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hangel
26th March 2015, 14:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

wonder how it will unfold and what conclusions they would come up with..
was the second pilot muslim, jewish, christian, nazi, transsexual, gay etc.

What will be the outcry? What privacy we will have to give up to fly/travel by plane now?

What beeping x-ray gate, movement analysis camera, facial recognition hardware/software would they invent to prevent the 'manchurian candidate'?

Minority report implemented?

ordo ab chao,

FALSE FLAG STATUS
problem (done) reaction (brewing) solution (pending)

MorningFox
26th March 2015, 14:48
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France/

hangel
26th March 2015, 15:04
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France/

indeed! However only today it came up that the tragedy wasn't caused by computer faults or genuine mistake. Category of this sad incident had now been changed to deliberate action to destroy plane and everybody abroad.

MorningFox
26th March 2015, 15:08
Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

hangel
26th March 2015, 15:35
i thought that all members at this forum have right to start new post, especially if the subject is new/changed. i don't think there is anything in the membership conditions saying that only some members are privileged to start new threads... in your philosophy i suggest that you raise complain that all 9/11 post should start out of the same thread.

:banplease:

MorningFox
26th March 2015, 15:39
I never said anything about only some members being allowed to start new threads :crazy:

...but if we have a thread about a topic let's keep it all in there. What on earth is the point of splitting it up into two or more threads? It just makes reading the information more difficult.

:confused:

araucaria
26th March 2015, 15:43
i thought that all members at this forum have right to start new post, especially if the subject is new/changed. i don't think there is anything in the membership conditions saying that only some members are privileged to start new threads... in your philosophy i suggest that you raise complain that all 9/11 post should start out of the same thread.

:banplease:
I don't think anyone is contesting your rights as a member, hangel; simply your link was very much on topic in that other thread. In fact I posted something similar myself.

However, I would disagree, if I may, with the premise of your thread title: where is the false flag connection in that article? A false flag is an attack carried out by one nation or group masquerading as another. All we have here so far is a lone nut acting on his own behalf. The story may pan out into something else, but for the time being we are two nations or groups short of a false flag.

Bill Ryan
26th March 2015, 16:06
Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

Hey! Unnecessarily just a trifle sharp there. :)

Let's give members the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it's not clear where the lines are drawn between different (but connected/overlapping) threads — and often the mods merge threads when no members have asked them to. (Sometimes, we split them, too...)

:focus:

hangel
26th March 2015, 16:06
i wouldn't expect BBC will admit false flag, neither I'm saying that false flag conclusion came out of the article, for that in official media we would have to wait long time.

as for the threads: there are many threads on similar subject, yours wasn't on the home page 'live feed' i assumed it haste been raised today yet.

No need to disregard and disrespect anyone who dare to speak up, as for this is why this forum exist!

MorningFox
26th March 2015, 16:12
Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

Hey! Unnecessarily just a trifle sharp there. :)



hah, I'm afraid that is my way.

--

I come from a forum that keeps everything related in one thread, makes for easy reading and information collecting. I often want to go back to find a piece of information here and can't because there are multiple threads on the same topic, doesn't make much sense to me and can get confusing...

Anyway, not my place to try and change the format of the forum. I very much enjoy and appreciate it over all.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/focus.gif

araucaria
26th March 2015, 16:28
i wouldn't expect BBC will admit false flag, neither I'm saying that false flag conclusion came out of the article, for that in official media we would have to wait long time.

as for the threads: there are many threads on similar subject, yours wasn't on the home page 'live feed' i assumed it haste been raised today yet.

No need to disregard and disrespect anyone who dare to speak up, as for this is why this forum exist!
That's OK, no disrespect intended. It's just that it is not clear where this new thread is going. So who do you think is involved? Can you expand a little? Because I personally find that 'problem reaction solution' is becoming a bit of a mantra.

ThePythonicCow
26th March 2015, 17:00
I often want to go back to find a piece of information here and can't because there are multiple threads on the same topic, doesn't make much sense to me and can get confusing...
In a library (those old fashioned places with real books on paper) one will find both monographs (studies of a single specialized subject) and surveys and encyclopedias (wider ranging, more inclusive, presentations)

Each has their uses.

There are a variety of ways of organizing the multi-layered, multi-disciplined, and wide ranging material that a library, or now a forum, covers. All have their uses, and their limitations.

