Project Avalon's Message and Vision - Reminder

[Natalia]

The reason why I am posting this, is as a reminder of the diversity of subjects that are included as part of the overall message and vision of this forum.

I've noticed that sometimes someone points out that (they think) that a member does not really post what fits with this forum, but according to the following statement, by Bill Ryan, the forum creator and manager, this may not be the case, even though it can easily seem like it is, at times.


What is that Message and Vision?

In creating this new forum, we're encouraging all members who've been invited here to:

Start or participate in community projects that will radiate out to the members' communities - or
Post information and participate in regards to awakening; spirituality; healing humanity; galactic and earth changes; geopolitics; new science; hidden history; ETs and disclosure; what we are not being told by those who might wish to control us - and much else.

Please be proactive in real time in the true spirit of Avalon. Many of you already do, of course. However, we'd like you all to share more about these activities as it will lead to others becoming awakened.

So...

Please do us and this forum proud - and show us the spiritual beings we know you all to be.

Please always remember that this is in essence a private party. We value quality, not quantity. We don't aspire to be like Above Top Secret or Godlike Productions (and there are good reasons for that). This private party is a place of learning, awareness, respect, intelligence, community and fun.

The Avalon forum:

Is committed to the learning of all, and to creating and sustaining an environment in which everyone can express themselves freely and safely, and make nurturing and positive connections with one another.
Is committed to presenting a wide range of topics for all to learn from. It's an astonishingly diverse and deep library and current affairs portal.
Is committed to supporting new members, including those who are timid or shy and/or young, and to assisting in their growth.
Encourages respect and deep appreciation for the wide range of personalities and life experiences that the forum members bring to the 'party'.
Is committed to providing support for anyone who is experiencing difficulty or challenge in their lives. There's a very great deal of genuine love and kindness available, freely and openly shared if it's ever asked for.

More of this post can be found here:
Welcome to Avalon!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7225-Welcome-to-Avalon-

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I'll throw in that when I joined PA, the importance of the community was impressed upon me, with the idea that we all get to know and cooperate with each other as friends rather than associates in investigative work. Though of course investigations into X-files type stuff and increased awareness in generally is what draws this particular community together. :)


In other words (I know what Natalia is getting at), I think a pretty big social element is already present here. I enjoy scholarly research (my favorite posts to read here) but we also have kitten threads here, and while I'm not a cat person I understand the general use of this forum as an outlet for community members to express themselves. That's also part of the yin/yang nature of human consciousness, and increasingly a feature of "social media" on the internet.

[Natalia]

I'll throw in that when I joined PA, the importance of the community was impressed upon me, with the idea that we all get to know and cooperate with each other as friends rather than associates in investigative work. Though of course investigations into X-files type stuff and increased awareness in generally is what draws this particular community together. :)

I love the sense of community here.

Just to add, that people are not necessarily "shills" or "trolls" just because at times they bring something a little different to the table.

[Nasu]

I agree, this place is a rich tapestry of members. Like bsbray, I don't mind people talking about their pets or any other subject that is not directly linked to our investigations in the underworld. If it bothers you to see a thread with cats or dreams or prognostications that don't resonate with your path, walk on. My thoughts are it is best ignored rather than going into the thread and posting my dislike of the thread! Some people have too much time on their hands..

Avalon is a forum and a community of diverse souls with diverse interests, that's as it should be. That being said, I would hate it if our thing became like face book or similar, with every superficial subject under the sun being covered, to the point of information overload. Remember a confused mind will always say no...

It takes a village to raise a child so they say, we are all the children in this context...x.... N

[grannyfranny100]

Natalia, one thing I find strange. Many members seem unwilling to provide basic info: age, location, education, their field of endeavor, brief bio, et al.

At times I read a post and check this out before I respond to their post. Why? Because this information may be helpful for understanding them, the problem or viewpoint, helpful resources in their location. After all, much of what we seem to want in our society is more transparency.

