on the only premise that they are children and there are abusive parents out there. You fail the children who are actually abused doesnt mean you answer that problem by claiming ALL children.

Thank you

[Gemma13]

Thank you for this important information. I propose that initial prototypes for this form of observation and ultimate control of our incarnating future generations started under the guise of charitable organizations. Several years ago my ex-sister-in-law chose to accept funding for my four nephews education via such a charitable organization and when I researched the criteria I discovered that the chosen family providing the funding were allowed exclusive rights of access to visit/communicate/attend school ceremonies, home, etc in order to monitor and provide support toward each child's "progress".

My eldest nephew, (who was awarded one of the highest ATAR scores in the State in his Secondary School Graduation year), recently applied for a semester deferment to spend time with his grandparents whilst supporting himself by working at their local hardware store, so that he could take a short breather from his studies, only to be refused due to a "technicality" in his university unit completions. The charitable "family" providing the funding are of course paying for his education along with his on-campus accommodation in the city as his family lives over 100km away. My second eldest nephew has also just completed his Secondary education with flying colors but was refused an opportunity and application to relocate to a University in another State, therefore having to remain local to his "benefactors".

I believe it would not be unreasonable to assume that this proposed Bill is being rolled out as a prototype and if successful will have a domino effect. The severity of this form of control over our future incarnations and its "ulterior" purpose would not be hard to deduce from researchers and members on this forum with their current levels of awareness; for many are aware of the predispositions our current and future youth have for creating and implementing dramatic changes to our cultural/societal foundations due to the anchoring of "energetics" that have, and are, being consistently sustained. And although this proposal has the "shop front" appearance of being altruistic in nature there are other ways to provide support to families without them being seduced into signing over their children's life trajectory, or be forced to sign over their children through legislation.

I applaud you for your passionate resistance and thank you once again for sharing this valuable information.

Gemma13

[jackovesk]

Hi members,

I have just joined and thought that I would ease my way in gently, getting to know you all you and reading your threads with interest, then post a thread of my own

However, it has just come to my attention that there is something absolutely horrific trying to happen in my home country

I am literally shaking, my heart is pounding and I swear I will do everything in my power to stop this from happening! I cant believe how disgusting my government has behaved, how blatant, how cold, how malignant! It has really upset me to the point that I am crying while I am posting this

Since reading this a half hour ago, I have done the following

Signed the petition, joined the campaign
Emailed those I know asking them to sign the petition and also asking them to post it on their facebook page (I dont have fb)
Away to find all of my MPs so I can write to them about it, demanding that they take a stand against this
I will speak to everyone I meet from here on in to tell them about it and make sure they know they can sign a petition/join the campaign. I will speak to everyone at bus stops, in shop queues, in the hairdressers, at my chidlrens nursery - EVERYWHERE

Please read the following then please please please everyone sign this petition/join the campaign. Im not sure what the rules are about people from other countries joining or signing but do it if you can

I beg of you; do not let my government do this to our future children, the parents, family life - the state is not the mother, father, guardian of our children!

Thank you and I am sorry for being so forceful and thank you for everything/anything you can do to help

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...#comments-area

THE welfare of unborn children will come under scrutiny as part of the Scottish Government’s proposals for a named person for every child in the country.

Guidance on the implementation of the legislation, which was published last week, states that the named person could be involved with families and setting up “planning and support” during the last trimester of pregnancy. The legislation, which is due to come into effect in 2016, covers children from the day they are born up until the age of 18.

But the guidance suggests that the named person, chosen by the state, would become involved at an earlier stage – a move that is likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of state interference in family life.

The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 will see every Scottish child allocated a named person, usually a health worker up to the age of five, followed by a teacher.

The named person for each child would be identified about seven months into the pregnancy. Pregnant mothers will then be offered an opportunity to meet with their baby’s named person and a midwife, which the official guidance suggests should take place in the family home.

The disclosure that the scope of the proposals includes unborn babies comes as more details are emerging about how the legislation will work in practice.

The guidance states: “Where additional wellbeing needs are anticipated at birth the prospective Named Person should be involved in planning and providing supports to eliminate, reduce or mitigate risks to wellbeing.”

This would have to be done on a “non-statutory basis” because unborn children are not covered by the Act.

But the named person would play a “lead role” in drawing up ante-natal support when the anticipated needs of the new-born baby are not generally available from routine services, the guidance states.

As concerns grow about the impact of the legislation, teachers yesterday voiced concerns that they will struggle to fulfil the role of named person because of already stretched workloads, and the prospect of recriminations if a major abuse is uncovered where they are the named person.

Liz Hunter, professional officer with the Scottish Secondary Teachers’ Association (SSTA) said: “Our concerns with it would be the time it would take the teachers to compile the work to support the child properly. It would be the time for task.

“The named person would be the co-ordinator for the children’s plan. In that plan they would have to speak to the parents, they would have to speak to the child, they have to speak to, if they had one, a social worker or a healthcare professional or an educational psychologist or a speech and language therapist.”

Under the guidelines, children who may have behavioural problems may require a risk assessment.

There are also concerns among teachers about the prospect of repercussions if faced with a case of child abuse.

The SSTA is currently “polling” opinion among this issue for a Scottish Government consultation in March.

