Blue Avians

[Aspen]

Curious article linking David WIlcock and Benjamin Fulford. Wonder if they know about this? The most interesting part to me was wondering if the insider that met on the Sphere with the Blue eight foot tall humanoids could be GoodETxSG, a former member of Avalon???? I guess David Wilcock knows other insiders too, but it mentioned his wife and him going into a trance like state and having the meeting in the astral. Sounds kind of like something GoodETxsg might have done. Whoever it was - I congratulate him on his courage and willingness to serve humanity!!! http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2015/03/benjamin-fulford-and-david-wilcocks.html

"The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.” As silly as this may sound, they are eight-foot-tall humanoids derived from avian life, with birdlike heads and bright indigo-blue feathers. They have more or less normal-looking hands and feet. The head is a synergy between bird and human features. There are other avian types out there as well. It is not common but it does occur.

One of my insiders got pulled into a meeting that was very serious. We didn’t know if he was going to come out of it alive, or at least not without being heavily tortured and screamed at for what he had told me and what was leaked. Only later did we realize that the Blue Avians had personally requested him.

He was guaranteed by them that he would not be harmed. They told him many things. One thing they felt was very important was that they have not had ANY contact or communications with the Cabal. One of the five main factions in the Space Program, named Solar Warden, is allied with them now, and they are working with the Alliance on earth, but never the Cabal.

I had mistakenly said on Coast they had some contact with the Cabal and they corrected it.

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

That’s as much as I know now. I do not for a minute believe the insider was lying to me. He was deeply shaken and profoundly moved by this experience."

[yelik]

As expected, it’s getting increasingly difficult to know whom we can trust. However it seems Lucifer / Enki can portray numerous realities and come across as benevolent , very challenging stuff.

As far as I’m aware the wespenre papers are still one of the best sources.

[Calz]

More updated comments from DW here:


http://www.theeventchronicle.com/intel/david-wilcock-100-spheres-the-size-of-either-neptune-or-jupiter-have-entered-our-solar-system-in-the-last-2-3-years/

[Atlas]

100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years.
Great news! So, what are these spheres here for ? Space tourism ? Intergalactic migration ? :confused:

[yelik]

They're here to play pool in our solar system and pocket the earth, lol

[Calz]

They're here to play pool in our solar system and pocket the earth, lol


Hmmm ... you just might be onto something there http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif


http://rlv.zcache.com/alien_playing_pool_post_cards-r7f9e32e8df9c43409f8e84f5aac6e3a6_vgbaq_8byvr_512.jpg

[kemo]

I don't think you lot are taking this topic entirely seriously. I mean ... you couldn't make this up could you so it must be true.

[Bill Ryan]

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Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

[yelik]

The thing is how do we really know what these so called sphere beings are for? What we are pretty sure of is that the Illuminati / Cabal are desperately trying to control and shape our destiny against our true freewill. Unless a person is a powerful psychic it is difficult to participate in these games taking place in other realms around us.

Whilst I have an interest in such matters I tend to concentrate on what I can do in our 3d world, searching and spreading the truth as best I can as well as holding our mind controlled politicians to account at every opportunity. Mass awakening is one of the biggest threats to these hybrid rulers and their masters, the Annunakli / Reptilians

[Lifebringer]

May sound strange to people, as David would say, but I was given some info for a sci-fi to get the info out, and I've been telepathically told, they are for evacuation, until the earth settles, later on down the line. 3 1/2 years is what I got, and wrote in the book. At first the information, not dates came, and then as they unfolded, the blank (time? year?) came later and were filled in. It will take place between fall of this year, until 2018? Or 19 depending on how the people accept the reality of the transformation and arrests.

In my book they/cabal plan to leave earth too, for Mars colony where they have people enslaved to work to live. But they never make it, as the celestial hosts, free the people they have kidnapped and that were born into slavery since the 60's on Mars. They go to the UN and make the appearance before the leaders. Reason for the changes that will occur on the planet, and the time to prepare for the worst. Those in danger of being swept away in tsunami's or buried by earthquake that have a good heart/clean heart and mind, will not meet an end. His/Her loving mercy and protective hosts ensure this as the changes occur.

My second book of info pertains to the enslaved Mars colony of humans. I call them the "MCB's" or Milk Carton Babies.
Stuff flowing now, and this borrowed pc, no longer has a battery that works, I'm on dc, which if a surge hits, I tread on thin ice, as I work. Can't affor anothr and tech/security/son is building me one now, so...I have to limit my time here. The Prepare For Change site is in a language I don't speak, so I'll have faith that just as I received the other info, I'll be in tune for the instinctual survival gut feeling to move, when it's time.

[Flash]

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Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

LOL they entered and exited very fast, one by one, as to remain unnoticed:p

I must admit that this time I do not believe David Wilcock.

[Lifebringer]

Hold your seeds, look up how to capture and filter waters, and stock up on dry beans, rice, flour, honey, garlic, baking soda, green tea(for toxicity) in soils. Ph in the soil can be done using baking soda, if too acidic. Get soil sample kits and keep them with your emergency stuff. Learn and know how to use it. Also to treat badly burned soil from solar, dig the area you want to plant about a 8' to a ft' deep for tree saplings but line the bottom with leaves that fall in the fall 4''s deep so that would be about 16' total. Use whatever soil you have to be treated and nurtured back to health. This works on all soils and cools the earth. Burning the leaves, instead of using them for insulation during cooler months for growth in green houses is not so smart. God gave us all we needed, how to use them have been hidden. Composting banana peels, veggie scraps, coffee grounds, and whatever leaves and soil you can put in a pile, even mulch grinded with a lawn mower will make the soil rich in nutrients and cool the earth, enough to have 1st shrubs then trees to give shade over the long rebuilding process. It must be sustainable or we'll end up right back here again. The leaves lining the bottom keep the roots cool during that harsh heat that can kill a plant. Try it, I'm waiting for the next two weeks to pass and starting my starter seeds from last year. This is guaranteed to work on any clay, sandy or dusty soil. Just till it togeather with the compost, turn two weeks before planting during the spring rain, and then you'll see healthy black rich soil for planting. If you want, crush up some of those non recyclable styrofoam cups to mix in also. This promotes air to the roots. WE can do this people, just takes love of family, planet and life, ALL. We can finally have that future long promised of life. I'm with all of that.

[JRS]

David stated that these spheres are "cloaked"-I presume that would be in the visible spectrum. Is there any way for ordinary astronomers to detect a "cloaked craft"-gravity anomalies, torsion field detectors, IR or UV detectors? Things could get quite interesting if/when these things drop their cloaking. Of course with the way "plausible deniability" seems to work, maybe they don't exist at all? I wonder if the Vatican's "Lucifer" telescope in Arizona has detected these things?

[Lifebringer]

Do you think them interdimensional or cloaked like a KlingOn ship? Do you think it's possible? I posted that I'm having a hard enough time with the two justice systems, but in my lifetime, strange things have happened. So I'll wait, not to pass a judgement at this time, just to see if the communication on earth is what it should be at this time. In the book some ET's have begun reversing those dreadful vaccines and correcting the DNA damage from within, unnoticed. IDK, but that's what's in there. Let me go finish this 1st one and make sure you have Libreoffice for that thingy I talked constantly about.

[DNA]

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Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

I'm not saying I believe Wilcock's story, but if a culture could construct such huge vehicles then it stands to reason that cloaking visual, energetic and gravitational signatures would be child's play.

[Olaf]

David also stated indirectly that the Avians are a 4th density race (at least this would make sense when it is easier for them to get someone via OBE). In that case their ships must be also 4th density, which means that they'd have almost no physical interaction with 3D reality (no interaction with 3d gravity, not visible).

[Calz]

David also stated indirectly that the Avians are a 4th density race (at least this would make sense when it is easier for them to get someone via OBE). In that case their ships must be also 4th density, which means that they'd have almost no physical interaction with 3D reality (no interaction with 3d gravity, not visible).

Latest from DW suggests the Blue Avians are actually ... Ra ... from the Law of One Ra (which would suggest 6th density STO).

Be that as it may ... and considering even we humans have the technology to bend light such that things can appear invisible (ie military stuff) ... and milab (perhaps with grey help) can create almost any screen illusion ... is it so hard to imagine what truly advanced beings from wherever/whenever can offer to cloud our holographic illusion???


:juggle:

[donk]

Speaking of dimensions...can't you think of some "dimensions" in terms of "scale"?

ie...I can imagine the planets as 'electrons' to the 'neutron' of the sun...one in 'atom' in this "same" (in a Horton-hears-a who-esque we inhabit it kind of 3d physical way) universe's next scale up...I mean, really, Neptune-sized planets are nothing in the grand scheme of infinity...who's to say there aren't galaxy-sized beings (or ships) in between "scales" (they'd be "medium-sized") we can (relatively) easily/sensibly imagine/comprehend...why is one advanced enough that can hide it's effect on what we perceive as gravity any harder to believe in than...anything else we talk about around here?

That being said, I don't believe a word DW (or his "insiders"...I'm old enough to remember one of them in particular REAL well) on face value...what I find interesting is the transmission of (and reactions to) "information"...not all is always as it seems....

[Peace of Mind]

David also stated indirectly that the Avians are a 4th density race (at least this would make sense when it is easier for them to get someone via OBE). In that case their ships must be also 4th density, which means that they'd have almost no physical interaction with 3D reality (no interaction with 3d gravity, not visible).

Latest from DW suggests the Blue Avians are actually ... Ra ... from the Law of One Ra (which would suggest 6th density STO).

Be that as it may ... and considering even we humans have the technology to bend light such that things can appear invisible (ie military stuff) ... and milab (perhaps with grey help) can create almost any screen illusion ... is it so hard to imagine what truly advanced beings from wherever/whenever can offer to cloud our holographic illusion???


:juggle:

Imagining is the easy part, but why would I want to imagine that? Especially when there isn't any true evidence to examine. There never is....

Peace

[jake gittes]

David also stated indirectly that the Avians are a 4th density race (at least this would make sense when it is easier for them to get someone via OBE). In that case their ships must be also 4th density, which means that they'd have almost no physical interaction with 3D reality (no interaction with 3d gravity, not visible).

Latest from DW suggests the Blue Avians are actually ... Ra ... from the Law of One Ra (which would suggest 6th density STO).

Be that as it may ... and considering even we humans have the technology to bend light such that things can appear invisible (ie military stuff) ... and milab (perhaps with grey help) can create almost any screen illusion ... is it so hard to imagine what truly advanced beings from wherever/whenever can offer to cloud our holographic illusion???


:juggle:

Imagining is the easy part, but why would I want to imagine that? Especially when there isn't any true evidence to examine. There never is....

Peace

Amen to that, brah. I think Wilcock's "insiders" (if he has any) just feed him ridiculous gibberish to see if he'll actually print it.

[Timewaster]

Wilcock must be onto to something here, because he is creating a lot of talk/controversy/hostility on the net with his latest information.

Whether its correct or not or even some truth with disinfo will be revealed in time.

As time reveals all things....

[Maia Gabrial]

The hostilities are coming from the Cabal's stooges who have to stop David and others like him.

[amor]

If there are hundreds of cloaked, planet-sized spheres out there, I have this nagging intuition that 7 billion of us may be their dinner. Somewhere in Revelations, it speaks of the HARVEST---of what or of whom?

[jake gittes]

The hostilities are coming from the Cabal's stooges who have to stop David and others like him.

What hostilities are you referring to?

[Aspen]

I don't know if I believe it myself. Just trying to keep an open mind to these things. And I was very impressed with GoodETxSG's interview. Hopefully some proofs will emerge one way or the other. . . Of course this is not the first time people have mentioned observing giant spheres. Back in January of 2010 they were observed and NASA said it was an equipment malfunction. Others disagreed. http://www.examiner.com/article/giant-ufos-around-the-sun-nasa-claims-malfunction-physicist-says-giant-et-ufos-use-sun-s-star-gate
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Nassim Haramein got a copy of the Soho video (minute 13:30 on video below)before NSA edited the objects around the sun. He says they are "at least" the size of earth.w1capJeRoqI dfOluVnzpwc

[araucaria]

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Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

I'm not saying I believe Wilcock's story, but if a culture could construct such huge vehicles then it stands to reason that cloaking visual, energetic and gravitational signatures would be child's play.
It depends on what you mean by cloaking. If you mean transparent invisibility, that’s pretty advanced technology. If you mean chameleon-like blending in with the background, then you might be getting in the way of a few astronomers who are looking for specific stuff further afield and are not finding it. The only hiding-place would be behind the Sun at all times relative to the Earth, which is why some people reckon that to be a busy part of the solar system. But we have astronomers collecting data from Mars, Venus and other distant probes that can probably see round the back.

Of course if you are in a different dimension, you can be with me here in this room without my knowing it; or you could even be much bigger than the room. The question then becomes: at what stage does materialization become necessary at all, and for what purpose other than disruption?

[Bill Ryan]

Wilcock must be onto to something here, because he is creating a lot of talk/controversy/hostility on the net with his latest information.


Or — the talk/controversy/hostility might be because it's nonsense.

[Timewaster]

Wilcock must be onto to something here, because he is creating a lot of talk/controversy/hostility on the net with his latest information.


Or — the talk/controversy/hostility might be because it's nonsense.

Your probably right lol.

Bill, do you feel he is being led astray? Or he is doing the leading?

IMO he means well, but is maybe too enthusiastic when it comes to disconcerting new information.



p.s i understand if you dont want to touch that question with a 12 foot pole :)

[MorningFox]

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Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

I don't necessarily believe it, but that's assuming they are within our perceptible frequency. With all due respect, I'm surprised you of all people would discount something like that in such a blasé and narrow minded manner, I must say.

[Atlas]

MorningFox, I'm surprised you would buy that easily this science-fiction:

From List of Star Trek regions of space: Delphic Expanse - History of the Expanse:


Thousands of years ago, a number of cloaked spheres the size of small moons were constructed throughout the Expanse by trans-dimensional beings as a prelude to invasion; their purpose was to alter the fabric of space in the region, to make it habitable for the Sphere Builders. One area of space, 700 million kilometers wide and centrally located within a group of spheres, is distorted into a bubbling particle soup with an organic appearance. The spheres use artificial intelligence and operate as a network, with several providing command functions.

Because the spheres are cloaked, their exact number is unknown. Triannons believe that there are thousands of spheres. Xindi scientists, including Degra, determined that there were at least 78 spheres.
Source: wikipedia.org/List_of_Star_Trek_regions_of_space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_regions_of_space)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

I don't necessarily believe it, but that's assuming they are within our perceptible frequency. With all due respect, I'm surprised you of all people would discount something like that in such a blasé and narrow minded manner, I must say.

I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways. :)

[Flash]

They may have no mass Bill, and not being here in this dimension for the moment.

I went to a conference last week on the Hicks Boson particle (with about 500 people laymen auditorium filled, amazing). The scientist was telling us some astonishing things they had discovered. I would not be able to give you the science formulaes beneath it, but it went about like this:

1. what is important about the Hicks boson particle is not the particle itself, but the energy fields creating it. The boson particle is about the creation of matter with nothing to start with. That weak energy field allows to create mass, which create matters, out of nothing. In my idea, this corresponds to all I have read in spirituality, that at one point, when developing through the higher self, we come to a point which is the void, the absolute nothingness.

2. As we all know here, matter is a very slowed down energy field, that is all. The universe is empty. He went to say that we are pure illusion. Again, I saw a correspondence here with old spiritual traditions.

3. Another interesting point was that particles can go in any direction in the time/space construct. Meaning in the future or in the past, it did not "matter - pun intended" to them, there is no linear time at the particle levels. Past present and future are directions, period. The particle can take any direction, no impossibilities here. In my views, this could explain parts of the seeing cubes technologies as well as part of what an RV viewers travels on to see the futur and the past.

4. Now that the Higgs Boson theory has been proven, they have no other theories on which to base further research (to use as guidelines). For the first time, they will have to do experimental research in order to build new theories to go further.

5. Cern is for research on the creation of the universe, on the ways particles work and on fields of énergies, amongst others. But i saw on the first slides being shown the mention of research on dimensions as well.

I have not much time at the moment, but I want to go further in these.

All this to say that some of the cloaked spaceships, whatever they could be (from reptilians, humans, or 7th dimensions beings) maybe cloaked by going to the mass less universe. The ability to create matter and uncreate it temporarily, following a preexisting blue print.

[Omni]

Posted by David Wilcock
100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years. Of course, 100 spheres the size of Jupiter or Neptune would go quite un-noticed by any astronomer. That's about 98 times more than the total mass of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in the entire solar system.

I don't necessarily believe it, but that's assuming they are within our perceptible frequency. With all due respect, I'm surprised you of all people would discount something like that in such a blasé and narrow minded manner, I must say.

I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways. :)

Thanks Bill for the dose of reason... I was biting my tongue on this because I may be seen as posting too many(in the past) conflicting views to what I see as psy ops(or just incorrect things) on Avalon. Not many Avalonians like it when you say a thread they posted is incorrect or a psy op so I stopped mostly. Also when you get into a debate with someone I noticed most of the time they view you as an enemy afterwards, and that isn't desired by me(people hold grudges, I dont...)...

David Wilcock is a probable disinfo asset of the cabal if I had to guess. They are likely behind all his failed predictions, his rehashing of ascension coming soon etc. Which is one thing I have tried to not post, since I'm sure many wouldn't appreciate that. But it is my true opinion. Most of his messages I have seen relate to stating the cabal is being defeated, just like the psy op filled channeled messages of the new age coming in by the droves these days(funny how there werent many channelers back before the US shadow govt got this technology).

As an insider to the cabal's electronic telepathy network I have seen absolutely zero evidence of them having a change of heart, any civil war, or anything remotely close to that. Not like they would tell me those things, but they do torture me on a daily basis, so I will know if they have a change of heart...

My thoughts on "GoodETxSG's" info is that it is the typical disinfo. Truths mixed with lies. There are indeed avian ET races IMO, but I highly doubt any are actually communicating with our former Avalonian "whistleblower"... The more info he releases the more that will not add up I tend to think.

As for them being behind the Law of One channelings I find that a bit laughable. At the beginning of every channel it would state: "I am RA". So is one of the birds named RA? I would bet every dollar in my bank account that isn't reserved for bills or cigarettes right now that the Law of One material came from the US military... Just my 2 cents. They had the channeling tech back when it was released, that much is known...

[Aspen]

Well I must say, I don't know if this is science fiction or not. But I am holding out the possibility that these spheres are not third dimensional the way we are. If they are fourth dimensional maybe they would not alter the gravitational forces within our solar system? Perhaps, in some way we don't understand, they are exerting some kind of effect on the planet to slow down the physical changes of earth so that they are not so traumatic for humans. If it is true that we are valuable genetic material, or that others are interested in our spiritual evolution as a species then maybe there could be benevolent motivations.

[Atlas]

[...] this is what the Blue Avians said [...] This would make a great episodic TV show or film if written properly!
Err... already done... 47 years ago !!

Andorians first appeared in the 1968 Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Journey to Babel"

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2013/008/1/4/shran_tos_outer_spacer_by_shranna-d5qumyg.jpg

Andorians are a fictional race of humanoid extraterrestrials in the American science fiction franchise Star Trek. They were created by writer D. C. Fontana.

Within the Star Trek narrative, they are native to the icy Class M moon Andoria (also called Andor), which orbits a blue, ringed gas giant.

Distinctive traits of Andorians include their blue skin, a pair of cranial antennae, and white hair.

The 2004 episode "Zero Hour" established that Andorians were one of the four founding members of the United Federation of Planets.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorian

[Roisin]

Could it be that our current level of physics is not advanced enough to detect those sphere's? That it's "science" not yet discovered?

[Sunny-side-up]

If there are hundreds of cloaked, planet-sized spheres out there, I have this nagging intuition that 7 billion of us may be their dinner. Somewhere in Revelations, it speaks of the HARVEST---of what or of whom?
I can't help but think any beings that can make ship/planets that big can make their own food with out having to eat other beings ;)

These cloaked ships are not in our vibrational realm, they could be filling the sky's around us here and now, with their densities/mass reduced as-well!

[Flash]

MorningFox, I'm surprised you would buy that easily this science-fiction:

From List of Star Trek regions of space: Delphic Expanse - History of the Expanse:


Thousands of years ago, a number of cloaked spheres the size of small moons were constructed throughout the Expanse by trans-dimensional beings as a prelude to invasion; their purpose was to alter the fabric of space in the region, to make it habitable for the Sphere Builders. One area of space, 700 million kilometers wide and centrally located within a group of spheres, is distorted into a bubbling particle soup with an organic appearance. The spheres use artificial intelligence and operate as a network, with several providing command functions.

Because the spheres are cloaked, their exact number is unknown. Triannons believe that there are thousands of spheres. Xindi scientists, including Degra, determined that there were at least 78 spheres.
Source: wikipedia.org/List_of_Star_Trek_regions_of_space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_regions_of_space)

lots of times i think we are feeding the alternative media and the cabal with what to tell us so that we get excited and distracted. This Star Trek story is either coming form the hidden truth, or is complete falsehood coming from our imagination. They must be laughing all along while we gobble it (eat it)

As one very great human once told me (keeping in mind that everything is complete illusions, see my above post), everything that you can possibly imagine exist, everything exist if you imagine it.

The question is: what is useful? what is useful to humanity? to the planet?

My answer: yeah, concentrate on the useful and loving and do not give creative énergies to the rest (reptilians, etc) because you make them into existence. This is how powerful and ignorant we are.

[DNA]

[...] this is what the Blue Avians said [...] This would make a great episodic TV show or film if written properly!
Err... already done... 47 years ago !!

Andorians first appeared in the 1968 Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Journey to Babel"

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2013/008/1/4/shran_tos_outer_spacer_by_shranna-d5qumyg.jpg

Andorians are a fictional race of humanoid extraterrestrials in the American science fiction franchise Star Trek. They were created by writer D. C. Fontana.

Within the Star Trek narrative, they are native to the icy Class M moon Andoria (also called Andor), which orbits a blue, ringed gas giant.

Distinctive traits of Andorians include their blue skin, a pair of cranial antennae, and white hair.

The 2004 episode "Zero Hour" established that Andorians were one of the four founding members of the United Federation of Planets.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorian

Just so you know, Gene Rodenberry was known to be in contact through channeling with a self proclaimed off world group known as "The 9". This group said they were the Gods worshiped by the Egyptians.
Gene Rodenberry was said to have gotten quite a few of his story germs through this group known as "The 9".

We have come full circle haven't we?

[MorningFox]

I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways. :)

Ok, let me change the word frequency for 'dimension' then. Even though frequency, as I understand it, is the more correct term (I did say 'visible' though so that was my mistake, I should have said 'detectable'). Just because we cannot detect something does not mean it isn't there and I'm still surprised you would discount something in such a manner!


MorningFox, I'm surprised you would buy that easily this science-fiction:



At no point did I say I believed it. I even prefaced my post with 'I don't necessarily believe it'. I just think that discounting something because it has not been detected... 'so it must not be there' mentality is a bit surprising, especially from Bill.

[Bill Ryan]

I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways. :)

Ok, let me change the word frequency for 'dimension' then. Even though frequency, as I understand it, is the more correct term (I did say 'visible' though so that was my mistake). Just because we cannot detect something does not mean it isn't there and I'm still surprised you would discount something in such a manner!


MorningFox, I'm surprised you would buy that easily this science-fiction:



At no point did I say I believed it. I even prefaced my post with 'I don't necessarily believe it'. I just think that discounting something because it has not been detected... 'so it must not be there' mentality is a bit surprising, especially from Bill.


Hi there :) — I intended no disrespect in my post. I was really wanting to offer some thinking tools to help members (and guests!) evaluate these assertions.

If something is invisible in the light spectrum, undetectable on any other frequency, and has no mass, then a good metaphysical (or physical!) question may be to ask what "it's there" really means.

Ghosts exist too, I'm 100% sure, but they too are invisible and [seemingly] have no mass. So if these spheres are 'ghostly' objects in that sense, then maybe the claims that have been made need to be re-examined in that context.

The inferences made by Wilcock and others certainly seem to be that these are solid objects, not immaterial non-physical somethings.

[MorningFox]

Hey. I get where you're coming from, and took absolutely no offence at all :)

[DNA]

[...] this is what the Blue Avians said [...] This would make a great episodic TV show or film if written properly!
Err... already done... 47 years ago !!

Andorians first appeared in the 1968 Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Journey to Babel"

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2013/008/1/4/shran_tos_outer_spacer_by_shranna-d5qumyg.jpg

Andorians are a fictional race of humanoid extraterrestrials in the American science fiction franchise Star Trek. They were created by writer D. C. Fontana.

Within the Star Trek narrative, they are native to the icy Class M moon Andoria (also called Andor), which orbits a blue, ringed gas giant.

Distinctive traits of Andorians include their blue skin, a pair of cranial antennae, and white hair.

The 2004 episode "Zero Hour" established that Andorians were one of the four founding members of the United Federation of Planets.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorian

Just so you know, Gene Rodenberry was known to be in contact through channeling with a self proclaimed off world group known as "The 9". This group said they were the Gods worshiped by the Egyptians.
Gene Rodenberry was said to have gotten quite a few of his story germs through this group known as "The 9".

We have come full circle haven't we?

The below article can be found in it's entirety if you follow the link. I had nothing to do with writing it. I did bold and underline what I considered to be two pertinent statements.




The Council of Nine and the Star Trek Pantheon (http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2008/06/council-of-nine-and-star-trek-pantheon.html)


I've looked into the story of the Nine before, when doing research for my sci-fi symbolism book. It's well known that Gene Roddenberry had extensive contacts with the Nine as did Jon Povill, who worked on the show Sliders as well as Synchromystic cult fave Total Recall. But it's less well-known that there were nine major characters in the original cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation, all of whom had direct counterparts in the Egyptian pantheon. So for your edutainment, here's a excerpt from my upcoming book dealing with Star Trek's connection to this very mysterious and powerful group...


In between the Star Trek TV series and the first Star Trek motion picture, Gene Roddenberry would find himself confronted with a real-world galactic Brotherhood. The ensuing drama would serve to be one of the strangest episodes recorded in the life of major Hollywood figure.

In early 1975, a broke and depressed Roddenberry was approached by a British former race car driver named Sir John Whitmore, who was associated with a strange organization called ‘Lab-9.’ Though unknown to the public, Lab-9 were ostensibly a sort of an independent version of the X-Files, dedicated to the research of paranormal phenomena. However, Lab-9 had another, more complex agenda- they later claimed to be in contact with a group of extraterrestrials called the ‘Council of Nine’ or simply ‘The Nine’, who had been communicating through ‘channelers’ or psychic mediums.

The Nine claimed to be the creators of mankind, and had informed the channelers that they would be returning to Earth soon. Lab-9 had wanted to hire Roddenberry to write a screenplay based on the Council of Nine’s imminent return. To help Roddenberry in his research, Lab-9 flew him out to their headquarters, located on a large estate in Ossining, NY. There, Roddenberry met and interviewed several psychics, and prepared the groundwork for his script.

Roddenberry wrote a script called the Nine, in which he fictionalized his experiences at Lab-9 and the message for humanity that the Council of Nine wished to convey. But Roddenberry’s story focused more on his fictionalized alter -ego and his marital and financial worries than on the Nine themselves, and Lab-9 requested a rewrite. He handed the task of revising the script to an assistant, Jon Povill. In his revision, Povill posited that the hit sci-fi TV show that Roddenberry’s alter ego had produced in the 60’s was not actually his work, but had been channeled through him by the Council of Nine. UFO cultists in the 70’s and 80’s would make similar claims about Star Trek itself.

And this was no ragtag bunch of hippie freaks that Roddenberry was dealing with. The man who set the whole thing up was Andrija Puharich, who was involved in the early career of famed Israeli psychic Uri Geller. Roddenberry biographer Joel Engel noted that Whitmore introduced Roddenberry to several key figures in the British Broadcasting Corp. as well. It’s interesting to note that at the same time Roddenberry was meeting with all these British TV executives about the Council of Nine, a Star Trek knockoff called Space:1999 premiered on British television.

[Jake]

Well I must say, I don't know if this is science fiction or not. But I am holding out the possibility that these spheres are not third dimensional the way we are. If they are fourth dimensional maybe they would not alter the gravitational forces within our solar system? Perhaps, in some way we don't understand, they are exerting some kind of effect on the planet to slow down the physical changes of earth so that they are not so traumatic for humans. If it is true that we are valuable genetic material, or that others are interested in our spiritual evolution as a species then maybe there could be benevolent motivations.


What good are biological samples and physical resources to a non physical being?

Technology??? Beyond physicality, there is no need for technology..

Giant cloaked spheres? Coming in from different directions, yet phased into another dimension?



I have to say something. The entire notion of a higher being coming to save us is a false, victim based mentality. The only way to help, is to incarnate as humans... (but then we are helping ourselves, no?) We are not alone, but we deserve to be. The likes of Greer, Wilcox,, etc,,,, seem to be mixing different bags of 'physics' to suit what they are saying at the time, and requires (almost) a physics degree before you start seeing the deep flaws. Especially regarding space travel!! I know damn well that we, AS PHYSICAL BEINGS do NOT need to understand physicality WHATSOEVER to traverse spacetime, and/or become non-physical..

Yes, astral projecting aliens!!! And they dont need some sort of 'spacecraft'..

On one hand, we have folks Telling us that all higher beings are bound to OUR understandings of physics.
On the other hand, these same folks use abtracts like 'telepathy' or 'astral' or 'densities' or 'dimensions' or 'download' to explain away what they dont understand!!

Physicality is quite a pickle, especially if you come from higher states of being. It is harder to move, slower, much slower,, thicker and dense like being under water. Vision is cut back, everything is dark, it is hard to focus.. Everything is thick and muddy. We have to rely on memory rather than true knowledge. We are completely cut off and dont know it... Thoughts are vague, and hard to manifest.

A higher state, nonphysical being (coming in from outside the earth life belief system territories) does not need a ship... What for? They are not bound by the same rules... That is like putting a genie in a bottle. Or building one of those sail boats inside of a bottle,, very clever but NOT NOT NOT the way to travel inside a physical belief system..

I challenge each one of you to go deep, and determine for yourself what it could mean if physicality were an illusion,, because even the most die hard PHYSICISTS have come to that conclusion.

Once, I got up after a fully conciouse OBE,,, many of the sensations remained after awakening fully so I thought that I was still out of my body... I put my right index finger right into the formica countertop, and it gave way like pudding. My wife freaked the hell out.. Snapped me out of it... We have since moved, but the finger mark is still there... Do you see? The proof is in the pudding... lol...

Like the spoon bending kid in the Matrix said,, "The trick is not to bend the spoon with your mind, but to realize that the spoon does not exist."


If you must look to the stars for salvation,, I will not stand in your way...

The secret that is being covered up are the latent abilities and potentials that we carry.... TPTB do not care about physical ETs... not as long as we remain ignorant to the implications of higher physics and what our minds are capable of.. The debate seems to be controlled, and physical ETs are not a threat to their controls over us... It is the nonphysical beings (which we are, but have long forgotten) that are a threat to them. Not directly, but if we were to all embrace the amazing beings that we are, and uncover latent potentials then it is GAME OVER for them..

Keep people entrenched in cave man physics and cave man spirituality, , and they will never see beyond the sides of the box they are in.

Ie,, control the information being discussed so as to keep the cave man physics in full focus,, then they can keep us in a box for another thousand or so years, while the breakaway crowd prepares to pretend to be Gods.

We are prisoners to our own minds... The reality of ET fades,, compared to our own damn potential...

PERIOD!!!

Jake

[DNA]

Well I must say, I don't know if this is science fiction or not. But I am holding out the possibility that these spheres are not third dimensional the way we are. If they are fourth dimensional maybe they would not alter the gravitational forces within our solar system? Perhaps, in some way we don't understand, they are exerting some kind of effect on the planet to slow down the physical changes of earth so that they are not so traumatic for humans. If it is true that we are valuable genetic material, or that others are interested in our spiritual evolution as a species then maybe there could be benevolent motivations.


What good are biological samples and physical resources to a non physical being?

Technology??? Beyond physicality, there is no need for technology..

Giant cloaked spheres? Coming in from different directions, yet phased into another dimension?



I have to say something. The entire notion of a higher being coming to save us is a false, victim based mentality. The only way to help, is to incarnate as humans... (but then we are helping ourselves, no?) We are not alone, but we deserve to be. The likes of Greer, Wilcox,, etc,,,, seem to be mixing different bags of 'physics' to suit what they are saying at the time, and requires (almost) a physics degree before you start seeing the deep flaws. Especially regarding space travel!! I know damn well that we, AS PHYSICAL BEINGS do NOT need to understand physicality WHATSOEVER to traverse spacetime, and/or become non-physical..

Yes, astral projecting aliens!!! And they dont need some sort of 'spacecraft'..

On one hand, we have folks Telling us that all higher beings are bound to OUR understandings of physics.
On the other hand, these same folks use abtracts like 'telepathy' or 'astral' or 'densities' or 'dimensions' or 'download' to explain away what they dont understand!!

Physicality is quite a pickle, especially if you come from higher states of being. It is harder to move, slower, much slower,, thicker and dense like being under water. Vision is cut back, everything is dark, it is hard to focus.. Everything is thick and muddy. We have to rely on memory rather than true knowledge. We are completely cut off and dont know it... Thoughts are vague, and hard to manifest.

A higher state, nonphysical being (coming in from outside the earth life belief system territories) does not need a ship... What for? They are not bound by the same rules... That is like putting a genie in a bottle. Or building one of those sail boats inside of a bottle,, very clever but NOT NOT NOT the way to travel inside a physical belief system..

I challenge each one of you to go deep, and determine for yourself what it could mean if physicality were an illusion,, because even the most die hard PHYSICISTS have come to that conclusion.

Once, I got up after a fully conciouse OBE,,, many of the sensations remained after awakening fully so I thought that I was still out of my body... I put my right index finger right into the formica countertop, and it gave way like pudding. My wife freaked the hell out.. Snapped me out of it... We have since moved, but the finger mark is still there... Do you see? The proof is in the pudding... lol...

Like the spoon bending kid in the Matrix said,, "The trick is not to bend the spoon with your mind, but to realize that the spoon does not exist."


If you must look to the stars for salvation,, I will not stand in your way...

The secret that is being covered up are the latent abilities and potentials that we carry.... TPTB do not care about physical ETs... not as long as we remain ignorant to the implications of higher physics and what our minds are capable of.. The debate seems to be controlled, and physical ETs are not a threat to their controls over us... It is the nonphysical beings (which we are, but have long forgotten) that are a threat to them. Not directly, but if we were to all embrace the amazing beings that we are, and uncover latent potentials then it is GAME OVER for them..

Keep people entrenched in cave man physics and cave man spirituality, , and they will never see beyond the sides of the box they are in.

Ie,, control the information being discussed so as to keep the cave man physics in full focus,, then they can keep us in a box for another thousand or so years, while the breakaway crowd prepares to pretend to be Gods.

We are prisoners to our own minds... The reality of ET fades,, compared to our own damn potential...

PERIOD!!!

Jake

Jake I always appreciate your point of view.

As I do the rest of the administrators, but at times, it feels like you guys agree with Bill to an almost embarrassing extent.
There is a certain appearance that when Bill gives the party line, you guys follow.

I appreciate the opinion of all of the administrators, but it would feel more genuine from you guys if you did not put up such an obvious united front.

The result is, your message feels disingenuous.

I don't think there is any danger in hearing Wilcock out. And I do not believe you think there is either.
No one is drinking any KOOL-AID.
This is wonderful fodder for thought and dialogue.

Just FYI, I'm enjoying this thread immensely.

[Jake]

Well I must say, I don't know if this is science fiction or not. But I am holding out the possibility that these spheres are not third dimensional the way we are. If they are fourth dimensional maybe they would not alter the gravitational forces within our solar system? Perhaps, in some way we don't understand, they are exerting some kind of effect on the planet to slow down the physical changes of earth so that they are not so traumatic for humans. If it is true that we are valuable genetic material, or that others are interested in our spiritual evolution as a species then maybe there could be benevolent motivations.


What good are biological samples and physical resources to a non physical being?

Technology??? Beyond physicality, there is no need for technology..

Giant cloaked spheres? Coming in from different directions, yet phased into another dimension?



I have to say something. The entire notion of a higher being coming to save us is a false, victim based mentality. The only way to help, is to incarnate as humans... (but then we are helping ourselves, no?) We are not alone, but we deserve to be. The likes of Greer, Wilcox,, etc,,,, seem to be mixing different bags of 'physics' to suit what they are saying at the time, and requires (almost) a physics degree before you start seeing the deep flaws. Especially regarding space travel!! I know damn well that we, AS PHYSICAL BEINGS do NOT need to understand physicality WHATSOEVER to traverse spacetime, and/or become non-physical..

