Are You Offended? (Video)

[Mu2143]

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[Akasha]

Mu. Why do you post this pentecostal material on Avalon? Are you attempting to proselytise because I suspect you're at the wrong party if you are. This woman from this video and the "evil spirit of homosexuality" video is clearly "gone bye bye". Can't we up the bar or just refrain from posting such low freq' matter?

Of course if you uploaded it to highlight how lost such folk are, then fair enough. People need to be aware of the fuzzy logic and frankly, mental illness rampant within evangelicanity.

[Bill Ryan]

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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.

In some ways, of course that is true. If we were all in a high state of spiritual development, whatever one's religion or beliefs, then we would all be living in a state of benign equanimity, and not get triggered or upset by anything at all.

Whether this is realistic is another question: we're talking about the human condition, whatever factors contribute to that. I'd agree, of course, that we do all need to work towards that state where we can allow, grant beingness, forgive, turn the other cheek, and not be 'offended' by anything — while, at the same tine, working together to make the world a better place.

[Sunny-side-up]

If you take offence you are listening to your 'Ego'

If you never take offence by something/someone then you are very evolved, a 'Saint' and or it's equivalent!
and not taking offence to an 'Enlightened-soul' is not 'Turning-your-cheek' it is not letting 'Emotions' rule your consciousness, it is being above and outside of 'Ego'

[Akasha]

To be clear, I'm not offended by her. I understand that she is just doing the best she can with the level of consciousness available to her at this moment in time, but........ her statement in the other video about the spirit of homosexuality is certainly a telling indicator of where she is at on her path and which direction that path is going in. The irony is that these types take pride in their "insight" assuming that they are receiving such data from the holy spirit when the opposite is more than likely the case.

I am probably being a bit rough on her though. Being brought up in a radically evangelical environment has made me acutely allergic to such religious perspectives.

We certainly do undermine our position when we take offence. It's just disappointing when folk only see such action as undermining their religion rather than undermining themselves.

[Mu2143]

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[Cristian]

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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.



To translate this even further ...some people reported the original post, that had a diffrent title, and Bill is trying to make peace. Bill posting in Mu's threads is somehow interesting.

I think Bill feels there is something true in what Mu is posting...even if he might not like the way its being delivered.
So while Mu's style and beliefs are not exactly what Bill and other mods believe in ...there is something in his posts that they find valuable.

And it just may be ...but why all this playing around?

[Mu2143]

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[Akasha]

Growing up with similar people to the woman in the video allows me to recognise like-minded spiel when I hear it and whilst she may not be affiliated with one particular church, from her jargon it's clear she is of that ilk.

Glad to have broadened your vocabulary btw :)

[Earthlink]

Offense in religion. That's it's own subject right there. Why do any religious people feel the need to go out and persecute others around them? Does it actually say anything like that in religious books, or have they taken it upon themselves to do so?

Anyway, fear no art and you fear no reflection, I always say.

[Bill Ryan]

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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.



To translate this even further ...some people reported the original post, that had a diffrent title, and Bill is trying to make peace. Bill posting in Mu's threads is somehow interesting.

I think Bill feels there is something true in what Mu is posting...even if he might not like the way its being delivered.
So while Mu's style and beliefs are not exactly what Bill and other mods believe in ...there is something in his posts that they find valuable.

And it just may be ...but why all this playing around?


You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

[Guish]

One wise zen monk said: act and do not react. Bill described this in a good way in his earlier post. I've noticed that the deeper I go in the spiritual journey, the more quiet and detached I find myself. In bliss, one is not concerned about arguments and fights which only give importance to the ego. Deep thinking comes on its own.

[Cristian]

You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

Well..yes.

But you do agree that homosexuality can be triggered by external influences ...and it may very well be a natural expression of the soul.

You do agree that having a being attached to you can get you closer to being a homosexual. or being a sex addict . Or an alcoholic.

So my point was...you used your opinions and experience to let a thread flow; a thread that some may have thought has no use...

[Selkie]

One wise zen monk said: act and do not react. Bill described this in a good way in his earlier post. I've noticed that the deeper I go in the spiritual journey, the more quiet and detached I find myself. In bliss, one is not concerned about arguments and fights which only give importance to the ego. Deep thinking comes on its own.

