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arwen
29th March 2015, 14:06
Back in the more innocent days of 1994, before the awareness level of the most awake beings on this planet had come to realise the extent of evil controlling this planet, James Redfield wrote a novel entitled “The Celestine Prophecy”, which outlined some spiritual insights that were very empowering.

He described, among other things, the need to work on clearing ourselves of past baggage, and for me, the most important part of this lovely little book was his description in the Fourth Insight, of how we all struggle for power, and how this is done by acting out control dramas. I find the data about the control dramas to be particularly valuable in these current troubled times.

The basic premise of the Fourth Insight is that we as beings compete for energy, mostly unconsciously, as we feel weak and insecure within ourselves, and thus we need to steal anothers’ energy to in order to feel better within ourselves.

In the Sixth insight, the mechanisms of the control dramas are outlined, and in summary, these are:

1) Aloof – where a person withdraws and becomes mysterious and secretive, which gets energy fed their way as others get pulled in trying to figure out what is going on with them;

2) Interrogator – where a person constantly asks questions of others, and then criticises the answers, thus draining them of their energy as they constantly have to feel “on guard” and self-conscious around the Interrogator, making sure they do not do or say something that might invoke another round of criticism, which feeds the Interrogator energy;

3) Intimidator – This is where a person is threatening, and others are fearful and pay attention to this person, feeding them energy by again, always being on guard watching them so as to avoid invoking physical or verbal abuse;

4) Poor Me – Where a person is always telling you about all the terrible things that have or are happening to them, making you responsible for it, and thus draining your energy and feeding them.

(Summary from Redfield, J. 1994. The Celestine Prophecy. London: Bantam. pp. 143-153).

Since 1994, and the advent of the alternative media through the Internet, with the forming of virtual global groups, we have seen these dramas playing out even in the so called “enlightened” truth and spiritual communities.

I would, from observation, add another control drama to the basic four described above, and I call that one, the “Celebrity” drama – as there is no better way than getting the attention and energy of others than through becoming a Celebrity. In the old paradigm mainstream, only those vetted by the Establishment, and willing to sell their souls for fame made it to the Cult of Celebrity. However, with the Internet, the way has been opened for anyone to become a public figure in the alternative community, and the choice of who becomes a Celebrity is now made by the people rather than the Controlled Establishment. This is a good thing.

However. While there are many sincere truth tellers and spiritual awakeners and healers now with a platform previously denied, there is still the tendency for those seeking the energy of others to manipulate this to gain the power they crave, and so we have a plethora of people coming forward with amazing stories, who are not necessarily driven by pure intent, but rather by the need for this attention. My observation. Our own intuition can usually tell us best who are the sincere people, and who are the attention/energy seekers.

As an extension to this, our Controllers know us very well, and they know that when they succeed in getting us to disconnect from our own inner knowing and spiritual power, we become open to the need to belong, to be part of a group, and to follow the Pied Pipers who give us that feeling of belonging.

This is, in my view, such an illusion, a real magick trick, since we all are from the same Source anyway, that there can be no “in” people, and “out” people (people excluded from a group). There is a fabulous essay entitled “Transcending Tribal Mentality” which speaks to this final aspect of my thoughts here, and I quote from this article:


“All of us are born into a "tribal mentality" of various forms. These include our family unit, religious background, country of origin, ethnicity, etc. The tribal mentality effectively indoctrinates an individual into the tribe's beliefs, ensuring that all believe the same. The structure of reality – what is and is not possible for the members of the group – is thus agreed upon and maintained by the tribe.

While the tribal mentality has definite benefits in terms of establishing common ground and ensuring group survival, it is not a conscious agreement. We are born into it. Yet at a certain stage, both personally and collectively, the tribal mentality must be challenged. People can then begin to recognize the need for a personal honor code independent of the tribe. If humanity is to progress, we need to learn how to treat everyone – regardless of tribal affiliation – with honor and respect….

… Every one of us is plugged into the tribal mind. We support tribal belief patterns by directing a percentage of our life force into maintaining our affiliation with the tribe. This involves an implicit agreement to think like the tribe thinks, to evaluate situations and people the way the tribe does, and to believe in right and wrong according to tribal values and ambitions. As long as the tribal mentality within us remains unexamined, we unwittingly subject others to our tribal laws.”

Full article here (http://www.wanttoknow.info/inspiration/transcending_tribal_mentality) (and highly recommended).

In conclusion, there are two components to the struggle for energy (said struggle being unnecessary, since we all have access to infinite energy all the time) – the individuals’ need to steal energy from others using Control Dramas, and the Groups’ need to monopolize energy and control others through the mechanisms of inclusion and exclusion, peer pressure to conform, and determining that certain people are not “fit” to be part of their group.

