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lucidity
6th March 2015, 08:55
Hello Siblings,

This is worth the few minutes it will take you to read this.



75 Years In The Making: Harvard Just Released Its Epic Study On What Men Need To Live A Happy Life

In 1938 Harvard University began following 268 male undergraduate students and kicked off the longest-running longitudinal studies of human development in history. The study’s goal was to determine as best as possible what factors contribute most strongly to human flourishing. The astonishing range of psychological, anthropological, and physical traits — ranging from personality type to IQ to drinking habits to family relationships to “hanging length of his scrotum” — indicates just how exhaustive and quantifiable the research data has become. Recently, George Vaillant, who directed the study for more than three decades, published the study’s findings in the 2012 book Triumphs of Experience (Amazon) and the following is the book’s synopsis:

“At a time when many people around the world are living into their tenth decade, the longest longitudinal study of human development ever undertaken offers some welcome news for the new old age: our lives continue to evolve in our later years, and often become more fulfilling than before. Begun in 1938, the Grant Study of Adult Development charted the physical and emotional health of over 200 men, starting with their undergraduate days. The now-classic ‘Adaptation to Life’ reported on the men’s lives up to age 55 and helped us understand adult maturation. Now George Vaillant follows the men into their nineties, documenting for the first time what it is like to flourish far beyond conventional retirement. Reporting on all aspects of male life, including relationships, politics and religion, coping strategies, and alcohol use (its abuse being by far the greatest disruptor of health and happiness for the study’s subjects), ‘Triumphs of Experience’ shares a number of surprising findings. For example, the people who do well in old age did not necessarily do so well in midlife, and vice versa. While the study confirms that recovery from a lousy childhood is possible, memories of a happy childhood are a lifelong source of strength. Marriages bring much more contentment after age 70, and physical aging after 80 is determined less by heredity than by habits formed prior to age 50. The credit for growing old with grace and vitality, it seems, goes more to ourselves than to our stellar genetic makeup.”

As you can imagine, the study’s discoveries are bountiful, but the most significant finding of all is that “Alcoholism is a disorder of great destructive power.” In fact, alcoholism is the single strongest cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives. Alcoholism was also found to be strongly coupled with neurosis and depression (which most often follows alcohol abuse, rather than preceding it). Together with cigarette smoking, alcoholism proves to be the #1 greatest cause of morbidity and death. And above a certain level, intelligence doesn’t prevent the damage.

With regards to income, there was no noticeable difference in maximum income earned by men with IQs in the 110-115 range vs. men with IQs above 150. With regards to sex lives, one of the most fascinating discoveries is that aging liberals have way more sex. Political ideology had no bearing on overall life satisfaction, but the most conservative men on average shut down their sex lives around age 68, while the most liberal men had healthy sex lives well into their 80s. Vaillant writes, “I have consulted urologists about this, they have no idea why it might be so.”

In Triumphs of Experience, Vaillant raises a number of factors more often than others, but the one he refers to most often is the powerful correlation between the warmth of your relationships and your health and happiness in your later years. In 2009, Vaillant’s insistance on the importance of this part of the data was challenged, so Vaillant returned to the data to be sure the finding merited such important focus. Not only did Vaillant discover that his focus on warm relationships was warranted, he placed even more importance on this factor than he had previously. Vallant notes that the 58 men who scored highest on the measurements of “warm relationships” (WR) earned an average of $141,000 a year more during their peak salaries (between ages 55-60) than the 31 men who scored the lowest in WR. The high WR scorers were also 3-times more likely to have professional success worthy of inclusion in Who’s Who.

One of the most intriguing discoveries of the Grant Study was how significant men’s relationships with their mothers are in determining their well-being in life. For instance, Business Insider writes: “Men who had ‘warm’ childhood relationships with their mothers took home $87,000 more per year than men whose mothers were uncaring. Men who had poor childhood relationships with their mothers were much more likely to develop dementia when old. Late in their professional lives, the men’s boyhood relationships with their mothers — but not their fathers — were associated with effectiveness at work. On the other hand, warm childhood relations with fathers correlated with lower rates of adult anxiety, greater enjoyment on vacations, and increased ‘life satisfaction’ at age 75 — whereas the warmth of childhood relationships with mothers had no significant bearing on life satisfaction at 75.”

