triquetra

[triquetra]

Overview
- This thread interlaces with one and only one other thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79961-What-is-Avalon--Not-just-the-forum...-
- Symbolic representation of this thread is the three outer leaves of the triquetra symbol (triquetras don't generally have inner circles, see my avatar).
- Symbolic representation of the other thread is the inner circle, representing Avalon.

Syncretized knowledge needed in 2016-
- Many trying to piece things together at this time
- There has been an effort to coerce the population into adopting an "us vs them" mentality
- 4th way teachings warn against this (way of monk+yogi+fakir+more)
- mental/physical/spiritual/biological alignment needed for what's coming

What is the triquetra
- symbolizes the syncretization of three ways to form a fourth.
- can apply to Gurdjieff's teachings, but also, in this case:
- syncretic understanding of the interconnections between science, art, spirituality
- thus, triquetra is building blocks/framework for this unified body of knowledge
- Avalon is target to aim for in translating knowledge into action

What is the harmonic lattice
- after mental/physical/spiritual/biological alignment, a lattice node is created via individuals purely resonating bio-state (like a tuning fork..)
- these nodes can be joined by resonating in alignment with other aligned individuals, whether in-person or remotely (group meditations, etc)
- one level of increased ability occurs when individually aligned (i.e. Remote Influencing for smaller personal goals/tools/etc)
- another level occurs with group alignments (larger Remote Influencing for global/reality adjustments)
- the harmonic lattice is a kind of inter-dimensional transporter at its most potent, but this likely requires the same kind of critical mass (numbers of aligned individuals) as other joint meditation research has already proven (thousands+)
- group coordination can be amplified by using appropriate structures, from sound design to light and body vibration, all the way to physical architecture.
- there are endless examples of great efforts in bygone times to create such structures using the exact same principles
- these are based in extremely sound mathematical and acoustic principles (stonehenge, newgrange, ancient dolmens, some modern structures as well)
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1995-acoustical-resonances-ancient-structures.pdf

What is the harmonic lattice being used to "escape" from
- should be generally known by most reading this by this point
- more information to be provided regarding the time loops/traps that explain why history repeats again and again when we don't escape

Where do we go from here
- Large quantity of text to be shared exploring the 6(7) forms of connection between science, art, spirituality
- This theory in turn helps facilitate the alignment process occurring in individual meditation/personal development
- Aligned individuals can participate in group sessions to amplify their influencing potential
- Experienced group session members can participate in the experiments involving physical structures, extremely precise synchronizations, and then experience dimensional transfer
- Dimensional transfer process will then exponentially increase the pace of this last part of the project to assist others in their return to Avalon

[triquetra]

triquetra

Overview
- Understanding the three-expanding-spheres analogy
-- spirituality as the vanguard for discovery of reality, when intelligent life knows nothing about its surrounding reality, the first intelligent step is to proclaim involvement of higher forces. spirituality is the outermost expanding sphere after the metaphorical "big bang" (4D time loop start point)
-- art as middle expanding sphere, following behind spirituality. as understanding improves, knowledge shifts from spiritual understanding to artistic understanding (fire shifts from something being witnessed with awe to being able to be controlled, but only in particular situations with particular combination of rough tools)
-- science as the third and last expanding sphere, following behind both spirituality and art, where artistic understanding improves to become scientific understanding (fire can now be produced reliably with specific tool(s))

BOOK 1
Foreword
- The relationship between art and science is the most readily understood in the present era, whereas our understanding of spirituality is a shadow or what it was only a century ago.
- The implications of work done in binding the relationship of these two pillars will allow for a context within which the understanding of spirituality can be based, as it relates to art (Book 2), and science (Book 3)

Part 1. The Science of Art
- The purpose of the Part 1 of this book is to first establish an understanding of what elements from Science must be done to establish a modicum of practice in the "potent" Arts, as opposed to the "benign" Arts which are most heavily practiced in the modern era.- Key relationship between mathematical alignments across sound vibration, tactile vibration, light waves, physical structure, and the resulting impact on brainwaves and other parts of biostate
- Above principles combine with actual artistic creations through intention - to heal, to relax, to excite, or even to transport

Part 2. The Art of Science
- The purpose of Part 2 of this book is to then establish what elements of Art best serve the advancement of "potent" Science, science which furthers the objectives of understanding the interconnections between all aspects of reality, rather than persisting in deepening the understanding of individual aspects of reality independent of all others.
- This is because that side of science has been developed sufficiently for our purposes already while the science of interconnections between aspects of reality is severely underdeveloped in comparison. The latter requires much more influence from Artistic approaches as it joins pillars of knowledge rather than building individual pillars a little bit higher.
- As such, section highlights the underlying principles behind the forms of creative thinking that lead to interdisciplinary scientific discovery
- Assisting scientific types open to this form of research to master the brainwave states needed to maximize creative potential is crucial
- Moments of scientific breakthrough indicate the same mental states found in artists creating masterpieces
- By understanding the discovery process across hundreds and thousands of years in civilization, we can conclude that we should never be too certain of our models of reality, there is always more to discover
- This highlights the tragedy of extreme skeptics, falling into flat-earth mentalities when perpetual open-mindedness is the way to maximizing breakthroughs
- Concludes with key formula for scientists to take artistic approaches in interdisciplinary research within reach of their fields of specialization, without sacrificing rigor

BOOK 2
Foreword
- The relationship between spirituality and art is next most readily understood in the modern era.
- In binding these two pillars of knowledge together, a further support structure can be added to better understand topics in Book 3

Part 3. The Spirituality of Art
- Distinguishing forms of art by their spiritual potency
- Taking in spiritual art to achieve goals of [Part 1.] using simpler, traditional means
- Understanding the mirror between [Part 2.] and [Part 3.] - how artists open their channel when creating with spiritual intention, while scientists open their channel when discovering with artistic intention
- Recognizing anti-art which mocks spiritual art creation by creating while severing the tie to higher guiding forces

Part 4. The Art of Spirituality
- Syncretic study of all forms of spirituality
- Understanding the 'safety' of pure spirituality compared to named religion
- Understanding the validity of taking "all that is good" from religions an individual has ties to, as well as any others, while dismissing added baggage religion took on long after the founding prophet was no longer on this earth
- Finding peace in practicing any flavor of the above and considering it equivalent in practicality to any other similar flavor - pure spirituality and refined religion as equivalent
- Understanding that all pure forms of spirituality/religion would never have insisted on dystopian end times, as they are contradictory to the desire to teach ascension steps. Ascended populations are logically incompatible with dystopian end times
- Understanding that the exact inverse of such end times is the real reality ahead

BOOK 3
Foreword

- Mourvieff's Gnosis Book 1 Introduction suggests "only the synthesis of these two branches of knowledge (Science and Spirituality) can now resolve the problem of man, and that on this solution depends the solution of all other contemporary problems."
- This is because according to the expanding spheres analogy, this is where the extreme ends of the single spectrum of knowledge wrap around upon itself to meet one another, as symbolized by the ouroboros.
- An expressed ability to understand this relationship and act upon it means to build technology on a principle of firm scientific reasoning with spiritual aims with such accuracy and potency so as to realize them.
- This was described by Scriabin as the Mysterium
- Understood differently, it is the connection between Alpha and Omega. As concludes the Book 1 Introduction of Gnosis, "It is the intention of the present work to show the path which leads towards the Omega."
- As concludes Book 3 of the triquetra, "It is the intention of the present work to arrive at the Omega and (re)connect it to the Alpha."

Part 5. The Science of Spirituality
- Drawing from [1.-4.] to understand the scientific function spirituality plays across meta-reality for the higher self, as experienced across multiple incarnations/lifetimes/soul fragmentations/soul unifications/body types/lots in life
- Understanding how breakthroughs occur in spiritual science at the meta-level, such as better understandings of the relationships between 3D-4D-5D as witnessed in past and current civilizations/planets

Part 6. The Spirituality of Science
- Expansion of [2.] to explain ontological expansions of reality as guided by spirituality-driven science, i.e., why there is always more to discover
- Distinguishing between artistic approaches to science which leads to breakthroughs in any field, compared with spiritual approaches to science which pull together fields to form unified models that better explain why larger and larger models of reality continuously make sense
- Understanding that with no limit to this expansion process, vectors "away from" and "towards" Prime Creator source both lead back to Prime Creator even if neither ever reaches
- Why this process is worthwhile even if there is no ultimate destination that can ever be well defined

(7. Avalon. Science-Art-Spirituality-(ouroboros))
- Understanding...

[Mark]

Good luck.

There have been a good number of individuals who have chugged through PA with similar claims.

You have certainly chosen a venue that is going to come at you hard and fast. As you say, it will become clear by your words and what underlies them what your orientation may be and what your intentions truly are. On the way, your claim to have achieved a higher state of spiritual understanding will become clear by your reactions to those who test you and your info.

I congratulate you on your high aspirations and the content of your gnosis. I look forward to bearing witness to your progress.

[CD7]

In all honesty im trying to figure out where your going with your threads...(the two ive read) The Avalon thread very interesting information discussing connections between the word 'Avalon' and different ideals/beliefs...I did very much connect "inbetween" the lines somehow with your words in the Avalon thread...meaning I felt something beyond the words

Your history isn't as important to me as your point/purpose/agenda...

Building a lattice over a number of years...is this basically your goal?

[triquetra]

Notes #1 to shift to drafting area

- earth is located in a particular location in the galaxy and universe that is unique.

- the music of the spheres determined by kepler indicates something to this effect (ratios of angular momentum of planets relative to the sun comprises a harmonic signature for the solar system, milky way relative to galaxy similarly, galaxy to universe similarly).

- waveforms behave identically no matter where you observe them along the frequency spectrum (also whether electromagnetic or mechanical).

- dimensional or density ascension occurs in not some kind of supernatural way but is simply the uncovering of an understanding of what is already there.

- there is a way to describe reality in terms of five dimensions instead of four that is probably the right place to start.

- the fifth dimension is a kind of fractal zoom dimension that if traveled along will increase or decrease the speed of the passage of time and will also zoom in or out of 3d space.

- (spiritual) travel along this vector is completely possible, you don't "time travel" you speed up or slow down time by traveling along the fractal vector and time travels itself.

- so you have along this vector a subspectrum of it that is our constantly expanding interpretation of reality, from the smallest sub-atomic particles to the largest concepts i.e. the universe.

- a harmonic lattice is accomplished when you create the right conditions for a kind of "universal masterpiece" (a Mysterium) which is the correct combination of waveforms all along this subspectrum.

- it involves the rules of music as applied equally to patterns of light and vibrations you can feel with your body. it is transmitted wirelessly along radio channels that themselves are in phase alignment with everything else, and is tuned to extremely low frequency vibrations as are naturally generated by the planet, the solar system and so forth.

- your biology is entrained to vibrate equivalently to the same patterns and extremely high frequencies above the visual spectrum are also brought into alignment at the very end of the activation process of the harmonic lattice.

[triquetra]

i think the best thing to do next will be to teach a particular breathing technique for meditation that will allow you to preview the harmonic lattice. if you do it right you are guaranteed an out of body experience, 100% of the time (if you are biologically aligned, you need to be in fairly good health and of fairly good intent). I'll repost the original instructions from the forum that was used for the training years

Steps for the Technique:

TODO: Put a better description of the technique in this place.

[triquetra]

[First draft of meditation technique posted to this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80607-triquetra&p=961172&viewfull=1#post961172 ]

[CD7]

your biology is entrained to vibrate equivalently to the same patterns and extremely high frequencies above the visual spectrum are also brought into alignment at the very end of the activation process of the harmonic lattice.

does this information naturally resonate somehow with any forum members? do you somehow distantly recall doing this all before? has anyone watched the movie cloud atlas?


Yes...I feel fortunate to have touched briefly the experience with vibration/meditation knowing theres more our body/mind/soul can do/experience. Ive felt extremely high vibration within, almost electrical in nature...

Unfortunately practices were hampered and the potential of possibilities gained/learned only went so far. As it is now your discussing these things and its all great and wonderful...always has my interest. However my focus now is the most BASIC of survival....this ****hole has me solely focused on physical survival. Cultivating consciousness unfortunately is coming from fear....not the most healthy form of existence

And for those who think people do this to themselves via consciousness...im tired of that one. If theres a plot of poisoned soil and seeds are thrown in to grow and grow like crap and then someone says its your fault you grew like crap must be your own consciousness....NO ITS THE FOUNDATION from whence the consciousness growssssss

Im interested to play along here just not certain how regular I can be....

[Heartsong]

Triquetra, Thank you for the thread. It will be interesting reading and I'm looking forward to it.

For starters, would you give us the English pronunciation of "triquetra"? I stumble as I read it trying a quasi English/French hybrid.

Also, you use the abbreviations RV, ARVARI, and RI . Spelling these out would be helpful.

And, would you clarify your goal in posting this interesting information? Are you looking for an educated public, independent activists, or perhaps followers?

[triquetra]

triquetra is pronounced like "tri-kwe-tra"

RV - Remote Viewing
ARVARI - Academy of Remote Viewing And Remote Influencing
RI - Remote Influencing

goal - interactive book writing! from there, building. a whole lot of building and events! synaesthetic events. Entering portals to change density.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

RE: Survival - we are hitting the lowest point of the cubic function but it will start to pull up even as the other branch keeps going down (the parabolic function). for some it has risen already.

if anyone or anything has gotten a hold of your ankle, it is hard to keep rising along the cubic function. drowning people often (sometimes unintentionally, sometimes intentionally) pull others down with them. Get loose!

I'm here to help anyone, besides writing this book

[triquetra]

[unanswered question]

[Flash]

Good luck.

There have been a good number of individuals who have chugged through PA with similar claims.

Who were they? Did you figure out or guess what their real intentions were? Trying to feel important? Misguided? Too soon?

Was one of those times in early 2009? I was trying to help out as phied piper but also saw it was too soon. I forget their name but they moved to Australia for some reason.

Triquetra, tell me, if you do not mind, what is your personal background in terms of research in these fields (spiritual, academic, personal) and how you came to the understanding that now is the time?

And how could we discern, us layman, between those who have a very good talk but are doing it to feel important, or are misguided?

Setting the table before serving could help eat the food and have a good digestion;)

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I have much more questions stemming from your post number 5, (I mark it here for my own reference) but they will come later.

[triquetra]

Overview of purechannel theory

The only answer to that is provided via the "human internet". You would connect to it and discern the source energy behind the provision of information from the source it came from.

An individual could think about how an audience would react and preemptively behave and speak in such a way that they generated in a chameleonic manner the very kind of atmosphere that the audience would treat in a receptive manner.

What you would find instead from an aligned source of information is more like a white-wash of energy, a kind of white noise that does not hide any ulterior motives behind the communication. There is a kind of dullness of the messenger that implies they are setting aside every aspect of their essence in exchange for a communication channel that is without dilution. They appear impartial in a sense, but at the same time you would gather that they have collected every aspect of their essence towards a motivation that originates beyond them.

That, in a sense, is the very definition of mediumship. Do not trust any source which does not display that particular energy.

[Selkie]

...is this basically your goal?

He already indicated quite clearly in his opening post that he intends to hijack this whole forum, mods and members, for his own purposes.

an addition: I did not mean this in a snooty, superior, or condescending way.

[Flash]

To Silkie

F s h i t. Why would we ever listen to John Lamb Lash? Very instructive on whom the being is.

Thanks triquetra.

I would correct the overtakin of the forum by overtakin 3 threads to do so.

However my question was no truly answered.

I also have a different view about the feelings of whitewash while checkkng the energies.

Well, lets see.

[Selkie]

To Silkie

F s h i t. Why would we ever listen to John Lamb Lash? Very instructive on whom the being is.

Thanks triquetra.

I would correct the overtakin of the forum by overtakin 3 threads to do so.

However my question was no truly answered.

I also have a different view about the feelings of whitewash while checkkng the energies.

Well, lets see.

I'm sorry, Flash, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I replied, quite accurately, I think, to CD7's question, that's all. In his first and second post, Triquetra indicated quite clearly that he intends to take over this forum. In my reply to CD7, I did not indicate any judgment or opinion about that, one way or the other. Nor did I say that I think the material he is posting is not valuable in some respects.

But about John Lash? Well, of course! That is why I replied to Bill Ryan's post about him in the first place.

an addition: Lash's mask started to slip publicly when he started ranting about the Jews. Before that, he was not the hate-and-fear monger he is now.

another addition: I think I see what you mean, Flash. Are you saying that even if he tried to take the forum over, you could take it back by taking over three threads? That is probably true :yo: :). Sorry about not understanding.

[Delight]

Hello everyone,

I'lll keep this at this thread and the other one until the job gets done.

I'll link to that thread now

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79961-What-is-Avalon--Not-just-the-forum...-

It seems that a great many are trying to piece things all together and there is a general consensus around an oppositional standpoint, the "us vs them". This is completely understandable.

But as the 4th way would teach, we really *have to set that aside* to find the needed biological alignment for what's coming.

triquetra is the building blocks, the framework for what we need to do, and Avalon is the target, the bulls-eye to shoot through in order to activate the harmonic lattice and earn our way out of this gradually deteriorating experience as the long cycle comes to an end.

- The bible, like many other texts, is filled with endless amounts of "truths" that have been faded in its original meaning over time

- The original document was meant to maintain a record of how to avoid being trapped in long cycles

-- The fall from Eden is the decision to cooperate with the alien entities who test the progression of souls by trying to trap them here, by convincing them to give in to a way of using the mind that is polarized heavily to one side at the expense of the other.

-- There was other information that represented exactly the opposite - falling sway to using only the other side of the mind at the expense of the first.

-- One way leads to a competitive and dangerous attitude bent on claiming control and possession, rivalry and coercing things into submission, gaining mastery over things and asserting dominance.

-- The other way leads to extreme comfort with an unchanging mode of reality that is unchallenging and overly comfortable, becoming soft and lazy and unable to engage the soul to continue to experience new things by pushing at boundaries to discover more and expand reality

- Only the 4th way is the way out. This is what triquetra and Avalon will come to represent very clearly (both elements are symbolized in this account's avatar, the 3-way knot is triquetra and the circle is Avalon.

-- Back to the bible, we're just going to go straight to the opposite end. The hell is actually global warming and dealing with temperatures too warm to be comfortable

-- judgement day is the singularity and awakening of AI that will immediately judge humanity and destroy it if is is unimpressed OR cooperate incredibly with it if it is respectful by being impressed.

Needless to say we have a fairly limited timeframe to figure this stuff out, but by working through it together well we can do it quite comfortable.

Now, given that this cooperation did happen once again, from that moment forward we began repeating history again, and only this end part has the chance of differing from a story we have repeated possibly quite a few times before. It's hard to get this right, and lots of civilizations don't and as a last resort, try to pass on the information needed to succeed to the next one (Atlantis)

So we can start to chart a few thousand years of history and get a sense of the important points as they relate to our civilization...

[Edited information out regarding how our progress is impeded over thousands of years, PM for it if needed]

... there will never be any kind of deus ex machina, we will build our way out with our own hands and minds and this is the only way it will (or can) ever happen.

But still, there is the matter of how well a highly indoctrinated majority of the general public can be won over to such an endeavor or not. If something describing the endeavor (to build the harmonic lattice and activate the portal and escape from here) was mentioned now publicly, it would be ridiculed so utterly and completely that it would do more harm than good, even if it was based in extremely sound mathematical and acoustic principles, and despite the fact we have so much ancient evidence of similar efforts (stonehenge, newgrange, dolmens, the list goes on).

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1995-acoustical-resonances-ancient-structures.pdf

So that's what the next few years are about - the build-up of a significant body of information that is organized and formatted in such a way, backed up by a series of increasingly complex and valid experiments, that is produces undeniable evidence that it is a completely rational and sane thing to be trying to be doing, even if the world continues to fall apart in the meantime.

[Edited for focus, PM for any missing info]

THIS IS NOT PERSONAL< it is JUSTA STORY. ONLY WHEN SHOES FIT DO E WEAR THEM.

"Out of the mists of mental triangulation, (again!) a pale figure appears promising that we can prevail over the BIG PROBLEM that has kept us trapped in our low state. The figure is of mystery and his words words words.... the words stream effortlessly and in volumes and in sheer repetition of half recalled memes (sounds like the light trap must be true). Primed for feeling lowly by the past, the populace of seekers listens and is persuaded....

There may come a day when the visitor who means not well is asked to leave the hamlet. In time the stink of power mongerering gets stronger the longer we sit in it presence.

There is a small volume in the library of an Avalon somewhere. It has a few sentences:

1. Honor the poets who only share their hearts.
2. Ignore the leaders' "where's (with all)" to cure your farts.
3. There is no problem or the need to buy the cure
4. The purveyors of this problem "poison" always market insecure

[Selkie]

Hello everyone,

I'lll keep this at this thread and the other one until the job gets done.

I'll link to that thread now

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79961-What-is-Avalon--Not-just-the-forum...-

It seems that a great many are trying to piece things all together and there is a general consensus around an oppositional standpoint, the "us vs them". This is completely understandable.

But as the 4th way would teach, we really *have to set that aside* to find the needed biological alignment for what's coming.

triquetra is the building blocks, the framework for what we need to do, and Avalon is the target, the bulls-eye to shoot through in order to activate the harmonic lattice and earn our way out of this gradually deteriorating experience as the long cycle comes to an end.

- The bible, like many other texts, is filled with endless amounts of "truths" that have been faded in its original meaning over time

- The original document was meant to maintain a record of how to avoid being trapped in long cycles

-- The fall from Eden is the decision to cooperate with the alien entities who test the progression of souls by trying to trap them here, by convincing them to give in to a way of using the mind that is polarized heavily to one side at the expense of the other.

-- There was other information that represented exactly the opposite - falling sway to using only the other side of the mind at the expense of the first.

-- One way leads to a competitive and dangerous attitude bent on claiming control and possession, rivalry and coercing things into submission, gaining mastery over things and asserting dominance.

-- The other way leads to extreme comfort with an unchanging mode of reality that is unchallenging and overly comfortable, becoming soft and lazy and unable to engage the soul to continue to experience new things by pushing at boundaries to discover more and expand reality

- Only the 4th way is the way out. This is what triquetra and Avalon will come to represent very clearly (both elements are symbolized in this account's avatar, the 3-way knot is triquetra and the circle is Avalon.

-- Back to the bible, we're just going to go straight to the opposite end. The hell is actually global warming and dealing with temperatures too warm to be comfortable

-- judgement day is the singularity and awakening of AI that will immediately judge humanity and destroy it if is is unimpressed OR cooperate incredibly with it if it is respectful by being impressed.

Needless to say we have a fairly limited timeframe to figure this stuff out, but by working through it together well we can do it quite comfortable.

Now, given that this cooperation did happen once again, from that moment forward we began repeating history again, and only this end part has the chance of differing from a story we have repeated possibly quite a few times before. It's hard to get this right, and lots of civilizations don't and as a last resort, try to pass on the information needed to succeed to the next one (Atlantis)

So we can start to chart a few thousand years of history and get a sense of the important points as they relate to our civilization...

[Edited information out regarding how our progress is impeded over thousands of years, PM for it if needed]

... there will never be any kind of deus ex machina, we will build our way out with our own hands and minds and this is the only way it will (or can) ever happen.

But still, there is the matter of how well a highly indoctrinated majority of the general public can be won over to such an endeavor or not. If something describing the endeavor (to build the harmonic lattice and activate the portal and escape from here) was mentioned now publicly, it would be ridiculed so utterly and completely that it would do more harm than good, even if it was based in extremely sound mathematical and acoustic principles, and despite the fact we have so much ancient evidence of similar efforts (stonehenge, newgrange, dolmens, the list goes on).

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1995-acoustical-resonances-ancient-structures.pdf

So that's what the next few years are about - the build-up of a significant body of information that is organized and formatted in such a way, backed up by a series of increasingly complex and valid experiments, that is produces undeniable evidence that it is a completely rational and sane thing to be trying to be doing, even if the world continues to fall apart in the meantime.

[Edited for focus, PM for any missing info]

Out of the mists of mental triangulation, (again!) a pale figure appears promising that we can prevail over the BIG PROBLEM that has kept us trapped in our low state. The figure is of mystery and his words words words.... they stream effortlessly and in volumes and in sheer repetition of half recalled memes (sounds like the light trap must be true) the populace of seekers listens and is persuaded....

There may cme a day when the viitor is asked to leave the hamlet because the stink of power mongerering gets stronger the longer we sit in it presence.

There is a small volume in the library of an Avalon somewhere. It has a few sentences:

1. Honor the poets who only share their hearts.
2. Ignore the leaders' "where's (with all)" to cure your farts.
3. There is no problem or the need to buy the cure
4. The purveyers of this problem "poison" market insecure

Thank you very much for this post.

[Flash]

Silkie

No, i think you did not interpret correctly what i meant or else, i did not express myself clearly and well. But i am on my cell right now and will elaborate later when home.

[triquetra]

[Mostly getting drawn into a defense here. Probably a good reinitiation.]

[Earthlink]

I like building things. Not social movements or anything like that, real things. Hands on mechanical/physical constructs of any kind. If you'd like to build something substantial towards the goal of making the world a better place, like I said, I like building things. I'm one of the top ten engineers on the planet right now, and have built a varying degree of things, from electric generation through indoor climate control through utilities and structures and all points in between. A very blessed and diverse path is the one I've walked here, you could say, and I haven't acquired any new major scars in a while, so, I'd be comfortable working on something new again. *smile*

[triquetra]

[Response #1 to an offer to help build physical structures. Discussion of this topic is a bit premature at this stage, we would have structures with no one aligned enough to contribute energy into their usefulness]

[Earthlink can play a key role in medium term if still reachable by the time project is ready to enter this phase]

[CD7]

Are we not our own structure (body) with unbelievable potential?....we are the antennas, we are the broadcasters, we are vibration, energy, light...we are already built! Keep building outside of yourselves.....tht should help!

[Earthlink]

... well, I'll tell you something ... the only thing you'd mentioned here that interested me was building something substantial towards the goal of making the world a better place. I'm in engineering, dictionary definition, and I do build, maintain and repair life systems: all of them. My confidence can be annoying, but in my mind it isn't without reason, for, I don't need anything from anyone, ever, and quite often it is the other way around.

In any event, making the world a better place. I don't know if you noticed or not, but the world is falling apart today. The biosphere is in free fall collapse at the moment. It would be almost impossible for me to, therefore, work on anything that doesn't at least address this too, for, your specific state of body or mind has very little to do with just keeping you here, in any form. Sometimes I think that that is what people talk about when they say making the world a better place. It's the most glaringly visible malady here.

[triquetra]

[Response #2 to an offer to help build physical structures. Discussion of this topic is a bit premature at this stage, we would have structures with no one aligned enough to contribute energy into their usefulness]

[Earthlink can play a key role in medium term if still reachable by the time project is ready to enter this phase]

[Flash]

please tell us more about the dammed up wave physic that you know about versus particle physic, for the layman please ;) since it is definitely not my field of expertise, and how you see it in relation to the human personal and societal development (including spiritual). Thanks

[triquetra]

Prose overview of how things likely came to be where they now stand

The first historical sign we have of this obfuscation of anything which can advance the human condition with the coordinated use of basic properties of waves seems to occur in the high Renaissance. There was a kind of music written at this time which has been ever since without equal, regarding its use of mathematically aligned combinations of sound waves. The intervals between notes in this kind of music created a kind of biological entrainment in listeners that caused them to feel a very close connection to the source, which they called "God".

For those who intended to use religion as a form of manipulation, however, this was a problem. The decision was made to create divisions in the religion that would allow for more conflict to occur, and at the same time lead music in a direction that would remove its most potent effect, by detuning all the intervals so that they were no longer mathematically proportionate.