A group that excludes people is stealing the energy of those people so excluded, by making them feel inadequate and rejected, and their attention is thus given in a negative manner to the group that rejected them. Of course, if the person so rejected is in good spiritual shape, they will not be affected by that exclusion, since they do not need the energy of the group in the first place, and all the group has done in that case is deprive itself of a valuable member who could have contributed to the group. A group that rejects such a person can then be presumed to not be a healthy group itself.

If someone is acting in a destructive manner, a truly evolved society would provide counselling to that person, maybe temporarily excluding them to prevent destruction of the group, but engaging them in another venue to assist them heal from their issues if they choose. The Control Dramas also play out within groups as well, of course, and dramatically leaving groups is another form of grasping for energy.

If we truly are to create a better civilization, we need to address both of those aspects and develop more evolved mechanisms to deal with individuals and groups who steal energy, and to heal them from this unnecessary compulsion.

My opinion, FWIW. :)

Arwen

arwen
29th March 2015, 14:58
Synchronistically, I just came across this video clip, and it feels as though it complements the OP.

Terrence McKenna on trusting your own intuition/gut feel:

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grannyfranny100
29th March 2015, 15:00
And what a well thought out and presented opinion. Thank you!

The idea of control dramas is one I have little patience with. We use to call them drama queens but online it seems that many men use this technique. Do you think this might be because they can't be seen and don't show vulnerability in their daily lives?

sirdipswitch
29th March 2015, 15:02
Innocence of 1994???

My Innocence ended... November 22, 1963...:wizard:

arwen
29th March 2015, 15:16
And what a well thought out and presented opinion. Thank you!

The idea of control dramas is one I have little patience with. We use to call them drama queens but online it seems that many men use this technique. Do you think this might be because they can't be seen and don't show vulnerability in their daily lives?

Thank you grannyfranny. :) And indeed, the drama queen syndrome is by no means exclusive to females. It is a human (and even "ET") syndrome, in my view. As for speculating on why males do it it.....hmmmm, well, that is certainly a possibility, but I would love to hear from some beings in male identity form on that, as my own view is currently, in this lifespan, defined by the feminine, so I cannot really speak for them.

arwen
29th March 2015, 15:22
Innocence of 1994???

My Innocence ended... November 22, 1963...:wizard:

Sorry to hear that, sirdipswitch. I was speaking generically, though. Back in 1994, it was not as common in the alternative media to hear about ritual child abuse, the role of the banksters in controlling the planet, "archons", implants, the "Illuminati", and all of the other evils that have now become pretty common knowledge in the awake community. That was a time when only a very small minority were speaking about it, while now, articles and videos from multiple sources on these issues are prevalent. At that time, the meme of "love and light" which fiercely pushed away any mention of evil as "being negative" was still the dominant attitude. That is what I meant, hope that clarifies.

Matt P
29th March 2015, 15:43
Perhaps you misunderstood the comment arwen? November 22, 1963 was the day Kennedy was murdered.

Celestine Prophesy is one of my favorite books, and one of the first books that found me when I began awakening when I was younger. I just gave a copy to my son (18) for Christmas and he has also loved it.

Matt

arwen
29th March 2015, 16:02
Perhaps you misunderstood the comment arwen? November 22, 1963 was the day Kennedy was murdered.

Celestine Prophesy is one of my favorite books, and one of the first books that found me when I began awakening when I was younger. I just gave a copy to my son (18) for Christmas and he has also loved it.

Matt

Thanks Matt. I did miss that, so thank you for clarifying and my apologies, as that particular event horizon date is not as ingrained into the South African consciousness as much as it is for people in the West. Our reference frames tend to be defined by the apart-hate/neo apart-hate narrative. South Africa lost its innocence in 1488, and Africa as a whole, long before that.

Mark
29th March 2015, 16:06
The Celebrity control drama, now accessible to more by way of the Internet as you state, as another area of energy concentration, channels the same intent of those who sought such power in earlier decades, before the advent of this form of mass communication. The same inner drive, based upon fear and control, determines its expression, preordained by its very nature.

I would put forth the idea that, perhaps, certain rituals are not necessary to access this drive toward materially-based transcendent self-expression. It is, rather, a growth trap in the journey toward self-knowledge. It happens the same way no matter the culture or nationality, the year or millennia. After untold time frames of collective evolution, these stereotypes have taken on a life of their own in the human consciousness and, by tapping into different realms of energy, people take on these characteristics according to their individuated needs.

Depending on their psychological and physiological distance from psychopathy or empathy, their path and personal expression is thereby determined.