Nevertheless, I am not aware of any member mentioning this. As Bill wrote,"Encourages respect and deep appreciation for the wide range of personalities and life experiences that the forum members bring to the 'party'.."

I wonder if members remember why they didn't want to reveal such information.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

At times I read a post and check this out before I respond to their post. Why? Because this information may be helpful for understanding them, the problem or viewpoint, helpful resources in their location. After all, much of what we seem to want in our society is more transparency.

Transparency for elected public officials who have a duty to the common citizens, but I think for the common citizens themselves (who are not holding public office but simply leading private lives), the trend has been to call for more privacy. That is why people have problems with the NSA wiretapping something like 100 million Americans without warrant.

My point of view on this is that I don't need someone's bio to get the content out of their messages and assess that for what it's worth. The evaluation of the information itself is front and center for me anyway. A bio might shed more light on the context of the information but it's not crucial and might even encourage stereotypes or other misleading thoughts toward the person. And if they wish to keep things private there is certainly nothing wrong with that either.

[Natalia]

Nevertheless, I am not aware of any member mentioning this. As Bill wrote,"Encourages respect and deep appreciation for the wide range of personalities and life experiences that the forum members bring to the 'party'.."


I have seen it quite a few times, but it does not happen a lot...people trying to insinuate or say that other people are or may be "trolls" or "shills"...this happens on other forums, too.

This post is just for people to think about (if they wish) with an open heart and open mind, to at times perhaps having a little more respect and acceptance of differences that do no harm, and that may actually be of value, to some, even if it is not to them (I do not mean things that go against forum rules or that are overly distasteful).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This was before my generation but the message still hasn't been lost. :hippie:


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[Natalia]

0bgRA04Dx6E

"I am an old soul in a young body
We are all infinite equals with unique challenges and blessings

I respect and honour my feelings
I respect and honour my self
I believe and sing my true feelings
I respect the voice of my soul

I'm not here to feed your self-esteem
I respect and honour you, but if you don't reciprocate I will leave

I respect and honour my feelings
I respect and honour my self
I express and honour my feelings
I expect respect in return

I am here to shine my love light
and be my true blue beautiful wonderful soul
If my light shows you your shadows,
you can resist or you can grow
And if your light shows me my shadows,
I will honour you and grow

Judgement, jealousy, gossip, belittling energy
Were only blocking us from being the best that we can be
We are designed for harmony
I am here to respect and honour you,
while respecting and honouring me ~

It feels like flying free ~" ~ Cora Flora, Respect and Honour

[Iloveyou]

Dear Natalia,

may I take the opportunity here on your thread to send greetings to ALL Avalonians, especially to those who I (virtually) haven't met yet and will encounter probably just briefly. The researchers, investigators, theorists, analysts, who dig deep, who collect and process the enormous amount of complex information, who question and examine the least detail. Their discussions provide a solid and reliable foundation to evolve understanding. I value and appreciate it and I'm very aware that this is the core of Avalon.

I'm reading a lot, but my active part is (not alone due to my limited language skills) on the other side. Images, visions, dreams, intuition, inspiration, the female part (including playfulness and childlike trust). This is what I want to say:


THE POWERFUL FEMALE HONORS THE POWERFUL MALE.

Natalia, thank you for your love and your courage and yes, there's way more to erotic and sexuality than to bring the next generation into this world, but that's another matter and to talk about that requires a protected and sacred space. Iloveyou.

[Innocent Warrior]

Thanks Nat, I hadn't seen this. Maybe I'm missing something but the forum seems to reflect the vision quite nicely. I support the idea of quality not quantity, we have a bit of fun but keep it to just a few threads and same goes with the community threads. Bill and the mods aren't backwards in coming forward, so if they haven't said anything then I wouldn't worry about it. <3

[grannyfranny100]

I am not sure I buy into "A bio might shed more light on the context of the information but it's not crucial and might even encourage stereotypes or other misleading thoughts toward the person. And if they wish to keep things private there is certainly nothing wrong with that either."

If they want to keep information so secret and private then why are some of them being so open with their requests for help about very private events in their lives?