Lapis Lazuli

By William Butler Yeats


(for Harry Clifton)

I have heard that hysterical women say

They are sick of the palette and fiddle-bow,

Of poets that are always gay,

For everybody knows or else should know

That if nothing drastic is done

Aeroplane and Zeppelin will come out,

Pitch like King Billy bomb-balls in

Until the town lie beaten flat.


All perform their tragic play,

There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,

That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;

Yet they, should the last scene be there,

The great stage curtain about to drop,

If worthy their prominent part in the play,

Do not break up their lines to weep.

They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;

Gaiety transfiguring all that dread.

All men have aimed at, found and lost;

Black out; Heaven blazing into the head:

Tragedy wrought to its uttermost.

Though Hamlet rambles and Lear rages,

And all the drop scenes drop at once

Upon a hundred thousand stages,

It cannot grow by an inch or an ounce.


On their own feet they came, or on shipboard,

Camel-back, horse-back, ass-back, mule-back,

Old civilisations put to the sword.

Then they and their wisdom went to rack:

No handiwork of Callimachus

Who handled marble as if it were bronze,

Made draperies that seemed to rise

When sea-wind swept the corner, stands;

His long lamp chimney shaped like the stem

Of a slender palm, stood but a day;

All things fall and are built again

And those that build them again are gay.


Two Chinamen, behind them a third,

Are carved in Lapis Lazuli,

Over them flies a long-legged bird

A symbol of longevity;

The third, doubtless a serving-man,

Carries a musical instrument.


Every discolouration of the stone,

Every accidental crack or dent

Seems a water-course or an avalanche,

Or lofty slope where it still snows

Though doubtless plum or cherry-branch

Sweetens the little half-way house

Those Chinamen climb towards, and I

Delight to imagine them seated there;

There, on the mountain and the sky,

On all the tragic scene they stare.

One asks for mournful melodies;

Accomplished fingers begin to play.

Their eyes mid many wrinkles, their eyes,

Their ancient, glittering eyes, are gay.


an addition: Just so no one misunderstands, I did not post this to be provocative. In this poem, by "gay", I take Yeats to mean "lighthearted" or "carefree". The poem makes no sense otherwise, at least not to me.

[Guish]

Very funny Silkie.

[Mu2143]

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[Selkie]

Very funny Silkie.

Just for clarity, Yeats was writing about WW1, back in that timeframe. Back then, to my knowledge, "gay" did not mean "homosexual". It meant "lighthearted" or "carefree".

ad addition: I didn't post the poem to be funny, though. I posted it to show that people of wisdom are detached.

[Guish]

Very funny Silkie.

Just for clarity, Yeats was writing about WW1, back in that timeframe. Back then, to my knowledge, "gay" did not mean "homosexual". It meant "lighthearted" or "carefree".

ad addition: I didn't post the poem to be funny, though. I posted it to show that people of wisdom are detached.

Well, people see reality under a lens created by a belief system. Once you get rid of that belief system and rely on the spirit/objective fact to understand it, the reality is different. I've grouped spirit and objective fact because Quantum Physics is conforming what the mystics knew a long time ago.

Cheers.

[greybeard]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

[ZooLife]

When anyone takes a position no matter the justification or reasoning, that immediately puts them in opposition (obviously).

This IS the human condition.

Taking the position of peace? How will you FIGHT for it? Passive/ active resistance?

War and Peace, a dichotomy that cannot be escaped in regards to the human condition.

Is one more justified then the other? That is a position for you to decide, the bait has been set out. The choice is yours.

Did I take a position in all this? You bet! I am experiencing this human condition right along with the rest of us. :)

http://www.funnylla.com/articles-images/167/gallery/_167_852437411.jpg

The more something appears different the more it appears the same.

[Guish]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I get what you say brother. However, once one goes beyond the mind and body, there's not even attraction or action caused by Gene or impulse. Everything ceases yet everything rises.

[Shezbeth]

On the subject of religious perception, and the importance of not being offended, I offer this (counter) point.

WARNING - LOTS OF PROFANITY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BajeBFEn5Q

P.S. The underlying point is that the individual described in the song has grown from the same 'tree' as the lady in the OP.

Just sayin'!

P.P.S. I changed the youtube link to the version that involves an orchestra,... everything is better with an orchestra,.... ^_~

[Tangri]

You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

Well..yes.

But you do agree that homosexuality can be triggered by external influences ...and it may very well be a natural expression of the soul.

You do agree that having a being attached to you can get you closer to being a homosexual. or being a sex addict . Or an alcoholic.

