Backlash Against Airport Body Scans!

[Chris411]

This is a subject that made headlines a while back in US and more recently in Europe but seems to be quietly going away. This is another thing imposed onto us and which will soon become part of our "normal" lives. It is no wonder when one reads below that almost all travelers are choosing to submit themselves to this new type of scanner and radiation.

Please share with us your experiences, views, any health implications you may have read about, the privacy issues associated with this scanner, etc.

I live in Europe and these scanners are slowling being introduced in our airports as well. I personally will try to fly as little as possible but unfortunately not all are free to make their own choices as flying may be part of their work assignments.

We may have the option to opt out of this scanning procedure for the moment but the time will come when everybody that wants to travel by air (will these scanners come into the train stations, ferry harbours, etc?) will have to submit him/herself to this humiliation in the name of safe flying.

Welcome on board!

http://www.naturalnews.com/030100_naked_body_scanners_airport.html

How to opt out of the TSA's naked body scanners at the airport
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Originally published October 19 2010

(NaturalNews) I encountered my first airport naked body scanner while flying out of California today, and of course I decided to "opt out" of the scan. You do this by telling the blue-shirted TSA agents that you simply wish to opt out of the body scanner. Here's what happened after that:

A TSA agent told me to step to the side and stay put. He then proceeded to shout out loudly enough for all the other travelers and TSA agents to hear, "OPT OUT! OPT OUT!" This is no doubt designed to attract attention (or perhaps humiliation) to those who choose to opt out of the naked body scanner. I saw no purpose for this verbal alert because the same TSA agent who was yelling this ultimately was the one who patted me down anyway.

For the pat down, first I was required to walk through the regular metal detector. From there, I was asked if I wanted to be patted down in a private room, or if I didn't mind just being patted down in full view of everyone else. Not being a shy person in the first place, I told the agent I didn't need a private room.

He then explained to me that he was going to pat down my entire body, including my crotch and my buttocks, but that he would use the back of his hands to pat down the crotch and buttocks areas. This is probably designed to make the pat-down seem less "personal" and more detached. That way, air passengers can't complain of being felt up by TSA agents who might get carried away with the pat-down procedure. He asked if it hurt for me to be touched anywhere, and I told him no, at which point he proceeded with the pat down.

It was a well-scripted pat-down, covering all the areas of my body, including a mild crotch sweep (it wasn't especially invasive or anything, as doctors will do far worse during a physical exam). He swept my arms, legs, hips, back of the neck, ankles and everywhere else. To the TSA's credit, this guy was fast, efficient and only used a light touch that was in no way disturbing. But it did take an extra five minutes or so compared to walking through the naked body scanner.

Speaking of the naked body scanners, as I was having my crotch swept by the back of the hand of this TSA agent, I was observing other air travelers subjecting themselves to the naked body scanners. They were told to walk into the body scanner staging area and then hold their arms in the air in a pose as if they were under arrest. They were told to freeze in this position for several seconds (perhaps 10 seconds) during which they were being blasted with ionizing radiation that we all know contributes to cancer.

The TSA, of course, will tell you that these machines can't possibly contribute to cancer. But they said the same thing about mammograms, and we now know that mammograms are so harmful to women's health that they actually harm ten women for everyone one woman they help (http://www.naturalnews.com/020829.html). So I'm not exactly taking the U.S. government at its word that naked body scanner radiation is "harmless."

As these air travelers were being scanned, their naked body images were appearing on a screen somewhere, of course. Some TSA agent was examining the naked body shape and contours of all these people, and even though we were told by the TSA that the image viewing machines cannot store images, we have since learned that the machines actually do have the capability to store those images (http://www.naturalnews.com/029378_f...). In addition, rogue TSA employees could simply use their cell phones to take snapshots of what they see on the screen. There are no doubt rules against such behavior, but it's bound to happen sooner or later.

Meanwhile, my own security screening was proceeding fully clothed. I don't want to broadcast my naked butt cheeks on the TSA's graphic monitors, thank you very much!

Very few people opt out of the naked body scanners
The most fascinating part about this entire process was not the verbal broadcast of my opt out status, nor having my crotch swept by the latex-covered back hand of some anonymous TSA agent, but rather the curious fact that I was the only one opting out. Although I must have watched at least a hundred people go through this particular security checkpoint, there wasn't a single other person who opted out of the naked body scan.

They all just lined up like cattle to have their bodies scanned with ionizing radiation.

To me, that's just fascinating. That when people are given a choice to opt out of being irradiated, they will choose to just go along with the naked body scan rather than risk standing out by requesting to opt out.

You see, I'm not convinced that the TSA's naked body scanners enhance air travel security at all. Previous security tests conducted by the FAA show quite clearly that the greatest threat to airplane safety isn't from the passengers but from ground crews, where bombs and other materials can be quite easily smuggled onto planes.

But even though naked body scanners may not enhance air travel security, they do accomplish something far more intriguing: The successful completion of an experiment in human behavior. If you were to pose the question "Will people line up like cattle to be electronically undressed in front of government security officers?" The answer is now unequivocally YES!

Most people, it turns out, will simply do whatever they're told by government authorities, even if it means giving up their privacy or their freedoms. Almost anything can be sold to the public under the guise of "fighting terrorism" these days, including subjecting your body to what is essentially a low-radiation CT scan at the airport!