What they mainly get is trite comments of spiritual support similar to cocktail party banter. Some people do provide constructive suggestions and questions about the problem. But too often it seems that the responders are just counting their number of thanks as some value about themselves. That is not mutual respect.

[onawah]

I think it should be taken into consideration that forums like Avalon are being monitored by various arms of TPTW, and some members may feel that the more anonymous they can remain in terms of their identity in physical space and time, the safer they will be from attacks, whether psychic and/or, up to and including the actual physical plane.
Others may be following Kerry Cassidy's and Bill Ryan's leads in the philosophy that the more open and in plain sight we are, the safer we are.
We have been warned about the possible repercussions of speaking our minds in the current fascist paradigm; though some may take it more seriously than others, I would imagine the issue of safety is in the back of most our minds.
Of course, it appears that TPTW have many ways and means of discovering who is saying what no matter how private the communication venue may appear to be...
But that is a subject for another discussion.

As far as being private on the one hand and open on the other as to who we really are in spirit, I see no contradiction there.
If people take precautions which make them feel safer here on the forum, then they will naturally be more willing and likely to expose their core beingness in ways more personal and emotional, as well as in terms of what they think and believe.

I'm sure I am speaking for many Avalonians when I say that it can be lonely being awake and aware, and even just having a forum of like-minded truth seekers can help to overcome the loneliness and despair most of us undoubtedly feel at times, knowing that even the ones we love in our private lives often cannot or would not understand if we try to share our views about what is really going on in the world.

One of the ways I try to deal with this is to compartmentalize my life, in that I discuss with my environmentalist friends only those views that I share with them about environmental issues, for the most part, and avoid telling them about what I know they would consider to be absolutely crazy "conspiracy theories" because I know it would only alienate them.
Though once in awhile I will plant a little seed in their minds if I can reasonably do so in hopes that it will take root.
And the same goes for friends who are interested in spirituality, or health, or science, history, etc. etc.

I have a lot of Gemini in my astrological aspects, so it may be easier for me to compartmentalize like that than it is for others.
But there is still a point where I become frustrated because I am able to just be who I really am with very few people in my life, and because a very important part of who I am has to do with having the very particular kind of awareness and awakeness that I share here on Avalon and hardly anywhere else.
And so Avalon has become a very important part of my life.
Knowing that there are others here who really understand, and who share the same brand of angst has been very helpful in dealing with the sense of isolation.

And that definitely includes the part of me that just needs to break loose, "horse around", express myself creatively and have fun sometimes!

Awhile back, there was a thread called "The Pub at the End of the Universe" that was designed in large part for just that purpose by a member who was fairly new at the time (she has since become inactive, as far as I know).
It was a lot of fun while it lasted, and I think many of the frequent posters there were able to release a large amount of suppressed energy and express themselves in ways that spoke much more to their sense of being whole, genuine and uncensored human beings, rather than just serious truth seekers (not to minimize the importance of the latter).
When we are dealing with so much serious and dark subject matter all the time, I think new ways of coping have to be developed if we are to retain any sense of sanity and normalcy.
The Pub served that purpose, but it got unruly and out of hand and eventually closed its doors, though I think it was a very good learning experience while it lasted (and Avalon has had a lot of those!).
It was a great way for some of us to get together, be creative,:paintgirl: uninhibited, :dance3: outrageous and naughty :kiss3::flirt: all in good fun, :jester::cantina: and I think it was very good medicine.

For awhile, a slightly more sedate Group called Through the Looking Glass that I started helped to fill in the void for some members after the Pub closed, but eventually that lost momentum.
There was something about the dynamic of those two venues that was interesting and hard to explain--the Pub was open to all members and the public as well, but it was very uninhibited, which had a lot to do with why it closed down--I think Avalon has a certain standard of decorum to maintain if it is to remain a serious forum focused on the higher purpose of truth seeking, and the Pub tended to infringe on that.
But I think that spirit of rebellion actually also helped to keep the Pub momentum going, and it may have actually bled over into other areas on Avalon which might have needed the stimulation.
Whereas Through the Looking Glass, since it was a Group, could only be seen by members, and for a while at first, was for invited Avalonians only, so that spirit of rebelliousness wasn't present so much, and that may have been part of what was lacking.

