Boris Nemstov murdered

[Ewan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061


In a recent interview, Mr Nemtsov had said he feared Mr Putin would have him killed because of his opposition to the war in Ukraine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/27/russia-boris-nemtsov-shot_n_6772212.html


In an interview with the Sobesednik newspaper, Nemtsov said earlier this month that his 86-year old mother was afraid that Putin could have him killed for his opposition activities. Asked if he had such fears himself, he responded by saying: "If I were afraid I wouldn't have led an opposition party."

No doubt what the western media would have us believe.

Personally I don't see how this helps Putin in the slightest.

[lucidity]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061


In a recent interview, Mr Nemtsov had said he feared Mr Putin would have him killed because of his opposition to the war in Ukraine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/27/russia-boris-nemtsov-shot_n_6772212.html


In an interview with the Sobesednik newspaper, Nemtsov said earlier this month that his 86-year old mother was afraid that Putin could have him killed for his opposition activities. Asked if he had such fears himself, he responded by saying: "If I were afraid I wouldn't have led an opposition party."

No doubt what the western media would have us believe.

Personally I don't see how this helps Putin in the slightest.

Hi Anakie,

I remember how the western media blamed Putin and imposed
sanctions on Russia over the downing of MH17... in the absence of
evidence. And then when satellite evidence showed it was the
Ukrainian military that shot down the plane... there was no retraction,
no apology and the sanctions on Russia remained in place.

The people that run the media believe that if they repeat a story
often enough it will become the truth for the majority of the population.
So i predict that unsubstantiated allegations concerning Putin's role
in this will play and play and play.

I also remember the garbage the western media offered up,
over and over and over again.
Saddam Hussein: Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Saddam Hussein: Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Saddam Hussein: Weapons of Mass Destruction.
And what a load of bullsh*t that turned out to be.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[cursichella1]

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No doubt what the western media would have us believe.

Personally I don't see how this helps Putin in the slightest.

I don't see how it can hurt him, either. The propaganda now against Putin is so ridiculously thick and blatant, even the most oblivious are beginning to disregard ANY anti-Russia/Putin news. Try as the West may to portray Putin as evil personified, they instead build him up as the victim of their junk accusations. The West is losing this propaganda war - their stupidity is surpassed only by their greed.

[Ewan]

I don't see how it can hurt him, either. The propaganda now against Putin is so ridiculously thick and blatant, even the most oblivious are beginning to disregard ANY anti-Russia/Putin news. Try as the West may to portray Putin as evil personified, they instead build him up as the victim of their junk accusations. The West is losing this propaganda war - their stupidity is surpassed only by their greed.

I would like to believe you are correct but I fear the average person in the street is not so discerning. Many still subscribe to the West is good and Russia, (Iran, China, anyone else), is evil paradigm

[cursichella1]

I don't see how it can hurt him, either. The propaganda now against Putin is so ridiculously thick and blatant, even the most oblivious are beginning to disregard ANY anti-Russia/Putin news. Try as the West may to portray Putin as evil personified, they instead build him up as the victim of their junk accusations. The West is losing this propaganda war - their stupidity is surpassed only by their greed.

I would like to believe you are correct but I fear the average person in the street is not so discerning. Many still subscribe to the West is good and Russia, (Iran, China, anyone else), is evil paradigm

I think initially that was the case. No one was as surprised as I was when my conservative and liberal colleagues burst into laughter last week over news of that week's Putin accusation, whatever it was. These are people that always file their taxes on time, vote along party lines and don't see chemtrails. If they see it, there's hope. :)

[poetbil]

real assassin has to be b e h i n d the obvious

[Olam]

Me thinks its Ukraine.
Easy, kill this guy and blame it on Putin.
He is a victim of war tacktics, not politics.

[Morbid]

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=937916#post937916

its rather evident that killing nemtsov has served only one side - another badly executed false flag. it seems that the cabal has thrown one of their expired puppets under the bus just ahead of the planned demonstration tomorrow led by liberal 'opposition' in moscow. the supporters of this 'opposition' have become a laughing stock in the eyes of most russian citizens as geopolitics become very well studied subject by most. im surprised by the fact that the followers of the movement cant notice that they are being quite blatantly manipulated. perhaps they are the children of the collapsed empire and are stuck in thinking that they are being opressed. sadly they fail to notice that the freedom they get in russian federation today far exceeds those abilities that they can execute in most western states.
well, their existence/purpose is understood. without them the majority would not see the weight and consequence of betrayal. social aspect of ussr collapse is a great example. though i strongly believe ussr should have ended - it could have been done with less consequences (civil wars, social degradation, robbery, rise of organised crime etc)

peace to all.