So my point was...you used your opinions and experience to let a thread flow; a thread that some may have thought has no use...


One of former Avalon forum member Created a post talking about a lie. But when he used a complete lie in his statement, I was offended.
I criticised the concept of his sentence, as it was a lie, he got offended and gone mad. But he never allow himself to understand that, lying on the discussion of a lie is a bias.

This video has same value on archons's approach. She did a good catch but her exampling was same weight bad. The Context is diluted by wrong wordings.

People insist on interpreting things as they please.

Straight males get offended by touched of a male homosexual but straight females do not show same reflex with female homosexuals.

I was not offended by having a homosexual Premier(American major)in Ontario, But when she proposed sex education on grade 2 children, I am offended.
It did not came by archons, it was my parental instinct. I thought if she had natural maternity in her life, she would not proposed such law.

Now the $2 million question
Is it wrong that, being offended on abusing Politics, shaped out with a different sexual choice. Should I accept and keep silence on it?

I believe offence is acceptable in certain level and if it not goes to bullying, it effects as a deterrence for other's next attempt.

[3(C)+me]

I have this hunch that MU2143 posted this with some underlying reason, some unsaid belief she carries but will not come out and say it so she uses this video to get a message across that is unsaid, but suggested. It has to do with her beliefs about homosexuality. I am still human and I still get triggered as far as I can see I will stop being triggered when I am dead. I don't watch CNN or Fox news for the same reason I will not watch this video because I know the agenda is to create division and polarize, fear is not far behind. To see some person stating judgments that I find narrow-minded and is a waste of my time.

[Tangri]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.
(even though those boys become a straight in their later life, despite early homosexual experiences)
Maybe god created living beings but let them chose to joy, suffering, experiencing(extreme to moderate).

[ZooLife]

You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

Well..yes.

But you do agree that homosexuality can be triggered by external influences ...and it may very well be a natural expression of the soul.

You do agree that having a being attached to you can get you closer to being a homosexual. or being a sex addict . Or an alcoholic.

So my point was...you used your opinions and experience to let a thread flow; a thread that some may have thought has no use...


The 'being' you mentioned is closer to you then you might imagine and it is no better nor worse then the 'being' you see in others.

The game of opposition is one we all play. It's like a movie where ONE actor/ actress play all the roles in the movie and thus that actor/ actress is doing everything unto themselves.

http://lowres.jantoo.com/miscellaneous-unusual_sight-reflection-reflected-shadow_boxing-shadows-11833141_low.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d0vtFja9GE

[DeDukshyn]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.


That's an "apples" vs "four" comparison -- not really the same thing ;) Homosexuality is about love. Unless you can say that priests abusing children is a form of love, these topics should not be spoken of within the same context at all.

[Roseheart]

Shezbeth thanks for the Tim Minchin song. Absolutely 1st class integral spirit shining through there. If more people creatively took offense the way Tim does what joy and healing would be the result. In love and truth. Roseheart. X

[Muzz]

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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.



To translate this even further ...some people reported the original post, that had a diffrent title, and Bill is trying to make peace. Bill posting in Mu's threads is somehow interesting.

I think Bill feels there is something true in what Mu is posting...even if he might not like the way its being delivered.
So while Mu's style and beliefs are not exactly what Bill and other mods believe in ...there is something in his posts that they find valuable.

And it just may be ...but why all this playing around?


You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

Hi Bill ,
I am not offended , I don't know if you ever listen to the video I posted ?"Understanding homosexuality" and understand what she is talked about , But I do.
Its about spiritual warfare which it always is.

I posted this post because my post about "Understanding homosexuality" was removed

Mu2143

No one on this forum mentioned anything about being offended until you did.

You chose not to reply to my PM politely explaining what action was taken and why, when your previous thread was closed.

You chose to react by creating this new thread, taking little heed of the advice that was offered and not engaging with the moderation team, who, on further discussion are always happy to reverse decisions when convinced otherwise and offer apologies. Our intention is always the well being of the forum.

In attempting to make us all "understand homosexuality" you chose to post one short video from a christian who thinks they are all possessed. I wouldn't call that understanding.

If you choose to judge other peoples worthiness as a human being, there is a large list of things you could choose from. I would humbly suggest that there are more important criteria than peoples sexual orientation. Creativity, courage, humour, intelligence, compassion to name but a few. You chose to ignore those.