“There are a lot of concerns among teachers for that,” Ms Hunter said. “They need to be trained in it and they need to know the legislation behind it and what basically is going to happen to them if they cannot fulfil that duty due to something happening within that school.”

It remains unclear if teachers will be able to “opt out” of the role if they find the workload too heavy, but this will be an issue raised in the forthcoming consultation with the government. The Educational Institute for Scotland (EIS) agrees with the principle of a named person to provide a single contact point as a means to enhance children’s access to services and support. But a spokesman said: “We are also very clear that this will have significant implications in cases where a school is expected to be the provider of the named person.



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Here is the petition link

https://www.change.org/p/members-of-the-scottish-parliament-reject-girfec-surveillance-and-named-person-for-every-child-in-scotland


Here is further info

http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-ed-in-the-news/no-2-named-person-conference-the-family-fights-back

Here is the campaign link

http://no2np.org/


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Thank you!!!!

Without reading into this, it's just ((NOT GOING TO HAPPEN))...:nono:

[rgray222]

A couple of things here, signing the petition, emailing and joining the campaign are necessary if you want to affect change but look at the broader issue of why a government or groups would want to do this, then pull the curtain back to expose the truth from your point of view.

Also giving a thread a title like extremely important petition - please help, does not tell me anything except you want me to do something which I may or may not want to do. Consider putting the subject in the thread title without telling us the economy is going to collapse or the world is coming to an end. I think you will find more people will read your thread and you will ultimately get more responses. Make the title is a bit provocative without being over the top. Not trying to be critical just trying to give you some honest advice. Otherwise.........welcome to Avalon

Just as an fyi, government have been trying to do this for a very long time. When you hear that phrase............"it takes a village to raise a child," what government officials are really saying is, it takes a government to raise a child.

About 4 years ago a senior government official in the Obama administration said on television that Parents don't own children the Government does. There was a quick uproar before the media squashed the story and all remnants of it were removed from the internet. I don't think anything will happen in the immediate future but your right to raise the alarm and generate discussion on this topic. All big government supporters believe in this type behavior.

[onawah]

Be patient, Asteria. The forum is not very active right now, but there is time...

[yelik]

Signed the Petition

[jackovesk]

Post-Update...

I might not of made myself clear...:noidea:


Guidance on the implementation of the legislation, which was published last week, states that the named person could be involved with families and setting up “planning and support” during the last trimester of pregnancy. The legislation, which is due to come into effect in 2016, covers children from the day they are born up until the age of 18.

But the guidance suggests that the named person, chosen by the state, would become involved at an earlier stage – a move that is likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of state interference in family life.

The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 will see every Scottish child allocated a named person, usually a health worker up to the age of five, followed by a teacher.

The named person for each child would be identified about seven months into the pregnancy. Pregnant mothers will then be offered an opportunity to meet with their baby’s named person and a midwife, which the official guidance suggests should take place in the family home.

The disclosure that the scope of the proposals includes unborn babies comes as more details are emerging about how the legislation will work in practice.

Who the ((FK)) dreamt up such ((EVIL)) legislation...:crazy:


I honestly have trouble believing this is real...:confused:

More to the point ((HOW IN HELL)) did the Scottish people ever let it get to this stage in the 1st place...:confused:

I'm sorry, but if the ((Scottish people are going to behave like DOORMATS)) that's exactly how their Govt. will treat them...:yes4:


...perhaps their offspring 'Do Need' extra care...:yes4:


PS - and I'm being kind...!!!

[Asteria]

A couple of things here, signing the petition, emailing and joining the campaign are necessary if you want to affect change but look at the broader issue of why a government or groups would want to do this, then pull the curtain back to expose the truth from your point of view.

Also giving a thread a title like extremely important petition - please help, does not tell me anything except you want me to do something which I may or may not want to do. Consider putting the subject in the thread title without telling us the economy is going to collapse or the world is coming to an end. I think you will find more people will read your thread and you will ultimately get more responses. Make the title is a bit provocative without being over the top. Not trying to be critical just trying to give you some honest advice. Otherwise.........welcome to Avalon

Just as an fyi, government have been trying to do this for a very long time. When you hear that phrase............"it takes a village to raise a child," what government officials are really saying is, it takes a government to raise a child.

About 4 years ago a senior government official in the Obama administration said on television that Parents don't own children the Government does. There was a quick uproar before the media squashed the story and all remnants of it were removed from the internet. I don't think anything will happen in the immediate future but your right to raise the alarm and generate discussion on this topic. All big government supporters believe in this type behavior.

Hi rgray222

I agree; my thread title is not the best and it is entirely up to everyone if they find this to be of importance to them. In hindsight, what I should have done is allow the new information to absorb and process within me, and then write a more reasoned/level thread for all to consider with a title that includes a reasoned (not emotively blackmailing) subject title

If a mod/admin could change my title please? Perhaps - Scottish Government appoints Guardians? Or something?

I didnt mean to cause any offence. I was caught up in how this has just slipped through without any mention of it anywhere.