[BF88]

It is easier to cause a civil war by shooting one person in order defeat an enemy than it is to invade and defeat / occupy / steal resources etc. It was done to try and get the Russian people to get rid of Putin and his friends, or at least cause them some trouble to make their final goal easier. 10 points for anyone who can think of a country that operates in this way.

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

I've been reflecting on some of the 'suspect' deaths
that have occurred in recent times:
(1) the hopelessly incompetent cover up of the murder of Phil Schneider,
http://www.openminds.tv/phil-schneiders-incredible-et-claims/9982
(search for the subheading 'The death of Phil Schneider')
(2) The deaths of both Karla Turner and Barbara Bartolich
both dying from fast acting cancers after being repeatedly warned to 'shut up'.
(3) The suspiciously timed death of Alan Carr (Citizenfour interviews)
http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/31-kerrys-blog/2452-a-candle-in-the-wind-death-of-david-carr-post-snowden-interview
(4) The ridiculously improbable deaths of the entire Crowley family (Grey State film)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915939/Parents-five-year-old-daughter-dead-family-home-following-apparent-murder-suicide.html

....to name just 4.
Actually, the deaths among UFO researcher are so numerous, and suspicious,
that people have written books about this subject alone.
http://rense.com/general64/liquid.htm

It seems that there are a number of 'favoured' ways of getting
rid of people. Unexpected heart attacks, murders made to look
like suicide, fast acting cancers. Of-course, when these things
happen, the journalists look to the police or the medical
authorities for a cause of death and then neatly report it as:
'Researcher dies suddenly of heart attack'
'Person X past away after battling cancer'
'Person Y commits suicide'

The general idea seems to be to kill someone by poisoning
them (in some way)... which leads to a heart attack or cancer...
or killing them and making it look like suicide.
In either case an inattentive joe public attributes the cause of
death to the victim or to natural causes... and promptly forgets all about it.

Now here's the thing which is completely different about Boris' death.
He was clearly murdered, not secretly, but in broad daylight, in the
middle of a busy city whilst accompanied by friends.

If you wanted to quietly get rid of someone, this is not the way you'd do it.
Probably, _if_ Putin wanted Boris dead, he'd have arranged a heart attack
or a fast acting cancer... the usual ways and means would be employed.
It wouldn't attract too much attention and people would forget about it
one week later.

But gunning someone down, in the middle of the day, in the middle of
a busy city, with witnesses on hand to report the horror of it to journalists
and news cameras ? That looks like it's designed to create a media storm.

So on that basis, i really don't think Putin ordered it.
Who would benefit from the media storm, i wonder?

be happy

lucidity :-)

[poetbil]

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veteranstoday.com are arguing that it looks like the CIA did it
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/28/who-killed-boris-nemtsov/

[Morbid]

the shooting was made rather unprofessionally as non of the control shots were made. or perhaps it was being made to look like an unprofessional execution. investigation will show.

[M0JFK]

In the end Putin had nothing to gain by it. This guy only used to poll 5% of the national vote. Putin a massive 85% of the vote so why on earth would Putin bump off a nobody?
Of course it was to create a media storm, a icon for the opposition maybe or just a plain simple hit by the Russian mafia. Rumour is going around he was a naughty boy and may have upset someone he shouldn't have done in the criminal world. There is even a possibility of it being a parent of one of the underage girls he liked to play with. Who ever or what ever the fact is Putin had nothing to gain be knocking him off.

[jerry]

veteranstoday.com are arguing that it looks like the CIA did it
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/28/who-killed-boris-nemtsov/
I certainly buy that before Putin being guilty as he predicted this would happen in 2012
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[lucidity]

the shooting was made rather unprofessionally as non of the control shots were made. or perhaps it was being made to look like an unprofessional execution. investigation will show.

Hi Morbid,

Are you actually living in Russia ? And do you speak Russian ?

If yes.... how are the media treating this over there ?
And are Russian people concerned that the Americans seem
to be trying to start WW3 with Russia over the bullsh*t in Ukraine ?

Please let me know.. i'm deeply interested in your answers :-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Morbid]

the shooting was made rather unprofessionally as non of the control shots were made. or perhaps it was being made to look like an unprofessional execution. investigation will show.

Hi Morbid,

Are you actually living in Russia ? And do you speak Russian ?

If yes.... how are the media treating this over there ?
And are Russian people concerned that the Americans seem
to be trying to start WW3 with Russia over the bullsh*t in Ukraine ?