ThePythonicCow
26th March 2015, 17:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

wonder how it will unfold and what conclusions they would come up with..
I added the parenthetical "(the Germanwings plane crash; did the co-pilot intentionally crash it?)" to this thread's title. It's not a perfect lead in to the important questions you ask, but it's at least a little more specific than just "Another false flag".

If you, or someone else, has a potentially better idea, I'd welcome it.

MorningFox
26th March 2015, 17:07
In a library (those old fashioned places with real books on paper) one will find both monographs (studies of a single specialized subject) and surveys and encyclopedias (wider ranging, more inclusive, presentations)


Just because a library does something doesn't mean it's the most practical solution. We're in a digital age with the ability to improve the user experience. Copying an antiquated system doesn't hold much value for anyone.

Couldn't help but respond, seeing as I'm still being addressed. Back on topic now... :)

angelfire
26th March 2015, 19:40
I think this has all the hall marks of another Charlie Hebdo false flag. Days before the attack in Paris, Hollande had made the suggestion that Europe should consider ending sanctions against Russia when the time was right. I can't find the piece now (probably been erased) but a day or so before the plane crash, a German MP also spoke out about how sanctions were negatively affecting the whole of Europe.
There's a moral in there somewhere!!!!!

ThePythonicCow
26th March 2015, 20:23
Another report on this: Germanwings Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Appears to Have Deliberately Crashed Plane (Wall Street Journal) (http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-appears-to-have-deliberately-crashed-plane-1427373360):

==========



Andreas Lubitz was alone in the cockpit, breathing in silence, as his captain pounded on a locked door. Those chilling sounds—captured in a black-box recording—have left French investigators with little doubt that the crash that killed 150 people aboard Flight 9525 was a deliberate act.

Lead prosecutor Brice Robin said on Thursday he suspected Mr. Lubitz, the 27-year-old Germanwings co-pilot, locked the captain out of the cockpit, programmed the A320’s descent and slammed it into an alpine ridge at 400 miles an hour with a “willingness to destroy this aircraft.”

The black-box revelations jolted Europe and its vaunted aviation industry. The notion of a pilot intentionally crashing a commercial jet amounted to a nightmare scenario that Germanwings and its parent company Deutsche Lufthansa AG were straining to grasp.

“In our mind, what has happened was simply impossible,” said Lufthansa Chief Executive Carsten Spohr. The executive noted that Lufthansa, which boasts a world-class safety record, took pride in “being extremely picky in choosing its pilots.”

The turn of events also knocked European investigators off balance. While it remained too early to establish on what grounds the probe would proceed, Mr. Robin said the crash could no longer be regarded as a case of involuntary manslaughter.

==========

Hervé
26th March 2015, 20:45
The early assertion it was the co-pilot who remained in the cockpit needs to be... confirmed:


Germany's BILD newspaper published on its website details of the first report about the crash which it claims was submitted by the French to the German government after the disaster.

It states: 'Normal operating conditions for the French air traffic control. All technical systems were in normal operation.'

It corroborates earlier reports that contact with the pilots was lost at 10.31am, adding: 'Germanwings 4U9525 leaves its cruising altitude without informing French air traffic control and starts a descent at an average rate of decline observed by radar... of 3,500 feet per minute'.

Air traffic controllers attempted to establish 'wireless connection on the operating frequency which is not answered' by the cockpit, the report says.

Further attempts are made by radio contact on the international emergency frequency, but there was again no response.

At 10.35am, air traffic controllers 'raise the internationally standardized 'emergency level' (DETRESFA distress phase) and contacts the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service.'

One final and attempt is made to contact the pilots on the international emergency frequency a minute later, but that also fails.

The Germanwings flight disappeared from radar at 10.40am at an altitude of around 6,200ft, the report states.

Two minutes later - at 10.42am - air traffic control informs the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service about the loss of the radar target.

Two military helicopters are sent in the direction of the last known location, but are unable to detect the aircraft's emergency transmitter.

[...]

