UFO CRASH IN CANADA on 18 Feb, 2015

[lizfrench]

Apparently this crash was witnessed and pictures were released on facebook. Here is one youtube news release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I92ZC2cGc8s

[Timewaster]

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[lucidity]

more news on this:


military trucks at the crash site picture (http://www.ufointernationalproject.com/latest-news/ufo-crash-reported-in-manitoba-denied-by-canadian-military/)


picture of the crash site (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=835238703208508&set=a.835238666541845.1073741890.100001671596052&type=1)

Probably, more pics, and hopefully video will surface in the next few days/weeks.

be happy

lucidity :-)

PS.. if you find any good pics/videos.. save them to your local computer because
these materials are usually removed from youtube/facebook/etc.

[Tangri]

Some people at area is isolated in their house, phone line and cell towers blocked

I can not reach some of my contacts in Winnipeg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECtLVomjwcM&feature=youtube_gdata

[Atlas]

UFO near Jackhead? It's actually a plane, says military

Social media reports of a possible UFO sighting last night near Jackhead, Man., are not true, says the Canadian Forces, which attributed the bright light people saw to an airplane from a training exercise. On Wednesday night, several people said on Twitter and Facebook that they saw a bright light in the sky, fuelling speculation that it may have been an unidentified flying object.

The rumour became stronger when photos were posted of Canadian Forces vehicles in the area, with some people claiming the military was there to contain a UFO crash site.

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Trucks and police vehicles arriving at site of crash

But it was not a UFO at all, says Lt.-Col. Paul Davies, commanding officer 38 Territorial Battalion Group, which is involved in an Arctic Response Company Group training exercise on Lake Winnipeg this week. "There's no aliens, just my friends in the air force who are out there helping us on this exercise," Davies told CBC News on Thursday. "I have the commander of that air force contingent sitting right beside me and, you know, he assures us that that was not a UFO, but that was him."

About 150 military personnel are taking part in Exercise Arctic Bison 2015, which includes the 38 Canadian Brigade Group, the 2nd Battalion of the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, the 4th Canadian Ranger Patrol Group, and 440 Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

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Members of the Arctic Response Company Group drive across frozen Lake Winnipeg during Exercise Arctic Bison 2015. (MCpl Cameron Skrypnyk/DND)

Davies said soldiers are training to deal with a plane crash and provide ground search and rescue support in the Arctic. The bright light that people saw, he explained, came from an airplane that takes off very quickly. "From a distance it may have looked like it was going straight up in the air, but it wasn't," he said. "It was just us out there playing our games." The exercise wraps up on Sunday.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-KXUuYCQAAQUbi.jpg
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994

[Sunny-side-up]

Davies said soldiers are training to deal with a plane crash and provide ground search and rescue support in the Arctic. The bright light that people saw, he explained, came from an airplane that takes off very quickly. "From a distance it may have looked like it was going straight up in the air, but it wasn't," he said. "It was just us out there playing our games." The exercise wraps up on Sunday

That makes sense 0.0
People normally associate something crashing from the sky as something coming downwards, not going upwards.

[Atlas]

Canadian Army Exercise ARCTIC BISON 2015
February 17, 2015

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Exercise ARCTIC BISON 2015 (Ex AB 15) will be conducted by 38 Canadian Brigade Group (38 CBG) from 13-22 February 2015 along the length of Lake Winnipeg. Ex AB 15 will see approximately 110 members of the Canadian Army travel by snowmobile from Gimli to Grand Rapids, with approximately 40 members remaining in Gimli in the Land Component Command (LCC) headquarters or in supporting roles. The exercise will focus on the achievement of the Arctic Response Company Group (ARCG) Full Operating Capability criteria, specifically focussing on the ability of the ARCG to force project and sustain itself 300 km from its support base.

Context

Canada faces a variety of domestic threats such as forest fires and floods, other environmental hazards, and man-made incidents including accidents and potential criminal/terrorist actions. Within the 38 CBG area of responsibility – a large region that is varied in terms of geography, climate, ecology, population and industry – there is considerable scope for a domestic emergency to occur that would be beyond the capacity of provincial authorities, and could potentially lead them to call upon the CAF for assistance. 38 CBG, being one the primary force generation organizations for land based domestic operations in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Northwest Ontario, needs to be able to provide a relevant, responsive, and effective task-tailored force to respond to any request for assistance requested by the various federal, provincial, and municipal government organizations.

Additionally, the Canada First Defense Strategy mandates a significant Canadian Armed Forces presence in the Arctic. The remoteness of the Arctic, combined with the vast distances between operating bases, the lack of infrastructure, and difficulties in communications necessitates that the North be regarded as an expeditionary type theatre requiring forces to be uniquely trained, deployable, scalable, and as self-sufficient as possible. In order to enhance Northern sovereignty, each Canadian Army Division maintains a trained and responsive ARCG force generated primarily from the Army reserve, and is trained and equipped to operate in all Arctic conditions.

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Activities

Ex AB 15 will provide realistic and challenging scenarios in harsh environments to the ARCG to ensure readiness for events that may arise. The exercise scenario will include response to a major air disaster, support to Ground Search and Rescue, and public relations activities in some communities along the shore of Lake Winnipeg.

The exercise will see coordination with other government agencies such as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Transportation Safety Board, as well as military units from outside 38 CBG such as the 2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, the 4th Canadian Ranger Patrol Group, and 440 Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

Environmental Stewardship

The vicinity of Lake Winnipeg is not typically used as a training area for the Canadian Army, and as such, will provide a new environment with its own challenges to the ARCG. The CAF takes every precaution to minimize the impact of its activities on the environment through the application of appropriate technology, expertise, and risk management practices. Accordingly, an environmental assessment has been completed prior to the exercise.

Media Contacts

Lieutenant Derek Reid, 38 Canadian Brigade Group Public Affairs Officer
Phone: 204-833-2500 ext. 6543
Email: derek.reid2@forces.gc.ca
After Hours: 204-688-3267

For more information on the Canadian Army please visit http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/en/western/index.page or follow us @3CdnDiv.

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Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/38cbg/sets/72157648588888263/

Source: http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/en/news-publications/western-news-details-secondary-menu.page?doc=exercise-arctic-bison-2015/i5xz1ft4

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[Tyy1907]

The whole area is on lockdown, people with video have been detained. Was this on the mainstream news? Even if it was a military aircraft that crashed, why so hush hush? This should go viral. Seize these opportunites when they arise. Before the the threats start happenin to these poor families that saw it. Answers! We want 'em!

[Atlas]

Posted by Chris Rutkowski - Sunday, February 22, 2015

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No, there was no "UFO Crash" at Jackhead

It all started as a silly late-night gag, and has mushroomed into a major ufological mystery.Or so conspiracy buffs would have you believe.

On Wednesday night, February 18, 2015, at about 9:00 pm, a friend of mine named Maeengan Linklater sent me a PM on Facebook:


Hey, I'm hearing stories on a ufo in Jackhead First Nation with military trucks heading up there. Hear anything?


Maeengan is a great guy and a fine researcher. He’s also knowledgable about all things Aboriginal and Indigenous, with connections to many First Nations communities. So if he’s heard a story from one of them, there’s something to it. He then added quickly:


However, I think this morning, the Canadian army was going to be doing arctic exercises on Lake Winnipeg.


Ah, so that was it. We usually hear in advance if the Canadian Armed Forces are doing Search&Rescue training, but not all the time. And the west shore of Lake Winnipeg is exactly where these exercises are held. In fact, we get UFO reports a few times a year when the planes drop flares (a la Phoenix Lights) over the lake, giving a spectacular display.

I immediately suspected this is what that night’s stories were about. Usually, however, transports aren’t involved, because they’re air exercises. And Jackhead is a bit north of where the training missions are usually held, near Gimli.

Then Maeengan added:



And, people being asked to evacuate as well.


This wasn’t a regular Search&Rescue exercise. And why would anyone need to be evacuated? I checked the Canadian Forces website and found the following:



Exercise ARCTIC BISON 2015, held February 13-22 along the length of Lake Winnipeg, focuses on challenging training for the Arctic Response Company Group in austere winter conditions.


Well, that explained it. Open and shut case. But it still didn’t make sense that anyone would be evacuated.

Maeengan told me that the evacuation comment came from a tweet from the First Nations community. I logged on to my Twitter account and searched for “Jackhead.” Sure enough, up came several tweets, including a daytime screen shot of several military transports on a road that looked like it could be in that area.

The first tweet that I found was:



Luke Jacob Thiessen ‏@ljthiessen  Feb 18Seeing photos of military trucks headed into Jackhead, MB, supposedly responding to "crashed UFO." That got weird fast. #JackheadUFO

The early photos were screen shots of a military convoy, although there was nothing to indicate exactly where this was observed.And then there was:



Grant Hamilton ‏@Gramiq  Feb 18 Brandon, ManitobaWhaaa? Supposed UFO crash in Jackhead, MB, north of Winnipeg.  #XFilesReboot MT #JackheadUFOCrash


I could tell that the story was starting to explode. Somebody did a search on it and found that I had included a sighting in Jackhead in my 1993 Canadian UFO Survey:



Jason Phillips ‏@Feuerbach11  Feb 18@mc79hockey Not the first UFO in Jackhead, apparently:http://thecid.com/ufo/uf15/uf1/151629.htm (http://thecid.com/ufo/uf15/uf1/151629.htm)


But then a reporter whom I know quickly posted:



Melissa Martin ‏@DoubleEmMartin  Feb 18Ok we can cancel our tinfoil orders, Jackhead is alien free
https://twitter.com/derekgagnon1/status/568204182588493824


And a military tweeter explained:



‏@DerekGagnon1@DoubleEmMartin @thrubeniuk Exercise Arctic Bison began on the weekend, our largest local winter exercise of the year. Annual event.


Well that was that. Except… the tweets kept coming…



Miss Kelly ‏@clairissak  Feb 18So apparently the aliens have landed in Jackhead, MB #JackheadUFO Jackhead Alien ‏




@JackHeadAlienMB  Feb 18Landed here in Jackhead? It's ****ing cold here. Just asked my agent to add Manitoba to my do not invade list.


Yes, there was even a JackHeadAlienMB twitter name. And there were many more, including the disturbing:



Nolan Monkman ‏@MonkmanNolan  Feb 18 Wat with the military invading jackhead first nation?


Then:



CarChen ‏@CarChen  Feb 18@CNN UFO crashed in Jackhead, MB Canadian Military are on their way over now!


Even when someone from Jackhead tweeted:



Isaiah ‏@ColeCameron99  Feb 18@itsPHILLY204 I can assure you, it has nothing to do with a UFO 😐 I'm from Jackhead and its only a training exercise.