I don't know about you, but I don't think I should be required to subject myself to ionizing radiation as a condition of air travel security. Of course, the more technically minded readers among you might counter by saying that high-altitude travel is, all by itself, an event that subjects you to low levels of ionizing radiation (which is true). But that's all the more reason to not add the body's radiation burden any more than necessary. Americans already get far too much radiation from CT scans and other medical imaging tests (not to mention mammograms). Do we really need to dose peoples' bodies with yet more radiation every time they board an airplane?

Trusted traveler program?
I don't know why the TSA never pursued its "trusted traveler" program. I actually suggested this years ago, and there was word that the TSA was working on something similar. The way it worked was very different from the current system. Under the current system, every person entering an airport security line is assumed to be a terrorist, and it is only through the various security screenings that you are eventually deemed to be innocent. This is a "guilty until proven innocent" approach to air security, and it's the system in place all across America (and around the world) today.

Under a trusted traveler program, people who pass rigorous background screening procedures, criminal history checks and other similar tests would be assumed innocent unless suspected of being guilty. They might carry "trusted traveler" cards linked to a federal database so that their status could be verified as they pass through a security checkpoint. They might even have their fingerprint scanned at that checkpoint in order to biometrically verify their identity.

For whatever reason, the TSA is no longer pursuing any such trusted traveler program (at least not to my knowledge). Perhaps the agency just figures it can trust no one. Hence the need to have everybody line up in front of the naked body scanner machines and raise their arms in a humiliating "I'm being arrested" pose.

It's actually just like the scene from the movie called The Fifth Element starring Bruce Willis. Remember the scene where the cops are searching the apartment block and they use an X-ray scanner to see through the walls? As they search the apartment building, they announce that all residents must face the wall and place their hands inside the yellow circles on the wall. This scene eerily resembles what the TSA makes U.S. travelers do right now.

And virtually no one protests. That's the really amazing part about this.

Seasonal flu shots offered at the airport, too
After completing my security pat-down, by the way, I entered the terminal where I walked by a kiosk offering a seasonal flu shot. There was a big sign claiming that the flu shot would prevent you from catching the flu, and a nurse of some sort stood right behind the kiosk, ready to inject you with a vaccine for just $35.

First the naked body scanners, and then the flu shot propaganda. It reminded me that the U.S. government really is trying to push people into self-destructive behaviors that will ultimately benefit the sick-care industry. After all, the more cancer and Alzheimer's disease people develop (from radiation and vaccines, of course), the more business gets generated for Big Pharma.

I know enough about health and freedom to avoid these little disease bombs, but most Americans don't know enough to resist the propaganda. They just allow themselves to be irradiated, injected and poisoned, and they think it's all okay because the government tells them it's good for them.

It's odd that people trust the government when the government doesn't trust them at all. If the government treats you like a criminal, a terrorist, a lab rat and a vaccine depository, doesn't that only prove they don't honor you as a sovereign individual?

And that sends a powerful message confirming that the U.S. government has forgotten it is supposed to serve the People, not rule over them.

Just wait and watch how this gets even worse. Today, you can opt out of the TSA's naked body scanners, but after a year or two -- once the sheeple get comfortable with giving up all their freedoms -- these scans will become mandatory. That's the day I give up air travel for good.

Gee, I sure will miss having my crotch swept by the latex-covered back hand of some anonymous TSA agent who's wasting taxpayer money by treating me like a terrorist.


Chris

P.S. To the administrators: Please feel free to relocate this thread if you feel necessary or if a similar thread has been already discussed on PA. Thanks.

[truthseekerdan]

What's going down there in the S.D. airport Fred? :confused:

In response to a video of a California man's dispute with airport security officials, the Transportation Security Administration said Monday it tries to be sensitive to individuals, but everyone getting on a flight must be screened.
The video, in which software engineer John Tyner refuses an X-ray scan at the San Diego, California, airport, has sparked a debate over screening procedures.

Tyner told CNN on Sunday that he was surprised to see so many people take an interest in his refusal and the dispute with airport screeners that followed it. But he said he hoped the video will focus attention on what he calls a government invasion of privacy.
"Obviously, everybody has their own perspective about their personal screening," TSA administrator John Pistole told CNN. "The question is, how do we best address those issues ... while providing the best possible security?"

Tyner, 31, said his hunting trip to South Dakota was cut short before it even started Saturday morning -- when TSA agents asked him to go through an X-ray machine.
Napolitano: We're just doing what's best TSA responds to body scan backlash

"I don't think that the government has any business seeing me naked as a condition of traveling about the country," Tyner said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NJ6qmQ0BZk

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/15/california.airport.security/index.html

[Swami]

A Full-Body Scan Shortens Life Span by 42 Minutes


The Food and Drug Administration has responded to concerns from medical researchers at the University of California, San Francisco by releasing a statement minimizing the dangers from full-body scanners. The devices are appearing in greater numbers at airports, courthouses and other locations. According to the FDA, you would only lose 42 minutes of life per scan if the scan resulted in the development of a fatal cancer, or about 3 days if you received 100 lifetime full-body scans. But the UC medical researchers point out that comparisons to radiation doses from airplane flights and chest X-rays are misleading, because the body scanners deposit their radiation in a more concentrated manner over a thin layer of skin. In addition, they express a particular concern about breast cancer risk.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217796-Propaganda-A-Full-Body-Scan-Shortens-Life-Span-by-42-Minutes

[Beth]

I was noticing this was getting quite a bit of attention today, glad to see it.