But like any group focused on communal creativity, the chemistry and timing has to be right, and that isn't really something that can be predicted or controlled, it just kind of happens.
And it's really kind of miraculous when it does.

In any case, we still have threads like Kittens, Nature Pics, Theories of the Deep Understanding of Things and others where we can still just have fun and be creative, and there is always room for new threads or Groups when enough members have the focus and momentum to get them going.

There have been many phases of growth on Avalon, often followed by periods of relative inactivity.
I wonder if Ulli or someone skilled in astrology has ever done a chart for Avalon. Something for the Predictions thread, perhaps!

[prc]

I agree with what was said by member Onawa, just above. Here is the only place I dare to talk about this subjects because the majority of the population seems to be in an autopilot mode, not questioning why the reality is ugly and most important why it never changes.

I have no one in my family I can speak about the subjects posted here, no one on my job or colleagues at university.

So maybe we could think about promoting a meeting for avalonians to meet up in real life.

It is just a thought.

I decided not to publish details of myself because I understand that the whole internet is monitored.

Kind Regards!

Paula

[Mike]

I am not sure I buy into "A bio might shed more light on the context of the information but it's not crucial and might even encourage stereotypes or other misleading thoughts toward the person. And if they wish to keep things private there is certainly nothing wrong with that either."

If they want to keep information so secret and private then why are some of them being so open with their requests for help about very private events in their lives?

What they mainly get is trite comments of spiritual support similar to cocktail party banter. Some people do provide constructive suggestions and questions about the problem. But too often it seems that the responders are just counting their number of thanks as some value about themselves. That is not mutual respect.



God this is so true;)

on the one hand, you don't really know what to say to someone in distress. its like being at a funeral, where you hear "im sorry for your loss" with insane repetition, which feels at times like some cruel alternative to chinese water torture. you can very quickly tell the true sympathizers from the ones going thru the motions; the true sympathizers will usually offer their time and effort along with their condolences. they'll babysit, make food, take those suffering out to coffee, and so forth.

its the same here.

im thinking of something dennis said recently, about the importance of outer work: how in the physical its just as important as inner work; how one must not use inner work as some sort of sanctimonious excuse to avoid helping others, or other forms of outer work.

its warmed my heart on the few occasions ive seen members assist others in the real world...outside the forum. but it doesnt happen nearly enough in my opinion. ive seen many threads pop up, so n so is homeless, so n so is broke, so n so is deathly ill, so forth. and generally what you get is 10 pages of folks offering trite platitudes and sending "positive energy" and other vaguely meaningful nonsense. and im sittin there shaking my head, thinkin 'what this dude needs is some f#ckin money!' and despite all our bluster about "changing the world" and defeating the so called illuminatti, you might get one or 2 people offering this guy some real help, like a few bucks or a place to stay or whatever.

to some degree this stems from the weird obsession with anonymity grannyfranny mentions above. its hard to develop any real comaraderie or symapthy with a nearly anonymous member.

("lets go defeat the illuminatti! ...that is, unless i have to reveal my first name or age or vague location. then im out..")

on the one hand, we assign tptb an almost otherworldly power: they practice the dark arts, can disappear and reappear at will, survive in space without the aid of oxygen, so on. on the other hand, theres this contradictory naivete...this thinking that, despite the near supernatural power and resources of tptb, the magical bastards might not be able to track me down if i leave out that i reside in boulder colorado on my avalon resume:)

i understand wanting a little anonymity in one's life, but if its a fear based desire its very unhealthy. and i think we have some unnecessary fear here. i really do. and what chance do we have in the real world, in our outer world, if we're too fearful to reveal basic info about ourselves on an internet forum. theres nothing courageous or even remotely helpful about shutting out the outside world and typing flowery sh!t on a computer all day long. its delusional. you could accomplish 100 times that just by giving a homeless guy 5 bucks, or a few canned goods or something.