Yes, astral projecting aliens!!! And they dont need some sort of 'spacecraft'..

On one hand, we have folks Telling us that all higher beings are bound to OUR understandings of physics.
On the other hand, these same folks use abtracts like 'telepathy' or 'astral' or 'densities' or 'dimensions' or 'download' to explain away what they dont understand!!

Physicality is quite a pickle, especially if you come from higher states of being. It is harder to move, slower, much slower,, thicker and dense like being under water. Vision is cut back, everything is dark, it is hard to focus.. Everything is thick and muddy. We have to rely on memory rather than true knowledge. We are completely cut off and dont know it... Thoughts are vague, and hard to manifest.

A higher state, nonphysical being (coming in from outside the earth life belief system territories) does not need a ship... What for? They are not bound by the same rules... That is like putting a genie in a bottle. Or building one of those sail boats inside of a bottle,, very clever but NOT NOT NOT the way to travel inside a physical belief system..

I challenge each one of you to go deep, and determine for yourself what it could mean if physicality were an illusion,, because even the most die hard PHYSICISTS have come to that conclusion.

Once, I got up after a fully conciouse OBE,,, many of the sensations remained after awakening fully so I thought that I was still out of my body... I put my right index finger right into the formica countertop, and it gave way like pudding. My wife freaked the hell out.. Snapped me out of it... We have since moved, but the finger mark is still there... Do you see? The proof is in the pudding... lol...

Like the spoon bending kid in the Matrix said,, "The trick is not to bend the spoon with your mind, but to realize that the spoon does not exist."


If you must look to the stars for salvation,, I will not stand in your way...

The secret that is being covered up are the latent abilities and potentials that we carry.... TPTB do not care about physical ETs... not as long as we remain ignorant to the implications of higher physics and what our minds are capable of.. The debate seems to be controlled, and physical ETs are not a threat to their controls over us... It is the nonphysical beings (which we are, but have long forgotten) that are a threat to them. Not directly, but if we were to all embrace the amazing beings that we are, and uncover latent potentials then it is GAME OVER for them..

Keep people entrenched in cave man physics and cave man spirituality, , and they will never see beyond the sides of the box they are in.

Ie,, control the information being discussed so as to keep the cave man physics in full focus,, then they can keep us in a box for another thousand or so years, while the breakaway crowd prepares to pretend to be Gods.

We are prisoners to our own minds... The reality of ET fades,, compared to our own damn potential...

PERIOD!!!

Jake

Jake I always appreciate your point of view.

As I do the rest of the administrators, but at times, it feels like you guys agree with Bill to an almost embarrassing extent.
There is a certain appearance that when Bill gives the party line, you guys follow.

I appreciate the opinion of all of the administrators, but it would feel more genuine from you guys if you did not put up such an obvious united front.

The result is, your message feels disingenuous.

I don't think there is any danger in hearing Wilcock out. And I do not believe you think there is either.
No one is drinking any KOOL-AID.
This is wonderful fodder for thought and dialogue.

Just FYI, I'm enjoying this thread immensely.

I can appreciate that. I promise you that when I post, it is from the heart. What can I say, great minds think alike.. :) To be honest, I could write a book about my views on ETs and physicality... oh yeah,, I already did. Lol... There are no marching orders behind the scenes, my friend.. With depest respect to Bill, I do NOT ask permission to speak from the heart,, nor do I worry about disagreeing with or contradicting Bill. Avalon is a place where we can find common ground in disagreements. You can't find that just anywhere...

Bill has never once told me what to say or do, outside normal mod duties. My experiences and opinions are my own..

Jake

[Sunny-side-up]

This is another one of those posts that push our perceived rabbit-hole sciences!

IE: do we believe that ET/ED's have the means/technology to do things like:

Cancel Mass/Inertia,
Move through dimensions/space-time,
Calculate their actions and consequences of their actions by which I mean moving Giant-Sphere-Craft around with out causing havoc and destruction,

The Rabbit-hole technology list is vast, technology that over the few years I have been a member of Avalon I have come to believe in, as have many here in other posts!

So the rabbit-hole has become a place where nearly anything is possible and so why not 'hundreds-of-giant-Sphere-Craft' moving into our solar-system?

Things need to be synchronized from one post to another, I would like to see a Poll of some kind in-relation to ET/ED tech and if it is considered real in Avalon-Rabbit-Hole or not!

I still always come back to believing the Universe is just an illusion and so anything is possible and or doesn't actually exist anyways :doh:

[Maia Gabrial]

David said that the Avians were the only ones so far who were "visible". It sounds like the others will follow after whatever it is they do to stepdown their frequencies....


Without the help of the “Sphere Beings,” as they are called, the Alliance wouldn’t be able to accomplish this. There are apparently four races of Sphere Beings but the Blue Avians are the only ones that are visible at this time.

[Sunny-side-up]

David said that the Avians were the only ones so far who were "visible". It sounds like the others will follow after whatever it is they do to stepdown their frequencies....


Without the help of the “Sphere Beings,” as they are called, the Alliance wouldn’t be able to accomplish this. There are apparently four races of Sphere Beings but the Blue Avians are the only ones that are visible at this time.


Maybe in prelude to our 'we/earth' raising our frequencies to meet them ;)

[magnum]

yeah..those using conventional science and physics..such as Bill Ryan tends to do..have a very limited view on what may be possible.Try to imagine where our technological abilities may be in a thousand years..now try to imagine the technological abilities of those millions of years ahead of us...use your imaginations.

Bill wrote "I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways"

what makes you so sure you can't have it both ways Bill?..conventional physics..the possibilities are endless

[Tangri]

I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)

Those perturbations, including orbital changes of the other planets, would be very evident. If the spheres aren't detectable on any electromagnetic frequency, and also have no operative mass (generating gravitational effects), then for all intents and purposes they don't exist at all in our dimension.

You can't have it both ways. :)

Ok, let me change the word frequency for 'dimension' then. Even though frequency, as I understand it, is the more correct term (I did say 'visible' though so that was my mistake). Just because we cannot detect something does not mean it isn't there and I'm still surprised you would discount something in such a manner!


MorningFox, I'm surprised you would buy that easily this science-fiction:



At no point did I say I believed it. I even prefaced my post with 'I don't necessarily believe it'. I just think that discounting something because it has not been detected... 'so it must not be there' mentality is a bit surprising, especially from Bill.


Hi there :) — I intended no disrespect in my post. I was really wanting to offer some thinking tools to help members (and guests!) evaluate these assertions.

If something is invisible in the light spectrum, undetectable on any other frequency, and has no mass, then a good metaphysical (or physical!) question may be to ask what "it's there" really means.

Ghosts exist too, I'm 100% sure, but they too are invisible and [seemingly] have no mass. So if these spheres are 'ghostly' objects in that sense, then maybe the claims that have been made need to be re-examined in that context.

The inferences made by Wilcock and others certainly seem to be that these are solid objects, not immaterial non-physical somethings.

I am not an ET discussion's fan. I believe what we have here(in Terra) more malicious and important than ET's, because of their acts' affects.

It is nice to see you changed the tune. Your first reply was a very arguable one.

"I referred to the spheres' mass, because even if they were not in the visible spectrum (or any other EM spectrum), their invisible enormous mass would cause apocalyptic gravitational effects on the orbits of everything else.

(And many asteroids and comets would be crashing into them, as well. If they had deflectors, then we'd simply see the asteroids and comets being deflected.)"

I know that you know, we have some entities in earth which have mass and they do not hit us every day, meantime they are with us and sharing same spot and they can be visible and materialised at any-time with will.
In my humble opinion(IMHO), it related with time manipulation 2(5 or 6 or 1000) objects can share same space at different times [Past, present, future and last but not least, alternate (unwritten-unwitnessed)]
I believe our Earth is a unique planet while allowing all possibilities at the same place and still have experimentation on mixture of DNA interactions behalf of all over universes.
First, I was upset the people who cares more ET aliens than terrestrial ones but nowadays I accept their works which could help them to understand what is going on here(Terra). They will gain a vantage point to see.

I believe, Terra is a playground in daycare centre which held hostage by supply teachers.

[Dennis Leahy]

... I'm surprised you of all people would discount something like that in such a blasé and narrow minded manner, I must say.Astounding. Calling someone "narrow-minded" for not believing the latest fantasy to tickle the alt-gullible-believer-sphere. hahahahahahahaha

MorningFox, there are eleven neon-pink giraffe-people inhabiting a 1 kilometer square cube - in your left nostril. I KNOW it's true (an insider told me so!) They are "cloaked", plus they are able to alter our/your reality so you cannot feel them all jammed-up in your nostril. "Tactile-cloaking" is the name of the technology. Don't be dismissive! They are real and they are there. Please don't sneeze - it messes with their ability to remain tactile-cloaked.

You HAVE to admit it might be true, or else (by your standard) you declare yourself to be narrow-minded (even though your left nostril is stretched out REALLY BIG!)

[Dennis Leahy]

...

Jake I always appreciate your point of view.

As I do the rest of the administrators, but at times, it feels like you guys agree with Bill to an almost embarrassing extent.
There is a certain appearance that when Bill gives the party line, you guys follow.

I appreciate the opinion of all of the administrators, but it would feel more genuine from you guys if you did not put up such an obvious united front.

The result is, your message feels disingenuous.

... There are no marching orders behind the scenes, my friend.. With depest respect to Bill, I do NOT ask permission to speak from the heart,, nor do I worry about disagreeing with or contradicting Bill. ...
Bill has never once told me what to say or do, outside normal mod duties. My experiences and opinions are my own..

Jake

If you read Jake's words (or mine) you will potentially be reading them at the same time as Bill, admins, and mods. Unrehearsed. Not pre-approved.

C'mon, do you really think we have a powwow behind the curtain to figure out what we're going to say - about what color a goddamned dress is, or whether or not our solar system is now chock-full of bluebird-people in planet-sized invisible spheres?????? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe, just maybe, Bill has attracted some people to work as mods/admins with a modicum of discernment and common sense. Could that possibly be what you're experiencing, en-masse, from the mods/admins and Bill?

Oh, why did I visit this thread!


Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day, yes sir!

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Everything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, feeling this way

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bluebird-man? Mm-hm!
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!

-with apologies to Allie Wrubel & Ray Gilbert

[Harley]

Feels like it's the Off-season (https://www.google.com/search?q=off+season&oq=off+season&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.4350j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8) to me.
:)

[Tangri]

... I'm surprised you of all people would discount something like that in such a blasé and narrow minded manner, I must say.Astounding. Calling someone "narrow-minded" for not believing the latest fantasy to tickle the alt-gullible-believer-sphere. hahahahahahahaha

MorningFox, there are eleven neon-pink giraffe-people inhabiting a 1 kilometer square cube - in your left nostril. I KNOW it's true (an insider told me so!) They are "cloaked", plus they are able to alter our/your reality so you cannot feel them all jammed-up in your nostril. "Tactile-cloaking" is the name of the technology. Don't be dismissive! They are real and they are there. Please don't sneeze - it messes with their ability to remain tactile-cloaked.

You HAVE to admit it might be true, or else (by your standard) you declare yourself to be narrow-minded (even though your left nostril is stretched out REALLY BIG!)

Hahahahaaha ! You made me laugh,
But you might be right even they may be with an 10 elephant people:p

Think pocket universes or pocket dimensions, maybe you can see what the things in your living room are.

As you see I am still not saying a dime thing about OP.

[DNA]

...

Jake I always appreciate your point of view.

As I do the rest of the administrators, but at times, it feels like you guys agree with Bill to an almost embarrassing extent.
There is a certain appearance that when Bill gives the party line, you guys follow.

I appreciate the opinion of all of the administrators, but it would feel more genuine from you guys if you did not put up such an obvious united front.

The result is, your message feels disingenuous.

... There are no marching orders behind the scenes, my friend.. With depest respect to Bill, I do NOT ask permission to speak from the heart,, nor do I worry about disagreeing with or contradicting Bill. ...
Bill has never once told me what to say or do, outside normal mod duties. My experiences and opinions are my own..

Jake

If you read Jake's words (or mine) you will potentially be reading them at the same time as Bill, admins, and mods. Unrehearsed. Not pre-approved.

C'mon, do you really think we have a powwow behind the curtain to figure out what we're going to say - about what color a goddamned dress is, or whether or not our solar system is now chock-full of bluebird-people in planet-sized invisible spheres?????? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe, just maybe, Bill has attracted some people to work as mods/admins with a modicum of discernment and common sense. Could that possibly be what you're experiencing, en-masse, from the mods/admins and Bill?

Oh, why did I visit this thread!


Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day, yes sir!

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actual
Everything is satisfactual
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, feeling this way

Mister Bluebird-man's on my shoulder
It is the truth, it's actual... huh?
Where is that bluebird-man? Mm-hm!
Everything is satisfactual

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!

-with apologies to Allie Wrubel & Ray Gilbert


I think your dismissive and sarcastic tone would indicate I hit a nerve. Funny how that happens when the truth is spoken.

[Aspen]

Well I am glad people are able to laugh about it. I was trying to describe this thread to my husband and explained that these people are like 8 foot tall birds, like Big Bird on Sesame Street, but blue. I am imagining a royal blue, and the people a bit more dignified and humanoid shaped.
I agree with others that the Blue Avians may be fantasy, but then again what if they are not? If David Wilcock hadn't said it I wouldn't have paid attention. Avalon is my escape from my own very real world of dealing with heavy topics like my job of seeing clients who have been abused or are offenders. But of course, I am hoping that there are some answers (or the possibility of pointing us in the right direction of answers ) or I wouldn't spend any time on this site. I don't really know if it is wise to trust the agenda's of any aliens. Hopefully whatever their agenda's are, some of them are in agreement with the Highest good of what the collective humanity would want.
Maybe if there are spheres, it is simply a continuation of the experiment that GoodETxsg mentioned - the one million year long experiment in which we are lab rats and a genetic experiment, a genetic combination of many different ETs. Or maybe humans are unique in some way that we are not aware of and that is why there is so much interest. Perhaps beings from other dimensions are curious about what could happen at this time with earth moving into this part of the galaxy etc etc. and are participating by softening or slowing down potentially cataclysmic forces because we as humans have not figured out how to do that yet. It remains to be seen why they would do that. . . . hopefully some day we get to find out and its not a part of some horrible plan. Overall I am not too concerned because I believe we probably reincarnate and will end up somewhere else if not here. Enjoying the unique times as much as I can!

[Feritciva]

I find the posts and reactions of Avalonians way more interesting and informative than whole Blue Avian race story!

[Agape]

It's more like 'creating a story' , imagination is extremely powerful tool. Someone has a vision ( imaginative ) and feels this is true . Then others add a piece and evolve the idea ( and supply some so called 'references' ) .
It seems to be originating with 'GoodeETxSG' who also enters the Sphere , breaches the protocols, after initially 'remote viewing' the Sphere , the other parties involved ( imaginary people from DARPA, the Pentagon, and often named 'Secret Projects' are all in his back .. ) , then 'leaks' it to David W , quoting unnamed source , and then comments on his own story from the other side of the 'imagination mirror' .
Welcome to Wonderland .
He is no way alone . Many people do live with such beautiful ( some also terrifying ) imaginations , some become world known writers , many ( even if secretly ) believe in reality of their imaginations and there's always the proverbial 'seed of truth' in them all , at least so they insist . But very few also claim their imaginations being 'entirely real' or 'leaking them' in form of 'witness testimony' .

I remember a chapter from Robert Fulghum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fulghum) whose books and quotes I came to love long ago ,
where he talked of talking to the 'voice in his head' ( we all do it even if not admitting ) but in his case , he spoke of talking to the 'committee of elders' instead, each with different character , assignment and opinion.
So you can well imagine talking to several ET species, emissary from DARPA, Vatican , China and anyone else whom you can fit in to your 'committee' . And there's no one in the whole world to tell you if/that you actually didn't talk to them , and well , of course, the committee comes to some really powerful conclusions at the end too.

...

So to expand on the 'Blue Avians' in a Sphere story , they're quite harmless in my opinion ( but that's ''IMHO'' ;), you'll soon understand why .. and pardon me if using these 'internet abbreviations ' unless you're in extreme rush is something I do not condone ) .
I can well imagine how they float here in the same manner we send a bus trip full of school children to the Safari or to the ZOO , maybe Safari is better allegory because you're not supposed to get off the bus but merely to observe .

After all , we are 'caged here' . So it's a beautiful allegory in many ways because we often keep birds in cages then watch them and then these 'big blue birds' come and watch us being caged here .

They can't ( or shouldn't ) intervene being 'in the other dimension' , well, I admit that Bill is most correct where the physics of the story is concerned things do not fit easily ( even 'higher dimensional object' , especially one of such proportions would influence events in 'our dimensions' ) but maybe - probably - that's another part of the story to be 'leaked' later and how events on Earth will be affected .

In either case, I don't imagine they're in for 'breeding experiment' but rather to watch and we're being as curious to them as they are to us .

No 'Blue Bird Child' is supposed to exit the bus ( Sphere ) but I can imagine one or two will always do that and vice versa .. well , they may like to have one or two ( oh sorry, one, it was 'only the Goode' ) humans in , cuddle him for a while , sing him a song ..and hopefully .. let him home .
I don't think their school authorities would allow carrying 'living specimen' back home as it would breach many rules and treaties .

If 'evacuating' some humans is on mission plan though the story turns far more exciting because 'Big Blue Birds' may have really nice, clean , spacy dimensional homes for each human group with plenty of fresh food appearing 'out of nowhere' each morning .

The odds are , being Blue Birds they can sing and communicate with musical language that may be pretty complicated so don't think we would ever be intelligent enough to learn it except for basics but , it maybe beautiful one .

Well, now the opinions .. of course , what can the group of parrots in cage we go to see in the ZOO make of human visitors really ? Suppose they have imagination and can talk ?
Are we good ? Are we bad ? Are we friends ? Do we come to breed with them ? ;) ( I know that would be fun but it's hardly the case ) . Do we kill birds occasionally ? Feed them antibiotics ? ( Oh please , don't mention the story about chickens and McDonalds, it's a tale , not true ;) )

So we can talk . I think they send these 'school trips' around here regularly, that's how the myth of 'Great Blue Bird' evolved .

These were the few who ran away on that occasion thinking they can live here, in the wild .

Knock knock on the Mirror wall, Blue Bird can you hear me .. saying Hi . You're beautiful. You too. Are you happy in there ? Not really . But I can't get you out right now, they don't allow . Hope next time . Ok, get ready . Sing me a song please ...
Which song ?
One about Love and another about your Planet ..

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I'd like to conclude this 'chapter' with quote from Robert Fulghum in either case ..my favourite ..

“I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge. That myth is more potent than history. That dreams are more powerful than facts. That hope always triumphs over experience. That laughter is the only cure for grief. And I believe that love is stronger than death.”
― Robert Fulghum, All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten



....it's a long long night ....



:grouphug:

[Maunagarjana]

David also stated indirectly that the Avians are a 4th density race (at least this would make sense when it is easier for them to get someone via OBE). In that case their ships must be also 4th density, which means that they'd have almost no physical interaction with 3D reality (no interaction with 3d gravity, not visible).

Latest from DW suggests the Blue Avians are actually ... Ra ... from the Law of One Ra (which would suggest 6th density STO).


Wait....where are you getting this from?? I haven't heard him say this.

UPDATE Ohhh, I see....there are more comments he left on Fulford's blog.

About the possibility of them being the Ra group....I seriously doubt it, but it's an interesting possibility. I'm pretty sure that the Ra group said they are nonphysical at this point. They don't even reside on their home planet of Venus anymore. They did say they have in the past taken what they called "thoughtform bodies" that they described as being very tall, very slender, and with golden skin. Based on their description, I imagined them looking sort of like a golden version of the evolved Mecha from the movie AI: Artificial Intelligence. Here's a picture that approximates what I'm thinking of.


https://i.imgur.com/WvKQSyO.jpg


But that was when they were visiting Egypt, back when they said they were 5th density. But I would suppose they could take any thoughtform bodies they want.

[kemo]

Silly question maybe but 100 neptune sized ships to evacuate the Earth? Did I read that correctly at some point? Wouldn't one or even a much smaller vessel be quite sufficient for that purpose?

[donk]

I find the posts and reactions of Avalonians way more interesting and informative than whole Blue Avian race story!

Agreed.

Perhaps the authorities on common sense and discernment, especially the esteemed posters and mods, can tell us which information is ok to mock and who among all of the great "intel" we receive is worthy of PA's time and energy for discerning for the 10-30% truth from the necessary to keep the "for real" guys alive? It seems to be pretty fluid, last month's celebrity insider seems to be this month's whipping boy.

Some categorized lists from respected sources may help us out here, besides particular individuals--I'm a little confused on which beliefs can be condescendingly dismissed and which are concrete, scientific, ok-to-accept "truths"....I mean, how else can we make the content noise-to-info ratio go down?

[Jake]

I find the posts and reactions of Avalonians way more interesting and informative than whole Blue Avian race story!

Agreed.

Perhaps the authorities on common sense and discernment, especially the esteemed posters and mods, can tell us which information is ok to mock and who among all of the great "intel" we receive is worthy of PA's time and energy for discerning for the 10-30% truth from the necessary to keep the "for real" guys alive? It seems to be pretty fluid, last month's celebrity insider seems to be this month's whipping boy.

Some categorized lists from respected sources may help us out here, besides particular individuals--I'm a little confused on which beliefs can be condescendingly dismissed and which are concrete, scientific, ok-to-accept "truths"....I mean, how else can we make the content noise-to-info ratio go down?

Wow! Speaks volumes.. So, you need an authority to tell you what to think and how to react and what to do? Well thats not really what we do here, Donk. :) Perhaps we should stick to topic rather than take shots at others.

Jake

[donk]

You know me so well Jake (your comment also speaks volumes)...almost as well as you know yourself (and this entity you moderate/represent).

Sorry, don't mind me...get back to whatever the topic is...

[Shadowself]

I'm not supporting this theory of spheres and a Blue Avians...but I'd like to share some science that is relevant since it's said these beings are in the realm of RA...you know......THAT RA...An did Bill mention Ghosts?

Check it:


The AKH

Ghosts in ancient Egyptian culture

http://i61.tinypic.com/2ez0enq.jpg

Take note: Mild Blue Light ~ Blueshift And Time Travel
( first few minutes of the video)

YzJpIodQMFM

Coffin Texts Appear in BLUE here for reference.

Unlike the apparent Doppler blueshift, caused by movement of a source towards the observer and thus dependent on the received angle of the photon, gravitational blueshift is real and does not depend on the received angle of the photon:

Photons climbing out of a gravitating object become less energetic. This loss of energy is known as a "redshifting", as photons in the visible spectrum would appear more red. Similarly, photons falling into a gravitational field become more energetic and exhibit a blueshifting. ...

The inner horizon, radiation is blueshifted as it accumulates.

Field of Turquoise and the Blue One, Lake of Turquoise,
traveling with turquoise, Lord of Turquoise, and open door of the blue sky.

Indicates blueshift or the high frequency light associated with
approaching radiation.

In contrast, radiation moving away from the observer appears redshifted.
The Dead King observes:

He who departs is red and smeared...(loss of energy)

"N" has gone up in the red hour.

Approaching Radiation: RA

http://i60.tinypic.com/2w6scci.jpg

... and thou illuminest the Two Lands with rays of turquoise-[coloured] light.

Lord of Turquoise

~

Book of Gates

Any breach of the Law and Apopis will swallow Ra proceeding “from Darkness to Light"

http://i60.tinypic.com/344v30j.jpg

What you believe is all about choice but Blue shift is significant for many reasons if you choose to Believe with some discernment?

I just don't know

IA7002Z5MI0

[Jake]

You know me so well Jake (your comment also speaks volumes)...almost as well as you know yourself (and this entity you moderate/represent). Sorry, don't mind me...get back to whatever the topic is...

Thanks for your permission.. :) The topic is the Blue Avians, the giant spheres, 3d/4d tech, and the implications it has on our understanding of the human condition,,, in the context of DWs newest info from 'sources'...

I happened to take a 'physics' angle, with regards human understandings of physics vs that of higher beings. That is more my comfort zone..

Your angle? Take shots at mods and members, without regards the topic.. Brilliant!!

Do I have your permission to have an opinion?

Jake

[Jake]

I'm not supporting this theory of spheres and a Blue Avians...but I'd like to share some science that is relevant since it's said these beings are in the realm of RA...you know......THAT RA...An did Bill mention Ghosts?

Check it:


The AKH

Ghosts in ancient Egyptian culture

http://i61.tinypic.com/2ez0enq.jpg

Take note: Mild Blue Light ~ Blueshift And Time Travel
( first few minutes of the video)

YzJpIodQMFM

Coffin Texts Appear in BLUE here for reference.

Unlike the apparent Doppler blueshift, caused by movement of a source towards the observer and thus dependent on the received angle of the photon, gravitational blueshift is real and does not depend on the received angle of the photon:

Photons climbing out of a gravitating object become less energetic. This loss of energy is known as a "redshifting", as photons in the visible spectrum would appear more red. Similarly, photons falling into a gravitational field become more energetic and exhibit a blueshifting. ...

The inner horizon, radiation is blueshifted as it accumulates.

Field of Turquoise and the Blue One, Lake of Turquoise,
traveling with turquoise, Lord of Turquoise, and open door of the blue sky.

Indicates blueshift or the high frequency light associated with
approaching radiation.

In contrast, radiation moving away from the observer appears redshifted.
The Dead King observes:

He who departs is red and smeared...(loss of energy)

"N" has gone up in the red hour.

Approaching Radiation: RA

http://i60.tinypic.com/2w6scci.jpg

... and thou illuminest the Two Lands with rays of turquoise-[coloured] light.

Lord of Turquoise

~

Book of Gates

Any breach of the Law and Apopis will swallow Ra proceeding “from Darkness to Light"

http://i60.tinypic.com/344v30j.jpg

What you believe is all about choice but Blue shift is significant for many reasons if you choose to Believe with some discernment?

I just don't know

IA7002Z5MI0

Thank you for the links, fascinating... (Jake sneaks away to view quantum physics vids...)


:):):)

[donk]

Yes sir, you have my permission, thanks for asking. You also have my permission to twist my words to your reality.

With regards to the "topic", my interest in how DW's "source" was venerated, protected, and vaunted into quasi-celebritydom HERE, not so long ago. No to mention DW himself was highly regarded a little longer ago.

Do I have permission to have an opinion (or interest in other's opinions) about that? Not to mention how others' opinions are being treated?

[Shadowself]

(Jake sneaks away to view quantum physics vids...)

Then allow me to assist and become a bit off topic....Maybe...Maybe not.


The peripheral surface of a black hole is an Event Horizon.

If you fall into the black hole you will get crushed.

Egyptian: Second death.

If approached from the inner horizon or the axis of the black hole or the north
pole, the gravitational repulsion of the central singularity slows the entity
down, turning it around, and accelerating it back out through the inner horizon of a
white hole. Put simply, the space axis and time axis exchange places when one crosses
the outer event horizon, and the future becomes an unavoidable place in
time or the crushing singularity. Crossing the inner event horizon, time and space resume their normal axes, making the singularity an avoidable place in space, while allowing access to the past singularity of the white hole. Ultimately, one goes through four horizons

~
Egyptians referred to as the opening of mouths four times. The Opening of the
Mouth ceremony parallels the movement of the Deceased through four horizons.


According to scientific speculations, inside a spinning black hole, the act
of looking backward would allow one to see a white hole or the past singularity.
Since a white hole is a black hole running backward in time, the Negative
Confession of the Book of the Dead describes deities:

"Who come forth backwards".

"He whose Face is behind him who came forth from his hole".

The inner horizon, radiation is blueshifted as it accumulates.

Field of Turquoise and the Blue One, Lake of Turquoise,
traveling with turquoise, Lord of Turquoise, and open door of the blue sky.

Indicates blueshift or the high frequency light associated with
approaching radiation.

In contrast, radiation moving away from the observer appears redshifted.
The Dead King observes:

he who departs is red and smeared

"N" has gone up in the red hour.
(N State described in video below starting at 1:16)



According to Holographic principal: All Information about the black hole is stored on the horizon....The peripheral!

Particles living on the horizon boundary describe objects in the interior.



If what I have just proposed is correct then this ancient culture must certainly KNOW the landscape of space and time with great detail to know the redshift and blueshift attributes.

Dead Kings escapes the black hole Netherworld associated with
uraei shedding "light by means of their radiance (which cometh) from their mouths"

or uraei pouring fire from their mouths:

The mouths of a wormhole are analogous to the holes at either end of the tube in a 2D plane...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

a quantum parallel exists between the transformed Deceased and Hawking radiance in the bulk, proposing the existence of large extra dimensions in small black holes.

The Dead King is a horizon dweller: has a
seat in the horizon, and takes possession of the horizon

so that those who are in the horizon may live for this spirit

"My power is in the horizon"

~The Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts - R.O. Faulkner ~


Peripheral Sensor/Surface

Peripheral: Of, relating to, or situated on the edge or periphery of something.

Redefining the Horizon

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~

Back to Coffeeland for me!

http://i62.tinypic.com/j13d6o.jpg

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:cantina:

[jake gittes]

The hostilities are coming from the Cabal's stooges who have to stop David and others like him.

What hostilities are you referring to?

Since you're not going to answer the question, I have to assume you are characterizing those who think Wilcock's bird people saviors is nonsense as "Cabal's stooges." Talk about hostilities!

[Calz]

Hmmm ... interesting thread.

To suggest that we know everything about the Universe (and to what extent our concept of the laws of physics and such apply) seems a stretch to me ...

Proof???

I have zero ... except I *did* spot a Blue Avian just the other day.


[ seems image has been pulled already ... damn those Blue Avian Police ]


http://www.my-favorite-coloring.biz/Images/Large/Famous-characters-The-Smurfs-Flying-Smurf-80175.png

[DNA]

Yes sir, you have my permission, thanks for asking. You also have my permission to twist my words to your reality.

With regards to the "topic", my interest in how DW's "source" was venerated, protected, and vaunted into quasi-celebritydom HERE, not so long ago. No to mention DW himself was highly regarded a little longer ago.

Do I have permission to have an opinion (or interest in other's opinions) about that? Not to mention how others' opinions are being treated?

Donk I think I know what you are saying brother. But for all parties concerned, I'm of the opinion that sarcasm is never a contributer to positive communication. I'm aware Jake and Dennis have been guilty of this recently and it is my opinion that they should know better. It is my guess, that the mod of the mods (Paul) will probably give them a heads up in this department later.
For the record, I've never seen Paul blur his message with sarcasm, not once.

Back to your point Donk.
I'm of the opinion that the mods here have been led to believe that if they say disparaging things regarding Wilcock and or his message that Bill gives them the thumbs up.
They say this is not true behind the scenes, but upon further examination, I'm sure they could reflect and realize certain cues were given, and if subtlety is not a trait they posses they can examine all of their posts which have Bill's thanks and see that this is indeed the case.

I suppose the question we should ask ourselves is "why is Bill upset with David Wilcock?".

In this 2015 interview with David he is asked what the deal is with David Icke saying so many disparaging things about him?
David never once says anything but glowing praise about Icke, Wilcock never lowers himself to Icke's level.
This alone is fairly telling. DAVID WILCOCK 2-6-15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnuVpU5sdcU)

I'm a fan of Bill, not so much of David Icke.
But, if you so much as speak an ill word of David Icke, the mods here are on you like white on rice.
This has to do with Bill's glowing affection for Icke.

Is there bad blood between David Icke and David Wilcock?
Has Bill taken sides in this bad blood?

[donk]

Well said, thanks so much and I agree...and apologize for the sarcasm, stooping to that level, playing the fake-abuser in what I saw as Jake's fake victim game.

I just want to contribute that GoodETxSG (who I first "met" in this very forum, as a "friend" of BR and former mod Christine) is claiming to be the insider from whom DW is getting a lot of material, and I don't see DW denying it anywhere.

While it may not be relevant to discussion on 4d physics or the non-existence of avian or giant spheres, I find it extremely on topic....the "insider" part, anyway...

I also feel the treatment of some posters and opinions as they appear in this thread are beneath supposed PA standards, and felt it necessary to state such--again my apologies for the immature manner and I am grateful to DNA for bring that up and clarifying.

[Jake]

Yes sir, you have my permission, thanks for asking. You also have my permission to twist my words to your reality.

With regards to the "topic", my interest in how DW's "source" was venerated, protected, and vaunted into quasi-celebritydom HERE, not so long ago. No to mention DW himself was highly regarded a little longer ago.

Do I have permission to have an opinion (or interest in other's opinions) about that? Not to mention how others' opinions are being treated?

I absolutely love DW. And I have a special place in my heart for the person to whom you refer. If you knew the extent to which we still protect this person, your head may spin.

That does not mean that I accept blindly what either of them say. DW is a mouthpiece for insiders who refuse to offer proof... That in and of itself is not invalid,, but it is much too slippery a slope to regard any of it as truth.. I consider it, for sure. But can see for myself the way the wind blows...

Nobody tells me what to think,, NOBODY....

Jake

[donk]

Thank you Jake, I didn't let go because I usually feel more of a connection with you than most of the posters around here, and felt you were misinterpretting or misunderstanding me. I beleive we are (as usual) on the same page, and share every single important belief in this discussion that is important to me.

I apologize for anything I said to make you think I was manipulating your thinking or attacking you (or anyone in particular) personally.

[Calz]

DNA, donk, Jake (and yes Dennis among others) are all very passionate about "the truth" and have the strength to be outspoken in presenting or defending their perception of such.

... a good example of why we are drawn here.

Something to always remember and why we must keep our "eye on the prize" and be united and focused.

Energies to remain on solutions yes???

We all know what obstacles we as humanity now face.


imho as always

[DNA]

Yes sir, you have my permission, thanks for asking. You also have my permission to twist my words to your reality.

With regards to the "topic", my interest in how DW's "source" was venerated, protected, and vaunted into quasi-celebritydom HERE, not so long ago. No to mention DW himself was highly regarded a little longer ago.

Do I have permission to have an opinion (or interest in other's opinions) about that? Not to mention how others' opinions are being treated?

I absolutely love DW. And I have a special place in my heart for the person to whom you refer. If you knew the extent to which we still protect this person, your head may spin.

That does not mean that I accept blindly what either of them say. DW is a mouthpiece for insiders who refuse to offer proof... That in and of itself is not invalid,, but it is much too slippery a slope to regard any of it as truth.. I consider it, for sure. But can see for myself the way the wind blows...

Nobody tells me what to think,, NOBODY....

Jake

You are playing that fake victim role Donk was referring to earlier.
This is indeed beneath you.

For the record I"m not Wilcock's biggest fan, nor am I believing this whole Blue Avian thing.
But I'm astounded at the priority level given by Bill and the mods in what is no less than a smear campaign against David Wilcock.

This forum is better than that.
Let people decide for themselves what they want to spend their investigative time on.

[Jake]

I am at a loss to what you are talking about with regards a fake victim game. The only fake victim game that I see is when someone suggests that ET is here to save us.. to me, that is fantasy, and the direct opposite of sovereignty... We must save ourselves. I am sorry if I did not make that clear..

A smear campaign? Have you ever actually seen one? They are brutal, well organized and quite obvious...

I would throw down me robes and quit faster enough to make ALL of our heads spin if it was even suggested.. You speak of what you DO NOT know.

I understand that this is a conspiracy friendly forum and by default, we have some folks keeping one eye open, and trying to keep admins/mods in check.. I welcome it. But complete blind conjecture baffles me..


Love to all,
Jake

[Calz]

But I'm astounded at the priority level given by Bill and the mods in what is no less than a smear campaign against David Wilcock.




Guess this is more than a full moon thing ...


I remember Bill defending DW in the past to the degree that when other members were piling on Bill would suggest that David was his friend (paraphrasing).

Yes ... Bill has not been on board some of what David has been suggesting (ascension and so on) at least from memory and my perception ... yet to suggest a "smear campaign" and the mods co-ordinating a united message seems a bit harsh does it not???


Let's take a step back and look at this as people ... no mods vs members ... no police state ...


People defend their perception of reality ... ***ALL*** of us ... correct???


Perhaps DW is (as some suggest) an unwitting tool ... or perhaps he is truly on things that most of us have yet to see???


I followed DW's work back when he was putting his accumulation of gathered (yes from others) evidence of changes on all the planets of our solar system.


He has done well imho overall yet has been taken to task when offering up things based on "insider sources".


Anyway ... he (along with Fulford) has become a lightning rod of sorts.


I don't think moderation has done anything other than the general membership has in offering pause at some of the messages.


I stopped posting about Wilcock quite some time ago cuz I got tired of the personal attacks ...