It was ignored completely.

Even when an Aboriginal radio station posted a story about the excitement, giving many details, it didn’t stem the tide:



NCI FM ‏@NCI_FM  Feb 19Jackhead Reserve: alien free since at least 1993 http://wp.me/p3ZVXA-1ph (http://wp.me/p3ZVXA-1ph)http://www.ncifm.com/jackhead-reserve-alien-free-since-at-least-1993/ (http://www.ncifm.com/jackhead-reserve-alien-free-since-at-least-1993/) 


But then the UFO media took interest, and away it went:



UFO RESEARCH ‏@UFO_RESEARCH  Feb 19UFO Sighting in Jackhead, Manitoba on February 16th 2015 - according to locals was a crash with large mil... http://bit.ly/1z2Xp6w  #UFO


The incident was even reported as an actual case to MUFON
http://www.ufostalker.com/ufostalker/UFO+Sighting+in+Jackhead+Manitoba+Canada+on+February+16th+2015/63432?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ufostalker+%28UFO+Stalker%29 (http://www.ufostalker.com/ufostalker/UFO+Sighting+in+Jackhead+Manitoba+Canada+on+February+16th+2015/63432?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ufostalker+%28UFO+Stalker%29)

Even though there was no actual witness or witness report, the MUFON case file noted:



“according to locals was a crash with large military presence and cordoned off to civilians.”


Other tweets said that the road to the reserve and town had been blocked by military vehicles. My question at this point was, “Which locals?” The only identified and named individuals from Jackhead who posted on Twitter were those who said the whole thing was simply a military exercise and that there was no “UFO crash.”

But the UFO media went nuts: The badly-named UFOSFacts:



UFOSFACTS ‏@UfosFacts  Feb 19UFO Sighting in Jackhead, Manitoba on February 16th 2015 - according to locals was a crash with large… http://dlvr.it/8dcYdS  #UFOS #OVNIS


The worst offender was the mostly-hoax UFO Youtube channel ThirdPhaseOfMoon, which ran an audio interview of a “guy who knew a guy in Jackhead” with an image from an unrelated UFO case, which many viewers thought was what was seen at Jackhead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SJbGIO3VE&feature=youtu.be&a (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SJbGIO3VE&feature=youtu.be&a)

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) quickly posted a story that included an interview with military officials:



CBC Manitoba ‏@CBCManitoba  Feb 19ICYMI: Bright light near Jackhead last night wasn't a #UFO, says military http://www.cbc.ca/1.2963994  #cbcmb #manitoba


And a few others, including me, tried to set things straight.



Chris Rutkowski ‏@ufologyresearch No, there was no #UFO #crash in #Jackhead #Manitoba last night, and no one was evacuated by the military. #hoax Sorry, no #Disclosure 




Neal Shepperson ‏@NealShepperson  Feb 19@ufologyresearch @anomalistnews You would say that though wouldn't you...   :D


The next day, after I had thought things had slowed down, I awoke to find the story was going viral. I knew someone had to investigate this story, and it obviously had to be me, since no one else seemed to want to do so. Mainstream media took a look and found quickly it was the military exercise, but I wanted to know who started the rumours, and what was actually seen that led to the report of a UFO?

I easily found a number for the Band Office, and spoke with a council member there. She laughed. She said that if everyone had been evacuated, she wouldn’t have answered the phone. I asked her about the rumours and she said that there was nothing to them at all.

I dutifully reported back on Twitter about what I had learned.



Chris Rutkowski @ufologyresearch  ·  Feb 19 No, there was no #UFO #crash in #Jackhead #Manitoba last night, and no one was evacuated by the military. #hoax Sorry, no #Disclosure


But there was no way that facts were going to get in the way of a good story. Rumours continued to circulate on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and UFO Media about the amazing UFO crash at Jackhead, which was variously described as a town, a reserve and a military base.

Posters insisted that they knew people who had been evacuated, who had been turned away at a military checkpoint, and who had definitely seen UFOs. Many said they knew people from Jackhead First Nation who had witnessed the crash and ensuing cover-up personally.

Of course, no one was talking about it firsthand. Obviously, the conspirators explained, they had been hushed up. Taken away, never to be heard from again.

I tried being the voice of reason again, the following day, as the story continued its viral ascent.



Chris Rutkowski @ufologyresearch  ·  Feb 20Good grief! That #ufo crash story at #jackhead is still going! We looked into it and there's nothing to it, people! https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ufo-near-jackhead-actually-plane-224138620.html


The news coverage, in which the military explained about the exercise, did nothing to stop the rumour mill. In fact, the comments on the news stories show that almost no one believed the explanation.

Things got worse that night when ThirdPhaseOfMoon had a phone-in podcast during which “eyewitnesses” from Manitoba called in to rave about the UFO crash.

Blogger Seashoremary, who posts about conspiracies such as vaccines, NWO and bible prophesy, documented the discussion. https://seashoremary.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/mystery-continues-ufo-craft-crashed-in-jackhead-reservation-manitoba-canada/ (https://seashoremary.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/mystery-continues-ufo-craft-crashed-in-jackhead-reservation-manitoba-canada/)

She noted:



Throughout the hour the incoming Canadian callers would get disconnected.  Interference was felt by the radio host and his frustration over the situation. The host was able, during the live broadcast, share information that he had received emails from eye witnesses with texted cryptic information: “Your government needs you.  Keep quiet” pointing  a finger at them.“They told us we have one hour to evacuate.”“That’s all I’m allowed to say.”“Don’t send to anyone.” (implied text message)The eye witnesses have been intimidated and are now afraid to speak out.  People are unhappy with the shut down and the military presence in their area.


In other words, nothing to substantiate any of the claims.

There were also some very fanciful Facebook posts by a Brent Mancheese:



UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada. Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore. They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics…lots of eye witnesses. Thur is round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier … Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen they reported it…why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash.


There’s also a question about photographs. The first ones that were posted and reposted widely were the daytime shots of personnel carriers. Then, someone posted a nighttime shot of vehicles on the ice.

And then a daytime shot with annotations has been circulated, and posted on Disclose.tv:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Eu4zvVQxbic/VOplV2EqW9I/AAAAAAAAAlI/aOzGXZanh9I/s1600/jackhead4.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Eu4zvVQxbic/VOplV2EqW9I/AAAAAAAAAlI/aOzGXZanh9I/s1600/jackhead4.jpg)

Seashoremary noted:



The host mentioned he has received photographs that he feels are legitimate but unable to download them onto a video pending consent from the senders who are now not able to communicate outside their territory. According to the radio host, one photo shows that it’s not an airplane but has “definite structure” about half-size of a football field 40′ – 50′.  Another photo shows people running to the scene, including military personnel on snowmobiles.


There's even an "artist's conception of the object on the lake:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-920sTtgjXXU/VOpltKG5c-I/AAAAAAAAAlQ/rVSS89PURqY/s1600/jackhead4b.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-920sTtgjXXU/VOpltKG5c-I/AAAAAAAAAlQ/rVSS89PURqY/s1600/jackhead4b.jpg)

One post on Disclose.tv showed exactly how far the conspiracy buffs are taking this:



Freetruth • There is also short footage of disk in sky. They have shut down the reservation, no in, no out, have cut off phone internet lines, went door to door, asking if people saw anything, to help investigate, then those who said they did have been detained. Early on stuff got out calls, emails made. If this is nothing then we demand let ALL these people be free safe & accounted for because whether military created or other worldly, the point is this is abuse of citizens, harrass ment, threats, & unlawful detainment. Further gagging freedom of speech or ability to call out for help. Gov mil say simple mil excessive crash, fine & well then release pics images, be done with it. Release ALL you have detained. Leaving them in full possession of their property, phones, computers, cameras etc.. All data. These people did get out to friends asking for help, can't understand why they are being threatened detained etc... Some taken for further questioning.


Many posters on social media really had no idea of what the facts of the case were at all. But the implications of their comments are making things uncomfortable. ThirdPhaseOfMoon’s second podcast stirred things up by stating that the residents on the reserve were mad that the military was covering up such an event on their land.

One poster on February 22nd, three days after the story began going viral, asked:



Kris H ‏@HargoFett
Did a Canadian Roswell just happen?http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994 …Why would military conduct exercise on Indian reservation?

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The Truth That Won’t Be Believed by Conspiracy Buffs and UFO Fans

First of all, Jackhead is a name given to the Kinonjeoshtegon First Nation on the western shore of Lake Winnipeg, about 300 kilometres due north of the city of Winnipeg. It’s not a military base. In fact, there’s no base anywhere near it.

Jackhead is quite remote, with only a single gravel road leading in from Peguis First Nation and the town of Dallas (really!), about 60 kilometres south, and nothing in between. There are about 225 people who live on Jackhead First Nation, and some fish for a living. There are few other communities anywhere near there. During the winter, weather conditions make it very challenging to travel around or about the lake.

Second, related to the first point about the isolation of the site, the Canadian Forces chose Lake Winnipeg as the perfect place for winter training exercises.

On their website for Arctic Bison 2015: http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/en/news-publications/western-news-details-secondary-menu.page?doc=exercise-arctic-bison-2015/i5xz1ft4 (http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/en/news-publications/western-news-details-secondary-menu.page?doc=exercise-arctic-bison-2015/i5xz1ft4)



Exercise ARCTIC BISON 2015 (Ex AB 15) will be conducted by 38 Canadian Brigade Group (38 CBG) from 13-22 February 2015 along the length of Lake Winnipeg.  Ex AB 15 will see approximately 110 members of the Canadian Army travel by snowmobile from Gimli to Grand Rapids, with approximately 40 members remaining in Gimli in the Land Component Command (LCC) headquarters or in supporting roles.  The exercise will focus on the achievement of the Arctic Response Company Group (ARCG) Full Operating Capability criteria, specifically focussing on the ability of the ARCG to force project and sustain itself 300 km from its support base.


In other words, about 70 soldiers were traveling by snowmobile from Gimli far to the south of Jackhead to Grand Rapids far to the north, and because of the nature of the geography, they passed close to the western shore near Jackhead as they travelled.

And what about the aircraft seen?



Ex AB 15 will provide realistic and challenging scenarios in harsh environments to the ARCG to ensure readiness for events that may arise. The exercise scenario will include response to a major air disaster, support to Ground Search and Rescue, and public relations activities in some communities along the shore of Lake Winnipeg.


So they staged a fake airplane crash to practice search and rescue techniques under extreme winter conditions. And the object "dragged along the lake?" The military exercise included constructing an emergency landing strip on the ice, which would have required digging a smooth patch on the ice, and removing the show to a certain depth. That was what is on the surface of the lake in the photograph.