I appreciate your construction criticism :)

Edit: as for exposing from my point of truth - I thought that I had done that but if not then I believe this should not be allowed because parents become just procreation tools and that is it. The parental unit/family unit has been eroded for a long time but this is a complete blatant law to remove us from our children upbringing. Should a parent say "no" then all it takes is for a 'guardian' to say 'yes' and if you argue against this then (supposedly) this guardian can bring in the law and effectively charge you with x and stick you in jail or put your kids in care.

Furthermore, how are these guardians any more trustworthy than parents.

Also, while I can admit to not readings newspapers or watching news - I am shocked how quiet this has been and those who I have spoken to today about it also had never heard of this happening.

While I am not forcing anyone to do anything about it, and apologise if I came across that way, I would like any advice surrounding how I might be able to make more of an impact in stopping this - more than signing a petition or joining a campaign.

Im not as seasoned as some but my heart wants to be and not everything will be apparent (behind the scenes etc) but Im here to learn from those who do know and can help to educate me on what I can do etc.

Everyone starts somewhere but again, I meant no offence with my forced thread.

[Asteria]

Hi everyone

Thank you for replying and giving your views. I have received two emails from two MPs and both expressed their concerns with this happening.

One even said that it is his understanding that this is now law and will be implemented in 2016.

So is that it? Is there no way we can get it reversed or stop it before implementation?

Any advice or suggestions?

Thank you for your support

[Asteria]

Post-Update...

I might not of made myself clear...:noidea:


Guidance on the implementation of the legislation, which was published last week, states that the named person could be involved with families and setting up “planning and support” during the last trimester of pregnancy. The legislation, which is due to come into effect in 2016, covers children from the day they are born up until the age of 18.

But the guidance suggests that the named person, chosen by the state, would become involved at an earlier stage – a move that is likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of state interference in family life.

The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 will see every Scottish child allocated a named person, usually a health worker up to the age of five, followed by a teacher.

The named person for each child would be identified about seven months into the pregnancy. Pregnant mothers will then be offered an opportunity to meet with their baby’s named person and a midwife, which the official guidance suggests should take place in the family home.

The disclosure that the scope of the proposals includes unborn babies comes as more details are emerging about how the legislation will work in practice.

Who the ((FK)) dreamt up such ((EVIL)) legislation...:crazy:


I honestly have trouble believing this is real...:confused:

More to the point ((HOW IN HELL)) did the Scottish people ever let it get to this stage in the 1st place...:confused:

I'm sorry, but if the ((Scottish people are going to behave like DOORMATS)) that's exactly how their Govt. will treat them...:yes4:


...perhaps their offspring 'Do Need' extra care...:yes4:


PS - and I'm being kind...!!!

Exactly...not one person I have spoken to has heard about this. Such a huge thing like this, and so quiet

Even more worryingly is that I have emailed people I know and I havent received one email (stating agree/disagree) yet :(

Im really concerned about the level of apathy I am now open to seeing

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Thank you, but are we too late? :(

[Asteria]

Thank you, yeh patience isnt a strong point but its one of the many things I am working on within myself lol :)

Im concerned that maybe Im too late with seeing this one...I am still quite upset about this situation that seems to be happening with or without consent

[Flash]

Just as an fyi, government have been trying to do this for a very long time. When you hear that phrase............"it takes a village to raise a child," what government officials are really saying is, it takes a government to raise a child.

About 4 years ago a senior government official in the Obama administration said on television that Parents don't own children the Government does. There was a quick uproar before the media squashed the story and all remnants of it were removed from the internet. I don't think anything will happen in the immediate future but your right to raise the alarm and generate discussion on this topic. All big government supporters believe in this type behavior.

Yes there was an uproar, but boy wasn't that government official in fact right. It is moslty already implemented through schools and government sponsored day cares (in Canada). However, I had not seen it going as far as this proposal in Scotland. Incredible - wow.

Maybe Scotland should have voted yes for separation after all?? In order not to have the Scott be caught into experimenting first hand the new regimes.

[betoobig]

I signed the petition.... Is this thing only in scotland? So strange... TPUTB allready made possible to have our children at the age of 3, and most of the children don't see their parents in the whole day... In most of the cases gov. Is allready acting as parents .... Is this the next step? I am with you, this can't happend.
Wellcome to the forum.
Love

[Snowflower]

This insane act is really saying that parents cannot be responsible for their children, so each child must have a government goon to "protect" the child from poor parental choices or abuse. Because the first priority of any govt agency is to justify and perpetuate its own existence, therefore, such an agency MUST discover a full quiver of poor choices and/or abuse that will need govt interference to rectify. If the Scottish people do not stand in solidarity against their govt, they will find themselves swimming in sewage before long.

[Nasu]

Thanks for posting this, it is shocking, to say the least. Poor Scotland, this is one of the prices of living under the crown, no real say in their own governance. England seems to have gone Orwellian crazy over the past fifteen to twenty years, on so many fronts I lost count. Like so many other laws or edicts created over these past few years, this one too seems to confirm the belief that the crown fears it's subjects, thus must control every facet of their existence... Is it time for a change yet?... N

[Asteria]

22 January 2015
Legal challenge against 'named person' plans dismissed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30935806

11 February 2015
Campaigners to appeal 'named person' judgement


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-31428744

Only one friend got back in touch with me about this - how very sad

I have contacted the campaign against this again tonight - saying while I appreciate that they will be very busy, please contact me with ways that I can help join the fight against this.

