CIA Secret Experiments... mind control, drugs, honey traps, Manchurian candidates etc... All perfected during the Cold War

[Cidersomerset]

After WW11 the allies found how the NAZI's were experimenting on mind control and
other techniques. The US , UK and Canada jointly conducted experiments on their
military and civilian populations and simulated mass chemical attacks. This may of
started off as national defence in a climate of international paranoia, but developed
into much more sinister programmes and agendas that is the basis of intelligence
and black op operations today. Frank Olson like James Forrestal and others
were 'suicided' by pushing out of windows, this documentary introduces us to all
these documented clandestine experiments , and is good but its obvious much
more was going on and by definition still goes on.

The best way to control the media is in war conditions so after the fall of the Soviet
Union, the neo cons and their masters in the large mil ind corporation knew to stay
in power and control there had to be a war and so engineered the 'War On Terror'
and continuing their evil paranoia and control of national agendas right up to today.

It should also be noted that other countries do clandestine operations as well,
and there is a place for intelligence agencies , but they seem to have got out
of control for decades culminating in the death of JFK and continuing behind
the corporate and governmental scene!!


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National Geographic - Cia Secret Experiments (Documentary)

Monday 30th March 2015 at 07:03 By David Icke

‘It’s the height of the Cold War and the United States government is desperate to
combat the spread of Communism. The CIA launches a highly classified, top secret
research program into the covert use of biological and chemical agents. In
simulated attacks on enemy populations, entire cities in America are contaminated
with bacteria, exposing millions of Americans to germ warfare.

But the real focus of the research is on mastering the art of mind control.
Psychiatrists at top academic institutions work under secret contract with the
agency. Psychiatric patients, prisoners, even unwitting members of the public are
exposed to a startling array of experiments designed to facilitate interrogations,

induce amnesia and program in new behavior.

Every psychological technique is explored, including hypnosis, electroshock therapy
and lethal cocktails of drugs. What was the extent of these brainwashing
experiments? How did the CIA become involved in such far-reaching and disturbing research?’

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The above doc suggest experts and the CIA said a Manchurian candidate , someone
persuaded to murder under hypnosis was not possible. They would of course, but
Derren Brown proved otherwise live on tv.....

James V. Forrestal Murdered

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Published on 8 Nov 2012

James Vincent Forrestal (February 15, 1892 -- May 22, 1949) was the last Cabinet-
level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of
Defense.

Forrestal was a supporter of naval battle groups centered on aircraft carriers. In
1954, the world's first supercarrier was named USS Forrestal in his honor, as is the
headquarters of the United States Department of Energy. He is also the namesake
of the Forrestal Lecture Series at the United States Naval Academy, which brings
prominent military and civilian leaders to speak to the Brigade of Midshipmen, and
of the James Forrestal Campus of Princeton University in Plainsboro Township, New Jersey.

[Cidersomerset]

Hypnotism Act 1952

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/images/crests/ukpga.gif

Hypnotism Act 1952

1952 CHAPTER 46 15 and 16 Geo 6 and 1 Eliz 2

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6and1Eliz2/15-16/46

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The Assassin: Shooting Stephen Fry

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Derren Brown - The Assassin - Interview

Not all people can be hypnotised , but under the right conditions someone
suggestible can be manipulated.

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The Assassin: Giving Someone Amnesia

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Sirhan Sirhan

https://merovee.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/sir_thumb.jpg?w=455&h=256

http://merovee.wordpress.com/2011/10...-the-assassin/

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The Assassin: Marksman Mode

To make Chris into a gun man, Derren takes him to a shooting range where he will use hypnosis as a trigger.
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The Assassin: Sitting In Freezing Ice Water


Derren challenges the limits of hypnosis by having Chris sit in freezing ice water, without any feeling of pain.
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The Assassin: Candidate Selection

Derren Brown investigates hypnosis and asks if someone could be hypnotised into
killing a celebrity, but first he must select a suitable candidate.

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It runs parrallel with mind control and MK Ultra...

