Diet Coke

[Sith73]

I'm sure this topic has been discussed before, but wanted everybody's advice.

I have a loved one addicted to Diet Coke and I have tried to offer them information in how bad it is for them. Its like they refuse to listen to any information I have researched and printed out to show them.

Does anybody have any advice for my situation?

Thanks

[OBwan]

The Truth About Aspartame

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[WhiteFeather]

Let them know it causes blood disorders. I'm serious. Read below. Rather long but worth the read.

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Aspartame Causes
Blood Disorders

From Dr. Betty Martini, D. Hum
4-3-6

Aspartame (NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful, E951, Benevia, Canderel, etc.) is an excitoneurotoxic carcinogenic drug that interacts with all drugs and vaccines. http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_interacts.htm Because it's an actual chemical poison it causes polychemical sensitivity syndrome or MCS, so even if victims get off this toxin they often think they are allergic to other things, react to genetically engineered products, and synthetic sweeteners which are toxins themselves like Sucralose (Splenda) a chlorocarbon poison. http://www.wnho.net/splenda_chlorocarbon.htm These are toxic, not allergic reactions.

Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., author of Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills on aspartame and MSG, and Health & Nutrition Secrets To Save Your Life, described the toxic effects of aspartame: "Aspartame, an L aspartyl L-phenylalanine methyl ester, is composed of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, linked by methanol. Inside the gastrointestinal tract, especially in the stomach, it's broken down into its constituent components. In some instance the dipeptide is lysed within the cells of the gut. As a consequence the methanol is rapidly absorbed and distributed throughout the tissues of the body. Within the tissues, substantial amounts of methanol's two metabolic breakdown products (formaldehyde and formic acid) have been shown to accumulate in many tissues."

If ever a toxin completely defiled the body it's aspartame. Dr. Blaylock elaborated on the breakdown products of formaldehyde and formic acid, which have been shown in several important studies to be extremely toxic to tissues in very small doses. "A study by Trocho, Pardo and co-workers demonstrated following aspartame ingestion, significant amounts of formaldehyde accumulate in the tissues. Formaldehyde is known to bind strongly to proteins and nucleic acids, forming adducts that are extremely difficult to eliminate through normal metabolic pathways. In this study, they demonstrated labeled methanol (as formaldehyde) accumulated in high concentrations in the liver (50%) and in lower, but substantial, concentrations in the kidney, adipose tissue, brain and retina. Within the cell, they found large amounts located within the DNA. It was interesting to note these doses were lower than that used in toxicity studies. Previous studies have shown that very high doses of aspartame may not cause acute symptomalogy. This study indicates the damage may necessitate longer periods of time to manifest itself, and that the eventual effects can be quite deleterious."

The 1998 Trocho Study done in 1998 proved that those who consume aspartame are pre-embalmed. H. J. Roberts, M.D. in his 1038 page medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic, confirms this pre-embalming on page 675. He says: "Inferences by funeral directors about the "pre-embalming" of persons who had been heavy aspartame consumers initially evoked considerable skepticism.

"But this theme kept surfacing. One experienced undertaker literally warned his family against using diet sodas after repeatedly detecting the deposition of formaldehyde crystals deposited in the organs of such individuals. Some funeral directors even insisted on closing the caskets of persons who had consumed large amounts of aspartame because formaldehyde seeped through the skin."

Dr. Roberts said this issue has religious ramifications. Jewish law forbids embalming because it considers prompt burial a sign of respect for the deceased. He describes the carcinogenic mechanisms on page 798, the diketopiperazine aspartame derivative has been incriminated as a tumor-causing chemical. Aspartame triggered brain tumors and brain cancer in original studies, also other tumors: mammary, ovarian, pancreatic, thyroid, testicular and uterine.

Further religious ramifications: Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because Acts 15:29 says to "keep abstaining from blood" and Leviticus 17:10 prohibited eating "any sort of blood". The Jewish prohibition was carried over to the Christian congregation. So the fact that aspartame causes blood disorders is a serious one. Witnesses do not smoke since it defiles the body. Aspartame does too. Many people no longer take blood transfusions because of disease spread through the blood such as AIDS and hepatitis. Today there is an Institute of Bloodless Surgery in Norwalk, California. The late Ron Lapin, M.D. founder of this Institute was nominated for the Nobel Prize by several countries and also developed the cautery scalpel so patients would not bleed in surgery.

That Aspartame causes leukemia was proven by the Cancer Research Center of the European Foundation of Oncology and Environmental Sciences in Bologna, Italy in July. This was an impeccable three-year study on 1800 rats to evaluate the potential carcinogenic effects of aspartame. Aspartame also induced an increase in lymphomas. Dr. H. J. Roberts had written about lymphoma in an article titled: Does Aspartame Cause Human Brain Cancer? published in the Journal of Advancement in Medicine in 1991.
http://www.dorway.com/betty/brainc.txt

Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. commented: "The new study released in the European Journal of Oncology by Morando Soffritti and co-workers should terrify mothers and all those consuming aspartame sweetened products. This was a carefully done study which clearly demonstrated a statistically significant increase in several types of lymphomas and leukemias in rats. Both of these malignancies have increased significantly in this country since the widespread use of aspartame."

He said further, "This study confirmed the previous study by Dr. Trocho and co-workers, which also found the formaldehyde breakdown product of aspartame to be damaging to cellular DNA and that this damage was accumulative. This type of damage was a duplicate of that associated with cancers. Along with the most recent study, this means that drinking a single diet cola sweetened with aspartame every day could increase one's risk of developing a lymphoma or leukemia."

In this study only rats fed aspartame developed malignant brain tumors. We are taking brain tumor case histories for litigation in New York and New Jersey. These states have a three year statute of limitations.

Dr. Blaylock said children and pregnant women drink the most diet colas, so children are at the greatest risk of developing one of these horrible diseases. The study found that even low doses of aspartame cause these malignancies, yet the higher the dose, the more cancers that were seen.

It seems inconceivable the FDA would allow this deadly chemical on the market without even a warning for pregnant women. Aspartame is also an endocrine disrupting drug causing infertility, and a teratogen causing birth defects and mental retardation. Dr. James Bowen wrote that aspartame murders infants and violates the Federal genocide law.
http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_murders_infants.htm

Books by Doctors Roberts and Blaylock describe many degenerative diseases. Dr. Blaylock relates: "Aspartame has been shown by several studies to damage DNA, which can lead to cancer and degenerative brain disorders later in life. The risk of increased brain tumors in such a child would be enormous. Similar mechanisms of damage would be expected in these with liver disease. Studies on aspartame safety have shown that the product increases tumors throughout numerous organs, especially the brain. It was shown that brain tumor incidence increased over 47 times in animals exposed to aspartame."

Further, Dr. Blaylock accused: "With the public concern over childhood obesity and diabetes few are being told of the overwhelming evidence that early exposure of excitotoxins as found in aspartame consistently produce gross obesity and insulin resistant diabetes, just as we are seeing in our youth. The promoters of aspartame use have been lying from the beginning and continue to use their money and political clout to cover up the real and present dangers of this toxic product."

In a September 2005 conference in Italy Dr. Soffritti added kidney cancer and cancer of the cranial peripheral nerves to his study, and announced that aspartame is a multipotential carcinogen. This obligates the FDA to invoke the Delaney Amendment, which states a product producing cancer in animals cannot be put in food.
http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_murders_infants.htm

In the meantime, a member of Parliament, Roger Williams, has demanded a ban in the UK. On March 31 Holland Sweetener, the largest manufacturer of aspartame in Europe reported they will discontinue producing this chemical.
http://www.healthliesexposed.com/articles/article_2006_03_31_3409.shtml

Robin Goodwin, Mission Possible Falklands petitioned for a ban and wrote every resident of the Falklands to quit using aspartame. Here's his letter to the Environmental Improvement Board in New Mexico in August 2005:

"I'm writing to you directly from the Falkland Islands in the south Atlantic in support of the campaign by Mr. Steven Fox: Stephen@santafefineart.com to have aspartame removed from New Mexico. I know that while I personally do not live in New Mexico, we too are also suffering from this unnecessary poisoning of which two of my family are living proof.