I just find it hard to think that this man is possessed by a "giant spirit" released by the "enemy"

6L1xvdZMC10

[ZooLife]

On the subject of religious perception, and the importance of not being offended, I offer this (counter) point.

WARNING - LOTS OF PROFANITY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOosSfm720I

P.S. The underlying point is that the individual described in the song has grown from the same 'tree' as the lady in the OP.

Just sayin'!

In the spirit of the song.... F@%k you!

I am offended by the inoffensive. What is a matter with you! Don't you have any passion? ;)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b9/79/14/b9791454cad67e3ea317f07c02fcfbb5.jpg

[Guish]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.
(even though those boys become a straight in their later life, despite early homosexual experiences)
Maybe god created living beings but let them chose to joy, suffering, experiencing(extreme to moderate).

Hi Friend,

There's an explanation for this. Semen is actually used as a powerful ingredient to reach enlightenment. That's why an important Criterion was celibacy in ancient tradition. Not everyone can use sexual energy to reach enlightenment though. Since masturbation has been forbidden, priests who can't control this energy end up molesting the children. Certain spiritual masters recommend mild masturbation if sexual energy cannot be controlled.

[Shezbeth]

I've taken a backburner approach to the forum, but this thread/topic catches my interest. I'll try to keep it less than a book.

<ahem>

:loco:

Any time one presents/posits an idea that is - conclusively - subjective as being objective, they're in for a world of (technically) hurt,... and yet not so. The logical fallacies that surround the misinterpretation of subjectivity as being objectivity are rife, as are the web-based resources which will happily illustrate.

On the flip-side, the web is also rife with individuals, groups, organizations, bots, etc. who are willfully ignorant (read: choose to ignore empirical evidence to the contrary) of A. the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, B. the concept of a logical fallacy (let alone the itemized instances) and C. the desire to holistically approach anything resembling empirical, rational, comprehensive, cognizant comprehension.

Simply, while one who wishes to engage in (for simplicity's sake) foolishness is due to be treated as a fool, there are plenty of fools on the web and so one fool might find themselves in good company. To wit, fools may well be among the majority,... which would relegate the less-foolish into a position of 'minority' at best.

What does this mean? Why am I bothering to iterate?

Offense - as is illustrated by the OP (vid et al) - is the result of conviction, of predetermination, of existing appointment. Would any disagree that offense is a more energetic form of disappointment? Disappointment stems from pre-appointment to an idea or concept.

NOW! There are two types of appointment; that of objective and subjective. An objective pre-appointment is based on observable (and almost exclusively) recordable results; rarely are objective pre-appointments 'disappointed' simply because they tend to accomodate the given results of a situation. Subjective pre-appointment (read: biased and/or preferred interpretations/perceptions) readily experience disappointment, simply because they do not factor unbiased causality or preferrential result.

Now to bring this ALL back to the OP,....

The lady in the video is operating from a subjective interpretation (preferred perception) based on dogmatic programming (authoritarian, hierarchical dictate) that those who experience offense are falling victim to the 'bait of Satan'.

< sigh - gawd, I hope I don't have to pick this whole thing apart,... btw I DID watch the homosexuality video and am leaving out my scathing retorts there >

To an individual predisposed to interpret these ideas, constructs, images, and figures as appearing objective, I can understand the want of the vlogger to opine so (from a position of scholastic understanding); this does not make them objective however.

That the vlogger has followers and subscribers (refer to whole paragraph 2) who are want to agree is irrelevant (and laughable IMO). Is there the possibility that the experience of offense is derived from extra-dimensional (et al) activity? Absolutely (per my experience and comprehension)! This does not however allow one to blanket the idea of 'offense' with smears of 'the devil', 'Satan', etc.

This is largely why I posted the video earlier, because to many devout theists the video is offensive; yet, non-theists (and many theists) express the same offense at the concept of catholic priests buggering little boys (just as an example).

<aha moment music plays>

In a specific sense, it behooves individuals to recognize when they are operating from shaky ground. What I mean is to present the questionable findings of individuals/organizations as evidence when such individuals/organizations (or their route/source) can be found conclusively to be operating from fallacious positions.

Simply, leave the :bs: on the roadside, and if one doesn't know its :bs: it might be better to not wave it in others' faces.

In a general sense, it further behooves an individual, group, organization, or bot to critically analyze the motivations inherent in a particular position. I'll give an example.