so, what was the point of this thread again?;) (sorry Nat, a little off topic)

well...i guess this was still sort of relevant.

the forum means alot of things to alot of different people. i often find myself talking about me more than anything else. so for me, maybe its an emotional release mechanism. i try to relate it to the topic, tho im not always successful. not too long ago, tesla started a wonderful thread, a play by play documentary if you will, about her trying to woo a post office employee. these are the threads i like best - personal and anecdotal. its a nice reminder that we're all humans and not just a bunch of bots unemotionally repeating a bunch of trite drivel...

im sorry for your loss
im sorry for your loss
im sorry for your loss..

we can do a little better

[Natalia]

I wish I could reply more right now, thank you all for your posts, all containing good points made (and some little fun-fun cuddly bits - Onawah! hehe :) )


Maybe I'm missing something but the forum seems to reflect the vision quite nicely.

Yes, it does to me too :) good for you to mention that.


the forum means alot of things to alot of different people. i often find myself talking about me more than anything else. so for me, maybe its an emotional release mechanism. i try to relate it to the topic, tho im not always successful. not too long ago, tesla started a wonderful thread, a play by play documentary if you will, about her trying to woo a post office employee. these are the threads i like best - personal and anecdotal. its a nice reminder that we're all humans and not just a bunch of bots unemotionally repeating a bunch of trite drivel...


yeah :) the human to human connection and sharing is my fave part of this forum, and it is about different things including love, friendship, ET/UFO stuff, past lives, spiritual experiences, health, etc...some of us have a greater need to express ourselves emotionally and to connect with others in this way...they/we say "we are one", and togetherness could not happen without individuals getting closer and connecting more deeply...

And, personal sharings can be "educational" or aiding in learning, in their own way...

Personally (and to others, I am sure) being human seems like a big part of why we are here...and I do not want to loose connection with my humanity.

[araucaria]

This morning I rediscovered a post by Bill Ryan that I am posting here as a complement to the one quoted in the OP. It describes the “natural stages (…) applicable to anything from a start-up company, to a project team, to a special forces unit, to a marriage. Maybe even a New Civilization.”

My point is that the Avalon forum has not only an aim and a message; it has reached an advanced stage in its evolution, namely, in Bill’s words, “PERFORMING - this is now a 'cream team' which is performing effortlessly, effectively, and with high enthusiasm and mutual support. (This level of operation is quite rare.)”. Meanwhile, we are all individually engaged in other projects which may or may not have reached this developed state. Understanding this is needed because for newer members, who it should be stressed are an integral part of the forum’s effective process, their own personal relationship with the forum is naturally passing through the earlier stages of “FORMING - when everyone is enthusiastic and highly motivated, but effectiveness is nowhere near maximized” and “STORMING - work continues to get done, but morale is lower: problems, difficulties, irritations and conflicts raise their heads.” Getting fully up to speed means passing through the third level, “NORMING - disagreements and misunderstandings are worked through and resolved, agreements are reached, protocols are established, and effectiveness and productivity really start to soar.”

Hence, since the forum as a whole is at the “performing” stage, this means that it can effectively handle locally less developed patterns. This is meant as a general remark aimed at no one and no specific content. It also applies to older members who may get impatient. They can work on the basis that the mods are doing their job, vetting new members and monitoring threads, which means that we ought to be able to deal with anything coming up on our screens, even though we may not always like it.

As all teams evolve, they go through natural stages. The following simple model is surprisingly applicable to anything from a start-up company, to a project team, to a special forces unit, to a marriage. Maybe even a New Civilization.