"My wife suffered for many years with daily blinding headaches that nearly led her to suicide because she could not cope with the severity of the pain. Our doctors continuously misdiagnosed her problem and even though she was also having black outs and vision loss to name just a few of the problems, these doctors fed her many varied cocktails of medication and even thought she was paranoid. The real problem was not finally noticed until she tried to get a driving license. She failed because of bad eyesight, which had just been tested three days previous. So after a second test a specialist was flown in from the United Kingdom who diagnosed she was indeed suffering from a brain tumour.

"She had emergency life threatening surgery on the 10th December 2002 and a tumour of 7 centimetres in diameter was removed. We still did not fully understand why she developed this tumour then, but just recently we received an interesting piece of information from a friend who felt that our daughter who is 18 years 9 months may benefit from the information it contained, because she suffers from epilepsy.

"Our daughter has suffered severe epileptic attacks at night since she was just 3 days old. I personally have had to tend her for as many as five times a night for that whole time until I received the information on aspartame. I was stunned at which might possibly be causing these attacks, more so that our doctors for all these years had never even mentioned to me that such a possibility of food additives such as aspartame, which I had not even heard off, so decided there and then to remove all known products with aspartame from our home. There were many products containing this poison, which we were all consuming on a daily basis.

"Since we stopped the aspartame intake. Our daughter has not had a single seizure for the last 2 consecutive weeks. This is incredible and clearly demonstrates that it is the aspartame that has been causing all the problems. Because of this I have now began a serious awareness campaign on the Falkland Islands to get our Government here to legislature to have this dangerous product banned. My government is now meeting to discuss this issue and I am keenly awaiting the outcome.

"So you see even though we are some eight thousand miles away from your country aspartame is also poisoning our people There are at least 3 recorded cases of brain tumours in our tiny population of just 3,000 people. There is likely many more. Many others have died from unexplained causes. There is also a major increase in the number of cancer related illnesses. Our Falkland Islands children alone are drinking vast quantities of Diet Coke and Pepsi Cola. Both products are known to contain aspartame."

Stephen Fox petitioned the New Mexico Environmental Improvement Board and the Board of Pharmacy to ban aspartame and wrote a bill for the New Mexico legislature. A letter was submitted to Governor Bill Richardson signed by ten Senators asking for New Mexico to be declared in a state of public medical emergency. Governor Richardson can now ban aspartame in New Mexico if he chooses. Dr. H. J. Roberts met with Governor Richardson in West Palm Beach who admitted it should be banned. Aspartame violates state and federal adulteration statutes, and therefore violates interstate commerce laws. Stephen Fox has written to Heads of Nations sending them the documentary, Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World, which features physicians explaining the dangers of this poison. www.amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.

ASPARTAME AND OTHER BLOOD DISORDERS:

Dr. James Bowen wrote more about the blood disorders. "Anciently, autoimmune anemia was a mystery because auto-immunity itself was not understood. So this mysterious breakdown of blood cells, and resultant anemia, was called "Lupus Erythematosis", the red wolf of the blood, which was supposedly devouring the red blood cells and causing anemia. With the advent of immunology as a science, the immune system was recognized as the "wolf".

"Lupus Erythematosis is now often caused by aspartame, which triggers the immune system into an autoimmune status by altering the body's proteins with formaldehyde, which denatures them, and by damaging the bodies genes with agents like formaldehyde and formic acid (fire ant poison), which is a chromosomal shattering agent.

"The immune system is thus confused by the denatured proteins, and defocused because the immune system's own genetic make up is disrupted, defocusing it. The false memories induced in the immune system by the Aspartame denatured proteins are permanent, because the immune system couldn't even function without a lifelong memory.

"Aspartame engendered autoimmunity often results in CHz (Chemical Hypersensitivity disease), whereby other chemical insults that rough up any body protein, even just a little, can trigger the whole autoimmune attack. People with CHz can have violent autoimmune attacks triggered by concentrations of chemicals, which are far too low for normal people to even notice. So millions of times lower concentrations of a chemical than would be toxic to anyone else can trigger a disastrous reaction in those afflicted with CHz. You would not need to ever again be exposed to Aspartame once it engendered lupus in your body. Exposure to a large variety of autoimmune insults would ever after cause your Lupus to recur, and many other autoimmune disasters could also come your way from CHz.

"It's the very nature of CHz to defocus the immune system further and further, so a wider and wider variety of chemical/immune insults will trigger a wider and wider pattern of immune damage. What started as the blood picture of Lupus Erythematosis could go on to include diabetes, neurodegenerative disease, arthritis, and polymalgia/chronic fatigue syndrome, for example. This is typically what does happen once CHz is initiated in your body by Aspartame. In addition to an ever-wider array of chemical insults, fungal sporulations, and pollen blooms become unmitigated disasters instead of minor nuisances.

"The final metabolic end products from aspartame include formic acid and carbon monoxide. Formic acid, even in minute concentrations, also ties up the hemoglobin molecule just like cyanide and carbon monoxide do, so the hemoglobin in your red blood cells cannot pick up oxygen and carry it into your body.

"The direct chemical and metabolic effects of aspartame, also causes acidosis of the blood. Methyl alcohol poisoning from aspartame ingestion leads to severe acidosis. This terminates in multiple organ failure in the human body, with heart failure and fatal shock finally ending the life of the aspartame victim in many instances. Christina Onassis, Patty Crane, Charles Fleming whose wife, Diane is now in prison because aspartame killed her husband with typical findings of methanol poisoning, and she was blamed for it, are some well known examples. Diane Fleming's husband often played basketball and was a body builder. It is well known that athletes are at great risk of sudden cardiac death because of aspartame:
http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_msg_scd.htm

Diane Fleming can be seen in the aspartame documentary, Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World, interviewed from her Virginia prison. Several physicians have written affidavits that Charles Fleming died from aspartame after reviewing the autopsy. Diane passed a lie detector test and was the one who called the police because the physician did not know the source of the methanol. Who will help her now?

"Carol Hamm was a close friend of mine and she was also an aspartame addict. WE would play cards together several times per month. I watched her go rapidly downhill as the days passed. She would look me right in the eye as she drank her diet pop. She was conveying her thoughts, "Dr. Bowen, I know you don't think I should not be drinking this, but I am just going to satisfy my addiction anyway, come what may." What came was that a few nights later, she didn't show up for the card game.

"Her daughter, Debby asked around and found that no one had even seen her mom outside the house that day. She called the police in alarm, and said "Dr. Jim would you go over there with them?" We found Carol lying dead in bed with bloody fluid running out of her mouth. The autopsy report was "Pulmonary edema, cause unknown", just like Christina Onassis, Patty Crane and Charles Fleming. In Diane Fleming's case, the prosecutor convinced the jury Diane had to have been the one to poison her husband with methanol, because no one at the trial knew that aspartame is a highly synergized methanol poison.

"A larger appreciation of the toxicity of aspartame is needed so that it can be recognized for the poison that it is. At least you know to keep it completely away from your body. " James Bowen, M.D.