I am doing what I can, and will continue to do as much as I can.

If you agree, then please can you share the links with others you know who would be happy to spread the word and the information. Anything that gets people talking about it - its the silence and shutting down thats unnerving me.

And to the member who said about orwellian - my god, yes! Its a horrible, dark country but there are good people left..they need to know about these things as I have the faith in trust that they will act if they know about it

Thank you so much

Asteria

[Jayren]

Not only signed it but I shared it to my Facebook as well. Just for someone to read it and have that information there are not going to think its right for a government to do that at all, well anyone with a heart wouldn't they would then be aware about there own governments as well. We should share this information to stop future attacks like this.

[Asteria]

Thank you to all who are supporting me (and everyone else who stands against this, as I am starting to discover - thankfully) and also to those who may not agree but read and consider it.

Again, I would like to apologise for my initial post - it was hasty, emotive and highly charged - but I do hope everyone who reads this understands I was just reeling with just finding this out and in a panic as to what to do..I have (relatively) calmed down and am formulating my plan to fight. Thats not to say that I am not emotional about this, but it is to say that I have learned something and will try and keep my emotions in check (well, to a certain degree) when moving forward. Its hard not to be emotional when it involves your children and their futures.

First of all, I have done the following;

I have emailed people I know with the links I gained on the first day I found out. These emails were also highly charged and without thought. So, there was only one reply and that was "Ill take a look as there is alot to read" (no response after).

So, I will get back to these people when I have rehashed my plan.

I have emailed my local councillors. I have got 2 replies out of the 3 from my area - both saying they are concerned (one saying it is out of his political power but on a personal level, he will take a week to really look at my links and get back to me. The second said he was concerned about the law with only regards to the economics of implimenting a universal law. The latter said it is his understanding that it is law)
The first Councillor (Local MP) forwarded my email on to the Westminster MP, I have yet to hear back from him.
The second forwarded my email onto an unknown woman who will be apparently in charge of implementing the law within this city next year. I have yet to hear back from her

I have contacted the No campaign a few times expressing my wish to help in any way that I can and in any way that they see as best.

I have contacted another campaigning establishment (for home education) who replied to me today saying quite a lot of eye opening things, who quite clearly understands the full implications of this and who forwarded my details onto their campaign colleagues (No campaign) asking them to add me to their mailing list.
She said that I have permission to include her email wherever I see fit (but not verbatim because she said it was a quick reply email lol) and also the links she gave me which argues against every so called 'good governmental reason to have a guardian by law'

I will include it below

I am now in the process of reading everything that I can (I have to get cracking with this part as I only learned about this 3 days ago - amazing how quiet all this has been) and once fully confident, I will then move on to the next stage of my plan - go far and wide online, offline and write to every paper I can find. I dont have facebook, but I will create a page (once I figure this part out) and ask people to add me, this will be with the objective links, the government 'fors' and the no campaign 'againsts' plus my own understandings as a mother. I have also asked the kids' dad to post it on his fb page - he posted the links and only 3 people liked it, he doesnt know if anyone signed it.

I really feel this will be a challenge to get through this apathy - but Im willing to try :) Even if I can engage others for a discussion, I will be happy.

I would appreciate any other suggestions or support. People are not dumb, but they have been dumbed down.

Thank you Asteria

Email below


Hi again (Asteria)

I’d rather you didn’t copy the email verbatim as it was rattled off quite quickly! I have asked Michael from the NO2NP campaign to ensure you are on the mailing list.

For Schoolhouse’s position on GIIRFEC and the rest, please feel free to post links to the presentations I have delivered as part of the NO2NP campaign. They cover all the counter arguments made by the vested interests who stand to gain from the scheme. Many parents have believed the cover story and need to hear the facts, for which we have the evidence.

Inverness - http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-ed-in-the-news/no2np-roadshow-visits-inverness
Montrose - http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-ed-in-the-news/montrose-no2np-roadshow

This link will take you to all the relevant campaign articles we have written - http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/category/law-and-policy

I am a bit behind with website updates as so much has been happening and I have been away for a few days so am trying to catch up.

I’m glad you feel motivated to take action as the more people who spread the word about this the better. It is not a party political issue as they are all equally culpable!

All the best

Alison




From: (Asteria)
Sent: 17 February 2015 16:28
To: Schoolhouse HEA
Subject: Re: Contact from Schoolhouse Website

Hi Alison,
Thank you for the speedy reply. As you can imagine, I am growing increasingly disturbed and my cogs are going into overdrive, figuring out how best to serve the cause. I will follow everything you have included, thanks for getting in touch with no campaign on my behalf.
If I have your permission, can I copy this email onto various forums etc. I want to ask as I respect your confidential and honest reply but if it would only serve to hinder the cause, not help, then can you send me something more appropriate? I intend to dedicate all off my free time to getting the word out and letting people know this is happening. I have been a bit of a keyboard warrior in my past so I plan on using this skill for fighting against this (non aggressively)
Plus, I have had prior contact with my MSP before when I was engaged in a "battle" with our local council, so I have no problem doing so again

Thank you
(Asteria)
Schoolhouse HEA <info@schoolhouse.org.uk> wrote:

Hi (Asteria)
Thank you for getting in touch and for doing so much to raise awareness of the campaign.