LAB
29th March 2015, 18:26
Could 'celebrity' dramas, simply be one of the main four, but by proxy?

Natalia
29th March 2015, 18:43
People can be mixed up...both genuine and sincere, giving from the heart, living their purpose, but also having wounds and weaknesses, and at times needing of love (in whatever form) and/or feeling/being lost...People can go through crisis and can come here for help (even if, at the time, they are not consciously aware of it). This is not wrong, it's just survival.

So, some people are here genuinely sharing their gifts, making some positive difference, and also are a bit messed up and can also have a negative effect sometimes.

Quite a few people here at PA, I see/feel are like this...they can suffer from depression, anxiety, loneliness, painful emotions, etc...some people do not understand this very well and loose trust in the person...some people are just not matches...best to not take it personal...and good to have friends and be grateful for that.

We all have room for growth and healing, true :)

There are those who are "messed up" but are not here to deceive...I believe that is most members of Avalon...but there are sometimes things to be wary of...

There is the right kind of help at the right time, by people you trust...part of our humanity is to help people and help ourselves...and yes, so important to listen to our intuition, we can, of course, not help everyone, or be loved and trusted by everyone.

There will always be kindness on this forum, and that's by most people, but not all the time.

arwen
29th March 2015, 22:19
Could 'celebrity' dramas, simply be one of the main four, but by proxy?

Yes, they are usually a mixture of them though. I added that one after watching these dramas play out in various parts of the Internet for years. Our society - and especially Western Society - in my view, is programmed into the "Cult of Celebrity" where "stars" are literally worshipped. That is very different from genuine respect. The worship usually entails a mass construction of the celebrity involved, and as we often see, especially in Hollywood, celebrities are often built up to be broken down - a form of mass ritual sacrifice, where the former worshippers then feed on the energy of destroying their former idol. This is all manipulated, and I see the way out of that as being to look at ourselves and our own dramas, rather than projecting onto Celebrity constructs, be they deliberately provided by the Establishment, or self-constructed by those craving attention, and ultimately, love. Or power and domination over others.

I also see this in the "Ad Hominem" fallacy, where people attack the people presenting data, rather than objectively evaluating the data. This is why character assassination of genuine people is often so successful, and slime/smear campaigns are the favourite tools of the Establishment when they want to discredit someone who gets too close to the truth.

Bluegreen
29th March 2015, 22:22
And what a well thought out and presented opinion. Thank you!

The idea of control dramas is one I have little patience with. We use to call them drama queens but online it seems that many men use this technique. Do you think this might be because they can't be seen and don't show vulnerability in their daily lives?

Thank you grannyfranny. :) And indeed, the drama queen syndrome is by no means exclusive to females. It is a human (and even "ET") syndrome, in my view. As for speculating on why males do it it.....hmmmm, well, that is certainly a possibility, but I would love to hear from some beings in male identity form on that, as my own view is currently, in this lifespan, defined by the feminine, so I cannot really speak for them.
We can go blow for blow in the drama queen department with any female on the planet, believe it
But we have other names for it
I call it the cock-a-doodle-doo syndrome

arwen
29th March 2015, 22:31
People can be mixed up...both genuine and sincere, giving from the heart, living their purpose, but also having wounds and weaknesses, and at times needing of love (in whatever form) and/or feeling/being lost...People can go through crisis and can come here for help (even if, at the time, they are not consciously aware of it). This is not wrong, it's just survival.

So, some people are here genuinely sharing their gifts, making some positive difference, and also are a bit messed up and can also have a negative effect sometimes.

Quite a few people here at PA, I see/feel are like this...they can suffer from depression, anxiety, loneliness, painful emotions, etc...some people do not understand this very well and loose trust in the person...some people are just not matches...best to not take it personal...and good to have friends and be grateful for that.

We all have room for growth and healing, true :)

There are those who are "messed up" but are not here to deceive...I believe that is most members of Avalon...but there are sometimes things to be wary of...

There is the right kind of help at the right time, by people you trust...part of our humanity is to help people and help ourselves...and yes, so important to listen to our intuition, we can, of course, not help everyone, or be loved and trusted by everyone.

There will always be kindness on this forum, and that's by most people, but not all the time.

Completely agree, Natalia. Not one of us is perfect, and we all have our "off" times. But there are some who display "off" behaviour chronically, and that is when I see James Redfield's model as applying. For me, the litmus test of a person's intentions is my own intuition of whether their kindness is genuine, or faked, and also the energy that comes through their communications - some are just plain mean-spirited, and one can feel it.