Say one has two map makers. One map-maker is committed to accuracy while the other is committed to aesthetics; who does one trust to plot their course by?

Of course, this is just my opinion,....

P.S. I may have missed a few points,... hard to say as I'm a tad sauced ATM. No worries though, I'm probably among the minority anyway,.... ^_~


Semen is actually used as a powerful ingredient to reach enlightenment. That's why an important Criterion was celibacy in ancient tradition. Not everyone can use sexual energy to reach enlightenment though. Since masturbation has been forbidden, priests who can't control this energy end up molesting the children. Certain spiritual masters recommend mild masturbation if sexual energy cannot be controlled.

I do not contest your assertion regarding semen being a priori component in enlightenment, but allow me to suggest that the bum-hole application (toward children, adults can do what they choose) is at the very least dysfuctional.

P.P.S. No need to thank, I know my opinions are unpopular. ^_~

[ghostrider]

in Enoch's word's , each person must walk (learn) their own path , at their own pace , on their own terms , finding the truth about life through nature , and laws of Creation ...

[OBwan]

The first time I was invited to my in-law’s home for dinner I was on my best behavior. I sat at the table when everyone else sat. I placed the napkin on my lap as others did. I made a sincere attempt at maintaining rapport. Before the meal was even served, two of my brothers-in-law had a farting contest. I noticed that some others in the room were deleting this from their conscious minds. An accidental passing of gas at the table in my family’s home offended Mom and Dad.

Who Says ?

• Who says that socks should never be on the floor?
• Who says that toilet paper rolls should turn over as opposed to under?

Many things that people judge, I see as negative not bad. All judgments are bad. Is judging judgment as bad a judgment? I choose to live my life in as many non-judgmental moments that I can. In my life as I removed fear, the judgments were no longer in my life.

There are always at least three choices in any situation. In a divorce there is the Husband’s, Wife’s and the Judge’s perspective. Many times finding the third choice comes from a non-judgmental perspective. In other words, a non-fear perspective.

In my life I choose to replace the fear with love so that I can live my life in peace. Replacing the fear has been the biggest impact on my life. For me, I have found that when I remove/transmute the fear associated with a given topic, I am more of a resource to another.

[Tangri]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.


That's an "apples" vs "four" comparison -- not really the same thing ;) Homosexuality is about love. Unless you can say that priests abusing children is a form of love, these topics should not be spoken of within the same context at all.

It is a mine field talking on Homosexuality in these days, like anti smoking campaign.

But, if I do not tell my opinion, I would feel that (be called homophobic) a potential bullying silenced me.
No I am not going to allow you, calling me( or labelling me) homophobic.

You are cutting an apple in two pieces and declaring they are different fruits.

I am not talking about loving your pet or your relatives, these love are different than homosexual intimacy.

Separating love and sexual desire as a 2 different entities in homosexual relationship is a declaration which homosexual person loves another same gender with no sexual impulse. It is a bias, an alteration of truth. You are using word of Love, it is not good trick any more to create illusion.
Everybody would be agree that Love is a powerful word which even psychopaths ,/charlatans use it, for their acts. It was/is a tool, using Art or Love for bending truths.

The relationship is defined by acts and affects which determine the outcome.

[DeDukshyn]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.


That's an "apples" vs "four" comparison -- not really the same thing ;) Homosexuality is about love. Unless you can say that priests abusing children is a form of love, these topics should not be spoken of within the same context at all.

It is a mine field talking on Homosexuality in these days, like anti smoking campaign.

But, if I do not tell my opinion, I would feel that (be called homophobic) a potential bullying silenced me.
No I am not going to allow you, calling me( or labelling me) homophobic.

You are cutting an apple in two pieces and declaring they are different fruits.

I am not talking about loving your pet or your relatives, these love are different than homosexual intimacy.

Separating love and sexual desire as a 2 different entities in homosexual relationship is a declaration which homosexual person loves another same gender with no sexual impulse. It is a bias, an alteration of truth. You are using word of Love, it is not good trick any more to create illusion.
Everybody would be agree that Love is a powerful word which even psychopaths ,/charlatans use it, for their acts. It was/is a tool, using Art or Love for bending truths.

The relationship is defined by acts and affects which determine the outcome.