There have been many other threads on this and related subjects....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65420-Discovery-Channel-documentary-proves-mind-control-assassin---conspiracy--


Predictive Programming .....Did Homer Simpson predict the Higgs Boson in 1998 ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80404-Predictive-Programming-.....Did-Homer-Simpson-predict-the-Higgs-Boson-in-1998

Unlimited War! ISIS Psyop Theater Comes to Full Fruition

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79985-Unlimited-War--ISIS-Psyop-Theater-Comes-to-Full-Fruition

A Century Ago: Rockefellers Funded Eugenics Initiative to Sterilize 15 Million Americans

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78105-A-Century-Ago-Rockefellers-Funded-Eugenics-Initiative-to-Sterilize-15-Million-Americans


Predictive TV Shows...........Alias.... Season 2 Episode 11 A Higher Echelon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77692-Predictive-TV-Shows...........Alias....-Season-2-Episode-11-A-Higher-Echelon

Predictive Imprinting and the Importance of Sci-Fi...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77316-Predictive-Imprinting-and-the-Importance-of-Sci-Fi...

[Selkie]

Mind control via hypnosis, psychic driving:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_driving

and other methods is an absolute fact.


Remember Elizabeth Smart?:

http://cultresearch.org/2009/04/on-smart-kidnapping-brainwshing/
(please read to the end of the article, otherwise it will make no sense)


In my own experience of having been mind-controlled...and in everything I have read since I came out of that situation...the basis of mind-control is the isolation and milieu control of the individual (I am not referring to electronic mind control, btw):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milieu_control
http://www.outofthecocoon.net/PDF/1_MilieuControl.pdf


p.s. To my mind, the best authorities on mind-control...what it is, how it is imposed and how it is maintained...are Steven Hassan and Janja Lalich, along with Margaret Singer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hassan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janja_Lalich
http://cultresearch.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Singer


Btw, I do not believe that Sirhan Sirhan was the assassin of RFK. I think he was mind-controlled, but that he was a mind-controlled patsy, not the actual assassin. Please see Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, by David McGowan:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/books.html

[Cidersomerset]

In my own experience of having been mind-controlled...and in everything I have read since I came out of that situation...the basis of mind-control is the isolation and milieu control of the individual (I am not referring to electronic mind control, btw):


Thanks Silkie glad to hear you have been able to realise you were mind controlled
and come out of it. There are many forms of mind control and we are exposed to it
from an infant, we are controlled by our parents and the society we grow up in and
it goes from there. Most people except this as part of life and get on with it and as
people on forums like Avalon realise once you are aware of this you can adjust and
live your life accordingly to some degree because unless you go off the grid most of
us are part of society.

Saying that as you know there are many more techniques and agendas going on
and until the majority of the public know this and is not deflected by 'Experts'
rolled out on the mainstream saying this is only conspiracy theory , The controllers
will continue setting the agendas and we will be manipulated into wars and complicity.

This reply is more for people looking in , shows like Derren Browns and the
Corbbert report and others are saying this and pointing out MK Ultra , Operation
monarch and people like Cathy OBrian were used of sex slaves etc......

Mind Control ''Sex Kitten'' Programming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Z4zAVhJlQ

[Selkie]

In my own experience of having been mind-controlled...and in everything I have read since I came out of that situation...the basis of mind-control is the isolation and milieu control of the individual (I am not referring to electronic mind control, btw):


Thanks Silkie glad to hear you have been able to realise you were mind controlled
and come out of it. There are many forms of mind control and we are exposed to it
from an infant, we are controlled by our parents and the society we grow up in and
it goes from there. Most people except this as part of life and get on with it and as
people on forums like Avalon realise once you are aware of this you can adjust and
live your life accordingly to some degree because unless you go off the grid most of
us are part of society.

Saying that as you know there are many more techniques and agendas going on
and until the majority of the public know this and is not deflected by 'Experts'
rolled out on the mainstream saying this is only conspiracy theory , The controllers
will continue setting the agendas and we will be manipulated into wars and complicity.

This reply is more for people looking in , shows like Derren Browns and the
Corbbert report and others are saying this and pointing out MK Ultra , Operation
monarch and people like Cathy OBrian were used of sex slaves etc......