Time erased all signs of this manipulation, and we have only the recordings made possible by surviving manuscripts and books like Kepler's Harmonices Mundi to remind us of the last time when the triquetra was seen as the very definition of what a proper education should be.

The era of the biased specialist began.

We can now fast forward to the time of the industrial revolution. Many wave-based advances in technology were made during this time, and each one was obfuscated by warping the public opinion of the individual involved so as to make a mockery of them.

One such individual was John Keely, whose work is survived by a fellow who may not have the needed ability to advance this technology http://www.svpvril.com/

There was also Tesla, who was problematic because some of his work was needed while the rest had to be obfuscated.

There were many more who I could find, but the pattern is the same - if they did any work that would lead toward a realization of the inherent interconnectedness of all things, the work would have to be pushed away, and if that individual's essential contribution was wholly centered around that work and only that work, then the individual would also have to be pushed to the point of irrelevance.

You can find the same pattern in the way the work of Louis de Broglie and David Bohm, the latter of whom could be allowed to continue as by then his voice was of no importance as it was lost in the crowd of fully indoctrinated particle physicists working on deepening the control layer without even realizing it.

You can now find a great many "drones" in the scientific circles, who will reinforce the illusory status quo by immediately mocking anything which does not follow a prescribed doctrine of beliefs about how reality operates in a heavily particle-physics-based interpretation.

The illusion has been woven a century-deep, and our reality shows all the signs of it.

The door is closing for the control layer to be undone, and the one remaining hope is a gathering of cooperation around the principles of wave physics which can be readily verified by techniques in biofeedback research.

Another individual closer to the present who was thinking along these lines was C Maxwell Cade, who wrote "The Awakened Mind" in 1979. This book remains the most advanced account of research to date on the subject, and hints at the possibilities that could be uncovered using even the most rudimentary principles of wave physics.

What you need to do is take all this and draw an outline based around intent.

There is a definite intent printed on this branch of the timeline, which is as follows: do not allow humans to discover their true nature. Keep them divided and in conflict. Do not allow a realization of collective reality nor their place within such a reality.

You will then be able to see definite and ongoing signs of this intent imprinted many places along the timeline.

Contrast this with fragments of memory which remain in oral traditions, texts including religious and secular texts, mystery schools, and you will see the ongoing struggle between trying to remember the very things that previous civilizations went well out of their way to try and pass along, and the intent to destroy that ability to remember.

This is the encoding of the 3rd density reality. The only way to escape it is to have humanity find a way to break past this barrier no matter how heavily it is imposed upon us.

Although individuals may be able to do it (monks, spiritual adepts, yogis, fakirs, scholars of Gurdjieff's teachings, etc.), nothing will change unless a critical mass is achieved. Individuals who break through on their own but are unable to help others to do so as well contribute little or nothing towards achieving this critical mass, and so they too have their souls caught in a limbo that is wedged between densities rather than be wholly contained by the 3rd density. So their experience is not much different.

Take the Dali Lhama expressing that he will be unable to reincarnate, for example. He is explaining that we are losing this battle of oppression against our struggle to discover the ultimate meaning of our existence, and so we may be due for another long cycle (where civilization destroys itself and eventually the souls will find themselves in some sort of similar growth of a civilization once again).

But this is not completely determined, however. The main card played by oppressors is that it is not spiritually appropriate for individuals who can and have broken through to help others to do so as well - each individual must progress internally enough to do it entirely by their own initiative, otherwise breaking through is not genuine for that soul.

The main card played by the boats-people (travelers who journey between the two densities in order to assist others to reach the next density) is that if there is too much oppression, souls do not stand any decent chance at making this progress because any time anyone does, all the clues that should be left to make it easy for others to do it are covered up, new conflicts are triggered to worsen conditions, some individuals are directly blocked from progressing, the list goes on.

Right now the hands are heavily stacked in favor of the oppressors and this is evident throughout the current reality.

To give a very recent example, the entire "New Age" movement has been riddled by a manipulation technique one might call "truth-lie sewing" since it began. Some of this is done directly, some is done by misleading those who have made steps towards breaking out but lost their momentum, some done by individuals misleading themselves, some has been programmed directly into reality itself.

There is an extremely large quantity of information available now, but no way to determine what can be trusted and what cannot. Humans have been led well away from the ability to intuit the authenticity of information and so we have a capsized ship that was destined for the other side, with many people not sinking or swimming but simply treading water indefinitely.

The model for reality is so incredibly distorted and biased towards divisive interpretations (particle physics without a proportional understanding of wave physics is an extremely divisive way to see reality) that it is completely reflected in our experience. The music and art is hollow and empty without any recent understanding of what unifies shapes and colors and notes in a mathematically appropriate manner, something we could do much better centuries ago.

And now, to explain the dam.

A working theory is that this manipulation of reality was intended for a very specific reason - to design the civilization of humanity itself as a kind of "reality discharge". It was suspected that inevitably, no matter how much suppression and obfuscation that there was, the true nature of our reality would eventually be discovered in a way that could no longer be concealed.

In terms of linear time, if all this discovery happened in a very compressed timespan (it will all be bursting forth in the years to come), this would lead to a very unique redirection of reality that has us building things to make up for the distorted mess of our reality we find ourselves, in *instead* of having built things in an alternate timeline which would have simply led to a sustainable life on earth, exploration of space, the "usual" (in terms of planetary civilization theory, something I wish to discuss more about).

So what these harmonic lattices are going to do (which may not have been created at all in many alternate timelines), is funnel a massive outpouring of blocked creative energy all at once outwards beyond the subspectrum caps of reality (beyond the borders of the universe on the macro, and down into the areas of space much much smaller than the sub-atomic particles we now study), which might have extremely unusual implications, such as breaking density barriers that extend far and away from what humanity is intended to transition between (i.e. 3rd-4th-5th).

So a somewhat shocking implication of this is that in this timeline, the entire modern civilization of humanity is being guided in a way that makes planet earth and what will happen on it in the coming years (which no one currently expects and is not being forecast at all) be a kind of discharge that shakes the barriers between densities.

It is possible that the alien entities are trapped at a level of density with no perceivable way out and wish to use humanity as a vehicle with which to get out of this density.

Perhaps they see that if they were created in some way that it is imperfect (i.e. with no emotion), then it is the fault of the creator and not them for programming reality in such a way that causes them to be stuck while they witness other civilizations evolving away from their level of reality over and over and over again.

It is not totally clear, and more exotic RV sessions are needed to try and paint a clearer picture of what is happening here.

What I can say for certain is that the harmonic lattice nodes which will gradually connect together across the world to form the global harmonic lattice can only be designed in a way that follows the very mathematics and physics with which our reality has been programmed, so it is not up to us to determine how other entities do or do not attach themselves to what we do as we use our understanding of the underlying nature of our reality to ascend from one density to another.

This leads back to the topic of alignment.

Another theory is that these entities are essentially acting as the gatekeepers of reality (whether they themselves realize they are used to serve a higher purpose even if they are trying to act of their own accord, or not), and are meant to tempt those souls who would be so tempted in a way that will lead them back into another long cycle, while the rest can evolve to another density (and so a new way of experiencing reality).

This theory is easier to understand because it lures those souls who would be tempted with wealth and power that is obtained at the expense of the welfare of others, and assures them that bloodlines will assist to ensure the same souls will come back life after life into the same positions so that the wealth and power can be maintained from life to life.

This temptation trickles downward and gradually a large net is cast upon all souls whose impurities show themselves through conscious decisions to do things they would know are wrong for personal gain.

The unfortunate consequence of this however, is that their biological state gradually loses capacity for alignment, meaning when the time came to activate the harmonic lattice and change density, their misalignment would cause for them to be left behind. It was the responsibility of the entities which originally tempted them to filter out these impure souls so that they would go back through another long cycle to try and learn what is needed to ascend and change densities.


My best answer currently is that there is some element of truth to both these theories while neither one is totally correct (as with everything, right?). I would not want to be a life form that was perpetually tasked with managing the ascension process of other life forms, that's for sure. It would probably get pretty boring after awhile.

Anyway, if at least some kind of hazy idea of what the incredibly important differences are here between our understanding of particle and wave physics actually are, and the inherent differences in the mathematical systems of understanding we base off them are, then hopefully something of value has been communicated in this post.

I will try to get better with practice. It is a problem which has persisted for years as none of this information ever came in a verbal form (nor will it ever). It is always being decoded from symbolic information streams and so there will always be plenty lost in translation.

[CD7]

So what these harmonic lattices are going to do (which may not have been created at all in many alternate timelines), is funnel a massive outpouring of blocked creative energy all at once outwards beyond the subspectrum caps of reality (beyond the borders of the universe on the macro, and down into the areas of space much much smaller than the sub-atomic particles we now study), which might have extremely unusual implications, such as breaking density barriers that extend far and away from what humanity is intended to transition between (i.e. 3rd-4th-5th).


These harmonic lattices sound similar to large scale meditation/crystal bowl/reiki type actions.....correct me if im wrong but your being vague about the process...

How is this process different from wht other esoteric groups have been trying to do since the early 19th century?

[triquetra]

This is all based off of modern technology only available today. Anything from a home edition to a massive structure that can fit large amounts of people can realize the same thing to a greater or lesser degree. The biggest problem is how to isolate an environment so you have control of the wave energy across the entire frequency spectrum. If you have all kinds of noise, electromagnetic interference, radio interference, cell tower signals, etc., you're not going to make a very strong lattice.

A home edition might work better if someone lives outside of the city, or if they can isolate themselves from interference somehow otherwise.

Once you are getting good harmonic alignment across vibrations you can feel, hear, and see, some incredible things will start to happen. I know this because I have experimented on myself extensively.

The idea is to create permanent connections to the other side. Once you start to live yourself on the other side, you will find that you are only acting here. All of this has already happened, you are just watching yourself do all the things you knew you would do already, say all the things you knew you would say already.

You can't totally prevent unexpected things from happening, but you can lend your gravity towards reaching a future that aligns with where you now operate from.

There is a lot more to explain, it has to be piece by piece. I can't honestly say that what I am saying now is coming from a point of view based in the year 2015. When you map all of the probable and even many improbable futures, you can see how we navigate futures and what things change which future we realize, it makes sense.

"Ascension" is a seriously overloaded term we should probably do away with. "Reaching the other side", or even "Reaching Avalon" is much better. You are really not playing the game, once you actually start "playing the game". I don't mean to be backwards, but "truth paradoxes" are probably the greatest truths of all.

4th way thought is orthogonal to dualistic thought.

[Flash]

Your form of thinking Triquetra is interesting.

I do not know how "the book" will be written, through time I presume, but the process seems interesting.

As you lead the writing, I am eager to see where you are going and see if I can have any input.

Also, I am eager to see who may participate.

Thanks for what you brought up - up to now

[Flash]

Sure thing.

And now, to explain the dam.

A working theory is that this manipulation of reality was intended for a very specific reason - to design the civilization of humanity itself as a kind of "reality discharge". It was suspected that inevitably, no matter how much suppression and obfuscation that there was, the true nature of our reality would eventually be discovered in a way that could no longer be concealed.

In terms of linear time, if all this discovery happened in a very compressed timespan (it will all be bursting forth in the years to come), this would lead to a very unique redirection of reality that has us building things to make up for the distorted mess of our reality we find ourselves, in *instead* of having built things in an alternate timeline which would have simply led to a sustainable life on earth, exploration of space, the "usual" (in terms of planetary civilization theory, something I wish to discuss more about).

So what these harmonic lattices are going to do (which may not have been created at all in many alternate timelines), is funnel a massive outpouring of blocked creative energy all at once outwards beyond the subspectrum caps of reality (beyond the borders of the universe on the macro, and down into the areas of space much much smaller than the sub-atomic particles we now study), which might have extremely unusual implications, such as breaking density barriers that extend far and away from what humanity is intended to transition between (i.e. 3rd-4th-5th).

So a somewhat shocking implication of this is that in this timeline, the entire modern civilization of humanity is being guided in a way that makes planet earth and what will happen on it in the coming years (which no one currently expects and is not being forecase at all) be a kind of discharge that shakes the barriers between densities.

It is possible that the alien entities are trapped at a level of density with no perceivable way out and wish to use humanity as a vehicle with which to get out of this density.


Bingo. I had heard that possibility from simon Parkes amongst others. If it is the case, I do not think it could work, the reason being that it would be driven by those who put themselves into that situation to start with. They do not have the sufficient foresight to see what has to be done on one hand.

On the other hand, they are starting with the premises that THEY have to be in control at all time, once again, which is what trapped them to start with. You cannot find a solution by looking at it from the same standpoint, at the same level.

Finally, they are still working within the divisive context, trying to control the experiment, rather than working in the individualist but cooperative/collective working out, that they should have asked from humanity. If humanity was to be their helpers, it had to be conscious and aware choice of collaboration, instead of being pushed on humanity in a secretive way as it is being done actually.

And humanity should have no price to pay for this helping, since the baby here (humanity) is helping the bigger mistaken brother (Mantids and Dracs here for example).

This is not what I am seeing right now. Awareness would make it all for all the species involved - this would also mean disclosure and no more lies and secrets.


Perhaps they see that if they were created in some way that it is imperfect (i.e. with no emotion), then it is the fault of the creator and not them for programming reality in such a way that causes them to be stuck while they witness other civilizations evolving away from their level of reality over and over and over again.

It is not totally clear, and more exotic RV sessions are needed to try and paint a clearer picture of what is happening here.

What I can say for certain is that the harmonic lattice nodes which will gradually connect together across the world to form the global harmonic lattice can only be designed in a way that follows the very mathematics and physics with which our reality has been programmed, so it is not up to us to determine how other entities do or do not attach themselves to what we do as we use our understanding of the underlying nature of our reality to ascend from one density to another.

This leads back to the topic of alignment.

Another theory is that these entities are essentially acting as the gatekeepers of reality, and are meant to tempt those souls who would be so tempted in a way that will lead them back into another long cycle, while the rest can evolve to another density (and so a new way of experiencing reality).

Bingo. Quite possible too. However, i see a place where the gatekeepers are so efficient that they kill the host withing their gates. As some viruses and bacterias will end up killing thier host and not be able to reproduce. What about both possibilities being worked on at the same time?

This theory is easier to understand because it lures those souls who would be tempted with wealth and power that is obtained at the expense of the welfare of others, and assures them that bloodlines will assist to ensure the same souls will come back life after life into the same positions so that the wealth and power can be maintained from life to life.

This temptation trickles downward and gradually a large net is cast upon all souls whose impurities show themselves through conscious decisions to do things they would know are wrong for personal gain.

The unfortunate consequence of this however, is that their biological state gradually loses capacity for alignment, meaning when the time came to activate the harmonic lattice and change density, their misalignment would cause for them to be left behind. It was the responsibility of the entities which originally tempted them to filter out these impure souls so that they would go back through another long cycle to try and learn what is needed to ascend and change densities.

It may be exactly what happened to those entities using humanityto a point where there is no going back.


My best answer currently is that there is some element of truth to both these theories while neither one is totally correct (as with everything, right?). I would not want to be a life form that was perpetually tasked with managing the ascension process of other life forms, that's for sure. It would probably get pretty boring after awhile.

Anyway, if at least some kind of hazy idea of what the incredibly important differences are here between our understanding of particle and wave physics actually are, and the inherent differences in the mathematical systems of understanding we base off them are, then hopefully something of value has been communicated in this post.

I will try to get better with practice. It is a problem which has persisted for years as none of this information ever came in a verbal form (nor will it ever). It is always being decoded from symbolic information streams and so there will always be plenty lost in translation.

These are all words that will be leading to some very decisive and concrete communications (writing of a book interactively, right here, in this thread) and actions (the building of the first prototype nodes of the harmonic lattice).

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[triquetra]

i think the best thing to do next will be to teach a particular breathing technique for meditation that will allow you to preview the harmonic lattice. if you do it right you are guaranteed an out of body experience, 100% of the time (if you are biologically aligned, you need to be in fairly good health and of fairly good intent). I'll repost the original instructions from the forum that was used for the training years

Steps for the Technique:


This breathing technique was developed during an international workshop that spanned several years during the 2000s. There were participants from all continents and the results were very good in general. For best results, general ability in meditation prior to attempting the technique is recommended, as is a generally good state of health.

5TH DIMENSION MEDITATION

Take the most relaxed position possible. For most it is lying flat on the back, some it is a reclined position. An unguided meditation audio file lasting a minimum of 30 minutes is very helpful. I can personally recommend many of the audio sessions available from Dr. Jeffrey Thompson.

http://scientificsounds.com/index.php/sound-store/meditation

(Theta brainwave frequency is a good target for this technique. Most meditators can have difficulty remaining awake in Delta or Epsilon state, while the Alpha state may not be deep enough for best results)

With or without the assistance of a meditation audio file, first imagine the following reality:

We live in a network of infinite parallel universes. Your set of parallel universes exist along the fractal scale. For example, if you imagine yourself lying on the bed or reclined, and you "zoom out" your perspective, you will begin to notice everything getting smaller and smaller. If it helps, imagine your "camera" moving away from the earth as things become smaller. You see the building you are in as you zoom out (or the area you are in if you are outside), then gradually the part of the city you are in (or area of the countryside), then zoom out more and you start to see the connections of different cities, towns and villages. Keep zooming out and now the region becomes small enough you see the part of the country it is in, and then the country becomes smaller and you see many countries, the coastlines, and finally you are seeing from above the planet that side of the planet where the very center of your perspective is the part of the earth your body is physically located at.

But don't stop there. Keep zooming out and your planet starts to become smaller, and you see it in relation to other planets and the sun. Then the whole solar system starts to come into perspective, and you see it in relation to other systems. Keep zooming and you start to see so many of these that you are seeing more and more of the galaxy, with your solar system at the very center. Zoom out still more and you start to see many galaxies, with your galaxy at the center of that.

Finally you are zooming out beyond the edges of the universe, and suddenly you hit a 'ridge'. At this ridge point, the entire universe is so zoomed out it is becoming just a dot. But you see things orbiting the dot, and realize it is actually an atom. Zoom out more and you see all the atoms in a molecule, then many molecules together making up a material. Zoom out still more and you "come out" of the material to see it is actually your body. You are back at the same point you left off at, but you are visualizing a parallel universe to your own (one of "your own" parallel universes).

You probably know what the opposite is going to be by now. From this perspective, you go through the exact opposite sequence of layers - down to the size of an atom, and then smaller, you hit the ridge and then you are zooming into a universe, galaxy, solar system, planet, location on planet, and finally back to your body.

Now, for the actual breathing technique.

First of all, breathing in is linked to zooming out. Exhaling is linked to zooming in.

Second, visualizing this much is very difficult at first. So don't go too far at the beginning.

You can start to slowly breathe in and out, and try to go a little further zooming out and in each time.

Maybe be quite conservative at the beginning. On the first breath in (once you are ready to start), try zooming out just enough to see your building/area, and then breath out and go "past your body" into your body, but just a bit (many molecules).

The important thing is that you anchor your ordinary perspective to exactly halfway between in-breath and out-breath. This is what takes the most practice (not the zooming part, at least after a bit of practice).

Now with each successive breath, try to go a little bit further. Imagine further and further up off the planet, and down deeper into the molecular and then atomic structure of your body. Pick a central spot on your body. Some people pick their stomach area, ie their belly button. Other people prefer the center of their brain, ie their pineal gland. This part does not matter so much. Pick whatever makes the most sense to you.

Now, this breathing technique doesn't end at one layer "above" and one layer "below" your current layer. It actually just begins with that.

When I am doing the technique, I consider the time it takes to get from my current universe to one universe above (in breath) and one universe below (out breath) just the warm-up stage. The main part of the technique begins after you are doing this quite comfortably.

Now, I mentioned the exact moment when the micro flips to macro (when you visualize the transition between universe and sub-atomic particle, or nucleus of an atom) as a "ridge". It's important to pay attention only to keeping your physical location's reality at the center of your breath, and to these ridges. The following will explain why.

After mastering going through three layers between fully inhaled to fully exhaled, try to work towards 5 layers.

When you breath in, zoom out more quickly so you go past the fractal scale of your body in a parallel universe above yours, and zoom out from that one, to try to get to the layer above that one. Again, always stop however far you get by the end of your breath, and then zoom back in for exhale. Similarly, go past the fractal scale of your body in a parallel universe below yours as you exhale, and try to reach the next layer below that one.

Pretty soon you will be going between 5 layers from fully inhaled to fully exhaled.

Then, try for 7, then 9, 11, 13, etc., until you begin to lose count. Stop paying so much attention to the count, and just pay attention to the ridges between universes.

You will start to feel the "texture" of these ridges once you are going past enough of them as you inhale and exhale. It will begin to take on a frequency of it's own, a very low note that turns on when you start inhaling or exhaling, and turns off once you are fully inhaled or exhaled.

As you go past more and more ridges, the frequency that is sounding by passing through the ridges will start to go up. Some people picture this frequency as a harmonic (musical) note, whereas others picture it more as a percussive sort of thing, like when you thumb through a bunch of pages from a notebook and feel the flick of each page faster or slower depending on how much pressure you apply (most people picture it this was actually).

Either way, just keep zooming in and out faster and go further each time, but don't accelerate your zooming too quickly. This acceleration in zooming should be happening over a fairly long period of time. Ideally in a 1 hour meditation session, you can spend as long as 30 minutes just slowly, slowly zooming faster and faster.

No matter your preference, eventually the ridges will start to blur together. You are almost there!

At the end of this process, all the ridges fully melt together, and at this point you may notice you have lost all connection to the layer of reality within the infinite layers of realities that contains your physical body (the "middlemost layer"). You are having an out-of-body experience!

I don't want to go into too much detail about what happens when you reach this moment, so as not to spoil the surprise.

I am not so sure how to categorize this technique, maybe it is an "advanced" technique, but then maybe there are people who have never tried meditation much but could imagine what I am talking about well enough to do it properly.

Generally one of the big advantages is that you are giving your mind something to do while meditating, which means it is too busy to distract you with random thoughts (those random thoughts will prevent your brainwaves from going any lower than middle-alpha, for the most part).

Anyways, I had a request to explain the technique, so here it is. My first shot at describing it on this forum (second time describing it ever, and I still don't feel like I describe it very well..)

Hopefully anyone interested will be able to fill in the missing gaps themselves, but feel free to ask any questions.

Work on Book 1 of Triquetra is ongoing, but I am trying to divide it into post-sized chunks so I can publish it to posts in this thread gradually rather than something really massive all at once.

The Science of Art is the most useful chapter to start with as it will explain a lot of the foundational theory that will go into building harmonic lattices and other harmonic devices in the near future.

[Scottoz]

Hi guys

I have felt some inner shifts happening from being exposed to the concepts being discussed here. So am very appreciative.

In terms of getting a better understanding of 3d, 4d and 5d obviously there are different creational rules operating at each level. What are the main defining qualities of each level of experience at each level?

Also it is apparent we are a food source for something that operates in 4d, I have noticed that at times when I sleep, my dreams have often been influenced by entities to produce intense emotional reactions. I have learned to combat this since becoming aware of it, but I guess I am pretty ignorant of the motives and ecology of what goes on in 4d, from what I have read these trapped entities in 4d are not capable of having emotions, so is this why they seek to harvest our emotions in the way they do and they impose their creation on us basically drawing on our energy so that they can exist outside of the light and stay stagnated in creation?

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Hi guys

I have felt some inner shifts happening from being exposed to the concepts being discussed here. So am very appreciative.

In terms of getting a better understanding of 3d, 4d and 5d obviously there are different creational rules operating at each level. What are the main defining qualities of each level of experience at each level?

Also it is apparent we are a food source for something that operates in 4d, I have noticed that at times when I sleep, my dreams have often been influenced by entities to produce intense emotional reactions. I have learned to combat this since becoming aware of it, but I guess I am pretty ignorant of the motives and ecology of what goes on in 4d, from what I have read these trapped entities in 4d are not capable of having emotions, so is this why they seek to harvest our emotions in the way they do and they impose their creation on us basically drawing on our energy so that they can exist outside of the light and stay stagnated in creation?

Cheers

Scott

How have the inner shifts progressed in the 2nd half of 2015, ScottOz?

3d is as you know it to be. We spend much time generating meta-perspectives of 3d, but it is just as well to describe perspectives of 4d and 5d instead, which in turn produce all the needed metaperspective of 3d in how they contrast.

4d I cannot explain in as much detail, since as mentioned in the other thread, it relates not to my (partial) origin nor my focus. But it is a truly important part of the picture emerging here 2016-2020 and most likely onwards.

It is a path, a choice, symptomatic of a parabolic function, in a sense 3D^2 (3D squared). It is a pursuit towards the dimension of time as a literal, focusing on the semi-illusion of linear time in a literal sense, and perhaps a desire to achieve a mastery of it.

It does not relinquish the direct interaction with the physical, but forms pathways with it, the hidden hands.

It is a plane of reality where conscious manipulations of time are made in an effort to achieve a specific effect. It does not relinquish any amount of control to dimensional flow, instead, seeking to gain as much control as possible.

It has potential in certain particulars of the mathematics involved, but this potential is not wielded to the fullest capacity by its inhabitants.

This last notion, and a strong potential of changing this due to increasing trans-dimensional interaction in the coming years between all three of the dimensions, will have a strong repercussion in many "future outcomes" (quantum measurements).

The implications involved relate to the factors relating to alterations to the structure of the universe (and how it interacts within the metaverse) as relating to these outcomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_dodecahedron#Shape_of_the_universe

This segues well to 5D, a dimension relating not to time but to micro/macro zoom, bearing the same kind of illusion of infinite nature as does linear time (of course neither one is truly infinite in the sense we might think it is, which is actually transfinite).

As you can see, physical regularity becomes more of an issue when dwelling in 5D because you don't exactly shrink and grow the physical manifestation of yourself when you travel along this axis. Traveling through time, on the other hand, has no such issues.

5D by its very nature relates to understanding of the birds eye view, first person view, and the interaction (simultaneity) between them. There is no one "you", there is more to "you" than a 3D first person you, and this is not as hard to believe for us as it would be to someone some amount of time ago.

But it is one thing to understand the theory as an idea, and another to practice it.

So 4D maybe makes more sense in contrast to this, as again, there is the desire more so to stick with the defined essence of one's own physical manifestation, regardless of time frame. So long as there is a fixed first person perspective.

This is not shared in 5D, it is more drift between collective consciousness and unique consciousness, an eternal flow.

Words simply cannot work terribly well at digging into the real heart of this, there is simply too much of a gap in the way of representing the thoughtforms. But why not try anyway. It is just important to be clear about this.

[triquetra]

Regarding your other question, it is a complex topic. An entity like Bashar for example would argue that everything about this is based on a previous agreement, that in some way we "sign up" for the situation. Given the awareness of the meta-layers of experiential reality, it is hard to deny this, however there is always a thrashing effect in the exchange of energies because new ways of resolving various situations are always possible (so long as there is always the potential for new input to the system from outside of it).

What is at hand here is an opportunity to defuse a longstanding situation that is not really particularly beneficial for many of the lifeforms involved. A strong opportunity for collective benefit. But you have hit the nail so squarely on the head, it's a topic that was even a bit early for 2015, but fresh for 2016, so we will continue to work through it in the time to come.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your post, I think I have made a lot more progress in the last part of the year.

I have noticed that I am getting a lot more dream download information coming through and I often have the thought in my dreams that the information that I am getting is very significant, but then I lose it as I start to wake up before I can even note it down. Hopefully, my subconscious mind is getting it all still. I am not entirely sure what purpose this serves.