The cockpit recording showed the pilots speaking normally in German at the start of the flight, the source said, adding that it could not be determined if it was the captain or the first officer who left the cockpit.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80972-Germanwings-flight-4U9525-crash-in-Southern-France&p=946683&viewfull=1#post946683

Tesla_WTC_Solution
26th March 2015, 20:59
That chaos theorist from Jurassic Park would have a heck of a lot to say about this plane crash and everything that will happen to ppl because of it all.

n-mpifTiPV4

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Chaos_star.svg/130px-Chaos_star.svg.png


The Symbol of Chaos originates from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion stories. In them, the Symbol of Chaos comprises eight arrows in a radial pattern. In contrast, the symbol of Law is a single upright arrow. It is also called the Arms of Chaos, the Arrows of Chaos, the Chaos Star, the Chaos Cross, or the Symbol of Eight.

Moorcock has stated that he conceived this symbol while writing the first Elric of Melniboné stories in the early 1960s. It was subsequently adopted into the pop-cultural mainstream, turning up in such diverse places as modern occult traditions and role-playing games.

There are a number of traditional symbols that have the same geometrical pattern as Moorcock's symbol of Chaos, such as any of various eight-pointed stars (like this one from a Greek vase from the fifth century BCE), the star of Ishtar/Venus, the Eastern Dharmacakra and the Wheel of the Year, but none of these were symbols of chaos and their limbs are not arrows.

Furthermore, the '8' of Wands in Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot deck features prominently an eight-pointed star with arrows at the ends. Crowley described the card as representing "energy" scattering at "high velocity" that had managed to create the depicted eight-pointed figure. [1]



what
if.

?

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1112/atlas_cern_900.jpg


Moorcock says, about his version [2] —

The origin of the Chaos Symbol was me doodling sitting at the kitchen table and wondering what to tell Jim Cawthorn the arms of Chaos looked like. I drew a straightforward geographical quadrant (which often has arrows, too!) – N, S, E, W – and then added another four directions and that was that – eight arrows representing all possibilities, one arrow representing the single, certain road of Law. I have since been told that it is an "ancient symbol of Chaos" and if it is then it confirms a lot of theories about the race mind. ... As far as I know the symbol, drawn by Jim Cawthorn, first appeared on an Elric cover of Science Fantasy in 1962, then later appeared in his first comic version of Stormbringer done by Savoy [ISBN 0-7045-0226-7].

Tesla_WTC_Solution
26th March 2015, 23:02
a grieving nerd tribute to the fallen:
damn u CNN sensationalism, >.<

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2e1g0w9.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2j16a9k.jpg

im so meme :(

anyhow.

back to reality have they found the FDR yet?
not the CVR. the flight data recorder, has it been found?


CNN might be jumping to conclusions more than my porpoise cartoon... in fact


http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/25/nr-marsh-flight-data-recorder-images-damage.cnn


One of the flight data recorders on the doomed Germanwings plane is badly damaged, but may still hold valuable information according to French authorities.



the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder are not the same thing...
i am surprised the terms are being confused by cnn when in my former profession it was pretty clear that these boxes weren't the same deal

d'oh!


fdr:
http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/cvr_sidefront_lg.jpg?w=600&h=450

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/74178000/jpg/_74178463_flight_data_cockpit_voice_recorders_464.jpg


the devil is in the details :mad2:

p.s. nintendo is naughty, who wouldn't think of goldeneye 007:


Directions to the beginning are as follows:

Run to the right of the block that Alec was standing near. Run inbetween the
blocks in front of you, then go left and then another right. You should see the
narrow opening to this area here. Go through it. Head past the glowing statue
and up the hill behind the tank. We see Valentine's crate.

Go past this and up the hill through the small gap we went through before. Past
the grey crate now. Follow the brown path left and back up the giant hill.
Stay close to the fence after the second words statue.

Run over to the Helicopter and a proximity fuse triggers. Run away from the
chopper and Natalya will get up and follow. Stand near the edge of the slope
(at the top) and wait for it to blow. Bond then says he must find the Black Box
for the copter.

Go down the slope and search the rubble here for an orange box. It may take a
little while, or it might be easy. But it is always around the first little bit
of the level. Since it is orange, it is easy to see. (I thought a BLACK box
would be BLACK!)

Go up the hill after you have it and past the wreckage. Oh no! Russian Soldiers
here! Ignore them and go out the gate ahead of you to end the mission

Tangri
26th March 2015, 23:17
I never said anything about only some members being allowed to start new threads :crazy:

...but if we have a thread about a topic let's keep it all in there. What on earth is the point of splitting it up into two or more threads? It just makes reading the information more difficult.