Mind Control ''Sex Kitten'' Programming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Z4zAVhJlQ

I was not referring to being mind-controlled by a parent or parents or the society I grew up in, which is a necessary part of life, even when the results are not good. I was referring to being mind-controlled by a man who functions, for all intents and purposes, as a cult leader.

an addition: see my signatures, especially the last one.

[Cidersomerset]

I was not referring to being mind-controlled by a parent or parents or the society I grew up in,
which is a necessary part of life, even when the results are not good. I was referring to being
mind-controlled by a man who functions, for all intents and purposes, as a cult leader.

No problems the paragraph was not directed at you but as a general introduction. Funny you
mention cult and I have no experience with them other than general info. But the general
meme of 'control' covers many things that do not seem connected. I put up a post yesterday
about the TV series the Following and the second series was about cults. Its done in a semi
comic book and very violent way but seems all part of the conditioning of the public
towards torture and the use of 'whatever it takes violence' as part of making it exceptable
to do these actions in the name of 'National security and Freedom '....

Again Silkie although I'm answering your quote this is not directed at you just
the greater meme which incorporates many other what at first seem unrelated
subjects but are all part of the bigger psyop imo.....

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I was thinking about putting up a new thread , but it ties in with the general theme
of this thread I think....................



I have been watching the first two series of the Following and that is a total mind
job along with other shows like Home land and 24 where the atrocities get bigger
and horrific so our heroes have to turn to torture or illegal methods to fight these
comic book villains . Whether the writers are deliberately doing this or its just a
reflection of society. The more you find out about their methods and how they
control the public thru the media the more obvious it becomes.

We were always taught torture did not work as underpain the victim will say
anything the torturer wish's.But since Bush 2's sanctioning of waterboarding
there have been attempts to justify its use and effectiveness. Just one of many
ways we are manipulated everyday. Also torture has and still does go on because
their is a sadistic streak on all sides for its justification , and believe it or not many
people pay good money to be tortured in role play games that usually do end
before serious things go wrong. So like everything as Dr Fraud would say nothing is
straight forward and the human psych , it is very complex ...UHM !!

The series is full of scenes similar to this, and portrays the police , FBI, US
Marshalls as totally incompetent and the only answer is an eye for an eye,
by a specially sanctioned black op off the books counter squad, echos
of the wild west....

The Following - Mike kills Lily

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There are many 'CONDTIONING ' articles and you can see them everyday, one
your eyes are open like in the movie 'They Live' the media and now especially with
the web it works both ways and is why the US propaganda machine is in a pannick
at the moment with Russia.............

US losing information war to Russia - report

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Published on 26 Mar 2015


Former US broadcasting officials, diplomats and politicians are calling for a
complete overhaul of government-funded news operations, arguing
that Washington’s rivals are winning the information war. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/wkx36a

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This is a separate post........


I posted this article a couple of days ago on Greybeards thread.
Its all part of the propaganda , mind control games always played
by the rich and elites and church to win and control the 'minds
and the souls of the people'.

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Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

This is interesting from yesterday and illustrates the point I
was making above , and maybe why you asked for individuals
interpretation of 'False flag' events.....

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http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/logo-top1.png

The Tate Murders – The Psyop That Stifled a Generation
Mar 25, 2015

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by Miles W. Mathis

Of all the “conspiracy theories” I have run across over the years, amazingly this
is not one of them. I searched the internet for anything on this theory and got
nothing, even at Above Top Secret and sites like that. But now that we know
many recent tragedies have been faked in Hollywood fashion, why not go back
to previous decades, to see how long this has been going on?

Before I start, let me say two things. One, we will have to study the crime scene
photographs of Sharon Tate, but I will make it as easy on you as possible. They
aren’t what you think anyway. I was apprehensive when I clicked on them for
the first time, but I was very surprised. They aren’t at all what we have been
led to believe. Even so, I will lead you in slowly, making a strong case that they
are fake before you even take a look [If you want to skip ahead, go to p. 46]. By
the time we get there, you will already be pretty sure they aren’t what they are
supposed to be, and you won’t be afraid to look at them. Two, I will also prepare
your mind and eyes by making it clear why the murders needed to be faked. It will
be much easier for a reader to understand how they were faked once he or she
understands why they were faked.