[Dawn]

This is humorous. Since 2/20/15 I have had an urge to purchase brilliant blue macaw tail feathers. I have combed the internet for them and have some beauties in my little home now. I have never had the slightest urge to buy feathers before, though I have always felt they were gifts to me when hiking and treasured many over the years.

So, here I am, spending money to purchase natural brilliant blue feathers for the past 3 weeks. And... all the while thinking I am crazy. I have no plans to do anything with them or make anything. I have them displayed in flower vases and on the walls of our little home.

I missed this thread until today. Ha Ha Ha on me. I apparently have been receiving very subtle information about the return of these beings and aligning myself with them.

Today I decided to wear some in my hair, as the native American indians used to do. I am in a state of humorous delight.

[Calz]

This is humorous. Since 2/20/15 I have had an urge to purchase brilliant blue macaw tail feathers. I have combed the internet for them and have some beauties in my little home now. I have never had the slightest urge to buy feathers before, though I have always felt they were gifts to me when hiking and treasured many over the years.

So, here I am, spending money to purchase natural brilliant blue feathers for the past 3 weeks. And... all the while thinking I am crazy. I have no plans to do anything with them or make anything. I have them displayed in flower vases and on the walls of our little home.

I missed this thread until today. Ha Ha Ha on me. I apparently have been receiving very subtle information about the return of these beings and aligning myself with them.

Today I decided to wear some in my hair, as the native American indians used to do. I am in a state of humorous delight.


Love it Dawn.

You are one of the truly connected souls here.

We are surely living in ... interesting ... times.

Thanks for sharing that.

[DNA]

I am at a loss to what you are talking about with regards a fake victim game.

Jake when you spoke this phrase,




Nobody tells me what to think,, NOBODY....



It was saying that you are a victim of David Wilcock's information. Kind of like when Patrick Swayze stated to Jennifer Grey in the movie Dirty Dancing.
"No one puts baby in the corner, no one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28A9Jgo92GQ)."

Last I checked Wilcock wasn't strapping anybody in a chair ala "Clock Work Orange". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJRmoIDVc)







The only fake victim game that I see is when someone suggests that ET is here to save us.. to me, that is fantasy, and the direct opposite of sovereignty...

It is fantasy, and in my opinion many folks are occasionally in need of fantasy.
I myself was getting caught up in the fantasy.
It's kind of like how you let yourself go when you buy a lottery ticket, you don't really think you are going to win, but you enjoy the fantasy just the same.



We must save ourselves. I am sorry if I did not make that clear..

A smear campaign? Have you ever actually seen one? They are brutal, well organized and quite obvious...

There are varying intensity levels in this regard, as I'm sure you can recognize.


I would throw down me robes and quit faster enough to make ALL of our heads spin if it was even suggested.. You speak of what you DO NOT know.

I speak of what I see. I allow for the fact I may be wrong.



I understand that this is a conspiracy friendly forum and by default, we have some folks keeping one eye open, and trying to keep admins/mods in check.. I welcome it. But complete blind conjecture baffles me..


Love to all,
Jake

I'm not saying this is Fox news in how it is treating Ron Paul.
Well on second thought. :)

Look, I'm just speaking what I see.
That is all.

[Jake]

I am at a loss to what you are talking about with regards a fake victim game.

Jake when you spoke this phrase,




Nobody tells me what to think,, NOBODY....



It was saying that you are a victim of David Wilcock's information. Kind of like when Patrick Swayze stated to Jennifer Grey in the movie Dirty Dancing.
"No one puts baby in the corner, no one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28A9Jgo92GQ)."

Last I checked Wilcock wasn't strapping anybody in a chair ala "Clock Work Orange". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJRmoIDVc)







The only fake victim game that I see is when someone suggests that ET is here to save us.. to me, that is fantasy, and the direct opposite of sovereignty...

It is fantasy, and in my opinion many folks are occasionally in need of fantasy.
I myself was getting caught up in the fantasy.
It's kind of like how you let yourself go when you buy a lottery ticket, you don't really think you are going to win, but you enjoy the fantasy just the same.



We must save ourselves. I am sorry if I did not make that clear..

A smear campaign? Have you ever actually seen one? They are brutal, well organized and quite obvious...

There are varying intensity levels in this regard, as I'm sure you can recognize.


I would throw down me robes and quit faster enough to make ALL of our heads spin if it was even suggested.. You speak of what you DO NOT know.

I speak of what I see. I allow for the fact I may be wrong.



I understand that this is a conspiracy friendly forum and by default, we have some folks keeping one eye open, and trying to keep admins/mods in check.. I welcome it. But complete blind conjecture baffles me..


Love to all,
Jake

I'm not saying this is Fox news in how it is treating Ron Paul.
Well on second thought. :)

Look, I'm just speaking what I see.
That is all.

Thank you for the clarification,, fair enough. I will take pause to consider the 'victim' thing, as I am still a bit unsure what is meant. To me, refusing to let someone tell me what, why, and how to think is a positive step to becoming sovereign and independent. The OPPOSITE of a victim.. And looking to be saved (by Jebus or ET or otherwise) is also the opposite of personal sovereignty.. Accepting that we have no power to save ourselves is a victim mentality IMHO...

going to meditate...

Jake

[DNA]

It's cool Jake my brother
I'm not here to start friction.

Maybe it is the full moon. :)

[Dawn]

Oh... and I wanted to add an update (don't desire changing my above post since a few people have already looked at it and 'thanked' me).

There have been some posts in this thread saying that this is 'JUST IMAGINATION'. IMHO imagination is dismissed in this way by our programming.
And the programming to dismiss it begins when we are very small babies.
We are taught what we are allowed to be aware of by parents who say, "Its not real, that's just your imagination"

I have wondered over the years as I have developed the wisdom of 64 years.... WHAT IS IMAGINATION ANYWAY?
Is it a complete put down of our natural gifts and personal power to say , "IT IS JUST IMAGINATION"

What if our reality is created by our ability to IMAGE-IN-A-TION.
Does the true meaning show up when we take this word apart into syllables?
Are we CREATING AN IMAGE INTO A STATE OF BEING when we imagine?
That would be the meaning of these syllables if we look at the word's roots.

Perhaps our dreamtime is the MOST important time we actually have control over, and I have considered the possibility lately that we may have TPTB projecting their agendas into our dreamtime in order to influence the reality we continue to create. It is our minds that are imprisoned and forced to re-create a dualistic reality moment by moment.

If this idea has any merit then I'd like to add an experience I've had this week over the course of the past 3 nights. Let me say that I started taking homeopathic arum metallicum (gold) and white powder gold 7 days ago in order to stop some of the psychic attack I have experienced for the past 20 years. This gold ingestion may be responsible for slightly more conscious dreaming during the past 3 nights. Each night I awoke suddenly in the middle of dreamtime in order to pull my consciousness and dream co-creation out of a scenario that I did not want to participate in. Last night I pulled myself out of such an event when a device which emitted frequencies was to be put into effect, killing selected people. I was asked to participate in 'pushing the button' to activate this... and I refused by snapping myself out of dreamtime.

Can anyone prove anything at all about dreamtime here in 3D?
Is dreamtime spent in the frequency belts which surround and interpenetrate the earth, such as the astral realm, causal realm and so on?
Of course not... for our parents and society carefully trained all of us humans NOT to be aware of ANYTHING that does not fit the acceptable normal.

BUT, speak to a young child before their abilities have been programmed out of their awareness.... Ahhh THEN the available information about all of this is very different!

Why couldn't there be new beings coming into the astral realm? Perhaps they came to participate with us in our dreamtime world in order to stop interference by TPTB. Perhaps they even the fight out by helping us remain clear as we dream/imagine our reality so that we can have a chance to create something that is not about domination and control here on earth?

Seems to me that this discussion has not been expansive enough. I tell you, the older I get and the more I experience, the more I know that I DO NOT KNOW anything solid about this reality. I am full of questions... and questions have opened many doors of deeper understanding.

[Calz]

Oh... and I wanted to add an update (don't desire changing my above post since a few people have already looked at it and 'thanked' me).

There have been some posts in this thread saying that this is 'JUST IMAGINATION'. IMHO imagination is dismissed in this way by our programming.
And the programming to dismiss it begins when we are very small babies.
We are taught what we are allowed to be aware of by parents who say, "Its not real, that's just your imagination"

I have wondered over the years as I have developed the wisdom of 64 years.... WHAT IS IMAGINATION ANYWAY?
Is it a complete put down of our natural gifts and personal power to say , "IT IS JUST IMAGINATION"

What if our reality is created by our ability to IMAGE-IN-A-TION.
Does the true meaning show up when we take this word apart into syllables?
Are we CREATING AN IMAGE INTO A STATE OF BEING when we imagine?
That would be the meaning of these syllables if we look at the word's roots.

Perhaps our dreamtime is the MOST important time we actually have control over, and I have considered the possibility lately that we may have TPTB projecting their agendas into our dreamtime in order to influence the reality we continue to create. It is our minds that are imprisoned and forced to re-create a dualistic reality moment by moment.

If this idea has any merit then I'd like to add an experience I've had this week over the course of the past 3 nights. Let me say that I started taking homeopathic arum metallicum (gold) and white powder gold 7 days ago in order to stop some of the psychic attack I have experienced for the past 20 years. This gold ingestion may be responsible for slightly more conscious dreaming during the past 3 nights. Each night I awoke suddenly in the middle of dreamtime in order to pull my consciousness and dream co-creation out of a scenario that I did not want to participate in. Last night I pulled myself out of such an event when a device which emitted frequencies was to be put into effect, killing selected people. I was asked to participate in 'pushing the button' to activate this... and I refused by snapping myself out of dreamtime.

Can anyone prove anything at all about dreamtime here in 3D?
Is dreamtime spent in the frequency belts which surround and interpenetrate the earth, such as the astral realm, causal realm and so on?
Of course not... for our parents and society carefully trained all of us humans NOT to be aware of ANYTHING that does not fit the acceptable normal.

BUT, speak to a young child before their abilities have been programmed out of their awareness.... Ahhh THEN the available information about all of this is very different!

Why couldn't there be new beings coming into the astral realm? Perhaps they came to participate with us in our dreamtime world in order to stop interference by TPTB. Perhaps they even the fight out by helping us remain clear as we dream/imagine our reality so that we can have a chance to create something that is not about domination and control here on earth?

Seems to me that this discussion has not been expansive enough. I tell you, the older I get and the more I experience, the more I know that I DO NOT KNOW anything solid about this reality. I am full of questions... and questions have opened many doors of deeper understanding.

I was trying to parse out something that didn't matter to shorten the post ... and I couldn't find anything.

Imagine that ...

y2pLFfM-9ns

[Dawn]

Calz: I was trying to parse out something that didn't matter to shorten the post ... and I couldn't find anything.

That is a lovely comment Calz... and YES... the Beatles KNEW this ... which is what inspired their wonderful song.

I just got back from a long barefoot walk in the foamy waves of the Pacific ocean and the brilliant white crystaline sand of Pismo Beach on the California central coast, where I currently live.

Funny how a walk like that can aid in clearing the mind to the next level. I realized I did not go far enough into looking at the word IMAGINATION

Let me try it again


I-Mag(e)-in-a- tion

I--- well that is the great I AM that we truly are at our root
Mage(e)--- A magician or learned person
in-- inside
a
tion--- this syllable can have a couple of meanings. It either means an 'act of' , 'state of', or 'result of'

So we have a word which has been belittled since our birth by our culture and teachings

I am a learned magician in a(n) act of...
I am a learned magician in a state of...
I am a learned magician in a result of...



Here's a second look at this word imagination
I-magi-nation

I- I Am
Magi- learned magician
Nation- breed, stock, species, race... native
or (even older) be born or bring into existence (as in bear/born a child)

Putting this together we have:

I am (a) learned magician bringing into existence

Further the root of the I word means "YES"

So Now we have
YES (I am a), learned magician bringing (reality) into existence

Wow... what the H***ll do you think the statement 'It is just your imagination' does to us all????
I don't know about you... but this doesn't seem like anything we should all agree is meaningless!

Our reality seems to be a result of an agreement... that we dream the same dream together... and then we can create individual bubbles within it.

I am very careful of David Wilcock because IMHO, much of what he says is designed for shock and awe value
... in other words it is designed to trigger fear in us. Anyone who is deliberately stirring up fear is not my friend,
for I no longer wish to live in a world which is co-created on a base of fear and catastrophobia.

I find David Wilcox's posts filled with truth mixed with untruth... so I always take him
very lightly and do not seek his counsel unless someone here on Avalon brings up one
of his posts

[TelosianEmbrace]

I am humbled by what I do not know.

Do I, in my limited understanding, have the ability to comprehend the technical capabilities of all beings in the universe?

[Dennis Leahy]

"The Project Avalon Forum: Where science and spirituality meet."

All of this from one guy who has declared himself not only an insider, but with the power to see cloaked/invisible objects and meet with invisible/blue/bird-men. "The old, "I can see them, but you can't" ruse.

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise. Of course, anyone can invoke the magical phrase "extra dimensional" and subvert physical reality - allowing various dimensions to cohabit the same space. They very fact of mentioning the color "blue" speaks of 3rd dimensional visual perception, so if anyone is going to invoke magical phrases, they may want to first figure out if these planet-sized spheres (are they invisible, or did our "insider" discern them using his retinas?) are composed of physical energy (with a charge, one would assume, that would interact with physical solar objects) or physical objects with physical properties but that are "cloaked" (which is the narrative) and would react with solar objects, solar "winds", energy flow to the Earth's magnetosphere, etc.

Jake's post showed how this narrative does not fit into a mature spiritual outlook. (my paraphrase) The bluebird-men in the planetary-sized spheres narrative holds the old-paradigm "savior" meme. Jake cut through it like a spiritual warrior. (Brilliant post, Jake!)

My post (rudimentary, even low-brow compared to Jake's) took umbrage at the notion that Avalon staffers are sycophantic or echo Bill's "party line." How discrediting to Jake. No one but Jake could have made that post. Bill has strengths, but a completely different skillset than Jake's. Jake couldn't (and has no desire to) mimic, mime, or copy Bill. Bill couldn't have written what Jake wrote. Go back and read Jake's post again. And again. These are the words of a very experienced astral traveler, someone who understands the spirit realm at a much more profound conscious level than most of us (certainly me.) Jake is not only telling us his opinion that the story is spiritually absurd, he's giving us - succinctly - the tools we need to discern this for ourselves.

Please don't get lost in being miffed that I scoffed at this giant-sphere-blue-bird-man narrative, nor congratulate yourself for just believing that anything anyone proposes is possible, and calling that being "open minded." It's not open-minded, it's empty-headed. It lacks discernment, and without discernment, how are you (we/I) going to evolve spiritually?

[Omni]

I personally find it highly improbable that any race would be traveling in 100 mothership or bigger sized spacecrafts to our solar system.

I'm well aware of interdimensional technology as I have witnessed it for myself conclusively in person. What happens in that case is they phase shift to another plane of existence entirely, a brand new set of 3d, a parallel dimension to earth's dimension(empty dimensions other than what has been put there technologically). When in another plane of existence it is true gravity does not affect our own dimension. However the premise of 100 Jupiter sized orbships traveling to our solar system just strikes me as disinformation. Also if they had materialized in our dimension unless they were phased to be ethereal(which happens when they travel superluminally) it would indeed cause potentially catastrophic gravitational changes to our solar system IMO as Bill provided.

The "insider" that is the source of this story I know for a fact has no clue about ETs in the ways I have debated him in the past. It is conclusive to my own knowledge obtained from conclusive experiences he was full of it when it came to ET information. I suspect this is no different. The "downloads" he is receiving I have very little doubt are coming from the same source as the Ra material though, and that is the shadow governments....

My 2 cents.

[Dennis Leahy]

...I'm of the opinion that the mods here have been led to believe that if they say disparaging things regarding Wilcock and or his message that Bill gives them the thumbs up. ... Do you prefer to hold your opinion as sacred, or would you prefer to actually know the facts?

Bill has never led me to believe that it is OK to say disparaging things about David Wilcock. There has been NO powwow in the back room about what to say or how to say it regarding Wilcock or this bluebirdman/planet-sized sphere tale (that would have been rejected from the National Enquirer.) None. Zero. Nada. My comments are mine. I thunk 'em up and typed 'em out after shaking my head.

Bill has said on numerous occasions that he likes David Wilcock. I don't know the guy, but my impression is a melange. For example, I think he reported the Keenan/bonds stuff like a reporter with integrity, without hyping or fluffing it up. At other times, he falls victim to overly trusting his sources, and gets sucked down the drain. I suspect he is an honest and sincere guy, and could pass a polygraph on whatever he writes - he believes it is true. That is different from "it is true" however, and this particular story is making it appear that he has bought this "insider's" claim of being a clairvoyant/clairaudient insider hook, line, and sinker. If he stops and thinks about it (and maybe if he would read Jake's post and revisit some of his own material on the "field"), it would be the bucket of cold water he needs to 'snap out of it', and he would see the spiritual absurdity of any and all savior memes, including this one.

(And now, I'm going to hit the "post quick reply" button, and you and Bill and anyone else can all read my words - which I stand by - at the same time. What I'm feeling at this moment is kinda stupid for spending my time creating this and my previous post. Nothing I say is going to convince some people that their fantasy of mindless, obedient, sycophantic mods and admins is about as far from the truth as can be. So, continue to enjoy your fantasy, and the bluebirdmen fantasy too. I don't intend to add any more to - or subtract from - this thread again.)

[onawah]

Hey Dennis, it's nice to see you on the Mod team. Thanks for doing that!

[Aspen]

I love Agape's analogy of the school bus coming to look at the "caged" humans. It reminds me of the magic school bus books with the funky school teacher. It would indeed be ironic if they were admiring us the way that we admire animals at the zoo! lol

[Aspen]

A bit more info from https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/comments-by-david-wilcock-several-of-them-on-ben-fulfords-3-2-15-article/

apparently the "slowing down" they are claiming to do is related to politicial events in the world, not geological, and they could appear in any form they choose; but chose the bird type form. They also claim to be able to appear anywhere at will and are working with one of the five groups of the secret space program (Solar Warden) that is working against the cabal. Wilcock calls them angelic beings and they are one of four different types of sphere beings. Many of us may be getting "downloads" from the blue avians at this time. . . . .

Posted on 2015/03/02 by kauilapele


"David_Wilcock_Search129David has been quite active this morning, and shares some fascinating (and uplifting) intel data he has received.


“The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.”…

“The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

“The Blue Avians appear to be the same Ra that delivered the Law of One. They started out as a positive source — which were drawn as the hawk-headed “Gods” well after they left — and were quickly misconstrued as negative. They repeatedly say in the Law of One that the hawk is their symbol.

“I do not know if we are ever going to actually see the Blue Avians. This group works behind the scenes… However, if the Snowden documents contain tons of data on the Secret Space Program, then we may be in store for a wild ride. That would be the closest we would get to a confirmation that this data about the spheres is correct.

“…one of the things that has made the Cabal so upset is the Blue Avians have short-circuited them and have gone directly out and contacted the people. This can come in the form of a visible orb of light in the room. Most of the people getting this are being “downloaded” some sort of information… I think a great number of us have had some degree of “downloading” from these angelic beings already, whether we realize it or not.”

——————————————————————-

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 12:19 am



100 spheres the size of either Neptune or Jupiter have entered our solar system in the last 2-3 years.

The Pentagon and Cabal people got really excited about this at first because they thought these spheres were the return of their Anunnaki gods. However, the spheres remained cloaked with an advanced system that did not allow them to see inside, and did not respond to communications.

The Cabal used an advanced weapon to fire on one of the Moon-sized ones in mid-December. The object lit up, becoming a bright red spot in the sky that people saw (significantly smaller than the Moon, since it was farther away) and redirected the beam back to the base it came from. This caused serious damage and some loss of life.

Since that time we have had the no-fly zone around the earth and the quarantine around our solar system. No one who was already here is being allowed to leave — either from Earth or any of the “colonies,” as they are called. They cannot even get communications out. No one else appears to be able to get in either.

The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.” As silly as this may sound, they are eight-foot-tall humanoids derived from avian life, with birdlike heads and bright indigo-blue feathers. They have more or less normal-looking hands and feet. The head is a synergy between bird and human features. There are other avian types out there as well. It is not common but it does occur.

One of my insiders got pulled into a meeting that was very serious. We didn’t know if he was going to come out of it alive, or at least not without being heavily tortured and screamed at for what he had told me and what was leaked. Only later did we realize that the Blue Avians had personally requested him.

He was guaranteed by them that he would not be harmed. They told him many things. One thing they felt was very important was that they have not had ANY contact or communications with the Cabal. One of the five main factions in the Space Program, named Solar Warden, is allied with them now, and they are working with the Alliance on earth, but never the Cabal.

I had mistakenly said on Coast they had some contact with the Cabal and they corrected it.

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

That’s as much as I know now. I do not for a minute believe the insider was lying to me. He was deeply shaken and profoundly moved by this experience.

– David

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 12:30 am

I should also say that originally he was supposed to go through the Space Program people first before being brought to an area where the Blue Avians would meet with him.

They had made it clear that he had “huge holes” in his “security” papers, that this was “not protocol,” and that there would be “disciplinary action” for what he had done (i.e. talking to me and leaking data online.)

He was very concerned about this and I didn’t know if he was going to come back alive. He was already grabbed, disciplined and tortured in December, so this looked like another round that could be even worse.

Anyway, he was supposedly going to get picked up at 3AM, three nights ago now. That didn’t happen.

Before the pickup was supposed to occur, he told me the Blue Avians had asked for him by name. This apparently was the first time they had ever spoken to the Cabal directly.

Once he told me this, I said he needed to re-frame the whole thing and not look at it as a negative. In fact, if these people are who they appear to be, it was a VERY positive event — and puts him in a remarkable position.

Without the help of the “Sphere Beings,” as they are called, the Alliance wouldn’t be able to accomplish this. There are apparently four races of Sphere Beings but the Blue Avians are the only ones that are visible at this time.

The 3AM meeting was canceled for no apparent reason and rescheduled to the same time the next night. In the meantime he had gone from abject fear to inspiration and confidence.

What ultimately ended up happening was a firefly-sized purple light appeared in his room. It pulled him out of his physical body and the entire meeting happened in the astral. His wife knew something was going to happen and when, and said that he was in a “weird trance state” while this was happening. She was very excited about it and it was obviously not something that could have been faked.

I feel like I have nothing to lose by sharing this. The Avians told him (and me by proxy) to go forward and share this, and that any ridicule we faced was “of absolutely no significance.”

So there you have it.

– David

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 3:16 am

No one is asking anyone to give their power away.

The Blue Avians appear to be the same Ra that delivered the Law of One.

They started out as a positive source — which were drawn as the hawk-headed “Gods” well after they left — and were quickly misconstrued as negative.

They repeatedly say in the Law of One that the hawk is their symbol.

They also talk about the bird as a symbol of the “winged messenger” or angel.

The Hopis have an engaging legend about being rescued by “bird people.” Then you have the very clear Egyptian paintings. Then you have the “Tengu,” or bird-men that were seen in Japan.

When Luke met these people the last time, they all introduced themselves by name, and every name started with the same prefix, which sounded either like “Rey” or “Rawl,” from what he remembers. This was another compelling suggestion.

I have had multiple insider confirmations now on the spheres coming in. This is of great concern to the Cabal.

When people say shaming things, my response is “would you rather I not share this at all?” As weird as it is, and I totally get that it’s “high strangeness” to say the least, this is all coming from insiders who have absolutely proven their credibility.

I do not know if we are ever going to actually see the Blue Avians. This group works behind the scenes. There is a huge “learning curve” for people to understand the scope and variety of ET life that is out there.

However, if the Snowden documents contain tons of data on the Secret Space Program, then we may be in store for a wild ride. That would be the closest we would get to a confirmation that this data about the spheres is correct.

My own intuitive abilities have validated that this is true information. This included yesterday putting it together and realizing this group was Ra, then being told “Go outside now” and there was a rainbow. Then later I walked, connected even more dots and there was a much bigger rainbow in a completely separate location.

Synchronicities, dreams, et cetera… it’s all coming together.

BTW, one of the things that has made the Cabal so upset is the Blue Avians have short-circuited them and have gone directly out and contacted the people. This can come in the form of a visible orb of light in the room. Most of the people getting this are being “downloaded” some sort of information that they do not consciously recall yet. Others are getting open communication.

So there you have it.

– David

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 3:35 am

All I can say is this is absolutely real. The people I am talking to about this are definitely not lying. We literally thought Luke might die, or at the very least be tortured, from having this meeting. The Cabal was very, very angry about it.

Then it was an intriguing twist that after I increased his “vibration” through inspiring him to see this invitation as positive, they were then able to pull him into an OBE instead of needing him physically there in person.

They also impressed upon him the need to eat a diet with a “much higher vibration” and did not give specifics, leaving it to me to tell him about the weaponization of the food supply by the Cabal and why you should avoid wheat, refined sugar, processed and pre-packaged food, fried food, conventional produce, et cetera.

Their goal is to ensure that the “cycles” of war, pain and fear do not continue, and that we move into a loving society. For me the most interesting new thing in light of this was that I was told BEFORE this update that Cabal elements had recently entered the Alliance — this is what the Blue Avians said — and then you have Ben saying William is cutting a deal with the Asians.

This would make a great episodic TV show or film if written properly!

– David

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 4:05 am

The weirdest thing about the Blue Avians, from the Space Program perspective, is they do not need any technology. If they want to go somewhere, they just appear there. This is exactly what Ra says they are like at their level.

For this same reason, it seems clear that they could project themselves into whatever form they choose, and have chosen this form for its various symbolic characteristics.

It’s going to come out anyway, so I will also say that the Blue Avians confirmed I was one of the people they have been in contact with.

I think a great number of us have had some degree of “downloading” from these angelic beings already, whether we realize it or not.

We knew Ra was one of two key groups managing Earth’s transformation, but I never expected they would make such a dramatic “in person” appearance at the end of the cycle like this. "

– David

[donk]

(And now, I'm going to hit the "post quick reply" button, and you and Bill and anyone else can all read my words - which I stand by - at the same time. What I'm feeling at this moment is kinda stupid for spending my time creating this and my previous post. Nothing I say is going to convince some people that their fantasy of mindless, obedient, sycophantic mods and admins is about as far from the truth as can be. So, continue to enjoy your fantasy, and the bluebirdmen fantasy too. I don't intend to add any more to - or subtract from - this thread again.)

I'd feel kinda stupid if I spent my time that way as well, I agree with that opinion sir.

I don't necessarily agree with the particular opinion of DNA's you quoted, but have heard from folks that do. Perhaps you should share your facts in a way that come off less abrasive and defensive if you'd like to actually try convince anyone who might be on the fence...or were you just ranting your disgust those you've already convinced yourself you cannot sway (which you seem to imply is anyone who doesn't see how obvious your "facts" are, hence your "feeling kinda stupid")?

And I for one am not "miffed" at all that you scoffed at the beliefs you find ridiculous, though thought it was pretty...abrasive, maybe condenscending/arrogant and borderline mean how you did it

[Aspen]

http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/

from GoodETxSGs blog. He seems to be saying that he and others have been receiving information from the Blue Avians and he says that of the many people on earth receiving downloads that it is not to our conscious mind, but the download is to our Higher Self. One indication that you may be receiving a download is if you are seeing blue, violet or indigo orbs. They can be of various sizes. He is also saying that the beings from the various orbs are 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th density.
I would also like to apologize to GoodETxSG if he was offended by the heading of this thread. I chose it so that it would stand out on this site, not to ridicule him. I feel quite calm about believing in and keeping my mind open to the possibility of the real existence of the Blue Avians and wish him and every person and being out there every success in endeavours to bring about peace and a world where the majority are living in service to others. . . . . and am certainly trying to do that myself.



"There are many who are being visited by "Blue, Indigo & Violet Orb Beings" who have seemed to just present themselves and disappear. They have actually been presenting themselves in order to communicate with those persons subconscious or "Higher Selves" and not directly to these people "Consciously".

These people have reported seeing these (Blue, Indigo & Violet) "Orb's" appearing in their presence between the size of "Ping Pong Balls" and "Medicine Balls" and "Pulsing" then leaving their presence.

There will be much more information coming in the near future about these "Sphere Beings" and their "Allies" from myself and other sources. However there are a few sources that are putting out some disinformation about these "Sphere Beings" and their "Allies"... Even some of the "Elite" were confused about who they were in the beginning believing them to be the return of "Their Gods"

" We don't quite know why these 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th Density beings have arrived with these spheres. They have shown that they don't need craft and "Materialize" OR "Appear" where ever they wish without warning. They have shown through their advanced Consciousness their ability to manipulate states of matter and even teleport individuals and items at will. There are theories that these Spheres have a purpose involving the transport of 3/4 D Beings in large numbers. This has been neither confirmed or denied at this point. One thing is certain, the various SSP's haven't been able to fully bend their 3/4 D minds around what is going on with much more data than those attempting to "Dis-inform" down here. I don't expect them to get much further no matter how advanced they believe themselves to be. Our brains or minds just do not work this way especially with the limitations we place on the "Verse".

[Tangri]

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


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[Agape]

I've noticed some of the G's disgruntled comments ''on the other site'' and I think it's where the problem rests ,
not in the out-worldliness of his information , not at all for me .

It's the 'reinforcement' and 'assertion' being imposed on the information and others , trying to force them to take his information without questioning ,
and irrational ( forgive me ) self-grandeur about an ability to explain things he currently can't , missing solid backgrounds in science .
I suppose that if his 'contacts' were sentient they'd upgrade him - if that's possible - I'm not sure it is , with certain individuals .

Anyone looking to here 'from outside' should realise that 'ufology' is a 'mine field' . As if this planet wasn't a 'mine field' enough .

I say because I've suffered through this too much, due to my own ET mind and memories, events that were very real - with 'headers and footers' , and despite being in the know I had to swallow humiliation on mass scale ,
just about from everybody .
I have years of spiritual practise behind me , and backgrounds in science too , it both allowed me to accept the 'ordeal' to some extent though sometimes the 'rift' is straight killing me .

Some of the nonsense being claimed about various ET entities/races includes the way they look upon humans ,
and how they're interested and involved in human events and history . I am putting things as plainly as can , risking grammar mistakes but it's my heart causing this not my 'mind' .

What most people fail to realise is how 'distanced' any of these 'other beings' are in reality . How difficult it is to approach human 'plane of existence' .
Yes the analogy between human and animal intelligence serves its purpose though it's not accurate analogy either .

Human imagination does play a huge role here , 100% . On the human side , we imagine 'we talk' . In reality , we maybe don't but it doesn't really make a difference . The conscious present , time-space interaction aspect , between two distant intelligencies is strong enough to change you forever .

I have had 'direct ET encounters' . About handful in my life , the rest were more distant communications . I enjoyed all of them despite the after effects and atmosphere of strangeness that followed - from human side , mostly .

What I can sum up is that 'their mentality' ( and physiognomy and all else ) is star away from human one . They don't come to 'save ' anybody here unless they can understand us much better .
They're great scientists and /or spiritualists at the same time , too advanced to see us as 'equals' .

There's too much misinformation circling about these entities and encounters for it to make a good sense .
But if someone wishes to keep to 'facts' about it, you need to be subtle and use very subtle discernment , applied to the way YOU are experiencing IT, first of all .

Your 'dream about ETs' maybe your very human dream . Your 'true ET experience' may look like meeting with giant cabbage ( without sarcasm ) .
It's not always that way but on human side, the imaginative faculty plays one of the biggest roles and most humans can't 'unsub' from their imaginings - unless - unless - you have something like years of zen meditation training , even then , everyone is different . You don't know 90% things about your own self and what lies on the bottom of your own mind , what to speak about any others .

The truth is 'we do not know' . Fancying or glimpsing certain informations is perfectly fine but you need to 'loose the reins' and allow yourself further possibilities ..

it's in the openness to possibilities where evolution and 'upgrade' happens , and if you want real one you need to be real with things too even if it's bit hard .


From interstellar communications between sentient beings point of view - conscience and emotion play greater role - than admitted here , even among scientists ,
people often fail for the idea that 'intelligence' equals technology and computers and AI.
It's so far from the truth as you can get, to your own harm . Technologies are just fine if they serve you well . Hammer is a 'technology' . If you use it well or kill your neighbour depends entirely on you .

Who you are is important . You need to RISE in your understanding and conscience to the sentient level of entities who can feel for each other ,
look with dignity , don't touch . It's what you do on good visits. You are not here to manipulate events.
You look and admire the beauty, that's what you do . You try to understand because it's so exciting to meet another intelligent life in the Universe .

The most important criterium for me, us all , at the end , is 'can we respect and understand each other' .
It's so subtle . Like love . I look to your eyes and want to know if you love me . I want to feel that , without mistake, without pretence , I employ all my intelligence apparatus to discern whether you're good and honest .

It's all that is important . Whether we give each other a present or not ... you made it thousands of light years through Space .. to see me , what more can I wish for .


Oh well . I hope someone can get me right ..

I think Blue Bird .

Far from trying to mock/knock down anybody.


Peace :angel:

[Calz]

I've noticed some of the G's disgruntled comments ''on the other site''




Dunno about anyone else ... but I don't find it constructive to have moderation threats regarding information posted on another forum.

We are collectively trying to arrive at some "truths" and perhaps offer solutions.

Why is that a "bad" thing?


I grow tired of needing to scrutinize my posts such that no one no where will be offended.


Cannot we of like minded people rise above this???


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gif


Is not the goal to unite humanity?


Can we not set aside the divide and conquer meme between forums ... much less religions and races???


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif

[MorningFox]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...

[Agape]

I've noticed some of the G's disgruntled comments ''on the other site''




Dunno about anyone else ... but I don't find it constructive to have moderation threats regarding information posted on another forum.

We are collectively trying to arrive at some "truths" and perhaps offer solutions.

Why is that a "bad" thing?


I grow tired of needing to scrutinize my posts such that no one no where will be offended.


Cannot we of like minded people rise above this???


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gif


Is not the goal to unite humanity?


Can we not set aside the divide and conquer meme between forums ... much less religions and races???


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif


I've always wondered how do people like Barack Obama ( meant in jest but isn't he also one sentient being ) deal with this 'problem' ,

imagine he'd care to check what people write about him on websites each morning and spent hours on commenting back ?

The problem really is that some , be it G or B , bring level of aggression with them , a force and try to implement it .
So naturally, every force evokes anti-force , it's useless to retreat to 'self-defensive' mode soon after and start shouting 'you all are hurting me' if it was you who were yelling at us at the first place .

Any product, including information or hair shampoo can be merely offered, if well meant .

Using strategies , arguments to create 'sides' , factions, divide and conquer to drag the truth on one side is what politicians and their supporters do .

I agree completely on Unity being the path and the goal but being practically harmless being - and most of us are - count benevolent ETs, women and children , seniors , and so forth - I can't 'embrace' violence as my method of disseminating knowledge and likewise , can't simply agree on everything in the name of Unity thus give in to someones idea that they're in the know .

I wonder http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif


And also , collectively speaking ...

how possibly , the only sentence from pages of my data that is interesting to anyone here is a sentence that mentions 'someone famous' in your eyes, be it G this time, Simon Parkes another time , whoever made themselves important .

I have my testimony out there , and do have bad comments on me too , here n there, do I care to read them more than two times ? No, it does not make sense .

You may say I am not aggressive enough , not brought up in that mentality , practically and also not my nature ,
human society unfortunately DOES DWELL on certain human characteristics , including 'anger, jealousy , envy , desire , hatred, pride' as means to achieving their goals , these emotions are subtle , result of million years of adaptation to harsh climate ,
but they can be also elevated and transcended and turned to higher emotions and wisdoms .

Speaking of 'advanced ET intelligence' but using very gross means at the same time always results in debacle ..and well, the Blue Bird will flee ..


I hope you can understand this is not anti-Calz comment . That I do have a message and because most care to skip the non-enforcement parts but jump on any single sentence that contains 'their favourite character' is simple human pickiness .

[citsym]

From the comments this subject collected, it seems that the blue beings in the spheres are doing their job really well...
Helping us to help ourselves!!! and get over the little things in life that are not really that important...

:typing:

[Bill Ryan]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...

Yes, it did. :)

[DNA]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...


Yes, it did. :)

Agreed

In so far as the average mainstream UFO debunker would debunk any and all UFO's using present and sanitized main stream science.

But I thought this was Bill Ryan's forum, not Bill Nye the science guy's forum. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnaykgZE8M

[Flash]

I love Agape's analogy of the school bus coming to look at the "caged" humans. It reminds me of the magic school bus books with the funky school teacher. It would indeed be ironic if they were admiring us the way that we admire animals at the zoo! lol

It seems like the whole thread here is built on Sesame Street and other children cartoons stories.