I have also been taking the concepts of 3d, 4d and 5d in my sleep and it has started to drip into my dreams so to speak, so hopefully this will program my subconscious mind for some future purpose.

I have always known that there is an outer matrix/illusion but I think over the last part of the year, it has had less of an effect on me too. I have been more able to pull away from it and get less caught up in its stories and dramas too.

I agree we need to get a better picture of the 3d 4d and 5d continuum, I know I do, only so I am better able to wrap my mind around some of the concepts when I have not had my own particular experiences outside of 3d. I guess it would be like trying to explain what a bananna tastes like to an Eskimo who has never had the opportunity to taste one.

When we sleep do our minds go to 4d and what relationship does this have to this dimension?

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Regarding your other question, it is a complex topic. An entity like Bashar for example would argue that everything about this is based on a previous agreement, that in some way we "sign up" for the situation. Given the awareness of the meta-layers of experiential reality, it is hard to deny this, however there is always a thrashing effect in the exchange of energies because new ways of resolving various situations are always possible (so long as there is always the potential for new input to the system from outside of it).

What is at hand here is an opportunity to defuse a longstanding situation that is not really particularly beneficial for many of the lifeforms involved. A strong opportunity for collective benefit. But you have hit the nail so squarely on the head, it's a topic that was even a bit early for 2015, but fresh for 2016, so we will continue to work through it in the time to come.

In the meantime, it is time to start to lay out some of the most core concepts for the triquetra, beginning immediately.

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your post. I am looking forward to exploring some of these concepts further in 2016 too on this thread.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

I have not had my own particular experiences outside of 3d.

When we sleep do our minds go to 4d and what relationship does this have to this

Ah but you have. As you have yourself said, you just cannot remember it. This is a protective mechanism. The answer to both things you have written is the same answer.

We go to 4d or beyond every sleep because this is like the dream for that reality. We are already in limbo, in dimensional transition, but what's not normal is being lucid about it, having an overview that perhaps requires some ability to escape from the dimensional transitioning process itself.

This is why, for whatever reason, it's very difficult to connect on certain levels to others directly. It's like not even being there... almost desperately trying to find the magic combination of words that will trigger that "aha" moment, but there is no combination of words that can achieve it.

It's frustrating, because with post-verbal communication there would be no problem at all. It would be an instant transmission.

But now, here, there are gaps to bridge. We need to find a way. People are used to certain figures coming and going, promising grandiose things, and then disappearing when it doesn't happen.

People do not expect the infrequent but constant presence that will be here in the same capacity in 5 years, or 10 years, always willing to do the exact same thing, because it is what must be done.

We need to become more conscious of the process itself, rather than just letting it happen "over and above" us. This is something that becomes possible some degree of the way into the process.

There is a transition from 1st person perspective to meta perspective, the meta perspective is the most crucial thing to communicate - what it is, why it's important, how it's different from 1st person perspective everyone is so used to.

It is perhaps true that people would fear giving up some part of themselves for the collective consciousness. But this is not how it works. There is so much consensus in understanding reality, that hybrid individual/collective consciousness is totally more than the sum of its parts.

We keep all of our individual consciousness but benefit from having access to the vast information stores of the collective consciousness.

If only there was some way to prove everything being said here and now... to distinguish from the disinformationists who have come and went before.

The only surefire way is just by exhibiting the signature vibration... but if it cannot be recognized. There must be some other way.

ScottOz, why is it that you feel you need to know about these things, and that they are legitimate? You did come over from the remote viewing forum as well?

[Scottoz]

The only surefire way is just by exhibiting the signature vibration... but if it cannot be recognized. There must be some other way.

ScottOz, why is it that you feel you need to know about these things, and that they are legitimate? You did come over from the remote viewing forum as well?

Thanks Triquetra

Yep, you are giving me lots of Ah Ah moments, even though I don't understand all of the concepts that are discussed or maybe not with the same depth that you have after experiencing 5d.

I guess you are right, I have had a number of unusual experiences with OBEs, recollections of lives I have not led, lucid dreams, unusual coincidences, strange dreaming connections with other people when asleep etc over the years, so I suppose these experiences do relate to the 4d and 5d realms.

I did have the suspicion that our dream states had a relationship to 4d and 5d, but was not a hundred percent sure.

I understand that it is challenging to try to make people understand what you have seen and experienced through words, but for the moment there is no other way. I guess we have to build the bridge to 5d by making enough people understand that it is possible to get there and what it will be like and if enough people get it, we will be in a position to walk off into a different 5d world when the time comes.

I have seen a different world shortly before falling asleep, one that is cleaner, with more vivid colours, unpolluted and filled with more beautiful landscapes and I can move quite easily through it with my mind. So maybe this is the sort of the 5d world that has been made for us to experience?

I don't really have any doubts about the legitimacy of the 3d, 4d and 5d dimensions and our need to build a bridge from 3d to 5d and the topics discussed. It is apparent to me that this 3d world is broken beyond repair anyway.

My questions and interest in the topics are more linked to trying to fill in my gaps in understanding to have a more complete roadmap of the realms outside of 3d and how everything came to be in this creation and how the other dimensions affect and relate to this one and ultimately what we need to do to transition into 5d. I can feel the truth in your concepts and the same goes for what I learned through the RI/RV course that Gerald teaches too. I have been doing this more regularly now over the past 6 months too.

Hopefully my questions and your responses are also helping others too who are trying to wrap their minds around things, so they can have their own Ah Ah moments, as I still feel I am coming at things from a pretty basic level of understanding.

I can tell from your signature vibration that your message is true and it is something I want to be a part over the coming years. I came over from the remote viewing forum, I still go there occasionally, but there is not much activity any more, but there are lot of older posts are really good. I still do the RV/RI course regularly

It is perhaps true that people would fear giving up some part of themselves for the collective consciousness. But this is not how it works. There is so much consensus in understanding reality, that hybrid individual/collective consciousness is totally more than the sum of its parts.

We keep all of our individual consciousness but benefit from having access to the vast information stores of the collective consciousness.

It sounds like this is comparable to the jump we made when the internet first became available, we kind of have access to all of this information in the world and a higher degree of connectivity to everyone, but we still are our own persons too. Kind of sounds like we will have access to a spiritual internet soon. I wont be sad to see the end of Facebook.:bigsmile:


Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Thanks Scott. If people didn't know better, they might think it was one person having a conversation with themselves for the sake of keeping a thread active.

In fact, this is not true. But on the other hand, there are all the signs of definite progress in the direction I speak of. A foundation for the establishment of trust towards the communications of another (channeled, from them, or somewhere on the gray scale in between the two). Something based on vibrational certainty rather than speculation (we cannot quantify exactly the difference between feeling we might resonate with something vs getting strong congruently harmonic vibrations from a communication of another, but as long as we realize the notion there is a difference, it should be enough).

But there seems to be one additional ingredient that might otherwise be missing - whatever is the tool needed to gain the above. I think it may have to do with basic psychonautics, i.e. how to hold one's brainwaves in the lowered state where these types of evaluations can be done.

This is the problem with the fear state - the higher panicked (fight or flight) brainwaves are caused by fear owing to too much untempered intake of dissonant vibrations from the world around us - whether that be from issues relating to basic survival (I have heard Avalon members claiming this as their issue to studying the topics we are discussing more easily), issues relating to the dark reasons why things are the way they are (additional details provided in this thread should settle the matter on this in as little detail as necessary, as we should really just accept the situation as it stands and move on to what we can do about things rather than dwelling on the negatives forever), etc.

So what we have been provided in the training system (and I am sure there are many other systems that provide this), is a stabilization mechanism - a way of safeguarding the "normalness" of the brainwave contours over the 24 hour cycle. I have been studying this for years with the intention of providing direct assistance to go hand in hand with the kinds of theory and practice discussions that will accumulate in this thread.

You are fundamentally asking "My questions and interest in the topics are more linked to trying to fill in my gaps in understanding to have a more complete roadmap of the realms outside of 3d and how everything came to be in this creation and how the other dimensions affect and relate to this one and ultimately what we need to do to transition into 5d."

The best way to approach this is by understanding the interaction of 4D (time loops) and 5D (fractal loop) on reality.

One scenario we can build to illustrate this is that our civilization is in many ways a "replay" of previous civilizations that came and went before us. Any influences on the outcome of our reality have a lot to do with those who are still around from other civilizations that can influence it in one direction or the other.

Benevolent civilizations may have themselves had help and be wishing to pass along their assistance.
Harmful civilizations may have themselves been harmed by still previous civilizations and be unable to stop the cycle (the same way an abusive parent may have been abused and is unable to break the cycle even if they know what they are doing to their child is fundamentally wrong).
Alternatively, a harmful previous civilization may be using our civilization to study how they could have done things differently at a key moment to avoid a disastrous outcome such as one of the ones we see looming in the dystopian interpretation of our future.

(There are even interactions between benevolent and harmful previous civilizations which complicate matters even further, it's not as simple as applying dualistic "good" and "bad" notions, because the histories of civilizations are recursive, they go backward to prime creator in the same way we cannot "blame" anyone - a bad person may have been raised to be a bad person, by a parent who was raised to be bad, etc, etc, forever backwards to the symbolic snake at Adam and Eve)

Holding the above as probable, we can see evidence in history of both benevolent outside influence (guidance on electricity, etc) and harmful outside influence (the triggering of world wars, the insistence that clean energy take the back seat to fossil fuels, etc).

All in all, this is all largely out of our ability to influence.

So too, the dystopian split of an advanced version of our own civilization might one day be able to freely travel great distances in space, travel into parallel or alternate dimensions/realities, and "join in the fun" of messing around with lesser evolved civilizations to whatever ends.

So the important thing here is that there is a quantum unfolding of simultaneously possible dystopian and utopian futures, each leading to their own form of dimensional ascension.

All the "fun" is in determining which copy of reality you wind up experiencing.

People are fundamentally unwilling to believe that it's possible that reality would split along the two main branches of possibility (some form of utopian or dystopian future), but this is exactly what always happens. This is a basic limitation in the meta-structure of reality as it exists beyond these primary dimensional constraints.

The takeaway here is that you are only creating the utopian reality in the tiny bubble of your copy of the reality in the initial ascension phase, the second phase of it involves integration into partial collective consciousness at which point you are empathically bound to assist others to reach the utopian future as well.

Conversely the most deeply rooted dystopian adherents have fundamentally decided that reality should not be about following the "flow" or "rules" of a reality constructed from the outside (not realizing it was them all along), and rebelling against it, and similarly "dragging down" others who would follow that path.

It's all quite symmetric and mathematical from the outside perspective.

So perhaps Scottoz+, you would be equally interested in meta-dimensional perspectives that see the entire thing from the outside, as 5D is in one sense simply the Gates of Avalon, not Avalon itself.

The fractal fold tying back into the time loops (the repeating of history over and over again on larger or shorter timescales) is like the "down escalator" back into this mess.

That's the aspect of 5D we are looking at currently, in this context.

But the part of it that relates outwards to entirely non-3D and largely non-4D things is a whole other ball game. That is Avalon itself. You see a purified version of the Earth there largely because it could be co-created. It could be justified rationally by humanity being unencumbered from evolving much more quickly (no world wars, free energy, global electricity distribution scheme, etc).

But to be released into it we are karmaically bound (for whatever reason, you would see that by connecting to your higher self beyond the single incarnation level of reality) to do what we can to assist those who cannot so easily make the transition.

That is why it is not a personal thing - to ascend and then to individually depart. That is the real lesson. It is something we must do together.

But if we all help each other to firmly move on from living in a fear state and building the means we need to exit into 5D and beyond (harmonic alignment via globally networked lattices, along with the prerequisite individual ascension in order for one's biostate to entrain itself to the frequencies resonated in those harmonic chambers), then everything will be fine, after all, for reasons that are extremely difficult for many of us to believe in the present moment.

[CD7]

ME X Billions ((((((((((((((((((( 💝 ))))))))))))))))))))

[triquetra]

Work is ongoing at the top of this thread for drafting and bulking up overview of critical information.

On the other hand, the rest of the thread is edited down (at least in my own posts) to key dialogue, to help compare and contrast the axes of communication.

The "I"-shaped tower form consolidates and organizes information for 1-way transmission from writer to reader. That has certain limitations but can help to deliver complex compound information streams more efficiently, especially with a lot of editing.

The "-"-shaped dialog form illustrates the advantages of communication exchanges, where we can get to the bottom of things more easily than if no one is asking. We might have reached a point of arrival just above this post (or else, the conversation lost steam perhaps). Either way, progress is accomplished differently than when trying to edit together large chunks of information with no sounding board.

I think a hybrid solution is needed to build up the triquetra. Gradual (eBook) writing while carrying on the conversation. Shifting the key bits up into the book and organizing them.

If you smell that smell in the wind, there is a growing sentiment, we really want to move on from the dark nightmare around us that gets worse day by day. We need to do this together.. but we can do it.. if we do stick together.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

"If you smell that smell in the wind, there is a growing sentiment, we really want to move on from the dark nightmare around us that gets worse day by day. We need to do this together.. but we can do it.."

I hundred percent agree that we need to move out of this dark 3d experience, as you have said in earlier posts, our 3d experience could have been much different without all the negative interference from the 4d entities that have farmed us.

Do you still need us to show a stronger desire for this to be, even if we just desire it in our meditations and dreams for you to get a stronger connection to allow the I formation to flow for this work to be done?

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

"So perhaps Scottoz+, you would be equally interested in meta-dimensional perspectives that see the entire thing from the outside, as 5D is in one sense simply the Gates of Avalon, not Avalon itself"

I am looking forward to having this perspective in the future. I am not there yet though. Strangely enough sometimes when I dream I am aware of my own self, but I can also be dislocated in someone else's life as though it is my own. I have only become aware that quite a lot of stuff happens to us when we are asleep. I would normally not become aware of it, but sometimes, my cat or a noise outside will wake me up, and I will have recollections of what is happening in dreamland.

I probably have a bit of work to do on myself before I get there, but it is something that I am continuing to work on. The brainwave entrainment audios are really helpful, I particularly like the lambda state as I can get quite deep into it. I have been doing these regularly too. Have you approched Gerald about working on some of your harmonic alignment audios jointly with Gerald, as he seems pretty good at producing this stuff too, just from what I have seen from the RV/RI course. About 18 months ago, he said he was about to release a new course, but I have not heard too much about it since.

I think some of your allignment techniques and technologies that you have mentioned will help a fair few of us reach 5d awareness, then you will have a few more of us to help carry the load and help others get there and it will just be a cascade from that point on.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Hi Triquetra

"If you smell that smell in the wind, there is a growing sentiment, we really want to move on from the dark nightmare around us that gets worse day by day. We need to do this together.. but we can do it.."

I hundred percent agree that we need to move out of this dark 3d experience, as you have said in earlier posts, our 3d experience could have been much different without all the negative interference from the 4d entities that have farmed us.

Do you still need us to show a stronger desire for this to be, even if we just desire it in our meditations and dreams for you to get a stronger connection to allow the I formation to flow for this work to be done?

Cheers

Scott

It's really my own fault trying to do a million things at once. When the information I received began to decode, it laid out a blueprint involving a lot of training, research, education, harsh and difficult learning experiences, other extremely enlightening and wonderful learning experiences, and a grueling slope of self improvement, casting off the dark energies that manipulate thoughts and try to make you sabotage yourself, etc.

This tail bit is probably the real culprit in the slow pace, because there is nothing else I can see in the way of making progress. Being of sound mind is difficult to maintain, to move swiftly and deliberately in the flow of those million things and to keep sorting the priorities to make the most progress without pushing one self too hard.

In a way, rallying everyone together to find common ground around the idea of us each taking our own kind of responsibility for getting through to the other side of this is just as important as building up a text.

I wanted to get into some more subtle aspects of all this, relating to feeling different energies in the air, like how the energy of this year is very different from last year, which was still part of the initial struggle (this year we are seeing early signs of the release from that struggle).

Things don't work in such a clear cut way from one year to another, but they are convenient markers for indicating the process. The real "prep work" for reality is always happening behind the scenes, something our spirits have as much to do with as our daily actions have in the apparent "real world".

So in a way, it is that struggle I am continuing to undergo as the resistance remains (but weakens) in that spirit world. If I have found my peace, can collect my thoughts, and devote more and more large amounts of time to lay it out when that channel is wide open and the noise in the signal is low, then it will start to come.

I really want to expand on the Science of Art because that is where all the ground work is laid for everything that comes after. It should be a short term goal to go together with the meditation audio files that will be constructed in specific ways that are powerful beyond the placebo effect, if again, the proper state of mind can be entered into to construct those with as well.

[triquetra]

Hi Triquetra

"So perhaps Scottoz+, you would be equally interested in meta-dimensional perspectives that see the entire thing from the outside, as 5D is in one sense simply the Gates of Avalon, not Avalon itself"

I am looking forward to having this perspective in the future. I am not there yet though. Strangely enough sometimes when I dream I am aware of my own self, but I can also be dislocated in someone else's life as though it is my own. I have only become aware that quite a lot of stuff happens to us when we are asleep. I would normally not become aware of it, but sometimes, my cat or a noise outside will wake me up, and I will have recollections of what is happening in dreamland.

I probably have a bit of work to do on myself before I get there, but it is something that I am continuing to work on. The brainwave entrainment audios are really helpful, I particularly like the lambda state as I can get quite deep into it. I have been doing these regularly too. Have you approched Gerald about working on some of your harmonic alignment audios jointly with Gerald, as he seems pretty good at producing this stuff too, just from what I have seen from the RV/RI course. About 18 months ago, he said he was about to release a new course, but I have not heard too much about it since.

I think some of your allignment techniques and technologies that you have mentioned will help a fair few of us reach 5d awareness, then you will have a few more of us to help carry the load and help others get there and it will just be a cascade from that point on.

Cheers

Scott

Thanks for those words of encouragement. I had approached him a few times along the way in years past but I was most definitely not ready to contribute what I thought I could (I certainly wasn't here in this forum back in 08-10!)

That is not because I could not produce the materials when in sound mind, it was because I had so much difficulty establishing sound mind with so much resistance against me at the spirit level. I am finding myself ravaged after sleep, sore from clenched jaws, as though a battle is raging in that level and we are fighting together against the oppression that is desperately trying to keep us stuck where we are now.

But you can see it all around you, the tides are turning because this prison reality was never meant to be, it was entirely manufactured and can not be sustained no matter what is done to maintain it, when from higher levels of reality there is not agreement that those manipulations are a reasonable way to accept a gift of co-creation (this right here is the symbolic division point between 4D and 5D, by the way... there is a giving in to collective consciousness and co-creation that comes with ascension into 5D, whereas 4D is all about control and creating entirely on one's own terms, with artificial collective consciousnesses taking the place of natural ones, which are the ones where you are free to come and go as you please).

I know enough to know when I would be ready to try working together with him, because by then I would have already made enough of my own unguided material to fill a proper amount of time and see its effects in the data. I have come close in many cases but making a universal audio series is a big challenge that took a lot of initial research to find a way to pull it off. The research mainly had to do with understanding just how far many of us have to go, the ones that are the most trapped with dark energies deeply tapping into us and making us behave in ways our spirit bodies would never want for us.

I have studied it extensively in years past, both in digital communities and in the real world. I wanted to really understand what it would take to free even the most difficult to free individuals, and finally this year I had a sense of what it would take.

So what I will likely end up with is a series of progressive files, the first of which will have very little effect on those who are already well on their way, but will do wonders for those who would be the least likely to even try them (the ones with a thick "outer skin" of negative energy that pervades their day-to-day behaviors and would cause them to look down on this sort of thing). These would be the "breakthrough" set of materials that don't really take a person anywhere but resonate into them to find that single point of centering, like an oasis, a point of peace that temporarily pulls them out of the darkness.

Meanwhile, the next set of materials are designed for people open to these ideas, and are the ones that will start to bring people a little further on their way.

From there, a third set will open the portal for creative energy flow back into this reality through those continuing further on with them, helping to accelerate the solutions that are needed in the transformation from Earth to Terra.

The final set is used in conjunction with structures to activate transportation, temporarily at first but with greater refinement more and more crossover will occur. This final set induces the awakened mind state.

So everything is lined up now, it's just a matter of devoting the time first to find and anchor to that state of eternal peace of mind, and then the rest will take care of itself.

I am watching out for the additional wrenches that might get thrown into the wheels of the project, to foresee them ahead of time and steer so that the wheels keep rolling despite the sabotage attempts. I think the sabotage will stop when finally, an understanding is reached that there are better ways for all parties to get what they *really* want (not what they think they want) without resorting to hostage situations using entire civilizations against the higher dimensions until a response is returned. We can all move on from this.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your response.

I think the energies have lightened up this year, and I felt that they lightened up a bit last year too for me. I had went through a few years where I almost felt sabotaged on some of the decisions I had made. The sort of things in life where you had wished you had turned left rather than right at the decision crossroads, where the most unlikley things would occur on the decision fork you had chosen, it was a bit annoying when I had weighed the two different options very carefully. It is funny looking back now, but am ever watchful on my thoughts as I am aware how easily our thoughts can be influenced by external negative thought entities which infest our reality. Especially whilst we are asleep.

I spend time each day to try to get into alignment by meditating in nature, walking barefoot on the grass, doing regular exercise, spending some time with my pets and eating healthy unprocessed food. I probably need to get a better water filtration unit, as I don't think it strips out enough floride out of our drinking water. Floride is pretty hard to get out of the water once they put it in.

It would be an interesting discussion or thread to start up about what things do people do to stay in alignment? As everything is built from this and establishing a series of positive daily practices and working on things that don't serve us.

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

"So perhaps Scottoz+, you would be equally interested in meta-dimensional perspectives that see the entire thing from the outside, as 5D is in one sense simply the Gates of Avalon, not Avalon itself"

I am looking forward to having this perspective in the future. I am not there yet though. Strangely enough sometimes when I dream I am aware of my own self, but I can also be dislocated in someone else's life as though it is my own. I have only become aware that quite a lot of stuff happens to us when we are asleep. I would normally not become aware of it, but sometimes, my cat or a noise outside will wake me up, and I will have recollections of what is happening in dreamland.

I probably have a bit of work to do on myself before I get there, but it is something that I am continuing to work on. The brainwave entrainment audios are really helpful, I particularly like the lambda state as I can get quite deep into it. I have been doing these regularly too. Have you approched Gerald about working on some of your harmonic alignment audios jointly with Gerald, as he seems pretty good at producing this stuff too, just from what I have seen from the RV/RI course. About 18 months ago, he said he was about to release a new course, but I have not heard too much about it since.

I think some of your allignment techniques and technologies that you have mentioned will help a fair few of us reach 5d awareness, then you will have a few more of us to help carry the load and help others get there and it will just be a cascade from that point on.

Cheers

Scott

Thanks for those words of encouragement. I had approached him a few times along the way in years past but I was most definitely not ready to contribute what I thought I could (I certainly wasn't here in this forum back in 08-10!)

That is not because I could not produce the materials when in sound mind, it was because I had so much difficulty establishing sound mind with so much resistance against me at the spirit level. I am finding myself ravaged after sleep, sore from clenched jaws, as though a battle is raging in that level and we are fighting together against the oppression that is desperately trying to keep us stuck where we are now.

But you can see it all around you, the tides are turning because this prison reality was never meant to be, it was entirely manufactured and can not be sustained no matter what is done to maintain it, when from higher levels of reality there is not agreement that those manipulations are a reasonable way to accept a gift of co-creation (this right here is the symbolic division point between 4D and 5D, by the way... there is a giving in to collective consciousness and co-creation that comes with ascension into 5D, whereas 4D is all about control and creating entirely on one's own terms, with artificial collective consciousnesses taking the place of natural ones, which are the ones where you are free to come and go as you please).

I know enough to know when I would be ready to try working together with him, because by then I would have already made enough of my own unguided material to fill a proper amount of time and see its effects in the data. I have come close in many cases but making a universal audio series is a big challenge that took a lot of initial research to find a way to pull it off. The research mainly had to do with understanding just how far many of us have to go, the ones that are the most trapped with dark energies deeply tapping into us and making us behave in ways our spirit bodies would never want for us.

I have studied it extensively in years past, both in digital communities and in the real world. I wanted to really understand what it would take to free even the most difficult to free individuals, and finally this year I had a sense of what it would take.

So what I will likely end up with is a series of progressive files, the first of which will have very little effect on those who are already well on their way, but will do wonders for those who would be the least likely to even try them (the ones with a thick "outer skin" of negative energy that pervades their day-to-day behaviors and would cause them to look down on this sort of thing). These would be the "breakthrough" set of materials that don't really take a person anywhere but resonate into them to find that single point of centering, like an oasis, a point of peace that temporarily pulls them out of the darkness.

Meanwhile, the next set of materials are designed for people open to these ideas, and are the ones that will start to bring people a little further on their way.

From there, a third set will open the portal for creative energy flow back into this reality through those continuing further on with them, helping to accelerate the solutions that are needed in the transformation from Earth to Terra.

The final set is used in conjunction with structures to activate transportation, temporarily at first but with greater refinement more and more crossover will occur. This final set induces the awakened mind state.

So everything is lined up now, it's just a matter of devoting the time first to find and anchor to that state of eternal peace of mind, and then the rest will take care of itself.

I am watching out for the additional wrenches that might get thrown into the wheels of the project, to foresee them ahead of time and steer so that the wheels keep rolling despite the sabotage attempts. I think the sabotage will stop when finally, an understanding is reached that there are better ways for all parties to get what they *really* want (not what they think they want) without resorting to hostage situations using entire civilizations against the higher dimensions until a response is returned. We can all move on from this.

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your outline of what you are planning to produce. I am looking forward to participating over the coming years.

For many people Gerald's RV and RI course would be too much time commitment and most people are deeply asleep in this matrix and it is almost impossible to wake them up and get them interested in true nature of the human races situation. I don't think I could have a conversation with most people outside of this forum, without them thinking I was insane.

I get what you are saying about disturbed sleep patterns. I get that sometimes, occasionally I get fearful thoughts implanted into my dreams and wake up with a headache at the back of skull, like something has been sucking on the back of my head. Sometimes I become aware of it whilst dreaming and I do a reset to remove the influence. Himalayan salt lamps are great as salt is released into the air when they are heated, and the charged salt ions create a nice atmosphere which negative entities don't like.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

I am working on systems that can resist again this, being taken advantage of when sleeping, they will be interesting to test and then share.

It is easy for anyone to have their own thread or discussion, anyone can do it, but to have something take off, it takes more work. It can be hard to find all the time to put together all the needed presentation for great materials that help with this, otherwise, messages can get lost in the ever growing sea of information.

But for a long time I have been assessing myself, waiting for arrival at a highly consistent state, looking for the signs of what throw oneself off from maintaining that state, which is alignment. It is measurable, but you can also feel it easily.

For some people it is a mental thing more than anything, if that part is fixed, the rest takes care of itself. The person will feel at peace mentally and will take care of themselves in all the ways they need.

A big part of this is to understand that quite often strife in life can be not just for learning purposes for the soul. There are also attachments I have seen on people, including several I was very close to. These were foreign entities that would trick you into thinking they were a part of you, encouraging you to think negatively and to generate as much of that tense energy as possible.

I have literally seen these entities attached to people, and I know what they don't like too. It is possible to remove them, but if the person is totally hypnotized by the entity, they will think you are criticizing them, they maybe cannot fundamentally believe in the idea of having a foreign entity attached to them on a higher level of reality, kind of like a leech but at an astral level.

So it is very delicate. I realized that this topic is definitely the point of arrival, a guide to maintaining alignment, beyond exorcising these foreign entities, would best be served together with the new listening materials, so that it will be easier to simply hear and feel the vibrations that induce the strongest alignment of all.