[loveandgratitude]

TSA Humiliation & Abuse of Airline Passengers Must End


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/kirwantsalunacy13nov10.shtml

[John Parslow]

Hello all

There is one rather drastic solution that springs to mind. Do not travel by plane, I have not done so for nearly ten years although do I realize that for business executives this is totally impractical. If more were to take road/rail or sea options then the house of cards may start to get a bit shakey … Alternatively more should stand-up and be counted and refuse to go along with this charade!

Best regards. JP

[bluestflame]

then they'd just find a reason to install the scanners at the bus depots and rail stations , they are targeting high volume people transport

[Ahkenaten]

OK, so when will people say "enough!" TSA subjecting toddlers and perhaps even infants to pat-downs and x-rays in the name of Freedom, Democracy and The American Way? What next - will some TSA worker taser a child for being uncooperative and unruly, i.e. suspicious behavior!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzEadUBYyLQ&feature=player_embedded

[kinsuemei2]

Mass sterilization......

[heyokah]

Here is the story about the young man who didn't want to go through a backscatter full body scan.


http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

[truthseekerdan]

Don't Touch My Junk Bro! - Interview With John Tyner


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYykxMupiT0

More detail reading here (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=33127)

[Kra]

One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans


At the heart of the controversy over "body scanners" is a promise: The images of our naked bodies will never be public. U.S. Marshals in a Florida Federal courthouse saved 35,000 images on their scanner. These are those images.

A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that U.S. Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly-perhaps illegally-saved images of the scans of public servants and private citizens.

We understand that it will be controversial to release these photographs. But identifying features have been eliminated. And fortunately for those who walked through the scanner in Florida last year, this mismanaged machine used the less embarrassing imaging technique.

link: http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

[NancyV]

I will most likely choose to not fly again until these TSA scanners are no longer used. Just the thought of it pisses me off! If I decide to fly to Hawaii or Europe instead of taking a ship, I will opt out of the scanners and be groped, which will also piss me off. If we weren't so afraid of profiling because it is deemed politically incorrect, perhaps TSA could concentrate on those who are likely suspects for terrorist acts by following the Israeli security model, but that would be too logical. I suspect terrorism is partially a convenient excuse to get people used to being scanned, checked and monitored.

I'm so glad I probably won't live (at least in this body) for much longer than 20 more years!! I will be flying where no planes are needed. I shudder to think what it will be like here even in another 10 years, that is if 2012 doesn't disrupt even the "best laid plans of mice and men".

Nancy :)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I think the full body scanners days are numbered. Humans are stupid but they will catch on eventually.

[Butangeld]

Thanks for starting this thread Chris411. Just one point about the radiation of these 'security' machines you say:

Of course, the more technically minded readers among you might counter by saying that high-altitude travel is, all by itself, an event that subjects you to low levels of ionizing radiation
True, but it's not just the frequency of these waves that is important but it is their non-linear form which is creating health problems:

nonlinear resonances (although much less likely to form than less-powerful common resonances) could allow terahertz waves to "unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles in the double strand that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/
I do not trust the opinion of any government employee or representative here in the UK, especially when it comes to health claims. The idea that airport security staff know what an x-ray is does not work at all. And the implication by way of trying to entice me to take a vaccine that my body's immune system will not be able to handle yet one more virus in a world where I am bombarded by an arsenal of other less well publicized ones is patently absurd.

[grannyfranny100]

It seems that folks are waking up. One site recommends that everyone flying before Thanksgiving opt out of the scanners. This will create long delays at the airports. Planes will be ready to leave but passengers will be stuck at security. Airlines won't be happy with the mess up. You may not be happy with the delays but at least you won't be frying your kids in the scanner.

People are now recording their pat down experiences on their cell phones and putting them on YouTube which is waking up more people.

Another site recommends writing to airlines and companies such as Disney to inform them that you intended to take the kids to Disney world/Land, etc. but because of security nonsense you have decided not to fly until the scanner and abusive searches end. Revenue losses by airlines and travel companies are already getting there attention and they have more leverage on the government that we do as individuals.

As for business travelers, I am sorry that you will be forced to endure this crap unless you can convince your CEO's that the pat down procedures now include going inside pants which increases risks of crabs and other diseases.

Granny Franny

[Ahkenaten]

I repeat as I joked years ago the only 'solution' to safe air travel is the requirement that we all fly naked! Imagine that.........................that requirement would surely cull out all those too bashful to be seen by others in their natural state as well as those too uncomfortable viewing others in their natural splendor. There would be no need to collect x-ray images of naked bodies ......... it all would be out in the open, so to speak. As for intrusive searches, they would be unnecessary. If added to the nakedness it were required that all baggage be checked that would resolve all security issues whatsoever! If the airline stewardesses and stewards and pilots were also to travel naked, all the better! After all - what is there to hide? The only remaining mystery I guess would be what could be hidden in body orifices.............and it would be obvious to all but the most dim-witted at that point how ridiculously paranoid and delusional this supposed quest for security is should body orifice checks be the next level of required security imposed on the naked - for their own good of course! P.S. I wonder if background checks are required for TSA workers? What assurances do we have that these humble servants of the New World Order are not convicted pedophiles or some other kind of perverts acting out their obsessions under the guise of National Security!!??