(But yes, they obviously failed in their “public relations activities.” Because even though the Band Council and administrators knew about the military exercise that could pass near the community, the residents themselves were not told enough about what was going to be seen.)

Seashoremary’s transcription of the ThirdPhaseOfMoon’s podcast included the few details what can be thought of as UFO sightings from that night:



“I talked to one eye-witness seen something falling 1:30am Wednesday morning with bluish-green lights, he’s wondering what it was he saw, another honest fisherman said they were told to leave the lake Wednesday and not allowed to take pictures.”


It’s easy to understand these eyewitness descriptions knowing what we know about the operation. The lights in the sky (if that’s where they were seen) were aircraft. As for fishermen told to leave the lake, it would have been dangerous to have civilians near a military operation and were told to leave. As for photos? Well, it was a military operation.

All this is speculation based on the facts of the event. We have not actually heard from first-hand witnesses from the community.

What about the rumours of people being taken from their homes and cut off from the outside world? What we do know is that Internet access out there can be spotty and dependent on phone lines. I was able to reach people in the band office by phone, and it’s obvious that someone out there is on Twitter and Facebook, so Internet access has not been cut off. Nor have posts been removed.

Another thing that should be pointed out is that the military exercise started on February 13th, several days before the “UFO crash.” If a saucer did crash on the night of the 18th, it’s odd that the military would know about it before it happened, and also were in the exact location where it would occur.

There are plenty of second-hand sources of information about evacuation and saucers on the frozen lake, but apart from the fishermen, no one has admitted seeing or experiencing any of the strange events.

This is what’s on MysteriousUniverse.org:



UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada. Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore. They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics…lots of eye witnesses. Thur is round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier … Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen they reported it…why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash. Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake, at least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.


Let’s look at this summary of the conspiracy line by line.

UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada.
FALSE. A simulated plane crash was on the lake itself, significantly offshore.

Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore.
FALSE. There would be supporting military vehicles near the exercises, but this is the west shore.

They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics.
PARTLY TRUE. The military likely was discouraging civilians to take photos.

Lots of eye witnesses
POSSIBLY TRUE. If this refers to the UFO seen, then yes. The rumour says “eight fishermen,” though none have come forward officially. But what else were people witnesses to?

There is [a] round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier.
PROBABLY TRUE. The military exercise involves a 300-kilometre trip across the frozen lake in -40F conditions. I sure hope they have plenty of supplies.

Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen.
See above.

Why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash?
ANSWER: Because there was no real plane crash.

Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. There is no report of such an event, and no evidence to this effect. (I hope this did not refer to a military accident involving personnel, but we would have heard of this by now through conventional media if they had.)

At least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. Who? Wouldn’t anyone from the community know who this was and object, perhaps going right to media? This would have been something to tweet out for sure, that “John White was arrested by the military.”

So, despite the lack of evidence of the wild claims, the story of the “UFO Crash in Jackhead” continues to go viral. Why did the story get made up, anyway? I suspect because of the general distrust of the military and the poor communication by the Canadian Forces public relations office about is operation, the activity was viewed as suspicious by some people in the remote community.

And the UFO conspiracy community did the rest.

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Source: http://uforum.blogspot.com

[Tyy1907]

Blah blah blah. Why should a training exercise be shrouded in such secrecy and control? This is damage control in my opinion. Till I hear from the people of that community (not via twitter or facebook), this is far from making sense.

[Atlas]

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Source: https://twitter.com/ColeCameron99

[Tyy1907]

That still doesn't constitute proof to me. That fellow is from there. Was he actually there though? He could be receiving third hand "info" from his family/friends who still live there. Info told to them by military guys that came to their door.

We'll see what becomes of this.

[Atlas]

This story will be forgotten in a couple of days. Hopefully, no one was hurt. :)
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JACKHEAD RESERVE: ALIEN FREE SINCE AT LEAST 1993

Here is perhaps some of the most obvious news you will hear all day… a UFO has not crashed in Manitoba.

Social media sites have been a buzz about little green men, flying saucers and a heavy military presence in the area of Jackhead reserve.

There is no truth to the invaders or their space craft, though the bit about the Canadian military is real, but has a much more earthly explanation.

Forces members are on an annual exercise called Operation Arctic Bison and they’re in Jackhead because some of the snowmobiles they were using to cross Lake Winnipeg broke down.

A statement from the military says they’ll be moving on shortly from Jackhead as they take the remaining working snowmobiles north towards Grand Rapids.

Jackhead has been the subject of a previous report of an Unidentified Flying Object. According to the website of the Canadian UFO Survey, there was a single green light observed by one person in the community back on November 7, 1993.

– Garth Hilderman

Source: http://www.ncifm.com/jackhead-reserve-alien-free-since-at-least-1993

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed
and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all.


Nothing to see here folks, go about your business...

It smells distinctly of disinformation.

Why the complete secrecy ?
Why the arrest of local spectators ?
Why the prohibition on vehicles in or out of the area ?
Why the posters 'Your country needs your silence'

You don't get that kind of authoritarian secrecy for regular
training exercises.

This is a new Roswell, and they're jumping up and down trying to keep a lid on it.
Next they'll be releasing images of some aircraft wreckage in the snow
claiming this is what fell from the sky. This would be an exact parallel to the official
'weather balloon' pictures released after Roswell.

When aircraft fall from the sky they don't light up like shooting stars.
This thing was mistaken for a meteorite.

I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface
in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above
(citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.

The question is, where can that stuff be posted without risk of it being
immediately taken down (as usually happens at youtube and facebook).
If anyone has a good answer to this, please let me know via PM, or
by posting to this thread.

An interesting line of enquiry would be to go and ask psychics
(who have proven previous accuracy) what landed on 18th Feb.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Atlas]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead2.gif

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead3.gif

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10999087_1400659226908751_7793116611349186376_n.jpg?oh=8f41198f31870558058f75dc0894577a&oe=555532B5&__gda__=1434329482_8a4a13a8434b10b353c2ce651b88bea4

[Tyy1907]

Let me ask you buarez, why the media blackout? Why the secrecy? If a regular plane crashed ANYWHERE it would be on the news! Give ur head a shake man. Why have images been removed from facebook?

[Octavusprime]

Tyy1907, Buarez is providing information that it is an exercise testing military response to a downed plane. Could it be a cover-up of a UFO crash? Maybe, so far all the "evidence" is hearsay and conjecture.

I want to believe but not at the expense of truth. I'd like to see more evidence that it is a downed UFO before jumping to that conclusion.

[Atlas]

Let me ask you buarez, why the media blackout? Why the secrecy? If a regular plane crashed ANYWHERE it would be on the news! Give ur head a shake man. Why have images been removed from facebook?

In case of a UFO crash, the military would have to prevent the journalists from taking pictures because some terrorist organizations could reverse-engineer the ET tech based on the photos of the craft. I would not be surprised if the military managed to rescue a couple of EBEs from drowning and abducted a few locals inside one of their secret bases in order to cover it all up. And they may even use this new ET tech they just found against the civilians, for whatever reason.

http://imageprocessor.websimages.com/width/300/crop/0,0,300x533/www.hangereighteen.com/jackhead%202.jpg

Also I think the UFOs should be made aware of the fact that crashing on Earth is not a good idea. If caught by the military, the EBEs will be detained and experimented on in secret bunkers probably for the rest of their life so I think they should definitely find a way to avoid crashing on Earth.
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It seems like beforeitnews posted the image of another UFO:

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/manitoba-ufo-crash.png
http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2015/02/latest-ufo-crash-incident-in-manitoba-seen-by-many-and-reported-by-different-individuals-2484400.html

So there are probably not only one but at least 2 crashed UFOs, one is pyramid-shaped and the other one is circular. http://z4.ifrm.com/3705/147/0/e16569/e16569.gif

And the worst is that we'll probably never know the truth... http://forum.thegamecreators.com/g/avatars/ufo7.gif

[Tyy1907]

Tyy1907, Buarez is providing information that it is an exercise testing military response to a downed plane. Could it be a cover-up of a UFO crash? Maybe, so far all the "evidence" is hearsay and conjecture.

I want to believe but not at the expense of truth. I'd like to see more evidence that it is a downed UFO before jumping to that conclusion.

The fact of the matter is evidence is never plentiful in cases such as this. If we've learned anything about the countless eyewitness UFO sightings, extreme efforts are put toward keeping a lid on it. We have to work with what we have. Evidence has already been suppressed and deleted in this case. Residents on lockdown wondering what in the F&$@ is going on. Not being told a sniff of whats what. Is this what we want?

[DarMar]

THIRD
PHASE
OF
THE
MOON...

nuff said..

[Tangri]

Posted by Chris Rutkowski - Sunday, February 22, 2015


The next day, after I had thought things had slowed down, I awoke to find the story was going viral. I knew someone had to investigate this story, and it obviously had to be me, since no one else seemed to want to do so. Mainstream media took a look and found quickly it was the military exercise, but I wanted to know who started the rumours, and what was actually seen that led to the report of a UFO?

I easily found a number for the Band Office, and spoke with a council member there. She laughed. She said that if everyone had been evacuated, she wouldn’t have answered the phone. I asked her about the rumours and she said that there was nothing to them at all.

I dutifully reported back on Twitter about what I had learned.



Chris Rutkowski @ufologyresearch  ·  Feb 19 No, there was no #UFO #crash in #Jackhead #Manitoba last night, and no one was evacuated by the military. #hoax Sorry, no #Disclosure


But there was no way that facts were going to get in the way of a good story. Rumours continued to circulate on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and UFO Media about the amazing UFO crash at Jackhead, which was variously described as a town, a reserve and a military base.

Posters insisted that they knew people who had been evacuated, who had been turned away at a military checkpoint, and who had definitely seen UFOs. Many said they knew people from Jackhead First Nation who had witnessed the crash and ensuing cover-up personally.

Of course, no one was talking about it firsthand. Obviously, the conspirators explained, they had been hushed up. Taken away, never to be heard from again.

I tried being the voice of reason again, the following day, as the story continued its viral ascent.




Throughout the hour the incoming Canadian callers would get disconnected.  Interference was felt by the radio host and his frustration over the situation. The host was able, during the live broadcast, share information that he had received emails from eye witnesses with texted cryptic information: “Your government needs you.  Keep quiet” pointing  a finger at them.“They told us we have one hour to evacuate.”“That’s all I’m allowed to say.”“Don’t send to anyone.” (implied text message)The eye witnesses have been intimidated and are now afraid to speak out.  People are unhappy with the shut down and the military presence in their area.



Many posters on social media really had no idea of what the facts of the case were at all. But the implications of their comments are making things uncomfortable. ThirdPhaseOfMoon’s second podcast stirred things up by stating that the residents on the reserve were mad that the military was covering up such an event on their land.