I will ask NO2NP to add you to the mailing list and you can meanwhile find their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/No2NP

We have been watching the GIRFEC, SHANARRI, data stealing developments leading up to this legislation for more than a decade, but politicians and journalists just ignored the warnings. It was particularly difficult to watch every single MSP nod through such an illiberal piece of legislation and fail to understand exactly what it was about (either that or they were complicit ).

The government has told a pack of lies about GIRFEC, and the big (state funded) children’s charities have unsurprisingly backed it as they stand to gain from the scheme. Parents did not ask for GIRFEC in Highland – it was imposed on them - and it was also implemented selectively and not universally in order to skew the alleged evidence. It has nothing to do with child protection, which was what everyone has been told in order to keep the true agenda hidden.

Our petition was a last ditch attempt to flag the problem up with parents. It is obviously not an exclusively home education issue, but we are often first in the firing line for being different. Our members have already been harmed by the inappropriate actions of Named Persons, including referrals to social work, and the intrusive data gathering and sharing without consent effectively renders GIRFEC the new Paedophile Information Exchange.

You’ll find all the background on our website and some useful links in the petition updates. I have done two presentations at the NO2NP roadshows in Inverness and Montrose outlining the background and suggested tactics, which you may find of interest (they are both reproduced on the Schoolhouse website). The Home Ed Forums is also actively supporting the campaign and you’d be welcome to join in there. See http://www.home-education.biz/forum/scotland/

Thanks again for being so proactive. Parents have been deliberately kept in the dark by the government, council, MSPs, NHS and other tate funded organisations about the unsavoury plans they have for every child in Scotland. It is nothing short of a national scandal.

By the way, it should be your Holyrood MSP who answers to you over this, not a Westminster MP because this debacle is wholly the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament. Our Westminster election candidates should, however, be prepared to tell us why their party colleagues in Scotland chose to vote through legislation that completely undermines families.

Best regards

Alison


***Please consider supporting our petition***

Alison Preuss, Co-ordinator & Press Officer
Schoolhouse Home Education Association
Room 10, 1 Victoria Road, Dundee DD1 1EL

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2 days ago I learned about this guardian law and I am deeply disgusted by it. I feel distraught helpless and violated, how dare the government do this. I have never felt like this before and have tried my best to let other people know, asking them to get in touch with no campaign, sign petition on change.org and post it on their fb.
The level of apathy people have, silence, not even open to discussion shows how insidious this law is and how undiscerning people may have become…it’s got to the point where people are happy to have complete government intervention. What is going on?!
I want to help stop this and ask you to let me help you in anyway you feel is best.
I wrote to my local councillors…2 have replied, both passing me on to a Westminster MP and a council woman who will be implementing it next year- neither have been in touch yet. Both councillors said they appreciate my concerns but the law will happen.
I am very concerned, and will do everything in my power to stop it. But I don’t know what else do.
I contacted the no campaign twice but have yet to hear back from them, I’ve posted on forums asking for international help with signing petition. And apart from that, all I can do is refuse the law peacefully when they try to intrude and take over from my parental duties next year. I didn’t consent to this, I didn’t know it was happening, I wasn’t asked, nor have I asked for help. No one gets near my children unless I say it’s ok, no one is being a permanent fixture in my children’s life by way of a guardian unless I say it’s ok and no government will overtake mine or their fathers parenting for as long as we have breath in our body, and we are disgusted that the government has blatantly said they don’t trust ANY parent to have faculties to do a good job raising their children, knowing what services to use (when needed), and not needing a law to place perm government intrusion into family life!
If it is passed as law after the appeals, I will fight this my entire life and will be ready to go up against the law if they try and force this onto us..I am prepared to go to jail (peacefully) if it came to that.
Furthermore, who says these named people are any more trustworthy than the parents? The potential (certain to happen, as look at the history of abuse of powers) for abuse of powers is mind boggling. This is insane that I even have to state the obvious and people around me are that brainwashed they don’t see a problem…”they just want to do best by us, interference will be minimal”….what?! When has any government done anything that even remotely promoted independent family life, helped build up family life, protected poor and vulnerable? Another divide and conquer
Please,let me help you. I want to protect my kids.

Thank you and kind regards,

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Not only signed it but I shared it to my Facebook as well. Just for someone to read it and have that information there are not going to think its right for a government to do that at all, well anyone with a heart wouldn't they would then be aware about there own governments as well. We should share this information to stop future attacks like this.

Thank you so much Jayren - yes even just letting people know I think is crucial because as far as I have gauged in the last few days, no one knows about this, fully understands and not many people understand the implications.

[onawah]

I signed the petition and shared it on Facebook as well.
We don't have to be Scottish to be concerned about this and to see where it leads.
Large movements start with small actions.
As more people awaken, the small actions will add up more and more.

[Asteria]

Hi Folks,

Thank you again - wherever you are. Sorry if I am double posting, I am losing track where I am sending info - main thing is, I am sending it around :)

Hope you are all well

Here is some more info Please find below some additional information. The lady I have been in contact with, whose (Home-ed) Charity supports No Campaign, sent me these links.

http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-e...sits-inverness

NO2NP roadshow visits Inverness

4th October 2014 | Events & Activities | Home Ed in the News | Law & Policy | Media | Schoolhouse
Schoolhouse was pleased to take part in the NO2NP Inverness roadshow on 1st October, which attracted a lively audience concerned about the implications of the Children and Young People Act for every family in Scotland.