[Swami]

The REAL purpose behind airport scanners!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CxXGFyquA

[Swami]

Scan WOW


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NitKBc56hjE

[Ahkenaten]

A friend of mine in law enforcement told me today that he will not submit to the scanning/body searches. He thinks that a tipping point is being reached on this issue. He also mentioned how many people are now securing alternate passports, for example if a person is of Irish descent in the US, they may be eligible for an Irish Passport, as just one example. He also feels that the constant harangue about the violence in Mexico is a propaganda tactic used to discourage US emigration to Mexico. That is currently a HUGE trend and TPTB very well know it - the trend represents loss of capital and humans and is a threat that must be stopped.

[lisa]

Remember how the whole incident was staged?
Months prior to the incident, Underwear Bomber's dad reported his son to the US Embassy because of his "extreme religious views". They put him in the terrorism database, but let him keep his U.S. Visa, did not put him on the "no-fly" list and let him fly without luggages to the US! Immediately after the incident, they blasted the creepy body scanners all over the news and rolled them out in a couple weeks. What a ridiculous script! What do they think we are, idiots or zombies?

[Fredkc]

What a ridiculous script! What do they think we are, idiots or zombies?
Both.

CNN did a story on the Congressional hearings, and the "reported resentment" of the scanners and searches.
Then they produced a poll that said 80% of us "normal people" wanted everyone to be scanned!

What it proves the the adage about the fact that tyranny only works when the tyrants use issues over things people really want, anyway (to be "safe", for instance).

Since they are "staying within those bounds", meaning people still think someone else can provide safety for them, this will make the run in the "48 hr news cycle" and then people will probably just stand there and "think about baseball" while they're groped.
</rant ends>
Fred

[Fredkc]

Dan;
What's going down there in the S.D. airport Fred?

Basically the government does what it always does.
It begins with something patently illegal, unconstitutional.
Then it lies about what and how it does it.
Then it lies to it's victims.
Then it tells the man, if he leaves he will be prosecuted.
Then when they show him the door, they lie about doing it.
Then they want to prosecute the man for leaving, as he was told.
Then they lie to the press, about what happened.

See a pattern here? ;)

You can see a very good account of it all on a different forum here (http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=373354). The OP is a guy named Fred (not me) I am Fredkc over there, too. Post #1 and #8 pretty much tell it all.
Fred

[Ahkenaten]

OK, here is a cartoon clip from the orient
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBL3ux1o0tM&feature=player_embeddedon this subject that illustrates my suggestion that everyone eventually will be required to fly naked!

[ascendingstarseed]

Well here's some good news, maybe we reached the tipping point...New Jersey legislators from both sides of the isle are working together to fight this issue.
Leaders:

State Senator Michael Doherty (R)
State Senator James Beach (D)
State Senator Diane Allen (R)

Assembly members:

Erik Peterson (R)
Alison McHose (R)
John DiMaio (R)
Valerie Vanieri Huttle (D)

Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey

Check out the press conference...


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/981.html

[Ahkenaten]

Also we should require that the politicians and corporate bosses who fly first class, as a security measure, have bar codes affixed to their foreheads for positive identification purposes, for their own good of course!

[Fredkc]

My post at my favorite "Paranoid Prepper's Forum" (http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3903169&postcount=12), this morning:
My refusal to fly has cost me several good contract jobs.
Friends and even family beyond comfortable driving distance (~1000 mi.) now receive regular Christmas cards, instead of my charming presence.

What's gonna stop this UNConstitutional, illegal BS?
Probably about 2 weeks of absolutely no one getting on an airplane.

It simply comes down to this:
Would you rather live, x-ray'd, groped, and generally treated like a criminal instead of a customer in an unabashed police state?

Or would you prefer to live poor but free?

"What are you prepared to do?" - Sean Connery, Untouchables
Fred

[Carmody]

John Travolta in, 'The Thin Red Line', to Nick Nolte: "How Much do you want that Island?"

Nolte,"As Much as I have to, Sir".

[Fredkc]

November 17, 2010 Introducing the American Traveler Dignity Act (http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1007&Itemid=60)

Mr. Speaker, today I introduce legislation to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration employees conducting screenings at the nation’s airports. We have seen the videos of terrified children being grabbed and probed by airport screeners. We have read the stories of Americans being subjected to humiliating body imaging machines and/or forced to have the most intimate parts of their bodies poked and fondled. We do not know the potentially harmful effects of the radiation emitted by the new millimeter wave machines.

In one recent well-publicized case, a TSA official is recorded during an attempted body search saying, “By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.” I strongly disagree and am sure I am not alone in believing that we Americans should never give up our rights in order to travel. As our Declaration of Independence states, our rights are inalienable. This TSA version of our rights looks more like the “rights” granted in the old Soviet Constitutions, where freedoms were granted to Soviet citizens -- right up to the moment the state decided to remove those freedoms.

The incident of the so-called “underwear bomber” last Christmas is given as justification for the billions of dollars the federal government is spending on the new full-body imaging machines, but a Government Accountability Office study earlier this year concluded that had these scanners been in use they may not have detected the explosive material that was allegedly brought onto the airplane. Additionally, there have been recent press reports calling into question the accuracy and adequacy of these potentially dangerous machines.

My legislation is simple. It establishes that airport security screeners are not immune from any US law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person, or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person. It means they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us. Imagine if the political elites in our country were forced to endure the same conditions at the airport as business travelers, families, senior citizens, and the rest of us. Perhaps this problem could be quickly resolved if every cabinet secretary, every member of Congress, and every department head in the Obama administration were forced to submit to the same degrading screening process as the people who pay their salaries.