In Vallant’s own words, the #1 most important finding from the Grant Study is this: “The seventy-five years and twenty million dollars expended on the Grant Study points to a straightforward five-word conclusion: Happiness is love. Full stop.” You can purchase your own copy of Triumphs of Experience by visiting Amazon.


be happy ... or, as Spock might say... live long and prosper.

lucidity :-)

joeecho
6th March 2015, 10:34
be happy ... or, as Spock might say... live long and prosper.

lucidity :-)


Political ideology had no bearing on overall life satisfaction, but the most conservative men on average shut down their sex lives around age 68, while the most liberal men had healthy sex lives well into their 80s.

and....

Have liberal sex....

:P


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grannyfranny100
6th March 2015, 16:34
Hardly a longitudinal study about average men since they were all Harvard students.
They should call this What ELITE men need to live a happy life."

rgray222
6th March 2015, 19:17
You have to remember that Harvard and many other elite universities have been out of the education business for decades. Harvard provides and indoctrination not an education. I say that with no malice and no politics. It is simply the way it is.

Flash
6th March 2015, 20:50
Hardly a longitudinal study about average men since they were all Harvard students.
They should call this What ELITE men need to live a happy life."

And I Wonder if the wife number 1, 2 and 3 were happy and lived longer too? It is most probably inversely proportional between men happiness and spouse happiness if all attention was given to their husband happiness and career.

Bluegreen
6th March 2015, 21:38
You have to remember that Harvard and many other elite universities have been out of the education business for decades. Harvard provides and indoctrination not an education. I say that with no malice and no politics. It is simply the way it is.
Agree
I would suggest that like some other secret societies, Harvard is nothing more than a giant clearinghouse for psychopaths

lucidity
6th March 2015, 22:26
Hello Siblings,

I think the implicit argument here is that taking a sample of men that went
to university, and following them longitudinally, is a biased sample.
In principle that's definitely a valid argument. On the other hand, i
think the very concept of 'university' lends connotations of intelligence,
hard work, competence etc... that are utterly misleading. The people
that go to university are diverse, very diverse, and often don't correspond
with our conceptions of 'university' in any way at all.

Let me illustrate this for you....

here's a quote from wikipedia:


After graduating from Yale University in 1968 and Harvard Business School in 1975...


Who do you think that's about ?
A 'captain of industry' ?
A rocketingly successful entrepreneur ?
A famous Financial Times journalist ?
Somebody somewhere known for his skills or prowess in something ?

Nope.

It's George dub-ya Bush.
Almost certainly the world's most toe-curlingly incompetent politician
America has ever produced... or that the english speaking world
has ever produced.

My point is that a wide variety of men make it to university.
The sample isn't as homogenous as you might imagine.

be happy

lucidity :-)

amor
7th March 2015, 05:29
With the salaries quoted for those men and the slavish wives and servile slaves, what excuse would they have for not being happy and contented. With the nature of spoiled men, they have a sex slave attached at one end and a fancy chef at the other, the complete opposite life to those who serve them.

gripreaper
7th March 2015, 05:42
I would be more interested in a survey of the plumber and the short order cook, and the mechanic. That would be more realistic.

araucaria
7th March 2015, 07:19
I would be more interested in a survey of the plumber and the short order cook, and the mechanic. That would be more realistic.
Yeah, but you wouldn't expect the conclusion 'Happiness is love' to be any different: simply, happiness won't be earning 141 K more than the next person, it won't be money-related at all.

Becky
7th March 2015, 08:44
Haha, my partner told me about a Slavic saying that mothers tell their daughters on how to keep their husbands happy.
"If he's hungry give him a sandwich, if not then f*ck him!" I guess that meaning could be taken 2 ways lol.

Agape
7th March 2015, 09:23
I don't think you can exactly measure 'happiness' by any sort of material value .