Aspartame not only has religious ramifications but racial as well. Dr. Bowen says that the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments were chickenfeed compared to boosting the Sickle Cell crisis. He says aspartame enhances the disease, and makes it more deadly and murderous! A dagger in the heart of the black race. This is how it does the deadly deed: A third of the aspartame molecule digests into wood alcohol, CH40. The alcohol next loses 2 hydrogens to be the undertakers' friend: formaldehyde. CH20! Add an oxygen and its formic acid, the venom of fire ants which can kill a person a million times larger, also known as formate! CH202. Formate is a "blister poison" that kills and runs, transferring cell-to-cell, killing as it goes, leaving blisters of dead tissue. It destroys the deformed sickle hemoglobin cells reducing the sickle cell count, but it amplifies the disease inciting a sickle cell crisis.

Read Dr. Bowen's entire report on aspartame and the sickle cell crisis titled "Murdering Blacks With Aspartame":
http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_murdering_blacks.htm

ASPARTAME AND CHILDREN:

Dr. John Olney who founded the field of neuroscience called excitotoxicity wrote to the FDA Board of Inquiry explaining how it would damage the brains of our children. The FDA agreed and revoked the manufacturer's petition for approval. It was Don Rumsfeld who said he would call in his markers and get it approved anyway. James Turner, Atty, explains in the film Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World exactly how he did it. Here is the clip:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/Rumsfeld2.html

Unfortunately, Dr. Olney's prophecy has been fulfilled as our schools are filled with children with ADD, ADHD, Tourettes and behavioral problems. Aspartame can trigger autism just as the mercury in vaccines does, and aspartame reacts with vaccines.

Schools are greatly concerned about the epidemic of obesity and diabetes. Aspartame and MSG both induce obesity. A 2005 study by Sharon Fowler of the University of Texas linked diet drinks to obesity, and we know that aspartame makes you crave carbohydrates so you gain weight. Further, the formaldehyde accumulates in the fat cells, and damages the liver so it's hard to lose weight. As diabetic specialist, H. J. Roberts writes, aspartame can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve and even interacts with insulin. Many schools do not know this. The following letter was given to the Alabama Board of Education but they left diet and aspartame soda pop in some grades:
http://www.wnho.net/alabama_boe_meeting.htm They also received the study linking diet drinks to obesity, an epidemiological study with 8 years of data.

To solve this problem the Idaho Observer which publishes the Artificially Sweetened Times, 24 page brochures on aspartame for distribution, is preparing one for schools, pediatricians and OB-GYN physicians. Aspartame has damaged a generation of children, and this effort is our project to Save The Children until the poison is completely off the market. It should be available by the end of April 2006.

We ask that this paper be distributed worldwide, especially to hematologists, pediatricians and those affected. Those with aspartame brain tumors in New York and New Jersey contact me at bettym19@mindspring.com

Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum, Founder
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097 ---- 770 242-2599

More information on aspartame on www.dorway.com and www.holisticmed.com/aspartame (Aspartame Toxicity Center) Aspartame Information List on www.wnho.net click on aspartame for recent studies and updates.

Idaho Observer for booklets for distribution on aspartame, the Artificially Sweetened Times, as well as the upcoming booklets for schools. www.idaho-observer.com

Books by Dr. H. J. Roberts, www.sunsentpress.com
Books by Dr. Russell Blaylock, www.russellblaylockmd.com

Aspartame Documentary: Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World, www.amazon.com or Barnes & Noble.

For a CD with the Board of Inquiry Report of the FDA revoking the petition for approval on aspartame, and Dr. John Olney's testimony, as well as the congressional record contact Bob Flint, Mission Possible Maine, www.greatfallspro.com

The effect of aspartame metabolites on human erythrocyte membrane acetylcholinesterase activity - New study in Greece http://www.wnho.net/new_greek_aspartame_studies.htm
The demonstration that large concentrations of aspartame can influence acetylcholine metabolism in any model is important, especially relative to brain function. It has profound implications concerning Alzheimer's Disease.


Combining Food Additives, Liverpool Study: http://www.organicconsumers.org/toxic/msg010306.cfm


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[Kryztian]

Unfortunately, you can't decide for other people what they eat, drink and smoke. You did your part and tried to educate them. It's up to them to decide when they want to act upon the information.

[Sith73]

Unfortunately, you can't decide for other people what they eat, drink and smoke. You did your part and tried to educate them. It's up to them to decide when they want to act upon the information.

Well somebody on aspartame is affected mentally as any drug does so I feel its my duty to keep trying. I'm one that doesn't give up so easily.

I'm that persistent pain in the ass.........

[grannyfranny100]

Sith73 .This sounds like a person who believes doctors. If you could find one who knows about aspartame, this person might accept the same info you tried to share. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78069-Caring-for-relatives-with-Alzheimer-s-the-modern-curse-of-the-elderly&goto=newpost

[Sith73]

Thank you grannyfranny100 I will do just that.

Thank you!

[Zionbrion]

My brother was on diet Mountain dew for pretty much his whole life, he moved out to califonia a few years ago and was on all sorts of pharmacueitcals and diet mtn dew, I gave him a bit of crap for it, but also informed him of the dangers. A few years went by, and he slowly started to awaken to the reality of the world and has now quit drinking it, and slowly got off all his prescribed meds for A.d.d./ anxiety etc...now he eats pretty clean and has an occasional hansens soda.
Basically the awakening process can be slow, but be persistent, and share articles from what they will view as a reputable source. Good luck!

[chancy]

Hello Sith73 and everyone:
I'm glad to hear you are concerned about your friend! You should be....
From personal experience and not reading all the literature on aspertame etc. I can tell you that a coke addiction is almost impossible to get over.
With the help of my father's information and my disagreement with his ideas I have to say I was wrong and he was correct!
Let me begin with my story... I began drinking diet coke as a way to keep my blood sugars at bay. Little did I realize that slowly I was getting addicted. Upto 12 -14 bottles of diet coke a day and finally realizing that I couldn't stop.....
I came across a fellow that was drinking water and juice. He told me that I should quit as soon as possible. I asked him why?
He told me that 5 years before he was drinking a dozen diet coke a day and his legs started to go limp. Within 6 months he was in a wheel chair. At the time not knowing what was happening to him his doctor decided to record everything he ate and drank everyday. You guessed it...DIET COKE.
His doctor immediately told him to quit the diet coke. Easier said than done but he eventually quit the diet coke. Within 6-8 months he could walk again.
His doctor and him did alot of research into diet coke and found that it wasn't the aspertame but the CARBONATION that was causing all of his problem.
Back to my story.....
I told my father that I was having sore legs and wasn't feeling too well most of the time. He told me that I should do a colon cleanse. I asked him what and how was this done? From what he told me I refused! After a few months of bugging me about it I finally gave in. I told him I would take 6 treatments.
To my disbelief after one treatment I no longer had a desire for diet coke or for that matter any type of pop. After all 6 treatments I have stayed pop free for over 15 years and still have no desire for pop. In fact it makes me feel sick if I see pop. Even I can't believe that the desire for pop was lost!
Please Sith73 tell your friend that his health is in jeapordy even if he doesn't know it. I didn't know mine was but sure found out the hard way.....
A note: I have researched this subject alot in the past since my story ended and discovered that pop is highly acidic. It takes 10 x's the water to flush the acidity out of your system.
If you drink one bottle of pop you need 10 bottles of water the same size as the pop you drank to flush your system of acidity. Now I know why 12 - 14 bottles of pop a day is so dangerous to the health.
chancy

[LindyLou22]

Since you ask, in my humble opinion you should mind your own business. I truly mean take a look at your own business, and mind it. Are you perfect? What's going on with you that you need to impose your judgment on your loved one? You stated your case, now sit back and respect the other person. Diet Coke might be poison for you, but that may not be true for someone else. Who knows what kind of stress is relieved by drinking soda?

You've heard of placebo effect, where the mind influences how substances react in the body. You would be the first one to suffer ill effects of diet Coke because that's what you believe. Your loved one might see it as a refreshing pick-me-up that gets him/her through the day without any ill effects.