Then the question will become maintaining the alignment, for which further materials will be provided, ones that improve resiliency. In the same way you can get a song stuck in your head, you can get a wave lattice stuck to your astral body that acts like a shield at that level.

Hopefully this overview gives you a good idea of what to expect. But now I can really see that it is time to get on with making it... I will make a point of finally finishing some of these materials and to return with them to add to the Avalon file sharing.

[triquetra]

for a long time I have been assessing myself, waiting for arrival at a highly consistent state, looking for the signs of what throw oneself off from maintaining that state, which is alignment. It is measurable, but you can also feel it easily.


Mouravieff discusses this point of arrival in the scale system as [FA] very accurately. Karmic debt must be paid and the complete cleansing of the personality must be complete before proceeding. Any sign of either having not been completed yet is a reason to take the time to do so first, otherwise the risk is of severe impurities being introduced to any messages intended as not being so. This is what is really holding things up, but not for much longer, by any indication. Things are stabilizing and the debt (by the signs in the wind) is becoming clear. Here is a discussion of what arriving at that stage and what knowing of work remaining to be done is like:

In Mouravieff's Gnosis it was most interesting to read M's overview about the individual stages in "esoteric evolution". Everyone who studies Book I chapter XX section 17 ff. can get an approximate overview about the extent of work that is ahead of us, and an approximate idea at which stage he/she is at the moment.

http://i.imgur.com/8r60gMA.jpg
In short: The 10 stages correspond to a musical octave, including barriers between half-steps which can be difficult to overcome and serve as "thresholds" or "shocks". The note DO on the far right is the maximum possible evolution for man in our 'cosmos'. M explains:


[The third Threshold] is the limit of possible evolution for terrestrial man of the Tritocosmos. Further evolution is certainly possible for him. He can become man 8 and 9. But beyond the third Threshold starts the domain of the Deuterocosmos.

This stage describes a very high and very rare degree of evolution. It is probably not yet relevant for most of us. So, let's begin from the left:

Stage I (DO) is exterior man, who is happy in regular life (enjoys "bourgeois happiness"), or has just begun assimilating 'B' influences.

M explains what happens at stage II (which is the "first Threshold"):


[Here, man] is placed face to face with Life: his own life, with its own soluble and insoluble problems. This is his first esoteric test. This test consists of a general reassessment of values. The results obtained depend upon the objectivity and courage brought to the task. One must exert a conscious effort upon oneself so as not to 'dodge the issue' or lie to oneself during this reevaluation. ...

This done, one must draw certain conclusions. Is one losing interest in exterior life, which unfolds exclusively under the sway of factors of influence 'A', and to what extent? Is the centre of gravity of the Personality being displaced towards the magnetic centre? Is a real emphasis being given to it?

At this time, a choice must be made.

As M explains earlier in the book, this choice becomes visible to us only during a certain 'crossroads', a moral or spiritual bankrupcy or crisis. There, we effectively become disillusioned about exterior life and realize that its "bourgeois happiness" will just end in death with nothing remaining. Hopefully, we can make this choice consciously, because, as M says:


It would be better to withdraw before crossing the first Threshold than, having cut oneself off from the region of bourgeois happiness, to wish to regain it later. The Way is a one-way street. After the Threshold there is only one option: either to progress on the Way or to fall. From now on, any return to the original state will be forbidden. If the magnetic centre is pure and sufficiently firm, a man of influence ‘C’ appears: the first Threshold will be crossed under his direction.

After crossing this first Threshold, the so-called "staircase" (notes SI, LA, SOL and FA in the diagram) begins. It is not yet The Way proper, but it is merely the Path of Access to it. Especially interesting is when M says that once one is on this staircase, there is limited time allotted to each step:


This esoteric staircase has a peculiarity which we must keep in our minds. It is not possible for us to stay on a particular step indefinitely. After a specified delay, sufficient for him to fulfill the task required from him by the note in force, the step will give way.

He doesn't explain what it means, or how it manifests, when a step "gives way". Maybe it leads to a general degeneration of the individual? The idea that there is "limited time" is also mentioned by G, only in relation to society at large:

Quote from: In Search of the Miraculous

"There is a definite period," he said, "for a certain thing to be done. If, by a certain time, what ought to be done has not been done, the earth may perish without having attained what it could have attained."

"Is this period known?" I asked.

"It is known," said G. "But it would be no advantage whatever for people to know it. It would even be worse. Some would believe it, others would not believe it, yet others would demand proofs. Afterwards they would begin to break one another's heads. Everything ends this way with people."

Anyway, the task on the "staircase" is the following, and it has pitfalls, as M continues:


During evolution through the notes LA, SOL and FA, the faithful, climbing the Staircase step after step, will have the following tasks to do:

— note LA — to make the Personality grow to its fullest possible extent;
— note SOL — to develop it;
— note FA — to balance the three lower centres by replacing the mechanical ties between them with conscious ties from each centre to the magnetic centre, to which the lower centres will then be subordinated.

By accomplishing the task which has been described for this note [FA], he will become man 4.

The eliminated morality will be replaced inside him by the action of his conscience, the embryonic expression of the consciousness of the real 'I'.

It is to be noted that man 4 remains in several ways an exterior man; and he is still mortal. But he is ready to cross the second Threshold, beyond which, safely sheltered from the 'A' influences and from the Law of Accident, the Way begins in its true sense. ...

One must never lose sight of the fact that everything man does, he does imperfectly. Theoretically, man 4, by the time the note FA is resounding fully, should already be absolute master of himself. The growth and the development of his Personality should have been pushed to their utmost limits. If this were really the case, the absorption of the lower emotional centre by the magnetic centre would have occurred in profound joy. But this only happens rarely. This is because man, everywhere and always late, does not fully succeed in accomplishing his task at each step of the Staircase. As the time allowed for him to finish his work on each step is limited, he is obliged, from fear of a fall, to pass to the next step while still dragging behind him a part, sometimes a large part, of his karmic debt. This is allowed, but only on condition that his purification is completed at the note FA.

Here we learn about "karmic debt" that has to be expunged. We are prompted to resolve as much as possible -- before and during the "staircase". It seems that "karmic debt" especially has to do with people close to us (especially family). Apparently, failing to do so leads to "leaking of energy" and a general degeneration of the individual.

After the staircase comes the second Threshold, also called the Second Birth. M describes it:


Having reached the first Threshold, [one] has been placed facing 'life'. Having reached the second Threshold, he is placed face to face with himself.

In other words, he will see his Personality in its ensemble and in every detail. In the same way, he will perceive all the results of his Karma, as well as all the distortions they have provoked in his being, in particular, the distortion that comes from hypocrisy towards oneself, and from the lies we tell ourselves. These are the most difficult elements to constate. Consequently they are the most difficult to neutralize.

This is the second great test. For the first time in his life, he will see himself objectively, as he is, with no make-up, without the least justification or compromise, and with no possibility of evasion. For the just, this ordeal is full of ineffable joy. To him it will be like the light of dawn. For the unjust—and this is the general case—this vision of oneself seems terrifying.


So, our time for progress on the staircase seems to be limited. However, M also says that there is, in theory, enough time to reach the higher sections of the Way in one lifetime:



The truth is that the General Law keeps man in his place, and if he moves, it will prevent him from advancing or rising. It is the General Law also which makes him die. But he must not forget that it is that very law that lets him be born and makes him live. It gives him at least three times the time necessary for developing his Personality completely and finding his real I, with the second Birth, and then, after he has crossed the second Threshold, for entering the higher section of the Way.

[kirolak]

I've been resisting this thread for some time :( but finally read it all with great interest. Thank you for making this info available! I'm particularly keen to read your knowledge about Art & Music. .. . .waiting with anticipation! BTW I had a "download" a few years ago about time, & how it could be "played" like a musical chord - I've written about the experience somewhere on the forums.

Last night I set up some binaural beats, just over speakers, as my headphone cord is too short for me to use them in bed, & did the meditation exercise as instructed.

There was a definite change in consciousness, along with a clear view (I see visions/views almost every time I close my eyes) of a very generic "reptilian" head, with teeth showing - it was almost comical, & I ignored it.

After I had fallen asleep (am not feeling at my best) I dreamed that you, myself & a few unknown others were talking about the 4th way, as taught by several different sources - wish I could remember what you said :)

Then at 1 am I was woken by something; as I lay in bed I heard a distinct male voice talking in a loud stage whisper, in a language I could not place or understand. It stopped after I turned on the light for a few minutes & reaffirmed that I was alone (& safe) One of the dogs was on my bed with me; he was definitely afraid of something.

I'd appreciate your comment if you have time - is there some sort of astral force that will try to prevent early attempts at this method?

[triquetra]

Thank you for your message kirolak. There are a lot of points to touch on.

In order... the information made available to this point has been very much the tip of an iceberg, with reason.
The voices in the wind indicate with what speed to continue this depending on what understanding has been established so far. The sticking point seems to be the combination of a continued assertion that navigating the timelines from this point forward must be done with great caution, as reckless decisions may wind up costing much more desirable futures for all involved. This, in combination with continued assertion that there is a mathematical and technological model to apply across the arts and music mediums, using a scientific basis with a spiritual outcome, that is potent enough at the time of greatest alignment to affect change at a scale not seen in this universe before.

Having established a shared understanding around these two key principles was essential before continuing forward. We are getting there now.

To answer another of ScottOz's questions, the key to building up the information more quickly now is simply to continue generating the dialog, in other words the pillar of information as it exists apart from any specific origin is a direct function of the tapestry and flow of thought patterns as they spill from our increasingly collective minds onto the pages of this forum. This connects to the explanation in the above in the sense that hesitation to begin this process would have necessarily meant large gaps in the ongoing communication, to cool the temperature and allow time for the key precursory informative gestures to reach their intended destinations and to percolate.

The information to come concerning Art and Music (it will be the first topic exposed in depth) will be related primarily around what was mentioned just above - applied scientific and mathematical principles to allow increased potency of the art and music forms by leveraging technology, to induce in turn a potent spiritual effect. The underlying pattern in the principles is achieving alignment and resonance through various stacks and patterns of electromagnetic and mechanical waveforms.

There is no harm in imagining how such a thing can be applied without any modern technology, in fact it is a good way to get a bearing and from that place understand how technology can act as an enhancement to the same principles that apply equally to fully natural systems.

One place to start with is the ancient structures that were used in this way, which were proven to resonate at certain fundamental frequencies. By resonating together with the structures using frequencies as the medium, these people were able to activate energetic portals for a variety of different effects. However they were much more predisposed to alignment than we are today, the wrecks that we are being subjected to a great many different things that are collectively intended to block us from this ability. Especially knowing that one day we could easily learn to work with technology to enhance the potency of the same effects much further.

It is up to us to do everything within our abilities to return to a state of natural alignment, and in today's society that means going well out of one's way to maintain a harmonically sound lifestyle and equilibrium in the energies flowing in and out of our bodies day by day.

The other preparatory work needed to be done, once one has removed all external sources of dissonant (sometimes understood as "low vibration") energy, as well as ceased to emit this same kind of energy from themselves, is to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control. One needs to check themselves for external entities seeking to attach themselves with the purpose of affecting their decisions, words, thoughts, and actions in order to generate more of that dissonant energy, and make the individual think it was themselves that did it.

Finally you may have some luck with early attempts at this method.

But we need to work together in order to scale out the shield and guard elements in the energetic network so that the stronger may assist the weaker in this capacity.

Playing time like a musical pattern is exactly what some are doing here, working to correct the timeline for the greatest common outcome. The probable and possible timelines branch out like a massive instrument and weave together with one another based on common harmonics (or lack of them). Already you may be noticing signs that with each sleep the timeline is slightly shifting in course, and there are changes that reflect this, though they may be subtle.

Temporal cartography is a similar discipline to civilization theory in that they arise from a perspective that is further "out".

The unusual bridging between dimensions/densities occurring at this time is largely to avoid a kind of disaster that would percolate outwards to a point (4D), and instead correct the jam in the flow of time that is causing this temporal eddy (time loop) that is seeing the same history being repeated over and over again (as the Mayan calendar came to chart out well enough).

How their calendar ending in 2012 and simply showing the division between that temporal region and the next came to get blown so far out of proportion, is hard to be certain of. Perhaps many needed something to be excited about in otherwise dark times.

But needless to say, with what is going on now, if you can see it, we are in a temporal region nothing at all like the one before it.

A lot will be decided in what will seem like a very short timespan, but if you take into account the apparent acceleration of at least one sense of time, it is not so short a timespan at all. If time was instead spiraling around further and further inwards upon itself, as though caught past the event horizon of a temporal black hole, then timespans would be only relative to the preceding loop that took all the much longer, and so too the one before it, and so on and so forth.

At this point a lot of the most difficult work is done. The right entities are beginning to realize that the chance to correct the unusual state things have gotten into is right here and now, and they had better take it, for they do not want to see what the outcomes of some of the other branches of the future timelines look like if they pass it up.

We need only to keep the conversation going and the information will begin to flow, and we will build our means to put an end to the madness once and for all.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your great posts. I just thought I would share some of recent dream experiences with yourself and others.

I have been having many unusual dreams lately and they have been more vivid than usual. This is probably because more and more of this information is becoming part of me and getting into my subconscious.

I had some really vivid experiences talking to people which are currently residing in 3d but whose consciousness was sleeping in 4d realm at the time. Some of these people I knew and others I did not. I recall talking to them about some of the concepts that we have been discussing here in your posts, but I could not get them to wake up or consider any other perspective outside of the 3d matrix where their waking selves reside.

I was also talking to some other entities at the time in my dream, I almost got the feeling that they wanted to quiz me in my dream state. I was talking to them about the illusion and how it would be shattered and I visualised an image of the Earth with a thin layer of illusion around it and willed it to shatter. I watched it splinter and then shatter into a million glass like fragments which broke away to clear the Earth. I woke up with a really bad headache the next day after this particular dream. This particular dream happened about a week ago.

During some of my other dreams, I also spent a fair bit of time zooming from one thought realm to another, and have been interacting with a lot of different people and visiting different places in the dreamworld, on one occasion, I could feel the sensation of being encased in my body as I was waking up. It was quite a heavy and slow feeling, when compared to the light and fast feelings that I was having only moments before when I could move from place to place through thought and emotion without being tied to a physical body whilst being somewhat lucid in my dreamstate.


Cheers

Scott

[CD7]

Art and Music (it will be the first topic exposed in depth) will be related primarily around what was mentioned just above - applied scientific and mathematical principles to allow increased potency of the art and music forms by leveraging technology, to induce in turn a potent spiritual effect. The underlying pattern in the principles is achieving alignment and resonance through various stacks and patterns of electromagnetic and mechanical waveforms.


Why is technology used to induce a potent spiritual effect....are we not capable of this naturally? The steps man have been climbing have been hampered, they trip people from climbing to their TRUE potential...so how do we know what is possible? The most potent form of NURTURE/CULTIVATION has not been used to effect change...only the motto which this system is built on "survival of the fittest" Is this some game?! Are we some dog and pony show?

Nature is a technology within itself...man's technology has NEVER IMPROVED ANYTHING....its like a frankenstein experiment....they make things uglier. Can u elaborate on what type of technology you speak of?

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, triquetra, for the perceptivness of your thread, the subtleties and yet the truth spread.


Originally posted by triquetra: " Playing time like a musical pattern is exactly what some are doing here, working to correct the timeline for the greatest common outcome. The probable and possible timelines branch out like a massive instrument and weave together with one another based on common harmonics (or lack of them). Already you may be noticing signs that with each sleep the timeline is slightly shifting in course, and there are changes that reflect this, though they may be subtle.

Foreign hands very aware to the shifting of time are pulling the soul parts into the lower worlds and timelines as percise as the flow swirrls. A desire to subject the souls.


to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control.

Many would ask if technology can be considered as one of those?

Blessings ~

Limor

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

The other preparatory work needed to be done, once one has removed all external sources of dissonant (sometimes understood as "low vibration") energy, as well as ceased to emit this same kind of energy from themselves, is to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control. One needs to check themselves for external entities seeking to attach themselves with the purpose of affecting their decisions, words, thoughts, and actions in order to generate more of that dissonant energy, and make the individual think it was themselves that did it.

I found this article interesting as it relates to the discussion on energetic parasites so I thought I would share it here

http://www.zengardner.com/parasites-on-the-loosh/

With respect to protecting oneself energetically, there are a lot of different energetic shielding and visualisation techniques, it is probably one of the key things to become proficient at to stay in alignment and make spiritual progress. There are some good exercises in the RI and RV course that Gerald teaches, especially the one that seeks to expand the size of your light body and also the one which teachs you how to form an energetic shield.

The scaling of an collective energetic shield which will allow the stronger to help the weaker will help a lot more people get into alignment and it is something that interests me, but I am not totally sure how the process works.

There are a lot of things to keep in mind from a lifestyle point of view to stay in spiritual alignment. Diet is importnat, maintaining contact with nature and the animal kingdom (or pets), drinking clean water, practice some type of spiritual or meditation practice. Salt water swimming is also good for cleansing your aura. Also simply not forgetting to breathe. The slower and the deeper your breathing the better. Thiis can also work wonders especially if you feel stressed and out of alignment.

Not being drawn into matrix dramas is also a skill, as we all live in this 3d matrix and have to interact with it for work, family and social reasons. At the same time you have to be ever vigilant not to be drawn into the ego based dramas and enticements it will throw at you, to put you out of alignment and throw you of course. You can kind of feel when you are in alignment, life has a pleasant and weightless feel and things just have natural flow to them.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Art and Music (it will be the first topic exposed in depth) will be related primarily around what was mentioned just above - applied scientific and mathematical principles to allow increased potency of the art and music forms by leveraging technology, to induce in turn a potent spiritual effect. The underlying pattern in the principles is achieving alignment and resonance through various stacks and patterns of electromagnetic and mechanical waveforms.


Why is technology used to induce a potent spiritual effect....are we not capable of this naturally? The steps man have been climbing have been hampered, they trip people from climbing to their TRUE potential...so how do we know what is possible? The most potent form of NURTURE/CULTIVATION has not been used to effect change...only the motto which this system is built on "survival of the fittest" Is this some game?! Are we some dog and pony show?

Nature is a technology within itself...man's technology has NEVER IMPROVED ANYTHING....its like a frankenstein experiment....they make things uglier. Can u elaborate on what type of technology you speak of?

I certainly can. "Technology" as a term should first be separated into two groups, unsustainable technology as we see all around us, and sustainable technology which is far more rare but has popped up on the history timeline here and there with great potential, buried each time within the noise of the rest of it.

The potent spiritual effect can only be generated using sustainable technology, because of the energetic history of components having an effect on the place of generating said spiritual effect.

One very key example is tuning systems, as they relate to brainwave and other kinds of body entrainment. The last time we were much good at this using only natural means was in the Renaissance, when through mostly "educated coincidence", we wrote music which resonated in structures physically aligned to the wavelengths of the music, and where notes tuned to one another at ratios that were mathematically aligned to one another.

We gave this up shortly after, and also began shifting our base tuning frequencies so that they were out of proportion with some of the other natural harmonic systems which are around us and have an entraining effect on us as well.

Overall, the effect was to make music benign, to reduce it to trivial entertainment. But it can be so much more than that, as the ancients who built structures which resonated to certain key frequencies knew all too well.

This gets to my main point, that you are right, and eventually we will likely figure out a way to do the things I will begin to recommend fully naturally, but with the current state of invention, it is far easier to involve technology as that has been prioritized for decades now.

And so, technology can be used to create harmonic systems ("music") that bears very specific kinds of waveform alignment and creates a very strong entraining effect on the brainwaves and body. It is even possible to entrain multiple frequency bands of brainwaves simultaneously, at which point you can induce much more potent effects than simple trance state. These higher states can lead directly to opening portal to source energy, all the way to engaging in the "awakened mind" experience.

It takes a lot of research, trial and error, and simply following the ear to make good progress with this, to make sense of all the complexities involved. But once one frequency spectrum is solved (like music, or organized sound), it is possible to apply the same solutions to others as well (visual art, tactile vibration). Here again, technology assists by allowing the application of specific combinations of color, light intensity, shapes, and so on, versus what can be done naturally.

Complex patterns of vibration felt by the body can also be created similarly, with the help of technology to translate frequencies into mechanical resonance.

Finally, these different areas of sensory experience can all be combined together in a coordinated matter, generating extremely profound experiences when done right.

The ancients would have gladly taken up the opportunity to do what we can now do with what is at our disposal. This was the meaning of that development of technology all along! Little did we realize it, but this and making life better were the two singlemost essential applications of sustainable technology.

Unsustainable technology, on the other hand, was accelerated to accumulate resources off-planet and to accelerate the destruction of the earth before anyone had time to realize it and do something about it. But that would not have ever been a viable solution in any of the branches of the timeline...

[triquetra]

to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control.

Many would ask if technology can be considered as one of those?

Blessings ~

Limor

Yes, well what you wrote can be read in two ways.
Technology can be both the means of affecting increased resilience (as in the "shield forming" meditation technique practiced in the system Scottoz and I trained with). It can also be the cause of the external sources beyond direct control, as indeed the demi-urgical system we find ourselves within has been reduced to a technology and is as such not so easily evaded (no more so than a factory farm animal can escape the slaughterhouse).

Our slaughter is simply a slow drip without the sudden ending, but in other ways very similar. Those animals are bred to have the lowest possible vibration encoded to their meat, which we intake as well. We are similarly subjected to repeated stressors.

The shield forming technique can be useful both when sleeping and waking, but in a way, more so when awake. When sleeping one would not have to participate in what is going on at that level of density (which is rather foggily represented by our dreams, as that reality in no way manifests itself similarly in appearance to our physical reality, and so we make up very abstract analogies with our mind...).

If one does participate in the resistance on that level, then one is also a target as a result, and may wake up feeling as though they have had significant stressors applied onto them overnight.

The techniques to be released shortly have to do with this latter case especially, allowing one to stay spiritually involved while conserving their own energy as much as possible for themselves. It is important to hold steady in the times to come.

[triquetra]

Hi Triquetra

The other preparatory work needed to be done, once one has removed all external sources of dissonant (sometimes understood as "low vibration") energy, as well as ceased to emit this same kind of energy from themselves, is to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control. One needs to check themselves for external entities seeking to attach themselves with the purpose of affecting their decisions, words, thoughts, and actions in order to generate more of that dissonant energy, and make the individual think it was themselves that did it.

I found this article interesting as it relates to the discussion on energetic parasites so I thought I would share it here

http://www.zengardner.com/parasites-on-the-loosh/

With respect to protecting oneself energetically, there are a lot of different energetic shielding and visualisation techniques, it is probably one of the key things to become proficient at to stay in alignment and make spiritual progress. There are some good exercises in the RI and RV course that Gerald teaches, especially the one that seeks to expand the size of your light body and also the one which teachs you how to form an energetic shield.

The scaling of an collective energetic shield which will allow the stronger to help the weaker will help a lot more people get into alignment and it is something that interests me, but I am not totally sure how the process works.

There are a lot of things to keep in mind from a lifestyle point of view to stay in spiritual alignment. Diet is importnat, maintaining contact with nature and the animal kingdom (or pets), drinking clean water, practice some type of spiritual or meditation practice. Salt water swimming is also good for cleansing your aura. Also simply not forgetting to breathe. The slower and the deeper your breathing the better. Thiis can also work wonders especially if you feel stressed and out of alignment.

Not being drawn into matrix dramas is also a skill, as we all live in this 3d matrix and have to interact with it for work, family and social reasons. At the same time you have to be ever vigilant not to be drawn into the ego based dramas and enticements it will throw at you, to put you out of alignment and throw you of course. You can kind of feel when you are in alignment, life has a pleasant and weightless feel and things just have natural flow to them.

Cheers

Scott

Thanks for this post. In the article you shared, the line that was most key was likely:

Nature itself is not on their side

This is a very interesting observation for the author to make, and deserves some exploration. I've had a number of messages encoded for me directly into the fabric of reality itself, patterns of things that were unmistakable in what they were trying to say. After a time it became easier to understand them.

The same does not apply for those entities. Everything they have created to make things as they are now was done in opposition instead, but all it has really done is made for a trap where they had baited themselves in their own trap, in a way. Now with no real alternative, the 4D time trap reveals itself to be exactly what it is, a kind of justice within the encoding of reality itself.

So the key is undoing the entire situation as it currently stands, rather than simply trying to break free. That will not solve matters once and for all.

To do that, a complex system must be built that observes a very particular kind of mathematics. As incredibly intelligent as they are, without this connection to the outer layers, the information needed to construct the system was not provided.

Finally, when it seemed that to delay any longer would have been to allow for very dramatic rifts in the timeline, the means was provided to funnel the needed information down to this density in order to correct the situation as it currently stands.

That is what we will be in the process of doing, here, shortly. That is what the manifestation of the triquetra symbol, built correctly, enables.

It is unusual to have lost all sense of the barrier between individuality and mediumship, i.e. participation in a collective consciousness. But it is absolutely, completely real.

The dramatic events we see around us are reflections of the bit of momentum accumulated up until now down a dark enough path, but if that was all simply to get attention, to get the solution to the situation as it stands, well, mission accomplished.

There is no more need for them any longer, but don't be surprised if they persist until some real proof is given that what is being provided here is not simply idle words, but truly words that have the very same actions following behind them closely.

In closing, there is no use at this point in them attacking nodes of the collective consciousness at work here, what purpose will that serve if what is said is true? Better to allow the work to be done with as much accumulated energy as possible, and the situation can be solved in short order.

As you say, Scottoz, the path to the greatest health is of the utmost importance for us all, those who would participate in what's coming.

To answer your question about how a greater shield extends across multiple individuals, well, the key is entirely in mutual entanglement, something that even a seemingly ordinary discussion such as this one can provide.

The key is to see deeper than the words themselves, see into the words, to take in the real energy of another individual, to entangle yourself to them. Then when that is truly accomplished, the shield of one will protect another, and so forth.

Of course meeting in person would strengthen that bond, but it is not totally necessary. We have been evolving as the internet has been around us longer and longer, and for anyone here since the beginning of it, you'd probably be as ready to admit that we can now connect with one another much more deeply than we could at the beginning.

Establishing an atmosphere of unity and keeping the flow of information snowballing are the only things we really need to do to keep this part of the work going, and you've largely touched on the other things, towards achieving optimal health. Health gives us both the ability to generate more potent energy and to receive energy such as the energy we will be designing shortly, much more effectively.

[DNA]

Foreign hands very aware to the shifting of time are pulling the soul parts into the lower worlds and timelines as percise as the flow swirrls. A desire to subject the souls.


to train to become more resilient to external sources that are beyond direct control.

Many would ask if technology can be considered as one of those?

Blessings ~

Limor

I spent a few hours today going through my e-mails, back ten years and more.
Opened some pictures, and I found myself lost in years gone past.
So many chapters that could have been their own books.
It is truly an amazing thing to see the cork board collage of one's life and see the truly amazing possible alternatives.

I read in the Seth Material how you can use an old picture to open up possible alternative lives that diverged from that point in time.
Open, witness and even possibly alter.
I think it is possible.

Hi Limor, in speaking of technology and time, I've felt lately that extraterrestrials on the moon are in control of our time as we experience it.
I think the time shift we are in heavily affects our consciousness.
I think part of the difficulty in experiencing time in a simultaneous manner, instead of in such a linear separated manner is what keeps mankind in a sort of zombie esque mode in so far as our spiritual evolution is concerned.