There are four stages:







FORMING - when everyone is enthusiastic and highly motivated, but effectiveness is nowhere near maximized.
STORMING - work continues to get done, but morale is lower: problems, difficulties, irritations and conflicts raise their heads.
NORMING - disagreements and misunderstandings are worked through and resolved, agreements are reached, protocols are established, and effectiveness and productivity really start to soar.
PERFORMING - this is now a 'cream team' which is performing effortlessly, effectively, and with high enthusiasm and mutual support. (This level of operation is quite rare.)



Relationships go through this, too... of every kind. It's a natural cycle.

http://projectavalon.net/team_performance_curve.gif

The key to success is to move through the STORMING phase well. It's always there.







FORMING - High direction and clarity are needed. Personal support is not so needed, though, as enthusiasm is high all round.
STORMING - High direction and also high personal support - as morale wobbles and relationships are challenged. There needs to be a lot of talking and listening. Patience and understanding are essential.
NORMING - Direction from a leadership role isn't necessary any more, but it's necessary to maintain high personal support during the transition phase.
PERFORMING - Low direction, and minimal support: the team is self-managing, self-motivating, and self-supporting.



http://projectavalon.net/four_stages.gif


*******

The Forming phase was over, and we entered what we quickly realized was the Storming phase with way too much confidence – certainly on my part. We were under tremendous pressure, and did not Storm well – which is essential if a team or a project is to get through the other side of all the difficulties and continue to expand.

http://projectavalon.net/FSNP.gif

When in the Storming phase, the pressures can be internal (domestic example: a couple have moved in with each other, and the heroine discovers that the hero snores, or that he never does the washing up) – or external (e.g. the heroine has to care for her elderly mother and must give up her job, so there’s now shared financial pressure which is causing conflict). In our case, the pressure was external – a very heavy multi-pronged psychic attack that happened soon after we had published this important clarification (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22102-AN-IMPORTANT-ANNOUNCEMENT-ABOUT-ATTICUS-and-THE-GROUP-OF-18) – compounded by internal responses on both sides that did not work well. [/QUOTE]

[Atlas]

Interesting thread, thank you.


[...] lets go defeat the illuminatti! ...
Personally, I believe the illuminati are like the scientologists, they seek the truth/the light. And like the Avalonians as well by the way even if we are already leading the way. ;)


[...] we can do a little better
Of course we can. :)

[donk]

P
Interesting thread, thank you.


[...] lets go defeat the illuminatti! ...
Personally, I believe the illuminati are like the scientologists, they seek the truth/the light. And like the Avalonians as well by the way even if we are already leading the way. ;)


[...] we can do a little better
Of course we can. :)

Wow.

I hope we can do a LOT better than the illumanati and scientologists in shedding light on truth for humanity

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Wow.

I hope we can do a LOT better than the illumanati and scientologists in shedding light on truth for humanity

Yep... Sounds like somebody needs to do a little more investigation into these groups. I doubt anyone will find any official Illuminati hang outs but there are schools were scientologists send their children to be brainwashed at a young age. Maybe buares can go try to interview the teachers there and see much love and light you can get out of them.

[Atlas]

[...] truth for humanity
Interesting concept.


Maybe buares can go try to interview the teachers there and see much love and light you can get out of them.
Thank you but I already have all the love and light I need. ;) also I am not one to even try to debunk "ideologies". :rolleyes:

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Project Avalon's Vision
What about ProjectAvalon.net 2020 ? :p

[Selkie]

Natalia, one thing I find strange. Many members seem unwilling to provide basic info: age, location, education, their field of endeavor, brief bio, et al.

At times I read a post and check this out before I respond to their post. Why? Because this information may be helpful for understanding them, the problem or viewpoint, helpful resources in their location. After all, much of what we seem to want in our society is more transparency.

Nevertheless, I am not aware of any member mentioning this. As Bill wrote,"Encourages respect and deep appreciation for the wide range of personalities and life experiences that the forum members bring to the 'party'.."

I wonder if members remember why they didn't want to reveal such information.
Well, one reason I can think of is the possibility of cyber-stalking.

Decisions about what to reveal, and/or when to reveal, will always be highly personal. Some people are just more private than others, and that, too, is a part of diversity :)