Not that I'm defending the safety of any product or the ingredients contained in diet soda, just pointing out that you might be part of what's driving your loved one to drink.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but non-judgment is something I strive for and have a problem with, so it's fun to notice others having a problem with it, too.

[Wind]

Well, some of my loved ones are using fluoride toothpaste, drinking diet coke and smoking cigarettes. All of those are poisonous. I have tried to tell them about it, but I don't want to pressure them into making decisions. I don't feel like saying that people should be vegeterians because it's the right thing to do, I try to respect everyone with their views. I would be hypocritical otherwise. Although I see that I have been able to influence them a little and they seem to have changed their ways for the better, but the still the decision is theirs to make. It has everything the do with the state of their consciousness and awareness.

Most people could know the truths about many things, they just choose to ignore them (the red & blue pill metaphor) and I certainly don't judge them for it because I'm not saint myself, I still eat products which have sugar (although not usually the refined) and I drink coffee (small amounts) even though I know it's not good for me. I used to occasionally smoke cigars, but that was never an addiction. Haven't done that in ages although I know that I basically could do it any day... I just choose not to, because I think about health.

[Sith73]

Since you ask, in my humble opinion you should mind your own business. I truly mean take a look at your own business, and mind it. Are you perfect? What's going on with you that you need to impose your judgment on your loved one? You stated your case, now sit back and respect the other person. Diet Coke might be poison for you, but that may not be true for someone else. Who knows what kind of stress is relieved by drinking soda?

You've heard of placebo effect, where the mind influences how substances react in the body. You would be the first one to suffer ill effects of diet Coke because that's what you believe. Your loved one might see it as a refreshing pick-me-up that gets him/her through the day without any ill effects.

Not that I'm defending the safety of any product or the ingredients contained in diet soda, just pointing out that you might be part of what's driving your loved one to drink.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but non-judgment is something I strive for and have a problem with, so it's fun to notice others having a problem with it, too.


Your fine, I had asked for everybody's opinion and want to hear it. Believe me I dont get worked up over what people say. Just is very hard watching somebody poison themselves as they drink a crap load of it. I see what it is doing to them and can feel its effects. Since I love with my heart I have a hard time not getting involved cause I care and in many cases I think thats why I'm here on Tera to help others. I' have a warrior spirit and its my duty to protect others. I truly know when to back away when the other person doesn't want help. I never force my will onto others.

The food and drink we consume are Trojan Horses to our body's and people wonder why there are so many cancers and aliments. You can thank the company's who create products to hook us and keep us in their pocket so they can become wealthy. Id say we need better labeling on what people buy and consume.

[TargeT]

Unfortunately, you can't decide for other people what they eat, drink and smoke. You did your part and tried to educate them. It's up to them to decide when they want to act upon the information.

Well somebody on aspartame is affected mentally as any drug does so I feel its my duty to keep trying. I'm one that doesn't give up so easily.

I'm that persistent pain in the ass.........


When ever you try to change a belief in another it is very important for you to understand what a strongly held belief can trigger in the individual you are trying to "convince".

the first 10 min of this video explains in detail what happens physiologically and mentally when a person beliefs are challenged.

dbh5l0b2-0o

it's probably one of my favorite videos, the information is extremely dense & I have watched it probably 20+ times by now.



Well, some of my loved ones are using fluoride toothpaste, drinking diet coke and smoking cigarettes. All of those are poisonous. .

All of those are both Toxic and Healthy for you.

there are NO BLACK AND WHITES, duality is FAKE!

And, most importantly:

Toxicity is dose dependent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity) - meaning everything is good for you until you take too much of it and it becomes bad (and or eventually kills you).

best way to summarize it is this: Moderation in everything.

Oh, and as soon as you KNOW something, immediately question that topic!!! "knowledge" is the most limiting mindset possible.... a full cup can receive no more water.

[Carmody]

I'm watching it now, I think it is an excellent primer video for what we need to know about others and ourselves, when it comes to plans and actions of PTB types.

The why and the how are explicitly laid out in scientific reality within the first 10 minutes.

[Earthlink]

I had a friend who was into the 2 litre bottles of soda pop, for many decades, right up until his daughter found him on the floor one day, almost dead, and he had been there for more than a whole day, because of what it did to his liver. Now his life has been irreversibly altered. Insulin, all that.

And yeah, an honest doctor can tell you all about what that stuff does.

LindyLou22 is correct in that this type of personal intervention is something we shouldn't have to do. And, if the only ingredients in cigarettes was real paper wrapped around real tobacco leaves, the associated problems with it wouldn't exist. Neither would the problems with soda pop, if it was made from real food with real sugar too, but, it is not. There in fact is no food what so ever in soda pop any more. Chemicals and petro chemicals.

It seems the things we do to each other via the list of ingredients in products changes when it is you making something for your family and friends or it is you making something for the "general population" That's really the heart of the problem, that it is legal to **** people over like this in the first place, and that takes this discussion to a whole new level, one where mere peasants with pitch forks and torches are throwing stones and waving banners at the fortified and heavily guarded Mc Coca Cola Castle.

[MorningFox]

It contains aspartame which is literally poison. All you need do is present the proven facts about how dangerous aspartame is for the human body. If they still refuse to listen then that is their choice and there is not much else you can do. Some people, unfortunately, cannot be helped.

[pyrangello]

I know several people who were diagnosed with MS or a nervous disorder , all were compulsive diet coke drinkers, I gave up pop all together!

[Kryztian]

Well somebody on aspartame is affected mentally as any drug does so I feel its my duty to keep trying. I'm one that doesn't give up so easily.

I'm that persistent pain in the ass.........

Persistence can be counter productive. People consciously or subconsciously hold on to certain behaviors just because someone else is trying to influence them. It is a way of asserting themselves, demonstrating that they are not going to be mind controlled. For them it is not a question of "will I do want is healthy or unhealthy?" but "will I do WHAT I WANT or what that other person is trying to force me to do".

To their irrational subconscious, you aren't really giving them health advice - you are just proving how right you are and how wrong they are. The only path to freedom for them is to keep drinking Aspartame.

Save you breath, and when you finally lost all hope of convincing them, then, and only then, will they give up aspartame.

[Ikarusion]

eeew. well, unfortunately many people seem to close themselves off to negative information regarding their habits or things they think they like.
its probably easiest, as suggested for them to accept the information when it comes from an authority figure like a doctor.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/f88dd3ebf651e86b31fd74ddbf4278b5/tumblr_n1fmpaDjII1ttiny5o1_r1_400.gif

what got me though was, how long it actually took to legalize aspartam for consumption. it seemed pretty obvious that some backroom deals mustve been going on at the time.

[TargeT]

Persistence can be counter productive. People consciously or subconsciously hold on to certain behaviors just because someone else is trying to influence them. It is a way of asserting themselves, demonstrating that they are not going to be mind controlled. For them it is not a question of "will I do want is healthy or unhealthy?" but "will I do WHAT I WANT or what that other person is trying to force me to do".

To their irrational subconscious, you aren't really giving them health advice - you are just proving how right you are and how wrong they are. The only path to freedom for them is to keep drinking Aspartame.

Save you breath, and when you finally lost all hope of convincing them, then, and only then, will they give up aspartame.

This phenomenon is not only deeply described, but thoroughly explained in the first 10 min of the video I posted above ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o ). It's a function of literally "hard wired" instinct & over coming it is neigh impossible.

the phrase: " you can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink" fits this phenomenon perfectly IMO... (well, maybe it would fit it more if it had something about the horse getting pissed off that you were trying to give it water....)


eeew. well, unfortunately many people seem to close themselves off to negative information regarding their habits or things they think they like.
its probably easiest, as suggested for them to accept the information when it comes from an authority figure like a doctor.