The event was filmed and we will add a link as soon as the video is available [now available here]. Meanwhile, here is a transcript of the Schoolhouse co-ordinator’s presentation with links for reference.


Schoolhouse presentation, Inverness NO2NP roadshow

Home educators tend to have highly sensitive ‘early identification’ antennae to detect threats to our existence because we are a bit of a misunderstood and misrepresented minority. We’ve been variously accused of subjecting our children to neglect or abuse, domestic servitude, forced marriage and religious fundamentalism and have had quite a few Mel Gibson moments as the state has repeatedly tried to encroach on our freedom to educate our children ‘by other means’. From a purely self-preservation point of view, we have been actively opposing the universal data gathering behind what was to become the Named Person scheme since the CHYP Bill was still just a twinkle in the present government’s eye.

But we are just one among many square peg minorities who don’t fit the round holes prepared for us by the state for dispensing its ‘wellbeing’ prescriptions. I expect several here tonight are also ‘square pegs’ who are being regularly hammered into unnatural shapes by ‘services’ for reasons of disability, chronic illness, cultural difference, or even just for making independent parenting choices.

Having said that, I am probably the saddest square peg here tonight (perhaps with the exception of my colleague Sheila) on two counts:

Firstly, we have been at this for such a long time, since about 2001 when home educators were tipped off (by a teacher, ironically) to the systematic data collection that was going on. Once we started digging, we just couldn’t stop, realising that children’s rights to privacy were being routinely breached and information was also being gathered about every associated adult without their knowledge (all in the run up to the planned introduction of ID cards). Action on Rights for Children (ARCH) was founded by a small group of us to focus on children’s rights in education as nobody else was bothering to uphold the UNCRC as a whole, just picking and mixing the Articles to suit an adult orchestrated agenda. We quickly became a thorn in the government’s side, producing well researched evidence of the illegal databasing of children across the UK and delivering a Big Brother Award on behalf of Privacy International to Margaret Hodge, the then UK children’s minister. It is still the case that children’s rights are being selectively applied and ‘children’s rights champions’ are doing pretty good impressions of chocolate fireguards. Playing the ‘children’s rights’ card as an excuse to intrude into their lives, database their families’ sensitive personal information and force them into doing something against their will, where they are not ‘at risk of significant harm’, perverts the whole purpose of the UNCRC which is supposed to prevent such abuse of minors. A right is not a right if you don’t have the right to refuse, like forcing a Named Person on every child without opt out.

Secondly in the sadness stakes, we failed to wake up the population in time (or even the politicians who screamed blue murder about ID cards) to the creeping surveillance agenda, but it’s not for the want of trying. Politicians have no excuse, but people just didn’t believe it was happening, or could happen, or even that it had already happened in Scotland, with only a judicial review between us and the loss of family autonomy.

For the record, we are the lab rats for Tony Blair’s New Labour social engineering project known as ‘early intervention’, which was allegedly designed to identify the delinquents of tomorrow and ‘remediate’ them, but has effectively consigned most parents and children to the ‘criminals in waiting’ class. Tony Benn famously described it as “the sort of thing Hitler talked about”, and as we have heard on earlier roadshows from Dr Jenny Cunningham, there is no evidence to support the premise that early intervention makes an iota of difference and can in fact damage children and families. It does, however, allow service providers new and exciting publicly funded opportunities to perform subjective ‘parental capacity to provide wellbeing’ assessments at every stage of every child’s life from the womb onwards. It’s also an open invitation for IT companies to flog ever more sophisticated surveillance software to database and ‘profile’ the population. Big data is worth big bucks to the economy.

GIRFEC (Getting Information Recorded For Every Citizen) is actually the evil Scottish twin of England’s ECM (Every Citizen Monitored), and the Named Person scheme is the equivalent of England’s Contact Point which had become known as ‘the paedophiles’ address book’ before it was scrapped. Both schemes involve the routine gathering and sharing of children and associated adults’ personal data on a universal basis without consent, i.e. data rape (a term cited in a Westminster parliamentary motion condemning the database state). Both schemes use illegally obtained data to profile citizens and force interventions based on a bunch of so-called risk indicators. In Scotland these are known by the acronym SHANARRI and have gained cult status among professionals who have been missold GIRFEC as a child protection scheme. Their heads must all button up the back.

As a real child protection expert, Eileen Munro, famously asked “How does making the haystack bigger help identify the most vulnerable children?” State snoopers covertly recording every child’s pet bereavements, lunch box contents, pocket money rates and mummy and daddy’s failure to buy the latest trainers isn’t exactly going to help the children who are already known to be at risk of something far worse than missing out on their five a day. Professional social workers (like Maggie Mellon and Hilary Searing) agree, and it’s social workers who could improve outcomes for children at serious risk if there were more of them on the ground with adequate support and resources. Lowering the child protection threshold from ‘at risk of significant harm’ to ‘at risk of not meeting state dictated wellbeing outcomes’ based on a risk assessment framework that includes being under 5, an only child, having a disabled parent or one who is ‘non engaging’ is a recipe for disaster. In fact it was a complete disaster in the Isle of Man which had to scrap a similar scheme when children’s services melted down due to over-referral.