One poster on February 22nd, three days after the story began going viral, asked:



Kris H ‏@HargoFett
Did a Canadian Roswell just happen?http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994 …Why would military conduct exercise on Indian reservation?

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Jackhead is quite remote, with only a single gravel road leading in from Peguis First Nation and the town of Dallas (really!), about 60 kilometres south, and nothing in between. There are about 225 people who live on Jackhead First Nation, and some fish for a living. There are few other communities anywhere near there. During the winter, weather conditions make it very challenging to travel around or about the lake.

Second, related to the first point about the isolation of the site, the Canadian Forces chose Lake Winnipeg as the perfect place for winter training exercises.

]

What about the rumours of people being taken from their homes and cut off from the outside world? What we do know is that Internet access out there can be spotty and dependent on phone lines. I was able to reach people in the band office by phone, and it’s obvious that someone out there is on Twitter and Facebook, so Internet access has not been cut off. Nor have posts been removed.

Another thing that should be pointed out is that the military exercise started on February 13th, several days before the “UFO crash.” If a saucer did crash on the night of the 18th, it’s odd that the military would know about it before it happened, and also were in the exact location where it would occur.

There are plenty of second-hand sources of information about evacuation and saucers on the frozen lake, but apart from the fishermen, no one has admitted seeing or experiencing any of the strange events.

This is what’s on MysteriousUniverse.org:



UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada. Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore. They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics…lots of eye witnesses. Thur is round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier … Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen they reported it…why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash. Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake, at least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.


Let’s look at this summary of the conspiracy line by line.

UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada.
FALSE. A simulated plane crash was on the lake itself, significantly offshore.

Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore.
FALSE. There would be supporting military vehicles near the exercises, but this is the west shore.

They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics.
PARTLY TRUE. The military likely was discouraging civilians to take photos.

Lots of eye witnesses
POSSIBLY TRUE. If this refers to the UFO seen, then yes. The rumour says “eight fishermen,” though none have come forward officially. But what else were people witnesses to?

There is [a] round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier.
PROBABLY TRUE. The military exercise involves a 300-kilometre trip across the frozen lake in -40F conditions. I sure hope they have plenty of supplies.

Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen.
See above.

Why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash?
ANSWER: Because there was no real plane crash.

Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. There is no report of such an event, and no evidence to this effect. (I hope this did not refer to a military accident involving personnel, but we would have heard of this by now through conventional media if they had.)

At least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. Who? Wouldn’t anyone from the community know who this was and object, perhaps going right to media? This would have been something to tweet out for sure, that “John White was arrested by the military.”
Wrong people can be detained without witness
So, despite the lack of evidence of the wild claims, the story of the “UFO Crash in Jackhead” continues to go viral. Why did the story get made up, anyway? I suspect because of the general distrust of the military and the poor communication by the Canadian Forces public relations office about is operation, the activity was viewed as suspicious by some people in the remote community.

And the UFO conspiracy community did the rest.

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Source: http://uforum.blogspot.com

Canadian Native Indian's rights is different then American natives's rights.

Most of them they do not have official(governmental) document. They only use documents when they need to shopping(which easily can be obtain from a friend) to not give a tax for trade. They are officially non exist(most of them) as a documentation.

"There are about 225 people who live on Jackhead First Nation, and some fish for a living."

As you see there is no definite numbers on living beings in that area. People can disappear without any trace( already there is no trace by official records). Intimidation is easy since their number is low and lack of out world's interest.
Officially military or RCMP(canadian FBI) has no affair in their land without informing local tribe. Military search and rescue is not an adequate explanation for Canadians since it could harm unacknowledged locals.
An information for training is a custom procedure and it should not followed by threat.

What about the rumours of people being taken from their homes and cut off from the outside world? What we do know is that Internet access out there can be spotty and dependent on phone lines. I was able to reach people in the band office by phone, and it’s obvious that someone out there is on Twitter and Facebook, so Internet access has not been cut off. Nor have posts been removed.

It is a narrowed truth. The Jamming effects in limited radius, if individuals not targeted by purpose. But if a targeting occurs, those individuals can not be reached.
Something really did happened there and it will surface eventually since Natives getting help from surrounding tribes.

[Carmody]

There is a zero number of allowed military training operations on sovereign independent Canadian native (first nations) lands.

Period.

The Canadian government has, literally millions of square km outside of those wholly separate sovereign first nations areas, that they can commit to operations and training exercises on. (Canada: approx 10million sq km in total)

They would never -and have never- used native lands for training exercises.

Has anyone bothered to try and use a internet wayback machine, to find out exactly when this announcement of a 'training exercise' actually appeared on given websites?

Also, how disinformation is doled out, how it is created, etc. To keep the public blind, and in a 'double bind' so they have no capacity to move forward in any form of decision making.

So, whenever the public starts to get close, the second part of maintaining the 'double bind' is introduced, the falsification of the moment is created, so the public can 'calm down' and continue being ignorant.

Also, websites and specific people are targeted for take-down, via trying to capture them in a falsehood story, so this story can be dragged up from time to time, in order to keep those researchers, whistleblowers and so on, to keep the double bind on anyone who may listen to them.

What we may be looking at can be real, or the introduction of a purposely crafted falsehood, so to create the double bind condition, and the purposeful activation of planted operatives and assets on forums and websites, in order to confuse the data and story to create a 'double bind' confusion inducing mindset (create a wide variance in opinion of individuals-who's voice creates and holds the double bind), so that people move away from trying to interpret or look at such data, today, and in the future.

To carry forward, in the public who may try to look at such things... a cancellation of any future looking at of UFO data and information. A creation of bias in expectancy of the public mind. That .... if they go look, all they'll ever get is 'brain hurt', and no answers, no clarity....thus the subconscious and semiconscious outcome in the general public is to shy away from dealing with it.

A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, and one message negates the other....... Unlike the usual no-win situation, the subject has difficulty in defining the exact nature of the paradoxical situation in which he or she is caught. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind) That both the question and the answer are purposely obscured and made to be complicated or increasingly and purposely complexified.

If one looks at how this works.... they find that public interest (casual Avalon viewer) in these threads picks up at the start or initiation of the given forum thread....and then wanes off, and MANY TIMES, does not stick around to read further, that the general public does not come back...to look at clarity of the situation that is reached, later on - in the given thread development. Part of the psychology of the introduction of 'brain hurt' and information denial, all carried out or executed...via the way that people's minds work.

To add, one primary methodology is the usage of emotionalism, hardness and uncaring, attacks, viciousness in undertones, as specific cues into the act of diverting people's minds away from the subject. A fundamental of introducing an argument, a position and a set of data for that discussion, is a clear and correct intellectualism. Only this sort of thing is taken in to the mind of an individual, for consideration.

Downward trending angry invective and browbeating in text form, is enough to begin the process of shutting discussion down, shutting reasoning down shutting situational resolution down, which is why you'll see it being introduced in discussions as it tears away from reasoned debate, and defines the situation into two or more distorted camps of data and reduced communication between them... so the double bind can be held.

That the public is being gamed via the underlying way that their minds create and function in thought creation. Any variation in that pattern of execution of control is noted and the given subject (person) or situation (forum developments) is monitored closely, as this is a core component of information control, public control... in the internet age.

The above is the constant state that world wide governmental systems (and departments) forced denial of UFO information exists in, today.

An article on the subject, from a ex-cia director, from 1979, this spells it out clearly (without ever saying it directly). It's all about information denial... and carrying forward such a mindset in the public. To work with how people's minds function, just outside of their recognition of such things.


Before blowing the whistle on America's illegal covert Cold War activities, Victor Marchetti was a 14-year CIA veteran ultimately promoted to executive assistant to The Agency's Deputy Director. After resigning in 1969, he wrote two exposes -- 1971's The Rope Dancer, and The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence in 1974. The latter, which the federal government attempted to ban from publication, was among the many slings and arrows contributing to the formation of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearings in 1975.

In 1979, Marchetti stoked yet another controversy by providing a rare if not largely speculative glimpse into the mindset of The Agency's uneasy relationship with The Great Taboo. Titled "How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon," Marchetti's magazine piece took a cautious approach. "The topic was rarely discussed at internal meetings," he wrote. "It seemed to fall into the category of 'very sensitive activities,' e.g., drug and mind-control operations, domestic spying, and other illegal actions. People simply did not talk about the UFO phenomenon."
(http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15197/retro-friday-a-blast-from-the-past/)

[Carmody]

Of course, while typing the above thread post out, over multiple edits and changes..near the end of it, I received exactly one ring on my phone, with no conclusion, no caller id, nothing.

A double bind phone call. (It's called the game of 'ring ring', where you ring them once. In the old days, with analog phones, you could get even a half or 1/4 ring in there, or even a single 'ting' on the bell of the phone)

These situations are not without a sense of humour (IMO). I could get all fearful about such things (they're watching me, oh no!), but I prefer the joke scenario.

The answer, is that it is you. The individual you reading this.

You are the object and the war front itself. It's all on you.

[Flash]

That still doesn't constitute proof to me. That fellow is from there. Was he actually there though? He could be receiving third hand "info" from his family/friends who still live there. Info told to them by military guys that came to their door.

We'll see what becomes of this.

This was the same bizarre conspiracy buff when a few years ago there were lots of talk about Chinese, 100,000 troop, being silently massing along the American border from the Québec side.

To tell the truth, it was almost hilarious, if not for those not wanting to understand that 100,000 troop Chinese would not go unnoticed even in the population at large. Why: because they are Chinese, in military outfit, amongst a whole lot of whites. Because they cannot speak French or English without a very thick accents usually and because of the sheer number. But some would vehemently argue with me that they were there, at 1/2 drive from Montréal.

In conclusion, when locals tells you there is nothing there, those used to their environements, and more Native Indians who are very keen observers, the chances are there is nothing there.

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JUst read your post Carmody and there is one (and more) thing true that makes my mind go 180 degrees around, there is no military exercises on Reservation land, ever. I had not thought of this, but it is true.

Therefore, i may want to retract my post later after receiving more information.

[Atlas]

Pyramid shaped UFO debunked:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead-fake1.gif https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead-fake2.gif
Full original image: https://betweenbrushstrokes.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/img_8103.jpg

[Tangri]

That still doesn't constitute proof to me. That fellow is from there. Was he actually there though? He could be receiving third hand "info" from his family/friends who still live there. Info told to them by military guys that came to their door.

We'll see what becomes of this.

This was the same bizarre conspiracy buff when a few years ago there were lots of talk about Chinese, 100,000 troop, being silently massing along the American border from the Québec side.