:confused:

Subject can be same name but different approach and deserves another thread. I do not look any more Sandy Hook threads, even a new post added on it, If they use same picture or videos it can be merged.(with respect to MODs:o)

ghostrider
27th March 2015, 01:28
In the words of one of the great rock bands of Canada , Rush , all the world's a stage and we are merely players ... so much of our world is staged for fear , confusion and control ...

Tesla_WTC_Solution
27th March 2015, 07:26
I never said anything about only some members being allowed to start new threads :crazy:

...but if we have a thread about a topic let's keep it all in there. What on earth is the point of splitting it up into two or more threads? It just makes reading the information more difficult.

:confused:

Subject can be same name but different approach and deserves another thread. I do not look any more Sandy Hook threads, even a new post added on it, If they use same picture or videos it can be merged.(with respect to MODs:o)



*grr* *bash* *snarl*

*edit*


>.<

Operator
27th March 2015, 11:45
One purpose of a false flag could be to advocate now the remote overriding of the cockpit controls :eyebrows:

syrwong
27th March 2015, 12:02
The official investigation is blaming the incident on the copilot insanely committing suicide, taking hundreds of innocent lives with him. I find this very annoying for it has become a routinely acceptable explanation.
There are many ways to commit suicide. It is nonsensical to think that
1.Suicidal people are insane and have no regard for others.
Most people committing suicide are of their free choice and many are kind and empathic. Also most suicides are done when alone. Extremely rarely do they want to take the innocent with them.
2. Those who care for many by profession do not commit suicide this way. Before the artificial world of terrorism, can anyone give me an example of mass killing the innocent before killing self? In a suicide,
Does a bus driver like to veer off a cliff with a load of passengers?
Does a train driver like to crash his train at full speed to a dead end?
Does a security guard carrying a machine gun like to mow down everybody?
Does a chef poison all the restaurant people?
Does a school teacher slash the kids with a big knife?
I would rather believe the opposite is more routine, the suicidal person would make sure the people in his care are all safe before he feels ready to go, as in the case of a ship captain.

Sophocles
27th March 2015, 12:12
The fact that suicide was concluded with as early as it was, tells me there`s something fishy with this scenario (although one cannot quite rule out the possibility, the way I see it).

kemo
27th March 2015, 13:22
150 people are dead. Smashed on a mountain slope Including about 20 kids. And the armchair conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do than immediately start weaving into their own little tapestry of pet theories based on no hard information. Practically every damn incident these days gets labelled as a false flag of some sort. Makes me sick.

Sunny-side-up
27th March 2015, 13:50
150 people are dead. Smashed on a mountain slope Including about 20 kids. And the armchair conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do than immediately start weaving into their own little tapestry of pet theories based on no hard information. Practically every damn incident these days gets labelled as a false flag of some sort. Makes me sick.

unfortunately 'These are the days my friend'
And it has not been done in disrespect for lost lives but in attempts to put proper reason to them and make sure no one gets away with it behind the vale/scenes!

araucaria
27th March 2015, 14:54
150 people are dead. Smashed on a mountain slope Including about 20 kids. And the armchair conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do than immediately start weaving into their own little tapestry of pet theories based on no hard information. Practically every damn incident these days gets labelled as a false flag of some sort. Makes me sick.

unfortunately 'These are the days my friend'
And it has not been done in disrespect for lost lives but in attempts to put proper reason to them and make sure no one gets away with it behind the vale/scenes!
Who knows where this is all leading:

You also have mixed, neither true nor false flag scenarios such as those involving agent provocateurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur ), who may for instance infiltrate a peaceful demonstration in order to turn it violent. This I suppose would be the method used with drills that turn into the real thing. They might also include things like inciting young vandals to deface Jewish cemeteries. If such perpetrators were simply paid vandals just as others are paid killers, then no anti-Semitism need be the cause and only pro-Semitism would be the result.

When the unmasking of this process reaches a certain scale, that has a wider effect on our very perception of what we took for reality; when we see that nothing is as it seems, we begin to focus on the big picture instead of being attached to and obsessed with collecting tiny details. Once the big picture is recognized as being a sham, we no longer have time for true flag operations either, and can move on to something altogether different.

awakeningmom
27th March 2015, 15:41
150 people are dead. Smashed on a mountain slope Including about 20 kids. And the armchair conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do than immediately start weaving into their own little tapestry of pet theories based on no hard information. Practically every damn incident these days gets labelled as a false flag of some sort. Makes me sick.