A large article...Read more if you wish....


http://www.zengardner.com/tate-murde...ed-generation/

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81056-Whats-your-definition-of-false-flag

[Selkie]

I was not referring to being mind-controlled by a parent or parents or the society I grew up in,
which is a necessary part of life, even when the results are not good. I was referring to being
mind-controlled by a man who functions, for all intents and purposes, as a cult leader.

But the general meme of 'control' covers many things that do not seem connected. I put up a post yesterday about the TV series the Following and the second series was about cults. Its done in a semi comic book and very violent way but seems all part of the conditioning of the public towards torture and the use of 'whatever it takes violence' as part of making it exceptable
to do these actions in the name of 'National security and Freedom '...

Yes, and what I am saying is that I wonder if the techniques used by cults are a kind of "soft sell" version of the old MK-Ultra psychic "hard sell", because mind-controlled terrorists like suicide bombers get their minds and humanity co-opted somehow, and I don't believe it has to be as obvious and grotesque as what MK-Ultra did, or does. It doesn't even have to be in person, or face-to-face. All it takes is isolation and milieu control, which can be done even over the internet.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes, and what I am saying is that I wonder if the techniques used by cults are a kind of "soft sell" version of the old MK-Ultra psychic "hard sell", because mind-controlled terrorists like suicide bombers get their minds and humanity co-opted somehow, and I don't believe it has to be as obvious and grotesque as what MK-Ultra did, or does. It doesn't even have to be in person, or face-to-face. All it takes is isolation and milieu control, which can be done even over the internet.



I think there are many techniques and the Derren Brown one shows it can be
relatively gentle under the right conditions , but as he explains only a comparative
small number of people are sugestable under normal hypnosis.

Yes I expect you have a point about cults being "soft cell"and MK Ultra being
more " hard cell". There is much more to learn even though it has probably been
released from various victims and whistleblowers , yet the every day articles open
my eyes a little more and there connections. The Derren Brown assassination
experiment proved Sirhan Sirhan could have be mind controlled imo. Now millions
of people have seen this TV show , but would still not believe nefarious groups in
power have been doing it for decades.

[Selkie]

...Now millions of people have seen this TV show , but would still not believe nefarious groups in power have been doing it for decades.

I know...:frusty:

p.s. its hard and soft "sell"...as in salesmanship.

[Cidersomerset]

This is more amusing and ties in with many themes are connected and the world of
sci -fi and mainstream science lead each other, which I have noticed since a boy
with TV programmes like Tommorrows world on BBC TV,and many docs including
things like the Science of Star Trek.

This sound a little glib , but if creation comes from the frequencies of thought and
the spoken word. All inventions have a common source , and either by the
imagination of the Sci - fi writer or the imagination of the scientist , both are linked
and drive each other imo. Which is why in recent articles , standard Sci -fi
concepts such as tractor beams. laser weapons , medical scanners ,teleportation ,
force fields and others have become science reality...........Even the search at
CERN for parallel universes !!


Now from their I found a fan cut of the Star Wars movie trilogy yesterday on a
U'tube link and I'm part way thru it and the second film is about cloned armies and
they have been using Jedi mind tricks on the susceptible...may the force be with
you ........Which ties in with Holly Wood and mind control...

The original from 1977

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Something for the Star War fan to enjoy , predictive
programming and all ...LOL

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Published on 6 Oct 2014
This was my attempt to make the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy into something
a bit easier to watch. All three movies have been heavily edited and combined
into one long film - the total running time is about 3 and a half hours. I don't
know if any amount of editing magic can ever make the Prequel Trilogy truly
"good" - nevertheless, this was my attempt, and I feel like I did alright.

A message to Disney: This is a fan-edit. I'm not uploading this for profit, so
leave me alone. If you'd really like to make money, you should remake the
Prequels from the ground up, after you finish your Sequel Trilogy. It couldn't
be worse than Lucas' job.