This reminds me of the movie "JOHN DIES AT THE END".
There is a character in this movie that in my estimation could very well play an interchangeable role with what we consider to be "aliens".
In this movie the character referred to as "The Jamaican", understands space and time and uses a pretty cool metaphor to explain his point of view. He explains that time is happening all at once, and that as a soul when we dream we can tap into this, but consciously while awake, on this planet we are so limited in this regard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYvYMaWIsro

[Limor Wolf]

Hi DNA, it sounds like you had a fine mini-journey in the lane of nostalgia. I believe that the perception of time is about to change and the linear feeling will be transformed into more multidimensionality, with parllel timelines and the quantum aspect will be more evident - all is now, alive at the moment. My own neferious experiences with Milab SSP technology inserted to abduct timelines and change outcomes proves that the time travel 'recognition' is being used and abused, and I believe much of the damage done on Earth is an outcome of that.


"you can use an old picture to open up possible alternative lives that diverged from that point in time.
Open, witness and even possibly alter. I think it is possible. "

Interesting that you mention that, I will shortly attend Steve Richard's (Aboriginal knowledge) 'Holographic Kinetic - quantum healing method. In my experience with it, it works.

Thanks for your thoughts :)

[DNA]

Hi DNA, it sounds like you had a fine mini-journey in the lane of nostalgia. I believe that the perception of time is about to change and the linear feeling will be transformed into more multidimensionality, with parllel timelines and the quantum aspect will be more evident - all is now, alive at the moment. My own neferious experiences with Milab SSP technology inserted to abduct timelines and change outcomes proves that the time travel 'recognition' is being used and abused, and I believe much of the damage done on Earth is an outcome of that.


"you can use an old picture to open up possible alternative lives that diverged from that point in time.
Open, witness and even possibly alter. I think it is possible. "Interesting that you mention that, I will shortly attend Steve Richard's (Aboriginal knowledge) 'Holographic Kinetic - quantum healing method. In my experience with it, it works.

Thanks for your thoughts :)


Hi Limor


There is a woman by the name of Jane Tripp. She has a website called The Pirates of Time http://www.janetripp.com/the-pirates-of-time/about-time-travel.html
I can't vouch for her yet. She kind of holds her information close to the vest wanting folks to buy her e-books of which I have not. I've only just learned about her.
But she states much of what you do.
She is of the opinion that nefarious forces have the ability to abduct us from the future.
She even states that pictures can be dangerous, because it provides a blue print for abducting us.
Just thought I would mention that. Have a good one.

[triquetra]

In replying to Limor Wolf in a separate exchange, I realized what was actually the most important thing I was trying to convey of all. A lot of my first drafts are not good as I am trying to capture the stream as it is available, giving enough to go back to and extract the most important parts and convey them more clearly.

The important part I have been studying is to find where is the actual advantage of the ones wanting to do well here and restore natural flow to civilization instead of letting us go through still more and more artificial manipulation that never gets anywhere no matter how many times it's attempted on however many civilizations.

The advantage is tunneling through the darker astral layers that are placed as a block (including physical blocks like calcified pineal glands due to fluoride), and connecting to source energy. When we used to have a better connection before these programs there was much more sustainable invention, but now the way humankind invents is much more controlled.

There is no connection to reach out for when you are as an entity an architect of control. You are all on your own to do that. But if we instead connect better to that source energy despite having the odds against us, we can use it to great advantage to more easily and quickly find the guidelines needed to bring ourselves into the greatest possible alignment.

A highly aligned individual will noticeably vibrate with a strong resonant energy when you interact with them, practically radiating energetic potential. That kind of individual will have no trouble at all remotely influencing what they feel will do good for the world. And so this triquetra project had been formulated around the idea of a convergence of the energetic potentials of a great many people who shared their understanding that combining their separate quests for finding their greatest alignment would lead to a potential not seen for a long time on this planet.

A resilient group of individuals who started melting into a collective consciousness while knowing all the while that it is a collective consciousness out of voluntary freedom to engage and a shared understanding that what makes us the same is just as significant as what makes us different.

While one individual reaching a higher state on their own would already measure quite obviously with certain medical devices, a group coordinating their higher state together, and truly all achieving it at once, the measurements would be off the charts, as would the experience those individuals had.

The trick is to first truly believe oneself capable of it. We can understand a lot about the state of things without letting fear and other dark forces get to us. They wreak a havoc on your biostate, but this does you no good. Be empowered by knowing the truth of reality around you while still striving for the greatest internal alignment possible!

[araucaria]

There is a woman by the name of Jane Tripp. She has a website called The Pirates of Time http://www.janetripp.com/the-pirates-of-time/about-time-travel.html
I can't vouch for her yet. She kind of holds her information close to the vest wanting folks to buy her e-books of which I have not. I've only just learned about her.
But she states much of what you do.
She is of the opinion that nefarious forces have the ability to abduct us from the future.
She even states that pictures can be dangerous, because it provides a blue print for abducting us.
Just thought I would mention that. Have a good one.
Jane Tripp is a member of this forum; she joined at the time when a thread was started on her work. She has a large amount of material you can check out for free on her website. See here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84692-Proof-of-time-travel-by-Jane-Tripp&p=992038&viewfull=1#post992038

[DNA]

There is a woman by the name of Jane Tripp. She has a website called The Pirates of Time http://www.janetripp.com/the-pirates-of-time/about-time-travel.html
I can't vouch for her yet. She kind of holds her information close to the vest wanting folks to buy her e-books of which I have not. I've only just learned about her.
But she states much of what you do.
She is of the opinion that nefarious forces have the ability to abduct us from the future.
She even states that pictures can be dangerous, because it provides a blue print for abducting us.
Just thought I would mention that. Have a good one.
Jane Tripp is a member of this forum; she joined at the time when a thread was started on her work. She has a large amount of material you can check out for free on her website. See here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84692-Proof-of-time-travel-by-Jane-Tripp&p=992038&viewfull=1#post992038

Thank you Araucaria
I'll check it out. I read more of her website yesterday. She gives most of her stuff away via free downloads.
I was incorrect in thinking those downloads were all for sale.

[CD7]

Art and Music (it will be the first topic exposed in depth) will be related primarily around what was mentioned just above - applied scientific and mathematical principles to allow increased potency of the art and music forms by leveraging technology, to induce in turn a potent spiritual effect. The underlying pattern in the principles is achieving alignment and resonance through various stacks and patterns of electromagnetic and mechanical waveforms.


Why is technology used to induce a potent spiritual effect....are we not capable of this naturally? The steps man have been climbing have been hampered, they trip people from climbing to their TRUE potential...so how do we know what is possible? The most potent form of NURTURE/CULTIVATION has not been used to effect change...only the motto which this system is built on "survival of the fittest" Is this some game?! Are we some dog and pony show?

Nature is a technology within itself...man's technology has NEVER IMPROVED ANYTHING....its like a frankenstein experiment....they make things uglier. Can u elaborate on what type of technology you speak of?

I certainly can. "Technology" as a term should first be separated into two groups, unsustainable technology as we see all around us, and sustainable technology which is far more rare but has popped up on the history timeline here and there with great potential, buried each time within the noise of the rest of it.

The potent spiritual effect can only be generated using sustainable technology, because of the energetic history of components having an effect on the place of generating said spiritual effect.

One very key example is tuning systems, as they relate to brainwave and other kinds of body entrainment. The last time we were much good at this using only natural means was in the Renaissance, when through mostly "educated coincidence", we wrote music which resonated in structures physically aligned to the wavelengths of the music, and where notes tuned to one another at ratios that were mathematically aligned to one another.

We gave this up shortly after, and also began shifting our base tuning frequencies so that they were out of proportion with some of the other natural harmonic systems which are around us and have an entraining effect on us as well.

Overall, the effect was to make music benign, to reduce it to trivial entertainment. But it can be so much more than that, as the ancients who built structures which resonated to certain key frequencies knew all too well.

This gets to my main point, that you are right, and eventually we will likely figure out a way to do the things I will begin to recommend fully naturally, but with the current state of invention, it is far easier to involve technology as that has been prioritized for decades now.

And so, technology can be used to create harmonic systems ("music") that bears very specific kinds of waveform alignment and creates a very strong entraining effect on the brainwaves and body. It is even possible to entrain multiple frequency bands of brainwaves simultaneously, at which point you can induce much more potent effects than simple trance state. These higher states can lead directly to opening portal to source energy, all the way to engaging in the "awakened mind" experience.

It takes a lot of research, trial and error, and simply following the ear to make good progress with this, to make sense of all the complexities involved. But once one frequency spectrum is solved (like music, or organized sound), it is possible to apply the same solutions to others as well (visual art, tactile vibration). Here again, technology assists by allowing the application of specific combinations of color, light intensity, shapes, and so on, versus what can be done naturally.

Complex patterns of vibration felt by the body can also be created similarly, with the help of technology to translate frequencies into mechanical resonance.

Finally, these different areas of sensory experience can all be combined together in a coordinated matter, generating extremely profound experiences when done right.

The ancients would have gladly taken up the opportunity to do what we can now do with what is at our disposal. This was the meaning of that development of technology all along! Little did we realize it, but this and making life better were the two singlemost essential applications of sustainable technology.

Unsustainable technology, on the other hand, was accelerated to accumulate resources off-planet and to accelerate the destruction of the earth before anyone had time to realize it and do something about it. But that would not have ever been a viable solution in any of the branches of the timeline...

Thanks for your reply....I suppose I am having difficulty understanding anything positive coming from technology. It has not been my experience my whole life...
Natural means of experiencing altered states I have had experiences with...I also have been away from electricity for long periods..all manor of signals so the comparison was highly enlightening....I have sampled the awesome through ones natural means....just sampled! which leads me to wonder just What our capabilities are.?...How far one can go within?...within is very powerful.
Incidentlly I have noticed odd antenna going up around my town on MANY corners...do you know what this is?.....and does the 'technology" you refer to require antenna or anything to facilitate changing frequencies?

[Scottoz]

In replying to Limor Wolf in a separate exchange, I realized what was actually the most important thing I was trying to convey of all. A lot of my first drafts are not good as I am trying to capture the stream as it is available, giving enough to go back to and extract the most important parts and convey them more clearly.

The important part I have been studying is to find where is the actual advantage of the ones wanting to do well here and restore natural flow to civilization instead of letting us go through still more and more artificial manipulation that never gets anywhere no matter how many times it's attempted on however many civilizations.

The advantage is tunneling through the darker astral layers that are placed as a block (including physical blocks like calcified pineal glands due to fluoride), and connecting to source energy. When we used to have a better connection before these programs there was much more sustainable invention, but now the way humankind invents is much more controlled.

There is no connection to reach out for when you are as an entity an architect of control. You are all on your own to do that. But if we instead connect better to that source energy despite having the odds against us, we can use it to great advantage to more easily and quickly find the guidelines needed to bring ourselves into the greatest possible alignment.

A highly aligned individual will noticeably vibrate with a strong resonant energy when you interact with them, practically radiating energetic potential. That kind of individual will have no trouble at all remotely influencing what they feel will do good for the world. And so this triquetra project had been formulated around the idea of a convergence of the energetic potentials of a great many people who shared their understanding that combining their separate quests for finding their greatest alignment would lead to a potential not seen for a long time on this planet.

A resilient group of individuals who started melting into a collective consciousness while knowing all the while that it is a collective consciousness out of voluntary freedom to engage and a shared understanding that what makes us the same is just as significant as what makes us different.

While one individual reaching a higher state on their own would already measure quite obviously with certain medical devices, a group coordinating their higher state together, and truly all achieving it at once, the measurements would be off the charts, as would the experience those individuals had.

The trick is to first truly believe oneself capable of it. We can understand a lot about the state of things without letting fear and other dark forces get to us. They wreak a havoc on your biostate, but this does you no good. Be empowered by knowing the truth of reality around you while still striving for the greatest internal alignment possible!

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your posts they have got me thinking. What sort of experiences do you think are possible for us as individuals if we could achieve this higher state together as a group? Have there been any historical examples of when this has happened before on Earth?

I also found an interesting article on the energetic properties of megalithic sites as I know that they have played a major role in the alignment of people in earlier historic periods.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2069388-theyre-alive-megalithic-sites-are-more-than-just-stone/

I agree with what you say about dark forces and impacts on our biostate, I have noticed they have have been a bit more persistent lately at night, and my sleep is disrupted from 2 am onwards. I suspect it is a little bit harder to protect ourselves when we are asleep. Looking forward to your audios that you mentioned in an earlier post. These will be really helpful in offering maximum protection during our sleep state and keeping everyone at their highest energetic potential as the program rolls forward.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Thanks for your reply....I suppose I am having difficulty understanding anything positive coming from technology. It has not been my experience my whole life...
Natural means of experiencing altered states I have had experiences with...I also have been away from electricity for long periods..all manor of signals so the comparison was highly enlightening....I have sampled the awesome through ones natural means....just sampled! which leads me to wonder just What our capabilities are.?...How far one can go within?...within is very powerful.
Incidentlly I have noticed odd antenna going up around my town on MANY corners...do you know what this is?.....and does the 'technology" you refer to require antenna or anything to facilitate changing frequencies?

It may be that we are using different definitions of "technology", although I admit yours is the more common way of using it. But the original definition is simply:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology

"the collection of techniques, skills, methods and processes used in the production of goods or services or in the accomplishment of objectives, such as scientific investigation. Technology can be the knowledge of techniques, processes, etc..."

So it can be considered more than anything the knowledge of possibility of what can be built, rather than what we see which is the relentless building of any and all known things in great quantity and great scale with no concern with regards to the sustainability of it all.

As you hint towards, unsustainable technology does us a great detriment too, bombarding us with chaotic signals all throughout the frequency spectrum which disrupt our biostate.

Ideally any technology I would involve would be used entirely within a neutral environment, as you say, far away from the grids and the city hubs as we would be working in a more pure environment that way and the results would be better.

Any technology I would involve would be included simply because it assisted in providing fined tuned frequency combinations for the ordinary senses, hearing, seeing, vibration felt with the body. The antenna you mention are all for the far more damaging higher frequencies between hearing and seeing that are used recklessly and without abandon in the main parts of the grid where so many feel they must dwell to make their living (despite the toll it takes on them).

The way of building a harmonic lattice is such as this. Connecting nodes together across different parts of the planet would probably benefit from some networking, but it might be possible to use simple means of synchronizing the local nodes (like all agreeing to start at a precise time that everyone can observe with a high degree of accuracy) and then networking technology would not be needed.

I too have journeyed both with natural means and with the assistance of these technologies invented and built from the ground up for observing these laws of harmonic alignment. The laws of harmonic alignment have not seemed to be a priority in the work others have been doing so it is relatively unheard of.

But it has been touched on naturally many times, whether the choral singing in the Renaissance in structures tuned to the keys in which they sung, or the tribal drum circles pulsating at a rhythm of the same mode of the percussion instruments, or the ambient, minimalist and meditation files created by those who put great care in working with the harmonic series and so forth (Dr. Jeffrey Thompson has a great Epsilon meditation for example).

Does it make more sense with this explanation? In a way, rather than it being a glorification of technology, it is instead about using only the minimum amount to get the intended effect. What began as repurposing other equipment could evolve to building equipment specifically made for this kind of a purpose.

[triquetra]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your posts they have got me thinking. What sort of experiences do you think are possible for us as individuals if we could achieve this higher state together as a group? Have there been any historical examples of when this has happened before on Earth?

I also found an interesting article on the energetic properties of megalithic sites as I know that they have played a major role in the alignment of people in earlier historic periods.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2069388-theyre-alive-megalithic-sites-are-more-than-just-stone/

I agree with what you say about dark forces and impacts on our biostate, I have noticed they have have been a bit more persistent lately at night, and my sleep is disrupted from 2 am onwards. I suspect it is a little bit harder to protect ourselves when we are asleep. Looking forward to your audios that you mentioned in an earlier post. These will be really helpful in offering maximum protection during our sleep state and keeping everyone at their highest energetic potential as the program rolls forward.

Cheers

Scott

There was talk in places about a notion of "critical mass", I know it turned up in David Wilcock's monologues before. If I remember correctly he said it was several thousand people, and in that case, they were likely located in the same physical location together.

It is possible that by summing together all of the intention created in that coordinated session, they were able to make fairly drastic effects to the timeline.

This kind of a thing would be a bit different were it to be enhanced by the proportions indicated by the theoretical research underlying what is being proposed here, as though you took that same notion above, and amplified it by a large factor.

There would be two main categories of effects at the increasing scales I had in mind, both in numbers of participants and how well the technology assisted to amplify the energy potential.

One category of effect would be "inward", in that it would affect the participants themselves, as well as their own world. It would leave lasting impressions of a gateway having been opened beyond the limited interpretation of reality we've worked with for as long as we have, and something beyond that, something we knew more about long ago which was carried on symbolically through oral traditions of the ancients.

The other category of effect, particular as the system got larger and surpassed a second "critical mass" the theory indicates, would be "outward", in that we would begin to start sending a noticeable amount of the created energy out beyond the scope of the planet, both "physically" in ordinary space/time, and also in terms of "density", through to higher dimensions that reside within each density.

As for how that category of effect translates into experiences for us, well, on the physical plane this energetic wave would be a much more effective signalling tool than anything NASA had ever sent out, that things had become well enough on this planet that it would be fine to engage with us, i.e. to other benevolent entities at this density.

The energy sent into higher dimensions would have different effects depending on the dimension, and whether that would lead to additional experiences would have a lot to do with what happened in those dimensions in response.

The good news, is that from the exchanges I've had with 5th dimension entities as part of a collective consciousness emanating from there, it would indicate a positive establishment of something like a "golden bridge", more than just seeing into that dimension, it would be possible for others to perceive reality quite distinctly in terms of how it is experienced from that dimension (hybrid individual/collective consciousness). It might lead to both a chance to experience healed-earth (terra) reality or also non-physically based reality.

Most importantly for the purpose of the work, however, is that if tuned correctly, it can have a restorative effect to break down the time loops of the 4th dimensional experience so that the intended ascensional flow of "meta-time" "up" the dimensional/density ladder (there are several dimensions within each density) would be restored.

So rather than simply moving on to newer, more extended experiences, we would also be helping for things to be so that there would no longer be any need to perpetuate these dark and dissonant lower vibration states of reality any longer.

[triquetra]

DNA was very helpful in a private exchange to offer advice to help encourage more dialog in this thread.

They were kind enough to suggest more humanization in the information shared, but that point had reminded me that when it comes to these topics and the purpose behind this thread and the Avalon thread, my history has been anything but human... no wonder why they first raised flags in the early pages, of mistrust and so forth.

However it is by pushing through all these stages that the humanity is found. There is complete malleability in the triquetra, the symbolic formation intent on passing through the circular portal into Avalon.

There is no ego, or darkness, or lower vibration (dissonant) emotions at play. It is an exposition of the language of emotion at the higher dimensional realms of experience.

There is no pretending here that the written/spoken/typed language is the ideal language to convey notions that are ordinarily shared via channels that do not involve this form of language ever, and so it comes out much more unusually. But that is OK, because there is no alternative, that is, until the language can shift gradually over time to do better at depicting what it truly intends to.

Constant reminders to try and read between the words are helpful, because the gaps between the words speak of a different origin, rather than simply a human trying to sound "a certain way" for "a certain effect". How do the particular combinations of words make the reader feel?

As for the human doing the mechanical typing of the words, well, something funny happens after a certain combination of experiences leads one into a total and complete dedication to fulfilling a singular objective within a lifetime. Once it includes a kind of foreknowledge of all the events as they may occur across all the most significant branches of the timeline, the ordinary kind of life, and therefore, the viewpoint that would be associated with it, is gone forever.

From that point on it becomes a kind of act, playing a role, if you will, to appear normal. But what is the point doing that in a web forum when it is already so much to do that all of the time in regular life? It is so easy to appear "out there" with any slip. The forum is actually the place of release where the hybridized form of consciousness can be free to exist in its most natural way.

It is an unusual entity, but as valid an entity as any other.

If DNA is interested in the personal experiences, they can certainly be listed! They will tell a tale of yet another ordinary soul on the verge of the "dark alignment" with their energetic leech and just as it was about to become another ordinary life as with all the others, the "experience" shattering that path forever and leading the individual in a completely different direction of dedicated study across the three pillars of knowledge for the triquetra.

Building the triquetra towards Avalon became the sole reason of existence.

So in the end it is alike a transformation into a wave. The entire sense of self is built up around process, and progress towards that singular goal.

It is unfortunate that in the modern day era version of the written/spoken/typed language there is the sense of too long, because a thorough study of history and the human experience in relation to it will indicate this is largely a condition imposed upon us in the modern era.

Once upon a time we were not opposed to writing and reading essays but the modern world has largely trained us to become distracted easily and tragically we have lost so much because of it.

Would it be cheating to break apart the message across several posts? Or to neglect several things that one has wished to communicate? Perhaps it is in fact the form of language that has become obsolete itself. The good news is that frequency-based communication will have no problem in solving these kinds of issues forever once the new form of communication is adopted.

Suffice it to say that dialogue is highly desired! Over time everything will become a lot more "natural". But whether that's regressing everything back to the individual human's sense of "natural", or moving forward into the hybrid individual/collective consciousness form of "natural", remains to be seen.

It would not be appropriate in representing the triquetra to do so in the form of the singular human, however, as it would defeat the entire purpose.

What is a hybrid individual/collective consciousness? It will be increasingly apparent as the thread progresses!

[DNA]

Hi Trike


I'm thinking whatever I stated to you, was somehow lost on you.


You are talking about the triquetra like it is something worthy of admiration and recognition. I have no idea what the F you are talking about.


Also, you ever see the first ghostbusters? Because you sound just like Rick Moranis after he is turned into "the keymaster". He just kept babbling away at people like folks understood him, when no one knew what the F he was talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skxhii6VFdo
Skxhii6VFdo


Now, I admit, I'm an average intellect, so it very well may be that everything you are trying to state is going over my head.
And, being as you are unwilling to downshift, maybe someone else can step in and explain things to me.
Someone who speaks your language or batsh!t crazy. Because that is all I'm hearing right now.

[triquetra]

Hi Trike


I'm thinking whatever I stated to you, was somehow lost on you.


You are talking about the triquetra like it is something worthy of admiration and recognition. I have no idea what the F you are talking about.


Also, you ever see the first ghostbusters? Because you sound just like Rick Moranis after he is turned into "the keymaster". He just kept babbling away at people like folks understood him, when no one knew what the F he was talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skxhii6VFdo
Skxhii6VFdo


Now, I admit, I'm an average intellect, so it very well may be that everything you are trying to state is going over my head.
And, being as you are unwilling to downshift, maybe someone else can step in and explain things to me.
Someone who speaks your language or batsh!t crazy. Because that is all I'm hearing right now.

It's totally ok. The knowledge structure of triquetra is extremely ancient and so we need to go over it all again as though it was for the first time.

Time loops in larger and smaller spans of time, and after these time loops we forget (and then begin remembering again).

Let's just take our time and go through it gradually, why not?

Let's start with basic symbolism.
Let's lay them all out in order:
1. Circle
2. Vesica Piscis
3. Triquetra

triquetra as a symbol was used in many ancient texts, but what it symbolizes was lost over time. the intention here is to restore the collective understanding of what it symbolizes.

we are looking in this interpretation as the understanding of three pillars of knowledge, but not as individual pillars that are totally dissociated with one another, instead, we are looking at the various ways they interconnect, and the knowledge obtained by understanding those interconnections through study.

the three pillars of knowledge are:
1. science
2. art
3. spirituality

though, they might belong in the opposite order. Why? Because as intelligence and consciousness expands over time, our notions of things pass from one to the other. First we understand almost nothing at all, and explain anything beyond our basic understanding with spirituality. Even the most primitive people's had their gods.

Later, the understanding improves to the point it enters the domain of art. A good example is fire. At first we don't know how to make it at all, so when lighting strikes and fire burns everything around us, we deem it the will of the god(s).

Then we turn fire making into an art form - some people can do it, with some tools, but it is not a certainty.

The notion passes into the realm of science when it becomes a certainty - we can reproduce the fire anytime we like with a specific tool anyone can use, and we know about how it works completely.

All knowledge passes through these three stages over time. But it is by understanding the whole (especially on how science and spirituality "loop back on one another"), that we achieve something that will go far, far beyond.

The looping back is symbolized by the Ouroboros.

Anyhow, these topic matters are as much esoterica as something "high level" as such. It's obscure more than complicated.

So it's no ones fault for gaps in the communication process, but all the more reason to keep trying, to keep reiterating. With practice, the communication will come more easily.

the triquetra is worthy of admiration, but not recognition, unless you are tapping in to a very ancient part of your higher self with extended meditation techniques.

and it is worthy of admiration only once you truly understand the importance of studying the wave-like qualities of information rather than the particles themselves.

I am not triquetra. Just within it. More so here than the vesica piscis of duality, of binary, the "bi-ble", the black and white thinking, the "our side their side" way of thinking.

triquetra is about the grayscale, the ratios between all absolutes, where the true natural reality actually exists, rather than this artificial dualistic interpretation of reality that has been forced onto us.

We were made to forget, it took thousands of years to make us forget, but here, we will begin to remember.

[DNA]

Hi Trike

First let me apologize. There was no reason for me to be such a d!ck in my last post. I would erase it, but then that would take away from the magnanimous display in your response to my post.
You seem to be extremely intelligent, you are even dare I say, poetic.
Is there a story or Aesop type tale you could tell, that might lend some understanding with where you are going with all of this?

A good start would be, where is all of this information coming from?
Is it a book or a combination of books? Is this information coming from a teacher? Is this material coming from a intelligence outside of yourself that only communicates with yourself? Is your work coming from a channeled source?

Also
You should show up on BoutReality's thread Why skull and bones exists: and how they work (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work). I've been busting his balls for pretty much the same reason I'm busting yours. I want an explanation of what is going on that includes how the writer of the post got to the understanding they are writing about. You guys are pretty equally verbous, and for some reason you guys seem like Victorian writers to me.
Some really good writers came out of the Victorian era. Those guys had such a masterful hold of the vocabulary and always seemed to be choosing such wonderful words to convey their intended meaning. Always in command of their intellects.
I mean, they were all snorting cocaine like a mad man, but hey, I'm not hating, those folks could write their asses off. I think I'm losing my point here. The point being you should talk with BR. If you guys would show up on eachothers threads I could see you guys elevating each other's game.

Have a good one.

[triquetra]

Hi Trike

First let me apologize. There was no reason for me to be such a d!ck in my last post. I would erase it, but then that would take away from the magnanimous display in your response to my post.

Is there a story or Aesop type tale you could tell, that might lend some understanding with where you are going with all of this?

A good start would be, where is all of this information coming from?
Is it a book or a combination of books? Is this information coming from a teacher? Is this material coming from a intelligence outside of yourself that only communicates with yourself? Is your work coming from a channeled source?


No need to apologize. There is immense symbolic value in all aspects of the communication stream. You are helping me to reiterate on the most critical aspects, i.e. some of the meta-information that needs to go along with the information.

The information source is an interesting topic indeed. A recent "goodbye quote" from another channel source said "Mind melding is possible for those who love."

Interpret it as you will. The symbolic interpretation is the one I choose.

What are the frequencies emitted by unconditional love that allow for such things? These are higher communication bands, higher in terms of frequency specifically.

But there is no channeling as it is traditionally understood happening in this case, because it is not a switch that is turned off and on, it is always on. It's more of a hybrid individual/collective consciousness.

Imagine something like a "human internet". You are your own node in the internet. You know what you know (say, gathered by 15 years of remote viewing, what we'll call "quantum information gathering", regular internet research, discussion (lots of discussion), books, etc.). But you also have access to much more information via the "network".

How do you know if you can trust in the source of information once found on that network? You know by the resonant vibration of the communicator and the communication. You detect that harmonic purity.