Unfortunately, once you realize that 911 was a false flag, with 3000 plus people dead, it is hard to trust the mainstream media's and/or any politician's rendition of any tragic/traumatic event -- especially when the official story is delivered to the public so fast, without time for a proper investigation. There is no trust in the official narrative anymore, nor should there be. And questioning the official narrative is not disrespectful to the victims in my opinion. What is disrespectful is to allow a false narrative to continue, where those who are perpetuating these atrocities get to position themselves as heroes (e.g., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Giuliani) and laugh behind the scenes as the majority simply lap up their unsubstantiated and illogical versions of what really happened. I would think that the victims' families would rather know the truth. I know I would.

Slorri
27th March 2015, 15:52
If we take a look at the two photos they have released of "the" voice recorder we realize that it is not possibly from this crash.
The steel part have old rust on it. Okey, so it might have rusted during the years it was mounted in the plane.
The aluminium parts have no new damages to it.

Whatever it was that beat up this recorder, it was done many years ago.

Maybe they didn't feel like showing us the real recorder? At any rate, they have no credibility.

Investigators Release Photos of Battered 'Black Box' (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/german-plane-crash/battered-black-box-n329831)

Carmody
27th March 2015, 16:20
In the words of one of the great rock bands of Canada , Rush , all the world's a stage and we are merely players ... so much of our world is staged for fear , confusion and control ...

Shakespeare: "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages."

As for conspiracies, the first one began somewhere around the time when two male apes lusted after the same female.

And it's evolved into a well honed manipulation tactic over the past thousands of years. Ie, it rose around the time intelligence in the humanoid evolved into being. Some say before, as humanity is not a "natural' race, per se.

Julian
28th March 2015, 16:14
Two good articles on the Germanwings crash.

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/the-official-story-of-the-germanwings-a320-crash-is-bogus/#comments

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/germanwings-a320-crash-hollande-says-fdr-memory-card-missing/#more-33816

Combining these observations and the rush by the MSM to demonize the copilot and obscure the missing data card I'd say we have a deliberate false flag. The motive would appear to be sending a chilling message to Germany and France about possible defections from the US position regarding Ukraine specifically and relations with Russia generally.

Rubbing out the Boze Hamilton agent who we an assume was deemed unreliable was the immediate "green light" circumstance they needed.

The CERN connection is interesting but on reflection there are too many disparate pieces that would have to come together.

http://dutchsinse.com/3242015-cern-magnet-short-circuits-today-operations-now-postponed/

cuitlahuac
28th March 2015, 17:18
Copilot was taking psychiatric medication. Was Prozac, Paxil, Luvox, Celesta involved?

http://www.whale.to/drugs/149540_202497479890738_722244502_n.jpg

Quote:
# Police said they have found evidence of mental illness, but no suicide note at flat he is said to share with girlfriend
# Chemist close to his home confirms he regularly picked up medication but cannot confirm what it was to treat

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Germanwings-pilot-slipped-safety-net-devastating-consequences.html

Julian
28th March 2015, 21:11
Veterans Today has two interesting articles about this event.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/27/350535/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/28/who-was-on-the-plane/

cuitlahuac
28th March 2015, 22:58
This is worth verifying.

Both the Psychiatric drugs and the "crew able to open the plane door" with a digital key, are very important points in here. The veracity of psychiatric drugs creating suicidal ideation is a fact.

The statement that the door could be opened by the crew from outside the cockpit with a digital key, need verification as well as the satellite phones to ask NORAD to take control of the plane and land it.

If these latter are true, then the fact of a false flag is demonstrated unquestionablly.


By Gordon Duff and Jeff Smith, Editors

In all likelihood, the cabin crew of the ill fated GermanWings flight could simply have entered the cockpit at any time. If the plane were programmed specially to disallow this normal capability of the Airbus320 series, the airline has failed to inform the public of this.

This information is “confidential” as it would be a theoretical aid to hijackers. Problem is, there are no hijackers, only security agencies that seem to enjoy stealing planes, shooting them down or taking control of their guidance systems. The hijack scenario makes for good TV and convenient cover stories where “dead men tell no tales” and crash scenes are always quickly secured and “seeded” as needed.

Our suicide story is just a new twist on an old tale.