To tell the truth, it was almost hilarious, if not for those not wanting to understand that 100,000 troop Chinese would not go unnoticed even in the population at large. Why: because they are Chinese, in military outfit, amongst a whole lot of whites. Because they cannot speak French or English without a very thick accents usually and because of the sheer number. But some would vehemently argue with me that they were there, at 1/2 drive from Montréal.

In conclusion, when locals tells you there is nothing there, those used to their environements, and more Native Indians who are very keen observers, the chances are there is nothing there.

---------------

JUst read your post Carmody and there is one (and more) thing true that makes my mind go 180 degrees around, there is no military exercises on Reservation land, ever. I had not thought of this, but it is true.

Therefore, i may want to retract my post later after receiving more information.

Well only, Carmody's missing point is search and rescue can be exercised in emergency situation(like plane crash) without authorisation <only information is necessary>. They tried this first but quickly chanced it, as a "it was a training exercise " Training exercise is not an option in Native reservation.

[Tangri]

Pyramid shaped UFO debunked:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead-fake1.gif https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackhead-fake2.gif
Full original image: https://betweenbrushstrokes.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/img_8103.jpg

What about Canadian army's claim "military exercise on search and rescue training" in that area.

" Training exercise is not an option in Native reservation.

Photos can be fake(photoshoped) or served to dilute the real one, but something doesn't match with their position on training story.

Also those poor natives must be in desperation or enormous boredom to organise this one as a hoax. It is in probability range but so many not match angles on this.

In my gut feeling some other Natives are paying attention right now to the situation.

[Atlas]

What really happened at Jackhead
by Rutkowski

B1UARQHVrWE

[Atlas]

Blake Cousin of Third Phase of The Moon: Jackhead Chief denies all of it

dI0nRfSNkFg
Jackhead Chief says:

"None of our people have been detained [...] That's just rumors and propaganda".

[Atlas]

What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all. [...] I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above (citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.
FYI, here are some of the books written by Chris Rutkowski:

https://mywithershins.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/chris-rutkowski.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/76531_115032078561324_3093205_n.jpg?oh=a05b2ae1ed9447b8c825d4c8cee0a739&oe=55952746&__gda__=1435517017_1e485d36885d96ccc118caee92212c50

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-Rutkowski-writer/115025698561962

[Tyy1907]

Well I guess we had our own exercise on this thread here didn't we ahahahahahahhahahahaha......................haha..............:o:confused:

[Tangri]

What really happened at Jackhead
by Rutkowski

B1UARQHVrWE

I believe he is Canadian but he is not talking like one.

He is saying "military training exercise was not on Indian's land but it was on the lake". If I were American or European citizen I would understand that, subject lake belong the military.
I believe he never had a fishing permit in Canada.

"Reserve lands may not be seized legally, nor is the personal property of a band or a band member living on a reserve subject to "charge, pledge, mortgage, attachment, levy, seizure distress or execution in favour or at the instance of any person other than an Indian or a band" (section 89 (1) of the[17]GCa (1985), Indian Act, Government of Canada"
We believe that the legal principles established in the American case law, which recognize Aboriginal rights to lands under waters, applies equally in Manitoba. Therefore, Aboriginal title continues in force unless and until it can be demonstrated by the Crown that it has been surrendered validly by treaty. In addition, we have concluded that many of the reserves established pursuant to the treaties include adjacent waters.

First Nations also possess riparian rights. This means that First Nations and the Metis have the legal authority to protest any use of water that diminishes the quality or quantity of water available to them. The existence of these Aboriginal rights to water, of course, may have a significant impact on those hydro-electric projects throughout the province that dramatically affect water levels or water quality. All environmental management licences that permit companies to pollute waters should be subject to Aboriginal water rights.
edit Well Subject is little confusing when Manitoba on the table.
Migratory Birds Convention Act ("breaches of Aboriginal and treaty rights ",Supreme Court of Canada decisions in the 1960)

"Since most reserves were situated next to bodies of water for fishing, transportation and domestic consumption purposes, it is logical to infer that the reserve included at least a portion of the surrounding waters as well as the land itself."

This is tricky part, federal government may use body of water. Although Existing Aboriginal rights to water and beds of waters be recognized by the federal and provincial governments.

[huyi82]

I don't understand, why are two different ufis being shown? Has it been confirmed that two ufos have crashed at the site?

[MorningSong]

I really don't want to add more fuel to the fire, but... I saw this today on spaceweather.com and went, "hmmm... maybe the military were prepping for possible space junk reaching the ground"?


CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY (UPDATED): On Monday night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014. Donny Mott photographed the glowing debris from Spirit Lake, Idaho:

http://spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/reentry_strip.jpg

Mott was watching a display of auroras around 10 pm local time when the fragments flew by. "It was super bright," he says. "You can see it breaking up in these 4 images I took 10 seconds apart."

Another photographer, John Arnold, caught the meteor flying over Craig, Montana: photos.

According to satellite tracking expert Ted Molczan, "there are confirmed sightings from Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta. The most southerly observation I have noted so far was from Scottsdale, Arizona; the most northerly from Didsbury, Alberta. That spans nearly 3000 km of the descent." Molczan has prepared a map of sightings along with the ground track of the decaying rocket body:

http://spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/map_strip.jpg

The re-entering rocket body traveled from south to north. One of the first sightings was made by NASA's all-sky meteor camera at the MMT Observatory near Tucson, AZ. "We caught the object just as it was entering the atmosphere," says Bill Cooke of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. A movie shows the rocket body, apparently still in one piece, moving slowly across the sky as it brightens to magnitude -4 (about the same as Venus). By the time the rocket body reached the US-Canadian border, it was in many pieces. Molczan says "the approximate toe of the debris footprint (should any have survived to impact Earth) would be well into Canada."

Monitor the realtime photo gallery for more sightings:

[lucidity]

Blake Cousin of Third Phase of The Moon: Jackhead Chief denies all of it

dI0nRfSNkFg
Jackhead Chief says:

"None of our people have been detained [...] That's just rumors and propaganda".

Hello Siblings,

Actually NO!
This is not an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

And if you listen carefully the person interviewed denies being David
(the chief) and says (of the chief) "he's not in".
The interviewer fails to register this and continues on with
the interviewer anyway.
This is not, as billed, an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

Listen carefully to the 10 second segment from 01:19

01.19 [?????] Hello
01:20 [Blake] Hello. How you doing David?
01:22 [?????] No
01:23 [Blake] Yeah I'm looking for David ....
01:24 [?????] Yeah. No. It's the errrr chief and he's err not in.
01:27 [Blake] Hey i was wondering if err.. [sniff] ... Hey Chief i was just err
... I'm calling from the state of Hawaii....etc.

This could be an interview with any old Tom, Dick or Agent Harry.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[lucidity]

What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all. [...] I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above (citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.
FYI, here are some of the books written by Chris Rutkowski:

https://mywithershins.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/chris-rutkowski.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/76531_115032078561324_3093205_n.jpg?oh=a05b2ae1ed9447b8c825d4c8cee0a739&oe=55952746&__gda__=1435517017_1e485d36885d96ccc118caee92212c50

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-Rutkowski-writer/115025698561962

This is amusing.

I think it's a great cover for a disinfo agent to be a member of some UFO group
and to have published several UFO books.

In fact, if I was planning disinfo resources to cope with future 'incidents'
this is exactly the kind of cover i'd set up. Having an appropriately
experienced, appropriately placed 'agent' would maximise the credibility
of the source of any future denials i might wish to circulate.

What's more amusing is that someone has gone to the trouble
to produce videos on youtube suggesting that Chris Rutkowski
is a reptilian shapeshifter.

I kid you not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn3E2XrWBdw

How many other UFO investigators are accused of this ?
Normally this accusation is levelled at people at the highest
levels of the political or military hierarchy.

Isn't it odd that the first UFO researcher to publicise conclusions
(somewhat prematurely) on this matter denies it's validity.

Isn't it also strange that this same UFO researcher is the subject
of a video suggesting he's a reptilian shapeshifter ?

It's ridiculously amusing.

I haven't read any of this guy's books.
I've no idea in what direction his books lean.
For example, on the issue of alien abductions, what conclusion does
he come to? Does he say abductees are having fantasies and probably
there's nothing really to this ? Does he say we should believe what
these witnesses are telling us and that something worrying is going on ?

If anyone has read this guy's books, i would be very interested to hear.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Flash]

I really don't want to add more fuel to the fire, but... I saw this today on spaceweather.com and went, "hmmm... maybe the military were prepping for possible space junk reaching the ground"?


CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY (UPDATED): On Monday night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014. Donny Mott photographed the glowing debris from Spirit Lake, Idaho:

http://spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/reentry_strip.jpg

Mott was watching a display of auroras around 10 pm local time when the fragments flew by. "It was super bright," he says. "You can see it breaking up in these 4 images I took 10 seconds apart."

Another photographer, John Arnold, caught the meteor flying over Craig, Montana: photos.

According to satellite tracking expert Ted Molczan, "there are confirmed sightings from Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta. The most southerly observation I have noted so far was from Scottsdale, Arizona; the most northerly from Didsbury, Alberta. That spans nearly 3000 km of the descent." Molczan has prepared a map of sightings along with the ground track of the decaying rocket body:

http://spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/map_strip.jpg

The re-entering rocket body traveled from south to north. One of the first sightings was made by NASA's all-sky meteor camera at the MMT Observatory near Tucson, AZ. "We caught the object just as it was entering the atmosphere," says Bill Cooke of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. A movie shows the rocket body, apparently still in one piece, moving slowly across the sky as it brightens to magnitude -4 (about the same as Venus). By the time the rocket body reached the US-Canadian border, it was in many pieces. Molczan says "the approximate toe of the debris footprint (should any have survived to impact Earth) would be well into Canada."

Monitor the realtime photo gallery for more sightings:

I sincerely think you nailed it.

[Tyy1907]

The war for our minds conti nues.....

[Cinta]

..i wonder when they will actually be forced to put something about this on mainstream media...not seen anything so far..but im watching.. ;)

[Tangri]

I really don't want to add more fuel to the fire, but... I saw this today on spaceweather.com and went, "hmmm... maybe the military were prepping for possible space junk reaching the ground"?


CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY (UPDATED): On Monday night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014. Donny Mott photographed the glowing debris from Spirit Lake, Idaho:
By the time the rocket body reached the US-Canadian border, it was in many pieces. Molczan says "the approximate toe of the debris footprint (should any have survived to impact Earth) would be well into Canada."

Monitor the realtime photo gallery for more sightings:

I sincerely think you nailed it.