Hmm, is it ok to use the tools of the dark side for good?


what you speak of here is the Logical Fallacy called "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority); I would not use this to manipulate anyone I considered friend, even if they had no clue what logical fallacies are or what critical thinking is/entails.

[Ikarusion]

its an easy natural phenomena: resistance creates more resistance.
http://choosetoprosper.com/zimmerman_law_universe.html

so how bout you get your friend hooked on some healthy alternatives like fresh organic juices or so?

i actually started to drink water and tea only for months and after that every soft drink tasted aggressive (bubbles),over sweetened and for example cola: simply disgusting.

years later, now im a little less extreme, still drink mainly water and tea though.
coke is still garbage, but i found inca kola, from peru to be actually a tasty soft drink. :)

[Wind]

All of those are both Toxic and Healthy for you.

there are NO BLACK AND WHITES, duality is FAKE!

I get your point, although I have to say that I disagree. I don't think that fluoride or diet coke can be beneficial to you in any way. When it comes to tobaccos, some herb tobaccos might be more better for you than the crap the big cigarette companies are producing and filling the cigarettes with all kinds of additives. I do somewhat subscribe to the notion of everything in moderation, although some things are just only harmful to you. You can't moderately eat lead, it will kill you. When it comes to those less poisonous things, they will only slowly poison you.

Of course if you use products such as cigarettes rarely or occasionally, it is possible that your body is able to flush out the toxins and the natural homeostasis remains.

My mother has smoked cigarettes most of her life, I would like her not to do that because I don't want her to die from it, but of course I know that death is inevitable anyways and I haven't been able to change her mind. Although I have tried to persuade her to use additive-free tobacco or at least e-cigs, but no luck so far.

And to my brother I have tried to tell that don't dring that diet crap, it will harm you. He says that he doesn't want the sugar which is bad for you, but I think that the aspartame is even worse for you. Or fluoride, it calcifies your pineal gland.

[Earthlink]

"You can lead a Human to knowledge but you cannot make it think"

[3(C)+me]

I have noticed my diet has changed very much once I figured out what was really going on. I used to love diet coke but it just fell away and like you Ikrarusion only drink tea and water with some pure juice in my morning smoothie. I cut out the fluoride in my toothpaste but this has been a gradual thing for me this diet change. I think if I had to cut out all the things I know were not good for my body at one take it would have been way to overwhelming for me. I finally cut out wheat and corn and that was a biggie for me as wheat was one of my many food addictions (it was probably created just for that purpose along with messing with the system). I don't have much of a yearning for cokes now even the cokes that are organic with no chemicals I find tea suits my needs for now.

[Ikarusion]

what you speak of here is the Logical Fallacy called "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority); I would not use this to manipulate anyone I considered friend, even if they had no clue what logical fallacies are or what critical thinking is/entails.
what i meant was, that if i had such a friend that is deaf to me, but all ears to authority, then yes, i would probably point that friend to a authority figure that supports my benevolent point of view.

but do as though wilt. naturally.

[Ikarusion]

My mother has smoked cigarettes most of her life, I would like her not to do that because I don't want her to die from it, but of course I know that death is inevitable anyways and I haven't been able to change her mind. Although I have tried to persuade her to use additive-free tobacco or at least e-cigs, but no luck so far.

there is NO LIFE AND DEATH, physical reality is FAKE! >:3

why doesnt ur mom wanna switch brands? seems sensible enough. and i too think that sugar does less harm. and if u work physically after consumption u dont have to worry about gaining weight either.
ou, and btw, if i remember correctly, before we consumed it, aspartam was used to makes pigs and other animals fatter quicker: http://drleonardcoldwell.com/2012/11/21/study-aspartame-saccharin-cause-greater-weight-gain-than-sugar/

so yes, there's definitly more negative reactions to aspartame then sugar, i firmly believe.

[TargeT]

All of those are both Toxic and Healthy for you.

there are NO BLACK AND WHITES, duality is FAKE!

I get your point, although I have to say that I disagree. I don't think that fluoride or diet coke can be beneficial to you in any way. When it comes to tobaccos, some herb tobaccos might be more better for you than the crap the big cigarette companies are producing and filling the cigarettes with all kinds of additives. I do somewhat subscribe to the notion of everything in moderation, although some things are just only harmful to you. You can't moderately eat lead, it will kill you. When it comes to those less poisonous things, they will only slowly poison you.

Of course if you use products such as cigarettes rarely or occasionally, it is possible that your body is able to flush out the toxins and the natural homeostasis remains.

My mother has smoked cigarettes most of her life, I would like her not to do that because I don't want her to die from it, but of course I know that death is inevitable anyways and I haven't been able to change her mind. Although I have tried to persuade her to use additive-free tobacco or at least e-cigs, but no luck so far.

And to my brother I have tried to tell that don't dring that diet crap, it will harm you. He says that he doesn't want the sugar which is bad for you, but I think that the aspartame is even worse for you. Or fluoride, it calcifies your pineal gland.


Just for clarification:

Hormesis works because what ever substance you are using IS a stress on your body.


Hormesis is like dietary exercise. When exercising you gain muscle by ripping and tearing your current muscle mass so it rebuilds stronger (stress it, and let it repair) this is how ALL our systems work : the correct levels of stress make you better, or MUCH better, the lack of stress makes you worse, or MUCH worse (ie: no exersize, no eating lead, no exposure to radiation is actually FAR WORSE for you than low level exposure).

so when I say "a small amount of XXXX is good for you" what is REALLY meant is this: in order for your bodies systems to continue to work functionally you MUST use those systems, if your immune system is meant to fight off diseases then you MUST let it fight off disease in order to keep it functioning correctly, muscles are meant to strain and move weight; you MUST strain them and move weight for them to work properly.

etc..

hopefully that's a bit clearer ;)

Hormesis is not just about moderation, it's about understanding the system holistically.



I cut out the fluoride in my toothpaste

how about this question:

Why are you brushing your teeth (what is the functional purpose, do you "know")?

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?

:madgrin:

[raregem]

I also printed and shared the aspartame info. I was ignored.

[Wind]

Hormesis is like dietary exercise. When exercising you gain muscle by ripping and tearing your current muscle mass so it rebuilds stronger (stress it, and let it repair) this is how ALL our systems work : the correct levels of stress make you better, or MUCH better, the lack of stress makes you worse, or MUCH worse (ie: no exersize, no eating lead, no exposure to radiation is actually FAR WORSE for you than low level exposure).

I understand. I just think that at least us westerners are already overloaded with several different unhealthy stress factors to begin with which overburden our bodies and minds, then add all that chemical crap (also things like vaccines and antibiotics) to it and voilà, the cocktail for imbalance is ready to be served. We shouldn't add to that stress (I'm not talking about healthy stress) by consuming certain things or putting crap into our minds. We may do that for a while, but one day that system will start to break down. Either the mind or the body, maybe both. The human energy system can take only so much, our immune systems have already enough work to do. Yes, we must use different kind of excercises (http://www.highexistence.com/the-wim-hof-method-revealed-how-to-consciously-control-your-immune-system/) (mental and physical) to make ourselves stronger. Immunotherapy is a familiar concept to me.

[MorningFox]

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?


What else in nature showers every day, or shaves, or treats wounds with antiseptic... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Bizarre argument.

[Earthlink]

"One time a thing occurred to me, what's real and what's for sale. Blew a kiss and tried to take it home."

In any event, that Mc Coca Cola Castle and all the others involved in making "non-perishable food items" is daunting, to say the very least, yet it is the place we would need to raise to the ground in order to stop this kind of behaviour at it's source.

Seriously.