In order to add to the explosion of information about the recent air event over France, we have done some simple research on the operation of the cockpit door of an A320. We have published, below, the operations manual. We also have the following language, taken from the flight crew manual used by Royal Jordanian Airlines, an organization kind enough to have passed this on:

Ident.: DSC-25-11-10-00001006.0001001 / 09 OCT 12
Applicable to: MSN 2649-3685, 4670-5367

A forward-opening hinge door separates the cockpit from the passenger compartment. It has three electric locking strikes, controlled by the flight crew. In normal conditions, when the door is closed, they remain locked. When there is a request to enter the cockpit, the flight crew can authorize entry by unlocking the door, that remains closed until it is pushed open.
When the flight crew does not respond to requests for entry, the door can also be unlocked by the cabin crew, by entering a two to seven-digit code (programmed by the airline) on the keypad, installed on the lateral side of the Forward Attendant Panel (FAP).

Scribd Server Hacked and Crashed

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/27/350535/

Morbid
29th March 2015, 01:12
i personally think that this false flag has been some sort of payback to european countries (most of which share alps by the way) for joining asian infrastructure investment bank.

Snookie
29th March 2015, 16:13
Strangely something very similar to this happened last November sans the "suicidal" pilot.

Incident: Lufthansa A321 near Bilbao on Nov 5th 2014, loss of 4000 feet of altitude

http://avherald.com/h?article=47d74074

We need to seriously consider that this was caused due to an autopilot programming defect.

Really easy to blame the co pilot after the fact isn't it? I don't buy that the only thing that could be heard was the co pilot "breathing". What about the warnings that MUST have been going off to beat the band as the plane was heading straight into the mountain?

Rozzy
31st March 2015, 03:50
This crash and the scenario being put forth does not seem likely, like so many of the other air incidents of late they all raise questions due to the hokey explanations for these horrific events.

cuitlahuac
31st March 2015, 23:08
Discarding False Flags in these times of full intel world war III would be silly.


UPDATE: Cockpit lock out story is a LIE. The manual override that keeps the cockpit door locked only lasts 5 minutes, per TV reports. That would leave 3 to 5 minutes to storm the cockpit and take at least some evasive or corrective action.


A COMPLETELY ALONE Italian fighter jet issued a mayday call one minute before this Airbus went into it's descent while in view of it, and then returned to base. This is documented, but the reason for the mayday call has never been published, and I know why:

Because "SEVERAL" French fighter jets were in the area, on the edge of where this Italian fighter jet was allowed to go, taking over this airbus the second it entered French airspace, AND FOLLOWED IT ALL THE WAY TO THE CRASH SCENE. The Italian turned around after witnessing the remote takeover because he was not authorized to go into French airspace. How do we know this in irrefutable terms? Because witnesses on the ground saw these French fighter jets following this airbus all the way up until it crashed, and after the crash was a confirmed reality THEY BUGGED OUT RATHER THAN STAY AROUND AND ASSESS THE SITUATION.

The fact that these fighter jets got expunged from the ziopress SAYS IT ALL, but the Ziopress did the cleanup too late, people got screenshots of the news reports both before and after this, and these screenshots are below, on this page.


I think the plane was hacked. Brought down. A poison gas canister attached to the air system and triggered by the "seat belts" signal when the plane reached altitude. And exactly 30 minutes later, the engines were shut down. Either by programming or by remote control. And the computer flies the plane perfectly, like a glider in an 8 minute descent, right into an Alp.

I think looking at the passenger list could be very informative. This looks like a hit. A major hit, at the level of nation-states or the largest criminal cartels. Or a worldwide group of fanatics. So, who was on this flight?

Don't expect an honest answer. There are no honest governments."

http://82.221.129.208/a320crash.html

http://82.221.129.208/frenchowl.jpg

Cardillac
1st April 2015, 14:57
finally!- I knew it wouldn't take long until Farrell addressed this issue-

according to the newest reports in German MSM they 'found' (source of finding was not stated) a 'shaky' video filming the the last seconds of people banging on the cockpit door (give us a break) to allow the pilot/flight attendants access to the barred cockpit; according to German MSM an indestructible black box was 'damaged' but a fragile video remained completely intact?!-

anyway, here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXc7W2mQTUg

please be well all-

Larry in Germany

Hervé
1st April 2015, 15:40
Yep! People do dream up that kind of things, from SOTT.net (http://www.sott.net/article/294595-Major-media-outlets-claim-video-of-Germanwings-flights-last-moments-verifies-official-crash-theory-100-French-investigators-say-no-such-video-exists):

