Your take on cannabis?

[Morbid]

its quite controversial topic.
as per title. do you recon its beneficial or not for our spiritual development? discuss.

[chancy]

Hello Morbid: Thanks for the post of reminding us about cannabis. If you do a search there is more than enough material to keep a person busy for a long time researching the subject here on avalon alone. Just a note...the american indians-first nations used cannabis/marijuana all the time in their peace pipe and ceremonies for higher understanding and spiritual enlightenment. It's all available to study online.
chancy

[eaglespirit]

YES...no need for discussion from me, Morbid, Chancy! : )
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[sirdipswitch]

I was watching a movie and mentioned in passing durring a conversation, a professor said: "I once did a study on the benefits, of Tobaco." They just threw this one sentence into a movie that had nothing what-so-ever to do with tobaco or smoking. hmm. "I", did my own study on the benefits of Tobaco. I found it "Quite" different than that which we are being told today.

Fast forward to Canabis, for the same story. ccc.

Did y'all know that: "Tobaco, is a pain relieving tranquilizer?"

I quit smoking for 5 years. Three years after quitting, I got a divorce. ccc. Two years later, with the reason I quit gone, I started smoking again. A year later and I couldn't remember why I got a divorce. ccc.:wizard:

[donk]

Anything available to us (including teevee and exercize) can be medicinal or the negative aspects of "drugs", depending on the amount respect you have for the addictive nature of any activity.

Personal responsibility comes in to play for "natural" drugs/activity like herb or sport, true information about them and their effect on our meatbag and brains is the other crucial consideration

What is commonly thought of as the problem with "hard/categorized drugs" is intentionally sinister additives (which has weaponized food, cigs, rx's, and information...especially from shiny rectangles) targeting the addictive centers of our brains

The emotional attachment to the popular beliefs about addiction clouds the issue greatly, hence why "cannabis" is more often associated in discussion with things like opiates and commercially produced "tobacco" instead of over-exercizers or caffine dependency as it should (assuming most bud ain't being injected with crap or is all gmo)...by conservative types, whereas popular culture
making it seem "cool" to the kids is a whole other topic

[DNA]

I think we should consider the same reason for not smoking pot, as we do not consuming GMO food.

I think pot as it occures naturally is fine, I'm suspect of the new super strains.

[Wind]

Should it be illegal? Of course not. Should be used as a medicine for illnesses? Absolutely. Should it be used as a shamanic tool? Probably sometimes. Should it be used recreationally? It depends. From what I've seen, it can be a tool which helps to understand some things, it also can be a retarding agent when it comes to spiritual development.

Personally I don't use any intoxicating substances (except for coffee), they have never really been my thing. If weed wasn't illegal, then I might consider it as a possibly suitable medicine, but I would never want to overindulge it. I don't want anything to control me and my desires, I already know that I could have an addictive personality, because it has been exceptionally hard for me to let go of coffee.

[Guish]

I never felt the need of taking anything external for spiritual progress. I know someone who took mushrooms for trips and this helped him to have spiritual experiences- Feeling of oneness, melting of ego and so on. However, he wanted to try other things. He ended up trying hard drugs among other things. I know that he can't sleep well and has frequent hallucinations. In my humble opinion, spirituality should be progressive.

The way I've experienced spirituality/God is as follows:
Selfless actions
Meditation
Exercise
Reading/reflection
Helping the emancipation of others
Helping without imposing or judging.

I'm sure that I do many other things without realising. The self does it. So, I don't think when I act.

[Morbid]

i personally found it quite stimulating exchanging knowledge between friends while at it. it opens up boundaries of thought that i doubt are avaliable to us unless we are guru of some sort.

[Elainie]

I personally never cared for cannabis, it doesn't affect me well and this includes CBD capsules, RSO (Phoenix tears) and THC free CBD pills. All make me stoned which is a feeling I don't care for. That said, I know others have gotten relief from their ills from CBD oils and such and I fully support the healing effects of cannabis- it's just not my medicine.

[Hip Hipnotist]

My take on cannabis?

I'll take a pound of Kush, please.

Forgive me, I couldn't help myself.

Back in the olden dayz I could get up in the morning ( afternoon, actually ) smoke a joint ( or two, or three, or four ) and function like an engine just tuned to perfection. But I was also a hip rock'n roll drummer ( not a hip hypnotist ) and that was 'par for the course'.

Today ( not literally today ) (( well, maybe )) I'll occasionally indulge but certainly not to attain higher spiritual awareness. Being mostly retired now and only doing things I enjoy ( not that I didn't before ) and living in a state that says it's okay for me to do what I did anyway; when I do 'indulge' I find that Lily, my cat, doesn't especially like it when I chew her toys to shreds. :noidea:

[rgray222]

To answer your question from my perspective it is not only beneficial it is necessary to talk about cannabis in the medicinal sense. If people choose to smoke pot for recreational purposes it is their right and their prerogative. But as a tool to advance spiritual development or enlightenment, it does not help at all, quite the contrary.