I'm not even seriously considering raising that place, just thinking about it is frightening.

[Finefeather]

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?


What else in nature showers every day, or shaves, or treats wounds with antiseptic... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Bizarre argument.
Actually there are many animals who bathe...clean themselves...and use herbs when they are ill...and did you know that cats actually dig a hole and bury their sh*t?
So the argument is not that bizarre...you just need to pay a little more attention to nature :)

[MorningFox]

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?


What else in nature showers every day, or shaves, or treats wounds with antiseptic... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Bizarre argument.
Actually there are many animals who bathe...clean themselves...and use herbs when they are ill...and did you know that cats actually dig a hole and bury their sh*t?
So the argument is not that bizarre...you just need to pay a little more attention to nature :)

Haha, you've completely missed the point. You're defending my argument with that response! Regardless, I wish you a good day :)

[EdithGibbs]

Yes, some back deals were made. The company made Donald Rumsfeld their CEO. The company at that time was Searle Pharmaceuticals. I saw Rumsfeld giving a press conference or an interview on TV at the time. He said he would call every favor, not the exact word, but close, to get this thing approved. I wondered at the time,
1. Why a person involved with the DoD would get the job of CEO of a pharmaceutical company, and 2. Why so passionate about a food additive. Within weeks Aspartame was approved by the FDA.

Of course I get it now, it was an actual weapon.

[Wind]

That's not suprirising considering the fact that Donald Rumsfeld is the exact opposite of an empath, a psychopath.

[3(C)+me]

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?


What else in nature showers every day, or shaves, or treats wounds with antiseptic... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Bizarre argument.
So the argument is not that bizarre...you just need to pay a little more attention to nature

We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. No we didn't brush teeth in the old days but why would I want to walk to San Francisco when I can use my car? Some modern conveniences are worth keeping, brushing the teeth is one of them, bathing is another, your partner will thank you for it. But other things THEY want you not to live without can be for nefarious reasons. Let's be reasonable.

[Sith73]

Donald Rumsfeld is a Draco incarnated as a human. Hes had sinister plans for us sheeple for some time.

[LindyLou22]

People here are making a lot of assumptions about causality. Someone drank coke and had a bad liver, therefore the coke caused the bad liver. Just does not necessarily follow.

The body can deal with a lot of poison, otherwise we'd all be dead including the people who try to take care of themselves. The codex alimentarius crowd has bombarded me for 60 years with fluoride; BPA; hormones; weather modification/chemtrails; aluminum in food; mercury in fish, my teeth, my flu shots, and now in my lightbulbs. And that's just the few things I can think of off the top of my head.

Many of us seek out information so that we may have some degree of control over the poisons that are permeating every aspect of our lives at this time. We avoid what we can. We chelate what we can. We purge what we can.

The bigger point is that when one has an overwhelming desire to control another -- no matter how altruistic it may seem -- isn't is usually to overcompensate for some weakness within the self? Look inside and see yourself.

It's like Jesus joking around that you're worried about a sliver in someone's eye when you've got a friggin beam in your own.

[3(C)+me]

People here are making a lot of assumptions about causality. Someone drank coke and had a bad liver, therefore the coke caused the bad liver. Just does not necessarily follow.

The body can deal with a lot of poison, otherwise we'd all be dead including the people who try to take care of themselves. The codex alimentarius crowd has bombarded me for 60 years with fluoride; BPA; hormones; weather modification/chemtrails; aluminum in food; mercury in fish, my teeth, my flu shots, and now in my lightbulbs. And that's just the few things I can think of off the top of my head.

Many of us seek out information so that we may have some degree of control over the poisons that are permeating every aspect of our lives at this time. We avoid what we can. We chelate what we can. We purge what we can.

The bigger point is that when one has an overwhelming desire to control another -- no matter how altruistic it may seem -- isn't is usually to overcompensate for some weakness within the self? Look inside and see yourself.

It's like Jesus joking around that you're worried about a sliver in someone's eye when you've got a friggin beam in your own.

I pretty much agree with most of what you have said, the body can take a lot but if a person is eating frankenfoods, have negative, worrisome thinking and in fear all the time it will at some point it is going to land in the body, let's not forget addictions of all kinds.
I think when people start to see what really going on some go through a phase of trying to wake people up or commet on the poisons they are taking. I see this as a phase but hopefully it does not last long because some people no matter how much you lecture them are not going to give up some of their bad habits. It some point the person realizes they are here to change themselves not change others and thinking they can is just a fantasy.

[Ahnung-quay]

I would like to thank Whitefeather and all other posters for the information and links regarding aspartame.

I am a Registered Dietitian. During my training in the 1980's. Searle sent all college dietetics programs informational materials and samples of their product Equal. It was promoted as a substitute for sugar which would be especially beneficial for diabetics as it would allow them to have carbohydrate-free sweet tasting foods and beverages.

Having had two years of chemistry and biochemistry, when I read through the literature, I knew that this was not something that I would be eating or promoting. The very reason that I had chosen dietetics as a career path was to be able to educate and help people with eating a health promoting, wholesome diet. Eating non-natural substances just seemed wrong and it still seems wrong to me.

I didn't realize at the time that the American Dietetic Association, as it was called at the time, was partnering with Searle and other drug companies as they did with the food industry corporations in order to get funding from them. As time went on, funding sources became more and more questionable. The National Association of Nutritional Professionals, as it is now called, now takes handouts from Coca Cola among others. I remained a Registered Dietitian all of these years only to be able to retain a job as I could not afford to go back to school for something else. But, I have never agreed with the funding policies of my association. Once corporate money is taken, the health message gets pretty watered down.

Personally, I remember when a Coke was a treat drank maybe once per week at most. I still do have Coke maybe once or twice per month because I like the taste of it but, I buy Coke that has been bottled for Mexico. The ingredients are carbonated water, sugar, caramel color, phosphoric acid, natural flavors, caffeine. They are sold in 12 ounce glass bottles. They can be purchased in grocery stores, Family Dollar stores, and Amazon (and probably other ones I'm not aware of). 150 calories and 39 gm carbohydrate in the form of sucrose. I tastes like Coke used to taste.

Like I said, a few times per month as a treat. Soda, sweetened or diet, should never have been meant to drink all day long as a replacement for water.

I also like the Mexican Cokes because they are still bottled in glass bottles. Don't even get me started on the use of plastic packaging and how bad that is for us and the planet! I don't buy anything packaged in plastic if I can avoid it.

[MorningFox]

Does this seem like a "natural" function? what else in nature brushes it's teeth?


What else in nature showers every day, or shaves, or treats wounds with antiseptic... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Bizarre argument.
So the argument is not that bizarre...you just need to pay a little more attention to nature

We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. No we didn't brush teeth in the old days but why would I want to walk to San Francisco when I can use my car? Some modern conveniences are worth keeping, brushing the teeth is one of them, bathing is another, your partner will thank you for it. But other things THEY want you not to live without can be for nefarious reasons. Let's be reasonable.

You've also misunderstood and totally missed my point, haha.

Telling me to pay more attention to nature :rolleyes:
Some of you are impossible.

[LindyLou22]

Cccme, here I'm answering the original question, which is what we think Sith73 should do about his situation. My answer was to avoid imposing one's judgment on another human.

I'm not arguing merits and cons of various ways we have to poison ourselves. For pete sakes, even spinach has oxalic acid. I'm arguing one's judgment being imposed on others, control of others. You are still thinking you have superior knowledge. While it may work for yourself because of your personal belief system, I say that could very well be a crock when it comes to another human being.

[Ahnung-quay]

As a post script to my post above, R.D.'s are now telling diabetic patients that they can have some sucrose in their diets if they count the carbohydrate grams like other carbohydrates. So, we don't even encourage the use of aspartame or other non-natural sweeteners anymore.