Major media outlets claim video of Germanwings flight's last moments verifies official crash theory 100% - French investigators say no such video exists (http://rt.com/news/245797-germanwings-plane-crash-video/)

RT (http://rt.com/news/245797-germanwings-plane-crash-video/)
Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:06 UTC


http://www.sott.net/image/s11/237311/medium/Bild_Lubitz.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s11/237311/full/Bild_Lubitz.jpg)
Bat**** crazy conspiracy rag passing for 'news'


Screams of "My God," metallic banging and the cabin jolting to one side - the final moments of the doomed jet were said to have been captured on video, which several newspapers said they watched. However, French prosecutors say it's a hoax.

German Das Bild newspaper and French Paris Match magazine say they managed to watch the video, found among the wreckage, of the final moments of flight 4U9525 before the tragedy.

However, the outlets didn't post the actual video on their websites.

The phone memory card managed to survive the collision with the mountain, say the outlets, claiming it was found at the site by the investigators.

Das Bild claim the authenticity of the footage is "unquestionable," though the scene on board was "chaotic, totally blurred and no individuals can be identified."

The footage is allegedly filled with audible screams of the passengers, who were apparently aware of the dangerous situation. The cry "My God" can be heard in several languages, the German newspaper claims.

The report also claimed the video seems to confirm an earlier released black box audio recording of the flight's last minutes, when the captain of the plane was trying to break into the cockpit.
SOTT Comment: (http://www.sott.net/article/294595-Major-media-outlets-claim-video-of-Germanwings-flights-last-moments-verifies-official-crash-theory-100-French-investigators-say-no-such-video-exists)
...that should be "allegedly trying to break into the cockpit." There is as yet ZERO evidence that such a scenario took place. There are three distinct metallic sounding strikes reportedly heard on the footage. According to Das Bild and Paris Match this could be the plane's captain, Patrick Sondheimer, trying to smash down the door with what sounds like a heavy object. The strikes could be heard until the very end of the video, add the news outlets.

The last seconds of the video allegedly show the jet crashing into the mountain. Das Bild and Paris Match say they heard people cry and saw the cabin blown out on one side - and then silence.

However, Lieutenant Colonel Jean-Marc Menichini, a French Gendarmerie spokesman in charge of the rescue efforts' communications at the crash site, told CNN the video is a hoax.

The reports by German and French news outlets were "completely wrong" and "unwarranted," he said, adding that phones were collected, but they "hadn't been examined yet."

According to Menichini, all phones found at the scene of the tragedy will be sent to the Criminal Research Institute in Rosny sous-Bois, near Paris, for investigation. However, so far none have been dispatched, he added.

He doubted that any memory card could have been leaked to the media.

Das Bild, which still maintains the footage is authentic, asked an expert how the video on the cell phone could manage to survive such a catastrophic crash.
SOTT (http://www.sott.net/article/294595-Major-media-outlets-claim-video-of-Germanwings-flights-last-moments-verifies-official-crash-theory-100-French-investigators-say-no-such-video-exists)Comment: (http://www.sott.net/article/294595-Major-media-outlets-claim-video-of-Germanwings-flights-last-moments-verifies-official-crash-theory-100-French-investigators-say-no-such-video-exists)
No, this is not an April Fools' joke, although you will be excused for thinking we're all now inhabiting some planetary Twilight Zone. Das Bild and Paris Match really did make these claims. There is obviously no video showing the things these presstitutes claim it shows, otherwise they'd be ensuring the video's maximum public dissemination.

In perpetuating this conspiracy theory about the co-pilot deliberately crashing the Germanwings plane, Das Bild, Europe's largest publication and most-read news source, has completely broken from reality, and is clearly determined to pull as many people into its schizophrenic orbit as possible.

All we can say is that something really, really strange must have happened to that plane for the Powers That Be to pursue such a risky strategy of spreading lies that are so blatant, French prosecutors are immediately calling them out.


