What's The Purpose Of Education?

[Atlas]

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The real purpose of "education" is to destroy our heritage, culture and to dumb us down into a good corporate slave. (projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=167695&postcount=2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=167695&postcount=2))

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What's the purpose of education? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ozhu/The_purpose_of_education)

[Snowflower]

The purpose of SCHOOL is to dumb us down. Education happens outside school and is usually self-taught.

[phillipbbg]

Actually the purpose of education is to define distinct differences between socio economic groups of society... or more bluntly Class Distinction and don't for a minute think that a university education automatically puts you into a higher class on the contrary it often keeps you in your place.

In this modern world we have High Class and Serf Class or Rich and Poor there is no place for middle class and that should be very evident if one just looks at the whole economic period over the last 50 years, it has been the systematic removal of the middle and the re-defining of the two ends of society.

One of the most defining ways this is achieved is through language. For example in China which is a 2 tiered system of Rich and abject Poor working class we have the language of the elite (Mandarin) and the language of the non-elite (Cantonese) Cantonese is the simplified short language for the masses Mao had a lot to do with this simplification process during his cultural revolution period.

Now think about English and how it is being simplified and codified specifically through the introduction of technology... when was the last time you "penned a letter" we all communicate via "Memo" format emails , mobile phone texting etc are all simplified coded forms of lower class English and the education systems dependence upon the internet and digitisation of archival reference material is feeding this process plus it is fully controllable.

Anyway understand that the language we use and how we use it defines us.

[Ernie Nemeth]

People learn what they want to learn - no school or education system will stop that. Apprenticeships is the way to learn, learning side by side with an expert in the chosen field. School is only for basics and specifics - learnt in five years and done. Right now the most important lessons learned in school are: go to school every day - like you will have to do for work; authority is not to be questioned; knowledge is frozen in books - no need to analyze their conclusions; you cannot learn on your own without guidance; how to be compliant; how to gain the favor of those in power; the means to sideline others and form cliques; how boring and 'uncool' learning really is; among others. Little of what we learn in school is pertinent in our future lives and much that is pertinent to our lives is never taught - like honor, integrity, honesty, controlling finances, busting the fantasy of ' being successful' and its many attendant little deaths of naivety as the individual is disenfranchised of their false hopes and expectations.

School makes of us walking, talking automatons - good little consumers ready to buy the next gadget while complaining about taxes, politics, children, spouses, money and the state of the world in general but with no true grasp of what is wrong or how to go about changing it thanks to our woefully inadequate schooling and ingrained belief in our entitled status.

[Meggings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKci3_cmlqI

Spending nine minutes to listen to the thoughtful distillations made by John Taylor Gatto, is relevatory.
Gatto speaks with wisdom: [Modern schooling] "is absurd and anti-life to move from cell to cell at the sound of a gong for every day of your natural youth."
Both television and schooling reduce the real world.

Gatto is the fellow who spoke about how fleas that were used in flea circuses were trained - their spirits were broken. The natural instinct of a flea is to be free, and so many fleas were placed in a small jar with a lid on it. Fleas would smash into each other and the lid over and over again, until their spirits were broken. THEN when the lid was taken off, the fleas no longer tried to jump to their freedom. AND they were trainable.

[giovonni]

in my time it was quit obviously to only batter and beat down my own creative flow.

i had the wonderful mis/fortune of a bewildering early education ...
15 schools (2 twice) in 12 years ... with a cherry topped roman catholic prep finish ...

well i could not wait to get the hell out of the school penitentiary system and off to work in the world ...

But i always knew i would go back some day and finish off the tar and feathering before i got too old ...
when i returned i was in my mid forties ... then quit prepared to do battle with those educational elitist cowards ...

By that i mean - i was fully prepared to extract the real purposeful/benefits for the abomination we call higher education ...

And by the way i did quite well - i received honors begrudgingly from them ... :first:

[Shezbeth]

While browsing an antique bookstore, I came across a volume which I snatched up with the quickness. The book is entitled "Practical Home and School Methods - Education - Study and Instruction" published in 1917. To depict how different the perception was at the time, here is the preface; I am including it in its entirety, because it contains a position and scope that is - to my perception - all-but unheard of in contemporary education. The first paragraph is particularly breath-taking IMO. Enjoy!


EDUCATION is the birthright of every child. It is the duty of those in authority to protect the child in the enjoyment of this right. The kind and extent of education are primarily to be decided by the parent, or guardian, but later the youth may choose additional training for a particular trade or profession.