Big Bird has an impact!!!!

What if this David White input was to make us discuss and see through all possibilities (unknowingly from David and PTB)?

Because, in fact, this thread is utterly interesting.

The topics brought up:

Science: mass versus cloaking versus Cern versus quantum physics (by the way, the speaker to the Higgs Boson conference I went to, Yves Sirois, said that Quantum physic cannot bring us further anylonger, it does not explain some phenomenon they have seen, other theories have to be developed) versus all possibilities from what we know and we don't, on a scientific level....

ETs: how it works in hyperspace following some of our witnesses

Spirituality: we have to save ourselves, Imagine and how the programming has stopped us from giving existence to what we wish instead of being push to "push the button" to something we do not want

Psychology: the victim statehood and how to see it, work with Through it and evolve

and more

All this in a relatively accepting and open manner for everyone's opinion/knowledge/emotions/know how

All this because of Big Bird

I don't know what you thing Avalonians, but on my side, Big Bird mission is a success;):cool:

I love to be here with such discussion, most probably much better than those that were going on in the madame's French Salon of two centuries ago during l'ère des lumières (the light era).

[Atlas]

There are theories that these Spheres have a purpose involving the transport of 3/4 D Beings in large numbers. This has been neither confirmed or denied at this point.
100 spheres the size of Jupiter... for large-scale transportation of 3/4D beings... Hmm...

I wonder where they're all going :confused: Not on Earth, that's for sure because our planet is way too small.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/100giantspheres.gif

They are probably simply transiting our solar system (or are they planning to stay for a long period of time ?)

Jupiter: the Largest
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What if the Blue Avians decide to settle in our solar system ?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/ca3eggs.jpg

[MorningFox]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...

Yes, it did. :)

It really didn't. Your premise is that if it cannot be detected then it must not be there? That proves literally nothing. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

[Shadowself]

I can't contain myself anymore...sorry but Bill said:



If something is invisible in the light spectrum, undetectable on any other frequency, and has no mass, then a good metaphysical (or physical!) question may be to ask what "it's there" really means.

Ghosts exist too, I'm 100% sure, but they too are invisible and [seemingly] have no mass. So if these spheres are 'ghostly' objects in that sense, then maybe the claims that have been made need to be re-examined in that context.

I posted on a previous page about the Ghost and Blueshift as well.

This "STORY" of David's and his "insider" is not very original! In fact it's VERY OLD!!!

Birdmen and spheres are VERY OLD! And they were supposed to be coming back....yeah! Verily!

Picking up information in the quantum "bue" foam of an old story is probably not very hard when one looks far enough.

Allow me to introduce an OLD birdman with a sphere in hand:

http://i59.tinypic.com/23su2qv.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/2sbldh0.jpg

These guys have been waiting for their RETURN for a very long time!

http://i59.tinypic.com/npgy35.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/vx0nbl.jpg


So the question I have...is how long before someone tells David or his insider this is an OLD story and nothing new?

So this is the year of the return of the Birdman? Birdman move won best picture at this years the Oscars!

Ghosts of the past....again this story is not new....it's very old! Please....someone tell this tail once again!

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1309/1309.6056.pdf

Oh....wait....it's been told already!

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for this one...Oh well! But the fact is...this is NOT David's or his insiders story to tell!

[seeker/reader]

There are theories that these Spheres have a purpose involving the transport of 3/4 D Beings in large numbers. This has been neither confirmed or denied at this point.
100 spheres the size of Jupiter... for large-scale transportation of 3/4D beings... Hmm...

I wonder where they're all going :confused: Not on Earth, that's for sure because our planet is way too small.



Maybe 100's of ships are here to see a historic EVENT that is going to take place. Something that has never happened before, anywhere in the Universe. Maybe that is why all the attention is being paid upon Humanity and Earth by many, many ETs.

[Jake]

On a side note, it is interesting to me that folks are questioning known laws of physics vs what hyperphysics could possibly mean,, demanding proof that that the spheres do NOT exist,, without bothering to demand proof of the claim itself...

The onus is on the peoples with the extraordinary claim... I know that all too well, myself.

As an astral projecting human, I have respected that folks cannot take my subjective story and believe it outright.. As an intelligent researcher, I am aware of that and made great efforts to prove it to myself, then others. It is painstaking and takes great patients and personal commitment..

I wonder if I could have simply told a great story, then adopted a 'prove me wrong' attitude...

I wonder if I would be the same person that I am today if I simply disregareded the part of me that cared about helping folks to see the truth for themselves..

I wonder what would become of me if decided that I wanted to MAKE people see it my way instead of offering guidance ond inspiration?

I truly dont know, but it is a path that I will not walk..

As for all aliens who are engaging us,,,, "Show yourselves or go away!!!"

The savior mentality is a distraction from the personal empowerment that we need to throw off the ptb and take back our birthright and change the tide on planet Earth..

If an et race saves us, then we are forever beholden unto them because we never took responsibility and learned the tough lessons,, and our fate is forever in the hands of those who 'saved us'... Poof,, back in the box....

I would rather we be free.
Jake

[MorningFox]

So the question I have...is how long before someone tells David or his insider this is an OLD story and nothing new?


I really don't get your point. So?

Surely if it's an age old story then if anything that lends credence to the story, rather than the opposite.

I don't necessarily believe any of it but there sure is some strange logic in this thread.

[Agape]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...

Yes, it did. :)

It really didn't. Your premise is that if it cannot be detected then it must not be there? That proves literally nothing. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.


In the same manner you may also suggest that this part of the Universe was swallowed by super-massive black hole 100 million years ago and since time dilatation effect is impossible to measure from within the black hole ,
we aren't observing it on full scale but what we do experience is transformation from the previous state of entropy to another one and sinking to another time-space dimension ...
one full of giant Spheres with Blue Birds, it seems .

The proof is that more people are getting various visions of the next universe - one we are transforming to - and everyone is getting bit sick from the time dilatation effect and also , we're ageing more rapidly .
If the amount of fantasises vs effort to counteract ( save ) the process speedily by effort to keep our rational thinking intact - which one is getting out of hand - constitutes a proof , the proof is surrounding us .

However .. before things 'settle' to the quantum state of the next time-space ( on the 'other side' of the black hole ) it's impossible to decide whose predictions about it are correct and whose are false .


:lol:

[MorningFox]

On a side note, it is interesting to me that folks are questioning known laws of physics vs what hyperphysics could possibly mean,, demanding proof that that the spheres do NOT exist,, without bothering to demand proof of the claim itself...


I imagine you're partially referring to me. May I remind you that I never once said I believe they are there, and certainly never demanded proof they are not there. I'm simply saying that to rubbish something off because they cannot be detected is as equally as ridiculous as saying they must be there because they cannot be detected and thus proved not to be there.

[Mike]

note: mods, perhaps we should merge this thread with one of my previous ones, "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a noise?"

:)

[Shadowself]

It lends credence to the story or it was picked up in the quantum foam of information and does not belong to David or his insider.

It's an old story regurgitated. To fit a new story....read the pdf I added. It's there. And it's old not new.


reading this part 2...

Aldebaran you say?

Reading further...

August 10 or August 11 was an important date in the Mataveri calendar. It is possible that the
natives waited for the helical rising of the bright star Pollux (β Geminorum). It happened on August 10 from A.D. 1690 to A.D. 1720, and on August 11 from A.D. 1721 to A.D. 1796. I believe that on that day many warriors and priests met there and at Orongo


So, let me get this straight. These priest gather on this date and have these humungous statues built for what exactly? When?

And according to the author Churchward, Mu "extended from somewhere north of Hawaii to the south as far as the Fijis and Easter Island."...ETC ETC ETC???


And they're a cult of bird-man/men?

Then to top it off the flippin' Mayans create a calendar that BEGINS on August 11?

RU Sirius?

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rp4r4x.jpg

According to ancient Egyptian lore....the BA (a bird) is your spirit/soul in flight and free....A ghost?

Return of the Birdman is a very old story. This story does not belong to David or his insider.

I've miles and miles of pretty files from your forefathers fruit!
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Oh..OH! (((Slap my knee))) Did they use a blue sphere in that video??

[Shadowself]

Tells us what you've seen in faraway forgotten lands.
Where empires have turned back to sand.


~

"I met a traveller from an antique land

Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,

Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown

And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command

Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.

And on the pedestal these words appear:

`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,

The lone and level sands stretch far away".

~ Shelly~

http://i57.tinypic.com/vf12f.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/295940p.jpg

[Agape]

In the same manner you may also suggest that this part of the Universe was swallowed by super-massive black hole 100 million years ago and since time dilatation effect is impossible to measure from within the black hole ,
we aren't observing it on full scale but what we do experience is transformation from the previous state of entropy to another one and sinking to another time-space dimension ...
one full of giant Spheres with Blue Birds, it seems .

The proof is that more people are getting various visions of the next universe - one we are transforming to - and everyone is getting bit sick from the time dilatation effect and also , we're ageing more rapidly .
If the amount of fantasises vs effort to counteract ( save ) the process speedily by effort to keep our rational thinking intact - which one is getting out of hand - constitutes a proof , the proof is surrounding us .

However .. before things 'settle' to the quantum state of the next time-space ( on the 'other side' of the black hole ) it's impossible to decide whose predictions about it are correct and whose are false .


:lol:


I'm so happy I am not alone on that presumption ... found someone else who thinks that too ..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562921/Are-living-inside-BLACK-HOLE-Theory-suggests-elusive-regions-contain-advanced-civilisations-like-own.html

Are we living inside a BLACK HOLE? Theory suggests invisible regions may contain worlds like our own
This is based on belief that there was a ‘seed’ of the pre-big bang universe
Seed, which was a tiny, dense point of matter, formed inside a black hole
Seed was powerful enough to trigger production of every other particle
Theory argues if we fall into a black hole we will end up in parallel universe


A number of theoretical physicists have explored this concept over the last few years, most notably Nikodem Poplawski at the University of New Haven.
Einstein predicted the centre of this phenomenon would be infinitely dense and small, however this group argue that 'infinity' isn't typically found in nature.

They believe that, instead, something small, but finite, might be there instead.
At the heart of Dr Poplawski theory is the belief that the ‘seed’ of the pre-Big Bang universe, which came in the form of a finite dense point of matter, was formed inside a black hole.

The seed is thought to have been trillions of times smaller than any particle humans have been able to find, according to a report by Michael Finkel from National Geographic.
This tiny particle was powerful enough to trigger the production of every other particle that now makes up galaxies, solar systems, planets and people.
Dr Poplawski suggests this seed was forged in black holes, the universe’s super-powerful 'kilns'.
Black holes are created when giant stars run out of fuel and collapse inwards. When this happens, it causes a supernova that blasts part of the star into space.
The resulting gravity pulls in everything, and even light cannot escape. The gravity is so strong because matter has been squeezed into a tiny space.
Dr Poplawski says it’s possible that the black hole is a ‘one-way door’ between two universes.
He argues that if you fall into the black hole at the centre of the Milky Way, it's conceivable that you will end up in a parallel universe.
If our universe was created by a superdense 'seed', the theory suggests that we might also be living inside one of these black holes.
This means we would experience everything from its centre with no possibility of ever escaping back.
Russian cosmologist Vyacheslav Dokuchaev claims that if life could exist inside supermassive black holes, it would have evolved to become the most advanced civilisation in the galaxy.
In 2011, Professor Dokuchaev of Moscow's Institute for Nuclear Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences said existing evidence combined with new research throws up intriguing possibilities for certain types of black holes.

Inside a charged, rotating black hole there are regions where photons can survive in stable periodic orbits.
He speculates that if there are stable orbits for photons, there is no reason why there could not be stable orbits for larger objects, such as planets.
The problem is that these stable orbits would only exist once you have crossed the threshold of the event horizon, where time and space flow into one another.


The event horizon, at the lip of the black hole, is known as the point of no return.
However, beyond the event horizon is another domain, known as the Cauchy horizon, where time and space return to stable states.
It is inside the Cauchy horizon that life could exist, Professor Dokuchaev argues in a paper published in Cornell University's online journal arXiv.
But the type of life that could exist in those conditions - where they would be subject to massive fluctuating tidal forces - would have evolved beyond ours.
The life that could exist there would likely be a civilisation ranked as Type III on the Kardashev Scale.
There are three levels to the scale with one being the lowest and three the highest. Humanity is still looking to attain Level 1 status; mastery of its own planet.
'Interiors of the supermassive black holes may be inhabited by advanced civilisations... invisible from the outside,' he said.
Though that is a spine-tingling thought, these concepts can only ever remain theoretical, as nothing can ever escape from a black hole to prove its existence.




Can't wait till we are behind the 'time tunnel' completely , in the stabilised , orderly Universe with Spheres and Blue Birds .
What we are experiencing now, all the turmoils, all the hiccups, all the transformation .. is temporary and relative .
Finally, I am getting Buddhas teachings just about right .

:panda:

[Tangri]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am

"Since someone asked, the Blue Avians do not speak. They communicate telepathically while simultaneously holding up their right hand, palm forward, and doing very fast sign language that corresponds with what you hear in your mind.

Luke did not understand the sign language but they obviously do. Only one hand was ever used.

– David"

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?

[Aspen]

Had an interesting time today doing research on myths and stories about birdmen around the world. It is actually very interesting! It certainly seems like they have been here before. I find it intriguing that they are associated in some cultures with the cycle of life death and rebirth. Also interesting is that they sometimes eat snakes and dragons and other times seem to be friends or part snake themselves. I guess in the present day world of science the birds we see everyday here on earth are thought to be descendants of reptiles. I am also interested in the North American First Nations peoples stories of the thunderbird and how they rescued humans at one time. http://www.academia.edu/8509565/The_Celestial_Birdman_of_the_Ancient_World

http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/thunder-beings-thunder-birds-thunderbirds-the-thunders.136/

If they really are around to help out and are benevolent, as David Wilcock is claiming, then I would hope it is only to influence our spiritual development, not to be our saviours or kings.

[Agape]

I drew one 'Birdman' long ago ( dated 1996 I think ) , I used to do pen graphics that time, it's still hanging in the living room , small drawing .
It's a 'Chinese variety' of Birdman - can't provide frame of reference - I simply used to pull out any sort of distant information from my subconscious ( and still do on occasions if that's useful ) .
All I know is he was a bit like Mr Yoda character ..but even more mysteries , he would wear 'feather coat' and could turn himself invisible at will .
The one 'odd trouser leg' should symbolise he's able to walk between dimensions ( step out of himself ) . And he's of course , also 'heavy with learning' as you can see, the 'case' on his back ( now that makes me laugh personally - looking at myself in recent years .. ) .

The characters aren't real - I never studied Chinese . But hope they look close enough ;) Forgot to say it's 'ink in glue' technique we once learned at school. It holds.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/IMG_0294_zpsqvx0sxxd.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/IMG_0294_zpsqvx0sxxd.jpg.html)

[donk]

Bill's post showed the scientific impossibility of the premise.

No, it didn't...

Yes, it did. :)

Hahaha....well played!!

Its rather odd to me how insistent you are supporting "established" (and now unquestionable) physics in relation to "sphere beings" that David Wilcock finds important because his insider goodET is insisting to him (and whoever will listen) that it is.

I personally haven't delved that deeply into the actual information, none of goodET (or most high profile "insiders") every really seemed relevant enough to my personal life as I've never seen anything "actionable" i could do with it, other than ponder possibility while watching the effect of the information on other. So iireally can't speak to the sphere beings' probable gravitational effects on the solar system if i were to (like you, what you seem to be doing) allow for both the spheres and accepted gravitational science in the same reality

But I do find it curious how you seem to need to take a stand on this thread, obviously the impossibility of DW's information is important for youn transmit. Dennis is mocking it like flat earth (and i dont particularly disagree) but also is closest to actual addressing any admin emotional attachment to the information or the transmitter of it, when he assures you don't (directly) give them thumbs up to poo-poo this stuff

Fair enough (I guess?), but I suggest it would be wise to instead use energy in your compelling argument that because obviously DW implied his beings have mass and obviously that means the entirety of his message is not worthy of discussion perhaps you put to bed claims that there's any personal issues with DW? Or that a gaining in popularity notion that the problem really lies in issues with his insider source you boosted into relevency in this realm?

And just to provide you "intel" I personally received (I understand it could be I'm totally being used here, so be it) is that he (goodet) is miffed that his message is purposely being twisted here. He claims that information(that as mentioned, I've barely even consumed any, let alone started to try to discern it) is being purposely twisted, in particular he claims that whether or not the avians are "savior" beings (he says it is made explicit clear that they make clear they are NOT nor do they intend to be)

I personally have no attachment to the information. I am though particularly interested in the consumers and even more so the transmitters. You seem to be a champion of one view, and it's interesting how the other "side" (who used to call you friend?) thought i was taking theirs...when in actuality I was engaging for the support of the consumers.

Take this as intel, workable in order to correct my perception which exists--not just within me--whether you like it or not....it is what as they say...i wouldnt want to be "right" if i even fully understood what that meant in this case. All I know is that we got to get stuff straight in this sphere (pun intended) or we all look even sillier than we "normally" do.

Take care

[Atlas]

any personal issues with DW?
Off-topic, please start a separate thread if you have any personal issues with DW you'd like to discuss.

or try this thread: projectavalon.net/Critical-Analysis-of-David-Wilcock- (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79347-Critical-Analysis-of-David-Wilcock-A-Resource-for-the-Awakening-Human-David-Wilcock-and-the-Real-NWO--part-1-and-2-&highlight=wilcock)


[...] he (goodet) is miffed that his message is purposely being twisted
Does this mean the 100 giant spheres are not real ? What was the original claim and who made it ?


[...] his message is not worthy of discussion
100 spheres the size of Jupiter in our solar system is definitely not worthy of discussion. It is not even disinformation, it's complete nonsense.

[donk]

any personal issues with DW?
Off-topic, please start a separate thread if you have any personal issues with DW you'd like to discuss.

or try this thread: projectavalon.net/Critical-Analysis-of-David-Wilcock- (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79347-Critical-Analysis-of-David-Wilcock-A-Resource-for-the-Awakening-Human-David-Wilcock-and-the-Real-NWO--part-1-and-2-&highlight=wilcock)


[...] he (goodet) is miffed that his message is purposely being twisted
Does this mean the 100 giant spheres are not real ? What was the original claim and who made it ?


[...] his message is not worthy of discussion
100 spheres the size of Jupiter in our solar system is definitely not worthy of discussion. It is not even disinformation, it's complete nonsense.

Then why do you need to keep posting about nonsense!? I think about 50% of what i read here is nonsense, know what i do? I let the people who come here to discuss it do so. We get it....sphere beings + gravity = dogmatic 3d physicists cry, those of us that believe that (which I include myself) won that argument before it even started.

It is not off topic to talk about the "insider" it is in the title. I find the transmission of "data", reactions and emotional attachments it, the reason for it being transmitted (and reacted to) as completely on topic, all to be of much more revelance to all of us than sphere beings or your masterful understanding of the physics of gravity

If you want to talk about only sphere beings relation to gravity you should start about that. The topic I see is a transmission by DW who got the sphere intel from goodet, who got his popularity from BR...that's the topic I'm discussing

[Atlas]

any personal issues with DW?
Personal issues have nothing to do with this thread, again, you are off-topic.

I don't want to discuss any personal issues here, I want to discuss the claim that is made, that is: 100 giant spheres and the blue avians.

Please try to focus on the thread or start a new thread if you have some personal concerns you'd like to discuss, thanks.

[donk]

Sure buares....any context about the information is off topic. We wouldn't would to use that in the discernment of the message. Let's take DW on an established scientific level and dissect it. Ignire the messenger. Ignore the emotional responses of the receivers of the message

Cuz that's what we do here? A valid way of discerning information? Comments like Bill's add to the topic but the reason he might choose to post it isn't?

So why don't you lay out the data points that are valid to discuss for us, since you are the obvious objective authority on what is "on topic" for this thread? Thanks

You've Already made clear that all information needs to be analyzed in a vacuum, earlier it was made clear that this is not the thread for du scussing which beliefs are mockable and which scientific facts are unquestionably rigid in that no one imaginable could ever violate or manipulate them...help me out here, what are the rest of the guidelines for valid conversAtion here?

[Calz]

... I want to discuss the claim that is made, that is: 100 giant spheres and the blue avians.




*sigh*

I was not going to post again in this thread ... but *from my understanding* that was a mistake from DW on the C2C spot.

This from the "G" blog and *not* another forum ... I hope that is still permissible to do since it directly answers a member post.




“[...] Wilcock reported that around 100 enormous spherical ships around the size of Neptune have recently come into our solar system. It appears that four different types of beings from the ships have had contact with Earth's cabal, most prominently the Blue Avians [...]”


(GoodETxSG: These "Spheres" range from sizes of the Moon, Neptune to the Size of Jupiter. Most are in the Moon Sized Category with fewer being in the Neptune to Jupiter Sized Categories.


... that said it does not prove or disprove what seems to be the central area of contention here that being whether or not advanced multidimensionals would be bound to what we humans currently hold to be gospel regarding science, physics, gravity, mass and so on.


Carry on ...


:peep:


*adding* DW's assertion of avian contact with the cabal was also in error and later corrected ...

[Atlas]

@donk

The reason why one would choose to post is completely unrelated to the topic.

Please try to focus on the topic, not on personal emotional responses (or start a separate thread for this).

So, apparently the original claim of blue avians and giant spheres "is purposely being twisted". Let me ask you again: "Does this mean the 100 giant spheres are not real ?"

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@Calz

Thanks for the precision.

[donk]

@buares: Again sir I will defer to you: outline the valid topics of discussion.

I feel I was very precise in what I thought it was, and why it was relevant. Correct me. Direct this thread to its proper course.

Thank you

[Agape]

Hi Donk ( and anyone else who are not making fun of it all at the moment , which is your holy right )

please tell me one reason that makes you trust somebody claiming to be 'insider' of Secret Space Projects to be really one, one reason that would hold .
I am happy to share mine .

But step back from making 'all the fun in the world' ( we are all capable of it ) else you won't get me straight .

So number one ... if even one tenth of some these individuals claims were true , they'd be times more important than Edward Snowden ( for lack of better example ) and would be probably on run, till now, with no excuse given .

Sharing or not your civil name and credentials here may maximally protect you from curiosity of your neighbours , that's ALL it can .

As you are probably aware , all else can be figured out through the leaking walls of internet 'security' , by authorities who are supposedly watching all such activities 'with hawk eyes' .

These people frequent excuse seems to be that they were actually, secretly as well, sequestered for releasing certain information or even , that they are so special or powerful they can actually bargain about it with their immediate military or civil authority .

In the light of law systems we are all aware of , such claims , no matter how charming and sophisticated do they sound to your hamburger seller , are in fact quite ridiculous .

What possible is , on the other hand , and far more probable .. is that one or another intel agency with suspicious motives ( and I don't think the military would launch operation of this sort though I may be wrong ) sends someone behaving dumb enough to fit into here and play a role of 'prophet' ( or 'witness' )
with information outrageous enough , if only to test how much 'joe public' is gullible and miss guidable , together with his guides ( Dave Wilcock in this case ) .
I would not be too surprised if they do it .

I can't offer you any sort of certainty statement about someone I don't know , all I can offer is healthy reasoning, probability and statistics .

So back to my reasons that would allow me to trust someone being 'insider of some super-secret project' ,
even if they remained anonymous , it would be

1/the level of their information being above ( certainly not bellow ) common professional in the field ..

the truth is .. deeper you go to 'secret projects' .. even a simple lab assistant is required to have high capacity training and academic background , unlike in your 'school projects' they don't allow 'simple people' in

2/ matchless professional conduct ..it's something you can only meet with certain people , in certain professional areas but they'd have it even after they leave their jobs

3/ they are rarely interested in broad interaction with general public, due to the sensitive nature of their information,
they do 'their job' and quit , or ..state they want full disclosure, ask for safety but in that case you need to state all the facts for the world to trust you


This is not a criticism , I may be also biased in my opinion but naming 'special projects' ten times in a paragraph does not speak for your credibility, more like the opposite unless you are a child .

I'm NOT trying debunk G's personal transformations and metaphysical experiences , if he like anyone came and stated those , with an ability to question himself they would be far more acceptable . Acceptable in that sense that they contain seed of truth - sure they do - but vast field of uncertainties that are not provable, answerable to in logical manner , on the other hand .. they can be contemplated , with open minds .

No one is restricting your views to one version of physics . However , like with many wannabes in the field - the truth is that you need at least one set of solid backgrounds in maths, physics and logical thinking to be able to asses and correct your alternative theories , hypothesis and experiences .

Without such solid foundation imagining that 'anything is possible' in the Universe is good enough for religions or science fiction .


That's about my view .


Unfortunately also , people who come up with testimony and insert even tiny little twist to their statement at start are very rarely - if ever - able to take the 'lie' back so I don't suspect something like correction would ever happen and that's what makes me very sad and sorry both for the unnamed individuals but also their followers who will happily continue to trust anything , be it true or not .

Oh well and we are not speaking of tiny little secret here ... but of matters of global importance and national security ... so forgive me ,

I'm on phone with the NSA anytime soon ;) ( that was a joke ).

[donk]

please tell me one reason that makes you trust somebody claiming to be 'insider' of Secret Space Projects to be really one, one reason that would hold .
I am happy to share mine .


I don't trust "insiders"

People here trusted this one because Bill Ryan made him semi-famous. It is unclear to me why he has fallen into disfavor. And I found it interesting the way bill engaged in this thread. It is even stranger to me how no one seems to find it relevant

Now I will read the read of your post, which are always among my favorite whenever I see them

[Agape]

please tell me one reason that makes you trust somebody claiming to be 'insider' of Secret Space Projects to be really one, one reason that would hold .
I am happy to share mine .


I don't trust "insiders"

People here trusted this one because Bill Ryan made him semi-famous. It is unclear to me why he has fallen into disfavor. And I found it interesting the way bill engaged in this thread. It is even stranger to me how no one seems to find it relevant

Now I will read the read of your post, which are always among my favorite whenever I see them

Well , somehow these two people found fault with each other . If they didn't , these very same people surrounding us now would still be here , good half 'religiously' listening to what G' has to say .

Or anyone else .

I support Buares in his opinion that open criticism of someone reading this thread and taking it personally is not a good manner , and while we are not able to make good discussion with G' about who he is ( really ) ,
we can still discuss physical theories , Spheres and Blue Birds , being harmless ...


:angel:

Taking break, NSA, I am on my cell .


;)

[Aspen]

When I started this thread I was excited and curious. I wondered if the insider was GoodETxSG. I didn't know at the time if he was. I was a little surprised at Bill's viewpoint and dismayed that it had offended GoodETxSG. But in hindsight now, I regret pointing out that it might be GoodET who was the insider. I was far more fascinated with the concept of the Blue Avians and what their possible motivs were, or what type of help we could be expecting. I guess I fall into the category of the gullible follower that has been mentioned several times in this thread. I agree with Donk that it might be a good idea for Bill to clarify his position. It is a bit puzzling. However, I realize that there may be information that for the public good it would not be wise to reveal???? Who knows. Since I started that thread I just want to clarify that what I was personally interested in was the concept of help from higher beings that might be of a higher nature in the spiritual sense. I, personally, do believe that we evolve spiritually on this planet. To me life here is like a spiritual boot camp. However I am also mindful of the fact that we are in a battle here on earth and that as the scripture says in the book of Ephesians "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Even though I also believe the Bible has likely been tampered with and may not be an accurate representation of what Source or any Higher Power would actually want to teach us, I often think of this saying in regards to the battle that is going on behind the scenes in the world today. There are some psychopathic people messing with things in this realm and they do call on demonic forces to help them. They believe in them, why wouldn't we? Just because we don't have a clear scientific understanding of them? That sounds like an excuse to me. But I do understand that we need corroboration and that we shouldn't continue to believe in something just because one person says it is true. So in that regard I understand where many of the skeptics on this forum are coming from. However, if we are patient, maybe some proof will become evident in coming days. I do have some trust in David Wilcock and Good ETxSG. I guess many will call me gullible. I know they are not perfect people and that people can be corrupted, infilftrated and all that. None of us are perfect. We are only humans who are trying to figure out what is really going on and sometimes we want to cling to bright spots of hope. . . . .

[Aspen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVUHeEmftE8 this video provided me some context in terms of ancient Vedic manuscripts and how they seem to be describing the ETs. He talks about the three main categories of beings in this reality: hellish, humans, heavenly. He also describes how sometimes the heavenly ones are not good. He also describes how some that are normally hellish, the reptilians can also choose to be good. He describes how there are Reptilians who are wise sages and consciously working for good.

[donk]

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I support Buares in his opinion that open criticism of someone reading this thread and taking it personally is not a good manner , and while we are not able to make good discussion with G' about who he is ( really ) ,
we can still discuss physical theories , Spheres and Blue Birds , being harmless ...


:angel:

Taking break, NSA, I am on my cell .


;)

I'm sorry Eva, where exactly did he do that? I seem to be seeing him explaining how my understanding of what the topic is is not only incorrect but irrelevant, and still looking to him to guide me in what is appropriate to talk about here...so you're saying its spheres and avians and physicals theories? That's it?

And I am still not understanding why we cannot talk about goodET (as opposed to any other whisleblower or insider), especially considering there's reams of his own his words on this very forum?

And I really can't understand why the topic seems to be deflected from this really obvious hypocracy?

I mean, we have prominent poster who have direct interactions with him and can clearly explain their experience and why it is invalid, why they promoted it early on, what they suspect is going on with here... I really thought that was like the best thing that could happen to this place? I thought the direct experience of trusted poster was among the "holy grail" of what people come to "truth" sites for?

And the most genuine experiencer I have ever read (eva) gets overlooked...gets dismissed (and is now acting as sort of apologist? Clear this up for me please)...and now we're all going to pretend like this all just information and doesn't matter who presented (and reacted) to it?

Is my perspective entirely insane? Does anyone actually believe anything we actually tell ourselves here??

[Atlas]

Sorry donk, your only purpose here is to raise personal emotional concerns which I don't care about and that are not related to the topic.


I personally have no attachment to the information.
I do care about the information, when someone says that there are 100 giant spheres the size of Jupiter in our solar system, I want to know how and why.

Would you mind going back to topic ? Thanks.

:focus:

[donk]

Oh sorry....Thanks for 'splainin' my intent. Why don't you clarify for the forum how it would serve me and my agenda?

Ps: I'm waiting for you tell me what the topic is

[Atlas]

I'm waiting for you tell me what the topic is
It's in the title: "Insider claims to meet with Blue Avian Humanoids on Giant Sphere"


Curious article linking David WIlcock and Benjamin Fulford. Wonder if they know about this? The most interesting part to me was wondering if the insider that met on the Sphere with the Blue eight foot tall humanoids could be GoodETxSG, a former member of Avalon???? I guess David Wilcock knows other insiders too, but it mentioned his wife and him going into a trance like state and having the meeting in the astral. Sounds kind of like something GoodETxsg might have done. Whoever it was - I congratulate him on his courage and willingness to serve humanity!!! http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2015/03/benjamin-fulford-and-david-wilcocks.html

"The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.” As silly as this may sound, they are eight-foot-tall humanoids derived from avian life, with birdlike heads and bright indigo-blue feathers. They have more or less normal-looking hands and feet. The head is a synergy between bird and human features. There are other avian types out there as well. It is not common but it does occur.

One of my insiders got pulled into a meeting that was very serious. We didn’t know if he was going to come out of it alive, or at least not without being heavily tortured and screamed at for what he had told me and what was leaked. Only later did we realize that the Blue Avians had personally requested him.

He was guaranteed by them that he would not be harmed. They told him many things. One thing they felt was very important was that they have not had ANY contact or communications with the Cabal. One of the five main factions in the Space Program, named Solar Warden, is allied with them now, and they are working with the Alliance on earth, but never the Cabal.

I had mistakenly said on Coast they had some contact with the Cabal and they corrected it.

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

That’s as much as I know now. I do not for a minute believe the insider was lying to me. He was deeply shaken and profoundly moved by this experience."

[donk]

So when sorcha faal is posted up, Bill jumps on it to point out the disinformation agent angle. DW and goodET post wild stuff, and we want to dissect the science of it and ignore the messenger?

Am I really the only one seeing a disconnect here? A double standard? A deflection?

[Atlas]

sorcha faal is a CIA agent, David Wilcock is (or is supposed to be) a truthseeker.

If you don't like the way Bill posts, why don't you share your concerns with him and let us go back to the topic of this thread.

------------------------------------------------

So apparently, David Wilcock made several mistakes when he forwarded the intel provided by GoodET.

Next question: how many spheres are there ? and how many are of the size of Jupiter ? 10 ? 50 ?

[donk]

I love the way bill posts. I don't dislike and never said I did. I'm questioning his intent. I don't assume I know anyone's the way you do.

So you're assuming the spheres exist and we need to further discuss the possibility of the implications? Dennis and jakes posts didn't do the trick to show how silly the idea of their existence even is? What's left to discuss?

I tried presenting that the insider is upset he feels his information is being misrepresented. That an important point of supposed truth seeker DW is that the avians are not here as saviors. Can that be on topic? Wanna discuss that?

[Calz]

So apparently, David Wilcock made several mistakes when he forwarded the intel provided by GoodET.

Next question: how many spheres are there ? and how many are of the size of Jupiter ? 10 ? 50 ?


Yes. 3 hour ***live*** radio spot and during the last hour of "open phone" questions DW made a couple of mistakes which he corrected himself within the next day or two with comments to Fulford's blog.

I have not seen a specific reference to exactly how many of what size etc.



I continue this conversation because I try to be helpful in a peaceful understanding of what seems to be a search for "unprovable truths". As someone who has long followed DW's work perhaps I am too biased.

I have stated elsewhere several times I no longer trust *anyone* about *anything* completely.


It saddens me that we cannot keep this on a more positive note although I understand the drive for seeking "truth" which has brought us all together.


There are those here who have a much greater perspective of what goes on in the Universe and I defer ... simply offering up my own opinion(s) ... fwiw.

[Shadowself]

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

Putting on the brakes?

The Ring At The End Of My Nose Makes Me Look Rather Pretty
Its A Pity There's Nobody Here To Witness The End
Save For My Dear Old Friend And Confidante - Madamoiselle Kitty


Let the show begin.

BU_2oNF9CZE

My son just left on the redeye for his part in a world tour with a rock band so excuse the rock out....while I have to bring this up:

This aint no party ~ This aint no disco ~ This aint no fooling around!


Life during wartime!

Talking (Bird) Heads

xzORu1dqEE0

Oh Yeah?

The domino effect is a chain reaction that occurs when a small change causes a similar change nearby, which then causes another similar change, and so on in linear sequence. The term is best known as a mechanical effect, and is used as an analogy to a falling row of dominoes.

Relevant physical theory:

Causality
Chain reaction
Butterfly effect


The Illustrated Sutra of Cause and Effect: 8th century, Japan

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ed5951.jpg



Blue Avains are "putting on the brakes"?

"This is not going to be allowed".


Perhaps a little war is okay?


Why now? Where were they all this time?


Sipping blue sphere cocktails at the Cantina?

:cantina:

If this is not considered a savior action....I don't know what is!

[Calz]

Blue Avains are "putting on the brakes"?

"This is not going to be allowed".


Perhaps a little war is okay?


Why now? Where were they all this time?


Sipping blue sphere cocktails at the Cantina?

:cantina:

If this is not considered a savior action....I don't know what is!


Yum .... blue margaritas ...


http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/8e/19/608e19f2a61bacc1c13b470de76602b3.jpg


well ... let us pretend we have slammed down a few and keep an open mind just for the sake of ... argument??? entertainment???


karma ...


do we deny it exists???


what if ... just what if we are coming quickly to the end of a cycle and there are bills to be paid???


Shucks ... how many influences have been imposed on humanity by those from "beyond"???


Certainly we as humanity must extradite ourselves from victim mentality ... agreed.


What if ... just what if those that have impaired the path of humanity are returning (or have never left) and there is actually "justice" in the Universe such that they are compelled to make things right ...


Silly me ... naïve dreamer of the new age ilk ...


Never mind ...

[Jake]

.

I support Buares in his opinion that open criticism of someone reading this thread and taking it personally is not a good manner , and while we are not able to make good discussion with G' about who he is ( really ) ,
we can still discuss physical theories , Spheres and Blue Birds , being harmless ...


:angel:

Taking break, NSA, I am on my cell .


;)

I'm sorry Eva, where exactly did he do that? I seem to be seeing him explaining how my understanding of what the topic is is not only incorrect but irrelevant, and still looking to him to guide me in what is appropriate to talk about here...so you're saying its spheres and avians and physicals theories? That's it?

And I am still not understanding why we cannot talk about goodET (as opposed to any other whisleblower or insider), especially considering there's reams of his own his words on this very forum?