Please let me know.. i'm deeply interested in your answers :-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

i currently live in the west. born in ussr, raised in russian federation.
to be honest i dont really follow on russian media exposure much as i know its purpose and how it works for their worldview. i dont follow western media ether as its just blatant lies and out of context material everyday that just making me go blank to it. though i must agree russian media has more truth to it than anywhere else at the moment - although i also believe that truth is very personal thing and is different to any one self. im sure that general public russians dont care about boris m much as he wasnt that important figure with his vulgar attitude which is not appreciated at all. this murder happened for external consumption to make certain points which only bottom feeders would swallow. majority of russians are fully aware that they are under attack currently and everything that happens they just blame the other side - simple really. minority of russians though would support him as they are in the "repressed" camp - although most of their concerns are extremely over exaggerated..
i dont have anything against the jewish people in general (my x wife is one of the tribe) but it seems that about half of them in russia are constantly against any government (no matter under which flag) - same thing happened during czarist russia in beginning of 20th century. that group controlled by higher entity unintentionally cause stir ups thought russian history - bolshevics and roaring 90s boys were mostly them. Its sad to note how misled they really are taking into account their vast intelligence. i find them top class teachers, scientists, doctors etc but rather corrupt when it comes to positions of power or public relations. Half of my teachers were Russian jews and i appreciate at how dedicated they can be. thats why both stalin and putin (in future) are/will be always blamed for everything - its because these strong rulers rooted out the corruption that was unprecedented during 1920-30 and 1990-2000. its a constant global battle that russia is still winning time to time. america has lost its country a century ago with creation of the fed. but i still have hope for the americans though as they are truly unique nation, one day they will also liberate themselves from the material and monetary values and be truly free.

regarding ww3. russians are convinced that they cant be defeated by military force unless majority of the world unites against them. thats why putin is so busy to get as many equal partners onto brics camp. china and india is already half of the planet so i think we are in majority here. i doubt ww3 is possible in the next 10-20 years. noone in the west wants to fight anymore. people are not that easy to fool these days. noone is going to give away their children. and fighting for money will never win you wars - look at ukraine with private contractor led army losing to local coal miners and volunteers from russia fighting for the 'idea' only.

hope that explains it. again, honestly i dont despise the jews so knock out all the assumptions please. mkay?

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Boris Nemtsov was a bright jewish guy, a physicist. (Quite a typical situation for the Russian elite including politicians. To be bright and Jewish I mean.) But Nemtsov's heyday was in the 90-s. As it was a very painful time for the Russians, politicians from that time are not popular. Not to say that they had no achievements but at the same time the overall situaton was very bad then and those reformers from the 90-s, who were not exactly angels, are mistrusted by the Russians. Soon after Yeltsin chose Putin as his successor, Nemtsov become one of the opposition leaders. However it is important to note that opposition is not strong in Russia - I am not saying it's good - just stating the fact."

Not relavant to your discussion, just for general information, most Russians know Nemtsov because of the teledebates that took place with the clown of the Russian politics Zhirinovskiy in 1995:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aeijcg6Umo

If you don't know Vladimir Zhirinovskiy - dont waste your time. He is not worth it.

In Ukraine, in their Parliament (Verkhovnaya Rada) they have full-on fights every day, however for the Russian politics such public behaviour is uncommon that's why those debates stuck in the memory - say Nemtsov and everyone would recall "the orange juice episode".

Anyways, I don't have theories about who killed Boris. All theories are valid. My cousin who has been living in Japan for the last 12 yrs and is known for her very anti-Putin position (although one should note that she spends not more than 14-20 days a year in Russia and I personally find her being somewhat out-of-touch when she talks about Russia these days). So she sent a letter to me today where she wrote:

"Consternation and horror arose not only because of the reports of the violent death of a famous person, but also on understanding what a big step was taken towards chaos, ostracism, international isolation and other "venezuela". Although, maybe Venezuela has become an unattainable ideal now, and we should think about north-korea. I do not believe that the murder was committed by single fanatics, unrelated to you-know-who. Even in the eyes of an outsider it is clear that this crime took such a level of training and technical support that it falls into James Bond category." ....

"I care about what happened because I neither live in a vacuum, nor on a personal tropical island, and what happens in my country, I am concerned with most directly. At first glance it seems that all this is a "high matter" and the wave will not reach us, but it is not like that. When they chop wood - the chips fly. (it's a Russian proverb). I would like to return to the dynamic country that is focused on a positive, development and cooperation, the country that others want to be friends with, whose head is respected ...not like now."

I don't find the above point of view being balanced, rather idealistic but I think that all investigation leads need to be followed.

She sent two links where some opposition guys expand on the subject why they think the Kremlin was involved. Unfortunately, they are in Russian and I do not have time to translate. I find the 2nd link more interesting if you would care to put it through google.translate. The author outlines his understanding of the "facts and arguments that seem the most significant to date"

http://inforesist.org/byvshij-sovetnik-putina-rasskazal-chto-ego-smushhaet-posle-prosmotra-video-s-mesta-ubijstva-nemcova/

http://v-milov.livejournal.com/404358.html

In the conclusion of that second link the author talks about beneficiaries:

"WHO BENEFITS?