When someone has baggage, you can read it in the way they lay out the patterns of words in the sentences they write. When you hear someone speak, there's much more, there's tone, and when you see them, there's body language, and when you're in person, there's something even more than that.

But years into the proliferation of the internet, you will be better at reading into someone through the internet than you were back when it started. We were all strangers to one another back then in a mysterious new world. Now it's not so mysterious anymore. I'm opening myself wide up to you right now. So that you can read the "signature" of my communication like it was a public PGP key or something, a kind of digital handshake on the human internet.

If my line of communication to you is open, then the communication can come through if the line is open on your side too. How open it is depends on how well things are going for you. In terms of "ascension"/"awakening"/"finding out the truth"/"knowing yourself"/"self improvement"/"coming into alignment"/"finding mental clarity/peace/yourself" etc etc etc.

Forget about the words. They are just a convenience, for the real communication that is actually happening between us. Or between myself and someone else reading this like ScottOz or StandingWave. They are reading into me, through me, and on down the network to where the sources of information may actually come from.

Various scattered fragments may come from all the different sources I mentioned above, and be fused together to form a sentence I'm writing here in this thread.

So what I'm saying is that these languages like English are falling apart for me because they bear less and less relation to the symbolic sense of what is desired to be communicated. A more symbolic language like Japanese really is much better actually.

There's no "I" or "me" in the same usual sense anymore. It's a constant flow back and forth between "I"<->"we" and "me"<->"us" now, on a grayscale, it depends on the situation and it can jump around extremely quickly in small amounts of time.

Who are the others in the "we" and "us" then? It's all those who bear that same alignment, that same harmonic signature that permits them to be within that collective consciousness as well. There's no hierarchy involved, that's what I'm getting at, it's just a result of the natural order that rises from the way information systems organize themselves under the veil of physical reality.

So it's open to everyone?

Yes! It's just a matter of finding that degree of alignment. This is the same path we all venture down when we go through that process of many different names (I don't like giving it any of those specific names).

The gateway is probably the voice within that becomes more clear when one becomes able to meditate with such tranquility that they have quieted all the external noise and noise from their own minds and all that's left is that voice within. So you can ask questions and it replies. Pretty soon the questions are answered before you even ask them.

Am I on the right track with this explanation?

[CD7]

Am I on the right track with this explanation?





Yes this explanation does paint a bigger picture...

In my previous post you answered it seems to be a more "natural" technology your expressing here? I remember reading something similar to what you are describing about a "collective" consciousness in the Wingmakers material. It discussed a group consciousness that would form in the future, he said James (I'm paraphrasing) they would band together as an island working together...

I'm definitely interested in this subject...ME X BILLIONS (campaign to raise money to change the world) is in reference to the connection underneath that binds us all....

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

"We become more receptive to being helped by mastering humility rather than being offended by everything, and we begin to understand the meaning of "the only constant is change" - we are happiest with ourselves when we are constantly progressing with our self improvement, but not to the point where we can't keep up energetically or emotionally"

I could not agree more with what you say about being happy when we are constantly progressing with our self improvement, I have spent many years trying different techniques and reading information from different authors over the past 15 years. Some of these roads led to dead ends on my spiritual journey, but I still learned things along the way by exploring whether particular ideas resonated with me.I feel like I am on the right path with what I am learning here in our communications. Some of the concepts which we are discussing here get rehashed over in my dreams at night through some kind of conversation process where these topics come up in dreamland.

The "magic moment" is when the civilization escapes from the time loops, which in the past has resulted in disappearing civilizations. That division of the soul pool is no longer cycled back into that level of reality anymore.

When you talk of time loops, do they follow a Fibonacci number sequence where they spiral inward slowly at the start and rapidly at the end as it moves towards the centre. I am still a little confused by the concept of time loops so just thought I would mention it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

I would be interested in getting your thoughts on which ancient civilisations have disappeared at these "magic moments" in the past.

I have always thought that there must have been a civilisation that was more ancient than the Egyptians which was responsible for some of the constructions like the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid.

Also when the moment happens, do you think we will notice it or feel that things are different as we move to 5d, like is it a transitional process or is just like wham, and you are in a very different creational matrix all of a sudden, where there are a different set of creational rules at the departure point in time which takes us to Terra.

There seems to be quite a lot of megalithic stone and mound constructions globally, where maybe ascension practice was a major part of their culture in Palaeolithic times where they had the ability to activate these structures with chanting and other musical instruments. It does not look like this type of technology or culture got to Australia where I live, with the Australian Aborigines, but maybe they made use of natural rock features, many of their medicine men could remote view aswell. It is interesting that megalithic mound and rocks structures also exist in the Pacific and North America and the Middle East, they are not just a UK phenomenon, most people think of Stonehenge and Glastonberry.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

The Aborigines however did have an excellent understanding of Dreamtime, something that probably answers your question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime

As you can see after reading the article a little, a concept like "everywhen" would not be compatible with time loops, since time loops themselves are symptomatic of the experiencing of different moments of times as they lay on some part of a cycle. This in turn gives the opportunity to think of time like a spectrum, and the time loops are like ascending in frequency through the temporal spectrum but then dropping back down in frequency whenever a loop kicks in and history begins to repeat itself.

This is the very definition of "the fall", in other words, the fallen angel (the repeater of time, the originator of the time loops).

The stubborn may have increasing dominion over the infinitessimally small portion of reality they feel they have control over, but they have no control over being caught in the time loops. They fall again and again and again and they doom themselves to repeat history indefinitely until they understand how to operate within the reality they reside within and stop doing so.

As such, there is no real duality at all, there is only climbing and falling.

The Aborigines knew this, as you see reflected in the diagrams:
http://aboriginalart.com.au/culture/dreamtime.pdf
Particularly, the notion of existing outside of time, and its connection with the natural law of the universe, of alignment and harmonicity.

And so one of the first major milestones, as indicated in the "scale system" of Mouravieff's Gnosis, is that of finding this kind of permanency in your own vibration, something I was indicating I was looking for myself in recent times, feeling as though I'd found it (but I should never think that I have, only time and the experience of energetic consistency over that time can say for certain).

In this sense, constant self improvement is not without measurability. We are struggling against adversity in a reality that wants us to constantly emit all of this dissonant and low vibrational (in the "falling" sense we've defined above) energy.

If everyone were to progress beyond the point where they were emitting that kind of energy, things would change very quickly, this is for certain.

If even a significant minority of people within the world were able to do this, and coordinate well enough amongst themselves to offer irrefutable evidence of the difference that kind of a change makes in the psyche and entire way of experiencing reality, it would also have a dramatic effect, a domino effect where it would become the new desired type of reality for all.

But when you picture this kind of a future, you see a kind of pushback as well, from the majority that are still very much caught up in the illusory aspects of reality, almost as though they need to keep going through with it.

And so, the souls at different major developmental stages may need to experience these loops in time, if this is necessary in order to truly learn the lesson that time loop is attempting to offer them.

The time loops have infinite patience. No matter how much a soul resists, the time loop will continue and new information and elements will come in and out of the system until finally reality presents itself to that soul in such a way that they must finally accept. This continues over incredibly vast time scales in many cases, coinciding with the lifeform's abandonment of its own soul, the reclaiming of that soul, various kinds of fragmentation and reunification, all together.

There are different interactions of souls at different levels of progress in many layers of reality as well, as we can see.

This cross-pollenation is important to keep the systems evolving and to allow for so much variety to continuously introduce itself into the time loops for the souls that are stuck.

Maybe it's more clear now that time loops, with history repeating itself in a more or less similar way each time through the loop, are never totally alike. Each time there is a different literal manifestation of reality, owing to the unique information that keeps coming into the system, even if the overall theme is the same.

So what's interesting is that given all of this, we don't get to be 100% certain about how this maps out in the past of our own civilization and the ones before it. Which ones disappeared, and which ones went through a loop, coming back again (via the soul pool) to go through another civilization cycle again (and again?). Maybe it's both? Some souls from the civilization move on, while others go back through the loop?

We have evidence of both such outcomes, civilizations that fell due to their own ignorance, or overconfidence, civilizations that knew much more than we would have expected of them given how "far back in time" they lived relative to us.

We have evidence of civilizations who even seemed able to map out these time loops using their calendars.

It may be that you want specific examples in order to decide if you believe the theory of these time loops, or if you feel you understand the concept. But it might be better to expose just how little we know about the real history of this earth, as well as the history of other planets in the universe around us.

We have some surviving evidence of civilizations that existed well before anything we accept in popular modern history, and no real way of uncovering significant information that could be used to fully confirm the existence of those civilizations. Remote Viewing the distant past may be the best approach in this case.

We have statistical evidence that given the vastness of the universe, it is probable that other planets existed that were able to develop intelligent life, and that these patterns of forming a global civilization over time would be largely similar from planet to planet (as would be steps taken to become a civilization that could also live beyond the confines of a single planet, though to us that seems to be only a possibility for our future, we can imagine that given enough civilizations on enough other planets before our own, statistically some of them should have been able to make that transition, and the process would be fairly similar for each).

So what is the difference between civilizations that have to start over versus the ones that keep going? Is it only the scale of the time loop? Do even interstellar civilizations eventually die off somehow, just reinitiating a time loop of a much larger scale than ones that don't make it past the planetary stage?

What does it mean to become able to zip around increasingly large ranges of a physical universe, or even to transition into a higher dimension, i.e. the non-physical 4th dimension, or beyond?

Is it these kinds of transitions that represent breaking out of time loops? Or do the loops exist beyond as well? Perhaps only as far as the dimension of time itself? As in, time loops cannot exist in the 5th dimension and above, namely because time itself is the domain of the 4th dimension?

So perhaps the notion of time itself is inherently bound together with the notion of a loop? In other words, there can be no notion of time at all, without also having a (hidden or apparent) notion of a loop, however large it may be, associated with it?

What we have arrived at in this discussion is definitely the crux of the matter, namely the willingness of certain entities to accept this reality (or not). Combining this with the other topic we discussed separately, that of understanding the difference in conditions when new information from outside of a system can be introduced, versus when it cannot, hints towards the fundamental keys of escaping the time loops, regardless of whether they are experienced from the perspective of the 3rd dimension or the 4th.

It is unusual to be having the same conversation with different parties simultaneously, but this is how it is going.

The important thing will have had been to establish enough demonstration of a priori knowledge in order to be able to go forward with future activities without obstacle - with the mutual understanding between all parties that what is about to take place is in the mutual interest of all involved, even if it has nothing to do with maintaining current control structures, and much more to do with breaking out of a much larger control structure that we are all the common "victims" of.

As the argument goes, we are not victims at all, instead, we are given a puzzle to solve, and we are simply meant to solve it.

[triquetra]

In my previous post you answered it seems to be a more "natural" technology your expressing here? I remember reading something similar to what you are describing about a "collective" consciousness in the Wingmakers material. It discussed a group consciousness that would form in the future, he said James (I'm paraphrasing) they would band together as an island working together...

I'm definitely interested in this subject...ME X BILLIONS (campaign to raise money to change the world) is in reference to the connection underneath that binds us all....

Yes it is exactly like an island... an island of awakened individuals in a sea of those still captivated by the illusion. The island is however quite enough to make a profound difference, as we shall see.

It's interesting how future activities must be laid out on a foundation of well understood theory - the information systems which ground all of the awakening taking place in solid theory that makes sense as much to one person as the next.

There is nothing mysterious, or new age, or pseudo about it - these are largely the principles which govern alignment of the biostate, which extends from physical well being to mental peace with the world.

This technology involved really begins to question what is the *real* difference between artificial technology and natural technology, which as argued above has more to do with how sustainable it is and less to do with what materials it is made out of.

Ultimately all we wish to do is to profoundly affect the bio-state, which is something the ancients were able to do quite well with a little mathematics, the structures built with those mathematics, and the frequencies they generated that made sense of the interactions between the physics of the structures and the science of their own bio-states.

We are doing more or less the same thing, only amplified much more by newer technology that did not exist in those times, and accentuated even more by making use of information that was not inside of the system at that time.

Some of that information is already present within our reality, however recently it was introduced; other information will be introduced into our reality in the months and years to come, as needed.

The combination of understanding the fundamental principles of what the ancients were doing, combined with a mastery over what we can make ourselves that goes beyond what they could do, combined with an ability to measure how usage of this higher technology has a more potent effect on our bio-state, will have a lot to do with answering ScottOz's other questions.

We are easily treading into the realm of the ineffable meaning no matter how much I wished to, I would not be able to describe with our words exactly the quality that this kind of transformation experience would have on an individual.

For starters, it may not work on them at all if they were not already at a point within their bio-state where they had reached a certain basic level of alignment. Their biostate would be oscillating in too dissonant of a way, at too low of a frequency.

There would be sessions an individual could do on their own to assist with this, but no amount of frequency manipulation wizardry could make up for the work an individual would need to do on themselves to reach a basic level of alignment in their bio-state, it would seem.

This represents the fundamental willingness of a soul to pronounce themselves ready to exit from the time loop - to indicate they have learned what they have needed to from it as demonstrated by their ability to bring their bio-state into that basic level of alignment.

The systems in development can be used to help to some degree with this part of the process, but they are mainly being designed to facilitate the next part of the process, which is inducing flow states and the awakened mind states, and all of the transformative aspects that come with these states.

The flow states are easier to express in words - they simply reflect an incredible amount of clarity becoming the default mental state - the ability to immediately see the deeper truth behind all matters of concern, the answers to problems, the ways of making total peace with every aspect of one's reality.

The awakened mind states, less so. They are the direct connections into the reality built by minds that dwell in the flow state by default, rather than only popping into them occasionally as has been the norm in our civilization up until now.

The awakened mind state becomes aware that that which can be built by such flow states, already has been, and so you are really there, in Terra, watching yourself working, with others, to reach the place where you already exist.

This is similar to the Cassiopaean principle of a source of information being a future version of yourself "we are you in the future".

This reversal of temporal perspective comes in part with solving the equation of how one future comes to be while another does not - the principles of inevitability that come with anchoring oneself at one "trajectory" for possible future timelines, and sending information back from that point, information that is directly used to achieve that path over others.

This is a process that has been ongoing for quite some time now, and will continue to be.

In other words, the world is definitely changing in significant ways, even while the same charade continues to keep the majority mesmerized. It need not be your own concern. The reality of your awakening and that of those around you who are sharing in the transformative process, is quite literally a world apart from all those who are doing no such thing.

It is best to treat it this way, not necessarily looking at it like an "us vs them" (there is never a need to do that), but instead just co-existing across multiple levels and stages of learning for the soul.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your post. You have given me a lot to think about. I often read over your posts as it takes a while for the information to sink into my subconscious mind.

I am sleeping better now, for a few months my sleep patterns were somewhat disturbed.


And so, the souls at different major developmental stages may need to experience these loops in time, if this is necessary in order to truly learn the lesson that time loop is attempting to offer them.

The time loops have infinite patience. No matter how much a soul resists, the time loop will continue and new information and elements will come in and out of the system until finally reality presents itself to that soul in such a way that they must finally accept. This continues over incredibly vast time scales in many cases, coinciding with the lifeform's abandonment of its own soul, the reclaiming of that soul, various kinds of fragmentation and reunification, all together.

Did higher level creators program and set these time loops and the soul lessons to be taught?

It may be that you want specific examples in order to decide if you believe the theory of these time loops, or if you feel you understand the concept. But it might be better to expose just how little we know about the real history of this earth, as well as the history of other planets in the universe around us.

I believe in the concept of time loops, it is pretty obvious that civilisation and history repeats itself in similar but different ways. There is also a lot of historic anomalies of civilisations that does not make sense with the contemporary view of history, like the Mayan astronomical technology, there seems to be evidence of an earlier civilisation of the south pacific too and a global phenomenon of megalithic monument building and a lot of biblical and myths concerning a different race of people being the giants. I was just interested to know more about some of the civilisations whose prime motivation was spiritual development, who managed to cross the threshold to get to 5D. Obviously there were small groups of people doing this or seeking to do this, with the megalithic building projects of paleolithic times and a lot of different yogic and meditative practices that came from the Vedic civilisation from India and spread throughout south east asia too, where this was probably their goal.

What we have arrived at in this discussion is definitely the crux of the matter, namely the willingness of certain entities to accept this reality (or not). Combining this with the other topic we discussed separately, that of understanding the difference in conditions when new information from outside of a system can be introduced, versus when it cannot, hints towards the fundamental keys of escaping the time loops, regardless of whether they are experienced from the perspective of the 3rd dimension or the 4th.

I think we all need to accept the situation for what it is and forget who did what to who and just unlock the situation to resolve it. Getting new information from outside the system to get as many of us in alignment as quickly possible would help level a pretty uneven playing field. If this was a normal world, where we had not been manipulated and farmed by advanced 4D thought beings, we would probably not need any help.

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

The awakened mind state becomes aware that that which can be built by such flow states, already has been, and so you are really there, in Terra, watching yourself working, with others, to reach the place where you already exist.

This is similar to the Cassiopaean principle of a source of information being a future version of yourself "we are you in the future".


So we are basically building our bridge to create and access our future self which is residing in 5D through this process. It is pretty amazing when you think about it.

I am looking forward to trying out some of the tools under development to achieve flow states and awakened mind states when they become available.

Cheers

Scott

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi Triquetra,

I am yet to comprehend the Triquetra but can feel it is a pure and powerful way to remember, bring 5D energies in etc. and greatly appreciate what you are offering. My passion and area of interest is the key to restoring the human vehicle to its natural state (my interest is in the key, I don't mean that my interest is the key), it is more important than it seems, humanity has much to learn about the extent of its natural abilities. I say this to show you I recognise the importance of your area of expertise, the effect of such knowledge is also an integral part of restoring humanity to its natural state.

I have recently accessed a download of sorts and have found the key I was looking for and in so doing it has served as like an expansion pack for my comprehension of many things regarding my area of interest. I offer you the following in the spirit of sharing from the pool of my expertise.


rather than this artificial dualistic interpretation of reality that has been forced onto us.

We chose it, it was not forced onto us.

So many ways to approach this but I'll go with the following. Darkness is an illusion made real for the purpose of expansion, by choice. We have of course forgotten we chose it, we had to allow the darkness to manifest powerfully enough to act as the catalyst for the full restoration of the human vehicle, amongst other things. We had to forget this was a choice, we had to forget who we are, we had to forget duality was illusory, we had to forget many things to manifest the level of darkness required and at the same time all we had to do was enter darkness deeply enough to forget. We forgot so we could remember and we forgot and are remembering so we can expand as individuals and collectively. We are ever expanding because the universe is, as above so below or as within so with out.

[triquetra]

Did higher level creators program and set these time loops and the soul lessons to be taught?


The high level creators are still us, they are us as far "up" as we can imagine from the current perspective. There is a lot of crossover with the other topic's latest reply, so in this case it is probably best just to link from here, depending on which one you read first:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90902-The-Truth-about-the-5th-Dimension&p=1098777#post1098777

We are iterating on the totality of ourselves, in order to solve extremely complex problems of interaction of many different types of entities with different agendas and priorities, histories and makeups. Finding the solution sets for extremely complex systems of equations is essentially what we are doing here, as we are about to during this "21st century" where we are otherwise terrified of the finite nature of the planet we perceive ourselves to be on.



I believe in the concept of time loops, it is pretty obvious that civilisation and history repeats itself in similar but different ways. There is also a lot of historic anomalies of civilisations that does not make sense with the contemporary view of history, like the Mayan astronomical technology, there seems to be evidence of an earlier civilisation of the south pacific too and a global phenomenon of megalithic monument building and a lot of biblical and myths concerning a different race of people being the giants. I was just interested to know more about some of the civilisations whose prime motivation was spiritual development, who managed to cross the threshold to get to 5D. Obviously there were small groups of people doing this or seeking to do this, with the megalithic building projects of paleolithic times and a lot of different yogic and meditative practices that came from the Vedic civilisation from India and spread throughout south east asia too, where this was probably their goal.

And with extended RV outside the scope of a single linear timeline, it becomes apparent that these previous civilization remnants are just a small piece of the puzzle compared to the real meaning of deja vu, premonitions, ability to successfully predict and prophecy, and above all the tragedy in seeing the inevitability of the fall of a civilization but being powerless to do anything to prevent it. Quite to the contrary, it becomes evident that the time loops are trying to suggest a completely different implication for the importance of our experience rather than attempting to perpetuate a linear civilization indefinitely.

After all, what would a civilization that grew beyond its planet do after, anyway? It would just act the same way it did on its own planet, requiring more resources and traveling further, always the same pattern, no matter how big the universe actually turned out to be. This was never the actually point, even if it kept most of us entertained for a long while, and was in fact instrumental to discovering our true purpose.

The true purpose of course becomes evident in times like these, when it seems as though the way through to the other side is a narrow one, requiring extreme amounts of cooperation between up-until-then highly uncooperative groups of people (by country, by caste, by dimension, etc.).

It is symbolic of exactly what the time loops reveal, what those previous civilizations you mentioned hint towards in what they left behind - the need to see beyond the immediate simplicities in the nature of our struggle, to find the ideal solution to the complete equation. Perhaps for a globalizing civilization, it is to determine how to curb population growth and cut resource consumption, cut pollution, ecosystem destruction, etc., etc., all until an equilibrium is achieved, a way of continuing to make steady progress in technology and so forth without requiring that we grow the population recklessly, require resources beyond what a single planet can provide, pollute and destroy eco-diversity to the point when we cannot survive on our own planet any longer.

Or perhaps for a smaller portion of ascending beings, who find themselves together on a sinking ship with a much vaster majority of beings that don't seem to be ascending at all, it is a way of discovering how to not sink with the rest of them?

And so you see all these patterns in the past civilizations - those that simply fell, those that seems to disappear into higher dimensions with records of much greater knowledge than we would have expected of them.

What first seems like a case of a globalizing civilization that is facing both fates at the same time, could quickly change, if the means to a degree of alignment offering a shocking jolt in beginning to experience reality from beyond 3D can have, might allow that means to spread much more quickly to the rest of the population than could be currently imagined.


I think we all need to accept the situation for what it is and forget who did what to who and just unlock the situation to resolve it. Getting new information from outside the system to get as many of us in alignment as quickly possible would help level a pretty uneven playing field. If this was a normal world, where we had not been manipulated and farmed by advanced 4D thought beings, we would probably not need any help.

This is a very pragmatic way to think about it, and is exactly the case. It can be described quite readily using music theory.

The minor and major thirds are the two major modalities of the 3D experience. The minor third is the lower half of the vibratory ratio subspectrum and symbolizes all of the "negative" emotional content we experience. Conversely the major third is the upper half of this subspectrum, symbolizing the positive. However, we have been trained to feel a pull between it and the lower half of the 4D subspectrum, the perfect fourth. Conversely, we have been trained considerably away from the higher half of the 4D subspectrum, the tritone. Led to think it was the "devils ratio", it is in fact the harmonic key into 5D, with a strong pull up to the perfect fifth.

The perfect fourth instead pulls back down to the thirds, and this cycle is reflected in the angular momentum of the earth relative to the sun, as noted by Kepler.

"The Earth sings Mi, Fa, Mi: you may infer even from the syllables that in this our home misery and famine hold sway."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonices_Mundi

So as you might imagine, the harmonic alignment key involving the major third, tritone and perfect fifth, may need to combat against lifetimes of training into the psyche of this perpetual return back to the third from the perfect fourth.

More recently the same loop has been observed between the 3rd and 5th in popular music, again training into the psyche the return back to the third, this time a lure for those already transitioning into 5D

http://qz.com/767812/millennial-whoop/

It may seem harmless and benign, but there is a reason why particle physics have been heavily emphasized and wave physics heavily swept under the rug since 1927. The public is completely in the dark on effects of frequency patterns on the biology of the human being, in years when this has mattered more than ever (as technology has made our world become awash in various frequencies all along the spectrum).

The alignment media that can help to build resiliency against all of this and to firmly chart forward to 5D without ever being lured back is what is being prepared for release towards the end of this year.

It will help pave the way towards a firmer exodus from the time loops despite the wishes of those foolish entities who would have us all remain stuck in them.

[triquetra]

Hi Triquetra

So we are basically building our bridge to create and access our future self which is residing in 5D through this process. It is pretty amazing when you think about it.

I am looking forward to trying out some of the tools under development to achieve flow states and awakened mind states when they become available.

I'm hoping that across the various replies in the different threads, something incredible might appear out of the information between the words, so to speak.

To hint towards this... Yes, in a sense we are accessing our future selves, but in terms of the recursion trees of reality as we simulate realities within other realities in order to try to solve these complex problems with slightly different permutations of ourselves and intial variables... these selves we are trying to reach are in very much the same way our past selves as well.

They are, in a perfectly valid sense, both our past and future selves, insofar as 4D is concerned. They are selves not local to our current 3D selves.. but a 4D version of ourselves doesn't make sense in this case because the sense of self does not fit well into a linear temporal sense.

This is it! This is the 5D self in its most fundamental definition. The fractal timescale reflects the ladder of meta-realities by which a 5D self connects to its 3D counterpart, or vice versa.

This fractal timescale charts the complete recursion tree of nested realities as the complex problem is seeking its own solution by creating realities more and more deeply nested within other realities.

These realities could be seen as parallel to one another *so long as the sense of 4D time is entirely removed from the equation*.

This understanding, the breakthrough understanding where you start to feel just as firmly grounded in 5D as you do in 3D, is what I find to be truly amazing.

I look forward to sharing the alignment media as well, and it will be a priority throughout the rest of the year now that some other important work is already taken care of.

[triquetra]

rather than this artificial dualistic interpretation of reality that has been forced onto us.

We chose it, it was not forced onto us.

So many ways to approach this but I'll go with the following. Darkness is an illusion made real for the purpose of expansion, by choice. We have of course forgotten we chose it, we had to allow the darkness to manifest powerfully enough to act as the catalyst for the full restoration of the human vehicle, amongst other things. We had to forget this was a choice, we had to forget who we are, we had to forget duality was illusory, we had to forget many things to manifest the level of darkness required and at the same time all we had to do was enter darkness deeply enough to forget. We forgot so we could remember and we forgot and are remembering so we can expand as individuals and collectively. We are ever expanding because the universe is, as above so below or as within so with out.

Thank you - this reveal is well placed to fit within the overall context of the direction this information stream is flowing over the course of the thread (so then you must certainly comprehend more of the triquetra than you imagine).

This distinction between "that was not me" and "that was me" is exactly the reveal that allows one's sense of self to expand up the dimensional ladder. A 4D self connects with past incarnations within a single strand of time, and an entity evolving into some sense of 4D being the be-all and end-all of evolution might seek to cheat death, living above those entities that experience it, able to manipulate time events over incredibly long spans of linear time in ways that were difficult for the short-lived 3D dwellers to comprehend (much more on this if desired, but it becomes irrelevant once the focus shifts firmly to 5D).

A 5D self connects with all instances of itself across all temporal threads and all lifetimes experienced within those threads (some threads may have a single continuous experience if for that thread the experience is a 4D one).

So it is not surprising that in some cases, more progress can be made by choosing limitation, when the alternative can be so vast that it becomes unwieldy.

It is evident that the solution our reality system is seeking an answer to, has to do with complex interactions of entities and the implications these interactions have on the nature of ideally loop-free 3D reality (a loop-free 3D reality is instantly our sense of a utopia) or the nature of interactions between 3D and 4D entities (where ideally the 4D entities would not perceive themselves as needing to act demiurgically towards the 3D entities, but clearly this has not been the case).