And I really can't understand why the topic seems to be deflected from this really obvious hypocracy?

I mean, we have prominent poster who have direct interactions with him and can clearly explain their experience and why it is invalid, why they promoted it early on, what they suspect is going on with here... I really thought that was like the best thing that could happen to this place? I thought the direct experience of trusted poster was among the "holy grail" of what people come to "truth" sites for?

And the most genuine experiencer I have ever read (eva) gets overlooked...gets dismissed (and is now acting as sort of apologist? Clear this up for me please)...and now we're all going to pretend like this all just information and doesn't matter who presented (and reacted) to it?

Is my perspective entirely insane? Does anyone actually believe anything we actually tell ourselves here??
Goodetsxg does not have equal access to this forum. I, for one, will not allow for a discussion about him in which he would not be allowed to offer input, and defend himself, or clarify when needed. This would be taken as an attack on him and I wont do it... It is quite silly to Bring up Sorcha Faal, and suggest that there exists a double standard (somehow) because Bill does not offer attacks..

It is obvious to most everyone here, donk that you want to stir up contention. If there is another place for you to go to start a fight, please feel free... Again, thats really not what we do here.

Cheers
jake

[Calz]

Goodetsxg does not have equal access to this forum. I, for one, will not allow for a discussion about him in which he would not be allowed to offer input, and defend himself, or clarify when needed. This would be taken as an attack on him and I wont do it...

Cheers
jake

Thank you Jake.

Any suggestions on how to carry this topic forward without breaking any protocols or stepping on any toes???


Cal

[Ultima Thule]

I get what Donk is in essence noticing: there is a casual claim been uttered about big a** spheres, a hundred of them. No notion whether they are physical or ethereal. If someone else would've made the claim, would there be this much ado about they being with mass or not and being assumed it being DWs delusions in any case. In other instance we might be more inclined to entertain the idea of them being - well, more like ghosts - with no physical "measurable" presence, but detectable for some. Perhaps someone would draw up a comparison of how well they and a hundred more would fit undetectably size-wise into the vast emptiness of our solar system. I mean nobody said planets with a mass, but spheres. The definition of a sphere off course then merits further, thorough exploration.

Donk is asking in essence for neutrality, which is not at all too much to ask. This far this discussion has had unfortunate moments of humanitys animal pack-like ridiculing behaviour from page 1 of the book called "how to build up discrimination in a group setting, vol 1", aimed at DW - possibly accidentally. I too believe we can do better.


UT

[Shadowself]

Jepordy show the answer given....what's the quesiton?


The answer: Discretion...

Final Answer?

http://i59.tinypic.com/34sl7yh.jpg

That's a biggie!

The act of discretion encompasses cause and effect as well as free will.

Discretion: the right to choose what should be done in a particular situation

: the quality of being careful about what you do and say

: the quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment

: ability to make responsible decisions

: individual choice or judgment

And so on.


~

The question: What is the Golden Elixir?

Jiudan jing

Jiuhua dan

Alternative name...Elixir of Great Clarity


Efflorescence: A state or time of flowering; anthesis. A gradual process of unfolding or developing. The deposit that results from the process of effervescing. Also called bloom.

Jindan : or Golden Elixir

Gold represents the state of constancy and immutability beyond the change and transiency that characterize the cosmos.

Yellow Court Classic

This process of Internal Alchemy doesn't rely on society, environment or any external ingredients.(according to Jade Emperor's "Mind Sealing Classic", Elixir of Immortality is fully in ourselves, very subtle and neither physical nor intellectual). Transformations start and end (in every cycle) in Oneself, through Oneself, by Oneself. The Alchemy (Divine Chemistry) is an internal Symmetry of the Spiritual Beings, that preserves their awareness and identity through all changes of the temporal world.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Court_Classic

[Jake]

Goodetsxg does not have equal access to this forum. I, for one, will not allow for a discussion about him in which he would not be allowed to offer input, and defend himself, or clarify when needed. This would be taken as an attack on him and I wont do it...

Cheers
jake

Thank you Jake.

Any suggestions on how to carry this topic forward without breaking any protocols or stepping on any toes???


Cal

Yes, we could try and honor Goodetsxg by not dragging him into a fight. We can honor Bill with the same damn respect. We can have some self respect and integrity by honoring ourselves..

Beyond that, I am not the thought police.. This business of continually condemning Avalon and Bill as hypocrites with absolutely no intention of discussing the topic at hand is not the way forward.

Jake

[Calz]

Goodetsxg does not have equal access to this forum. I, for one, will not allow for a discussion about him in which he would not be allowed to offer input, and defend himself, or clarify when needed. This would be taken as an attack on him and I wont do it...

Cheers
jake

Thank you Jake.

Any suggestions on how to carry this topic forward without breaking any protocols or stepping on any toes???


Cal

Yes, we could try and honor Goodetsxg by not dragging him into a fight. We can honor Bill with the same damn respect. We can have some self respect and integrity by honoring ourselves..

Beyond that, I am not the thought police.. This business of continually condemning Avalon and Bill as hypocrites with absolutely no intention of discussing the topic at hand is not the way forward.

Jake


I have never condemned Avalon or Bill ... to the best of my memory ... ever.

What Bill and Kerry offered us (at no financial expense mind you) for a long time was magical and I for one will never discount that.


I was hoping for a way this topic could be continued in a manner that was constructive to all parties interested.


Yes ... topic is *way out there* but was that not the way Camelot drew us all together???


GoodEt and DW have been prominent here for years now.


Correct?


Fulford had his space here as well for anyone that has forgotten ...

[Ernie Nemeth]

All I can say is: I'm glad I went through this thread backwards. Saved me a lot of time. One page of info, seven of...well...not info.

The Gene Roddenbarry link to paranormals was interesting, the rest, not much so. That friendly exchange between two esteemed members was good entertainment though.

[Jake]

Goodetsxg does not have equal access to this forum. I, for one, will not allow for a discussion about him in which he would not be allowed to offer input, and defend himself, or clarify when needed. This would be taken as an attack on him and I wont do it...

Cheers
jake

Thank you Jake.

Any suggestions on how to carry this topic forward without breaking any protocols or stepping on any toes???


Cal

Yes, we could try and honor Goodetsxg by not dragging him into a fight. We can honor Bill with the same damn respect. We can have some self respect and integrity by honoring ourselves..

Beyond that, I am not the thought police.. This business of continually condemning Avalon and Bill as hypocrites with absolutely no intention of discussing the topic at hand is not the way forward.

Jake


I have never condemned Avalon or Bill ... to the best of my memory ... ever.

What Bill and Kerry offered us (at no financial expense mind you) for a long time was magical and I for one will never discount that.


I was hoping for a way this topic could be continued in a manner that was constructive to all parties interested.


Yes ... topic is *way out there* but was that not the way Camelot drew us all together???


GoodEt and DW have been prominent here for years now.


Correct?


Fulford had his space here as well for anyone that has forgotten ...

Ha, actually, I had forgotton that. :)

Goodetsxg was a member for quite a long time. My goodness, we became friends.. I called him brother bear for christs sake.. :)

I feel much different about a conversation where folks are a bit insulting to , say,, DW or BF,,,, than a conversation where Goodetsxg could be treated in that manner. Especially when certain folks just want to see a fight... He is a big boy and can defend himself, please dont read me wrong. But here at Avalon, he bacame more than the likes of DW/BF,, personally speaking..

This may perhaps be new terrain for us.. He will most likely come up again in another conversation.. I would say that if we wanted to honor him, then we dont allow ourselves or others to drag it into a fight.. At some point, beyond the protocols and guidelines,, we should honor the spirit of Avalon, and Bill..

Jake

[Aspen]

I for one would like the title of the this thread to be changed to "Blue Avians." Could one of the moderators do that please??? I think that would set a more respectful tone and refocus the topic on what my original intention was for the thread. It would sound less like an article for the National Enquirer! I was simply curious about the blue avians and wondered if others were also curious and what their thoughts were on it. I had no idea that Good ET really was involved with this story when I started the thread. And David Wilcock has not confirmed that GoodETxSG really is the person who had an astral meeting with the Avians. It is still a conjecture at this point.

I worded the title so it would draw attention because there are so many thread and I thought this might turn out to be of some importance and wanted people to notice it. I was aware that the title might make some people laugh, but at least they are paying attention . . . ..and maybe it would brighten their day. It did lift my spirits when I first read the story in Wilcock's and Fulford's article. David Wilcock is staking his reputation on this story even though he is aware it sounds ridiculous.

I also had hoped that if it was Good ET that it would be a way of providing support to him. I guess I was not ready for him to leave the site when he did. I found his information very intriguing and wanted to hear more.

I understand that many on this site, including myself, have been fooled in the past. We have believed something that turned out not to be true. So I understand that healthy skepticism is wise. However, could we turn down the aggressiveness a notch . . . or two?????

David Wilcock has recently stated that he has had corroboration about the spheres from other insiders.

I am assuming that if GoodETxSg is offended by the thread on Avalon it probably has something to do with his past experience on Avalon. I also assume that he did not feel comfortable on Avalon. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that perhaps he didn't want to deal with all the harassment that seems to be normal for some of the members on this site.

[Agape]

I'm sorry Eva, where exactly did he do that? I seem to be seeing him explaining how my understanding of what the topic is is not only incorrect but irrelevant, and still looking to him to guide me in what is appropriate to talk about here...so you're saying its spheres and avians and physicals theories? That's it?

And I am still not understanding why we cannot talk about goodET (as opposed to any other whisleblower or insider), especially considering there's reams of his own his words on this very forum?

And I really can't understand why the topic seems to be deflected from this really obvious hypocracy?

I mean, we have prominent poster who have direct interactions with him and can clearly explain their experience and why it is invalid, why they promoted it early on, what they suspect is going on with here... I really thought that was like the best thing that could happen to this place? I thought the direct experience of trusted poster was among the "holy grail" of what people come to "truth" sites for?

And the most genuine experiencer I have ever read (eva) gets overlooked...gets dismissed (and is now acting as sort of apologist? Clear this up for me please)...and now we're all going to pretend like this all just information and doesn't matter who presented (and reacted) to it?

Is my perspective entirely insane? Does anyone actually believe anything we actually tell ourselves here??


Respectfully , Donk,

from what I've learned ( really ) in this field , from people wiser than I am is that we can't 'disprove' anyones experiences or claims directly ,

or as they say 'the burden of proof is on the side/responsibility of the claimant ' .

So no one here - or anywhere else - I suppose can 'debunk' someones theory or statement in way that would leave you without doubt and suspicion .

It's the good thing about sovereignty of your intellect and free will that you have to use your own mind and best judgement in each case and how well it's fitting to your understanding .
There are 'truths' so far away from our current world view that we simply can't be disturbed by them a lot , not till the time comes , millions years later - something like the fact that this Sun is going to meet its ends one day and expand to supernova .
It's a 'disturbing fact' but does it spoil your day tomorrow ?

And when I say 'fact' , it's not quite accurate either because plenty of unknown to us now factors may step in , in the next half billion years that will change the course of matters .

However ... if you came back tomorrow and said that according to the NASA super secret space project the Sun was going out of character next week ,

people would demand proofs that there's indeed collective of scientists in your back who are in possession of data supporting such claim .

I think I'm taking this little 'too far' beyond where we want to go , the 'calming thing' about GoodETxSG is that his claims are benevolent . On the other hand , and once /if there is large number of people believing him for the same reason , any of such outrageous claims can cause another little drama .

I think I'm merely trying to use 'piece of my brain' ( not the smartest piece in either case ) for benevolent purpose of clearing mist from a room .

It's a Zen effort .. if you are familiar with Zen attitudes .. it's like sweeping the yard every morning . Tomorrow there will be more leaves and dust again and someone will sweep it out .

It's all I can do . Empty the trash bins, wash dishes and do some vacuuming . It has much to do with what society makes of 'woman roles' .

If I looked like male ( I know the difference ) and/or was from Texas , my testimony would have been treated differently right from the start .


As Jake said , and I agree .. we are not here to hurt someone who can't defend themselves , beyond all .

The best ethical rule says ''speak of others in their absence as if you would in their presence'' . While being the best is nearly impossible we can still be good and kind hearted beings of wisdom.

You're also contradicting yourself just a little .. saying the information does not ring true bells with you but .. wishing to discuss the 'insider' . What kind of insider , what kind of 'whistleblower' . To be one , there has to be a substance .


Another friend of ours , long gone once 'secret projects whistleblower' whom I don't want to name in this context but his nick 'Michael Prince' is still within the Witness board is now somewhere between prison and mental institution ,
diagnosed with 'pervasive delusional disorder' in his own statement .

http://www.thebasesproject.org/p/news_4.html

I feel like opting out of the discussion may be the only way to save ones common sense in this case perhaps , as well .


:angel:

[Jake]

Thread title changed at the request of the OP.. :)

Back to topic.

Jake

[Aspen]

Anyone actually interested in the Blue Avians can find the latest update on GOodETxSG's site http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/ He is promising much more detail in coming days and asks for patience. This was his most recent message

"Thursday, February 12, 2015




Appearance of the "Moon", "Neptune" & "Jupiter" sized "Sphere Craft" & their associated "Purple Sphere Beings" as well as their "Blue Avian" & "3 Other" Allied races (Classified for now) Opposed to the Current "Custodian Beings" of our "Solar System".



Appearance of the "Moon", "Neptune" & "Jupiter" Sized "Sphere Craft" & their associated "Purple Sphere Beings" as well as their "Blue Avian ET's" (Blue Bird Aliens) & "3 Other" Allied races (Classified for now) Opposed to the Current "Custodian Beings" of our "Solar System".

(UPDATE 2/28 From C2C Show Below) & (Major Update 3/03 On "Blue Avians") - IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A "SAVIOUR BEING" THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE HERE TO DO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT OURSELVES ACCORDING TO THEIR "MESSAGE" AND PLAN RECENTLY COMMUNICATED!

(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...)."

[Shadowself]

Thanks Agape for that post and Jake for attempting to get this back on topic.

Perhaps with a bit of Zen Music and Discretion we can discuss the topic with some decorum?

(Agape I listen to this album at home when I'm cleaning) ;)

kRrIAqCdjCI

[Agape]

Very many thanks Shadowself for the beautiful music ... wish peace and calm expands and extends to all .

Listening :music:

:angel:

[Shadowself]

You know...I'd really like to give DW the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to believe.....the music helps ;)


So I read the last link in the above link:


Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 x @ 6:05 am

This is clearly another example of the Blue Avians / Sphere Beings removing all offensive capabilities that the Cabal could have used to wipe us out on earth.
Notice that it happened AFTER I did the show on Coast and announced that they were doing this, as well as announcing it in the corresponding article:
3/2: US Military Satellite Explodes Above Earth

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11444155/US-military-satellite-explodes-above-Earth.html

http://benjaminfulford.net/2015/03/02/confusion-and-chaos-at-highest-levels-of-g7-governments-as-revolution-begins/#comment-301126

Unfortunately David....that explosion did not happen on that date.

DMSP-F13 exploded on February 27th. According to Space News where the article David sites was written from here:

http://spacenews.com/20-year-old-military-weather-satellite-apparently-exploded-in-orbit/


So...What am I to think?

Has David used discretion writing these comments before posting them? It would certainly behoove him to do some homework before making those comments.

[Wes Penre]

Curious article linking David WIlcock and Benjamin Fulford. Wonder if they know about this? The most interesting part to me was wondering if the insider that met on the Sphere with the Blue eight foot tall humanoids could be GoodETxSG, a former member of Avalon???? I guess David Wilcock knows other insiders too, but it mentioned his wife and him going into a trance like state and having the meeting in the astral. Sounds kind of like something GoodETxsg might have done. Whoever it was - I congratulate him on his courage and willingness to serve humanity!!! http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2015/03/benjamin-fulford-and-david-wilcocks.html

"The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.” As silly as this may sound, they are eight-foot-tall humanoids derived from avian life, with birdlike heads and bright indigo-blue feathers. They have more or less normal-looking hands and feet. The head is a synergy between bird and human features. There are other avian types out there as well. It is not common but it does occur.

One of my insiders got pulled into a meeting that was very serious. We didn’t know if he was going to come out of it alive, or at least not without being heavily tortured and screamed at for what he had told me and what was leaked. Only later did we realize that the Blue Avians had personally requested him.

He was guaranteed by them that he would not be harmed. They told him many things. One thing they felt was very important was that they have not had ANY contact or communications with the Cabal. One of the five main factions in the Space Program, named Solar Warden, is allied with them now, and they are working with the Alliance on earth, but never the Cabal.

I had mistakenly said on Coast they had some contact with the Cabal and they corrected it.

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

That’s as much as I know now. I do not for a minute believe the insider was lying to me. He was deeply shaken and profoundly moved by this experience."

The above experience may be real, from what I can see. Then it's always a matter of how an experience--even if it's 1st hand--is interpreted. Of course, manipulation is always a factor--an important factor.

The "avian beings" do exist! I call them the "Aquarian Bird Tribe" in my Papers. They are working together with Lord En.ki and were assisting him in his rebellion against his parents; the Queen of the Stars and Khan En.lil. They are not benevolent toward mankind. They are a factor to really count in when it comes to controlling and suppressing us all. http://wespenre.com/.

Wes Penre

[Atlas]

(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...)
Ahem...


projectavalon.net/Request-for-information-about-blue-ETs (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25473-Request-for-information-about-blue-ETs)
projectavalon.net/Blue-People-of-Old (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41498-Blue-People-of-Old)
projectavalon.net/Blue-Ray-beings--starseeds--the-forgotten-healers-of-Earth-discussion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49787-Blue-Ray-beings--starseeds--the-forgotten-healers-of-Earth-discussion)
projectavalon.net/Why-some-ETs-could-have-blue-skin... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65254-Why-some-ETs-could-have-blue-skin...)
projectavalon.net/Anyone-run-into-any-Blue-Skinned-Aliens (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69634-Anyone-run-into-any-Blue-Skinned-Aliens)
projectavalon.net/Tall-cute-blue-tentacles-Ma--wenn-5th-Element. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70802-Tall-cute-blue-tentacles-Ma--wenn-5th-Element.)

Amongst others...

What was that again ? "Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings" ?

Maybe GoodET should stop watching sci-fi movies, he is imagining things.

[RunningDeer]

Anyone actually interested in the Blue Avians can find the latest update on ...

...(UPDATE 2/28 From C2C Show Below) & (Major Update 3/03 On "Blue Avians") - IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A "SAVIOUR BEING" THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE HERE TO DO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT OURSELVES ACCORDING TO THEIR "MESSAGE" AND PLAN RECENTLY COMMUNICATED!

(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...)."


I for one would like the title of the this thread to be changed to "Blue Avians." Could one of the moderators do that please??? I think that would set a more respectful tone and refocus the topic on what my original intention was for the thread. It would sound less like an article for the National Enquirer! I was simply curious about the blue avians and wondered if others were also curious and what their thoughts were on it. I had no idea that Good ET really was involved with this story when I started the thread. And David Wilcock has not confirmed that GoodETxSG really is the person who had an astral meeting with the Avians. It is still a conjecture at this point.

Aspen, if as you stated "respectful tone and refocus the topic on what my original intention was for the thread", it makes no sense that you included this:

“(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...).""

RunningDeer

UPDATE:

I assumed that you cut and pasted the information off the blog from the link you provided. I didn’t see that statement there. I even ran a find-search. My educated guess is that phrase from your post isn’t yours because you don’t use capitals nor capital letters in the middle of sentences.

[Hervé]

[...]
Appearance of the "Moon", "Neptune" & "Jupiter" sized "Sphere Craft" & their associated "Purple Sphere Beings" as well as their "Blue Avian" & "3 Other" Allied races (Classified for now) Opposed to the Current "Custodian Beings" of our "Solar System".

[...]

Appearance, eh?!

Doesn't that mean they are "visible" and therefore very physical?!

In that case, back to post # 8 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80400-Blue-Avians&p=938969&viewfull=1#post938969)!

[Tangri]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am

"Since someone asked, the Blue Avians do not speak. They communicate telepathically while simultaneously holding up their right hand, palm forward, and doing very fast sign language that corresponds with what you hear in your mind.

Luke did not understand the sign language but they obviously do. Only one hand was ever used.

– David"

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

[DNA]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am

"Since someone asked, the Blue Avians do not speak. They communicate telepathically while simultaneously holding up their right hand, palm forward, and doing very fast sign language that corresponds with what you hear in your mind.

Luke did not understand the sign language but they obviously do. Only one hand was ever used.

– David"

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

[Tangri]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am

"Since someone asked, the Blue Avians do not speak. They communicate telepathically while simultaneously holding up their right hand, palm forward, and doing very fast sign language that corresponds with what you hear in your mind.

Luke did not understand the sign language but they obviously do. Only one hand was ever used.

– David"

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

Than I can say
According the Sanskrit writings-these Blue color people live in sub terrain levels. Blood streams do not have Fe(iron)(which allow them not depend on O2). Copper and sulphur are needed for their metabolism.

[Aspen]

HI DNA, I didn't respond because I didn't know the answer to your question. I didn't know GOODETxSG's real name. Also, Running Deer, that phrase was part of the post on GoodETxSG's blog. Perhaps he has taken it off. . . .

Update: yes, he has taken it off. Cool!

[Aspen]

Alright, as far as refocusing on the Blue Avians, I was curious about speculations as to motives of why they would be here. Some in this thread have speculated that it might have to do with karma ( I gather the karma of the Blue avians and not ours. They may have held back humanity in some way.) and someone cautioned that we should not assume that they relate to us on our level of understanding, I rmember the word cabbage was used. I tried to find that post again, but couldn't.

I was wondering if maybe it has to do with the overall scheme of things. Its not all about us, but the big picture of what is best for all the humanoid types in our galaxy? For example it has been said by some that Pleidians and other ET races have incarnated here in human bodies. Perhaps they want to continue to do so and if the population is cut back drastically - that option no longer exists. Also, if it is true as GoodETxSG has suggested, that we are a type of genetic experiment that has been going on for a million years, then maybe we are needed by other races of ETs. Maybe these beings are aware of the genetic experiment and would like to see it continue. Maybe it has to do with something really simple, such as spiritual evolution. If I understand Simon Parkes correctly, he has said that he himself was the product of a genetic experiment and that one of the purposes of it was to create a hybrid between Reptilian and Mantid and human. He has also talked about Mantids being at a cul -de-sac in terms of spiritual development and that they have considered piggy backing on the humans. Apparently the Mantids were aware that some type of transition was going to happen to humans and they want to be a part of it for their own development and progress as a Species/race. ( I am not sure if I got this exactly right so anyone feel free to correct me about what Simon Parkes has said.) In any case, perhaps the interest of the Avians is of a similar nature as with the Mantids. Perhaps they know that ETs that have made mistakes in the past have a method of "redemption" or spiritual evolution for the humans. If there are suddenly only 500,000 of us or we are completely wiped off the earth by elites that are holing up on Mars it would perhaps affect the chances for incarnating on earth and making spiritual progress by a vast number of souls scattered throughout the universes. Just a thought . . . . .

[RunningDeer]

HI DNA, I didn't respond because I didn't know the answer to your question. I didn't know GOODETxSG's real name. Also, Running Deer, that phrase was part of the post on GoodETxSG's blog. Perhaps he has taken it off. . . .

Update: yes, he has taken it off. Cool!

Your post had his blog time stamped for: Thursday, February 12, 2015, but your post #155 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80400-Blue-Avians&p=940445&viewfull=1#post940445) was today @ 14:50. My response to you was @ 15:37. He works fast because as soon as you posted, I immediately cut and pasted his blog page to run a find-search. Among a couple of thoughts…one is that he must be reading this thread and updating his blog at warp speed.

If so... GoodET your comment was in poor taste for someone that claims to be in service to others.

“(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...).""

[Agape]

I think that G' is soon going to disprove general theory of relativity since he seems to have more energy than matter , perhaps he does that by including his Gravity to the equation ;)

It's going to be E=m/GxETc2 from now on , sorting the worlds energy problems :panda:

[DNA]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am

"Since someone asked, the Blue Avians do not speak. They communicate telepathically while simultaneously holding up their right hand, palm forward, and doing very fast sign language that corresponds with what you hear in your mind.

Luke did not understand the sign language but they obviously do. Only one hand was ever used.

– David"

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?

This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

Than I can say
According the Sanskrit writings-these Blue color people live in sub terrain levels. Blood streams do not have Fe(iron)(which allow them not depend on O2). Copper and sulphur are needed for their metabolism.
I'm not so sure about that.
The Hindu blues are blue skinned humans. These Avians are blue feathered bird people.

[DNA]

Curious article linking David WIlcock and Benjamin Fulford. Wonder if they know about this? The most interesting part to me was wondering if the insider that met on the Sphere with the Blue eight foot tall humanoids could be GoodETxSG, a former member of Avalon???? I guess David Wilcock knows other insiders too, but it mentioned his wife and him going into a trance like state and having the meeting in the astral. Sounds kind of like something GoodETxsg might have done. Whoever it was - I congratulate him on his courage and willingness to serve humanity!!! http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2015/03/benjamin-fulford-and-david-wilcocks.html

"The group that has appeared from the spheres is called the “Blue Avians.” As silly as this may sound, they are eight-foot-tall humanoids derived from avian life, with birdlike heads and bright indigo-blue feathers. They have more or less normal-looking hands and feet. The head is a synergy between bird and human features. There are other avian types out there as well. It is not common but it does occur.

One of my insiders got pulled into a meeting that was very serious. We didn’t know if he was going to come out of it alive, or at least not without being heavily tortured and screamed at for what he had told me and what was leaked. Only later did we realize that the Blue Avians had personally requested him.

He was guaranteed by them that he would not be harmed. They told him many things. One thing they felt was very important was that they have not had ANY contact or communications with the Cabal. One of the five main factions in the Space Program, named Solar Warden, is allied with them now, and they are working with the Alliance on earth, but never the Cabal.

I had mistakenly said on Coast they had some contact with the Cabal and they corrected it.

They actually gave me some intriguing personal information. The other main thing they said was that Cabal people were defecting over into the Alliance and altering the plans. The Cabal people are pushing for “instantaneous violence” to solve the problem.

This is not going to be allowed.

Apparently the Avians are now “putting on the brakes” and “slowing things down a bit,” as it was about to go really wild, really fast, from what they were saying.

The key is that the Avians want us to move into a loving and peaceful world. They want this transition, similarly, to be as peaceful as possible.

That’s as much as I know now. I do not for a minute believe the insider was lying to me. He was deeply shaken and profoundly moved by this experience."

The above experience may be real, from what I can see. Then it's always a matter of how an experience--even if it's 1st hand--is interpreted. Of course, manipulation is always a factor--an important factor.

The "avian beings" do exist! I call them the "Aquarian Bird Tribe" in my Papers. They are working together with Lord En.ki and were assisting him in his rebellion against his parents; the Queen of the Stars and Khan En.lil. They are not benevolent toward mankind. They are a factor to really count in when it comes to controlling and suppressing us all. http://wespenre.com/.

Wes Penre

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Enlil favor extermination of this human experiment, making Enki the good guy in so far as mankind is concerned?

[Agape]

I think that G' is soon going to disprove general theory of relativity since he seems to have more energy than matter , perhaps he does that by including his Gravity to the equation ;)

It's going to be E=m/GxETc2 from now on , sorting the worlds energy problems :panda:

You may need this equation once the Blue Avian Sphere approaches - or for any other inter dimensional calculation about energy since what you get is electron in excitation state times exponential constant ( thus xE ) , Time has to remain 0 in initial quantum state so we will have to put it as xE/T instead since you lose nothing by dividing by 0 and G' of course , for gravity is not your ordinary terrestrial G , it's G' variable that I think has to be solved using Riemann conjecture corresponding to mass and velocity of the approaching system .
So I'm modifying it to E=m/G''xE/T.c2 for now , higher the dimension , more excited the electron . ;)

It will pull out lots of extra energy out of the system here .



Running Dear ... what a beautiful picture you have ...

:angel:

[donk]

HI DNA, I didn't respond because I didn't know the answer to your question. I didn't know GOODETxSG's real name. Also, Running Deer, that phrase was part of the post on GoodETxSG's blog. Perhaps he has taken it off. . . .

Update: yes, he has taken it off. Cool!



Your post had his blog time stamped for: Thursday, February 12, 2015, but your post #155 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80400-Blue-Avians&p=940445&viewfull=1#post940445) was today @ 14:50. My response to you was @ 15:37. He works fast because as soon as you posted, I immediately cut and pasted his blog page to run a find-search. Among a couple of thoughts…one is that he must be reading this thread and updating his blog at warp speed.

If so... GoodET your comment was in poor taste for someone that claims to be in service to others.

“(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...).""

Wait...I thought jake said we needed to protect his honor? The other mods don't seem to agree?

Why is anything I post acccused of being some sort of emotional manipulation but anyone doing the same with a favored viewpoint is not only valid but encouraged?

So we analyze the motive of Aspen's post, show huge concerns about who said what and why, and talk at goodET when we perceive attacks from him, but donk is merely stirring up stuff if he questions anyone's motive?

I am sorry my perception of hypocracy and double standards is somehow seen as an attack by some, but it is what I see. I haven't been trying to start arguments, and especially not for entertainment value.

I wish people would actually read the words I choose to explain the reality I see...maybe answer some of the questions I actually ask? Or at least not twist them?

[arwen]

Hi All,

I apologise in advance, we are supposed to be discussing Blue Avians here, but I am really puzzled by some things that just do not add up. This is not personal, since I am too new to understand the politics behind all this, but from what I can see:

1) GoodETxSG is Luke, who is David Wilcock's source on the data about the Blue Avians and the spheres (what his real name is, really is not relevant), but he is openly posting additional data about the Blue Avians and what is going on under his ID of GoodETxSG, so it is obviously him;

2) My limited understanding of the events around his video and departure from this forum was that, among other things, he felt, as a whistleblower, his identity had been discovered, and he had concerns for the safety of himself and his family - he reported receiving a death threat, etc.;

3) If 2 above is true, the logical thing to do is to lie low for a while, to minimize the risk of any potential harm being directed at one and one's family, which leads me to the part I do not understand:

If he was so concerned about his and his family's safety, then why is he now making it so obvious that he is Luke, and doing more disclosure? It just does not fit with a person who is in fear of blowback from previous whistleblowing, and the very real dangers they face.

Since he is the source of this data, and since David Wilcock has a large following, I feel that understanding this is relevant to the credibility of the data supplied. (I am not disputing that Blue Avians do exist, only wondering about the reports from him, transmitted by David Wilcock, of the BAs being here, why they are here, and what their supposed agenda is).

If anyone can shed any light on this, I would appreciate.

[Tangri]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am



This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

Than I can say
According the Sanskrit writings-these Blue color people live in sub terrain levels. Blood streams do not have Fe(iron)(which allow them not depend on O2). Copper and sulphur are needed for their metabolism.
I'm not so sure about that.
The Hindu blues are blue skinned humans. These Avians are blue feathered bird people.

:shocked:
Also I am sure about ; Chinese blues, Iranian blues, Israelis blues are blue skinned humans.

You were joking , right?

[Tangri]

Hi All,

I apologise in advance, we are supposed to be discussing Blue Avians here, but I am really puzzled by some things that just do not add up. This is not personal, since I am too new to understand the politics behind all this, but from what I can see:

1) GoodETxSG is Luke, who is David Wilcock's source on the data about the Blue Avians and the spheres (what his real name is, really is not relevant), but he is openly posting additional data about the Blue Avians and what is going on under his ID of GoodETxSG, so it is obviously him;

2) My limited understanding of the events around his video and departure from this forum was that, among other things, he felt, as a whistleblower, his identity had been discovered, and he had concerns for the safety of himself and his family - he reported receiving a death threat, etc.;

3) If 2 above is true, the logical thing to do is to lie low for a while, to minimize the risk of any potential harm being directed at one and one's family, which leads me to the part I do not understand:

If he was so concerned about his and his family's safety, then why is now now making it so obvious that he is Luke, and doing more disclosure? It just does not fit with a person who is in fear of blowback from previous whistleblowing, and the very real dangers they face.

Since he is the source of this data, and since David Wilcock has a large following, I feel that understanding this is relevant to the credibility of the data supplied. (I am not disputing that Blue Avians do exist, only wondering about the reports from him, transmitted by David Wilcock, of the BAs being here, why they are here, and what their supposed agenda is).

If anyone can shed any light on this, I would appreciate.

Good questions Arwen. But if I write answers to your questions, probably moderators is going to delete or edit my words and you would not understand it anyway. I will try to PM to you.

[DNA]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am



This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

Than I can say
According the Sanskrit writings-these Blue color people live in sub terrain levels. Blood streams do not have Fe(iron)(which allow them not depend on O2). Copper and sulphur are needed for their metabolism.
I'm not so sure about that.
The Hindu blues are blue skinned humans. These Avians are blue feathered bird people.

:shocked:
Also I am sure about ; Chinese blues, Iranian blues, Israelis blues are blue skinned humans.

You were joking , right?

Just looking to clarify.
Your statement is now mocking or sarcastic, I'm not sure which.
And you wonder why your ignored?

[Tangri]

Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 6:02 am



This Luke (Wilcock mentioned it) , Is the same person as our ex-Avalonian GoodETxSG?


Am I invisible or unworthy to respond?

I ask a simple question, no one seems to have an answer. Everybody using reference name but ignore my question.

Before making an assumption on OP, I need a clear answer on the name of source. He said, she said doesn't help me to understand writer's intent.

Thank you Aspen and DNA for thanking my post but I would be more appreciated if I get my respond.

Sorry.
My bad. I didn't see the question mark and I thought it was a statement.
From what I'm hearing the answer to your question is yes.

Than I can say
According the Sanskrit writings-these Blue color people live in sub terrain levels. Blood streams do not have Fe(iron)(which allow them not depend on O2). Copper and sulphur are needed for their metabolism.
I'm not so sure about that.
The Hindu blues are blue skinned humans. These Avians are blue feathered bird people.

:shocked:
Also I am sure about ; Chinese blues, Iranian blues, Israelis blues are blue skinned humans.

You were joking , right?

Just looking to clarify.
Your statement is now mocking or sarcastic, I'm not sure which.
And you wonder why your ignored?

Yes, I looked for clarifying to whom we were dealing here. It is nothing related OP.

I thought you were joking with Hindu blues. When I mentioned Sanskrit writings, I did not referred any Hindu people or any surface people or any metaphoric paintings.

[RunningDeer]

If so... GoodET your comment was in poor taste for someone that claims to be in service to others.

“(Regardless Of The HEAVY "Bill Ryan/Project Avalon Cult" Dis-Info Campaign Against These Beings That State Otherwise...).""

Wait...I thought jake said we needed to protect his honor? The other mods don't seem to agree?

Why is anything I post acccused of being some sort of emotional manipulation but anyone doing the same with a favored viewpoint is not only valid but encouraged?

So we analyze the motive of Aspen's post, show huge concerns about who said what and why, and talk at goodET when we perceive attacks from him, but donk is merely stirring up stuff if he questions anyone's motive?

I am sorry my perception of hypocracy and double standards is somehow seen as an attack by some, but it is what I see. I haven't been trying to start arguments, and especially not for entertainment value.

I wish people would actually read the words I choose to explain the reality I see...maybe answer some of the questions I actually ask? Or at least not twist them?


...and talk at goodET

I’m not talking ”at” GoodET, I’m talking to him.

UPDATE: deleted the rest...

[Ultima Thule]

Good questions Arwen. But if I write answers to your questions, probably moderators is going to delete or edit my words and you would not understand it anyway. I will try to PM to you.

In the spirit of neutrality, this is uncalled for. I am sorry if I misinterpret your post, but I see it as casting a cloud of innuendo on the mods which they really cannot defend against. They are just like you and me and these innuendos are the stuff that eats them alive and make them wan't to quit the job. On my short tryout as a mod, it became evident that immediately one is "promoted" above the "mass" of members here, they are immediately viewed as something to be chewed on and mistrusted. Would you be untrustworthy as a mod?

I am sorry if I read too much into your post.. In any case, in the spirit of neutrality I called for earlier it is never a bad call to remind that the mods are just like anyone of us. There is absolutely no reason to assume they suddenly develope "bad" tendencies when they step up. I mean - look at who they are or used to "be" as ordinary members. That alone should blast away all innuendo.