The test of education is not outward prosperity, the enlargement of man's dominion over nature, or the increase of commercial intercourse. These are laudable, if they add to the storehouse of human purpose, or extend the scope of permanent happiness among men. The true test of education is in the influence it has upon the minds and hearts of the people.

The first step in education is to ascertain the present state of mind development. Having learned the capacity of the mind, the instructor begins to teach new elements of knowledge. Step by step the learner is led to associate the new facts with those previously known, both of which are called into use from time to time by tests and examinations.

Successive tests may prove that the learner is making progress in lerning the branches studied, but this is a small part of the actual accomplishment. The overshadowing importance of exucational work is in the student themself, whose power of mind and body is enlarged and vitalized. A beneficient contagion drives the impulse of mental activity from one faculty to another - from vision to the memory, from the memory to the imagination, from the imagintion to the affections, and from the affections to the will - until the whole thing is awkened. The thrill passes from the first point of contact to all the faculties, causing the remotest part of the soul to feel the impulse.

In education the environment of the child must not be overlooked as a potent factor, The mind is influenced, not only by the course of lessons, but by the conditions under which the instruction is given. The home life, the surroundings in the schoolroom, the companions on the playground, in fact, all the things heard and seen, have a vitalizing or depressing influence in the process of development. Frequently influences of which we are not conscious wield the greater force upon the mind and life of the learner.

Education, aside from the subject taught, exercises an influence upon the character. A student who is trained to mental and physical labor absorbs cardinal virtues in addition to the elements of knowledge. They acquire habits of self-control, industry, and perseverance. The assignment of lessons causes them to accustom themself to other impulses than present inclinations. Eventually, through persistent work and study, they acquire ennobling habits and sturdy strength.

The scholar themself is the grandest type of perfection in education. They become enlarged, strengthened, and improved by the mental struggle through a decade or more of years. If facts are forgotten, they may be recalled by a trained mind in a systematic order when they are needed in actual service. The facts may even be lost, but a more important factor remains, the trained mind that gathers and vitalizes them.

Huxley, the English writer, gives the following definition of a liberal education:
That man, I think, has a liberal education who has been so trained in his youth that his body is the ready servant of his will and does with ease and pleasure all the works that, as a mechanism, it is capable of; whose intellect is a clear, cold logic-engine, with all its parts of equal strength and in smooth working order, ready like a steam engine to be turned to any kind of with and spin the gossamers as well as forge the anchors of the mind; whose mind is stored with a knowledge of the great and fundamental truths of nature and the laws of her operations; one who is full of life and fire, but whose passions are trained to come to heel by a vigorous will, the servant of a tender conscience; who has learned to love all beauty, whether of art or nature, to hate all vileness, and to respect others as himself.

The student is not inclined to measure life by years or decades, but rather by the wholesome culture of the mind. This culture brings an enlargement of power a greater capacity to discharge the functions of life, and makes it possible for the mind to range in a more expanded field. Although such mental development enlarges the duties and responsibilities, it greatly multiplies the joy of living as well as the hopes and ambitions for future years.

Oh but if I could force educators of today to comprehend this simple yet comprehensive missive.

[joeecho]

Education is, at it's core, distracting (among other things). What is it distracting us from? That is ultimately for the individual to discover. The kicker is that the searching is also a distraction.

It all comes full circle.

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[ghostrider]

education on Earth is just mind control , programing kids to think in a box , pre-determined by those intent on keeping humanity in the dark ... memorizing information is not learning ... that's my take on it ...

[StandingWave]

Daniel Quinn has my vote for figuring out what the purpose is: Schooling: The Hidden Agenda (http://ishmael.org/Education/Writings/unschooling.shtml)

[Wind]

All my life I have loved information and knowledge, but never did I really like school.

It was too restrictive for me, I do better on my own.

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[StandingWave]

Daniel Quinn has my vote for figuring out what the purpose is: Schooling: The Hidden Agenda (http://ishmael.org/Education/Writings/unschooling.shtml)

[heyokah]

I wise man....

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[apokalypse]

education on Earth is just mind control , programing kids to think in a box , pre-determined by those intent on keeping humanity in the dark ... memorizing information is not learning ... that's my take on it ...

i agree, recently i found out there's many method of doing maths(addition-multiplication-division-substraction) not just typical 1 method teaches at school which against your thought. Usually you doing maths like addition from left to right but at school going right to left.

The Greatest History Lesson - John Taylor Gatto - The Truth About Your Education
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i come to conclusion best education is outside of mainstream/institution.