Maybe the association members who know what "healthy" means found a way around the drug company?

[Ikarusion]

... or designs plumbing to conveniently take away it's own sh*t.... ?

Telling me to pay more attention to nature :rolleyes:
Some of you are impossible.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-LZxhXlNXY/SZJUSrfWDnI/AAAAAAAAJFc/csIQl9ToG8M/s400/animal-humor.jpg
i think you need to pay more attention to nature, my friend. :meeting:

[johnh]

Aspartame goes quite well with chem trails. Those wily reptilians do know how to make an elaborate cocktail.

[Guish]

Well, some of my loved ones are using fluoride toothpaste, drinking diet coke and smoking cigarettes. All of those are poisonous. I have tried to tell them about it, but I don't want to pressure them into making decisions. I don't feel like saying that people should be vegeterians because it's the right thing to do, I try to respect everyone with their views. I would be hypocritical otherwise. Although I see that I have been able to influence them a little and they seem to have changed their ways for the better, but the still the decision is theirs to make. It has everything the do with the state of their consciousness and awareness.

Most people could know the truths about many things, they just choose to ignore them (the red & blue pill metaphor) and I certainly don't judge them for it because I'm not saint myself, I still eat products which have sugar (although not usually the refined) and I drink coffee (small amounts) even though I know it's not good for me. I used to occasionally smoke cigars, but that was never an addiction. Haven't done that in ages although I know that I basically could do it any day... I just choose not to, because I think about health.

Hi Wind,

What do you use instead of Fluoride toothpaste?

[Wind]

Hi Wind,

What do you use instead of Fluoride toothpaste?

Hi Guish,

I always disliked the horrible taste of fluoride toothpaste, until I eventually discovered that it was bad for me.

For years I have used a certain local brand's toothpaste which is made from organic herbs, oils and there is also xylitol, sea salt and soda. You can also make your own toothpaste from simple ingredients, I'm sure we have had thread about this subject here, maybe someone knows the link to them.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029140_toothpaste_fluoride.html

Soon after I stoppend using non fluoride toothpaste I was gradually awakened and my third eye opened eventually too. No more calcified pineal gland (unactive third eye).

I also started to use organic shampoo's and soaps since I don't want any more toxic ingredients in my body.

VIwt0i-5BWw

[Ikarusion]

What do you use instead of Fluoride toothpaste?
there seem to be more and more alternatives. im currently using earth paste: http://www.earthpaste.com/downloads/
the main thing youll find and may not like, these pastes dont foam and are therefore a little harder to spread evenly.
however thats the only thing i found a bit disturbing.

here's a recipe to make your own: http://besttoothpaste.net/

[Guish]

Hi Wind,

What do you use instead of Fluoride toothpaste?

Hi Guish,

I always disliked the horrible taste of fluoride toothpaste, until I eventually discovered that it was bad for me.

For years I have used a certain local brand's toothpaste which is made from organic herbs, oils and there is also xylitol, sea salt and soda. You can also make your own toothpaste from simple ingredients, I'm sure we have had thread about this subject here, maybe someone knows the link to them.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029140_toothpaste_fluoride.html

Soon after I stoppend using non fluoride toothpaste I was gradually awakened and my third eye opened eventually too. No more calcified pineal gland (unactive third eye).

I also started to use organic shampoo's and soaps since I don't want any more toxic ingredients in my body.

VIwt0i-5BWw

You've been very humble about your awakening, my Friend. Sid is going to use toothpaste for the first time and I'm looking into this seriously. Thank you very much. Even the Herbal paste in the market have Fluoride in it. I'll surely find what I need.

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What do you use instead of Fluoride toothpaste?
there seem to be more and more alternatives. im currently using earth paste: http://www.earthpaste.com/downloads/
the main thing youll find and may not like, these pastes dont foam and are therefore a little harder to spread evenly.
however thats the only thing i found a bit disturbing.

here's a recipe to make your own: http://besttoothpaste.net/

Point noted my dear Friend.

[Earthlink]

I use Baking Soda as toothpaste, and if I lived near any Ocean, I'd just use straight salt water from the Ocean ... I would

[Elainie]

I grew up using natural toothpastes and such- back then the brands were of course different (everything from Dentie to Dolomite to Peelu sticks). Over the years I tried products such as Tooth Soap, Eco Dent, , homemade clay pastes etc; then started using baking soda and peppermint oil. What works best for me is just straight peppermint oil put on the brush attachment of a waterpik. Oh yeah, I went through all the various tooth appliances too, from Braun to Sonicare to oral blotting brushes. Again I found the combo I use to clean my teeth ,gums like nothing else I used prior.

Edited to add- I have tried turmeric too as a tooth powder and didn't care for it but I have read of many who like that.

[Guish]

I got this from an ayurvedic shop. The taste is much better.

http://www.daburinternational.com/index.php/en/front/thirdsubcategory/15/21/95/Fresh%20Gel

[OBwan]

Sith73,

On June 6, 2006 (06-06-06), I was cleaning house and listening to a talk show on the radio. The topic was 666, the number that is related to the Christian image of the devil. The host asked, “Is this day significant in your life?” The calls during the day were mostly about the negative beliefs associated with the number, and activities such as thousands of people being in prayer, throughout the day. The reality of the host was challenged when I told him, “For me, it is a day to acknowledge the negativity that has occurred in my life.” I also explained how I appreciate the negativity and that I have an understanding of how this has made me a more loving person.

Some of the words that I found in this post are duty, judgment and control which can have a fear based perspective.

• Are you judging an “aspartame death” as bad? If you are judging this, chances are you have an associated fear. My fear associated with this substance was for my loved ones. As I thought about the future and seeing my children with health problems elicited fearful thoughts.

• Duty is defined as an actor a course of action that is required of one by position, social custom, law or religion. It is the compulsion felt to meet obligations. Many times this is caused by fear based teaching.

• Control is defined as to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command. Many times control is based upon fear.

A Course in Miracles teaches that only two thought types exist, Fear and Love. All emotional definitions are a subset of these two types. Frustration, pessimism, and anger fall under the heading of Fear. Joy, optimism, patience, and gratitude are in the Love category.

For me, I have found that when I remove/transmute the fear associated with a given topic, I am more of a resource to another. Seeing the situation from a non-fearing perspective are the messages of a number of posts.

How to remove fearful thoughts has been a study of mine for a number of years. The following link will point to a process I created to remove fear.

Be In Peace,
OBwan

---- How to Remove Fearful Memories ----

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76245-How-to-Remove-Fearful-Feeling-from-Past-Memories&p=891736#post891736

[pyrangello]

Here's a letter I sent in to the newspaper that just got printed yesterday . The issue of fluoride came up because the city wants to add more fluoride, One dentist said it would make sense because of the high cavity rate around here. It is estimated that by drinking fluoride you receive a coating of 1/6 of a nanometer on your teeth, the means you would need 10,000 time that quantity to equal the thickness of a hair.Will see what happens at the city counsel meeting coming up. TOMS of Maine is a good non fluoride toothpaste, carried at rite aid stores.

Say NO TO Flouride
Instead of blaming the cause of dental problems on the lack of fluoride, maybe a redirected focus on the causes of tooth decay should be the high use of refined sugar, or stand a gas station store in the morning and watch the soda pop and monster drinks fly out of there for breakfast each day or poor dental hygiene, mineral deficiencies, or the high cost for dental services vs. income of the patient? Dental cavities are not caused the lack of fluoride, just as depression is not caused by the lack of Prozac!