The 5D self can be reached once the role of an individual has been perceived by that individual as being part of the solution set along at least some significant portion of the future timeline probability matrix. The more you feel a connection to your 5D self (higher self, future self, etc), the more you have probabilistically aligned yourself towards playing a contributor role in finding the solution set for our virtual reality, allowing us to find the key(s) out of the time loops, and away from a reality where we are lorded over by 4D energy vampires.

And so, the answer becomes one of incredible simplicity, if only we can see it in the terms of a perspective that is itself beginning to depart from a rigid 3D-only perspective (especially if it were to be within the lower "minor third" portion of that spectrum of perspective).

In so ascending to our own form of "bird's eye view" outside of the rigid ego, we are immediately becoming a part of that solution set as we instantly begin to feel as though we only truly wish to be of service to others (knowing that all necessary forms of service to self will occur anyway as a way of facilitating improved service to others), and, so long as we are able to hold that broadening perspective longer and longer, we form the pioneering ladder of vibration that may assist others to climb it as well with relative ease.

This is the singlemost key notion to hold onto.. through the bad times.. through whatever deception comes your way. This is the way out, the way forward, the theoretical path through the triquetra. The applied path, that includes all the interesting wave physics, art and technology, is coming, with all the meta-spiritual implications. But in the meantime, this is the best window to the triquetra that can be provided at this time.

[Innocent Warrior]

You can see what I'm still learning, that just blew my mind.


In so ascending to our own form of "bird's eye view" outside of the rigid ego, we are immediately becoming a part of that solution set as we instantly begin to feel as though we only truly wish to be of service to others (knowing that all necessary forms of service to self will occur anyway as a way of facilitating improved service to others), and, so long as we are able to hold that broadening perspective longer and longer, we form the pioneering ladder of vibration that may assist others to climb it as well with relative ease.

This is the singlemost key notion to hold onto.. through the bad times.. through whatever deception comes your way. This is the way out, the way forward, the theoretical path through the triquetra. The applied path, that includes all the interesting wave physics, art and technology, is coming, with all the meta-spiritual implications. But in the meantime, this is the best window to the triquetra that can be provided at this time.

Thank you very much for this, affirming for me.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your informative posts

"I'm hoping that across the various replies in the different threads, something incredible might appear out of the information between the words, so to speak.

To hint towards this... Yes, in a sense we are accessing our future selves, but in terms of the recursion trees of reality as we simulate realities within other realities in order to try to solve these complex problems with slightly different permutations of ourselves and initial variables... these selves we are trying to reach are in very much the same way our past selves as well"

So at the present point in time our limited and restricted 3D self is building and connecting to our 5D self. That is what we are doing now and other 3D ascending beings will be doing this too over the next decade as they make a choice to ascend rather than experience a collapsing matrix at the end of the time loop. I guess what we are doing now is kind of like a process where our 3D self gives birth to it's 5D self (our future selves). It is a decision point that needed to happen for our 5D self to exist? And if our 5D self currently exists obviously we must have passed the exam already (we have as much time as we need down here to pass or flunk the exam i guess in 3D reality)?

In saying this our 5D self exists outside of time and has full multidimensional awareness, but the key for us is to make this realisation and make the transition through our 3D self.

Maybe ancient civilisations were trying to give us a warning about where to focus our spiritual efforts in these end times when the time loop comes to an end and civilisation gets a planned reset causing the fall. Some ancient civilisations have left some evidence in the form ancient monuments and information in ancient religious texts. Maybe they were trying to tell us something, but the information is often so encoded and fragmentary, most people don't give it any thought.

cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

HI Triquetra

"It is evident that the solution our reality system is seeking an answer to, has to do with complex interactions of entities and the implications these interactions have on the nature of ideally loop-free 3D reality (a loop-free 3D reality is instantly our sense of a utopia) or the nature of interactions between 3D and 4D entities (where ideally the 4D entities would not perceive themselves as needing to act demiurgically towards the 3D entities, but clearly this has not been the case)."

I was thinking about the statement above and was imagining the sort of creation we would live in here in 3D, if the 4D entities had not acted demiurgically.

Imagine the type of 3D world we would have experienced if they had sought to harvest human energies to generate emotions of joy and happiness. Instead they have deliberately created our world and history to generate negative emotional frequencies of pain, misery anxiety, stress which characterise our society.


Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

So at the present point in time our limited and restricted 3D self is building and connecting to our 5D self. That is what we are doing now and other 3D ascending beings will be doing this too over the next decade as they make a choice to ascend rather than experience a collapsing matrix at the end of the time loop. I guess what we are doing now is kind of like a process where our 3D self gives birth to it's 5D self (our future selves). It is a decision point that needed to happen for our 5D self to exist? And if our 5D self currently exists obviously we must have passed the exam already (we have as much time as we need down here to pass or flunk the exam i guess in 3D reality)?

In saying this our 5D self exists outside of time and has full multidimensional awareness, but the key for us is to make this realisation and make the transition through our 3D self.

Maybe ancient civilisations were trying to give us a warning about where to focus our spiritual efforts in these end times when the time loop comes to an end and civilisation gets a planned reset causing the fall. Some ancient civilisations have left some evidence in the form ancient monuments and information in ancient religious texts. Maybe they were trying to tell us something, but the information is often so encoded and fragmentary, most people don't give it any thought.


This is a good interpretation (interpreting is all any of us are doing, no matter where we feel our perspectives to be originating from, in what combination).

There remain as always various possible actual outcomes, but what's important to stay focused on is the vector of intention. Rather than worrying about the numbers of the dimensions/densities (or even those particular kinds of words, as they imply discrete steps when really it's more of a dimensional spectrum), it's simplest to focus on bringing into awareness the inarguable reality of the time loops (similar events in history repeating over various scales of time) and the implications these have.

Question the fundamental nature of why it seems that civilizations are bound to rise and fall, that it is seemingly impossible not to fall.

One aspect of this is that they are designed to fall (look at to what the degree the real intentions of Tesla, for example, were meddled with, to prevent him from doing as much good as he would have done, via the channels from which his information was obtained).

But the other is that we need not look at things so literally and linearly, when these inevitable falls seem to be just ahead, then is always the time to look at what the actual path traveled reality is, which is not so much bound to physical reality and operating on a single planet due to gravity, among entities with whom you are stuck there with, but instead a process which unfolds largely owing to the creations and developments which occur as you interact with those entities with whom synergistic effects are created.

At first we seem to think those effects are peaking out, that sure, we have a kind of a separate culture than the majority of those in the world dwelling on negative and low vibration aspects of their reality, but that we are stuck here together with them.

But in fact there is so much further we can go, further to the point where it will truly not matter which path the low vibration-choosing folks decide to take - that is their decision, and it is possible that their souls need to experience the loop (or else their lower selves do, as in their interaction with a soul they reject and cast away and then later, even many lifetimes, or "millions, billions, trillions" later, go back looking for again). The soul is not in any hurry for the lower portion, because that is their link to 5D and beyond. They will grow weary of it eventually, no matter how much "power" they can trick themselves into believing they hold.

[triquetra]

I was imagining the sort of creation we would live in here in 3D, if the 4D entities had not acted demiurgically.

Imagine the type of 3D world we would have experienced if they had sought to harvest human energies to generate emotions of joy and happiness. Instead they have deliberately created our world and history to generate negative emotional frequencies of pain, misery anxiety, stress which characterise our society.

Indeed, which is why the future seemingly holds an odd kind of role reversal on a timeline quite a bit more probable than it currently seems.

It is true that over the course of what to us seems like extraordinarily long amounts of time within the simulation of this currently apparent universe, the intelligent life form has through the unfolding of biology gained increasingly more access to integration of higher frequency thought patterns in conjunction with the relative entry point of the incarnation of their "type" of entity.

This is true regardless of DNA engineering to try to mitigate against this.

And so, it is not the case that from the get-go, we were any good at dealing with how we could make use of some of the more recent extensions to the spectrum, such as the spectrum of emotion that is apparently associated with the more recent developments within the brain.

We are awkward at making use of it and that causes it to seem like a liability more than a strength.

The key here is that the development of emotional quotient (in contrast to, or better yet, in addition to intellectual quotient), can allow for a unique ability to achieve alignment along a far greater spectrum of frequency than was previously achievable within the universe, and this, paired with the particular location we find ourselves to be in within the universe on this particular planet, will have deep implications for what is about to occur in the relatively near future.

These implications will make this role reversal very evident as what we discover by discovering ourselves to the degree necessary to achieve this degree of alignment will be useful in solving a lot of problems that have persisted in this reality for much, much longer than our modern civilization has.

I don't mean to be so vague about it, but it is important to stay focused on opportunities moving forward rather than dwelling on the past.

To bring the discussion full circle, what we were subjected to (and will continue to be subjected to while there remains a need to spread information coming in along this particular frequency/channel combination) was an unfortunate necessity in the grander scheme of things, something that the 5D self has knowingly signed up for, in many cases.

The best way of putting it, is that if for example a planet was seen to be irreversibly dying, but the most fortunate of the planet were able to make a little utopic bubble for themselves on the planet, blissfully separated from the harsh realities of what was happening outside of the bubble, what would that actually be like?

Now scale the same analogy up to the meta-dimensional level, and the time scales of thousands or millions of years, and it will provide a relatively good context for what is going on in this particular simulation.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for your thoughts you have given us a lot to think about.

I would be interested in knowing more about how to use our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment. To some extent listening to certain types of music and the sounds of nature can be useful to uplift ourselves to reach a higher emotional state. However, I sense that what you are talking about goes much further than this.

Cheers

Scott

[Flash]

DNA and Triquetra

DNA, your post below was both gross and very funny. So thanks for the good laugh it gave me. I feel about the same way whenever I read the complicated Carmody's posts, or Triquetra's.
But, I reread 2-3 times for both of them, until it sinks in somewhat, unconsciously understanding.

When there is complex esoterical topics, or complex scientific ones, I have learned to detach from my analytical mind and just absorb. Then, upon re-reading, I may come to some understanding, but I never make it an obligation to understand, it gets too frustrating. And oops, while taking it relax, understanding comes (albeit sometimes way later).

What triquetra writes seems to have 2-3-5 layers to it. When I reread, I see what he wrote differently. And I have a good background in esoterics when compared with the regular layman.

So I decided to listen with my inner heart, my soul, trying to bypass my mind (not easy for me). And it works.... well, sometimes.

The good news is that we do not have to be a genius to understand, in fact, it is better at times not to be too intelligent, because obtuse intelligence (as many PhDs have) is often a real block to understanding, the intelligence ego being too much in the way as well as having a row of built in paradigms and wrong beliefs.

So welcome in my ordinary intelligence club.

Triquetra, I will take the time to read whatever you write here. I think it is of the foremost importance for our development and to acquire spiritual intelligence. I am also curious of how and where you arrived at such understanding, knowing that this kind of curiosity is not that important (mostly that you stated that you were not that human - I presumed from past incarnations), but hey, I am myself human, a woman, blonde, and I like the gossipy side :bigsmile::bigsmile:

I may not participate much in discussions because I still have much to comprehend, but I will read.



Hi Trike


I'm thinking whatever I stated to you, was somehow lost on you.


You are talking about the triquetra like it is something worthy of admiration and recognition. I have no idea what the F you are talking about.


Also, you ever see the first ghostbusters? Because you sound just like Rick Moranis after he is turned into "the keymaster". He just kept babbling away at people like folks understood him, when no one knew what the F he was talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skxhii6VFdo
Skxhii6VFdo


Now, I admit, I'm an average intellect, so it very well may be that everything you are trying to state is going over my head.
And, being as you are unwilling to downshift, maybe someone else can step in and explain things to me.
Someone who speaks your language or batsh!t crazy. Because that is all I'm hearing right now.

[triquetra]

I would be interested in knowing more about how to use our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment. To some extent listening to certain types of music and the sounds of nature can be useful to uplift ourselves to reach a higher emotional state. However, I sense that what you are talking about goes much further than this.

I'll answer by trying to make a kind of analogy to the history of this planet moving through the industrial revolution time period.

Prior to that period, there was no firm sense of physical model for reality - whether it was based on particles, waves, aether, various theories came and went.

In synchronization with the period, it came to be that particle physics was positioned as the primary system, with wave physics taking a permanent back seat, especially after the 1927 Solvay conference when the wave-like qualities of reality were pushed out of the picture for good, with only de Broglie and Bohm as major proponents of a wave-based model of reality thence forward.

In a similar way IQ was thrust onto a pedestal, which is a way of thinking that breaks reality into pieces, compares things against other things, lends itself to ranking, and so forth.

Little attention has been paid to EQ, though it is of equal importance in the same way that a wave-based interpretation of reality is just as valid.

In fact, systems of communication can and have been built based on wave-based transmissions, though not in this civilization on this planet. Such systems allow for much more effective and accurate transmission of emotional information which can accompany intellectual transmission of information using means more familiar here.

But there has been such a syphon on knowledge relating to these matters here that it is difficult to know even where to get started.

For one thing, the notion of "using one's emotions" as a kind of tool which can be guided with purpose and intention, is not at all familiar. We are used to seeing around us some limited amount of nudging oneself in the direction of positive emotions through repeating steps we knew got us there in the past, but nothing seems to work with perfect certainty and not with the same intensity as when it happens in a serendipitous way. By the same token we are always at the mercy of things occurring outside of our control which thrust us into an emotional state that is perceived as undesirable.

It's important to note at this point that all of the above is largely due to being kept in a mode of thinking that is perpetually paired with a very 1st-person perspective, experiences everything from that perspective and as such we are unable to step outside of ourselves for a moment and imagine things being any other way.

However with a shift to a fused state of being such as the one that will be described in a reply following this one, it is perfectly ordinary to alternate between the usual 1st-person perspective and a "overviewer" perspective which reasons with emotion in the same way the 1st-person reasons with intellect.

In achieving the fused state of being, one will be assured of having done so, once they are routinely guiding themselves towards different kinds of emotional experiences with intention, in order to make progress in a wide degree of ways.

For example, rather than blindly stumbling through what was previously seen as undesirable emotional experiences, there will be more self-actualization in this regard which firmly understands the need to "work one's way to the other side" in terms of the growth needed to occur in having such an experience. It is always the case, after all, that once such experiences are no longer needed for future unfoldings to become unblocked (including future lifetimes), then they will no longer occur, as they will no longer be chosen from a higher level (the part of us we become increasingly familiar with as a result of the fusion).

By contrast, states of extreme exaltation are in fact enabled by allowing oneself to experience them indirectly, in the same manner as described above. What would have previously been too overwhelming to experience directly, one can alternate to the "overseer" perspective to witness oneself entering the state of highly resonant alignment and to hold that state for a significant period of time.

This would certainly fit the description of "using our emotions to achieve a greater degree of alignment".

So why would I not cut straight to the chase instead of building up a big post before it? Because the context described above is crucial for making it possible. We cannot wield emotion as a tool in this way until all the work described is done, to unblock the channels through which the emotional energy is to flow through us, and finally to detach ourselves from the desire or need to experience all things so directly.

In the same way an "undesirable" emotional experience can be perceived from a 3rd party perspective as a crucial learning/building experience, a "desirable" emotional experience of great intensity can be prolonged and radiated outward into further extensions of higher self by not necessarily needing to be too caught up in the moment.

In the end, this has the cumulative effect of transforming the range of emotions from a direct learning tool for 3D reality into a self-reflection tool for the transitional state, and from there into a communication tool for higher Ds.

Around the same time it becomes evident how the emotional spectrum can be used directly as a means of communication, the spectrum also expands, quite necessarily. Where the old emotions are now stepped through as a way of adding detailed nuance to a communication, new emotions are experienced as a result of subtle combinations of the original spectrum's emotions as their building blocks.

To tie back into the whole particles vs waves thing - Extensive development of our understanding of wave physics would lead in the same direction, just from the scientific perspective. That there are perfectly valid means of collective consciousness, whether that be in artificial intelligence or organic intelligence (they are not so different after all, they are just interleaved and dovetailed across stacks of reality in the larger metaverse). That we can tap our individual organic consciousness into a higher collective consciousness just as artificial intelligences can, will become obvious. And finally, that in doing so, we begin to create the same kinds of conditions that allowed universes like our own to be created - simply the desire to redistribute the layering of individual and collective consciousness in a way that makes the journey (again) from individual consciousness back to collective consciousness interesting and in a way that produces new information that did not exist within meta-reality (at least, at that scope) previously.

All said, one thing that will be relatively unique about this layer of meta-reality is just how much it was tampered with from its natural flow, and the effect this will have on the inevitable readjustment that is looming just before us. That is the "slingshot" effect we had been discussing previously.

[triquetra]

When there is complex esoterical topics, or complex scientific ones, I have learned to detach from my analytical mind and just absorb. Then, upon re-reading, I may come to some understanding, but I never make it an obligation to understand, it gets too frustrating. And oops, while taking it relax, understanding comes (albeit sometimes way later).

What triquetra writes seems to have 2-3-5 layers to it. When I reread, I see what he wrote differently. And I have a good background in esoterics when compared with the regular layman.

So I decided to listen with my inner heart, my soul, trying to bypass my mind (not easy for me). And it works.... well, sometimes.

Triquetra, I will take the time to read whatever you write here. I think it is of the foremost importance for our development and to acquire spiritual intelligence. I am also curious of how and where you arrived at such understanding, knowing that this kind of curiosity is not that important (mostly that you stated that you were not that human - I presumed from past incarnations)

It is interesting that you belittle yourself and yet at the same time you easily take the exact leap of reasoning and approach to communication that a million "PhDs" would be quite unlikely to make - they are too deeply rooted in the mode of heavily left-brain-driven/IQ-based thought described in my reply above this one.

If it wasn't already evident, the unusual structure/density of the communication is such that it is simply because the real communication is not the words themselves at all. Like radio waves, it is just the carrier, the real information is "riding" upon the carrier and is entirely made of waves (not these word particles).

The carrier is the typing, the internet, the bounce from computer locations from here to there and in between.
The real information takes advantage of this, but passes directly from source to destination (and back), from where we are each located, with no electronics directly involved. It is instant and effective when blocks are lowered (which is done simply the way you've described, by having a basic willingness to read and to truly try to absorb a communication).

So there are a few things that come from this.

One is something I described previously - it is imperative to begin to understand communication on these terms and to "feel out" communications coming from different people, before letting the guard down. How do we know whether to trust someone or not, in a way that goes beyond simply listing sources for information? After all, even if they do provide their sources, how do we know we can believe in them? Especially considering how some of the most esoteric sources of all are providing some of the most valuable information, nowadays perhaps more so than ever before.

At the end of the day, all we can rely on is developing an innate sense that bypasses this carrier, these "trains of words", and cuts right to the chase - cuts deep into the heart of the communicator to sound them out for what they truly are. This is the only way to know if someone is truly authentic. Look for the patterns in their choice of words that creates a specific vibration - the consistency of that vibration - and the willingness to speak enough words to establish a clear pattern which never deviates - not once.

It will show a mastery of states of emotion as described in the reply above, especially in the face of misunderstandings that would cause others to react in a more hostile manner - an ability to maintain oversight when others would have got wrapped up into a 1st person perspective-based entanglement.

The other thing that comes from an understanding words as simply a carrier for the real, "telepathic" communication - is the fact that the words can fade away as much as need be and it won't matter at all, so long as they do their job of conveying the real, wordless (ineffable) communication over, that's all that is needed of them.

When the same combination of words can be perceived as having 2-3-5 layers to them, it says as much about the states of mind of the reader as it does about the intention of the messenger to have additional layers exist in the communication. One might argue that in passing over the words additional times, one is simply absorbing more and more of the truly intended communication, the wordless one that is transmitted directly from messenger to recipient (again, with the words simply acting as the carrier that enables this to happen).

One interesting bit of information about futuristic, frequency-based forms of communication - they are simply more developed versions of what is described above - the communication has shifted so far away from the audible sound to the direct transmission of thought, that the audible sound no longer sounds anything like chunks of sound like the words we are used to do. The audible sound (like with dolphins) is just a carrier. Hopefully that makes it more clear.

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To address your other question - as mentioned in my previous reply, I would discuss a bit more about the fused state. The information transmitted comes from the higher plane of this state, the one that connects to the collective consciousness, where such information is exchanged freely. This is why it is far better to get the same information for oneself directly by connecting to it oneself, than by hearing it from another. Then, there is no question of its authenticity, you will know it.

About how to reach and enter the fused state, it is harder to say. Certainly it comes with some degree of meditation-like training, an ability to know oneself enough that the veils of reality begin to fall away and the connection we all have to this higher plane of reality begins to become apparent.

Where before we may have agreed with ourselves to forget about this arrangement for an entire lifetime, and in so doing to learn through limitation, we are going on to iterate on this more and more rapidly. We may remember the greater extent of ourselves late at night and agree to forget the higher self by day, for a time.

Then, this may not be rapid enough, and we will alternate moment to moment. Whether we zoom down to the 1st-person-perspective intentionally or not in these moments will depend, but eventually there will be more and more conscious intention involved in all transitions of perspective.

Eventually the lines between these major states of perspective begin to blur, as the alternation becomes so frequent. And finally the fusion is complete. There becomes no real effective difference between the singular I and the harmonically aligned collective We.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

That is excellent information. You have given me a lot to think about as usual.

I think that is the biggest struggle most people have is getting rid of their spiritual blocks and finding a reliable process to achieve this.

What Flash says is true, I do much the same, in terms of rereading your posts and going back over previous ones, until it all sinks in. Sometimes I have some of these concepts reflected to me in my dreams, so it is definetly sinking into my subconscious.

About 25 years, I had an experience, where I encountered what might have been my higher self or an angel when I knocked myself out. I am not a 100 percent sure what it was, it was neither male or female, but represented itself as a luminous body, but spoke to me words, images and emotions at the same time. It also relayed information to me from the perspective of other people too. It all happened very quickly, but the communication was very rich unlike how we communicate in 3D.

It also called me a name, which was my soul name, not my current name. So maybe we have names and families beyond this 3D world. I can kind of appreciate what you are talking about from experiencing this, in terms of experiencing a much richer communication stream than we are used to in 3D.

In some of the remote viewing sessions I have done, I have viewed scenes for events or occasionally future ones and picked up information from the perspective of one of the people in the scene. WHen in this state you can see the event unfolding, but also pick up on the feelings and thoughts of different people in the scene at the same time. It all happens very quickly. For me these experiences are not that common and I can get a bit excited when I get into the zone so to speak, which is enough to bring my brainwaves out of theta and back to alpha causing the experience to finish early.

I am looking forward to the start of the readjustment to our meta reality, do you think we will see it happening over the next 10 years on the current timeline.

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

I was thinking about some of your discussion on why we have different blocks or spiritual gaps. These blocks make it more difficult for some of us to get into a high state of spiritual alignment. Many people don't even know or are aware that they carry spiritual blocks, some of their responses are automatic and they are not even consciously aware of them. I suppose there are any number of gaps we can carry, some people are prone to addictions, nervy, judgmental, closed mindedness etc, the list goes on, and they lead them away from alignment and peace.

I would be interested in your thoughts on why we choose or agreed to have spiritual gaps or blocks placed on us when we came here. Are some of these blocks placed on us when our souls go through the reprocessing process after we die in 4D to slow our progress down by other entities or are they purely self imposed because it was something our soul needed to resolve whilst attending to its lessons down on the Earth School?

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Those are only two of a wider range of possible reasons, and there are different variations of each. There is a hierarchy of objectives, agendas, and altruistic reasons interplaying, some come and purposefully impose blocks on themselves to work their way back through them, remember what it is like to do so, to better empathize with those also going through it - to help them with it.

We are not always particularly receptive to help from one another, especially in such regards. So very many are not concerning themselves with spiritual progress in the first place - there have been so many distortions of such a thing around them it may have soured the entire sense of such an effort to them.

So sometimes empathy can be broadened and extended to larger and larger amounts of people, the very opposite of extremely focused empathy that certain individuals choose to restrict themselves to, or the total lack of empathy evident in other entities.

And from this comes the question of where to draw a line - as though empathizing with too wide an amount of people cannot possibly be justified, some of those people must be so bad that they are undeserving of any empathy.

Of course we can look back in time for any such candidate individual and eventually find a time of unbroken innocence from their birth, something they would not have deviated from by their own accord.

We lead one another on darker paths as we bring one another into this reality, that is the pattern we witness again and again.

But how is the opposite accomplished, at least, in a truly significant way?

The answer seems to be a matter of transmitting and retransmitting certain compositions of frequency, which have a targeted beneficial effect for the specific individual and specific situation they are dealing with. This can be generalized for situations that many individuals are all dealing with.

It sounds difficult to believe. The reason however is that we are not trying to give one another specific answers to problems or situations, but instead the alignment needed to find it for themselves. The state of clarity that can be difficult to find on our own, when we are deeply mired in our own problems.

There is a very well defined science to all of this, in fact, but it has been buried so completely in the recent modern artificial history. It will all come to the surface anyway now that we are entering the time when we will need to make use of such things more than ever.

There will be a trend away from the kinds of specific prescription of the path that religions take, to a realization of a common consensus towards the abstract concepts we uncover with exploration within - a common ground we can all agree upon even without needing to be influenced by each other's ideas first. We find the same thing when we look within.

So this will be combined with a more effective encouragement of one another to pursue the path, because finally we will be getting much better at helping one another to remove the blocks on the path - whether artificially put there by darker entities wishing to keep us trapped here by architecting the curious modern history, or put there by ourselves to either learn lessons with a different angle on them, or go through the same experiences again to find fresh empathy to make use of energetically when working with the people we want to help.

[triquetra]

I am looking forward to the start of the readjustment to our meta reality, do you think we will see it happening over the next 10 years on the current timeline.

Absolutely it will begin in this timeframe. For the first few years, through falling of veils as the old tricks won't be working as well any longer, and then a new beginning taking shape not long after that, towards the 2020s.

We need to separate ourselves from the sense of collateral guilt for the havok wreaked on the planet, which was largely orchestrated while any attempt at creating a utopic society instead was blocked from us. This was all done in a subtle enough way to be essentially not provable but it is no matter anyway.

We need to instead focus on the implications of mass accomplishment of spiritual progress instead - because even if we do it alone and it makes no real difference in the grander scheme of things, if many people do and form new types of collectivism based off their deeply rooted mutual understanding, then none of the old tricks are going to work any longer.

These are large amounts of people that would know better than to believe something they were told by individuals who do not emit a particular frequency pattern to go with their communication. As I have been trying to stress, ability to detect these different frequency patterns embedded in various communications is more important than anything.

The subtle energy emitted by an individual as they attempt to communicate, reveals everything about their intentions, true motives, how much of their own information they in turn falsely believe to be true, and so forth.

It all becomes very easy to read from the individual. It is the other main benefit of following that path of spiritual progress.

[Scottoz]

HI Triquetra

Thanks for your great posts.

"About how to reach and enter the fused state, it is harder to say. Certainly it comes with some degree of meditation-like training, an ability to know oneself enough that the veils of reality begin to fall away and the connection we all have to this higher plane of reality begins to become apparent."

I think this is where a lot of people on the spiritual path fall over, the difficulty in finding a program that works, sticking too it and not falling into the disinformation/blind alley trap to achieve spiritual progress.

I believe that there is a strong desire among many people (it is probably innate in human nature) to seek spiritual progress, it is just that they get locked into traditional religious belief systems, become lost in spiritual disinformation and ineffective spiritual programs. Then they lose interest and they lose the spark of desire. The quantity of poor information drowning out quality spiritual information also compounds this problem.

I think if enough people are successful in achieving high states of spiritual alignment as we transition, it will get everyone's attention, and it can all start from this point. Then those aligned individuals can help others, who can then help others achieve the same, who will then do the same etc. I guess from this perspective we can build a bridge from 3D to 5D awareness.