[RunningDeer]

While browsing an antique bookstore, I came across a volume which I snatched up with the quickness. The book is entitled "Practical Home and School Methods - Education - Study and Instruction" published in 1917. To depict how different the perception was at the time, here is the preface; I am including it in its entirety, because it contains a position and scope that is - to my perception - all-but unheard of in contemporary education. The first paragraph is particularly breath-taking IMO. Enjoy!

Thanks, FA. I found a link with several formats: pdf, EPUB, kindle, etc.
'Practical Home and School Methods of Study and Instruction in the Fundamental Elements of Education' (https://archive.org/details/practicalhomesch01hols)


Daniel Quinn has my vote for figuring out what the purpose is: Schooling: The Hidden Agenda (http://ishmael.org/Education/Writings/unschooling.shtml)

Great article, StandingWave. Thanks.


Why Common Core Must Be Opposed

Arkansas Mother Obliterates Common Core in 4 Minutes
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TN Student Speaks Out About Common Core, Teacher Evaluations, and Educational Data
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[Dennis Leahy]

There is a video - quite honestly, it is dry and pretty boring as a presentation - of an interview with a journalist that had access to Carnegie/Rockefeller meeting minutes. I cannot remember the journalist's name, and I have been unable to find it in a search. If anyone has a link to the video, it would be appreciated.

What the journalist found in the meeting notes/minutes was that Carnegie and Rockefeller conspired to buy-out a cluster of college-level history professors. Their first attempt failed, but the second succeeded. [They got to the prestigious historians, with the agenda of having them re-write US history - including, I would assume, showing Carnegie and Rockefeller to be "captains of industry" and philanthropists, not the tyrannical, cutthroat, sociopaths they really were.]

The journalist also found the conspiracy to take over the education system - in writing.

I'd love to see/copy this video, if anyone can find it.

-Dennis

[Deega]

Challenging question - here's a few quotes of well recognized people on Education.

“Children must be taught how to think, not what to think.”
― Margaret Mead

“If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library.”
― Frank Zappa

“Intelligence plus character-that is the goal of true education.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

“Ideally, what should be said to every child, repeatedly, throughout his or her school life is something like this: 'You are in the process of being indoctrinated. We have not yet evolved a system of education that is not a system of indoctrination. We are sorry, but it is the best we can do. What you are being taught here is an amalgam of current prejudice and the choices of this particular culture. The slightest look at history will show how impermanent these must be. You are being taught by people who have been able to accommodate themselves to a regime of thought laid down by their predecessors. It is a self-perpetuating system. Those of you who are more robust and individual than others will be encouraged to leave and find ways of educating yourself — educating your own judgements. Those that stay must remember, always, and all the time, that they are being moulded and patterned to fit into the narrow and particular needs of this particular society.”
― Doris Lessing, The Golden Notebook

“Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.”
― Aristotle

“Education is the kindling of a flame, not the filling of a vessel.”
― Socrates

“The more I live, the more I learn. The more I learn, the more I realize, the less I know.”
― Michel Legrand

The best to everyone.

[panopticon]

There is a video - quite honestly, it is dry and pretty boring as a presentation - of an interview with a journalist that had access to Carnegie/Rockefeller meeting minutes. I cannot remember the journalist's name, and I have been unable to find it in a search. If anyone has a link to the video, it would be appreciated.

What the journalist found in the meeting notes/minutes was that Carnegie and Rockefeller conspired to buy-out a cluster of college-level history professors. Their first attempt failed, but the second succeeded. [They got to the prestigious historians, with the agenda of having them re-write US history - including, I would assume, showing Carnegie and Rockefeller to be "captains of industry" and philanthropists, not the tyrannical, cutthroat, sociopaths they really were.]

The journalist also found the conspiracy to take over the education system - in writing.

I'd love to see/copy this video, if anyone can find it.

-Dennis

Not much information to go on.
Was it Norman Dodd?
https://archive.org/details/TaxExemptFoundationsAndCollectivistTreason-OverthrowOfTheUsa

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-- Pan

[Dennis Leahy]

There is a video - quite honestly, it is dry and pretty boring as a presentation - of an interview with a journalist that had access to Carnegie/Rockefeller meeting minutes. I cannot remember the journalist's name, and I have been unable to find it in a search. If anyone has a link to the video, it would be appreciated.

What the journalist found in the meeting notes/minutes was that Carnegie and Rockefeller conspired to buy-out a cluster of college-level history professors. Their first attempt failed, but the second succeeded. [They got to the prestigious historians, with the agenda of having them re-write US history - including, I would assume, showing Carnegie and Rockefeller to be "captains of industry" and philanthropists, not the tyrannical, cutthroat, sociopaths they really were.]