[Omni]

Cannabis has been helpful to my spiritual development personally. I smoke it in cycles to keep tolerance down, and to save money(also don't want to be buzzed all the time). Consuming it in moderation has worked for me when I do it. That way it's just a buzz and not much of a "high". I find cannabis helps music making significantly. It is great for mastering music when you have worked on a track so much you no longer have a fresh ear for it. Smoke a little, and it's a new song going from sober..


It also was hurtful towards me graduating college... (Although I did graduate from a music school). It does have balance. I wouldn't say smoking weed is only a good thing. Cannabis was probably the biggest contributor to my life quality in my teens though, for whatever that is worth... I found it to be stimulating for intellectual conversation. It never retarded me unless I hadn't smoked in a long time(which can happen with certain weed).

It was voted legal in my state :)

[Morbid]

To answer your question from my perspective it is not only beneficial it is necessary to talk about cannabis in the medicinal sense. If people choose to smoke pot for recreational purposes it is their right and their prerogative. But as a tool to advance spiritual development or enlightenment, it does not help at all, quite the contrary.

could you please elaborate on that? from your point of view of course.

[Griff]

Personally, I think cannabis has helped my my spiritual development, or more like spiritual consciousness over much of my life. I've smoked for almost four decades now, off and on (mostly on!) It can help me focus at times, or inspires my creativity, or increases my appreciation of music, (but not necessarily talent). I have also discovered a taste for more natural outdoor strains that are not TOO intense.
I think that we have not yet discovered (or rediscovered) a fraction of the medicinal uses of cannabis. I also believe that society as a whole would be better off if it was universally legalized.
YMMV
Griff

[Olam]

Lets not forget that we are multi dimensional beings living in a multi dimensional world.
Cannabis as well as any other consciousness altering drugs opens doorways and wormholes into other dimensions.

If you are already inhabiting parasitic entities as many of us are, smoking does not help at all.
It has its benefits, but you really need to be very grounded and totally free with no leeches hanging on.

Our thoughts are not all our own and we all need to be very careful about what we think and what intention is behind the thought.
I realize now, at least for me, that smoking just makes me loose control on my thoughts and intentions.

I smoked weed for 20 years, self medicating.
I can say that it saved me, but it was also the worst thing to do.
It stopped the pain, but it also removed me from my body and other energies were taking my place.

I had some man do a Lecher antenna reading on me at a time when I was smoking all day long.
He mentioned that my consciousness, my "I am" presence, was about 250 meters away from my body at the time.

Then you crave more of the stuff, not realizing that its really these entities who are doing all they can to stay in control.

[donk]

To answer your question from my perspective it is not only beneficial it is necessary to talk about cannabis in the medicinal sense. If people choose to smoke pot for recreational purposes it is their right and their prerogative. But as a tool to advance spiritual development or enlightenment, it does not help at all, quite the contrary.

I agree, the medicinal properties can give the illusion spiritual strengthening. It was huge in helping with depression & anxiety, which allowed me to open more simply because I felt better.

I greatly underestimated it's pain killing effect, until my MS started getting to me and I was forced to quit for job and hassle of legality. I used to think it was minimal, and trumped up by pro- activists. I did not believe it was valid tool as substitute for the hard stuff...but I've changed my tune lately.

It really bugs me the glorification of being a pothead with kids these days...especially since I got so many damn teens...I get shake my cane at 'em at yell "stay off my dang grass ya lil bastards!!"

[DeDukshyn]

Consider me a well versed sayer.

Medicine -- Very Good, for what it does -- cataracts, MS, back pain, potentially cancer, and a host of other ailments -- all good.

Altered state of consciousness -- all all good for a try or a couple -- many people have zero effect their first or first few try's -- may take some time and a few bucks to get the first "high" ...
As an "escape" or "regular (daily)" way to experience an altered state -- fail -- just don't go there for regular use ... almost all value is lost with regular use ... DO not Attempt! :)
Regular use, just creates a new "normal" and eventually all benefit is lost.

Experienced enough to be confident in what I say -- been on and off user/ vast researcher, for 20+ years. Your mileage may vary ... ;)

[BlueMuffin]

Anything available to us (including teevee and exercize) can be medicinal or the negative aspects of "drugs", depending on the amount respect you have for the addictive nature of any activity.

Personal responsibility comes in to play for "natural" drugs/activity like herb or sport, true information about them and their effect on our meatbag and brains is the other crucial consideration

What is commonly thought of as the problem with "hard/categorized drugs" is intentionally sinister additives (which has weaponized food, cigs, rx's, and information...especially from shiny rectangles) targeting the addictive centers of our brains

The emotional attachment to the popular beliefs about addiction clouds the issue greatly, hence why "cannabis" is more often associated in discussion with things like opiates and commercially produced "tobacco" instead of over-exercizers or caffine dependency as it should (assuming most bud ain't being injected with crap or is all gmo)...by conservative types, whereas popular culture
making it seem "cool" to the kids is a whole other topic

This pretty much hit's it on the head. It's all about how it's used and of course, the consideration if you use to feel "spiritual" or anything really there is of course the risk of dependence. I personally can't smoke it myself as I don't find the effects enjoyable in the slightest. For most people it relaxes them and puts them in a social mood, where as it places me in a state of anxiety with weird thought loops and the sensation people are watching me.(lol) I do see apparent negative effects on people who abuse it, such as my younger brother. Something else that should be mentioned the Marijuana of today is very much hybridized to the point of being questioned as necessary. The THC content continues to rise as it becomes more potent and the more people mess with it's own natural state I believe harmful effects will show themselves.