GIRFEC may have been ‘piloted’ here in Highland, but it’s not a Scottish idea. It’s part of the same outcomes based policy that is being pursued relentlessly throughout the EU and relies heavily on accumulating every bit of data about every one of us to allow the government to cross reference information and control the citizenry through proactive ‘nudging’ and intervention. E-profiling is now a reality and pity help you if you don’t build your four capacities according to the state’s good citizen template, for which you need to show you are a successful learner, confident individual, responsible citizen and effective contributor. There are of course set marking guidelines in the form of tick box assessments to measure your performance in each. As the proverbial square peg, I know I don’t score highly according to their round hole criteria, but by my own lights I reckon I’m doing just fine without interference!

To put the dangers of e-profiling into context, let me quote from a 2010 research paper by Ian Dent of the University of Cambridge entitled ‘Beyond Broadband: the true cost of digital Britain’. This might sound familiar to those who have listened to Scottish Ministers justifying their ‘need’ to know everything about us to provide the ‘services’ they decide we need for our wellbeing.

“The EU has spent almost £470bn creating a system that enables it to monitor the impact of citizens within the economy, and allocate public spending budgets according to the credit score a citizen receives in this e-system.”

“The EU believes that technology can create a utopia whereby all the information they have on the population can be cross-referenced to provide in-depth data that helps them make financial decisions in the most logical way.”

(That’s GIRFEC for you)

The author gave this example to show how data can be used to ‘credit score’ a human being’s ‘worth’:

“ In a world of e-profiling, a woman whose mother had died of breast cancer and was unemployed for 10 years would have difficulty gaining access to expensive drugs or treatments on the future e-controlled NHS because her “worth-to-the-economy profile” would be low.”

(‘Getting It Right For Every Child Citizen & Community’, which is already well under way in Inverclyde, starts to look a bit sinister in that context)

So it’s all about the data – your children’s data and your own – and they are closing in. We keep having to catch up with hasty rebranding exercises (which we feel we may be partly responsible for, along with Kenneth Roy at the Scottish Review and bloggers who have been banging the same drum). Take the Evidence2Success school survey which caused a stooshie in Perth and Kinross due to its notorious questioning of pupils on their sexual and drug taking habits. It has just been quietly rebranded as ChildrenCount so that it could be rolled out in fluffy new sheep’s wellbeing clothing to the school children of Dundee, Angus and North Ayrshire where parental consent has been deemed unnecessary as some of them might make a fuss. Unfortunately for those conducting the N Ayrshire supplementary household survey, the ‘Saltcoats Solution’ was deployed by parents who collectively rebuffed the advances of strange blokes asking dodgy questions about young children. They’ll be back, of course.

What is currently happening on the ground isn’t pretty. As a national charity Schoolhouse takes a large number of enquiries from families looking into home education. Traditionally it has been a 50/50 split between parents making a positive choice and those who have reached the end of the school road (often due to special needs or bullying). Since we set up our online petition to raise awareness of the agenda behind GIRFEC, we have been fielding significantly more enquiries from families who have no interest in home ed per se but who report they are being bullied, threatened and victimised by Named Persons assuming the role of state sponsored dictators.

Since Holyrood passed the legislation in February, we have been inundated as more families are experiencing unwanted interference by Named Persons up to and including referrals to the children’s reporter on spurious grounds. This is happening a full two years before the Named Person provision is scheduled to come into force, but families are already having their personal data stolen and assessed by multi-agency box tickers who may not personally approve of particular parenting choices and have had a couple of hours’ training on how to circumvent the law. Think chronic illness and disability, vaccination, travelling lifestyles, home birthing, attachment parenting, home education and remember the Ashya King case which resulted in a European Arrest Warrant being issued for ‘irresponsible’ parents seeking a second opinion and private medical treatment for their sick child.

So what about the evidence, supposedly gleaned from the Highland pilot, for imposing a data collector on every child in Scotland?

For starters, it was predicated on a lie – Danielle Reid, the five year old who was murdered, despite multiple concerns being raised about her safety, was the original poster child for GIRFEC, but she was quietly dropped when we revealed the dates didn’t add up and the project was already far advanced, just waiting for a suitable grave to rob. Victoria Climbie was the ECM equivalent who was also failed by multiple services, most notably the NSPCC.

Secondly it was selective – GIRFEC was not a universally imposed ‘service’, but one in which parents whose children had additional needs were over-represented and likely to welcome a single point of contact, having been serially fobbed off in the past.

The social engineers have of course been busy defending the indefensible.

The chief cheerleader for Highland hailed it as a success while being economical with the aforementioned facts. It is well documented that targeted multi agency working is effective if properly resourced. It usually isn’t, and compulsory, as opposed to invitational, universal inclusion is bound to fail, just as it did in the Isle of Man, but not before causing lasting damage to services and families alike.

It was publicly claimed there were no complaints from parents, but the press has carried stories of parents who did complain and were ignored. Some of them are here tonight and others are still complaining. We know because we have been hearing from them on a regular basis.