I warned at the time of the creation of the TSA that an unaccountable government entity in control of airport security would provide neither security nor defend our basic freedom to travel. Yet the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats then in Congress willingly voted to create another unaccountable, bullying agency-- in a simple-minded and unprincipled attempt to appease public passion in the wake of 9-11. Sadly, as we see with the steady TSA encroachment on our freedom and dignity, my fears in 2001 were justified.

The solution to the need for security at US airports is not a government bureaucracy. The solution is to allow the private sector, preferably the airlines themselves, to provide for the security of their property. As a recent article in Forbes magazine eloquently stated, “The airlines have enormous sums of money riding on passenger safety, and the notion that a government bureaucracy has better incentives to provide safe travels than airlines with billions of dollars worth of capital and goodwill on the line strains credibility.” In the meantime, I hope we can pass this legislation and protect Americans from harm and humiliation when they choose to travel.
_____________________________

For 30 years, this man has an unwavering track record of legislating, and voting with two things in mind, the Constitution, and the people's freedom.

That is ALL Congress was ever asked to do. It is so sad that he is the only Congressman left, who still thinks that is important.
Fred

[Bill Ryan]

---------------

Here's the solution:

Strip nearly naked, having painted your body with interesting remarks.

Enjoy this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jrgUhOrHFU

[Fredkc]

From MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40242420/ns/travel-news/):
“TSA is not going have the manpower to stick their hands in the pants of every man coming through there,” said James Babb, a 42-year-old advertising consultant from the Philadelphia area who co-founded WeWontFly.com.

According to e-mails Babb has received this week via his website — which he says gets 70,000 hits per day — some male flyers plan to arrive at nearby airports on Nov. 24 wearing kilts but no underwear. Others are vowing “nude protests” inside local terminals and some demonstrators say they will show up at security checkpoints with “lingerie models” in tow — perhaps creating an angry yet circus-like atmosphere among the milling crowds.

Babb’s motives are personal — he wants to spare his two young daughters, he said, from the unnecessary radiation of TSA scanning machines and from what he believes to be inappropriate touching by TSA workers. Many other travelers, meanwhile, argue that the new screening techniques are trampling their civil liberties. At OptOutDay.com, the site’s author calls Nov. 24 “the day ordinary citizens stand up for their rights ... and protest the federal government's desire to virtually strip us naked.”

http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Almost ready to say, "I'm proud to be a yank, again"
Fred

[Fredkc]

My fav in the video:
lass die hosen runter
(let your pants down)

Could be not so much what she said, but where.
Fred

[kinsuemei2]

Ok, again the reason why I say mass sterilization is the fact that if you have a very large person and you put them in this machine you can still see through then with the power of this X-Ray machine, now rule of thumb is you change the amount of radiation per amount of body fat right? well this machine seems to have a standard and this “Could” be a massive sterilization process to halt the ever expanding society, because I have never met a TSA worker that was also a radiologist.

Pregnant women, this is extremely harmful for, and I don’t recall them putting a lead coat over the family jewels in these machine's and that’s why I am figuring sterilization and I think this is a big topic and one that seriously needs addressing, because this is a stone’s throw away from naked walks to gas/shower houses in my honest opinion.

I for one don't operate my microwave oven with the door open, so why I would walk through one of these machines without leading up either. I know a quite a few radiologists that are asking a lot of real questions such as why is nobody worried that these machines are putting out background radiation of 16 mSv, in a one walk through, that’s actually a 5 year dose, and some of the Radiologists are very alarmed. For pregnant women that can still fly, background radiation, is a worry, whilst women are not in immediate danger of the natural amounts of radiation build up in the abdomen over time, these extra doses can causes issues to the development of the fetus a lot more earlier on than later.

[irishspirit]

Ron Paul did an excellent piece on this on the floor off congress.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N5adYM7Kw&feature=player_embedded

[Ahkenaten]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40242420/ns/travel-news/

[DawgBone]

There may be an upside to these scanners:

We'll all get in a lot better shape ...

:--)

[Ahkenaten]

ha ha you can bet that the truly overweight and less than attractive amongst us will pause before purchasing an airline ticket! That is why we should all be required to fly naked..................only the beautiful and young will fly! Only joking.

[conk]

Searching old ladies in wheel chairs. Groping children. Taking off my shoes and peering into my shampoo bottle. yeah, I feel safer.....................vomit.

[Zillah]

Ron Paul did an excellent piece on this on the floor off congress.



‎"They're treating us like cattle. Feed us, fatten us, and then eat us"

TSA = Total Sexual Assault !

[K626]

Only a matter of time before they are in the streets. Can you imagine?

[grannyfranny100]

Guess what, the county for the San Fran airport is sending police to oversee the security goons. The action was initiated by deputy attorney general who will be attorney general come January. Sorry I don't have names or exact titles but other airport jurisdictions are following this action. Hooray!!!