[Ioneo]

Consider me a well versed sayer.

Medicine -- Very Good, for what it does -- cataracts, MS, back pain, potentially cancer, and a host of other ailments -- all good.

Altered state of consciousness -- all all good for a try or a couple -- many people have zero effect their first or first few try's -- may take some time and a few bucks to get the first "high" ...
As an "escape" or "regular (daily)" way to experience an altered state -- fail -- just don't go there for regular use ... almost all value is lost with regular use ... DO not Attempt!
Regular use, just creates a new "normal" and eventually all benefit is lost.

Experienced enough to be confident in what I say -- been on and off user/ vast researcher, for 20+ years. Your mileage may vary ...

I agree wholeheartedly.

I'd add that as a spiritual aid it helps wonderfully.

[WhiteFeather]

Another Plant For Healing like many others, when it us used correctly (Extraction of its Oil). Its being suppressed for such reason. Ex: Rick Simpson, run from the cure.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYNLNF7NBw

[Ernie Nemeth]

It is my medicine. Without it I would not survive this world.

[Earth Angel]

thanks for that WhiteFeather..... I have two friends fighting cancer right now. One at the start of his journey and very interested in alternative healing and the other having gone the surgery/chemo/radiation route and being told "sorry, nothing more we can do for you" is trying on her own now to do something alternative....of course this is always better before the chemo has ravaged the body but where there is life there is hope........as for weed, I find the stuff today to be totally different that the stuff we had in the 70s......and I dont personally like it ......its like everything else, food, water, air they have ****ed with it


Another Plant For Healing like many others, when it us used correctly (Extraction of its Oil). Its being suppressed for such reason. Ex: Rick Simpson, run from the cure.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYNLNF7NBw

[Ernie Nemeth]

From memory:

In Canada, a new federal law implemented last year (2014) revoked the license of over 4,000 individuals for the production and sale of 'medicinal' marijuana.

A vacuum resulted, which no doubt has driven many underground into illegal production, in interest by big business. One overture was by a friend of the government, who was granted a permit and is beginning operations soon. The government has 'invited' certain particular individuals to consider starting up operations, citing lucrative returns on investment.

This is the state of the war on marijuana in this country. Thanks to the current government (whom I won't give the satisfaction of naming) and their cronies, we are now more restricted than ever (three home grown plants or more and you are considered a trafficker!) - with harsher fines and penalties (longer jail terms).

[DeDukshyn]

From memory:

In Canada, a new federal law implemented last year (2014) revoked the license of over 4,000 individuals for the production and sale of 'medicinal' marijuana.

A vacuum resulted, which no doubt has driven many underground into illegal production, in interest by big business. One overture was by a friend of the government, who was granted a permit and is beginning operations soon. The government has 'invited' certain particular individuals to consider starting up operations, citing lucrative returns on investment.

This is the state of the war on marijuana in this country. Thanks to the current government (whom I won't give the satisfaction of naming) and their cronies, we are now more restricted than ever (three home grown plants or more and you are considered a trafficker!) - with harsher fines and penalties (longer jail terms).

Agreed -- it is absolutely insane. One can see how hard the government is trying to create a single revenue stream from various operations for taxing purposes - so they make the penalties for some guy trying to grow some even for entirely medical purposes, so harsh (like in some cases more harsh the sexually assaulting a child), the reason is obviously to protect the potential grab in taxes that they see with medical marijuana. They really don't care about people's "medicine" at all, and their actions prove it.

What do we expect from the PM that gave ISIS $5 million of our hard earned tax dollars to buy weapons to kill civilians and even our soldiers with - considering he also lied about what our troops where doing over there?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Just to open peoples' eyes:

One average hemp plant grown in earth and properly trimmed (topped and kept under say four feet high) in a garden hidden by tomato plants or other thick growing vegetation will yield between 1/2 and 1 pound of high quality product. In the early 2000s a quarter pound of the highest quality hemp commanded $900! So an average plant, if grown for profit will net a return of well over $2000.

That is just dirt grown plants. If using hydroponics, the yield if far greater in far less time!

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

It must be due to the Tribes that live in this area, I'm in Reno, NV right now for work and I heard a commercial on the radio, it was a public service message for tobacco, the catch phrase was, "use not abuse," and it really stuck with me. I've meditated extensively while using cannabis and its a much different experience then playing Grand Theft Auto or kicking it with your friends. Moderation in all things...