Sorry Flash,

I think he/she nailed something else.:rolleyes:

Subject event occurred at Feb 18 2015

[Tangri]

What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all. [...] I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above (citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.
FYI, here are some of the books written by Chris Rutkowski:

https://mywithershins.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/chris-rutkowski.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/76531_115032078561324_3093205_n.jpg?oh=a05b2ae1ed9447b8c825d4c8cee0a739&oe=55952746&__gda__=1435517017_1e485d36885d96ccc118caee92212c50

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-Rutkowski-writer/115025698561962

This is amusing.

I think it's a great cover for a disinfo agent to be a member of some UFO group
and to have published several UFO books.

In fact, if I was planning disinfo resources to cope with future 'incidents'
this is exactly the kind of cover i'd set up. Having an appropriately
experienced, appropriately placed 'agent' would maximise the credibility
of the source of any future denials i might wish to circulate.

What's more amusing is that someone has gone to the trouble
to produce videos on youtube suggesting that Chris Rutkowski
is a reptilian shapeshifter.

I kid you not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn3E2XrWBdw

How many other UFO investigators are accused of this ?
Normally this accusation is levelled at people at the highest
levels of the political or military hierarchy.

Isn't it odd that the first UFO researcher to publicise conclusions
(somewhat prematurely) on this matter denies it's validity.

Isn't it also strange that this same UFO researcher is the subject
of a video suggesting he's a reptilian shapeshifter ?

It's ridiculously amusing.

I haven't read any of this guy's books.
I've no idea in what direction his books lean.
For example, on the issue of alien abductions, what conclusion does
he come to? Does he say abductees are having fantasies and probably
there's nothing really to this ? Does he say we should believe what
these witnesses are telling us and that something worrying is going on ?

If anyone has read this guy's books, i would be very interested to hear.

be happy

lucidity :-)

Strangely, I felt same thing about him when I opposed his video but did not go far to search for him and his writings.

He was agreed on military explanation with untruth confirmation.

[Tangri]

..i wonder when they will actually be forced to put something about this on mainstream media...not seen anything so far..but im watching.. ;)

You won't.

Canadian mainstream media already cover the story and killed it with just military exercise explanation. Also UFO community got it's part of it.
I am very sorry to see that no one reads between-lines.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994

The bright light that people saw, he explained, came from an airplane that takes off very quickly.(how quickly and which aircraft?)

"From a distance it may have looked like it was going straight up in the air, but it wasn't," he said. "It was just us out there playing our games."

Read the between lines

[Atlas]

Blake Cousin of Third Phase of The Moon: Jackhead Chief denies all of it

Jackhead Chief says:

"None of our people have been detained [...] That's just rumors and propaganda".

Actually NO!
This is not an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

And if you listen carefully the person interviewed denies being David (the chief) and says (of the chief) "he's not in".
The interviewer fails to register this and continues on with the interviewer anyway.
This is not, as billed, an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

Listen carefully to the 10 second segment from 01:19

01.19 [?????] Hello
01:20 Hello. How you doing David?
01:22 [?????] No
01:23 [Blake] Yeah I'm looking for David ....
01:24 [?????] Yeah. No. It's the errrr chief and he's err not in.
01:27 [Blake] Hey i was wondering if err.. [sniff] ... Hey Chief i was just err
... I'm calling from the state of Hawaii....etc.


Thanks for the update. Here is what SeashoreMary posted about this:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

After carefully listening to the recording, ThirdPhaseofMoon did not speak with the Chief of First Nations. Blake Cousins from ThirdPhaseofMoon didn’t instantly capture the male response in reply to “Is David in?” The male person indicated “No.”

However, during the conversation, this person never corrected Blake Cousins that he wasn’t the Chief and never confirmed his own name. However, yes, I believe the male answering the incoming call was a person or a part of the office.

The male person basically denied that anything of a UFO downed craft happened. He kept stating he hadn’t heard anything about it. He did basically confirm that a military exercise had taken place. He used terms like “skiddoo” and “bombadier” were in the area. The very words used in the Facebook entries by Facebook user Apee Traverse whom I now believe started the conversation (Facebook screenshot below).

According to the list of Chiefs of Manitoba, David Traverse is the Jackhead Chief for First Nation Kinonjeoshtegonm.

https://seashoremary.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/ufo-jackhead-reservation-chiefs.jpg

I have questions for what went down and some may never be adequately answered.

Was it a hoax all along? A joke carelessly perpetrated by people on Facebook? What about the honest fishermen?

What about Marc? The concerned person who started the mystery by calling into the ThirdPhaseofMoon offices to report the downed UFO craft last week? Is he genuine? In relistening to the entire conversation–he sounds credible. Will he call back in or will Blake Cousins follow up?

What about the photos leaked? Why go to all that extent to create one, no three, assuming they’re fake? What about the Facebook entries? I already know that Brent Mancheese received his “share” from Apee Traverse:

https://seashoremary.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/ufo-jackhead-apee-traverse-back-to-adeline-travers-ck-thomas-v-ron-2-18-4-35-pm.jpg
https://seashoremary.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/ufo-jackhead-apee-traverse-pt-2.jpg

Relisten to all the audio received now condensed into one video recording for complete reference:

“Media Black Out” UFO CRASH? [JACKHEAD] Canada Raw UN-Edited Coverage!~2015
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[B]Summary:

Do I believe that this entire episode mystery was perpertrated by ThirdPhaseofMoon? No. Too elaborate and too many people involved. ThirdPhaseofMoon is headquartered in Hawaii and well, Jackhead is in Canada. ThirdPhaseofMoon did exactly as I did–report and ask questions.

Something did happen. It was never disputed that the military was involved in the area conducting what? A military exercise in weather conditions minus 40 to minus 50, whom according to one of the callers almost never takes place in that particular area and if military accesses the territory, they would require clearance from the tribal council.

We may never know until someone comes forward with genuine evidence.

I’ll leave it as an unsolved mystery–you decide.

Blessings,

SeashoreMary

https://seashoremary.wordpress.com/tag/ufo-craft-jackhead/

[giovonni]

hmm ...

SeashoreMary ... ;)

yes she use to be a member here.

she's currently an active member over at 'The Mist of Avalon' forum.

[Atlas]

APRIL 23, 2009
Jackhead Chief Traverse charged with fraud

David Traverse, chief of Kinonjeoshtegon (Jackhead) First Nation, is accused of stealing $16,000 from the now-defunct Anishinaabe Mino-Ayaawin (AMA) Inc. in September and October of 2000. [...]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/manitoba/2009/04/23/9212596-sun.html
-------------------------------------------------

So... the local ufologist and the local chief are not to be trusted...

and it seems like even the locals were "paid off"...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/jackheadlocal1.gif

:confused:

[giovonni]

I Wanna Believe - But ...




Winnipeg UFO Crash Landing ?

From LipTV

"A UFO shaped like a pyramid has allegedly crash landed into Lake Winnipeg in Canada. Witnesses have reported seeing military forces on snowmobiles pulling a large disc out of the lake while the whole area in Manitoba, Canada on the Jackhead Reservation is now reportedly on lockdown. Is the Canadian government trying to cover something up? We look at a photo taken of the alleged UFO and discuss the conspiracy surrounding it, in this Lip News clip with Mark Sovel, Elliot Hill, and Jo Ankier."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLU9bHdpPwQ


And Speaking of UFO's ...

From last night locally here in the Northwest

Some Space Junk From Chinese

http://khq.images.worldnow.com/images/6818834_G.jpg

***

"CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY: Last night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014" ...

http://khq.images.worldnow.com/images/6825303_G.jpg


http://www.spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/map_strip.jpg

Source (http://www.spaceweather.com/)

[giovonni]

Space-stuff falls from the sky all the time folks ...

And there's an awful lot of it.

PS ~ And they say my threads are Endless ... :p

[Atlas]

Here is clear evidence (that the locals were "paid off" to help the military cover up the whole story):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/rhonda-traverse.gif

From:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/Apee-Traverse.gif

Source: https://www.facebook.com/ApeeJT

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

Should we be impressed and persuaded that there are
people on social media saying it was joke ?

Should we be surprised that a local UFO researcher
comes to a startlingly rapid conclusion that there's
no UFO story here (before the evidence is really in)?

Should we be surprised that long inactive members
turn up out of the blue to supply a reaction to this?

How about the contradictory stories coming from the
military themselves ?
=> It's just a training exercise.
=> It's a downed aircraft
=> We were making a temporary runway

and these military quotes:


The bright light that people saw, he explained,
came from an airplane that takes off very quickly.

"From a distance it may have looked like it was going
straight up in the air, but it wasn't," he said.
"It was just us out there playing our games."


Perhaps next we'll her that it was a weather balloon,
or swamp gas, or how about the Orford Ness Lighthouse ?

We know what the military do in these circumstances.
They go round and threaten people... with imprisonment and death.
At the Rendlesham Forest case they injected their own military
personnel with drugs that wipe out their memory.
(Never agree to this, it causes permanent brain damage)

So with this in mind, is it any surprise that we have people
on social media saying 'yeah.. it was all a joke' ?

My confident prediction is that this incident is going to blow up.
Something's going to leak out. Video, pictures, testimony.
This Chris Rutkowski character is going to get caught out.
Someone should go and interview him. Start off by asking
him questions about his views on integrity and honesty.
That will provide some interesting clips after the story
really breaks.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Atlas]

I think you are missing the point here lucidity, please do your own research before posting wild speculation with nothing to back it up, thanks.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Crash-site.jpg

[Carmody]

I have, in my mind and... it's pretty far advanced compared to most, in clarity on the subject of dimensional and anti gravity craft......and for the life of me, I cannot find any reason whatsoever to make a flying craft in the shape of a stacked pyramid.

The stacked pyramid shape only makes sense when being a physical shape on the ground (surface of a planetoid), for specific purposes in design and execution.

It would be like humans making airplanes in the shape of the Michelin man. No purpose, no reason.

http://png-2.vector.me/files/images/7/0/702451/michelin_thumb.png

[Bob]

I'm waiting for this image to hit the "UFO" circles... from Mesa Arizona


http://0e33611cb8e6da737d5c-e13b5a910e105e07f9070866adaae10b.r15.cf1.rackcdn.com/Jasper-Nance-Eastern-Red-Glow---Mesa-AZ-2_1424871844_lg.jpg

Lithium dust sounding rocket - a Nasa Terrier-Black Brank rocket.

(Source (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150225/news/150229189/))


News outlets in Arizona reported that residents in Phoenix, Tucson, Lake Havasu City and Flagstaff reported seeing the cloud.

The rocket carried an atmospheric-research payload designed by scientists and engineers at a space-vehicles research lab at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque.

White Sands officials said the rocket's release of vapor into the near-vacuum of space was intended to help study processes responsible for the formation of the Earth's ionosphere.

That's a region of space where electrons naturally separate from molecules and float separately to create an ionized gas.