Granny Franny

[Ahkenaten]

Is that supposed to be comforting? Why not just sent BART police over. (sorry)

[Ahkenaten]

Speaking of old folks in wheel chairs last month I was at the dentist's and the receptionist on steroids informed a bewildered-looking old person in a wheel chair that they MUST submit to having their photograph taken and they MUST show positive ID based on California Law! She said that in the presence of the wrong person.....me. I said "Based on WHAT CA law? I don't think so. You have no right to be intimidating this client. Nor should they have to show ID - dental records are used to orensically identify bodies in cases where the identity of a body is unknown....therefor your office has MORE than enough personally-identifying information on hand on all your clients anyway." I went further and informed the woman that if she liked intimidating people she might consider applying for a job at the County Jail.

[Fredkc]

For about 15 years, I labored under the delusion that the answer societies ills lie in "proper government". I debated, and wrote quite a bit on it. Every once in a while people's prattling and foolishness backs up on me, and I am moved to do it "just this one very last time" (no fool like an ol'fool, eh?).

Well, I got suckered again. I still visit my old haunts, looking for tidbits and news. This time was the subject of TSA screening, and tyranny. Since I am low on posts for the day, here, I'm going to copy it here:


If, in the name protesting this budding police state and defending your rights and freedoms, you won't even put up with the "disruption" to your life that "not flying" in protest generates, do not try to convince me that you would fight to stop tyranny from taking over this nation. There was never any citizen "militia" that didn't cost it's members any "skin" in serving.

The plain fact is, there is no "tyrant" at work here. No tyrant can possibly do this. There aren't enough politicians, bureaucrats, soldiers, cops, and garbage men in the country to stop what the people insist take place. There is nothing you can threaten people with that will make them give up everything. This mass submission must be out of consent rather than simply out of fear.

In short, 'we the people' are willing to settle for this. Every single one of us who will settle for 10 pounds of crap, for every piece of candy, will have it gleefully delivered to our door.

A man named Étienne de La Boétie wrote about this back in 1530. Sound thinking knows no time. He tried to explain why people put up with this crap, when they know it's wrong.


La Boétie delves especially deeply into its nature, and into the nature of State rule itself. This fundamental insight was that every tyranny must necessarily be grounded upon general popular acceptance. In short, the bulk of the people themselves, for whatever reason, acquiesce in their own subjection.

If this were not the case, no tyranny, indeed no governmental rule, could long endure. Hence, a government does not have to be popularly elected to enjoy general public support; for general public support is in the very nature of all governments that endure, including the most oppressive of tyrannies. The tyrant is but one person, and could scarcely command the obedience of another person, much less of an entire country, if most of the subjects did not grant their obedience by their own consent.


I should like merely to understand how it happens that so many men, so many villages, so many cities, so many nations, sometimes suffer under a single tyrant who has no other power than the power they give him; who is able to harm them only to the extent to which they have the willingness to bear with him; who could do them absolutely no injury unless they preferred to put up with him rather than contradict him. Surely a striking situation! Yet it is so common that one must grieve the more and wonder the less at the spectacle of a million men serving in wretchedness...

Shall we call subjection to such a leader cowardice? ... If a hundred, if a thousand endure the caprice of a single man, should we not rather say that they lack not the courage but the desire to rise against him, and that such an attitude indicates indifference rather than cowardice? When not a hundred, not a thousand men, but a hundred provinces, a thousand cities, a million men, refuse to assail a single man from whom the kindest treatment received is the infliction of serfdom and slavery, what shall we call that? Is it cowardice? ...

When a thousand, a million men, a thousand cities, fail to protect themselves against the domination of one man, this cannot be called cowardly, for cowardice does not sink to such a depth... What monstrous vice, then, is this which does not even deserve to be called cowardice, a vice for which no term can be found vile enough

It is evident from the above passages that La Boétie is bitterly opposed to tyranny and to the public's consent to its own subjection. He makes clear also that this opposition is grounded on a theory of natural law and a natural right to liberty.
... more of this good sanity available here. (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard78.html)

And there is the rub!
Everybody mistakenly looks to government to secure them their liberty. Or even worse, their safety. They think that "their government" will do this, it's just the "other guy's government" that's screwing it up. Bush, Obama, Clinton, whoever it's the same government! Pretending there is a difference just gets us more of the same.

Government is not about securing a damned thing for you, me, anyone! Government is about milking everyone to death, until it is either brought to it's senses, or toppled.

We have the government we have because we settled for it. Hell we even cheer for it, every other 8 years. But the last 40 years have seen us settle like none of our forefathers, and this will surely be our end.

The illusion of parties, is nothing but divide and conquer, foisted on our children. The delusion that Islam is our enemy just makes it easier.

Perhaps I am this way because I don't have much left to lose. I have busted my butt since I was 18, and within 60 days I will be in exactly the same position Dennis our host, is (Jobless, no longer eligible for Unemployment, and homeless). It's looking like my daughter will inherit most of my possessions many years before my death.

But if I can't leave this place knowing my grandchildren are not as free, or more so, than the day I was born, it will all seem like a waste of time.

"It is said that every generation..." Well, this is our time. And it isn't about muslims, or Bush, or Obama. The choice is whether:
We as a people are sorta-happy, safe, and kept like farm animals. Or
We are free first, free last, and whether that is in poverty or prosperity, the devil take the hindmost.
Fred

[Sarahmay]

This is getting LOTS of coverage on MSM (surprisingly), but interestingly, on Huffington Post it is buried. George Soros no likey?

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I plan to fly over Thanksgiving. I have already decided to wear my skimpiest thong underwear and a lace bra. I plan to wear a pullover dress and slip it over my head at security. Not sure about the writing part - any good ideas about what to say?
This whole thing is so ridiculous, only humor will really cut through all the pseudo seriousness.... Will they do a "pat down"? we shall see.