In fact .. further I went to the East - in India - in remote areas , far away from civilisation mumbo jumbo people are always smiling , well connected to nature and each other, I'm sure the 'happiness quotient' is much much higher there than 'western average' .
It has also everything to do with freedom ( both physical and spiritual ) , faith - no matter what you believe in , the shared notion that we are somehow taken care of and provided and have natural right to be here and express ourselves freely is very important rather than imposed dependancy on rules imposed by some sort of 'human office' .

Curiously , this seems to be all pervading phenomenon and western scholars visiting what they call '3rd world countries' often see only the poverty , the lack of modern amenities , they see what they miss but they miss seeing sparkles in peoples eyes and smiles and joy and natural adherence to knowing .

More limits you impose on human society more sad and unhappy it turns . One of the least happy atmospheres I've seen ( unless propaganda show oriented ) was in documentaries about countries like NK .
Happiness is subtle and it has all to do with freedom of choice and cultivating positive human and spiritual , ethical values, in my opinion.

I posted about Bhutan couple of times already but it's worth the memory ... they're of course Buddhist country and rather small Kingdom in the heart of Himalayas and they don't allow much tourism ( and they know why ) .
They established quite a visionary idea that ''gross national happiness' is much more important than 'gross national product' and I am sure that's about correct .


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I wish that 'Harvard' would learn something from these people , in this case and took the topic rather seriously , as it's important for all on this planet and beyond.


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Ultima Thule
7th March 2015, 09:51
IMO there is nothing wrong with Harward being the messenger here, no need to shoot.

UT

Natalia
7th March 2015, 11:12
be happy ... or, as Spock might say... live long and prosper.

lucidity :-)


Political ideology had no bearing on overall life satisfaction, but the most conservative men on average shut down their sex lives around age 68, while the most liberal men had healthy sex lives well into their 80s.

and....

Have liberal sex....

:P


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bQceiXjoG1c/UTkXrelwUfI/AAAAAAAAaD0/XBlgnKDxuA8/s1600/johncleesedrag.gif

Do you think that most men could be sexually very happy in a relationship with one woman for many years, if she was a "right one"?

How do you see the future in terms of polyamory and monogamy?

I am so curious!

grannyfranny100
8th March 2015, 04:53
Amethyst, okay. Here's a wacky answer. Women should have as many kids as they want but each should have a different daddy based on your opinion of what traits you seek. The dads should pay enforced child support and visit one week a month. The rest of the time they could f**k whatever male or female partners they want. They would get the variety they want and so would you while you focus on being a great mom. Plus you would have a variety of dads for all the kids to make up for the ones who ended up being losers as dads.

Natalia
8th March 2015, 04:59
Amethyst, okay. Here's a wacky answer. Women should have as many kids as they want but each should have a different daddy based on your opinion of what traits you seek. The dads should pay enforced child support and visit one week a month. The rest of the time they could f**k whatever male or female partners they want. They would get the variety they want and so would you while you focus on being a great mom. Plus you would have a variety of dads for all the kids to make up for the ones who ended up being losers as dads.

lol

(I am speechless but get your drift).

joeecho
9th March 2015, 01:36
be happy ... or, as Spock might say... live long and prosper.

lucidity :-)


Political ideology had no bearing on overall life satisfaction, but the most conservative men on average shut down their sex lives around age 68, while the most liberal men had healthy sex lives well into their 80s.

and....

Have liberal sex....

:P


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bQceiXjoG1c/UTkXrelwUfI/AAAAAAAAaD0/XBlgnKDxuA8/s1600/johncleesedrag.gif

Do you think that most men could be sexually very happy in a relationship with one woman for many years, if she was a "right one"?

How do you see the future in terms of polyamory and monogamy?

I am so curious!

That was a play on the word liberal, not an ideology. Well, maybe he ideology of lots of (liberally applied) quality sex for a healthy sex life. :) The details I leave up to the individual.

Conservatives might disagree.... (just joking)

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Amethyst, okay. Here's a wacky answer. Women should have as many kids as they want but each should have a different daddy based on your opinion of what traits you seek. The dads should pay enforced child support and visit one week a month. The rest of the time they could f**k whatever male or female partners they want. They would get the variety they want and so would you while you focus on being a great mom. Plus you would have a variety of dads for all the kids to make up for the ones who ended up being losers as dads.

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