The experiment, which also involved using ground stations to take measurements of the ionosphere, was intended to develop scientific explanations for ionospheric disturbances and their effects on modern technology, officials said.

The rocket was provided under a Department of Defense test program at Kirtland, while a NASA rocket program provided technical expertise for its assembly and other parts of the mission.

The launch was postponed from Monday because of weather.

Metals used for different air-luminescence phenomenon

(Source (http://www.fireworks.com/fireworks-university/pyrotechnic-compounds/))

Red Strontium (intense red)
Lithium (medium red)

Compounds: SrCO3 (strontium carbonate)
Li2CO3 (lithium carbonate) LiCl (lithium chloride)

It seems easy to see that anything that is not regularly expected, can be construed to become 'anything' that one want's it to be to fulfill a desire or outcome.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_desire) (From the Philosophy of Desire)

[Tangri]

I Wanna Believe - But ...




Winnipeg UFO Crash Landing ?

From LipTV

"A UFO shaped like a pyramid has allegedly crash landed into Lake Winnipeg in Canada. Witnesses have reported seeing military forces on snowmobiles pulling a large disc out of the lake while the whole area in Manitoba, Canada on the Jackhead Reservation is now reportedly on lockdown. Is the Canadian government trying to cover something up? We look at a photo taken of the alleged UFO and discuss the conspiracy surrounding it, in this Lip News clip with Mark Sovel, Elliot Hill, and Jo Ankier."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLU9bHdpPwQ


And Speaking of UFO's ...

From last night locally here in the Northwest

Some Space Junk From Chinese



***

"CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY: Last night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014" ...

http://khq.images.worldnow.com/images/6825303_G.jpg


http://www.spaceweather.com/images2015/24feb15/map_strip.jpg

Source (http://www.spaceweather.com/)

They are all orange colours but not oranges.;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80143-UFO-CRASH-IN-CANADA-on-18-Feb-2015&p=937037&viewfull=1#post937037

[giovonni]

Read the between lines

Tangri ...

I did, but the bottom line says you got nothing.

[Tangri]

Read the between lines

Tangri ...

I did, but the bottom line says you got nothing.

giovonni....



Well, bottom line is, I can not make you to see it. Maybe I should write it like this to ease your comprehension. "Read between lines(not literately)

This is a Canadian native Indians land, maybe hardest angle you do not understand is their rights, which is different than American Indians'.

1 quick question to you. " Can American military do a military training in your Ranch and lands an airplane there?"

They are talking "bright light came from an airplane (landed on the frozen lake in Indian reserve?) and takes off very quickly.

They said soldiers are training to deal with a plane crash and provide ground search and rescue support in the Arctic.
The bright light that people saw, he explained, came from an airplane that takes off very quickly.(how quickly and which aircraft?)

"From a distance it may have looked like it was going straight up in the air, but it wasn't," he said. "It was just us out there playing our games."(playing games at someone else' backyard? Is it common for an american?)

Read the between lines(not literally)

If you read my previous writings(Posts) I never claimed it was an ET or UFO. (Maybe we should accept as a UGO)

[Aspen]

apparently David Wilcock believes the crash in Canada was real. . .. and he claims that there is currently a no fly zone declared around the earth and any cabal members trying to leave the planet are being shot down. . . .
I think it was on Coast to Coast today. Would explain a lot . . .
"

THINGS ARE GETTING EVER-INCREASINGLY WILD ON THE INSIDE TRACK

Right now there is a war going on in space, directly over our heads. It really heated up in mid-December of last year and is ongoing.

That war is reaching a decisive tipping-point. It appears that it will turn out very favorably for the vast majority of everyone on earth.

In fact, it appears that it is already impossible for the Cabal to win this. Time still has to play out before it is visible to everyone, but the end is almost certain.

Many of the power elite groups on this planet are in a state of complete chaos and turmoil as a result.

Events unfolding on earth could be seen as a "proxy war" between groups of "good guys" or angels and "bad guys" operating in, with and around Earth.

"Good" and "Bad" is obviously a question of your perspective. From the elite Cabal perspective, what is happening to them is very bad.

However, the people who are fighting against the Cabal do very much seem to have humanity's best interests in mind.

This alliance is a combination of earth governments, earth-based factions of the space program, and newly-arrived ETs who mean business.



CLOAKED SHIPS GETTING SHOT DOWN

It appears that major events are about to unfold on earth, involving the exposure and defeat of the Cabal.

This appears to be coming in the form of vastly greater disclosures from the Snowden documents than what we have seen so far, among many other things.

The "good guy" ETs have now enforced a no-fly zone around the earth. Any high-level Cabal people who try to fly out are being shot down.

Their ships are cloaked, but when one of them gets shot down, we hear about epic meteor sightings -- and then the cleanup crews rush in.

There have been a number of very high-profile and unusual "meteors" lately -- including daylight-bright flashes of light, sonic booms and the ground shaking for up to 15 seconds upon impact.



UPDATE, NEXT MORNING: THE CALIFORNIA "BIZARRE FIREBALL"

We've already got the "David Has No Proof!" comments coming in. Now that I've had a chance to sleep, here's some of what we know.

One recent example from January 6th, covered by the Daily Mail, was seen in California.

There was open speculation that this was "a UFO crashing, ejecting a miniature spacecraft."
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1174-disclosure-history

[DNA]

I'm waiting for this image to hit the "UFO" circles... from Mesa Arizona


http://0e33611cb8e6da737d5c-e13b5a910e105e07f9070866adaae10b.r15.cf1.rackcdn.com/Jasper-Nance-Eastern-Red-Glow---Mesa-AZ-2_1424871844_lg.jpg

Lithium dust sounding rocket - a Nasa Terrier-Black Brank rocket.

(Source (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150225/news/150229189/))


News outlets in Arizona reported that residents in Phoenix, Tucson, Lake Havasu City and Flagstaff reported seeing the cloud.

The rocket carried an atmospheric-research payload designed by scientists and engineers at a space-vehicles research lab at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque.

White Sands officials said the rocket's release of vapor into the near-vacuum of space was intended to help study processes responsible for the formation of the Earth's ionosphere.

That's a region of space where electrons naturally separate from molecules and float separately to create an ionized gas.

The experiment, which also involved using ground stations to take measurements of the ionosphere, was intended to develop scientific explanations for ionospheric disturbances and their effects on modern technology, officials said.

The rocket was provided under a Department of Defense test program at Kirtland, while a NASA rocket program provided technical expertise for its assembly and other parts of the mission.

The launch was postponed from Monday because of weather.

Metals used for different air-luminescence phenomenon

(Source (http://www.fireworks.com/fireworks-university/pyrotechnic-compounds/))

Red Strontium (intense red)
Lithium (medium red)

Compounds: SrCO3 (strontium carbonate)
Li2CO3 (lithium carbonate) LiCl (lithium chloride)

It seems easy to see that anything that is not regularly expected, can be construed to become 'anything' that one want's it to be to fulfill a desire or outcome.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_desire) (From the Philosophy of Desire)

I took a picture of that with my phone. My pics are not as good. It was still dark when I took mine.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...


Hopefully before the next fifty year ...
All this UFO stuff will become irrelevant ...

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Kecksburg_UFO-585x306.jpg

From Mysterious Universe

by Rick Redfern

The Kecksburg UFO – 50th Anniversary (http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/02/the-kecksburg-ufo-50th-anniversary/)

[Atlas]

Hit the road, Jack! Part 2 (by Chris Rutkowski)

The Jackhead “UFO Crash” story is much more interesting than first believed.

Oh, it’s still a hoax, but it may now be easier to pinpoint who the hoaxer is. As well, new details have emerged as to what happened on the night of February 18, 2015, near Jackhead First Nations, and why there were military vehicles there.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I have spoken a few times with officials on Jackhead First Nation, who not only denied there was anything to the rumours about evacuations, crashes and military crackdown, they even laughed at the silliness of the story. Yesterday, I reached out to another logical source for information: the military itself.

I had access to the news release about the military exercise called Arctic Bison 2015, so the details of what had been planned were well known. It was easy to see that a military operation over and on the lake could generate some UFO stories, so that seemed to explain the actual UFO sightings (or alleged UFO sightings, since no reports have been filed by any witnesses; all we have are second-hand stories that some lights and/or a craft was seen).

But what happened that night turned out to be exactly the Search and Rescue mission the military was training for!

The PR guy from the Air Force replied to me in a very open and straightforward manner, giving many details and providing links to photos of what transpired. (Of course, conspiracy buffs will insist that this transparency is exactly what the government would do as part of a disinformation scheme, but that’s for others to debate elsewhere.)

Derek, the military PR guy, wrote:


“I really appreciate you looking into this a little further and looking for confirmed facts – as you can imagine, we’ve heard some pretty wild things this past week.”

[Conspiracy buffs note: “The military thanking a UFO researcher. Yeah, as if that would ever happen.”]

Immediately, Derek answered a question that some UFO buffs were asking, namely, “What aircraft was seen?” He replied:


“The aircraft involved in the exercise was a Twin Otter from 440 Squadron - great plane for this terrain, you can see it on the ice on our Flickr. I had a chance to fly in it and land on the lake with the skis - very cool experience…”

And here’s the plane:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uXulQDTUQUc/VOyoiKHAdVI/AAAAAAAAAlg/zfH6HBSmBxU/s1600/otter.jpg

Yes, that’s right, we have a photo of the plane. Because the military has a Flickr account. Why?


“I was out with a camera team from Shaw on Thursday, which was the last day the Twin Otter was participating (flew back to Yellowknife on Friday I believe). This is some of the irony - we have nothing to hide, in fact we're trying to tell as many Manitobans/Canadians as possible what we're up to! Thus the Flickr site, news release, media visit...my job in general!”

He recognized the irony; the military thought it was being as transparent as possible, and still, hoaxers decided this was an opportunity to enflame conspiracy buffs about a non-existent cover-up! (Shaw, BTW, is a TV network in Canada.)

Here's another photo from the military operation:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xwz3OYjGHfs/VOytaaRketI/AAAAAAAAAmA/oS7uHOBrHWc/s1600/arcticbison2.jpg

And yes, not only do they have a Flickr account, they’re also on Facebook and they even invited a TV news camera crew to be embedded during the training exercises. Not your usual cover-up and lockdown technique.

Oh, and James Bezan (left), the local member of the Canadian Parliament and also Secretary to the Minister of Defence was also present when Arctic Bison 2015 was begun and briefed on the entire exercise:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wm_Q5YwoXz0/VOywJwJ8WBI/AAAAAAAAAmU/9149uGpeMDk/s1600/bezan1.jpg

So this was all planned long in advance of anything ever being reported from Jackhead. The news release went out on the 17th, the day before, but the environmental assessment had been conducted long before. (I can imagine trying to get someone from the Defence department out to inspect the troops takes some planning.)