The journalist also found the conspiracy to take over the education system - in writing.

I'd love to see/copy this video, if anyone can find it.

-Dennis

Not much information to go on.
Was it Norman Dodd?
https://archive.org/details/TaxExemptFoundationsAndCollectivistTreason-OverthrowOfTheUsa

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-- Pan
Awesome job, Panopticon! That's it! Thank you so much! Downloading archival copy now. It has been several years since I listened to it, so I'll see if my recollection about this interview is correct or if I blended something else into it.

[ghostrider]

The bigger picture behind education and thinking is , the thoughts of each person have an energy attached to them , the ET's say this electromagnetic wave goes out from human to human , from planet to planet , across the Universe ... they want us to learn how to think correctly ... they try to bring us into a cosmic balance with the Universe ... you've all seen it , a person with negative thinking can enter a room full of people and not say a word and the whole energy of the room feels the negative vibe ... flip side , a person with positive thinking enters and without saying a word everyone feels relief , or lighter , or happier ... thoughts have an energy , a planet full of negative energy will have huge problems , a planet full of positive energy will be in balance and the whole of nature will reflect it ... going out into nature one feels better because there aren't so many humans and negative thoughts generated ... early in the morning while most are asleep , it is calm , there aren't as many negative thoughts going out creating that wave that hits everyone ... we are affected by thoughts ...

[Deega]

Here's Ken Robinson on "How to escape education's death valley" on TED video.

"Sir Ken Robinson outlines 3 principles crucial for the human mind to flourish — and how current education culture works against them. In a funny, stirring talk he tells us how to get out of the educational "death valley" we now face, and how to nurture our youngest generations with a climate of possibility".


https://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_how_to_escape_education_s_death_valle y

The best to everyone.

[Innocent Warrior]

Programming.


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[apokalypse]

i was suck in maths in high school even my parents paid me go to tutorials, i wasn't into learning but once i go to Uni things go opposite. I got a pass on for maths subjects which basically advance maths in year 11-12. I can' believe got a good a pass of 2 years high school maths for 18 also weeks.

from my experience you learn more outside school than inside...

[huyi82]

school teaches you to be compliant, and to be a docile slave when you are a adult and to prepare you for the working slave society we live in so that we can "survive" in the real world, that is all school is about, i don't blame some parents from homeschooling their kids.

[Natalia]

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[Frenchy]

quotes two and five are priceless !

[lizfrench]

The purpose of education? Public schooling is social engineering. Prison for kids. Babysitter for parents. Creativity is barely part of the equation, along with recess. I home school my daughter, she reads many, many books and is very grounded.

[seah]

The purpose of education within the school system is to teach children how to follow rules, lineup straight, ingest propaganda and repeat it as fact.

[enfoldedblue]

My latest article was on this topic. It hasn't been published yet so I can't link the whole article ... but here is the start:


“The world got compulsion schooling at the end of a state bayonet for the first time in human history; modern forced schooling started in Prussia in 1819 with a clear vision of what centralized schools could deliver:
1. Obedient soldiers to the army;
2. Obedient workers to the mines;
3. Well subordinated civil servants to government;
4. Well subordinated clerks to industry
5. Citizens who thought alike about major issues.”
– John Taylor Gatto

Schools have never been about the needs of children. Since their inception they have been about creating a populace that caters to the desires of the ruling class. Corporate leaders and their allies in government have continually worked to shape education to fit the requirements of industry. They are not interested in developing independent, self-directed individuals with the capacity to think critically and originally; they benefit from creating a malleable, suggestible, obedient and competitive population that accepts being instructed, monitored, assessed and controlled from the top down.

[Dupont]

The negative points of the learning systems that schools offer, the purpose and why are they designed this way, are pretty obvious in my opinion as long as a little research is done. Even it's clear
that when you are an adult or begin to be one, if you are interested, you can leave this designed path learning on your own skills and subjects that are really useful in your life.

But on the other hand, i can't figure out, what could be the alternative for a 4,6,8.... years old kid who lives in a country with obligatory education, where all his friends goes to school and his parents thinks that it will be the best for him because they were taught to think like this.

Maybe living in a community with parents and teachers concerned in teach the best for him? But still, if this kind of communities would exist, it will need that the parents move, left his home town, the entry doors
of some jobs will be closed for him, as they will required the x years attending the pre-designated education, an so on...

There's no easy way out, the trap is very well set up.

[Atlas]

Prince EA - THE PEOPLE VS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM: I JUST SUED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM !!!