The ‘evidence’ is purely policy based, having been commissioned from vested interests who need to justify their own existence for the next funding round. The so called ‘children’s workforce’ is big business and the public sector and big state funded charities have all fallen into line, drowning out smaller grass roots groups who have witnessed the pitfalls at first hand. All attempts to obtain raw data have so far failed.

Finally, our favourite claim is that the opponents of GIRFEC (that’s us!) are all misguided scaremongers who don’t understand that it’s only a signposting service for parents who want it, there’s no obligation to use it, and they’re only here to help (where have we heard that one before?) If it’s really so great and service users are all asking for it, it surely begs the question, why make it compulsory?

These cheerleaders’ arguments are well rehearsed and often repeated by those who haven’t bothered to think for themselves, so here are some ripostes we prepared earlier.

“If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to fear.” Tell that to Ashya King’s parents. Personally, I am happier hiding my cellulite from public view, thank you very much, although it isn’t a crime to eat too many cakes (yet!). Also remember that “privacy is a necessary condition of mental health”, which is why it is specifically protected in human rights legislation.

“If it saves just one child…” Well it didn’t save Mikaeel Kular, who was known to children’s services in Fife where the GIRFEC Named Person is already operational and already causing problems for home educating families who have been subject to malicious referrals. When implemented universally, GIRFEC puts the most vulnerable children at greater risk by diverting resources.

“We need to know everything about your family so we can plan the services you’ll need.” For that read “the services we decide you’ll need” as the Enabling State is primed to disable dissenters who may stray from their predetermined wellbeing outcomes. Why not actually address the needs of parents and children who are already queuing up to ask for support they have identified as necessary but are being turned away through lack of resources or disagreement on the part of professionals?

The future isn’t bright if we do nothing, so we need to keep reminding parents that no family is safe from state intervention. The bar has now been set so low that we’re all deemed a risk to our children’s ‘wellbeing’.

Fortunately the judicial review is in progress, but who would have thought that ordinary parents would need to go to court to protect their children from the government’s assault on their human rights? Given the Haringey case precedent, where Article 8 was upheld and data processing without consent deemed unlawful below the established ‘at risk’ threshold, and given that the entire legal establishment in Scotland has come out against the anti-family provisions in the CHYP Act, they are digging themselves an enormous hole and won’t even share their legal advice (no doubt still on the back of Kenny MacAskill’s fag packet and carrying a health warning). For the sake of every child, we can’t afford for the legal challenge to fail.

In the meantime we have a few tactics to keep the wolves from the door.

Opt out of any school surveys and don’t allow your child to be coerced into taking part. Have an opt-out note attached to your child’s records and remind teachers that there is a law against grooming children to disclose personal sensitive data.

Formally withhold or withdraw consent from every ‘service provider’ for any data processing without your written authority and obtain confirmation that they have complied with your instructions. This might make you a non engaging parent in the risk assessment stakes, but Aileen Campbell has stated on public record that there is no requirement to engage with a Named Person. Go figure!

Avoid providing personal information to service providers wherever possible, including third sector organisations whose remit is now to mine data from you and your children. Try not to get guilt tripped into providing ‘feedback’ which they claim they need to prove they have met their outcomes, to get their next grant and provide future services (you get the drift).

Submit subject access requests under the Data Protection Act to obtain your own and your children’s records. They must produce them within 40 days and you may be surprised at what has been recorded and shared about you with every Tom, Dick and Harry, playground tittle-tattle included. (One parent was surprised to learn she was emigrating to Egypt, not just moving two streets away!) Do you really want your child’s teacher to have access to your entire family’s medical and social work records at the click of a mouse? The Assistant Info Commissioner seems remarkably complacent and is even quoted in Perth and Kinross Council’s training manual that encourages staff to break the law, but his lay ‘opinion’ looks very shoogly in the context of the Haringey judgement and when compared to the opinion of leading counsel.

Make formal complaints about every concern you have as a parent about the actions of your child’s NP – whether a health visitor, nursery worker, teacher or ‘other’. Consider asking for access to their police, health and social work records so that you can satisfy yourself as to their suitability to work with your child. On the Home Ed Forums website you’ll find a 50 page thread listing professionals convicted of abusing children. Rotherham hasn’t inspired confidence and Scotland has plenty of its own embarrassing skeletons rattling their way out of the closet. The ‘paedophiles’ address book’ label still applies.

Finally, when you find government agents at your door announcing they’re there to help you, employ the Saltcoats Solution and send them away with a NO2NP leaflet!



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http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/home-e...no2np-roadshow


(Transcript reads pretty much same as above, but for your info)

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This link will take you to all the relevant campaign articles we have written - http://www.schoolhouse.org.uk/category/law-and-policy

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No campaign petition

http://no2np.org/

Schoolhouse Petition

https://www.change.org/p/members-of-...ld-in-scotland

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I have also contacted Sabine (as linked to by a member here) and she got in contact with me today, sending my email to a colleague. I will let you know what comes of that.

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I am waiting on pamphlets to be sent up to me so I can post them through letterboxes. The main thing for me is making sure people know about this, understand it and then have the avenues shown to them so they know where to go to let their feelings be known (if they are that way inclined). I am certain that people will care if they know the full implications.

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Thats all I have done so far