However, what happened at Jackhead? Well, it turns out that, as I had reasoned, the military operations had nothing to do with the community onshore―until there was a snag.

I mentioned this was extreme weather conditions, right? In fact, so extreme, the military’s own snowmobiles broke down! (Good thing they were doing the exercise for practice!)

Derek explained:


“Some of the confusion stemmed from the original route not passing through/by Jackhead. We had not made contact with the community leaders there in advance. Once snowmobiles stopped working due to extreme cold, we needed road access to get them off the lake―this happened to be Jackhead. As soon as we knew we would have trucks passing through Jackhead, I advised my boss to make contact with the local leaders to let them know.”

So, as their news release explains, they normally liaise with local communities they will be approaching, but since they had not planned to go to Jackhead, they didn’t do that. Until they were in serious trouble.

Hence, the military trucks on the Jackhead road and entering the community. But they did ask when it happened, apparently, since it was an emergency.

And as for the stories of photos and “evacuation”… Derek noted:

“As for restricting access, telling people to stay away, or not to take photos―I would be surprised if anything remotely like this happened. I did hear some of the troops were nervous when they came across people taking photos, but only because they thought they were being scouted to potentially have their gear stolen.”
(Incidentally, that actually has occurred in other situations!)

So, whether or not you believe the military explanation, it does fill in many details and answer many of the questions people have about the Jackhead incident. Witnesses may have seen the plane take off and land, and that would explain the observations of lights either ascending or descending. (Again, however, no one has actually made a report to this effect.)

As for the stories of UFOs over the lake and Jackhead on February 22, the last day of the military exercise, I had thought that this could have been from the wrap-up of the operations at Gimli, perhaps flying past Jackhead.

Derek noted:

“Feb 22nd was somewhat the last day in the sense that everything was wrapped up and everyone on the road back to their hometowns. The Arctic Response Company Group is made up of Reservist soldiers from across Sask, Man, NW Ont. Everyone was back to Winnipeg by last night (except maybe some last minute cleanup of the headquarters in Gimli), so any activity on the lake last night would not have been us. I am aware of search and rescue training done by the SAR squadrons in the Lake Winnipeg area (I believe you mention this on your site), but not sure about last night.”
So it wasn’t them, if anything was seen at all.

Why am I doubting the reports of UFO activity? Because the reports of UFOs seen may be themselves hoaxes.

Derek pointed out:

“Finally, one of the photos of the lake is blatantly photoshopped. I googled 'frozen lake winnipeg' to show someone what pressure ridges look like, and lo and behold there's one of the photos but without the foreign object on it.”
He provided the link: http://betweenbrushstrokes.com/2012/02/21/lake-winnipeg-in-february/

And sure enough, if you compare the photo of broken ice on the lake with the accompanying “crashed UFO” that has been circulating, with the photo taken by a nature photographer three years ago, they match.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vQN39QdKQZ0/VOyp5g-qt0I/AAAAAAAAAl0/WPe5rjndXT8/s1600/notjackheadice2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DEsc3V_L_Is/VOypvcLMJAI/AAAAAAAAAls/rNN5xu_WC50/s1600/jackheadice2.jpg

So, whomever uploaded the “UFO crash” photo deliberately extended the hoax by photoshopping a "stepped pyramid" spacecraft into the original photo. Go ahead, take some time to play with the images and line them up. I'll wait.

And here's the "artists' conception" of the crashed spacecraft.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hu_mHlCSWY4/VOytr0u7z1I/AAAAAAAAAmI/DSiKMH-Mo24/s1600/jackhead4b.jpg

Okay, since some of the verbiage regarding witnesses seeing UFOs and being evacuated and told not to say anything, etc., was in accompaniment of the hoax UFO crash photo, I wonder if any of it is true.

In summary: there was no UFO crash. There were military exercises. No one on Jackhead was carted off or anything for taking photos of a crash that didn't occur. It's all a series of fabrications.

The Internet is broken.

http://uforum.blogspot.ca/

[Tangri]

Thank you buares,

Chris Rutkowski did decent move, to follow up after his first and quick reports.

My concern was not limited in this case.

Think like this :

Yesterday I woke up very early and went backyard to pick up some apple from of my apple tree for breakfast, I hit a military tank. I ask the driver what he was doing in my backyard. He said ,He is not in my back yard, last night rain made some puddle and he is training in that puddle he was upset to me because I could steal his equipment while he is on duty. I didn't dare to ask him if someone dropped him from air or he just trespassed my yard to come on that puddle.

If it was an UFO,UGO case or a military force hostage the local inhabitants, how we would investigate that. Are we going to ask correct questions and quickly help those who need our out side help(in some case supposedly hoaxer could be a real victim)

I still have unsatisfied angles on this(but it is not related with UFO,or UGO)

Derek explained:
“Some of the confusion stemmed from the original route not passing through/by Jackhead. We had not made contact with the community leaders there in advance. Once snowmobiles stopped working due to extreme cold, we needed road access to get them off the lake―this happened to be Jackhead. As soon as we knew we would have trucks passing through Jackhead, I advised my boss to make contact with the local leaders to let them know.”

Some of the confusion stemmed from the original route not passing through/by Jackhead Ok then My question is "Is it correct that your not passing through route was in the Indian territory?

As soon as we knew we would have trucks passing through Jackhead, I advised my boss to make contact with the local leaders to let them know.

Did your Boss comply your advice? If he /she did not, can we ask him directly(since he took all responsibility for his decision)

Derek noted:
“As for restricting access, telling people to stay away, or not to take photos―I would be surprised if anything remotely like this happened. I did hear some of the troops were nervous when they came across people taking photos, but only because they thought they were being scouted to potentially have their gear stolen.”

some of the troops were nervous when they came across people taking photos, but only because they thought they were being scouted to potentially have their gear stolen.

This statement doesn't seem a PR person's speaking since it discriminate locals with presumption followed by accusation (Incidentally, that actually has occurred in other situations!)

My point is
If there is unknown activity for unauthorized action, how far can we go to investigate it? A training exercise most likely turns emergency responds in the future, if locals are not informed.

[Rozzy]

The Canadian Gov can lie just as good as the U.S.

[jackovesk]

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09 Mar 2015 | Written by Kerry Cassidy

This is an interesting case in so far as the Canadian military had to be mobilized to such a degree in order to "recover" either a UFO craft they shot down or one our secret space program vehicles that crashed. Either way, they are having a terrible time with the coverup.

And apparently the craft was seen a week before in the skies above Manitoba...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1no-rDLJg
Anyone with information they would like to share feel free to contact me at kerry@projectcamelot.tv

The crash:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YWkhZwHK8s&feature=player_embedded
http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/31-kerrys-blog/2469-canadian-ufo-recovery-case

[Cidersomerset]

Military or emergency training exercise , fits all cover up excuse...LOL

http://www.reopen911.info/News/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Amalgam-Virgo-600-w.jpg





http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/40165022/ufo_crash_retrieval_team_black_tshirt.jpg?height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true

http://www.hidden-truth.org/cache/mod_bt_contentslider/c6a03cbd32d91eb1a1d2007b9606cf73-arizona_crash.jpg

[thepainterdoug]

anything coming from third phase of moon is suspect according to many. I'm not sure why but they seems to have a bad reputation. years ago it used to be pictures that didn't lie. today it seems pictures cannot be trusted and witnesses a more reliable source.
id like to hear more??

[Fellow Aspirant]

Third Phase of Moon is infamous for its fraudulent claims. You can easily find sites where they have been exposed for the con artists they are with a simple search online. Here's one search, yielding a plethora of examples of such outright lies ...

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=third+phase+of+moon+hoax

Cheers,

Brian

[sirdipswitch]

I quit watching Thirdphaseofmoon when I discovered they have a business making fake CGI UFO videos.

[Tyy1907]

When they say"you saw it here first on third phase" it's a red flag for me.

[ghostrider]

most of the craft seen are secret military technology ... the plejaren say the three groups that observe Earth , work together and rarely leave for cosmic space , hence they believe the ET's are permanently stationed here ...

[lucidity]

I quit watching Thirdphaseofmoon when I discovered they have a business making fake CGI UFO videos.

Sounds like an unsupported smear.
Do you have any evidence of that ?

be happy

lucidity :-)

[lucidity]

anything coming from third phase of moon is suspect according to many. I'm not sure why but they seems to have a bad reputation. years ago it used to be pictures that didn't lie. today it seems pictures cannot be trusted and witnesses a more reliable source.
id like to hear more??

Is this a groundless smear ?
Who are the many ? Where's your evidence ?
Your argument seems to be appealing to what
'other' (nameless) people are saying or thinking.
As if your saying: "don't trust this source because
other people don't trust this source"

be happy

lucidity :-)

[lucidity]

When they say"you saw it here first on third phase" it's a red flag for me.

It sounds to me like they are simply copying what the reporters on
the American news networks say when they have a 'scoop' story'

[lucidity]

Third Phase of Moon is infamous for its fraudulent claims. You can easily find sites where they have been exposed for the con artists they are with a simple search online. Here's one search, yielding a plethora of examples of such outright lies ...

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=third+phase+of+moon+hoax

Cheers,

Brian

You've not provided any evidence of
"....a plethora of examples of such outright lies"
Your link to a google search for these keywords: third phase of moon hoax
And the google page that loads is of:
1. A third phase of the moon youtube video of some UFO photo taken in S. America.
2. Some british guy talking to camera saying he has his doubts
3. The Third Phase of the Moon facebook page
4. A Before it's new article claiming that TPOM had published videos
that, in the opinion of the article writer, were fake.

There's no convincing evidence here that TPOM have lied or have
deliberately faked evidence.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Hervé]

09 Mar 2015 | Written by Kerry Cassidy

This is an interesting case in so far as the Canadian military had to be mobilized...

[...]

Hello jacko,

Threads merged.

PS: Fresh from the cookie-cutter:

My guess is that, it's time for you to gain some mastery over the "Advanced Search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77629-Google-site-search-vs-built-in-search)" function one can find at the upper right corner of any Project Avalon page...

[Atlas]

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Posted by Apparently Apparel (http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/news/hawaii-ufo-hoaxers-thirdphaseofmoon-debunked):



Hawaii UFO Hoaxers Thirdphaseofmoon Debunked, 7/31/2013


Even the well known website Project Avalon has a forum about BEWARE channel Thirdphaseofmoon:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41634-Beware-channel-Thirdphaseofmoon


[...] Thirdphaseofmoon has been proven to create CGI videos.

In this clip thirdphase is acting like the interviewer.
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