[Flash]

Yes, and what I am saying is that I wonder if the techniques used by cults are a kind of "soft sell" version of the old MK-Ultra psychic "hard sell", because mind-controlled terrorists like suicide bombers get their minds and humanity co-opted somehow, and I don't believe it has to be as obvious and grotesque as what MK-Ultra did, or does. It doesn't even have to be in person, or face-to-face. All it takes is isolation and milieu control, which can be done even over the internet.



I think there are many techniques and the Derren Brown one shows it can be
relatively gentle under the right conditions , but as he explains only a comparative
small number of people are sugestable under normal hypnosis.

Yes I expect you have a point about cults being "soft cell"and MK Ultra being
more " hard cell". There is much more to learn even though it has probably been
released from various victims and whistleblowers , yet the every day articles open
my eyes a little more and there connections. The Derren Brown assassination
experiment proved Sirhan Sirhan could have be mind controlled imo. Now millions
of people have seen this TV show , but would still not believe nefarious groups in
power have been doing it for decades.

Under repeated hypnosis trials, 85% of people are susceptible. Only a 15% hard core level headed are not. This is very little. It tells you that most of us are Under some form of hypnosis, often through commercial means (tv, songs, etc)

[Selkie]

Yes, and what I am saying is that I wonder if the techniques used by cults are a kind of "soft sell" version of the old MK-Ultra psychic "hard sell", because mind-controlled terrorists like suicide bombers get their minds and humanity co-opted somehow, and I don't believe it has to be as obvious and grotesque as what MK-Ultra did, or does. It doesn't even have to be in person, or face-to-face. All it takes is isolation and milieu control, which can be done even over the internet.



I think there are many techniques and the Derren Brown one shows it can be
relatively gentle under the right conditions , but as he explains only a comparative
small number of people are sugestable under normal hypnosis.

Yes I expect you have a point about cults being "soft cell"and MK Ultra being
more " hard cell". There is much more to learn even though it has probably been
released from various victims and whistleblowers , yet the every day articles open
my eyes a little more and there connections. The Derren Brown assassination
experiment proved Sirhan Sirhan could have be mind controlled imo. Now millions
of people have seen this TV show , but would still not believe nefarious groups in
power have been doing it for decades.

Under repeated hypnosis trials, 85% of people are susceptible. Only a 15% hard core level headed are not. This is very little. It tells you that most of us are Under some form of hypnosis, often through commercial means (tv, songs, etc)

Yes, and it seems to me that most people sit in front of the TV with no idea that they are most likely in a hypnotic trance...a dream state...and that unless they fight it by using critical thinking, their subconscious is wide open to influences from the boob tube.

As for mind-control techniques, they work much better if the person being controlled is unaware that someone is working mind-control on them, or is of the belief that the person mind-controlling them has their best interests at heart.

p.s. I am of the opinion that if you really want to understand what mind control is and how it works, you have to study cult recruitment techniques.

[Cidersomerset]

Under repeated hypnosis trials, 85% of people are susceptible. Only a 15% hard core
level headed are not. This is very little. It tells you that most of us are Under some form of
hypnosis, often through commercial means (tv, songs, etc)

That's probably true , otherwise they would not spend billions on
advertising and general control memes like news , government
policy and a lot of low level mind control we can live with once
we are aware of it.

Its the very small percent that can be mind controlled like Sirhan Sirhan
and possibly the many lone gun attackers particularly in the US. It
happens else where say in the middle east with suicide bombers with
religious indoctrines , the 99 vrigins etc. Also in Afghanistan they drug
potential suicide bombers to the eyeballs and send them to specific targets.

Also other means are probably used , they showed the Afghan method in
a recent BBC comedy show set in Afghanistan Bluestone 42 about a
bomb disposal squad.......


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Other Suicide bombers are unfortunately real as well as are terrorist attacks.
Some are genuine by disgruntled groups as Robin Cook said before he 'died'
after speaking in the house of commons and saying Al Quaeda is only a CIA
database of disperate freedom fighter groups. Its the CIA and other intel groups
that organise or allow most events such as 9/11 and what we are seeing with ISIS
name changed to ISIL.