See also:
Germanwings crash: Not the full story? (http://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story)

Friends of Germanwings crash pilot say he is being framed by Lufthansa to cover-up mechanical failings (http://www.sott.net/article/294544-Friends-of-Germanwings-crash-pilot-say-he-is-being-framed-by-Lufthansa-to-cover-up-mechanical-failings)

From found to damaged to lost: Lufthansa now says flight data recorder on Germanwings Flight 9525 'may never be found' (http://www.sott.net/article/294543-From-found-to-damaged-to-lost-Lufthansa-now-says-flight-data-recorder-on-Germanwings-Flight-9525-may-never-be-found)


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PS: Me think some studio, somewhere is currently very busy producing the video...

meeradas
1st April 2015, 16:15
... the German newspaper claims.

OT, but...:

BILD is filled with "claims" only; always, since it came into being.
It is known that it NEVER contains facts. It has zero credibility.

Yet, it is still the biggest newspaper in .de, and thus heavily influences "public opinion".

In fact, it is a dangerous psychotoxin.

But, since people in .de are awakening to this, triggered exactly through the "coverage" of the germanwings story,
more and more newspaper outlets are refusing to sell BILD [boycotts seem to be spreading fast at this time].

awakeningmom
1st April 2015, 16:15
I'm just as fascinated by this airline disaster as the next so-called "conspiracy theorist," but it makes me wonder what's really going on? What's the larger picture we are all ignoring, while we are busy trying to solve these obvious plane crashes/terrorist hoaxes? It seems the mainstream audience just swallows the increasingly absurd tidbits of the various official narratives whole, while those of us who think we know better are busy trying to debunk them all. From the two Malaysian crashes/missing planes to Charlie Hebdo and the Canadian false flag, it seems we too are being masterfully played -- and given intentionally sloppy hoaxes/false flags to keep us occupied. Our bread and circus tastes might not be satisfied by the Kardashians, but it seems "they" have figured out how to keep us largely distracted from something bigger nonetheless. Yes, I do see some value in trying to debunk the official narratives, even if only to try to keep them on their toes, but while one part of my brain is eating up these various theories of what might have really happened, another part of my brain is insisting: it's ALL a distraction. So what is it we are all being lead away FROM?

Rocky_Shorz
1st April 2015, 16:59
why did Obama refuse to meet with the NATO commander after the crash?

a false flag has a reason, there was none, so the op is still way off until you can show me a shred of evidence showing someone was being blackmailed or persuaded by this crash...

Maybe that's why Obama's administration immediately said this was not terrorism to shut down the false flag being created by Cheney over at CIA headquarters.

Maybe there is truth that investigators were looking into Mossads front company, and this was to make them stop...

many unknowns still involved with this crash.

Mari
1st April 2015, 21:19
I'm just as fascinated by this airline disaster as the next so-called "conspiracy theorist," but it makes me wonder what's really going on? What's the larger picture we are all ignoring, while we are busy trying to solve these obvious plane crashes/terrorist hoaxes? It seems the mainstream audience just swallows the increasingly absurd tidbits of the various official narratives whole, while those of us who think we know better are busy trying to debunk them all. From the two Malaysian crashes/missing planes to Charlie Hebdo and the Canadian false flag, it seems we too are being masterfully played -- and given intentionally sloppy hoaxes/false flags to keep us occupied. Our bread and circus tastes might not be satisfied by the Kardashians, but it seems "they" have figured out how to keep us largely distracted from something bigger nonetheless. Yes, I do see some value in trying to debunk the official narratives, even if only to try to keep them on their toes, but while one part of my brain is eating up these various theories of what might have really happened, another part of my brain is insisting: it's ALL a distraction. So what is it we are all being lead away FROM?

Very interesting theories here, but I feel you are right - we ARE being distracted. Its anyone's guess, as there is so much 'awakening' going on around the world; collectively & individually, that the PTB are having a hard time in trying to suppress it all. It's all about control. The waking-up of the human race is happening at an unprecedented rate & they are throwing everything they can at us now, in order to halt the tidal - wave of truth coming out. The plane crashes & disappearances, among many such 'circuses', & the reporting (verging on the orgasmic) of the stories, are there primarily to instil fear & thus keep us in a low vibratory state.
If we are in fear, dread, anger, despair & in 'survival mode' for example, then we are dead easy to control - & 'control' of the human race is exactly what it's been all about for a very very long time. This is my personal take, but it feels so true for me.

Morbid
2nd April 2015, 01:36
the more of these things happening the less I tend to search for details. collectively this sort of confirms the doubts I had and solidifies the abstract thinking..