So the Redfield model (plus my addition) is not meant to be a criticism, especially of Avalon - I have not spent enough time here yet to really assess that, but so far, here I have mostly seen people of real quality, highly intelligent and aware, and with good hearts and honesty, which is really refreshing. If there have been energy dramas here, I have not seen many of them. I was expressing my musings very generically, after years of following and participating in many very different groups, forums and social media platforms on the Internet.

I am truly grateful for the Internet, as it has given me insight into far, far more than I would ever have been exposed to, stuck here in South Africa, which has a VERY narrow and closed mind-set, and it has been utterly liberating to find and connect up with like-minded people around the world, which I have not been able to do in my own country.

:)

LAB
29th March 2015, 22:45
Could 'celebrity' dramas, simply be one of the main four, but by proxy?

Yes, they are usually a mixture of them though....

I also see this in the "Ad Hominem" fallacy, where people attack the people presenting data, rather than objectively evaluating the data. This is why character assassination of genuine people is often so successful, and slime/smear campaigns are the favourite tools of the Establishment when they want to discredit someone who gets too close to the truth.

I couldn't agree more. Its a very insightful book, awful fiction, but the author knew a thing or two. I particularly liked how one's energy can be consciously used in a defensive or supportive fashion. The ability to instantly 'see' the entire history of a scenario, is pretty cool too.

Wind
30th March 2015, 07:29
This is a good and very important topic. In our culture the tribal mentality is very pervasive indeed and there is always someone else to look up to (the ultimate versions for that worship would be Jesus or Allah etc), but we should realize that we ourselves have that power to be great. Of course I too highly respect some individuals and beings, but I try not to put anyone on a pedestal.

We should aknowledge our weaknesses and gifts. The unbalanaced human ego is always focused on itself. Of course as individuals we can only observe this world subjectively, but we should also understand that we are not the little me (or the pompous one). We are magnificent beings experiencing life as humans right now. I'm also talking to myself here since I'm someone who doubts himself very often and I've certainly haven't had it easy, but why should I see myself as unworthy, just because the ego always thinks that it's worse or better than others? It always has to compare itself to others in order to justify it's silly existence!

We are indeed here to learn and we are supposed to let go off all the "accumulated" stuff from past which hinders us, but ultimately we will meet our true self which is free from all the baggage. It might take (life)time(s), but then again time is relative and not something we should worry about. All that matters is how we choose to view ourselves and this world right now. There only ever is the powerful moment of now.

The real you is not a puppet which life pushes around; the real, deep down you is the whole universe. ~ Alan Watts

Natalia
30th March 2015, 16:18
People can be mixed up...both genuine and sincere, giving from the heart, living their purpose, but also having wounds and weaknesses, and at times needing of love (in whatever form) and/or feeling/being lost...People can go through crisis and can come here for help (even if, at the time, they are not consciously aware of it). This is not wrong, it's just survival.

So, some people are here genuinely sharing their gifts, making some positive difference, and also are a bit messed up and can also have a negative effect sometimes.

Quite a few people here at PA, I see/feel are like this...they can suffer from depression, anxiety, loneliness, painful emotions, etc...some people do not understand this very well and loose trust in the person...some people are just not matches...best to not take it personal...and good to have friends and be grateful for that.

We all have room for growth and healing, true :)

There are those who are "messed up" but are not here to deceive...I believe that is most members of Avalon...but there are sometimes things to be wary of...

There is the right kind of help at the right time, by people you trust...part of our humanity is to help people and help ourselves...and yes, so important to listen to our intuition, we can, of course, not help everyone, or be loved and trusted by everyone.

There will always be kindness on this forum, and that's by most people, but not all the time.

Completely agree, Natalia. Not one of us is perfect, and we all have our "off" times. But there are some who display "off" behaviour chronically, and that is when I see James Redfield's model as applying. For me, the litmus test of a person's intentions is my own intuition of whether their kindness is genuine, or faked, and also the energy that comes through their communications - some are just plain mean-spirited, and one can feel it.

So the Redfield model (plus my addition) is not meant to be a criticism, especially of Avalon - I have not spent enough time here yet to really assess that, but so far, here I have mostly seen people of real quality, highly intelligent and aware, and with good hearts and honesty, which is really refreshing. If there have been energy dramas here, I have not seen many of them. I was expressing my musings very generically, after years of following and participating in many very different groups, forums and social media platforms on the Internet.

I am truly grateful for the Internet, as it has given me insight into far, far more than I would ever have been exposed to, stuck here in South Africa, which has a VERY narrow and closed mind-set, and it has been utterly liberating to find and connect up with like-minded people around the world, which I have not been able to do in my own country.

:)

Yes, I know what you mean, arwen, and I liked (and thanked) your post because I could feel the compassion behind it and the way that you wrote it with a caring consideration.