Whether or not two men (or women) in a loving relationship have sex or not does not determine whether they are homosexual or not - homosexuality is not defined by sexual acts; it is defined by preference for the other sex. Just like a heterosexual is defined by preference for the opposite sex; Heterosexual couples don't suddenly become homosexuals, when they get married and stop having sex - they are still heterosexuals - even back when they are virgins, just like homosexuals can be virgins.

BTW, since it is quite clear I didn't call you a homophobe in any post anywhere at all, nor indicated it or alluded to it ... maybe you have something to clear off your conscience?

[Tangri]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

I assume you are not accepting, Priests molest on alter boys as a homosexuality.


That's an "apples" vs "four" comparison -- not really the same thing ;) Homosexuality is about love. Unless you can say that priests abusing children is a form of love, these topics should not be spoken of within the same context at all.

It is a mine field talking on Homosexuality in these days, like anti smoking campaign.

But, if I do not tell my opinion, I would feel that (be called homophobic) a potential bullying silenced me.
No I am not going to allow you, calling me( or labelling me) homophobic.

You are cutting an apple in two pieces and declaring they are different fruits.

I am not talking about loving your pet or your relatives, these love are different than homosexual intimacy.

Separating love and sexual desire as a 2 different entities in homosexual relationship is a declaration which homosexual person loves another same gender with no sexual impulse. It is a bias, an alteration of truth. You are using word of Love, it is not good trick any more to create illusion.
Everybody would be agree that Love is a powerful word which even psychopaths ,/charlatans use it, for their acts. It was/is a tool, using Art or Love for bending truths.

The relationship is defined by acts and affects which determine the outcome.

Whether or not two men (or women) in a loving relationship have sex or not does not determine whether they are homosexual or not - homosexuality is not defined by sexual acts; it is defined by preference for the other sex. Just like a heterosexual is defined by preference for the opposite sex; Heterosexual couples don't suddenly become homosexuals, when they get married and stop having sex - they are still heterosexuals - even back when they are virgins, just like homosexuals can be virgins.

BTW, since it is quite clear I didn't call you a homophobe in any post anywhere at all, nor indicated it or alluded to it ... maybe you have something to clear off your conscience?

"BTW, since it is quite clear I didn't call you a homophobe in any post anywhere at all, nor indicated it or alluded to it ... maybe you have something to clear off your conscience?"

It was a preventive statement, you could come to conclusion in future stage.

homosexuality is not defined by sexual acts; it is defined by preference for the other sex.

This is a bias again.

Loving a pet, contributes a pet owner. If it is involved with sexual relation-ship, called zoophilia

Loving a relative, contributes a family. If it is involved with sexual relation-ship, called Incest

Loving a same sex person, contributes strong friendship. If it is involved with sexual relation ship, called homosexuality

Do not cut the apple again, in two pieces.

"Heterosexual couples don't suddenly become homosexuals,"

They don't, if they do, you can use word of "bisexual"

"even back when they are virgins, just like homosexuals can be virgins. "

I think you need to work hard to understand on virginity. It is not just a hymen membrane(boys can be a virgin too).:o
Until performing sex intimacy you can not call an individual as a homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual(maybe you can, in your reality, not mine)

[DeDukshyn]

... It was a preventive statement, ...

As a preventative statement you accuse me of calling you a homophobe? What's the logic in that? Where did you learn that strategy?





"Philia" -"denoting fondness, especially an abnormal love for a specified thing"-defintion

That hardly is equivalent to a Q"uality" as defined in the term for example "heterorsexuality" or "homosexuality" - which are qualities. Apples and numbers again.

Heterosexual means preference for opposite sex, homosexual means preference for same sex -- stop pretending this isn't true.


"I think you need to work hard to understand on virginity. It is not just a hymen membrane(boys can be a virgin too).
Until performing sex intimacy you can not call an individual as a homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual(maybe you can, in your reality, not mine) " -- and this view explains why you think a priest raping a boy turns the boy into a homosexual? Because under your definition I guess it does. I disagree wholeheartedly.

[Innocent Warrior]

I can't understand what people are talking about, on this forum, half the time lately. I wish people would just come out with it and say what they mean so we can move past this crap.

And I don't mean a sh!t fight, I mean respectfully and appropriately.

Update: I don't feel right about saying this now (and it's not half the time, that was a distortion from my emotion). It was out of love but not from my heart. I don't like to express negative emotion anymore and this was from frustration and disamay...sorry. I think you're all special.