Afghan troops disarm suicide bomber's vest

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Suicide attack kills 50 at volleyball tournament in east Afghanistan

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Published on 23 Nov 2014

A suicide bombing has reportedly killed 50 people at a volleyball tournament in
eastern Afghanistan, local officials say.

[Selkie]

...Its the very small percent that can be mind controlled like Sirhan Sirhan and possibly the many lone gun attackers particularly in the US...

I am sorry, Cidersomerset, but you are simply incorrect about this. All humans are vulnerable to mind-control:

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/mind-control.html
scroll down to Susceptibility, but you should really read the whole page.

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
...Its the very small percent that can be mind controlled like Sirhan Sirhan and possibly the many lone gun attackers particularly in the US...
I am sorry, Cidersomerset, but you are simply incorrect about this. All humans are vulnerable to mind-control:

http://www.decision-making-confidenc...d-control.html
scroll down to Susceptibility, but you should really read the whole page.


I'm not convinced we could all be Manchurian Candidates , but since we are
basically biological computers in this form I suppose a programmer could in theory
effect everyone . I'm open to suggestions ( Is that mind control ? ..Uhm !! ..LOL )

I agree we are mind controlled from birth and being aware of it helps.But as our
society is based on capitalism it hard to stop. As I said before the way to stop its
effectiveness is for everyone to become aware and maybe stop the worst of the
manipulation that is happening daily.

Another issue, we are all different , but have a lot of common traits,Some humans
want to belong and others are loners but most are somewhere inbetween . From
the family unit to individuals we fall into many catergories but in the end we are
usually controlled by patriotism, religious fervour, fear , debt or some other
programme. To break free from everything is not in human nature on this plane
of existence as we know it. But there are free radicals amongst us but only a small
percentage as we are basically a social animal that needs support to an extent ,
mainly from family and friends and not necessarily an ever growing 'Nanny State'.
Though there is a place for communal society in general if we are to avoid constant
conflict and competition for resources etc....

I agree with most of the article and we are seeing and living in the conclusions below.


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A growing problem

With the state of the world as it is today, it seems that more and more
people are turning to fundamentalist ideas to try to find order or safety
or security in today's chaos.

It also means they are more susceptible to being recruited by cults because
cults offer simple solutions to life's difficult problems, and cults thrive in
difficult times. And in all areas, religious, political, financial, health eg.
yoga cults, fitness cults etc., and personal development.

It also seems that there are more and more cult films being made today,
and that doesn't mean films with a cult following. There are more and
more films about mental control, destructive cults and psychopaths, if
you know what you're looking for!

Here are some mind control videos with explanations of some of the
techniques, and fictional books demonstrating the effects.

Read more about destructive cults and destructive sects to learn about
the effects of coercive persuasion, as well as how to protect yourself
and undo the damage...

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/mind-control.html

[Selkie]

I wanted to say, too that MK-Ultra was happening during more-or-less the same time-frame in which the phenomenon of cults...and serial killers...started to blossom across the United States. So here is a thought: what if the "hard sell" of MK-Ultra was a kind of cover for the "soft sell" of cults? Because maybe I will be pilloried for this, but MK-Ultra...which I do think was real...looks positively campy. And for that matter, so do those Derren Brown videos.

p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or be argumentative, really!

[Cidersomerset]

I wanted to say, too that MK-Ultra was happening during more-or-less during the time-frame in which the phenomenon of cults...and serial killers...started to blossom across the United States. So here is a thought: what if the "hard sell" of MK-Ultra was a kind of cover for the "soft sell" of cults? Because maybe I will be pilloried for this, but MK-Ultra...which I do think was real...looks positively campy. And for that matter, so do those Derren Brown videos.

p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or be argumentative, really!

Your entitled to your opinion coming from your view point...

The Derren Brown episode was made to be aired on mainstream TV
so is not going to lambast the CIA or other intel groups. The fact
Derren is insinuating it is possible Sirhan Sirhans could have
been mind controlled is impressive to me and the fact he referenced
him though out the show was brave of him imo.