I talked about this in detail on the radio "Freedom" on Saturday, but in short - for those who build their own versions on the extremely weak assumption that "Putin does not benefit from the killing." Yes, on a number of points, he doesn't profit and that is why he should be very angry if something like that was committed without his knowledge.

But in the last year Putin proved just too well that he has a completely different idea of ​​what is "advantageous" and "disadvantageous" than idle commentators. He showed that he was ready for a war, losses, sanctions, international isolation - all for the sake of his own "sacred" and "strategic" targets understood only by him . Therefore the "benefits" of certain events can be assessed only by him.

About Nemtsov, in addition to general considerations (to instill fear and eliminate an important communicator among the opposition), one more thing that fits here, as it was suggested to me by one powerful man: Nemtsov played an instrumental role in lobbying Western sanctions, had a lot of contact with Western leaders and politicians on this topic, among the top Russian politicians he is considered largely "personally responsible" for sanctions and for indicating what sanctions (primarily credit blockade) would be the most potent. In a sense, it can be a revenge similar to Litvinenko - Nemtsov is considered not just a politician playing this or other role in Russia, but the man, according to the Kremliners, "guilty" of the difficult situation in which "the Putin establishment" finds itself because of the sanctions. Quite a real version."

I can't comment on the validity of the points outlined above and how true they are. By the regular Russians Nemtsov certainly wasn't perceived as a very important figure on the political Olympus. But who knows... I am just saying that there are different opinions and all are valid until proved otherwise.

[Morbid]

i wouldnt be surprised if kremlin done him ether as a good defensive tactic to make the zionist supporters and such look bad. thats the thing, like with missing plane and mh17 we will most probably never find out - so now its the matter of both sides tossing a ball at the media space. see how this round will play up.

[Cidersomerset]

This looks like some sort of destabilising attack , certainly on the face
of it not in the interest of Putin, but certainly in the interest of Kiev
and Washington to blame him. Some articles discussing the issue...

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Russian Opposition: Putin Did NOT Assassinate Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov

Monday 2nd March 2015 at 10:15 By David Icke


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‘U.S. media is quick to blame Putin for the assassination of opposition
leader Boris Nemtsov.

But Itina Khakamada – a top ally of Nemtsov in the opposition – said the
killing was “clearly not in Putin’s interest. It’s aimed at rocking the situation.”

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev says the the killing is aimed at
“destabilizing the situation in the country, at heightening confrontation”
with the West.

Gorbachev says:

The assassination of Boris Nemtsov is an attempt to complicate the situation
in the country, even to destabilize it by ratcheting up tensions between the
government and the opposition.

Even the U.S. government’s Voice of America states – in an article entitled
“Could Nemtsov Threaten Putin in Death as in Life?” – that Putin loses much
more than he gains by the assassination:’

Read more: Russian Opposition: Putin Did NOT Assassinate Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/russian-opposition-putin-assassinate-opposition-leader.html


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The Richie Allen Show on Davidicke.com: Former CIA Analyst Steven D.
Kelley – Why Putin Had Nothing To Do With The Murder Of Boris Nemtsov

Aprox 18 mins in....interesting take...

Tuesday 3rd March 2015 at 09:41 By David Icke

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CrossTalk: Dangerously Spinning Russia Story

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Published on 2 Mar 2015


On the back of Secretary of State John Kerry’s pleading for more funding
to counter news outlets such as RT and the west’s reaction to the awful
murder of an opposition figure on the streets of Moscow, it would appear
those looking for more tensions with Russia are winning the day.
CrossTalking with Gilbert Doctorow, Neil Clark, and Ray McGovern.

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[Morbid]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/1000s-mourn-nemtsovs-funeral-seven-main-conspiracy-theories-emerge

[airaspect]

I rarely add my 2 cents, but the amount of love Putin gets on this forum is astonishing.

There is a history of unresolved murder cases considering Russian politicians and journalists that publicly opposed Putin's regime. Long before the war on Ukraine, and before western mass media got interested in the subject (as far as I've noticed).

Hours before the killing Nemstov was on a radio show, publicly challenging Putin's official stance on Russia non involvement in the war on Ukraine, telling about soldiers bodies being burned in mobile crematories so no body bags would come back home, and blaming Putin for the economy crisis.

Every oppressive regime somehow found it beneficial to torture and murder its opposition.

The economy crisis in Russia is real, might get worse, and possibly is a threat to Putin's power in the country - if things get out of hand. I would imagine last thing Putin wants is people connecting his aggressive politics with the crisis.


Whoever thinks that TPTB are the only evil in this world needs a serious reality check.

[Morbid]

you just gotta choose whether you support nordics or draco.

[Morbid]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-07/two-men-charged-over-nemtsovs-murder-opposition-fear-scapegoating

edit:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-08/nemtsov-murder-suspect-commits-suicide-grenade-5-others-arrested