UT

[Aspen]

Hi All,

I apologise in advance, we are supposed to be discussing Blue Avians here, but I am really puzzled by some things that just do not add up. This is not personal, since I am too new to understand the politics behind all this, but from what I can see:

1) GoodETxSG is Luke, who is David Wilcock's source on the data about the Blue Avians and the spheres (what his real name is, really is not relevant), but he is openly posting additional data about the Blue Avians and what is going on under his ID of GoodETxSG, so it is obviously him;

2) My limited understanding of the events around his video and departure from this forum was that, among other things, he felt, as a whistleblower, his identity had been discovered, and he had concerns for the safety of himself and his family - he reported receiving a death threat, etc.;

3) If 2 above is true, the logical thing to do is to lie low for a while, to minimize the risk of any potential harm being directed at one and one's family, which leads me to the part I do not understand:

If he was so concerned about his and his family's safety, then why is now now making it so obvious that he is Luke, and doing more disclosure? It just does not fit with a person who is in fear of blowback from previous whistleblowing, and the very real dangers they face.

Since he is the source of this data, and since David Wilcock has a large following, I feel that understanding this is relevant to the credibility of the data supplied. (I am not disputing that Blue Avians do exist, only wondering about the reports from him, transmitted by David Wilcock, of the BAs being here, why they are here, and what their supposed agenda is).

If anyone can shed any light on this, I would appreciate.

Good questions Arwen. But if I write answers to your questions, probably moderators is going to delete or edit my words and you would not understand it anyway. I will try to PM to you.

People can leave this forum at any time and do not have to give all their reasons for doing so. I don't think it is necessary to the discussion to know all the reasons why. Only GoodETxSG can answer that, and he is no longer on the site. He left several months ago and events have transpired in the meantime . . . . . He does not owe us any explanation beyond what was already said at the time that he left the site. It is not really appropriate to discuss his business on this site.

[Olaf]

Here is my question:

If those entities really are from 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th density (as they claim it), than they would not need any kind of 3rd or 4th density vehicle. That makes no sense. Unless this vehicle is planned to be used for 3rd and 4th density beings.

So possible conclusions are:

a) The beings are lying. They are 4th dimensional beings, but they try to install a legend, they were of higher dimensions. So what would be the purpose of this?
or
b) The beings are not lying. They bring their vehicles to be able to give the species of this solar system (earth based and others) an opportunity to go into exile for a while. The purpose can be to save the species in the ungoing changes. (For instance vulcanic eruptions, heavy climate turbulences.)
or
c) Same as b) but with a malevolent intention: The purpose could be to prevent the Solar system's species from changing into the next density together with our solar system, when the solar system makes its transition. In that case humans will be kept in 3D, even if the Solar system makes a transition.


In my view these are important questions.

[Agape]

I wish people would actually read the words I choose to explain the reality I see...maybe answer some of the questions I actually ask? Or at least not twist them?

Hi Donk,

I think that any and all of the argument about the matter is being useless because we are not actually able to provide answers , not on this level of discussion anyway .
The problem does not have immediate solution .
G'' variable ' believes that he may have all the answers at hand , that's how he joined Dave Wilcock who too believes in having all the answers at hand , is possible .

People are trying to discus his revelation about 'Blue Birds' in Spheres .. what really seems to evade everyone is how much validity is or not in his ID and claims about Secret Space Projects .

If you are offered 'complete lie' it may be easy to dismiss , especially if it's complex .

What is difficult to fight against , and hope Aspen will agree , from psychological perspective is 'perfect' mixture of truth-semi-truth-untruth .

This is only too common phenomenon in human psyche , and society to be overlooked and dismissed easily and most of us are familiar with it in real lives .
Someone telling you good thing but creating story of who they are/were because there is NO WAY ( they think especially ) you can check it ,
so that their information gains desired value and impact IS a problem and equals lie to me .

It's unfortunately the smart way how to accomplish 'human business' and if you're capable of creating 'good story' is usually many times more powerful than plain truth .
The difference may be as good as one between tasteless milk and strawberry smoothie .

The problem is - very common one - that people so convinced about the importance of their information and impact it's going to have on human society ,
subconsciously justify their self-perception to a degree where they actually believe they have been 'so and so ' or events occurred 'thus' knowing there's no way to disprove it .

Suppose something - UNO meeting - or military project - are top secret - who on the Earth can stand up to disprove it's happened ? Or to be more precise, that it happened the way you make it sound like ?

No one .

So .. err .. this tends to be the case with many 'whistleblowers' , most of whom cling to the alternative arena knowing they can't be disproved ,
and will perpetuate the story .

I have 'human family member' who is highly intelligent and with whom I fight all life for her inclination to use about the same tactics whenever she thinks it's important enough , or ..to justify her opinion . And while I still love her , there's no way I can /could protect myself from very bad visceral reactions to such behaviours ,
and there is actually no way to 'straighten her up' . Being intelligent and vulnerable - as in G''s case makes you feel totally furious when someone suspects you'd be fabricating facts .
I only learned , for preservation of my own sanity and the greater good , not to do that , and learned the value of wows to truthfulness through years of meditation in Buddhist monastery .

I suppose .. that every one of us has to confront this problem while in human world because things do not work 'on truth' or 'on faith' here , mostly ,
they work on using the smartest strategy .

And 'destroying' someones strategy here equals destroying their business .. something they are working on , to create 'better future' for 'us all' , usually endowed with full faith in benevolence of their endeavours .


It does not explain anything he said , including Blue Avians ...

and unfortunately .. even if someone would be able to explain the cause-effect relationship here ,, it would be the same arguable and unprovable as his claims and well , they will still keep selling the shampoos tomorrow ..


:tea:

[donk]

Eva-my cut and paste on this pad is all wonky and I don't want to copy to the entire post but I am speaking to it:

What really seems to evade people is that a lot of us here came because of Bill's interviews with whistleblowers (including yourself) and insiders. He was actually doing interviews with David Wilcock, and Avalon mod (at the time) Christine interviewed this insider, so he has a unique and revelant position to give us his insight on the things you say are impossible to know.

Now all of us sudden it's like we forgot about "Camelot", direct contact and interpersonal relationships and actual experience are not important or relevant, but the scientific validity of details about the "data" thats unprovable and therefore silly to even discuss on the basis of science are somehow important enough to "correct" and then snarkily affirm...this is what I find to be curious, and not only evading people...it feels like there's active deflection from it

[Aspen]

I agree that there are others on Avalon that may be able to shed light on the situation, but am assuming that they have probably already said everything they are comfortable saying about the circumstances surrounding GoodETsSG's departure from this forum. I don't know any more than the rest of you. I only know what is on G's blog and what Bill has already said in the past at the time that G left the forum.

The only reason I thought it was unwise to talk about it is because he is no longer a member and cannot clarify or defend himself. I would imagine that when one leaves a site that there may be more than one reason. That is an assumption.

I remember that when G was first interviewed that he was reluctant to say very much about things that he thought would be difficult for us to accept. This is probably the case with most whistleblowers. I don't think Avalon would have done the interview unless there was some level of trust built up over a long period of time and also some vetting that this person really is who he says he is. Maybe over time there will be corroboration of many of the things he has said. For example Randy Kramer has recently been talking about his 17 years as a soldier on Mars. His knowledge of the Secret Space program may provide some corroboration. But Agape is right in pointing out that there may be some stories that cannot be corroborated by anyone, or are much less likely to be.

[donk]

...Some of the deflections seem intentional, most seem so unconscious or unmindful the poster doesn't even notice...

[Agape]

Donk, sorry .. I realise that you actually expect expert view from none less than Bill Ryan himself so whatever I say will be insufficient .

I have got the impression that someone who followed Lukes/GoodETs/ETs threads on this board could get pretty sufficient taste what is he like and what he can offer . The atmosphere surrounding him was and still remains quite tense .
As in 'don't name me' , don't talk about me , don't this and don't that .
After the dramatic ending he made , exiting the board most of which is still well recorded in plenty of threads on this forum but also the 'other forum' ,
this over anxious individual who was so 'touchy' about using name that was not in fact his name , after all ,
made all the effort to dig out all the materials concerning Bill Ryan , his parents, their full names and dates of births , as sort of satisfaction - revenge , for being ignored .

From what I understood he was not in great communication with Bill , it was Christine , Bills spouse and former admin , and leader of the 'healers group' who worked closely with GoodET , over period of 2 years .
That's where the rift occurred , I think . As much as I know Christine and also from our private comms she was most interested to help GoodEt and 'heal ' his traumas ,
while what's the truth remained openly questionable and not-so-relevant to her as much as the fact that he suffers.

From what GoodET has posted at the end it was unclear that Bill and him would be on good terms .

Bill had explained his opinion on this in the last Project Avalon newsletter .


It could end there , in my best opinion .


Whatever statement I could make about 'myself' in here would sound 'wrong' . I've been around much longer than many , simply because of circumstances .
I have met many wonderful people around and enjoy the atmosphere ,
and I even try to fit in to thread topics times to times nowadays ;)

The situation - as I experience it - is fairly complicated - and I know there is no one who will understand it through here - or any other forum .
I think if that was possible , someone would extend their hand to me already .
The attitudes towards intelligent ET life possibility do not resonate well with most 'sane ' people , on the other hand they attract sort of quacks ( who we all can be ) and really, many people with fairly unrealistic believes and ideas . If I want to prove my point - ever - I need to recover at least some strength - to finish my work and mission.
Ways I keep going are beyond my own imagination at times ;)
You would not understand that, neither would Bill, Christine or anyone having fairly 'normal life' .
There's a system ( including authorities, medical and academic institutions ) on one side - abyss in between they're all aware of and - free, natural and alternative communities on the other side .
Both have their pros and cons and highlights , so far none have good solutions or even 'solid ideas' in these matters .
They may be about 5 other individuals on this planet to comprehend fully what has happened and chances of meeting them are slim .. still worth it .

It's still better to be quite invisible but free than falling to hands of the medical system available here, system that does not serve well even humans .

Am feeling very grateful for all those loving beings I meet on my way .. with and through whom I can also experience life .

Sunny day to you :angel:

[Agape]

I remember that when G was first interviewed that he was reluctant to say very much about things that he thought would be difficult for us to accept. This is probably the case with most whistleblowers. I don't think Avalon would have done the interview unless there was some level of trust built up over a long period of time and also some vetting that this person really is who he says he is. Maybe over time there will be corroboration of many of the things he has said. For example Randy Kramer has recently been talking about his 17 years as a soldier on Mars. His knowledge of the Secret Space program may provide some corroboration. But Agape is right in pointing out that there may be some stories that cannot be corroborated by anyone, or are much less likely to be.

Aspen ... I am familiar with some good people from the NASA side of matters and about where the technologies are at the moment and regardless the impoverished state of humanity approach to some of their former employees ,

the way any country , any organisation would cover real 'Secret Space Program' and professionals involved would be many times more advanced than to allow such people 'running around ' penniless or let them talk to media in ways to compromise such a program .
There is handful of genuine people who can talk - but those were on the 'edge' , glimpsed and interpreted what they saw as they want to see it .

There is too much politics involved in all their efforts , in essence , effort to press on various keys they think would open the 'vault' they think that exists ,
containing 'much information'.
There is no proof that such a 'vault' exists , all there is are scattered bits of 'unknown data' from where anyone can make anything they choose .

Building on these allegations of genuine witnesses , plenty of fools come out daily , from what I am privy to , trying to contact the US government with claims of sightings, abductions and alleged involvement in 'secret space' .

Someone being former military or civil employee who start to have 'experiences' at some point of their carrier , they all under pressure, naturally , getting out as a result of that and later claiming they were part of Secret Space Program to frame their experience does not really mean there's one.

I'm not debunker . I would wish that astrobiology department would spend some money on researching 'contact experiences' or would be open enough to do that,

that there were actually such programs enabling us to communicate - between the ET and human side .

So far this has not happened .

Their general attitudes towards us are rather 'well known' and are moving forwards only very slowly . From what I've seen , there is no ET-human government conspiracy - communication happening - the humans simply don't have time or minds for that .
On the other hand it could well happen easily .. at some point ..

There is human conspiracy and cover up concerning ET life that takes form of extreme skepticism , coupled with some peoples true interests in war games ,
science fiction movies and what else .

It's my earnest wish that this changes in 'our favour' .

[Aspen]

If people feel it is useful to talk about GoodETxSG please just keep in mind that he may be reading what you post and not be able to respond to clarify his understanding. There probably is information on the threads that were started after his interview (that occurred this past September and then a second interview weeks later) that could be relevant to the discussion about the Blue Avians.

[Aspen]

Hi Agape, thank you so much for your perspective. I am not sure if I have clearly understood everything you explained in the two posts above. If I understand correctly, you are saying that it would be very difficult to get any comprehensive type of corroboration of the Secret Space Program because people working within it only know pieces of information. And that when they go public with these bits and pieces of information that either the whistleblowers themselves, or the people that listen to them, can easily misinterpret the information and assume they know what it means when usually they don't have enough information or understanding of what they have seen to really comment on the bigger picture aspects.

That really makes sense to me and reminds me of how many whistleblowers talk again and again about deliberate compartmentalization within the military industrial complex and any other secret organization. One often hears of scientists, for example, working in isolation on a specific aspect of a project. This happens in industry in the mainstream world as well. For example in the oil and gas industry and the nuclear industry. They are always hiding trade secrets from each other and protecting themselves from environmentalists, politicians, etc. There are few people in organizations like these that would have a comprehensive knowledge of the whole organization and all it does and why.

What you are saying about the bits and pieces and lack of comprehensive knowledge also reminds me of what I heard David Wilcock say on youtube. It was a presentation from several years ago. It was something to the effect that even he would be surprised at how different the reality would be about what is going on outside of earth in space, with ETs, etc. than what we imagine is going on.

I notice in David Wilcock's letter of March 3 that he is hoping from corroboration of the existence of the secret space program from the Snowden documents.

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Comment by dwilcock on March 3, 2015 @ 3:16 am


No one is asking anyone to give their power away.

The Blue Avians appear to be the same Ra that delivered the Law of One.

They started out as a positive source — which were drawn as the hawk-headed “Gods” well after they left — and were quickly misconstrued as negative.

They repeatedly say in the Law of One that the hawk is their symbol.

They also talk about the bird as a symbol of the “winged messenger” or angel.

The Hopis have an engaging legend about being rescued by “bird people.” Then you have the very clear Egyptian paintings. Then you have the “Tengu,” or bird-men that were seen in Japan.

When Luke met these people the last time, they all introduced themselves by name, and every name started with the same prefix, which sounded either like “Rey” or “Rawl,” from what he remembers. This was another compelling suggestion.

I have had multiple insider confirmations now on the spheres coming in. This is of great concern to the Cabal.

When people say shaming things, my response is “would you rather I not share this at all?” As weird as it is, and I totally get that it’s “high strangeness” to say the least, this is all coming from insiders who have absolutely proven their credibility.

I do not know if we are ever going to actually see the Blue Avians. This group works behind the scenes. There is a huge “learning curve” for people to understand the scope and variety of ET life that is out there.

However, if the Snowden documents contain tons of data on the Secret Space Program, then we may be in store for a wild ride. That would be the closest we would get to a confirmation that this data about the spheres is correct."

[Agape]

Hi Aspen , what I really think is that our so called 'reality' is 'in reality' , exponentially more complicated than it seems .

And within and between the two mirrors of time and space
there's indefinite number of possibilities occurring , called theories and hypothesis
sometimes, clouding our heads and confounding our healthy reasoning
to the point we don't see clearly ..

and the journey to seeing things clearly is said to be ancient
it's much longer than what it seems and not everyone is prepared to walk far enough

and from those who went 'there'

still fewer returned with good mind .

Sometimes , the actual message is nearly impossible to confer
and the art of human language ..is in fact .. an art of metaphor

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/IMG_0299_zpswr569a1y.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/IMG_0299_zpswr569a1y.jpg.html)

Blue Bird said nothing . The case is closed ;)


Mind is a powerful tool .. you may use it to cut through reality sharp as a sword or , you may write a poem ..

you may dream a dream .. of awakening and when you awaken , there are no dreams .
Dreams are good for you :pray:


Who are of impure mind they won't understand ...throwing self on the tip of the sword too i have done and it did not help a lot .

[Aspen]

Yes, it's true, so far Blue Bird has not said much of anything. . . . not to the general public anyways. It is very easy for anyone to say that there are ETs out there that are working with the Alliance against the cabal. How would we know whether that is true or not true? Could just be a psy ops to give people false hope.
However, David Wilcock does claim that some individuals are receiving direct communication from the Blue Avians. It would be great if that happened to someone from Avalon and they were willing to share. . . . However, Wilcock is saying that the Blue Avians prefer to work behind the scenes and that downloads that people may be receiving from the Blue Avians (or the other three groups that are claimed to be in these cloaked spheres) are likely to be downloaded to the Higher Self and not the conscious mind. So that too could be problematic in terms of definite proof! Apparently seeing purple, violet or blue orbs of varying sizes, could also be a "proof" or sign of downloads. So, it would be encouraging to hear if anyone reading this has recently seen orbs of these colours.

I think I understand what you are getting at, Agape, in terms of the complexity of reality, or what we perceive as reality. Most of us live within various illusions of our own making and would prefer to stay there. Trying to glimpse higher truths or the bigger picture is extremely difficult and could be beyond our capacity to comprehend as humans or alter our perception of life so dramatically it could lead to a nervous breakdown or insanity of some kind. To me I would prefer not to remain in the "War on Terror" lets do "World War III" reality that our media and governments are currently involved with. The reality that many people are currently living in of oppression and powerlessness are unacceptable to them. Many people realize that they are living in that kind of a world and that merely preoccupying themselves with various forms of escapism is really only a delay tactic. In order to bring about any meaningful change we need to find the courage to confront the many levels of oppression. If we don't face the reality of this task then a we will bear the consequences and so will the next generation. Perhaps there are ETS who are providing support to those within the human collective who are working in that direction . . . .

[Misty]

Edited, cause I feel STUPID rereading what wrote.

[Aspen]

Here is my question:

If those entities really are from 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th density (as they claim it), than they would not need any kind of 3rd or 4th density vehicle. That makes no sense. Unless this vehicle is planned to be used for 3rd and 4th density beings.

So possible conclusions are:

a) The beings are lying. They are 4th dimensional beings, but they try to install a legend, they were of higher dimensions. So what would be the purpose of this?
or
b) The beings are not lying. They bring their vehicles to be able to give the species of this solar system (earth based and others) an opportunity to go into exile for a while. The purpose can be to save the species in the ungoing changes. (For instance vulcanic eruptions, heavy climate turbulences.)
or
c) Same as b) but with a malevolent intention: The purpose could be to prevent the Solar system's species from changing into the next density together with our solar system, when the solar system makes its transition. In that case humans will be kept in 3D, even if the Solar system makes a transition.


In my view these are important questions.

I agree they are important questions. I don't have much of an understanding of the different densities. I hope someone replies to your question that has more knowledge on this subject. The first thought that came to my mind when I read your post, was, that there may be other alternative explanations in additions to the ones you have already thought of. Additionally, it may be possible for beings that are in 6, 7th or 8th density to be in crafts that can also be in 6th, 7th or 8th density and that these same crafts can materialize, at will, into 3rd density. I recall that Simon Parkes (and others) have said that crafts of 4th density changed into 3rd density when they landed or crashed on earth. For myself it seems most logical that if these hundred or so craft exist (some of which are Jupiter or Neptune size) then the fact that they don't appear to be interfering with other planets orbits can only be explained if they are of another density.

Another thought that comes to mind is that if these beings are of an angelic type of being then there are examples in the past, such as in the Bible, of angelic beings that appeared to be human flesh and blood. One example is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The angels that came to stay at Lot's home appeared to be flesh and blood. Otherwise why would the people of the city offer them women to have sex with? How did those angels travel to the earth? According to David Wilcock and the "insiders" the Blue Avians can come and go at will, appear where ever they want. The method may be technology beyond our comprehension, or it may have to do with spiritual advancement and existing in a different form of energy altogether, like a different frequency or vibration. That's my best guess. . . . . Another piece of information that may be relevant in regards to the issue of the different dimensions is the information WIlcock presented last month about our solar system containing nurturing energy and that the most troublesome beings from other parts of our galaxy are deliberately sent to this particular solar system to be rehabilitated. He claims that several insiders have given him this information (one being a key insider that has passed info to Richar Hoaglund since the 80's). This idea is presented in the first few minutes of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbtp7rgH8p0

If it is true that the solar system we inhabit contains nurturing energy and is commonly used as a kind of prison colony or rehab, then it would make sense that it would be useful to have beings like the Blue Avians to keep the peace, or act as a healthy influence to facilitate the rehabilitation process. In other words, maybe some people need to be taken off the planet if it is about to undergo cataclysmic changes, so that they can complete their rehab elsewhere in greater physical safety.

Just another angle . . ..

[Agape]

Yes, it's true, so far Blue Bird has not said much of anything. . . . not to the general public anyways. It is very easy for anyone to say that there are ETs out there that are working with the Alliance against the cabal. How would we know whether that is true or not true? Could just be a psy ops to give people false hope.
However, David Wilcock does claim that some individuals are receiving direct communication from the Blue Avians. It would be great if that happened to someone from Avalon and they were willing to share. . . . However, Wilcock is saying that the Blue Avians prefer to work behind the scenes and that downloads that people may be receiving from the Blue Avians (or the other three groups that are claimed to be in these cloaked spheres) are likely to be downloaded to the Higher Self and not the conscious mind. So that too could be problematic in terms of definite proof! Apparently seeing purple, violet or blue orbs of varying sizes, could also be a "proof" or sign of downloads. So, it would be encouraging to hear if anyone reading this has recently seen orbs of these colours.

I think I understand what you are getting at, Agape, in terms of the complexity of reality, or what we perceive as reality. Most of us live within various illusions of our own making and would prefer to stay there. Trying to glimpse higher truths or the bigger picture is extremely difficult and could be beyond our capacity to comprehend as humans or alter our perception of life so dramatically it could lead to a nervous breakdown or insanity of some kind. To me I would prefer not to remain in the "War on Terror" lets do "World War III" reality that our media and governments are currently involved with. The reality that many people are currently living in of oppression and powerlessness are unacceptable to them. Many people realize that they are living in that kind of a world and that merely preoccupying themselves with various forms of escapism is really only a delay tactic. In order to bring about any meaningful change we need to find the courage to confront the many levels of oppression. If we don't face the reality of this task then a we will bear the consequences and so will the next generation. Perhaps there are ETS who are providing support to those within the human collective who are working in that direction . . . .


Dear Aspen . Imagine this .. you do not come visit distant civilisation to become part of their political structure ,
in fact if you're mature enough you do all to avoid such a possibility .

From my contact with any benevolent beings out there , they are all extremely reluctant to come close enough to give even unintentional reason for more conflicts and wars ,
scary as these are .

Anyone can connect to those beings , they are not exclusive to any continent , culture and certainly not in possession of any military .
They are not owned .

As you have illustrated so well in this thread, they've been around here for thousands of years of documented history ..

and my feeling is they're still completely the same 'distanced' .

Some live among people , even for short time . Being 'Blue Birds' itself is a metaphor ..

the only interesting thing we know with certainty about each other is that both of us are benevolent , intelligent form of life , and the only way we may be able to communicate are images .

Somehow I do feel heavy about saying even that much . My feeling is that people expect much of something that isn't real .
What real is on the other hand is bound to sound like fairy-tale . There are many people on this board alone who have such communications within themselves yet seldom mention it , some do not notice it .

From my very own point of view full communication can not occur under 'obscure' circumstances . How can anyone trust about anyone else over the internet ,

period ;)


If Goode claims he's talking to Sri Krishna ( the chief of 'Blue Avians' ) he'd gain thousands of followers simultaneously .

General public . Jesus Christ .


:angel:

[Aspen]

Yes, you are right, we are expecting too much, especially from the internet. We "should" be spending time in meditation and other ways of seeking contact with benevolent beings outside of the internet. That is probably safer, though not necessarily so. I guess the internet should probably be viewed as just a starting point. However, it is also a way of contacting others who are like minded.

I have really enjoyed participating in this thread today. I won't have time to do so this coming week as it is going to be hectic. I just wanted to leave people with one last thing . . . . Last spring a member shared this chart that he states he got from George Kavassilas's work. It gives an image about the different dimensions and shows how there is a void between the fourth and fifth dimension and that the fourth is also impacted by a synthetic form of reality. http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/p/structure-of-universe.html I first saw it on a thread posted on Avalon last year. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69547-A-neat-link-Structure-of-the-Universe-Sequence-of-Events

[Agape]

I don't want to be put to any box .. ;)

Internet is about packs of data . Bits of information . You or I or any 'Avian Being' are not either able or wishing to upload themselves to this internet .
You would think that if their technologies are matching human ones they should be able to do that ,
what we don't seem to get right is that 'they start about where we are ending' . It's like saying our realities do not overlap a lot .
We come to the edge of our human experience ..and they come to theirs , there we can see each other .

It's an ancient wisdom that as you say , needs to be lived first, to be experienced . Many people who had 'ET contact' were of those who made genuine effort to cross their own human limits , for the better ..

understand, there are individuals who take such efforts all the wrong way though who am i to say what wrong is .


Me too i need to go through human offices and even to the supermarket . Can't say I'd enjoy either of those things a lot .


:angel:

[Aspen]

I have had indications that I may have had a previous incarnation on another planet, so maybe that is why I resonate with the info on science fiction and on the internet about space programs. . . . On a lighter note, I wanted to post my husband's contribution to this thread. A classic song asking people to focus on the positive things in their day . . . .
"everything will come if you wish it so - as an answer when you pray!"
qk19JMEMroc

This song is bird related and has a beautiful meaning as well
"blackbird singing in the dead of night . . . take these broken wings and learn to fly"

"blackbird singing in the dead of night . . . .take these sunken eyes and learn to see."
"all your life . . . you were only waiting for this moment to arise"

BrxZhWCAuQw

Okay - one more and that's it I swear! vO5NLUOD8v8

I was struck by how the blue bird was a device that supported her through the time of a broken heart and led her back to love. If there really are Blue Avian beings out there it is quite remarkable that they chose this form and remarkable that meanings related to hope and healing have been given to bluebirds.

[Misty]

Okay, never mind what I said in my first post to this thread (which I deleted). I spent a couple hours on this guys (goodet) blog and now I'm almost afraid to be on this forum, lol. He calls this place a cult? Sheesh. Either way, I see nothing new in his ideas. Just more Alien hubub. If anything, he's making Wilcock look bad. Really bad.

[Flash]

This place here is not a cult, irrelevant what any blog of any guy says. But anyhow, do not be afraid. You are always free anyhow, to come and go as you please. As for fringe people or some with what would be considered weird ideas carriers, you will find them all over the conspiracy/spirituality web information, including here. We just have to use our own discernment.

However, most of the time, here we are in peace and can communicate amongst ourselves without being trolled to death.

[Agape]

.....and his angel troops ...

ocIn4GcyMa4

Om Shanti

:angel:

duGSgf96J_M

There shines a light in the heart of man
That defies the dead of the night
A beam that glows within every soul
Like wings of hope taking flight

A sunny day, when a baby's born
The little things that we say
A special sparkle in someone's eye
Simple gifts, every day

Somewhere there's a paradise
Where everyone finds release
It's here on earth and between your eyes
A place we all find our peace

Come - open your heart
Reach for the stars
Believe your own power
Now, here in this place
Here on this earth
This is the hour
It's just a place we call paradise
Each of us has his own
It has no name, no, it has no price
It's just a place we call home
A dream that reaches beyond the stars
The endless blue of the skies
Forever wondering who we are?
Forever questioning why?

Come - open your heart
Reach for the stars
Believe your own power
Now, here in this place
Here on this earth
This is the hour

There shines a light in the heart of man
That defies the dead of the night
A beam that glows within every soul
Like wings of hope taking flight
Like wings of hope taking flight



:angel: :angel: :angel:

[Aspen]

GoodETxSG posted the following info on the ONETRUTH Forum March 8 at 20:46 "Sort of, You are on the right track... (I know this is a lot for and some difficult concepts for our 3D minds to wrap around in some cases, not all I have found),

There are 5 beings, The "Orb Beings" that have been most associated with the "Spheres" and their "4 Allies". So far the "Blue Avians" have made themselves known.

In an upcoming "Conference" there is going to be "Another" of the 4 Allied Beings making their first appearance.

This is going to be a close cluster of 2 meetings of which one is going to be a "Conference" on the LOC while the other is going to be with "Contacted individuals" on an "Energetically Modified"/"Field Phased" Sphere.

These beings are all higher Density beings that do not need a "Vessel" to travel or reside in.

They manipulate the vibrational state of Matter and Energy "Consciously" or by thinking it so. This is also the way they "Travel".

The existence or need for these "Spheres" are an unknown at this point as they too seem to be energetic and phase in and out of densities and our reality according to the "Will" of the other higher dimensional beings associated with them.

We do not have all of the answers and do not promise that they will be forthcoming to us directly. We have no way of knowing...

There is a lot of excitement about this next round of meetings of which I am told to be prepared to be "Picked Up" for at the normal 3AM time "Central Standard Time" on Monday Night (Or actually early Tuesday Morning 3AM)... "

So apparently tonight as we sleep he will be meeting with the Blue Avians again.

[Aspen]

I was also reading the last few posts of the Simon Parkes thread on this forum and there is lots of good information about the different dimensions. I hadn't really thought about or known that it is commonly understood that humans are multidimensional, that many of us are both 3 and 4 D on earth at the present time, or that when we are receiving inspiration that we are tapping into the fifth dimension. I use a dowsing stone and it is telling me that the Blue Avians are 6th and 7th dimension.

[araucaria]

I was also reading the last few posts of the Simon Parkes thread on this forum and there is lots of good information about the different dimensions. I hadn't really thought about or known that it is commonly understood that humans are multidimensional, that many of us are both 3 and 4 D on earth at the present time, or that when we are receiving inspiration that we are tapping into the fifth dimension. I use a dowsing stone and it is telling me that the Blue Avians are 6th and 7th dimension.
This is not replying to you personally, but your post raises a broader problem in that your terminology is more or less that used (possibly coined) by the Ra entity – an upward progression through 3rd, 4th… ‘dimensions’ or ‘densities’ with ‘harvests’. I know Simon Parkes uses it as well. I’d like to know exactly where and how it entered his system because Simon is not one to get his info from reading books and websites, he gets it from horses’ mouths.

This leads to two considerations. If you start from the baseline set by Ra, then if the Blue Avians claim to be Ra, then they would have to be who they say they are because they are calling the shots – a form of circular logic. It may not be the wrong conclusion, but you haven’t really considered any other.

My issue with this curricular Ra-esque view of things is not that it is necessarily wrong, but that it is for illustrative purposes only – a kind of exploded diagram of who we are. What we are is the entire picture. What we are doing right here and now is focusing on “third density” reality and ourselves pumping in various higher frequency vibrations. In other words, instead of say replacing a 60 W light bulb with a 100 W bulb, you have a dimmer switch that can be turned up (or down) at any time; in this particular reality, it has been turned down so low for so long that it can only be turned up gently, but we know this stronger light is available because we (e.g. our “higher selves”) “already” use it elsewhere – I am using quotation marks because when you move outside of linear time, such notions become meaningless, and that includes the idea of changing densities. Within linear time of course, you may want to wake up in stages, first with the bedside lamp before drawing open the curtains to let in the sunlight. Or maybe you need outside help from someone bringing you a nice cup of coffee, or an unpleasant alarm clock calling for immediate action. Whether or not anyone’s rise-and-shine routine includes blue avians or pink elephants in the room is ultimately irrelevant: they might after all just be something out of a nasty dream that woke you up – whatever it takes to get a slumbering lump out of bed and having rested get on with all those fantastic things it is capable of. :)

[Agape]

The influence can be direct , like pointing a laser beam on a person ( or even group ) and they will start doing , saying things they would not do otherwise .
If the beam is very narrow and well pointed not only it passes through you but essentially , it connects to the deepest corners of your 'Spirit' .

I had many such 'moments' since I was kid and they could be discernible from other moments . Though , no one had to observe it is happening 'from outside' and on many occasions, I felt I'm being 'shielded' from human time-space to small or greater deal at the same time .
It's not quite the same like 'doing meditation' or prayer . It may happen in the middle of the day, middle of a street, i have heard of people to whom it happens when they drive to work early morning and what they also say,

it feels like losing minutes - more or less - of your time .


The result is mostly 'inspiration' , you then happen to do something or create something you would not have done otherwise . Some people do art, others write books or poems , still others do maths .
You can also happen to be guided by the same force to go and help someone in need .

There's lots of subtle but powerful intelligence-feeling - consciousness aspect in those 'encounters' . You feel more for the world next morning and sometimes , the feeling gets overbearing .

There is pain but that's how they are helping us down here to 'evolve' .


I don't think they have any big interest in 'messing up' with our technologies whatsoever ,
it's not essential unless it threatens us indirectly . This worlds problems could be well sorted if people evolve spiritually , then they would make good use of what is available . 50 to 80% 'big problems' would be gone in couple of decades .

See it happening ? Me not ..

It's because the influence is subtle compared to the material structure of life on earth . Sure they can't work it out for us .

So I think it's a strange situation .. where here we are caught in this bubble , aquarium of time-space , trapped into it ..for millions of years ,
and many humans don't see what is happening beyond their immediate 'layer' of consciousness ,
others do but lifting our fallen petrified remains from the gravity of this earth has never been easy .


:cantina:

[Aspen]

Reply to Aracauria's post: Actually I am not familiar with the Ra material at all. The part I found fascinating in the Simon Parkes thread was the concept that we can and probably are living in several dimensions at the same time. Someone also mentioned that nature has ten dimensions at the same time and that is why most people find it so grounding and powerful. But I would also guess that anyone familiar with the concept of ascension would also believe that we are moving as a collective humanity into fourth or fifth dimension and not be aware that it is from the Ra material. The comments on the Simon Parkes thread related to dimensions start about post number #3231

Flash and Edina are having a conversation and Flash says.,
" 3D = perception = Body = Natural fear, body sensations/sense = satanist and black magicians mains Tools, they interact in 3-4D mainly
4D = imagination= Astral = Emotions, desires, sensitivities, = false beliefs / channelling= reptilians/mantids/others main tools to govern 3-4D & bits of 5D
5D = Inspiration = Mental = Critical thinking abilities (able to analyse and chose). mental constructs = Illusions (false constructs) = reptilians, mantids, Nordics try to interact, but are less in control, as well as the higher beings on a positive note who inspire us on this 5D level

Although I understand that the dimensions can be described differently and are different, the above may help

There is more:
Next level:

6D: Causal = detachement from previous levels to see through = unattainable by those controlling or interacting in 3-4-5D
7D: our higher self integration - clear views of realities (thinking), true love

We have to strive to go far in order to relinquish and detach from potential control. Until then, we are subject to manipulations. As long as we know it, we can correct our wrongful direction we undertake. " and then Edina replies, "All dimensional experiences are happening at once, not separately. And they are not necessarily polarized to one extreme or another, it's more a continuum, in which a human, and by extension, humanity, can navigate it's environment which is also multi and inter-dimensional.

I wish I could find the research to a statement made by someone who wrote a book on time management, of all things... (LOL) of Nature being 10 dimensions. One reason why we feel so much happier in Nature is because it allows us to connect with whole being.

It's fun to play with how these various dimensional experiences express themselves.

Couple of ideas to play with here:
1. When we go to watch a movie, we percieve ourselves to be sitting in a theater watching entertainment. However, in our imagination we are interacting in the 4D arena. How does this affect our 3D environment?
2. When we come together to co-create beautiful things from an inspired vision are we are then experiencing the 5D inspiration through 3D perception. How does this vibrationally affect the 3D/4D environment?"

So they appear to be agreed that humans are capable of multi dimensionality. Are the concepts the way they describe them in agreement with your concept of the dimensions Acaucaria?

In regards to the Blue Avians, would it mean they are simply more awake than we are, if they are living primarily in 6 and 7th dimension, for example? And where would our higher self be located if we are multi dimensional?

[Agape]

With regards to human multi-dimensionality ...

you can find the situation well described in Vedic literature , for example , and couple of other Old World scriptures .

It's generally accepted concept that there is number of layers ( bodies ) of conscious energy where we operate .
In Vedic terminology they describe the 'causal body' ( that equals 'bliss body' ) as the 'highest layer' .
That's essentially where these beings also operate . Next to it you have 'mind body' that includes 'intellect body' and 'ego sense body' , 'dream body' , and further down there's 'energy body' and the very coarsest layer - like peel of an orange - there's the '3D human body' .

They describe 7 bodies with some sub-divisions but there are other esoteric traditions who keep to 3 or 4 .

We are all capable of the 'highest consciousness' but not many people give much time to experiencing themselves , consciously , on that level .

So no matter who and how ''THEY'' are , talking of ETs, the general presumption is they are coming from Space which means 'from above' . On their side of matters they are too possessed of physicality though on slightly different level than we are and God knows they may not be even interested in meeting these nut peels face to face ;)

Ours and theirs consciousness however , can still well communicate through those higher layers ..