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[Sophocles]

Cross posted from the Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit -thread:

The paradox of "education":

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And how (http://http://library.flawlesslogic.com/fichte.htm) it came to be...

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...in other words...:

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[ponda]

Whistleblower Explains How Education System Targets ‘Resistors’

source (http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/03/20/whistleblower-explains-education-system-targets-resistors/?utm_source=Waking+Times+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16b1cf637c-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_25f1e048c1-16b1cf637c-54356065)

Isaac Davis (http://www.wakingtimes.com/category/contributors/isaac-davis/), Staff Writer
Waking Times

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“I was taught really how to con the community.” ~Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt (https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=wakitime09-20&keywords=Charlotte%20Iserbyt&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=2ee328a0655761860f27c81426a2bb86)



Charlotte Iserbyt has a long history of work with the U.S. Department of Education as a former policy advisor during the Reagan administration, as well as having worked for local school districts. In her seminal book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0966707117/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=wakitime09-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0966707117&linkId=7bdd0889a462ecb242487b827a696b55), she tells the story of how her interest in educating children was overshadowed by the dark truth of the modern education system, and the top-down plan to overhaul education to achieve statist aims.

As the reality that education is used against us sinks in for everyday Americans, her work becomes ever more valuable, and of the many startling truths she has revealed, one fact stands out as particularly relevant to today’s environment, where the nanny state increasingly usurps authority over individual and family decisions, turning us into de facto agents of state control.

Speaking in an interview, Iserbyt explains how school system functionaries are trained to identify resistors, the parents among us whom would dare to object to the unreasonable changes in schools and educational programs.


‘I was trained to identify the resistors. The resistors to the sex-ed, drug-ed, alcohol-ed, suicide-ed, death-ed, those sgood, smart Americans who realize that anything that education hanging off the end of it is probably not what they’re looking for. I was trained to identify those good people, and to go up against them, and actually to go and try to get them to join us through the group process system. Make them feel important, get them on a committee… and that just blew my mind.” ~Charlotte Iserbyt


How does the school system manage to force programs onto local districts which would never want such programs? How do they con people into accepting new ideas for education that really don’t make sense for their communities?

The answer is that the system actually trains members of the school system to identify, target, and recruit the right people in a community, so that others will play follow-the-leader with people whom they trust.


“Not only was I trained to identify the resistors, I was trained to go to the improtant people, high profile, highly thought of people in the community, with the Rotary, Chamber of Commerce Garden Club, you name it. The different groups in our towns. Go to them and convince them of the importance of these new programs… and get them on your side, because when you can get the leadership in a community to go along with it, then the newspaper comes in and says, a committee’s been set up with the head of the Rotary, and this and that, and they’re all getting behind this task force to discuss whether we’re going to have a new sex education program. And then, when Mary Jones, who would ordinarily think, why would we want to have a sex education program when we don’t have any problems with kids having sex or anything… she reads that her best friend who’s the head of the Garden Club is on this committee… it must be OK.” ~Charlotte Iserbyt

Iserbyt talks briefly about the training manual for district employees which teaches them to be good agents of the state. Written by Professor Ronald Havelock, Innovations in Education: A Change Agent’s Guide (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0877780390/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=wakitime09-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0877780390&linkId=32e5a40f679deba928ae46d7efabaa11) is the manual for turning the American school system into a Stasi-like program of group think and mindless acquiescence. Yes, there really is a manual which teaches educators how to monitor and interdict parents who wish to have a say in how their children are educated, and according to Iserbyt, it is quite revolting, and very effective.

The end result of a government program which targets and neutralizes dissenters and resistors is nation-wide conformity with educational objectives which serve the interest of the corporate state while failing children and families.



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[Houman]

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[Atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkauMnNfI_o
This is correct, the president of the U.S. should care about American children, not about some 'fake' war somewhere far in the middle east.

Donald Trump - Broken Education System
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[Houman]

Cross post from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1145195&viewfull=1#post1145195

About 6 moths ago I had a discussion with a colleague (involved in exotic stuff) about Trump being the "peace candidate"... at the time he told me that the best description for Trump would be the following video (people will hear what they want to hear and he will do what he wants to do)... recent events seem to prove him right...
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[Wizard Of Ozark]

The purpose of education would seem to depend on the intentions of those doing/coordinating the educating. And that changes just like everything changes. It's an impartation of worldview and knowledge which seeks to socialize the learner in accordance to the educator's wishes. Education is a powerful concept and can change the world in powerful ways. To deny a people an informed education is to wage war against their positive futures.