Government agencies (HHS) Health and Human Services & (EPA) Environmental Protection Agency both recommend certain fluoride dosage rates to be added to our water intake for us to drink and swallow and consume on a daily basis. Yet listed on the back of every tube of toothpaste containing fluoride it says as follows:” DO NOT SWALLOW- If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a poison control center right away”. And then there is the (FDA) Food and Drug administration classification for fluoride as an “unapproved drug”. So the FDA won’t approve of fluoride use, toothpaste manufactures say don’t swallow the fluoride and the EPA & HHS recommend drinking fluoride on a daily basis????

Fluoride use started as early as 1850 in the iron and copper industries in Europe and it developed it share of problems to crops, livestock and people even back then , fast forward to the 1930’s to 1940’s and the creation of the U.S. atomic bomb . Fluoride was the key chemical in the atomic bomb and millions of tons of fluoride were essential for the manufacture of bomb grade uranium and plutonium. Then Fluoride made the jump to being a key ingredient to create rat and bug poison, then used in industries for the production of metals, agricultural fertilizers, plastics, gasoline, brick & cement. That is until there needed to be a new spin put on this product to squash any future litigation in the form of lawsuits for harm to person, plant or animal. Thus adding it to the water for our own safety was born and sold to the American people, and for the good of children’s teeth.
Since 2009 about 130 communities have stopped water fluoridation. Canada has dropped from about 60 % to 32% of consumption. Australia, Israel, New Zealand have made reductions too. Last May of 2014, Boyne City, Michigan city commissioners voted to end more than 40 years of fluoridation for the town’s 4000 residents. Recent studies of fluoride use found that low levels may increase the risk of hip fracture in the elderly. Another study concluded” Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain”. Say NO to fluoridation.

[MorningFox]

Here's a letter I sent in to the newspaper that just got printed yesterday . The issue of fluoride came up because the city wants to add more fluoride, One dentist said it would make sense because of the high cavity rate around here. It is estimated that by drinking fluoride you receive a coating of 1/6 of a nanometer on your teeth, the means you would need 10,000 time that quantity to equal the thickness of a hair.Will see what happens at the city counsel meeting coming up. TOMS of Maine is a good non fluoride toothpaste, carried at rite aid stores.


Does he also suggest drinking shampoo to keep our hair shiny? Or how about eating deodorant so that our pits don't smell?

The argument for fluoride in drinking water is utterly redundant to anyone with even one brain cell.

[Elainie]

Here's a letter I sent in to the newspaper that just got printed yesterday . The issue of fluoride came up because the city wants to add more fluoride, One dentist said it would make sense because of the high cavity rate around here. It is estimated that by drinking fluoride you receive a coating of 1/6 of a nanometer on your teeth, the means you would need 10,000 time that quantity to equal the thickness of a hair.Will see what happens at the city counsel meeting coming up. TOMS of Maine is a good non fluoride toothpaste, carried at rite aid stores.


Does he also suggest drinking shampoo to keep our hair shiny? Or how about eating deodorant so that our pits don't smell?

The argument for fluoride in drinking water is utterly redundant to anyone with even one brain cell.




My dentist (a biological one) says the ADA is worse than the AMA. If you have a dentist telling you fluoride makes sense, it's time to run and not look back. Find yourself a good biological dentist.

[Flash]

Here's a letter I sent in to the newspaper that just got printed yesterday . The issue of fluoride came up because the city wants to add more fluoride, One dentist said it would make sense because of the high cavity rate around here. It is estimated that by drinking fluoride you receive a coating of 1/6 of a nanometer on your teeth, the means you would need 10,000 time that quantity to equal the thickness of a hair.Will see what happens at the city counsel meeting coming up. TOMS of Maine is a good non fluoride toothpaste, carried at rite aid stores.


Does he also suggest drinking shampoo to keep our hair shiny? Or how about eating deodorant so that our pits don't smell?

The argument for fluoride in drinking water is utterly redundant to anyone with even one brain cell.




My dentist (a biological one) says the ADA is worse than the AMA. If you have a dentist telling you fluoride makes sense, it's time to run and not look back. Find yourself a good biological dentist.

Which I finally did, find a good biological dentist, after the regular dentist spayed fluoride in my daughter mouth 3 times when it was written on her file not to do it (I had told him not to do it because of her neurological impairments) and after she turned into the age he did not have to have my permission, he pushed and pushed on her to have the fluoride spray, laughing at her when she vehemently refused - she came back home crying.

That was it, definitely gone we were.

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As for aspartame and diet anything, I knew right from its creation that it was absolute poison and I knew what was happening in the stomach when the molecules split apart, one member of my family being a dietitist. The mot d'ordre was DO NOT TOUCH, DRINK, EAT ASPARTAME EVER.

I was also informed of the chemical process to whiten cheese - the white cheese you eat - cheddar and others - should come out with a greyish color if the natural fermentation processes of less quality milk was respected, but nobody would buy greyish cheese. So it is whitened with a terribly toxic chemical. And traces of it remains in the cheese even after many wash. Do not eat white cheese. The best one are those orange cheddar cheese for example colored with natural oranges extracts, etc. It seems that the orange colorant in less quality cheese is yet better than this awful whitening chemical (and we know how much health problems colorants, mostly the red and yellow ones, create).

[pyrangello]

They started a study in 1946 here in Michigan ,it was suppose to last 15 years , then in 1947 they had 87 more cities sign onto fluoridation of their water in the US , in 3 -4 years time they scrapped the study in Michigan and never did anything with it. This whole thing started with a chemical plant in new jersey producing fluoride for the bomb, they had an explosion at the plant and this stuff went airborne, the peach trees were ruined down hill of the plant, after an all night thunderstorm all the chickens had died, cows had to crawl on their bellies to graze, and farmers got sick. So a suit was filed after the war and that's when the spin started to squash any liability, thus lets say its safe for kids teeth. The appointee to be the guy to promote safety was an attorney appointed to a government position from the aluminum industry. What a concept ! Never trusted attorneys anyway. Just like Danny Diveto says in the movie war and the roses "What do you call 1000 attorneys at the bottom of the ocean, a good start".

[Guish]

Here's a letter I sent in to the newspaper that just got printed yesterday . The issue of fluoride came up because the city wants to add more fluoride, One dentist said it would make sense because of the high cavity rate around here. It is estimated that by drinking fluoride you receive a coating of 1/6 of a nanometer on your teeth, the means you would need 10,000 time that quantity to equal the thickness of a hair.Will see what happens at the city counsel meeting coming up. TOMS of Maine is a good non fluoride toothpaste, carried at rite aid stores.



Does he also suggest drinking shampoo to keep our hair shiny? Or how about eating deodorant so that our pits don't smell?

The argument for fluoride in drinking water is utterly redundant to anyone with even one brain cell.




My dentist (a biological one) says the ADA is worse than the AMA. If you have a dentist telling you fluoride makes sense, it's time to run and not look back. Find yourself a good biological dentist.

A doctor from a biological Pharmacy told my mum that Fluoride is essential to kill germs. The poor soul went to buy a Fluoride free toothpaste.

[Sith73]

Hello to everybody,

I wanted to chime in and tell everybody thank you for your comments. I liked how we went from Diet Coke to Fluoride....lol no worries and enjoying reading your post.

I have come to conclusion to not worry about the Diet Coke issue. Every soul has to figure out things for themselves no matter how bad it is for them. I'm not controlling, but was concerned. My concern was out of love since this is my better half and I have done my part by trying to help educate her. Shes an adult and she sees and comprehends things in her own way. I haven't said a word and not going to. I'm respecting her decision and letting the subject go until she decides to talk about it which I doubt.

Sometimes it takes something drastic in order for somebody to wake up.

Thank you again and I love you all!!!!!

[Bluegreen]

Aren't we forgetting that it tastes like ****?

[Carmody]

Aren't we forgetting that it tastes like sh*t?

I don't remember what it tastes like, it's been that long.