:angel:

[swoods_blue]

So this could really be a fascinating thread. I have several points to add, and I'll try to do that concisely:

1) The information (giant orbs containing blue avians) is alleged insider info that none of us really have any way to measure, prove or disprove. It's backed by David Wilcock, who says he believes the earnestness of the source, but again, that's just metadata. The actual info doesn't involve David Wilcock.

2) It has been clarified that these dozens of sphere come in various sizes, from the size of moons to Jupiters. I don't know the link, but I would point out that a number of other witnesses over the years, including Alex Collier, have made similar claims about massive ET craft.

3) I agree that you have to be skeptical about such claims, but if you believe any of the eye-peeling testimony that came out of Project Camelot, including anti-gravity research here on earth, inter-dimensional travel, the "Chronovisor," Bob Dean's testimony about UFO craft, Arthur Neumann's trips to Mars, and the like... Well, in that universe, the idea of higher-dimensional beings flying undetectable Jupiters into our Solar System is just as believable. I mean, why not?

4) Given that, I was really surprised to see Bill dismiss the notion that they could be cloaked interdimensionally, as the witness (GoodET) states.

5) I take it as something of a tautology that any civilization capable of building Jupiter-sized spheres can cloak it if they damn well please. It is the building of such a sphere that I find most astonishing, actually.

6) Too much interpersonal stuff in this thread.

7) It would be helpful if people made an effort to economize their words a bit.

[Agape]

So this could really be a fascinating thread. I have several points to add, and I'll try to do that concisely:

1) The information (giant orbs containing blue avians) is alleged insider info that none of us really have any way to measure, prove or disprove. It's backed by David Wilcock, who says he believes the earnestness of the source, but again, that's just metadata. The actual info doesn't involve David Wilcock.

2) It has been clarified that these dozens of sphere come in various sizes, from the size of moons to Jupiters. I don't know the link, but I would point out that a number of other witnesses over the years, including Alex Collier, have made similar claims about massive ET craft.

3) I agree that you have to be skeptical about such claims, but if you believe any of the eye-peeling testimony that came out of Project Camelot, including anti-gravity research here on earth, inter-dimensional travel, the "Chronovisor," Bob Dean's testimony about UFO craft, Arthur Neumann's trips to Mars, and the like... Well, in that universe, the idea of higher-dimensional beings flying undetectable Jupiters into our Solar System is just as believable. I mean, why not?

4) Given that, I was really surprised to see Bill dismiss the notion that they could be cloaked interdimensionally, as the witness (GoodET) states.

5) I take it as something of a tautology that any civilization capable of building Jupiter-sized spheres can cloak it if they damn well please. It is the building of such a sphere that I find most astonishing, actually.

6) Too much interpersonal stuff in this thread.

7) It would be helpful if people made an effort to economize their words a bit.



I'm also a witness at Project Camelot and have my own knowledge and 'metadata' ,
on the topic .

Keeping about as much anonymity as it allows me to be here without great bias .

But this has been eternal problem here ..

isn't that rather 'economical' . Are you asking to stop me communicating ?



:angel:

[Ewan]

Many many years ago I read, (in what I do not now recall), that the dimensions above Earth were filling up with visiting craft to witness an event almost unique in galactic history. I really wish I could recall more about it.

Let's assume for a moment that event is a planetary ascension and we have the possibility of going along for the ride. Further assume that it is correct tptb are intent on stopping the mass of humanity 'escaping'. That 4th dimensional beings are also loathe to let us depart. That the potential for things getting nasty, and let's face it that potential is always there with psycopaths, is also a given in this assumption. Other 4th Dimensional beings are keen to assist to help heal their own karma. Now things could get really out of control with any action leading to reaction etc. etc. 4th dimensional beings don't care much for galactic concepts such as non-interference if they see it serves their purpose.

Higher dimensional beings do care very much for non-interference, (is it 6 and up, or 7 up?). As the event approaches they arrive in a show of force that sends a clear message to would be usurpers. Action will not be allowed.

The cabal collapses in on itself in a feeding frenzy and we all live happily ever after in awakened bliss. We were entirely unaware of the 'show of force' and so maintain our authority. Would that work? :)


A point to note re spheres. A spheres volume may have no relation to its mass, a soap bubble and an orange. That earth science, even the black budget technology stuff most of us accept, may not have a chance of detecting said spheres should not be surprising.

These are just the hypothetical musings of an eternal optimist, there may not be a single blue feather in the solar system beyond the boundaries of our earthly and oft beautiful avian species. At the end of the day - So What! We are responsible for ourselves, and by extension our family. That would be all humanity. Let's focus on the pure and the good. Do the right thing.

[Zionbrion]

This thread gave me an interesting dream the other night...
I was visiting this homestead in New Zealand and went on a walk with the owner. We went around the back of his house and I saw a full moon, only it was bigger than usual. Then I noticed that there was 7 or 8 huge planet shaped objects in the sky, I pointed it out to the man and he saw them as well, but they quickly vanished. There was then a huge black ash flume, and I inquired wether it was a storm coming or a volcanoe, he aasured me it was the nearby volcanoe. Then I woke up.

[Aspen]

So this could really be a fascinating thread. I have several points to add, and I'll try to do that concisely:

1) The information (giant orbs containing blue avians) is alleged insider info that none of us really have any way to measure, prove or disprove. It's backed by David Wilcock, who says he believes the earnestness of the source, but again, that's just metadata. The actual info doesn't involve David Wilcock.

2) It has been clarified that these dozens of sphere come in various sizes, from the size of moons to Jupiters. I don't know the link, but I would point out that a number of other witnesses over the years, including Alex Collier, have made similar claims about massive ET craft.

3) I agree that you have to be skeptical about such claims, but if you believe any of the eye-peeling testimony that came out of Project Camelot, including anti-gravity research here on earth, inter-dimensional travel, the "Chronovisor," Bob Dean's testimony about UFO craft, Arthur Neumann's trips to Mars, and the like... Well, in that universe, the idea of higher-dimensional beings flying undetectable Jupiters into our Solar System is just as believable. I mean, why not?

4) Given that, I was really surprised to see Bill dismiss the notion that they could be cloaked interdimensionally, as the witness (GoodET) states.

5) I take it as something of a tautology that any civilization capable of building Jupiter-sized spheres can cloak it if they damn well please. It is the building of such a sphere that I find most astonishing, actually.

6) Too much interpersonal stuff in this thread.

7) It would be helpful if people made an effort to economize their words a bit.



I'm also a witness at Project Camelot and have my own knowledge and 'metadata' ,
on the topic .

Keeping about as much anonymity as it allows me to be here without great bias .

But this has been eternal problem here ..

isn't that rather 'economical' . Are you asking to stop me communicating ?



:angel:

I doubt if he means you Agape, I think swoods_blue is probably saying we could just stick to the topic of sharing information and since you are an experiencer(and I am not) all your direct experience with ET is very valuable and gives all of us nonexperiencers insight.

[Aspen]

The influence can be direct , like pointing a laser beam on a person ( or even group ) and they will start doing , saying things they would not do otherwise .
If the beam is very narrow and well pointed not only it passes through you but essentially , it connects to the deepest corners of your 'Spirit' .

I had many such 'moments' since I was kid and they could be discernible from other moments . Though , no one had to observe it is happening 'from outside' and on many occasions, I felt I'm being 'shielded' from human time-space to small or greater deal at the same time .
It's not quite the same like 'doing meditation' or prayer . It may happen in the middle of the day, middle of a street, i have heard of people to whom it happens when they drive to work early morning and what they also say,

it feels like losing minutes - more or less - of your time .


The result is mostly 'inspiration' , you then happen to do something or create something you would not have done otherwise . Some people do art, others write books or poems , still others do maths .
You can also happen to be guided by the same force to go and help someone in need .

There's lots of subtle but powerful intelligence-feeling - consciousness aspect in those 'encounters' . You feel more for the world next morning and sometimes , the feeling gets overbearing .

There is pain but that's how they are helping us down here to 'evolve' .


I don't think they have any big interest in 'messing up' with our technologies whatsoever ,
it's not essential unless it threatens us indirectly . This worlds problems could be well sorted if people evolve spiritually , then they would make good use of what is available . 50 to 80% 'big problems' would be gone in couple of decades .

See it happening ? Me not ..

It's because the influence is subtle compared to the material structure of life on earth . Sure they can't work it out for us .

So I think it's a strange situation .. where here we are caught in this bubble , aquarium of time-space , trapped into it ..for millions of years ,
and many humans don't see what is happening beyond their immediate 'layer' of consciousness ,
others do but lifting our fallen petrified remains from the gravity of this earth has never been easy .


:cantina:
I have heard many artists and musicians describe inspiration as seeming to come from "somewhere else." I have never heard it described like you did with the laser beam. It seems to be me it would feel intrusive, and make one feel violated. Yet you do not describe it that way. Is that because the end result has always been positive? For example you end up feeling like you have evolved, or been asked to stretch yourself to a higher level of thinking or doing?

[Agape]

His Aspen , 'laser beam' is certainly but a parallel though there is/has to be quantitive energy involved to produce objectively observable time=space effect .
But no , I never felt 'violated' by any of those communication, if not else than for the fact that the 'energy' tends to be very wise and loving,
like the type of kind hearted feeling you would expect from your parent but much deeper .
It's not an 'unconscious' process - with me - in most cases , and it does not last long usually .

I think the only danger in fact rests in possible immature response and it's beyond my imagination whether some human beings are /or would stay negative when experience such influence . It does not 'automatically' change you to anything , it does not 'change you for better' .
You have to use your own capacity, intellect and experience to process what is being shared there with you,
whether the message can be passed on to anyone else , what does it mean .

I'm talking of 'small communications' here mostly - even though, they can also result in 'big spiritual revelations' consequently .

The other part of the problem is ...

if I did not experience the open and fully technical event in Bodhgaya where I was present in the ET reality without any 'veil' present ,
I could not claim the above for 'real' in sense of 'solid reality' .

I could still trust it is real for me , and certain group of people but coming to 'honest question' as whether this is 'real ' or not I'd have to stay skeptical .

There are further - many implications to this , I may try to mention some of them later .

I think, it may be pretty difficult for majority of people , to discern what is real here or not unless we can observe these events directly .
There's also something that came on my mind earlier this morning that would deserve its own thread ..
the 'science of human belief' .

I remember at one times ..about 30% of the 'ufo&conspiracy community' believed that landings on Moon were fake and that we in fact, never landed on the Moon,

and another 30% of the larger group already believed in Secret Space Programs and that we have manned flights ( if not jump-rooms ) to Mars and many other planets and active interaction with few ET groups , each based on one planet or their orbits .

Some self-confessed 'Secret Space' employees claimed visits to another Star systems , though reluctantly .

At the end and when the 3 groups mingle .. you get about 10% of the community - and followers - believing 'all 3 options at once' and much more and that only shows well the social behaviour of human species, in my opinion .


So from my perspective , making people believe things that can't be consciously proved ..from some of these 'whistleblowers' whether they're spiritually oriented, 'channellers' , or research oriented is not practical .
At least I've never done that , through out my years as meditation teacher , despite being considered 'spiritual ' ,
I think it's more important people focus on their own capacities and spiritual evolution than believing in 'voice from heavens' .

There's of course broad spectre of possibilities of 'how these things happen' , can differ 180 degrees from one individual to another ,
I worked with people in meditation groups for long time , many of whom - especially beginners - wrestle with their 'spiritual experiences' .
So I am fine to deal with it where others are concerned but extreme cautions and discernment is always necessary .
Some peoples 'psychic experiences' are almost completely gullible . They occur as result of stress or as a form of catharsis ,
with people who experience what's called 'psycho-spiritual crisis' nowadays , their experiences tend to be transformative ..

and the whole process may last YEARS !

And there are others whose experiences are completely benevolent but so subtle they are barely aware something is happening .

My advice with this thread and topic is .. please have patience ..

people come to report something interesting , sometimes with gap of years ;)


Of course the time seems to be accelerating here on Earth .. and we experience so much drama in our everyday lives .

Most advanced ET Intelligencies evolved in Star systems that are far older than the one here . Their time-span is much slower so also longer compared to local 'spin' .
If they are around for one month ( of theirs ) it may equal hundreds of terrestrial years .
Most of them have been around for long .

From what I've got - to my direct questioning - I do question them directly if I am allowed - many years ago,
some of the fleet is essentially on 'longer orbit' around our Sun , that's before they go home . It enables them to study 'us' periodically but do other things as well without great expense for energy .

So from that , I think there are favourable times when they're closer to earth and can communicate more directly and times when they're further from here .


The way they 'appear' to people is misfitting and mystifying , in many cases I suppose .



Still later I guess and thanks for listening

:angel:

[swoods_blue]

Are you asking to stop me communicating ?

:angel:

Heck no!

But we mortals all have a "bandwidth" problem -- only so many hours to read, of course, and then there are limitations in terms of what we can digest and process in a given hour, or day. So I always appreciate it when people are succinct, but I'm not making any demands, LOL.

EDIT: And I wasn't directing my comment about economy at any one person -- it was a more general observation!

[Aspen]

I noticed today that the One Truth Forum had mentioned that Bonnie Meyers had described a blue "big bird" alien in an interview that took place a year ago. http://jandeane81.com/threads/5883-Blue-Avians-amp-Bonnie-Meyer I listened to the first part of the interview today and the description is at minute 4 to about minute 5.5 in the youtube video below:

wQVjKlEHbqo

According to Bonnie he was the captain of a spacecraft that was very large and about 250 miles out from earth. She described it as 30 miles by about 40 miles in width and height.
She describes the captain as being kind of intimidating because of his height and odd appearance, but then she felt the love that emanated from him and she felt more comfortable.
She describes him as being one of about 16 different types of humanoids she has been introduced to on board this ship that were all there at the same time.

Bonnie states in the video, "And then um, the captain of the ship was, he's uh, about seven feet tall and he kind of looks like a blue "Big Bird". I mean [she chuckles a bit] uh, when I saw him, I didn't know if I really even wanted to talk to him - because he was so large. But I felt this love come from off him, I didn't really have any fear of him. But he had like, uh, a beak and he was blue and he had like a down more on him than feathers. And his arms were quite long, he, his body had no shape. His legs were a little short compared to his body and he had brown circles where his feet were. And uh, I really had to think twice about him. But you could feel, you know, that he was no threat."

I thought it was funny that someone else had seen a blue "BIg BIrd." However, apparently , according to GoodETxSG, these are not the same type of blue avians he has had contact with.

In his post of March 8 on this forum G states that he has been contacted by quite a few people saying they have been contacted and the blue avians have told him that they and the orbs have contacted ten of thousands of people.

There was another description of a Birdman on a show published on youtube March 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkSNHvfIhfY&t=3345 exopolitika
Ray Kosulandich described a birdman he met on a ship to another experiencer who has done a fair amount of remote viewing. He states we were supposed to evolve more than 360 years ago:

"I got to meet the Birdman. . .it was cool. I took birdseed, sunflower seed, seven loaves of bread and I took the birdseed, sunflower seed on the craft and my guys had informed the birdman about me and he shook my hand. He actually has four fingers, he's uh,in a black jump suit. These guys are 9 and 12 feet tall. HIs wings are behind on the other side of his jump suit. And he's got like a crew cut red hair - with yellow on both sides. The wings are yellow and the tips of his fingers are red, and there is yellow around the hand and arms. And, uh, his face - he looks something similar to a bald eagle. He has a yellow beak and a mouth, and huge dark sunken eyes, and they can fly. They got about a billion in force on their planet they are from another galaxy. They need . . .my best friend, from MUfon, he is crazy about the Vulcans (we all know that Leonard Nemoy just passed away) . . . these guys (Vulcans) are the Birdman's best friends, they are from the planet Zentar from another galaxy. Also with them were the Moe people. He had some other ET people that he didn't mention. They are all going to be working with my fab four: the Orange people, the one eyed Cyclops guys, the Ant people, the Blue warriors. The Blue Warriors are really tough. These guys actually go into the combat of the planet when they start to do sonic blast or use lasers. In the four wars that we taped you can actually hear the sonic blast on some of their hits - the solid sonic blast. . . . . . . . . its all about the battle of the souls, we live many lifetimes." He has pictures of the blue warriors and another type of blue people that he says are very special, love our planet and can float on this website http://www.slideshare.net/exopolitika/32-extraterrestrial-species-ray-kosulandich-multigenerational-contactee Ray believes that the 29 types of star people that he has met that are benevolent are from God and are his angels. He also states that there are about 20 planets that can support human life in the Milky Way and that there were a dark type of Reptilians that wanted all 20 of the planets to be Reptilian. Apparently 12 of these planets are using human DNA to fix a mistake that was made in the past. Beings have come back from the future to ensure that the sun does not cause the humans on earth to go underground. Ray is happy that Wilcocks is bringing out information to support him and he also praises Tolec and Dr. Sam Muggzi. Reposting, as the above link is no longer working.
EkSNHvfIhfY

[Aspen]

I saw bald eagles twice today, flying fairly close over my car. They were about 70 miles apart, so it seemed to be a significant sign. I explored the meaning of seeing an eagle and thought about how David Wilcock mentioned that the blue bird men of Egypt were hawk like in appearance. I did sight hawks often over the past summer. They fish in the river near where I live. A pair of large rough legged hawks was nesting on my neighbours property last summer, and I saw him (or her)almost every morning for weeks sitting in his favourite spot in a dead tree. The shamanic meaning of hawks is similar to that of eagles, but in North America the eagle is generally considered to be more powerful. The hawk has to do with developing intuitive abilities.

IF there is such a thing as Blue Avian beings who are wanting to make us aware of them at this time - perhaps the shamanic meanings (derived from indigenous cultures) will help us make sense of them and help assess the situation. I haven't seen bald eagles for months so included them here as well. David Wilcock indicated that the current beings have chosen this form.

"One trait all hawks share, is the ability to move between the seen and unseen realms gracefully, joining both worlds together. Their acute vision attributes this ability, their discriminating nature keeps them out of dangers path. Hawks have a broad vision, allowing them to see what the future holds. In man this is a symbol of prophetic insight. If this gift is underdeveloped, it is common for people with this power animal to have a tendency of over analysing everything. When this is so, clear vision is lost. You must learn to keep your analytical mind under control, not allowing it to run wild.

Hawk posses many hunting skills. The most common, when pursuing prey, is to swiftly follow the prey’s efforts to get away. Once the prey is caught in the hawks mighty talons, it is then dismembered with their sharply pointed, powerful beak. For us, this may indicate that we may be able to run, but not hide from our destiny. For, eventually it will catch up with us.

The destiny of man is to awaken from their spiritual amnesia and to realign with the original intention of their soul. When the hawk gets a hold of us in his powerful talons, we will be asked to evaluate who we have become and to shatter our self created illusions. This will help our inner truth to come out into the open and for it to shine.

Hawk denotes union with All That Is. The hawk is a bird of the heavens, arranging the changes necessary to prompt our spiritual growth. Having this power animal can be bitter sweet. When accepting its presence in your life, you will be asked to surrender/give up anything that doesn’t honour the integrity of all life. Whether its an idea, feeling or action. Although hard work is involved, the rewards to be reaped are great, far outweighing this."


http://www.shamanicjourney.com/eagle-power-animal-symbol-of-spirit-vision-and-strength

"The vision they possess helps us learn to take a step back and view the bigger picture. We need to view the past and the present objectively, whilst looking towards the future. We need to open our minds and hearts to see past old, restricting beliefs that are holding us back. Eagle teaches us to courageously face our fear of the unknown, so we are then able to fly as high as our heart’s joy can take us. Your strengths need to be utilised wisely and remember, to soar like Eagle you must view things with caution, being confident and trusting your abilities.




Eagle is also linked with courage. To give up our limited perspectives, to release ourselves from comfortable, familiar thought patterns, even when they don’t appear to be working, and fly into a larger world requires that we are brave enough to enter unknown realms. This is further emphasised by Native American and Celtic tales, of shamans and druids who shapeshifted into eagles.

Mental and emotional shapeshifting is sometimes necessary if we want to grow and learn. As with all things there are risks involved in allowing our beings to assume new forms, however the rewards are greater. Eagle asks us to recognise that the earth is not our only home, as well for us to join it in the flight to our true home – the world of Spirit.

Eagles are majestic and bear a powerful presence. They can be social birds, but they do need isolation from human intrusion to breed in the wild.

The eagle is an incredibly patient being, often perching in a tree, holding the same position for hours on end. Those with this power animal are shown how to master the art of patience in every area of their life. For within the energy of patience all things are possible.

Eagle teaches us how to go through life without becoming attached to anything, how to accept what comes our way and see everything as a gift from the universe. With their acute hearing they hunt as much by ear as by sight. If eagle soars into your life, the ability to hear spiritually and psychically will awaken.

Eagle reminds us to communicate with All That Is on a daily basis, so the gifts offered you can be utilised fully. Keeping this up removes judgement from our consciousness. When we cease to judge, we speak with encouragement and kindness towards others. Lessons that are linked with judgement are part of this medicine and sure to be coming your way.



Eagle symbolises a state of being that is reached through inner work, understanding and passing the initiation tests that come about from reclaiming our personal power. Eagle is the gift of clear vision with which one can truly see, to live in balance with heaven and Earth. Eagle shows you how to look above so you are able to touch Grandfather Sun with your heart, to love the Shadow as much as the Light. You are being asked to give yourself permission to be free in order to reach the joy that your heart longs for. "

G also mentions that he would like to hear from any people who believe they may have received a data download. He said that he is not sure how it works exactly, but his understanding is that people have received information on a subconscious level that they will probably become aware of at some point.

[Flash]

I noticed today that the One Truth Forum had mentioned that Bonnie Meyers had described a blue "big bird" alien in an interview that took place a year ago. http://jandeane81.com/threads/5883-Blue-Avians-amp-Bonnie-Meyer I listened to the first part of the interview today and the description is at minute 4 to about minute 5.5 in the youtube video below:

wQVjKlEHbqo

According to Bonnie he was the captain of a spacecraft that was very large and about 250 miles out from earth. She described it as 30 miles by about 40 miles in width and height.
She describes the captain as being kind of intimidating because of his height and odd appearance, but then she felt the love that emanated from him and she felt more comfortable.
She describes him as being one of about 16 different types of humanoids she has been introduced to on board this ship that were all there at the same time.

Bonnie states in the video, "And then um, the captain of the ship was, he's uh, about seven feet tall and he kind of looks like a blue "Big Bird". I mean [she chuckles a bit] uh, when I saw him, I didn't know if I really even wanted to talk to him - because he was so large. But I felt this love come from off him, I didn't really have any fear of him. But he had like, uh, a beak and he was blue and he had like a down more on him than feathers. And his arms were quite long, he, his body had no shape. His legs were a little short compared to his body and he had brown circles where his feet were. And uh, I really had to think twice about him. But you could feel, you know, that he was no threat."

I thought it was funny that someone else had seen a blue "BIg BIrd." However, apparently , according to GoodETxSG, these are not the same type of blue avians he has had contact with.

In his post of March 8 on this forum G states that he has been contacted by quite a few people saying they have been contacted and the blue avians have told him that they and the orbs have contacted ten of thousands of people.

I Wonder what is her reference point to judge the size of the ship because, if I am not mistaken, in space, there is no reference point to judge the distance and hence the size of things.

[Aspen]

Here are some interesting excerpts from and article about the sixth and seventh dimension. I was curious about whether or not there is a generally accepted understanding of what the sixth and seventh dimension are. I wonder what others on this forum think or know about those dimensions?

I bolded the parts that stood out for me in the article that could shed light on the Blue Avians (if they are sixth and seventh dimension) The article is on the website of a Hindu monastery. http://www.himalayanacademy.com/view/bd_2007-01-20_sixth-seventh-dimensions

"The Sixth Dimension

"today saints and sages venerated by men . . . .[llive in the sixth] There were people who once lived in physical bodies and in the fourth dimension and who now live totally in the sixth dimension. It is possible to live without a physical body in this dimension and to still be fully conscious. One lives in his inner body.

Temple deities are sixth dimensional beings. When we visit temples and praise or pray to saints, angles, deities of great spiritual power who watch over a certain segment of the third and fourth dimensional consciousness, they actually do hear and see our supplications. Once such beings, some of these beings lived on the earth as a fourth dimensional person, meditating, striving, everything. They achieved a certain realization, mastered a certain area so completely that they earned the right, so to speak, to reign over that inner office after physical death.

Before Self Realization has been attained the sixth dimension can be a fascinating pitfall or an endless involvement for this life. For that reason, in earlier years, I taught devotees to avoid contacting that dimension and to concentrate fully on their realization. Otherwise they would have become interested, involved, in the same way one can get involved in the astral plane of the third dimension and never get far beyond it other than intellectually. Therefore, I taught disciples to establish themselves firmly in the fourth dimension, touch occasionally into the fifth and then move directly into the very pure seventh. Only after someone was very well stabilized in the non-dual experience of Self Realization and the life style of sadhana, then and only then were they allowed to investigate the world of the devas and deities. For them any experience is viewed as merely another aspect of themselves and not a something else, a being greater than themselves."

So those are some interesting ideas. So, in the original writings on San Marga we have: "Straight Path to God." And looking at the physical San Marga, then we have an area called: "The Garden of Temptations." These are all the psychic sidetracks off the path. And so Gurudeva's referring to some of them here and the first one is astral plane kind of sidetracks: channeling, past lives. Past lives, that's a fascinating one; wouldn't we all love to know all about our past lives and find about the last one and then the one before that and then the one before that? Keeps taking you away and away, further away from the straight path to God. So it's depicted there in a nice way. . . .



So, Gurudeva points out the basic approach to Realizing the Self . . . . "Therefore, I've taught disciples to establish themselves firmly in the fourth dimension, touch occasionally into the fifth dimension, and then move directly into the very pure seventh." So, that's what we do in our Shum meditations, we go into simshumbisi; that's a simple state of mind to find, the power of the spine, fourth dimensional state, and then we head for kaif and skip everything in the middle, which is the fifth and the sixth . . .

"Now where the aspirants are stronger in their sadhana they are able to relate to the devas and individual entities with vast influences while simultaneously holding the advaita principle that nothing exists outside of themselves. And even the Gods, the saints and deities are nothing more, nothing less, than the highest aspects of their own being. An aspirant contacting deities or communicating with space beings is merely touching into deeper parts of himself that were always there even when he could not actually make contact. By acquainting himself with the deities he was drawing forth those profound qualities which the deity represents awakening from one perspective those qualities within.

Science has recently discovered the sixth dimension. It tells us that all matter is energy in a grosser form and that even a chair can be reduced to sound and color at a sub-molecular level--and they're right. The sixth dimension is color sound and vibration as well as subtle forms and beings composed of these elements. A chair on one level sounds like a symphony and looks like a light show. But in the second dimension it is just an ordinary chair. It exists simultaneously in all dimensions and looks different from each.

The colors of the sixth dimension are unlike colors we have ever seen on the surface of the Earth. They are brighter, yet more subtle, and they mix and mingle; in other words colors pass into and through each other, creating exquisite varieties of color with form. If awareness has been well schooled in concentration, it can hold itself placidly through the intensity of the sixth dimension, remaining there to view the interrelated inner forces which construct the inner bodies of man. . . .

The inner mechanism of the human aura, the inner mechanism of thought forms, the inner mechanism the astral plane and the superconscious body of light, can all be seen within this dimension. Forces and ray of actinic energy, the various breakdowns of magnetic energy, the rays of the actinic force fields radiating out from the seventh dimension and the rays of the odic magnetic force fields issuing fourth from the third and fourth dimensions, all come together within the sixth dimension in a tremendous intensity.

The sixth dimension is therefore the heart of the generative and regenerative function of the intelligence of man whereas the fifth actually governs all intelligence.

Awareness in the sixth dimension has an all-knowing capacity which is difficult to translate into fourth dimensional conceptional understanding. Therefore mystics often have deep sixth dimensional experiences but can not always recall their experience later. This dimension is outside of the normal processes of thought and time and a prolonged experience that may seem to last an entire month while its actual duration on the physical plane is only two seconds. And such vast experience cannot register within the faculty of time, space, memory patterns of the fourth dimension. But from the fourth dimension the aspirant would intuit later certain aspects of the experience and bring them through to work with and use in his daily life.

. . . . The sixth dimension is a guarded area of the mind, less accessible than other states. The gates of these realms are guarded by fierce and apparently demonic creatures and entrance is only gained once it is earned.

The best way to earn access into the sixth dimension is to come in from the seventh. [This is clever.] The best way to gain audience with a king is to be a king yourself. Better not to consciously open the psychic centers of the sixth dimension but to understand the realm. . . .

So that's an interesting area, the sixth dimension is guarded, so those who try and enter it from the lower dimensions quite often give up. It's like they're not supposed to enter. So if you come in from the seventh, as Gurudeva says, then it's like a king getting access to another king. You've earned your access and you don't have that problem.

The Seventh Dimension

The seventh dimension is clear inner space, not clear white light, just clear space. It goes on and on infinitely, like an inner sky, like an infinite inner sky. Entering the seventh dimension we enter realms of knowledge resulting from superconscious perceptions of the superconscious itself. The seventh dimension does not look back into the fifth dimension at all. It does not look into the sixth. It does look into the sixth and deeper, into the tenth, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth and fourteenth dimensions which exist in a completely different realm; a different universe so to speak.

The seventh dimension is a silent world. It would be the heaven world of the Gods themselves. Their retreat place. All of this takes place within you, within the wonderful mind of man, your mind.

Between the fifth, sixth and seventh dimensions the lines we draw are understandably hypothetical. We give them boundaries and brackets in order to understand them, to define and identify these realms. The dividing lines between the first, second, third and fourth are clear and distinct. But in the deeper realms we know that they run together and merge, each existing as it does inside the other. This is intellectually intriguing, but the experience is much different. And that is what is sought, the direct personal experience.

. . . We often feel that pure consciousness must be earned by a saintly life and we generally know our life well enough to disqualify ourselves. But that is the "I am out here and heaven is in there" concept. A false concept if ever there was one. Turn it inside out. Realize and then convince the subconscious mind that you are the whole thing right now. The within as well as the without. The saint you envision living the perfect life, lives in your own consciousness. All dimensions of existence reside in you, and you will never be more or less than you are at this moment. That makes attaining pure consciousness simple, doesn't it? And it is simple if we discard the baggage of accumulated opinions and misunderstandings.

Anyone can experience kaif, awareness aware of itself, for brief interludes. It is much more difficult to sustain the intensity however, for the very power that allows us to control the mind enough to touch into kaif, stimulates the other dimensions as well, setting a wave rippling through stillest consciousness. That wave travels through the sixth, then the fifth, fourth and third dimensions, right out into the second. And if there are areas of the mind, especially in the second and third dimensions, which are not under guidance of the will or which are unresolved, then that ripple will catalyze them and pull awareness out of kaif. That is why very few aspirants are able to just sit in the absolute simplicity of kaif. . . .




Shum is a a very interesting system. . . . normally when you gather a group together and you meditate a number of people have no clue what to do so they're just sitting there, trying to not move very much for half an hour or an hour. And you have a few who can meditate very well and then you have the group in the middle who aren't quite sure of everything. So in the Shum practice, those who understand it, because they're all doing the same thing at the same time, help the others find it. It creates like a vibration which makes it easier for newcomers to experience the same thing. So that's one of the beauties of it. "

[Aspen]

David Wilcock and his sources have stated that the spheres are being guided or put in place by beings who are 6th 7th 8th and 9th dimensional. (Apparently according to the lastest report by GoodETxSG the beings do not require the spheres at all and can teleport to where ever they want). G says they are a type of technology. I wonder how long they have been here? Perhaps the pulsating light type of UFOs that have been observed for years are from these higher dimensions? THey pulsating light UFOs appear to be balls of energy much like the orbs that have been around for decades. I wonder if the thousands of orbs that are apparently downloading information to us have been doing so for years or just recent weeks???

David Wilcock stated that he has heard from his sources that the cabal attempted to destroy or damage one of the spheres they observed and that it was reported that the sphere turned red and deflected the beam or weapon back and caused the destruction of the military installation on earth. So are these spheres the size of the moon pulsating balls of energy or do they appear more solid???? Apparently they are mostly cloaked.

The second video looks like a mother ship - with smaller pulsating lights coming out from it. Maybe this could be a way that orbs are sent out????? There seem to be many of these types of videos of UFO phenomena over recent years. Perhaps these beings have been around for quite some time but are only now choosing to make themselves more known???? Anyone have more knowledge or experience with these pulsating sphere type of UFOs?

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[Aspen]

ezAJyIjCrjA On light orbs as helpers - not saviours. For her they had angelic energy, bringing unconditional love happiness and joy. They were in her life temporarily. She theorizes it has to do with entrainment, allowing us to around an energy vibration that we aspire to get to.

I have heard of orbs before and apparently they have been around for years too. Some have described them as joyful energy. Some thought they were creepy and have caught them on video and posted it on youtube. Before GoodetXSG and David Wilcock claimed that orbs would appear to give us a download, I had never noticed reports of orbs that entered bodies. I wonder if this is similar to the experience that Agape described of a focused loving energy that was inspirational.

I wonder if others on Avalon have had similar experiences?

I have personally never seen an orb but I have had experiences with angelic type beings. I remember I was praying fervently at a healing group for trauma and when my eyes were closed there were white streaks of light and it seemed that angel type beings were coming to our aid. A person was sobbing uncontrollably and I had prayed for assistance. When I opened my eye and looked toward the spot near my I could feel heat. The lady that the being was standing beside later told me that she had seen a red being of light standing next to her chair and that it was larger than a person.

[Aspen]

As this thread is turning more or less into a monologue, I will refrain from more posts. It would be nice to hear any reflections or ideas that may have arisen for other members of the site. In general I still wonder if these beings (if they really exist) are benevolent. I guess if they are real, the best outcome from my own limited point of view is that I hope they are benevolent and are here to give us a boost spiritually so that we act in calm and loving ways towards one another and towards the cabal to solve the problem of the oppression of humanity.

[Olaf]

GoodETxSG on Tot:


When I first arrived I was directed to the floor of a “Theatre” type conference room that holds about 300 people in very nice swivel chairs. [...]
It was also interesting that there were approximately 70 normal human beings that were picked up and brought to these meetings who were absolutely blown away. Many of them were in their night time clothing with their hair sticking up and bare footed as though they had no warning of the meetings.

I would expect that beings from a highly developed civilization accept and respect the cultural norms of their guests.
Bringing earth humans in their night time clothings to a conference probably violated the norms of all cultures here on earth.
It is a inhuman and barbaric gesture.
It should have been possible to inform these people some minutes before their departure, so that they could dress.

This detail is hard for me to swallow. If it is real, to me this shows arrogance and not knowing of these higher dimensional beings.

[MorningFox]

GoodETxSG on Tot:


When I first arrived I was directed to the floor of a “Theatre” type conference room that holds about 300 people in very nice swivel chairs. [...]
It was also interesting that there were approximately 70 normal human beings that were picked up and brought to these meetings who were absolutely blown away. Many of them were in their night time clothing with their hair sticking up and bare footed as though they had no warning of the meetings.

I would expect that beings from a highly developed civilization accept and respect the cultural norms of their guests.
Bringing earth humans in their night time clothings to a conference probably violated the norms of all cultures here on earth.
It is a inhuman and barbaric gesture.
It should have been possible to inform these people some minutes before their departure, so that they could dress.

This detail is hard for me to swallow. If it is real, to me this shows arrogance and not knowing of these higher dimensional beings.

Well sure, and I agree... but that's only your narrow human perspective and in no way cause to dismiss something.

[Aspen]

Glad that Olaf and MorningFox posted or I would not have been aware of the additional information that GoodETxSG has posted recently. For those interested, one must scroll toward the bottom of this link for the most recent info http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/2015/02/appearance-of-moon-neptune-jupiter.html

As far as people being taken there in their night time clothing, I don't want to judge. From the description that was given it sounded like the people were very excited (in a positive way) to be in attendance at this meeting, in spite of their dress.

[Agape]

Well, as I tried to point out earlier these Beings often appear to people in some sort of 'stellar disguise' ,
so what are you seeing it's as close to their reality as you can get ,

imagine yourself , going metaphorically up to the 'edge of the world' ( where is it ) and that's in a way the edge of your human perception ,
the universe behind you , knowns and unknowns , their conflicts and paradigms

and there , in front of you .. step forwards ..

there's whole new reality emerging in front of your eyes
and what you see and feel is no longer human


I'd like everyone could also talk to those Beings . Why not , we all talk to somebody out there whether they hear us or not .


Aspen , we need to stick to the basic testimony and presumption that these are benevolent and advanced beings , at least so much to do with my testimonial as well.