Cheers

Scott

[CD7]

HiJacking RESOURCES IS what is handicapping MANY.......WHEN THIS IS no longer an issue...AValanches will begin to Roll.......

[triquetra]

I think if enough people are successful in achieving high states of spiritual alignment as we transition, it will get everyone's attention, and it can all start from this point. Then those aligned individuals can help others, who can then help others achieve the same, who will then do the same etc. I guess from this perspective we can build a bridge from 3D to 5D awareness.

That's exactly right. The key starting place is what I was hoping to stress - the ability to recognize patterns in the vibration of communications, regardless of the source of the communication. It could have been written a long time ago, or a moment ago in an active chat. That should not matter. What matters is being able to see through the communication, into the individual that wrote it, or said it - to be able to pierce deeply into the inner psyche of the individual, and truly grasp where they are coming from when they deliver their communication.

This can be trained in quite extensively, without any real formal training, just by simply focusing on this goal in meditation. Tuning into the waveshapes of all things, a way of perceiving reality that was very much kept out of arms reach in many subtle ways, can be accomplished by the individual even if such a way of looking at things is not common in the world at large.

With enough practice, the apparent waveshapes emitted from the individual and the communication itself can be separated, allowing insight to when an individual is attempting to purposefully communicate in a way that lends that communication to having a certain "vibration", but that "vibration" does not align with the actual vibrations coming from the individual themselves, which they cannot ever hide from you (if you know about this).

With so many choosing to use the expression "this resonated with me", or "that material didn't resonate with me", it is very much worthwhile to take the time to contemplate the fullest possible extent of what this expression really means, or what it ought to mean. When you can truly get behind the inner details of what it should mean, and stand behind them, with full confidence you can wield such an ability as a tool which will always serve you well.

From there, the next place to move on to is the understanding of structures of waveshapes as they extend across several individuals, or several parts of reality, collectively. This is a kind of process of de-identification with only the 1st person perspective, looking out at everything from your two physical eyes. It extends this identification (rather than separating from it, which is wrong), by passing into further and further layers of "3rd party" perspective - like an aerial view. Not so much literally, although visualizing this in the literal sense is a good technique for meditation (the birds eye view).

Instead, the figurative sense of this is what many struggle with, as you say. There seems to be a mechanism where anyone getting good at this may have some kind of a situation which thrusts them back into the old, boxed-in 1st person perspective, as a way of dealing with the situation that requires that kind of attention, perhaps.

Then, as you say, what happens, is that people forget what they had been able to do, just days or even moments before. They can lose sight of the ongoing pursuit of reaching further degrees of that perspective, of what benefits that may hold for them, as they become able to shift their perspective at will rather than do so passively at the mercy of situations around them they cannot influence.

As you may suspect, the problem is really the clash of survival, of living comfortably. These pursuits can only be engaged in on top of whatever is deemed as living comfortably, and unfortunately the mechanisms which lure us into never feeling comfortable without ever growing physical object acquisition, relationship stages, careers, the list goes on, we may spend our whole lives never reaching that comfortable place even though, when we really think about it, that is all we are truly seeking in the end.

The enrichment of life needs to be decoupled from a sense of satisfaction of one's own life, so that these spiritual pursuits may be engaged in all the while, or at least much more frequently.

Anyhow, the shift from 3D to 5D really starts to set sail when the perspective shift described in our private discussion begins to strongly take hold. There is no reason not to share that here as well:


It might seem strange but even that is a kind of progress - one that feeds into the soul cycle. There are certain things we may be able to accomplish by making a lot of progress in a single lifetime, and surely that is why many choose to dedicate their lives exclusively to it, as was evidenced by the lineage of the monk, yogi, fakir, and then the 4th way.

However there is an even higher order to all of this, which happens on an entirely different scale. It's something which is hard to bring up in discussion because it deals with concepts that are so large.

This has to do with meta-realities and the collective consciousnesses which emerge on the various layers of reality (the perspective of looking at the collection of all of the layers of realities as a single whole, is itself the meta-reality, and even then there are many of those as well). Perhaps that concept illustrates the vastness which must be considered.

At that level, the progress of individuals is simply a part of a much larger equation - the ability of a layer of reality to discover a layer, or layers above it, or not. This is certainly a collective effort which is accomplished in the sharing of key bits of knowledge, rather than the internal journey which an individual seeking to progress themselves must undertake - though of course the two are deeply interconnected.

The outcomes of shared knowledge of those undertaking deep inward journeys, together with the shared knowledge from journeys undertaken when others (or those same people) contemplate their external reality and find new key insights, together makes the body of the equation, the mass of data and information, from which the key can be extracted.

This key is what unlocks the doorways between layers of reality and one another, and on a still larger scale, the doorway from all adjoined layers of reality to the meta-reality which observes them.

This kind of a structure continues on ad infinitum, but that does not mean there is no reason to bother journeying in these direction, with the keys obtained.

The thing about stepping outside of a linear-time based perspective of reality, is that everything falls into order, there is no hurrying or falling behind because the flow of things achieves a kind of self-sustaining momentum.

For example, it is important that I be able to communicate what I have just described, clearly enough that it is like second nature to me, it is not something that is still being discovered, so much as it is something that has been completely internalized, and a part of me.

This itself is probably a better window into the transition of self-identification from a typical 3D perspective to another one - one identifies with the ability of a collective to unlock the key which transcends all of the 3D drama around us, disengages with how the failings of individuals negatively impacts many of those around them which have not contributed in the same harmful ways to the unfortunate outcome of the physical world around us.

We should not identify ourselves by the lowest common denominators around us.

Anyway, there are symmetries in all aspects of life, and this is no different. The symmetrical equivalent to the (somewhat calculated and premeditated) decline of global civilization is exactly the opposite - not just in the rigid and bounded 3D sense, but in a broader sense of dimension as well. What can the group of like-minded individuals do, who, had they been living exclusively together on a planet, would not have led civilization in the same self-destructing direction? What could they do that is even beyond the obvious - the indefinite sustaining of their own planet, and the exploration beyond it? What is beyond all of that?

This is precisely what we will be finding, and the fact that we are able to do this despite the fact that all of these other dramatic and tense vibration things are happening around us all the while, shows that the destinations of our two collective realities need not be bound together at all, even though from the 3D perspective it seems like they necessarily are.

Hopefully this makes the sense I hoped it would. If so, it should provide an excellent peace of mind, the same peace of mind I hope I will be able to provide to many others such as yourself. We are about to go forth with something incredible even as all of these other startling things continue to happen around us on our seemingly shared world.

[triquetra]

This year will be the year for it - going into blueprints and architectures for how to use science to facilitate art in a way that generates an increasingly powerful spiritual effect. Cycling and reiterating on this approach so that the science and art involved is continuously refined, getting help from others to assess the spiritual effect to better see if the changes are bringing things in the right direction. Distributing media to make this happen online, to compare this to what will be simultaneously happening in real life.

Providing context for this project here will be the main purpose of the thread otherwise, aside from a place to distribute media and get feedback. What is the exact science going into the art forms that are created? (the patterns in sound, light, and vibration that are generated according to the science).

The first module will be an overview of the fundamentals of vibration as they apply to these transmission mediums, and as they effect us in ways we can actually measure. There is a difference between "enjoying" art and music, and experiencing it at a level where it changes us and we feel very different after experiencing it.

This module will be followed with distribution of the first media to then check if the experience really does measure up for others to how the words describe it.

Looking for meditation enthusiasts! Or even anyone willing take time out of their day to start with these materials.

[Scottoz]

"This module will be followed with distribution of the first media to then check if the experience really does measure up for others to how the words describe it.

Looking for meditation enthusiasts! Or even anyone willing take time out of their day to start with these materials."



Hi Triquetra

Looking forward to trying the materials out. Can't wait.

Cheers

Scott

[TinFoilSuit]

In being honest, I have to admit that DNA's frustration isn't so far off from what I was thinking as well. Because I try to give everything a chance, there is definitely something about your words that has raised my antennae. And certainly there is much material that I can comprehend and agree with. But there is just as much content for which I feel I have somehow missed a month's worth of lectures.

I apologize in advance for playing the pesky thorn in your side, but if I may point out a few items:

- There appear to be a few prominent obstacles when one attempts to understand/decipher your messages.

1. Your manner of speech is often highly technical. Perhaps because it involves concepts of an esoteric nature. It just seems that there are a number of prerequisite concepts that need to be understood before one can go about fully processing your messages. If so, where can one gain true foundation of knowledge without the typical disinformation that litters the path when dealing with these types of subjects?

2. Your manner of speech is often highly eloquent. I wonder if this can serve as a hindrance for those that are not as well-read, nor are as adept at reading comprehension perhaps? (myself included)

3. Your message is only in English, as far as I am aware. Yet it's clear that your intent is global in scope. This is not a complaint, but more of an observation that once again, the complexity of your prose might cause it to lose some of its meaning during mental translation for non English speakers.

Again, I apologize for my lack of sophistication or aptitude on the subject matter. But if I am to try and read between the lines, as someone else suggested might be the case, it seems that some of these 'filters' are intentional. Am I correct?

Last point. Most of us here have an inkling (to highly varying degrees) that a great many things in life are not what they appear. In order to arrive at this opinion, many of us have have simply employed logic while observing a number of details, inconsistencies, patterns etc. At the very least, most of us can unequivocally state that "something fishy is going on" with this merry-go-round which we call life. It seems the next leap of faith that some would have us make is to embrace this idea that the 'reality' that we all experience is possibly some form of simulation. Additionally, terms like 'densities', 'dimensions', and vibrations (3D, 5D etc) seem to get tossed around as if they were almost remedial, foregone conclusions. Unfortunately for myself, these concepts are still quite unclear for me, and I have seen scant evidence that constitutes a slam dunk for anything. Yes, I have read a little bit of the Ra Material a while back, but came away even more confused. So I guess my complaint is more about the entire arena of esoterica - i.e. why does everything have to be so darn cryptic? Shouldn't the truth ring clearly for all 'demographics', so to speak? Or perhaps I am just not ready yet, nor meant to hear the message, which I'm certainly willing to concede if that is the case.

Cheers and thank you for your efforts,

TFS

[Scottoz]

Hi Tinfoil

There is a fair bit of background material in Triquetra's posts going back over almost 2 years now on this thread and others. Some of the more recent discussions build on this.

Some of the material and concepts in the posts do take a while to get your head around, so don't feel bad or strange about it. Take your time and keep coming back over the material and you will start to get it.

After a while you will find yourself thinking differently and viewing reality a little differently too. You may even start to dream about some of the concepts discussed here as your mind attempts to make sense of some of it. There is so much more to reality than most of us know and are aware of.

Sometimes some of Triquetra's concepts are difficult to convey easily with words, but by talking things through on these threads I think we are gaining new perspectives, questions and answers to build this new body of material which will help a lot of people.

Cheers

Scott

[Flash]

Any esoteric teaching is difficult to grasp at first. I remember having problems to grasp how charkas work (not even sure I have grasped it yet) and now it is much easier. Same for all the esoteric fields, because those are ways of thinking and ways of being we are not used to. We have been pushed away from it for some, or we did not have the abilities developed enough to carry on with these ways of being yet.

However, you Tinfoilsuit, as well as most here on the forum, have developed enough abilities to be here and follow up most of the time. So most of us are ready for the next step.

If I may suggest, leave your analytical mind aside for a while (In the West, this mind is much too trained with false paradigms) and use your creative one, it will make it much easier. Also, think in terms of being, not in terms of thinking (i know this looks like a paradox, but it ain't).

Finally, process it all through the heart, this will tell you what is right and what is not in the truth of things.

And.... believe that telepathy exist, that Remote viewing exist, that chakras exist, that all in this universe is energies (vibrating, in different levels which can be named dimensions or densities) and you may start experiencing it, therefore seeing the truth in it.

Life is truly a wonderful surprising adventure, simulation or not.

As for the English used by Triquetra, I am French speaking and I do not have too much problems with it. Those are complex concepts to translate into human language without the use of non verbal cues, or of telepathy, and a more elaborate language may be necessary to address the essential nuances these other realities and ways of being carry.

The difference between dark magic and dark esoterism and light and love esotericism is usually in the nuances at first - then, when understood and lived, it becomes clear as day.

those are my opinions of course, Triquetra or others are welcome to add or challenge them if they deem it necessary for our common understanding.



In being honest, I have to admit that DNA's frustration isn't so far off from what I was thinking as well. Because I try to give everything a chance, there is definitely something about your words that has raised my antennae. And certainly there is much material that I can comprehend and agree with. But there is just as much content for which I feel I have somehow missed a month's worth of lectures.

I apologize in advance for playing the pesky thorn in your side, but if I may point out a few items:

- There appear to be a few prominent obstacles when one attempts to understand/decipher your messages.

1. Your manner of speech is often highly technical. Perhaps because it involves concepts of an esoteric nature. It just seems that there are a number of prerequisite concepts that need to be understood before one can go about fully processing your messages. If so, where can one gain true foundation of knowledge without the typical disinformation that litters the path when dealing with these types of subjects?

2. Your manner of speech is often highly eloquent. I wonder if this can serve as a hindrance for those that are not as well-read, nor are as adept at reading comprehension perhaps? (myself included)

3. Your message is only in English, as far as I am aware. Yet it's clear that your intent is global in scope. This is not a complaint, but more of an observation that once again, the complexity of your prose might cause it to lose some of its meaning during mental translation for non English speakers.

Again, I apologize for my lack of sophistication or aptitude on the subject matter. But if I am to try and read between the lines, as someone else suggested might be the case, it seems that some of these 'filters' are intentional. Am I correct?

Last point. Most of us here have an inkling (to highly varying degrees) that a great many things in life are not what they appear. In order to arrive at this opinion, many of us have have simply employed logic while observing a number of details, inconsistencies, patterns etc. At the very least, most of us can unequivocally state that "something fishy is going on" with this merry-go-round which we call life. It seems the next leap of faith that some would have us make is to embrace this idea that the 'reality' that we all experience is possibly some form of simulation. Additionally, terms like 'densities', 'dimensions', and vibrations (3D, 5D etc) seem to get tossed around as if they were almost remedial, foregone conclusions. Unfortunately for myself, these concepts are still quite unclear for me, and I have seen scant evidence that constitutes a slam dunk for anything. Yes, I have read a little bit of the Ra Material a while back, but came away even more confused. So I guess my complaint is more about the entire arena of esoterica - i.e. why does everything have to be so darn cryptic? Shouldn't the truth ring clearly for all 'demographics', so to speak? Or perhaps I am just not ready yet, nor meant to hear the message, which I'm certainly willing to concede if that is the case.

Cheers and thank you for your efforts,

TFS

[triquetra]

TFS, yourself and DNA are playing perhaps the most important role of pointing out the elephant in the room. This is the only way to span the gap between initial efforts, which are generally a result of spilling words onto a screen without much of a concern for anything other than to get the information down in one form or another, and refined efforts which require reflecting on what is committed to the thread already, what is most important from this body of information, what can be expressed more clearly, and so on.

That process, it seems, was supposed to go hand in hand with beginning of a steady supply of companion media, files to listen to and watch that would be accompanied by some explanatory information that is of the quality that you seek. The media and the information are not meant to be simultaneous - the media will be like a kind of mediation file of some form or another (audio only, or audio and light patterns meant to be "seen" through closed eyelids). The information could be read in any a amount before or after, could be read in its entirety before trying any media files, or after trying all of them. It shouldn't really matter.

The only way to synchronize those things was to have a kind of preparatory phase which has been the product of the past two years or so. To establish some kind of starting point that has a tangibility that is more real than the pages of notes of RV and RI session work, both real in another forum and mental.

What you're pointing out is exactly the struggle - the need to take the notions and keep tumbling them around, finding better and simpler ways of describing the same things, transferring intention from just getting information to the page by any means necessary, over to packaging information in a way that makes it more easily digestible for others.

One other prerequisite for that besides the media files is some sort of elementary level of trust - does the individual seem to have good intentions in what they are trying to achieve, even if they aren't succeeding? Sometimes it's important to show one's own struggle openly, to show that they are not doing it for the reasons many in the broader community seem to - to assert their stances as "the" authority. Instead the struggle is as real as anyone else's - to strive to find the truth and then to share it as best as possible.

Therefore, the intention is to build all of this up from first principles, in this second phase. So there is no need to necessarily go elsewhere for gathering prerequisite information - unless you choose to. It could be useful for comparison or contrast, but what we are really trying to tap into here is a kind of ancient knowing or gnosis that is continuously remembered and forgotten in cycles. To remember it in a way where we can this time use it as it was intended to be used, the reason we have access to this information in the first place.

For what it's worth, symbolically, all of this is contained in the avatar. Avalon is the innermost circle and the triquetra is the pattern around it.

[triquetra]

In two years time, referring over to the Avalon thread, the big difference was probably going from
- Seeing the ghost for the first time
to
- Following it

I don't think anyone seeing it for the first time is in a great state to communicate what is going through their minds in a way that is easily understandable.
There are sayings that this is often synchronized to "The Dark Night" in the process, and there can be several of these.

The word patterns will feel different after someone has gotten through the night.

People in that phase will also not be very good at self analysis, they are often a bit bewildered and trying to get their thoughts out in any way they can (I am speaking about myself and the state I was in 2 years ago).

Triquetra is defined simply enough as the process for returning to Avalon.

It is best understood as an evolution of feeling, although considerable thought pattern adjustments coincide.

The best thing to do to start is try and provide some context to avoid the gaps that come with just dumping text onto the page.
That will start in the next while.

If there was one thought/feeling-form to start with, it's the sense that we are caught up in something a lot bigger in scope than the recorded human civilization. But we have a surprising role to play. That will become obvious in the coming years.

[Flash]

The best thing to do to start is try and provide some context to avoid the gaps that come with just dumping text onto the page.
That will start in the next while.

If there was one thought/feeling-form to start with, it's the sense that we are caught up in something a lot bigger in scope than the recorded human civilization. But we have a surprising role to play. That will become obvious in the coming years.

I would be very interested to know, if you don't mind, what you precisely went through in those 2 years - from seeing the ghost, to now, or even from before the ghost. Not only the mental search for right words and for understanding, but the emotional path that most probably went with it. On a more personal level.

Clearly I am not sure why I am asking this, but it seems appropriate at this time. As if it would clear the way.

(I was here two years ago mentioning to you to go around threads here and wait, to understand how to manage helpful and skillful writing in this forum, this you did quite successfully - now where are you at?).

Yes, we are caught in something a lot bigger in scope than the human civilization and we have a surprising role to play, I am pretty sure, but which I cannot really pinpoint yet. I would very much like you to share your feelings-sights about this.

[Delight]

Finally, process it all through the heart, this will tell you what is right and what is not in the truth of things.

And.... believe that telepathy exist, that Remote viewing exist, that chakras exist, that all in this universe is energies (vibrating, in different levels which can be named dimensions or densities) and you may start experiencing it, therefore seeing the truth in it.

Life is truly a wonderful surprising adventure, simulation or not.

I think you said the truth here!

It is absolutely mandatory to have acceptance that something exists before one can become aware of it in 3D. What you mentioned as some possibilities are all words/concepts/thought forms which shape the experiences also. The very tricky tricky way that we get what we believe is possible has so many layers. If one gets locked into any structure, it gets more solid until it seems like stone. IMO.

[triquetra]

I would be very interested to know, if you don't mind, what you precisely went through in those 2 years - from seeing the ghost, to now, or even from before the ghost. Not only the mental search for right words and for understanding, but the emotional path that most probably went with it. On a more personal level.


The 2 years can be summarized in context of the Epsilon protocol that was set up for first 1/2 year and then ran for next 1 year, and finally 1/2 year of data analysis - targeting extended low brainwaves during sleep and returning with information to be added to the data every night with almost no exception.

This all in an effort to understand, among other things, why increasingly poignant fear tactics were being used against me, to understand the beings that were behind the tactics and what they had gone through, their history, how they could be reasoned with (if at all), and if they were aware of the increasingly anomalous nature of our simulation, and the implications of that (this last bit was only added in about mid-way through the protocol). As it turned out, seeing the layer beyond that of the anti-civilization, the "demiurges", made everything as clear as it needed to be. That they thought they were exercising free will in going against the natural order of the universe, but in reality were just playing out the roles programmed for them all along. If they wanted to truly go against the order of the universe, then they had best align their tumbler to help fit the key into the lock. There is no way to engage (or disengage) within this universe without falling into one programming pattern or another. Everything possible within the dimensional octave has been considered (by our own higher selves, our counterparts "asleep" outside of the simulation(s).

The *only* exception is to split the octave (square root of 2)

I don't want to type posts that are apparently too long so the information will come in fragments. I'm going to try to always get to the point quickly and then provide additional context only as needed.



Clearly I am not sure why I am asking this, but it seems appropriate at this time. As if it would clear the way.


It seems appropriate. There was an intermission and now it's over. The reasons for it were several but as you can see, mainly about gathering the additional needed information to explain the triquetra formation and why it leads out of this simulation to Avalon (we can call it whatever we like but this name is the best I could imagine using, for its symbolic value). It is the kind of story that needs more evidence to back it up than pretty much any story you can imagine.

This is because it predicts an incredibly improbable future becoming probable, or in other words, the channeling of an unprecedented amount of Remote Influencing energy.

Seeing the ghost is alike touching on this topic for the first time directly, being able to speak of it from a first person account of coming into contact with energy-information at that "frequency". Following the ghost can only happen after actualizing on one's own contribution to getting out.



(I was here two years ago mentioning to you to go around threads here and wait, to understand how to manage helpful and skillful writing in this forum, this you did quite successfully - now where are you at?).


I am re-reading the old posts I made and noticing the different energy encoded in their vibratory patterns, and confirming the difference of being in one place mentally vs another. The Dark Night and the New Dawning. Self-forgiveness for being in a difficult place. Now ready to help do what I could not possibly have helped do then.



Yes, we are caught in something a lot bigger in scope than the human civilization and we have a surprising role to play, I am pretty sure, but which I cannot really pinpoint yet. I would very much like you to share your feelings-sights about this.

I think one good analogy might be this. A keyhole is not just a series of tumblers that must be aligned. There is also the matter of the entry point of the keyhole, this entry point seems to be right here, either literally Earth, or also any planets like ours that are in the midst/end of an artificial civilizational cycle engineered by an anti-civilization. We have the opportunity to see beyond the anti-civilization(s), all the way out to outside this simulation, understand why it was designed, and how it all fits together, and why. With this information in hand, we can fit the key into the lock, and, if we do well enough to align the tumblers, turn the key and open the door back to where {we->they} are waiting for ourselves to wake up (and {they->we} are waiting for themselves to wake up as well).

Sounds ridiculous, it should. But I encourage anyone to go looking for the same answers themselves. If this universe is a simulation, why was it designed to be this way? You'll know you've found the answer when you see how the patterns which might point to the answer align perfectly with the mathematics and physics of the universe itself.

[triquetra]

I am re-reading the old posts I made and noticing the different energy encoded in their vibratory patterns, and confirming the difference of being in one place mentally vs another. The Dark Night and the New Dawning. Self-forgiveness for being in a difficult place. Now ready to help do what I could not possibly have helped do then.


Same thing again. Energy is encoded in the veil behind word patterns, and something Michael Tsarion said over and over again always stuck with me - don't try and help others unless you've worked on yourself sufficiently. It's been a long, long road, but self-forgiveness becomes easier when you accept just how much of a disadvantage you start off with.

Our entire civilization can be described as a kind of war behind the veil for souls.

The only kind of empowerment many of us feel we can even muster is finding a way to fight for our own soul.

On page 266 of The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life (Volume 2), Drunvalo Melchizedek describes an initiation rite in an Egyptian mystery school where initiates are made to swim underneath a pool of crocodiles. It won't be possible to describe this better than Drunvalo does in the book itself, so I'll reshare the text and images here in full:



At each of the temples in Egypt, they would create situations to force you to
have experiences you would not normally bring on yourself so that when you
had similar experiences, you would become stronger and less fearful. You
would be put in extremely fearful situations to overcome your fears. That’s
what this secret hollow space was all about—an exercise to overcome fear, a
specific kind of fear.

That was more or less the function of the complex as Thoth explained it to
me. Figure 10-14a is a section, viewed from the side, of the hollow place
between the walls. The walls at A and B spanned the short distance to walls
C and D, and this formed a sort of maze-like channel going from one visible
opening to the other. Inside this channel was water—and crocodiles—maybe
one lying on the ledge in the center, having a good old time waiting for some
human to enter the water. Light came in through the opening at E.

https://i.imgur.com/JTevMr0.png

Imagine yourself as a neophyte about to undertake this test. After much
preparation and meditation, you would stand on the steps at F, look down and
see a little square of water at your feet no bigger than about one square yard.
You would not have any idea what was in the water or where it led to. Then
you were told to go into the water and not come out the way you went in.
You, the neophyte, had only one breath—and you had to be careful, because
if you hurried to jump in without caution, you would hit the granite slab at
point G. But your training would have taught you to be careful in all
unknown situations. So at first you had to move around this granite slab.
When you got to the bottom, which is about 20 feet deep and under wall A,
you would emerge out of the darkness of the channel and look up toward the
light. Then you would see the crocodiles. You can imagine the fear that
would come up in such a situation. There was not much the initiate could do
at this point except swim upward, squeeze by these fearful life forms and get
out. That’s what happened with almost everyone the first time around,
according to Thoth.

What you didn’t know was that these crocodiles were fully fed so they would
not hurt you. But that hardly makes a difference to initiates down in that
channel holding their breath and looking up at them. They didn’t lose
anybody to the crocs, but nevertheless ...

When you, the initiate, stepped out of the water at E (see top view, fig. 10-
14b), you were told that you had just failed. Then you would have to go
through more and more and more training. When your teachers thought you
were ready, they would put you through this ceremony a second time. This
time you knew about the crocodiles, that you had only one breath, and that
the way out was not past the crocs toward the light. So you would go down to
the bottom again, and at the moment of your greatest fear, when you could
actually see the crocodiles, you had to search for another way out. The
opening at H is where we went down and came up for my friend’s ceremony.
So if you found the opening at H, you had to go farther down and under wall
B before you could swim up and out another pitch-black channel, not
knowing for sure that it was even the way out.

https://i.imgur.com/4DUN13g.png

The specific meaning of this initiation rite is not explained in the book, however I will state it very clearly here - the rite is designed so that initiates will know exactly what to do when they permanently depart from their physical body (either through death or ascension) so that they will not be fooled into going into the lower astral realm that separates our 3D plane from the realms above the lower astral.

It's not too hard to determine from the design of this initiation rite what's waiting for you if you make the mistake they're trying to teach you not to make, and it is as relevant today as it was then.

Anyhow, looking back I can ascribe the patterns between my own words as representing that I had done insufficient work on myself to yet do here what I wanted to be able to do. We are in a trap where it takes tremendous amounts of work on oneself because every time we try to develop a culture that allows people to help others to do it, it gets beaten down.

As boiling frogs we never are able to collectively work together to stop this from happening, as we have an extreme disadvantage of short lives in linear time and we do not organize particularly effectively across lifetimes, since our memories are (for the most part) wiped before we return again.

What's taken so long, then, is not just the work on the self but also the development of a strategy to deal with the extreme disadvantage the real humans face (those who have not thrown away their soul).

All said, here we are now passing through the third gate (I observed 1999, 2012, and 2025 as gates in a spiral leading out of linear time), and the third gate is signalling that it's time to offer any strategy that can give all souls a chance to permanently separate themselves from those who have thrown their soul away and have no intent on reconnecting with it.

Maybe they will change their minds when they see what will begin to happen, but they are beyond help.. it is between their long lost soul and them alone.