[Ahkenaten]

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[HURRITT ENYETO]

I plan to fly over Thanksgiving. I have already decided to wear my skimpiest thong underwear and a lace bra. I plan to wear a pullover dress and slip it over my head at security. Not sure about the writing part - any good ideas about what to say?
This whole thing is so ridiculous, only humor will really cut through all the pseudo seriousness.... Will they do a "pat down"? we shall see.

Can you film it for us purely for political reasons of course, uh hum.
Just kiddin :)

[truthseekerdan]

Bush gets 'pat-down' by security on Jay Leno Show. (http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/monologue-11-18/1261198?__source=tnt|home|featured|recent) :faint2:

[onawah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkQoiaf7Uc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqV2Rmkqaw&NR=1

[Teakai]

I plan to fly over Thanksgiving. I have already decided to wear my skimpiest thong underwear and a lace bra. I plan to wear a pullover dress and slip it over my head at security. Not sure about the writing part - any good ideas about what to say?
This whole thing is so ridiculous, only humor will really cut through all the pseudo seriousness.... Will they do a "pat down"? we shall see.

You want to hope it's not like this one, Ahamkara:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/airport-pat-down-was-sexual-assault/story-e6frfq80-1225955026206

Lonely? Fly USA and get felt up good.
:yuck:

[Teakai]

Now that takes some guts, girl! You rock! It is ridiculous, I just hope some weirdos don't get their hands on you or that you end up being tasered by some Christian fundamentalist TSA worker who thinks you are doing the work of Satan and that, of course is very dangerous to national security! Good luck!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.
Sorry, I had a vision.

That's sooo not hot. (to be said Paris Hilton style)
LOL

Tasering should only be done to people wearing jeans - especially by fundamentalist Christians.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I do plan to have my partner filming. I think most agents are not comfortable with this procedure. Stripping down is rather like the lunch counter sit-in protests in the South during the 60's. The idea is to make everyone so uncomfortable that the question of what is being done is no longer avoidable. there is also the subtext of subtle groping when people are fully clothed. If you are in your underwear, it's pretty obvious what is or isnt there. This is a conscious attempt to humiliate and create docility in the population. It also takes advantage of most American's acute discomfort with their own bodies (not as common in Europe, as anyone who has ever been to a public beach there notices). I am quite serious in my humor!

[Teakai]

I'm absolutely totally on your side Ahamkara and I say bravo to you for doing it.

Make sure you let us know how it all goes.

Even if you get tasered.
Especially if you get tasered. (Especially by a fundamentalist Christian TSA worker)
:D

[onawah]

More here on this issue:
http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2010/DignityRapeGate.htm

[Snowbird]

My absolute favorite: Thoroughly Screwing America :sarcastic:


44 Ways to Say TSA: What do the initials "TSA" really stand for?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSoMVFfxfA&feature=player_embedded



Welcome, Testicle Searchers of America

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2010/11/19-2

[Teakai]

Getting jiggy with the TSA:

Don't touch my junk - the musical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhEMRSp7vaY&feature=player_embedded

[truthman]

Awesome video! It made my day. This video needs to be seen by everyone.

[Swami]

Cancer surviving flight attendant forced to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down


She says two female Charlotte T.S.A. agents took her to a private room and began what she calls an aggressive pat down. She says they stopped when they got around to feeling her right breast… the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?'. And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that'."

Cathy was asked to show her prosthetic breast, removing it from her bra.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13534628

[xbusymom]

Ok, again the reason why I say mass sterilization is the fact that if you have a very large person and you put them in this machine you can still see through then with the power of this X-Ray machine, now rule of thumb is you change the amount of radiation per amount of body fat right? well this machine seems to have a standard and this “Could” be a massive sterilization process to halt the ever expanding society, because I have never met a TSA worker that was also a radiologist.

Pregnant women, this is extremely harmful for, and I don’t recall them putting a lead coat over the family jewels in these machine's and that’s why I am figuring sterilization and I think this is a big topic and one that seriously needs addressing, because this is a stone’s throw away from naked walks to gas/shower houses in my honest opinion.

I for one don't operate my microwave oven with the door open, so why I would walk through one of these machines without leading up either. I know a quite a few radiologists that are asking a lot of real questions such as why is nobody worried that these machines are putting out background radiation of 16 mSv, in a one walk through, that’s actually a 5 year dose, and some of the Radiologists are very alarmed. For pregnant women that can still fly, background radiation, is a worry, whilst women are not in immediate danger of the natural amounts of radiation build up in the abdomen over time, these extra doses can causes issues to the development of the fetus a lot more earlier on than later.

Here is a solution... get a geiger counter radiation detector... only $45...

http://store.colemans.com/cart/gamma-radiation-detector-geiger-counter-cdv715-tested-p-2272.html?currency=USD

then you bring along with you to the airport notarized copies of Sovereign Notice of Understanding and Intent, and your Claim of Right that you have previously submitted to your local jurisdiction agency, and insist on verifying the safeness of the scanner (making sure of the test results several times) before you actually go through the machine...

or you monopolizing more than one security agents' time (preferably 3 or more) by insisting on having them re-inform and EXPLAIN to you the details of the procedure as well as the legal definitions of said document.. etc...