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[Aspen]

In the report that GoodETxSG wrote about this second meeting, the parts that stood out for me were:

1. There are several beings that are connected to this effort in our solar system other than the Blue Avians. He has consistently mentioned three types of orb beings in addition to Blue Avians. He also recently mentioned that there are three other allies in addition to the Avian and the Orb beings.

Before this second meeting GoodETxSG had said:

"So far only the "Sphere Beings" (The Blue, Indigo and Violet "Orb/Energy Beings") and the "Blue Avians" have made themselves "Known" to not only myself but many other people on Earth (Manly the "Orb's"). The "Other 3 Allies" are also of that "Higher Density" and will present themselves on their own schedule and not OURS. " http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/

He described a new type of being with a triangular shaped head being at this meeting. Presumably it is one of the three additional allies.

"Then all of a sudden they got quiet and those who weren't already seated did so looking forward. I turned and looked behind me and apparently the two beings standing behind me had just “Appeared” there. It was one of the Blue Avians I was familiar with and the New Being that had been promised to be “Introduced”, though there was no “Real Introduction”.
The New Being was at least 10 feet tall (Taller than the Blue Avian in attendance), was very thin and "Lanky" with "Golden Brown" skin, "NO Uniform" on yet was not "Naked". For being so tall it has only a 3 foot "Shoulder Breadth", Long arms and legs with 3 long fingers and toes. It's neck was a little on the long side and its "Head" looked large compared to the small shoulders. The head was shaped like an upside down Triangle (Pointing Down) with the corners "Rounded Off" in an almost "Tear Drop" shape with a somewhat "Flat Face. The mouth (Remained closed) was small but there was a crease at the corner of the mouth and a small rise where the lips would be (But no color difference). The eyes were completely oval, were "Powder Blue" with a dark "Iris" the shape of a "Diamond". When it moved it did so in a VERY fluid like manner." - qote from GoodETxSG's summary of the meeting on The One Truth Forum

( (I recall that Raymond Kosulandich has also described meeting such a being and has drawn a picture of it)

2. It was a physical meeting involving 70 other humans. So perhaps we will receive corroboration from other humans willing to come forward who were present at this meeting.

3. It was explained at this meeting that the beings involved with this effort did not require a spaceship. They can teleport in and out of this solar system and can even teleport back to their own reality.

4. The spheres number over a hundred and are present all over in our solar system. Apparently the spheres serve a functional purpose that are helping to buffer the strong energies that our solar system is entering into. This will help prevent cataclysms. This was by far the most exciting news for me!

"- One person in a suit that I recognized as being worn often by some who rotated into some conferences as "Delegates" asked details about Why do they need so many space ships referencing the 100 Spheres. The response was "We require no conveyance, there are far more than 100 spheres that are spaced out equidistantly through the Solar System. They are what you would best describe as devices and are in place to buffer the tsunami of storms of highly charged and vibrational energies entering your system so they do not effect your Star, Planets and Native Life in an adverse way as your system enters into this part of the Galaxy." in a post on the One Truth forum link http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/ that is also on the blog at http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/

5. The beings at the meeting also repeated that point that they do not want the information they present or they themselves or people associated with them (sucha as GoodETxSG) to become the basis of a cult or religion

"“They” again wanted to make sure that this info did not become held in a “cultish nature” or used in any controlling or egotistical ways." from same post above by GoodETxSG

6. The take away message for me personally was that each of us have a personal responsibility to do our inner work so that we can be a positive and consistently peaceful influence on each other (and probably the planet - although that comes from what Laura Eisenhower has been saying) so that the next few years can be a more peaceful time as our solar system travels through strong energies.

Perhaps through doing inner work we can also influence the political outcome in terms of ridding ourselves conclusively of the cabal or any "custodian beings" that have been using us and controlling us. We were programmed genetically to look to outside authority and outside rule. To me the messages from these beings seem to indicate that it is time to break through that old programming both individually and collectively.
Before the second meeting GOodETxSG had written:
"This was their Message that WE need to get off the couch and get into this movement for our "Freedom", take personal responsibility and make some deep and positive personal changes in ourselves. I see nothing wrong with that request. In the mean time it is obvious that WE do still need to learn some lessons to break some cycles of karma that we keep repeating. Especially if we are going to expect to stand on our own for the first time since our creation... With out being manipulated by the outside forces of these "Custodian gods"/"Custodian ET/ED's".

7. There is information related to secret space programs and the fact that travel is not going to be permitted within our solar system for some time.

"- There are a couple main SSP Groups that have been blocked from entering the Solar System since the beginning of the year. A few people lobbied for the "Sphere Allies" to allow the "Galactic League of Nations" (What I have referred to the "Nato Type SSP Group") to return. They stated the group would return under any demands. The responds was Denied and it was communicated that ALL of the travel within or without of the Solar System will remain suspended for the foreseeable future (This did not go over well with many)..."

[Atlas]

[...] a new type of being with a triangular shaped head
Lol, made me laugh. :)

http://www.travelbymexico.com/jaliatr/jali8524EGS.jpg

"In Search of Reason" by Sergio Bustamante (http://www.coleccionsergiobustamante.com.mx/product_info.php/en-busca-de-la-razon-p-241).

http://www.onejourneyatatime.com/site/2012/12puertovallarta03009.jpg

[Aspen]

Ray Kasulandich also mentions triangular headed beings but they are shorter and the triangle goes the other way and they are metallic. They are pictured on number 40 and 41 of his slide show. http://www.slideshare.net/exopolitika/32-extraterrestrial-species-ray-kosulandich-multigenerational-contactee

Maybe the triangular being is Arcturian? Rick Jordan mentions them in his book, they are slide 17 of this slide show and he states they can look many different ways.
http://www.slideshare.net/RickJordan/the-major-extraterrestrial-races?related=1

[Atlas]

[...] the triangle goes the other way
Lol... :)

Ray Kosulandich triangular headed ETs:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/rblrqjebsc2hh0txyf5i-signature-95585edcd5b68f0cdf1f8a7f92c6bdddcecdc9d4a930a1015121ca882d610844-poli-140816034540-phpapp02/95/32-extraterrestrial-species-ray-kosulandich-multigenerational-contactee-41-1024.jpg

[Aspen]

Ridicule and laughter might not be the most polite response to beings whose help we probably really need. Apparently the next few years are going to be quite rough even with their help . . .

"I was told that we shouldn't expect to be spared turmoil by off world beings. That we as Humans have been under control for so long and have been in a cycle of repeating history for so long that we will need to have a shocking series of events down here for us to have a sort of "Genetic Memory" that will prevent us from doing so in the future once we are on our own two feet and not being controlled by any "Alien or AI Gods"... from GoodETxSGs blog

[Agape]

Look here too , Shawn Thornton perspective :

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/9524830573_d416278f19_o_zps1d696947.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/9524830573_d416278f19_o_zps1d696947.jpg.html)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shawnthornton/sets/72157627356593056/

[Aspen]

This painting reminds me of an article that Laura Eisenhower posted on her facebook yesterday http://themindunleashed.org/2014/08/shaman-sees-mental-hospital.html
about how a shaman from Africa was able to successfully treat someone with symptoms of mental illness through living in a village in Africa where it is common practice to assume that when people have psychotic breaks with reality - that they are in fact being contacted by spirits or entities from other dimensional realms. They use ceremony to help the human merge with the spirit entity so that the spirit can communicate his message to the world. It was a very interesting article and an approach that would probably be far more helpful to people than the pharmaceutical approach that is currently used. It made me think about the ping pong ball size orbs that people are seeing and that are downloading information to individuals. I wonder when they started doing this. In the article posted by Laura, it was saying that these entities ususally choose people who are sensitive. It also reminded me of the Delores Cannon teaching about the three waves and how the second wave is people who are just supposed to "be" and that their role is to have a moderating or uplifting effect on those around them, but that the second wave is often so sensitive that they like to live away from the crowds.

"In the Dagara tradition, the community helps the person reconcile the energies of both worlds–”the world of the spirit that he or she is merged with, and the village and community.” That person is able then to serve as a bridge between the worlds and help the living with information and healing they need. Thus, the spiritual crisis ends with the birth of another healer. “The other world’s relationship with our world is one of sponsorship,” Dr. Somé explains. “More often than not, the knowledge and skills that arise from this kind of merger are a knowledge or a skill that is provided directly from the other world.”

. . .

“The Western culture has consistently ignored the birth of the healer,” states Dr. Somé. “Consequently, there will be a tendency from the other world to keep trying as many people as possible in an attempt to get somebody’s attention. They have to try harder.” The spirits are drawn to people whose senses have not been anesthetized. “The sensitivity is pretty much read as an invitation to come in,” he notes.

Those who develop so-called mental disorders are those who are sensitive, which is viewed in Western culture as oversensitivity. Indigenous cultures don’t see it that way and, as a result, sensitive people don’t experience themselves as overly sensitive. In the West, “it is the overload of the culture they’re in that is just wrecking them,” observes Dr. Somé. The frenetic pace, the bombardment of the senses, and the violent energy that characterize Western culture can overwhelm sensitive people."

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/08/shaman-sees-mental-hospital.html

I have no reason to believe that GoodETxSG is suffering from any kind of mental illness, other than maybe PTSD from past experiences. However, it is possible that other people on earth may have some of the difficulties described in this article if they are receiving downloads from the orbs, etc.

[Agape]

This painting reminds me of an article that Laura Eisenhower posted on her facebook yesterday http://themindunleashed.org/2014/08/shaman-sees-mental-hospital.html
about how a shaman from Africa was able to successfully treat someone with symptoms of mental illness through living in a village in Africa where it is common practice to assume that when people have psychotic breaks with reality - that they are in fact being contacted by spirits or entities from other dimensional realms. They use ceremony to help the human merge with the spirit entity so that the spirit can communicate his message to the world. It was a very interesting article and an approach that would probably be far more helpful to people than the pharmaceutical approach that is currently used. It made me think about the ping pong ball size orbs that people are seeing and that are downloading information to individuals. I wonder when they started doing this. In the article posted by Laura, it was saying that these entities ususally choose people who are sensitive. It also reminded me of the Delores Cannon teaching about the three waves and how the second wave is people who are just supposed to "be" and that their role is to have a moderating or uplifting effect on those around them, but that the second wave is often so sensitive that they like to live away from the crowds.

"In the Dagara tradition, the community helps the person reconcile the energies of both worlds–”the world of the spirit that he or she is merged with, and the village and community.” That person is able then to serve as a bridge between the worlds and help the living with information and healing they need. Thus, the spiritual crisis ends with the birth of another healer. “The other world’s relationship with our world is one of sponsorship,” Dr. Somé explains. “More often than not, the knowledge and skills that arise from this kind of merger are a knowledge or a skill that is provided directly from the other world.”

. . .

“The Western culture has consistently ignored the birth of the healer,” states Dr. Somé. “Consequently, there will be a tendency from the other world to keep trying as many people as possible in an attempt to get somebody’s attention. They have to try harder.” The spirits are drawn to people whose senses have not been anesthetized. “The sensitivity is pretty much read as an invitation to come in,” he notes.

Those who develop so-called mental disorders are those who are sensitive, which is viewed in Western culture as oversensitivity. Indigenous cultures don’t see it that way and, as a result, sensitive people don’t experience themselves as overly sensitive. In the West, “it is the overload of the culture they’re in that is just wrecking them,” observes Dr. Somé. The frenetic pace, the bombardment of the senses, and the violent energy that characterize Western culture can overwhelm sensitive people."

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/08/shaman-sees-mental-hospital.html

I have no reason to believe that GoodETxSG is suffering from any kind of mental illness, other than maybe PTSD from past experiences. However, it is possible that other people on earth may have some of the difficulties described in this article if they are receiving downloads from the orbs, etc.


You don't understand but hope you can ..

the perspective between these two types of 'vision' vary , more than one way of course but are similar to 'telescopic' and 'microscopic ' type of 'data transmission' .

What you miss in Goodes type of testimony is the 'data signature' . You are not able to decipher that part yet .

The bases of this is .. roughly ... any genuine contact experience between ETs-Humans or any other distant civilisation breaks through the time-space mirror on many levels ,
just another facet of the same .

[Aspen]

No, I don't understand. What are you trying to say Agape? Do you believe that GoodETxSG is describing a genuine contact experience or not? I am assuming that you believe it is a genuine contact experience and that somehow this signature in the information he presents is similar to the painting you posted?? If so, maybe that could be a proof that his account is true.

[Roseheart]

Hi Aspen,
My experience with orbs is similar to the lady in the video above. They appeared during my awakening process. Some were quite large and would move slowly around the room, not necessarily very close to me, and only maybe four times physically but lots more in photo's.

The other things that appear around me are very vivid flashes of light. They can be indigo, violet or white. They come to this day. I have never had a bad vibe from any of them, quite the contrary - they feel like friends cheering me on.
It's like sometimes if I've just tapped in to my heart and have spoken or known truth they flash a little "Yes!" at me.

That's the best explanation I can give.


Roseheart x

[Ewan]

Well this is getting more interesting, looks like time for more inner work rather than taking to the streets with placards. ;)

[Agape]

No, I don't understand. What are you trying to say Agape? Do you believe that GoodETxSG is describing a genuine contact experience or not? I am assuming that you believe it is a genuine contact experience and that somehow this signature in the information he presents is similar to the painting you posted?? If so, maybe that could be a proof that his account is true.

Yes I believe he has/had genuine contact experiences . In the paintings I posted for illustration and if you open the flicker page ,
you will find symbols and pictograms in those strange paintings , some of them I believe come from the same source . Also the way 'Shawn Thorton' is trying to show us his vision of reality as interconnected net , map where every 'object' is precise , abstract link to another 'object' .
Of course computer graphics can do the same thing much better today , though , in both and all cases we are dealing with 'biological signalling' process here,

not technology to technology signal .

What I'm also saying is that I've been facing every possible nook and corner of this communication about 'data' - from my own encounter since 2005 .. - and what is in game between ETs and Humans , and not that I know everything ,
but I've suffered a lot from human unwillingness and disability to respond ,
and blame they place on me .

In short .. if you see how even the best thing , and best intention can go wrong, placing trust in human intelligence and emotion turns impossible .

[Aspen]

well I can see how it requires much courage when people are faced with ridicule or suspicion of mental illness. It could even be dangerous, given the way our mental health system is these days. Ridicule and scathing skepticism are not support. I would hope that people do not give up though. Maybe we need to learn from other cultures.

Do you believe that the ET experience is possibly a spiritual experience, spirits talking to us? Maybe we are externalizing an inner experience, projecting it outward???? I guess it is probably much more complex than that, as you have tried to explain, Agape.

We often say in the exopolitical world "as above, so below." But more recently, people have talked about duality becoming a thing of the past, people like Laura Eisenhower, are saying we must move into unity consciousness. Perhaps what it happening in outer space is also happening in our "inner space" our spiritual body?

I am thinking specifically about the Hindu beliefs about the sixth dimension as described in the Himilayan academy document on post #219 on this thread
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/view...nth-dimensions :

"The Sixth Dimension

"today saints and sages venerated by men . . . .[llive in the sixth] There were people who once lived in physical bodies and in the fourth dimension and who now live totally in the sixth dimension. It is possible to live without a physical body in this dimension and to still be fully conscious. One lives in his inner body.

Temple deities are sixth dimensional beings. When we visit temples and praise or pray to saints, angles, deities of great spiritual power who watch over a certain segment of the third and fourth dimensional consciousness, they actually do hear and see our supplications. Once such beings, some of these beings lived on the earth as a fourth dimensional person, meditating, striving, everything. They achieved a certain realization, mastered a certain area so completely that they earned the right, so to speak, to reign over that inner office after physical death.

Before Self Realization has been attained the sixth dimension can be a fascinating pitfall or an endless involvement for this life. For that reason, in earlier years, I taught devotees to avoid contacting that dimension and to concentrate fully on their realization. Otherwise they would have become interested, involved, in the same way one can get involved in the astral plane of the third dimension and never get far beyond it other than intellectually. Therefore, I taught disciples to establish themselves firmly in the fourth dimension, touch occasionally into the fifth and then move directly into the very pure seventh. Only after someone was very well stabilized in the non-dual experience of Self Realization and the life style of sadhana, then and only then were they allowed to investigate the world of the devas and deities. For them any experience is viewed as merely another aspect of themselves and not a something else, a being greater than themselves."

So those are some interesting ideas. So, in the original writings on San Marga we have: "Straight Path to God." And looking at the physical San Marga, then we have an area called: "The Garden of Temptations." These are all the psychic sidetracks off the path. And so Gurudeva's referring to some of them here and the first one is astral plane kind of sidetracks: channeling, past lives. Past lives, that's a fascinating one; wouldn't we all love to know all about our past lives and find about the last one and then the one before that and then the one before that? Keeps taking you away and away, further away from the straight path to God. So it's depicted there in a nice way. . . .



So, Gurudeva points out the basic approach to Realizing the Self . . . . "Therefore, I've taught disciples to establish themselves firmly in the fourth dimension, touch occasionally into the fifth dimension, and then move directly into the very pure seventh." So, that's what we do in our Shum meditations, we go into simshumbisi; that's a simple state of mind to find, the power of the spine, fourth dimensional state, and then we head for kaif and skip everything in the middle, which is the fifth and the sixth . . .

"Now where the aspirants are stronger in their sadhana they are able to relate to the devas and individual entities with vast influences while simultaneously holding the advaita principle that nothing exists outside of themselves. And even the Gods, the saints and deities are nothing more, nothing less, than the highest aspects of their own being. An aspirant contacting deities or communicating with space beings is merely touching into deeper parts of himself that were always there even when he could not actually make contact. By acquainting himself with the deities he was drawing forth those profound qualities which the deity represents awakening from one perspective those qualities within.

Science has recently discovered the sixth dimension. It tells us that all matter is energy in a grosser form and that even a chair can be reduced to sound and color at a sub-molecular level--and they're right. The sixth dimension is color sound and vibration as well as subtle forms and beings composed of these elements. A chair on one level sounds like a symphony and looks like a light show. But in the second dimension it is just an ordinary chair. It exists simultaneously in all dimensions and looks different from each.

The colors of the sixth dimension are unlike colors we have ever seen on the surface of the Earth. They are brighter, yet more subtle, and they mix and mingle; in other words colors pass into and through each other, creating exquisite varieties of color with form. If awareness has been well schooled in concentration, it can hold itself placidly through the intensity of the sixth dimension, remaining there to view the interrelated inner forces which construct the inner bodies of man. . . .

The inner mechanism of the human aura, the inner mechanism of thought forms, the inner mechanism the astral plane and the superconscious body of light, can all be seen within this dimension. Forces and ray of actinic energy, the various breakdowns of magnetic energy, the rays of the actinic force fields radiating out from the seventh dimension and the rays of the odic magnetic force fields issuing fourth from the third and fourth dimensions, all come together within the sixth dimension in a tremendous intensity.

The sixth dimension is therefore the heart of the generative and regenerative function of the intelligence of man whereas the fifth actually governs all intelligence.

Awareness in the sixth dimension has an all-knowing capacity which is difficult to translate into fourth dimensional conceptional understanding. Therefore mystics often have deep sixth dimensional experiences but can not always recall their experience later. This dimension is outside of the normal processes of thought and time and a prolonged experience that may seem to last an entire month while its actual duration on the physical plane is only two seconds. And such vast experience cannot register within the faculty of time, space, memory patterns of the fourth dimension. But from the fourth dimension the aspirant would intuit later certain aspects of the experience and bring them through to work with and use in his daily life.

. . . . The sixth dimension is a guarded area of the mind, less accessible than other states. The gates of these realms are guarded by fierce and apparently demonic creatures and entrance is only gained once it is earned.

The best way to earn access into the sixth dimension is to come in from the seventh. [This is clever.] The best way to gain audience with a king is to be a king yourself. Better not to consciously open the psychic centers of the sixth dimension but to understand the realm. . . ."

What stands out for me in the quote above is the line: " "Now where the aspirants are stronger in their sadhana they are able to relate to the devas and individual entities with vast influences while simultaneously holding the advaita principle that nothing exists outside of themselves. And even the Gods, the saints and deities are nothing more, nothing less, than the highest aspects of their own being. An aspirant contacting deities or communicating with space beings is merely touching into deeper parts of himself that were always there even when he could not actually make contact. By acquainting himself with the deities he was drawing forth those profound qualities which the deity represents awakening from one perspective those qualities within. " and specifically the line that I have bolded.

People on this forum who have been experiencers and who also have been meditating for years may have some wisdom in this area?????

[Aspen]

Well, as I tried to point out earlier these Beings often appear to people in some sort of 'stellar disguise' ,
so what are you seeing it's as close to their reality as you can get ,

imagine yourself , going metaphorically up to the 'edge of the world' ( where is it ) and that's in a way the edge of your human perception ,
the universe behind you , knowns and unknowns , their conflicts and paradigms

and there , in front of you .. step forwards ..

there's whole new reality emerging in front of your eyes
and what you see and feel is no longer human


I'd like everyone could also talk to those Beings . Why not , we all talk to somebody out there whether they hear us or not .


Aspen , we need to stick to the basic testimony and presumption that these are benevolent and advanced beings , at least so much to do with my testimonial as well.


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I agree that this seems to be the way forward, to assume the benevolence and hope that their agenda includes the concept of keeping us alive and allowing us to advance spiritually and in other ways. I suppose, that in a way I do talk to these beings. I use a pendulum to consult with what I am hoping is my Higher Self, but I also use Bach Flower remedies every day to help with mental health and emotional symptoms. I especially rely on them because of the vicarious trauma of my job as a trauma therapist. I have been studying Bach flower remedies for several years now and they are based on the assumption that every healing plant has a spirit in the plant and that the healing property comes from the spirit. I have been using cards that represent the plants and learning to feel the energy in them. I interact at least once week with these cards and the psychically derived messages on them. My herbalist teacher also encourages us to meditate on the actual plants and try to "tune into any message they may have for us." I also encourage the children that have been traumatized to think about guardian angels. Many of my clients are aboriginal and believe in ancestor spirits that are with them to protect them. So I guess in recent years my mind has become much more open to our constant interaction with the spirit world, that they are with us on a daily basis, whether we choose to acknowledge or interact with the consciously or not. So thank you for the encouragement to do so more consciously, Agape.

Edit March 19: Interestingly I had a conversation with another therapist who also happens to be a pipe carrier and has some knowledge of aboriginal spirituality. He was telling me that when you are communicating with healing plants - they can also talk back and that we should be listening for communication from them.

I have been praying more and trying to talk to orbs or entities that are benevolent since your suggestion. And consistently whenever I use dowsing to ask if the Blue Avians are real, the answer is consistently yes.

[Agape]

Hi Aspen , it is dangerous , it may not seem so at the beginning - with all the possible cautions kept and awareness of sensitivities in human society .
In the years following my main , big encounter in Bodhgaya I was able to tell about it to really but handful of people , those I could intuitively 'screen' forwards knowing they are receptive to the idea - and rational - stable enough to take the information in.

Talking or not - in real life - does not change the state of matters because most people are not even curious about it ( unless it's on their TV program ) ,
it's enough 'not to be like them' so they keep pushing you to sides .
And they're very fast with those psychological 'safety locks' and best advise on how 'not to be a victim' ( of theirs ? ) ;)


By the way ... perhaps contrary to what others report .. I did much more meditation and had interest in all sorts of esoteric sciences before my main ET encounter .
Seeing things straight from then on, I saw how some of these are totally unreliable means to our logical reasoning and if I had some doubts on it earlier or not,
I simply retreated to my 'scientific self' .

It's not easy to describe perspective but I believe it's spiritually healthy , after all, since I withdrew my self from any sorts of beliefs ( internally ) and also self-projection to being 'spiritual self' . So that kind of thing sort of continues .. with me watching it but I do not take part a lot , unless I feel there's real need .
It definitely gives me lot more options ...


There are 'spiritual descriptions' of ET encounters but the whole thing has its solid and technical side . In our times , I think, it's becoming feasible and logical to increase our capacity to understand what is happening .. on reality grounds .. so also possible outcomes and impacts on individual and civilisation
rather than thinking we are 'just dreaming' .



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Reposting this snippet from another thread ..


I have had people behind me telling me to 'get rid of the ET data' since I ever opened my mouth about it , in 2005/6 .
When I still taught in Lotus Buddhist centre they knew what I'm working on, they tolerated it well, I had no computer than theirs that time ,
yet .. it was rather obvious they fear the topic . So do many - if not most - ordinary people , including those who had 'some experience' .

They jump to the skeptics side and start barking together - literally - about how ridiculous it is and how no one brought proofs forwards .
They are afraid even of the bit of 'extra special attention' they'd have to give to someone they considered very normal . Someone who always behaved .

I'm not sure they really want those 'proofs' .




I was open , from the start ..to any sort of test , medical screening and present the 'technical data' from the encounter to science .
If you disbelieve it is hard to do try yourself . There you will meet with the 'conspiracy looks' . Unfortunately , in 99,9% cases they're just looks .



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[Aspen]

Agape, I have only recently learned about the Bodhgaya Event that you mentioned in the post above. http://www.ufocasebook.com/etoriginofmankind.html It is a pretty amazing download of information and I am still processing it. I would be most interested in any opinion you might have about the "inner work" that GoodETxsg is reporting that the Blue Avians and orb beings say we should be focusing on; both in the context of your own personal experience and in light of the recent disclosures by GoodETxSG about downloads that he states people are receiving from more highly advanced beings such as the orbs.

I am curious about how you are making sense of all this since you say you have retreated from the spiritual practises you were once occupied in and have gone more to the scientific side of yourself. GoodETxSG has also mentioned technologies being used in our solar system to presumably provide some safety for earth and other planets in this transit through stronger energies that our solar system seems to be entering in. And maybe the downloads of information that he says many thousands of humans are receiving, are not just spiritual in nature? Perhaps it is also scientific, psychological, or knowledge reminding us of who we really are?

I was thinking about your understanding of the original humans being very highly evolved and how when they came here they had to make drastic biological adjustments to live in the heavy earth densities. I was also thinking about how humans in their spirit or soul may be much more advanced than the aliens that are close by and that may be the main reason they have been doing genetic engineering over the ages, and borrowing genes to use on their own kind. Maybe humans are recovering more of who they once were? It reminds me of the field of short wheat that had been bred to be short but after several generations the tall stalks were sticking up, it was reverting back. Maybe we are reverting back, recovering some of what we once were?

For myself, I am also unclear what inner work means, as I left organized religion behind years ago. However, I suppose we can all use improvement in terms of learning to control our tempers, letting go of fear and intergenerational trauma, live our lives in service to others and quit being mindless consumers who pollute the planet and living in denial of who they really are and who they potentially can be.

[Agape]

Agape, I have only recently learned about the Bodhgaya Event that you mentioned in the post above. http://www.ufocasebook.com/etoriginofmankind.html It is a pretty amazing download of information and I am still processing it. I would be most interested in any opinion you might have about the "inner work" that GoodETxsg is reporting that the Blue Avians and orb beings say we should be focusing on; both in the context of your own personal experience and in light of the recent disclosures by GoodETxSG about downloads that he states people are receiving from more highly advanced beings such as the orbs.

Hi Aspen , thanks ...

there's probably more than 90% of information I've never touched or mentioned in open , especially information concerning other ET visitors ( I do this occasionally but neither of us can 'do it all' ) , also most of personal information that I think would be misguiding and easily misinterpreted .
Giving people a 'taste' of something .. who you really are , how serious or solid are you in your statements , and which of them ..since human speech is versatile and multileveled in its capacity to cover different aspects of the same phenomena ,
that all over internet communication .. is not easy .. and leaves many people open to guesses . No matter how good ( or bad ) is the messenger .

We are doing kind of pioneering , missionary work .. it does not have to - it's not meant to even - look huge . It's very subtle task in fact , facilitating information flow between two ( and more ) different civilisations .
Even if we are all 'space cousins' and closely related the differences are still vast and require 'diplomatic protocol' being observed in between all sides involved .

So in the 'protocolar sense' , information exchanged in between any two parties is usually very succinct and limited .
For example : If one side asks for certain boon , such as technical help or other form of assistance ,
the other side tries their best to consider the request and answer promptly .

The rest .. and whether you do 'inner work' , chat to orbs or not , teach people how to relate to these phenomena , and whatever you or I may narrate about ourselves is voluntary , in my best opinion .
The problem is of course that since most humans can't 'see through' to the ET side or never did , never been contacted etc., the whole thing requires much explanation .

I posted this clip from the Contact movie some time ago , in another thread to illustrate the point and what does the atmosphere surround this 'fancy topic' remind me of ..

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So no matter how good your question is , I can only give step by step answer I believe , bit at a time and that's provided no one will launch invisible attack in the middle ( it just happened too often in the past .. )




I am curious about how you are making sense of all this since you say you have retreated from the spiritual practises you were once occupied in and have gone more to the scientific side of yourself. GoodETxSG has also mentioned technologies being used in our solar system to presumably provide some safety for earth and other planets in this transit through stronger energies that our solar system seems to be entering in. And maybe the downloads of information that he says many thousands of humans are receiving, are not just spiritual in nature? Perhaps it is also scientific, psychological, or knowledge reminding us of who we really are?

Well, I sort of walked there and back, between what many people would consider nearly too far ends of the world and aspects of life , from science to spirituality and back and hope I can make it back again, one more time .. ( that's a peak of my optimism though ;) ) ,
made effort to bridge many differences between people of various cultures .. including those human ones ,
so hope I am clear on this .. there's no 'technical ( scientific ) or spiritual ' .

The answer to this greater paradigm and duality of human thinking, however .. has to be searched, established yet , it's an explanation that goes step beyond current frames of physics , religions ,
the science of ET - Human communication and return to our true selves is truly inter-dimensional science ,
hyperspace physics . If you can understand how do things revolve in physical reality much of the 'obscure' symbolism becomes clear to you .

In the mean time unfortunately , many people are hoping for 3D 'flat answers' . Of them a fraction of people understand higher maths .
The topic is never - less complicated - than other life problems we can't solve so often and requires full focus of its own .
But there are no good 'flat answers' . The ET 'communication challenge' is about stepping out and beyond your current paradigm and how well are we able to organise ourselves there ,
are we firm in the higher calculus ( I don't claim that really ) to be fully capable of such communication .





I was thinking about your understanding of the original humans being very highly evolved and how when they came here they had to make drastic biological adjustments to live in the heavy earth densities. I was also thinking about how humans in their spirit or soul may be much more advanced than the aliens that are close by and that may be the main reason they have been doing genetic engineering over the ages, and borrowing genes to use on their own kind. Maybe humans are recovering more of who they once were? It reminds me of the field of short wheat that had been bred to be short but after several generations the tall stalks were sticking up, it was reverting back. Maybe we are reverting back, recovering some of what we once were?

Thanks Aspen , I think it's a very good example . Only to note down here that very few 'genetic modifications' and experiments carried on humans were malicious in nature , in sense that they would hinder natural evolution - regeneration process .
People seldom realise how lengthy the adaptation - recovery - process is for humankind .
There's always natural tendency and ability to find optimal option, the closest one to our own heritage - rather than any 'alien genes' , it simply rarely happens .

Those who stay here have to live 'human lives' , for many generations to come , other peoples 'bio-information' may serve as enhancer , adaptogenic factor ,
it actually pushes the regeneration process of what human potential is further on the line .
Of course there are risks , and there are many people who strictly , oppose the idea and would prefer a world that does not evolve a lot , unless it's all somehow 'natural' but they don't get 'nature' is not all on our side here .




For myself, I am also unclear what inner work means, as I left organized religion behind years ago. However, I suppose we can all use improvement in terms of learning to control our tempers, letting go of fear and intergenerational trauma, live our lives in service to others and quit being mindless consumers who pollute the planet and living in denial of who they really are and who they potentially can be.


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[Agape]

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ET visitor to your Sunset ;)

[Aspen]

After writing the post above I started reading David Wilcock's book Source Field Investigation. It seems to be combining the realms of spirituality and scientific thinking. It includes much research that has been done in Russia and many concepts that are outside of the realm of mainstream science. I wonder if anyone else has been reading it, and what they thought of it? Maybe this topic requires a separate thread? David Wilcock has stated that there were special messages for him from the Blue Avians and the others involved. Perhaps it has to do with this book. . .

[RunningDeer]

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ET visitor to your Sunset ;)
Sync. I'm guessing that's you, Agape. It's based on all the dreams you were in last evening and this morning. :wave:

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[Agape]

Sync. I'm guessing that's you, Agape. It's based on all the dreams you were in last evening and this morning. :wave:

:offtopic:

Can't recall ;) There was all the space around and soothing rays of setting sun .. me is 'under the hijab' , human rights manifesto .

Please tell us your dreams Running Dear ...

:hug:


I presume if you fit the right cap there it's Justin Bieber .

[Aspen]

I am glad that Agape believes that according to the information that she has that the genetic things that have been done to humans by others over the millinia were mostly of a benevolent nature and to enhance us. That is really good news! Last year I was reading the wingmaker material (the five letters from James Mahu) and he was claiming that the Annunaki trapped us in a meat suit to use as slaves for mining. I think a lot of seekers, like myself, have been affected by these teachings and believe that we were genetically manipulated to hold us back in our spiritual evolution. I also have heard from Stewart Swerdlow and Douglas Dietrich the teaching that at one point there was a treaty between the Reptilians and the other group of humans and that one of the terms of the treaty was that humans would become a hybrid and that humans today are 10% or more reptilian. This made a lot of sense to me because of the trauma work I do and the somatic experiencing techniques developed by Peter Levine are based on the assumption that we go instinctively into flight or flight or freeze mode when faced with danger and that humans today often remain traumatized because our cognitive abilities tend to over ride the instinctive ability of the more "primitive" part of our brain and we are not good at shaking out or releasing stored fear and tend to hold it in and carry it around over years. I wonder, if there ever was a genetic hybrid human because of a treaty, and I wonder if there was if it ended up helping us instead of hindering us? (In light of the history that Agape presents of us being plasma energy type beings that landed here by accident? SO much speculation I know!!! I am discouraged by all the cover ups of who and what humans really are. I feel, like Wes Penre, that in order to advance as a human collective it is important to know our history. He wades through reams of information to try to find it. Many of us do not have the time . . . . or ability to do so. It is very sad that Agape's knowledge has not been accessed by science. Even people like David Wilcock who have tried to share information in a more formal way are being dismissed. Hopefully there will be more scientists like Nassim Haramein and the Resonance Project who will look into her experience and help validate it, similar to what they have been doing more recently with the pyramids (pointing out that it requires very advanced technology and that we lack the technology today).

I am wondering too about meditation as inner work and what types of meditation would be helpful and would be safe. If any one has information on that or could point me to another thread on Project Avalon Forum. Maybe that would be helpful for people interested in the Blue Avians and Orbs topic and wanting to work on themselves?

[Aspen]

I was thinking about the image of eagles who catch fish, sometimes its graceful and neat, and sometimes its not. They have to watch patiently for the food to feed their young. Sometimes finding nuggets of truth feels that way - sometimes we find it and pluck it out neatly for our own nourishment, sometimes it drags us down and is more of a struggle . . . . . and we are all at different stages of growth intellectually, spiritually, understanding etc. My husband is sitting on the couch beside me watching a scientific youtube about the work being done in science to find planets in the universe that might be inhabitable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34sEX6VM9sU Life in Our Universe Course
later:
On the way to work I saw a raven with food in its mouth flying beside the car! lol





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[RunningDeer]

Sync. I'm guessing that's you, Agape. It's based on all the dreams you were in last evening and this morning. :wave:

:offtopic:

Can't recall ;) There was all the space around and soothing rays of setting sun .. me is 'under the hijab' , human rights manifesto .

Please tell us your dreams Running Dear ...

:hug:


I presume if you fit the right cap there it's Justin Bieber .

Justin Bieber... opps! I was off on that one. There was a knitted hat in one dream.

The scenes are set in different places. Beautiful places with yellow-green grasses and huge tree spaced out enough to see far and wide. Some people joined us. Only a few felt like shady characters.

We communicated through thought form. There was one I recall where you hid inside a circle of myself and two others. I don’t know why. We all automatically knew that’s was the plan. You wrapped yourself up in a bulky homemade knitted green scarf and matching hat. Only your fearful eyes shown through in watch for safety to return.

In another we were in business together. Sisters in this one. It was the early gathering stages to see if it’d be a worthwhile endeavor.

Most of the dreams were about us appearing in beautiful places. With no thought or reason for concern.

I slept for over 12 hours. I usually need only six to eight hours. The bathroom breaks helped me recall parts of the dreams and I'd go back into them. I’m wondering if the half almond and half coconut milk I make encourages it. I recall two other recent evenings with the same milk an hour before bed and sleep/wake patterns.

RunningDeer is running late…heading out to do fun stuff and errands. :wave:

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