[xbusymom]

I plan to fly over Thanksgiving. I have already decided to wear my skimpiest thong underwear and a lace bra. I plan to wear a pullover dress and slip it over my head at security. Not sure about the writing part - any good ideas about what to say?
This whole thing is so ridiculous, only humor will really cut through all the pseudo seriousness.... Will they do a "pat down"? we shall see.

maybe you could demand them to demonstrate on another guard before they do a pat-down on you... to verify they are qualified and trained properly , also ask if you can see their 'searcher certification card'...

anything to hold up the line...
(ok I am really enjoying this too much.. LOL bwahahahaha !!!) the brain does weird things when exhausted*

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLrERzUdEpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLrERzUdEpw

[JoshERTW]

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/11/20/obama-flight-security-screening.html

Interestingly, out of every CBC story ever posted, that I have ever read - this one does not have a "comment" section for people to respond to. Curious?

[Swami]

Help You Make it to Your Flight

http://buckhowdy.bandcamp.com/track/help-you-make-it-to-your-flight

[Swami]

Airport Security TSA - Longest line ever!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmw01mAvkw

Young Boy Strip Searched By TSA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skkCpnCm7iM

[Bill Ryan]

I plan to fly over Thanksgiving. I have already decided to wear my skimpiest thong underwear and a lace bra. I plan to wear a pullover dress and slip it over my head at security. Not sure about the writing part - any good ideas about what to say?
This whole thing is so ridiculous, only humor will really cut through all the pseudo seriousness.... Will they do a "pat down"? we shall see.

How about: Do I pass the test?

:)

[xbusymom]

copy some kind of legal document that they must sign (on your skin) before they can proceed with the exam.

...if this is really about legal agreements and documentation, then you need an authorized signature, waving their exemption from suit, etc... (and take a pic of it later before you wash it off)

[truthseekerdan]

Ron Paul Debates TSA Screenings - CNN 11/19/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxJZboPywQ#!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxJZboPywQ#!

[Ahkenaten]

For those who are interested, here is a partial list of airport screening device manufacturers:

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/airport-scanner.html

and lest I forget, our own US company, Rapiscan Security Products, Inc. a subsidiary of OSI Systems, Inc:

http://www.rapiscansystems.com/

Needless to say with no limitation to corporate contributions to congress - thanks to Congress who receive gigantic corporate contributions to their "campaign (i.e. personal slush funds) coffers" - I am sure at least 1/2 of the forces driving the intense security efforts relates to intense concern for corporate profits. Remember how the stock prices jumped shortly after 911 when the government was officially touting the value of certain duct tape in sealing off homes ostensibly to protect citizens against anthrax bacteria and other threats?

Just a thought.

[Ahkenaten]

OK, here is what one top expert in the field of airport security has to say about the fact that the scanners do NOT replace the effective use of HUMIT

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2941610&sponsor=

and

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

Factoid - Michael Chertoff apparently is just ONE of our prestigious former US officials touting these devices while having a financial interest in increasing the sale of them to the govt.

[Ahkenaten]

And then there is this piece - leading to the conclusion that there IS a better way to maintain security while at the same time not treating everyone who flies like a criminal and exposing them to risks associated with cumulative exposure to radiation


http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/04/video-how-does-israel-protect-air-travel/

[xbusymom]

I think we should launch our own independent survey of TSA... get someone in each major city (perhaps a group of 1 per airline also) and have them pass out flyers with a website link to do a post-pat-down report.

[norman]

Remember how the whole incident was staged?
Months prior to the incident, Underwear Bomber's dad reported his son to the US Embassy because of his "extreme religious views". They put him in the terrorism database, but let him keep his U.S. Visa, did not put him on the "no-fly" list and let him fly without luggages to the US! Immediately after the incident, they blasted the creepy body scanners all over the news and rolled them out in a couple weeks. What a ridiculous script! What do they think we are, idiots or zombies?





Mayby they are securing the airports ready for the BIG FLIGHT to their underground bunkers. When the time comes, there are a lot of people booked into those places and they'll all have to get out through airports during a time when the population will be ready to lynch them all.

[fifi]

Ron Paul is asking us to support his bill - HR 6416, the American Traveler Dignity Act of 2010.


If you don’t live in my Congressional district please consider contacting your member of Congress and asking him or her to co-sponsor HR 6416, the American Traveler Dignity Act of 2010. With enough help we can push this bill to a vote early next year. Unless grassroots Americans take action, federal agencies like TSA will continue to bully us and ignore our basic Constitutional freedoms.

Source: http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-11-22/ron-paul-the-revolt-against-tsa/

[Anchor]

Saw this:


The TSA isn't the most respected of governmental agencies right now, but at least it comes by the poor reputation honestly. The lack of standards, inconsistent application of searches and policies, and occasional rude agent all combine to make flying an unpleasant experience. It's often derided as "security theater," which describes the experience of Mythbuster Adam Savage before a recent flight.

Savage was put through the full-body scanner, and while he joked that it made his penis feel small, no one seemed to notice the items he was carrying on his person. The video tells the rest of the story.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/adam-savage-tsa-saw-my-junk-missed-12-razor-blades.ars

[Deega]

Hi,

Here is the position of Dr Blaylock on the danger of Body Scanners in Airports.

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/blaylock_TSA_scan_safety/2010/11/24/363489.html?s=al&promo_code=B2FC-1

All my blessings.

Deega