To go further would have the CIA after him I think . After all Derren
is an entertainer not a whistle blower . Unless you think there is a
double bluff going on here , which I don't think so . But ??

[Selkie]

The Derren Brown episode was made to be aired on mainstream TV so is not going to lambast the CIA or other intel groups. The fact
Derren is insinuating it is possible Sirhan Sirhans could have
been mind controlled is impressive to me and the fact he referenced
him though out the show was brave of him imo.

To go further would have the CIA after him I think .

Oh, yes, I think you are correct! So then, that could make the Derren Brown videos a possible limited hang-out, probably unbeknownst to Derren Brown or possibly even to the producers of the show.

an addition: Because honestly, is there anyone who has been paying attention for awhile who doesn't think that there is anything that gets onto mainstream TV that hasn't been thoroughly vetted by the CIA, or some other...maybe even several other...3-letter agencies?

[Cidersomerset]

Another article I just noticed on David Ickes headline page today , indoctrinating
start young as I have mentioned in earlier posts. The same goes for the Jimmy
Saville thread part of that is manipulation and mind control.

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Schools now indoctrinating 4-year-olds with guilt, labeling them ‘racist’ for asking questions

Monday 30th March 2015 at 06:48 By David Icke

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Schools now indoctrinating 4-year-olds with guilt, labeling them "racist" for asking questions

Sunday, March 29, 2015 by: PF Louis
Tags: school systems, indoctrination, political correctness


‘Reading and writing skill standards have dropped considerably along with other language
skills, especially English. When it comes to actually educating children, schools are really
nothing more than daycare warehouses for children to become conditioned for corporate
jobs and social compliance.

What used to be taught at the high school level is now college level, and before that, high
school level was once covered in grade school. Instead of focusing on what should be
covered better and on essays to prove a grasp of what’s studied instead of multiple choice
exams that can be cleverly manipulated by students for higher grades than deserved, the
trend is now focusing on politically correct behavior.’

Permanently recording "bigot" labels on young schoolchildren in England

School districts in England have issued manuscript guidelines for what is considered offensive
rhetoric among children as young as five. Instead of coaching the children directly for callous
remarks, looks or behavior deemed politically incorrect along color, social class and gender
lines, teachers are required to fill out lengthy forms and check off items listed.

An incident of a seven-year-old boy asking a younger brown-skinned boy if he was from Africa
came to the UK media forefront after the boy's mother objected and defended her son's claim
of simply asking where the boy was from. She refused to sign an official school form agreeing
that her son had made a racist remark. The boy's mother insisted that he's merely inquisitive.

This sparked a media controversy in which several educational experts commented. Among
them was Chris McGovern, a former headmaster now with the Campaign for Real Education,
who stated, "In many cases in many schools we have over-zealous bureaucrats who have
responsibility for politically correct behaviour, who are almost brain-washed by their teacher
training and put upon by their local authorities."

"As a result, they are looking for examples of racist or homophobic comment .... It is a bit like
witch-finding -- they are seeking out examples to justify their position," McGovern continued.
The boy who had asked the question was confused and a bit traumatized by the incident.

Another mother wrote how her five-year-old daughter got into trouble for calling her best friend
brown. The mother pointed out that her daughter has other friends and even relatives of colour.
But now the child is on record as being racist.

Inspectors from England's Ofsted (Office for Standards in Education) look over these records to
see if schools are upholding standards in political correctness. Though no longer required by
British law, schools still use these reports to curry favor from Ofsted. Parents can be called in
and the forms become a part of the child's school record permanently.

Some examples of items listed in those forms, in addition to perceived racial slurs and other
"prejudice based behavior," include: "retard/ spaz/geek/nerd" among special needs kids;
"sissy/butch, she/he, gender bender" are words suggested for gender identity taunting;
even the word "posh" comes under scrutiny for the "home circumstances category."

The forms require checking off whether words, dirty looks, sarcasm or jokes were part of the offender's behavior.


Back in the USA

The Sacramento Bee reported how part of grading on report cards will include politically correct
(PC) behavior on an even more subtle level to conform with statewide Common Core values:
Grit, gratitude and being sensitive to others.

Though grit (persistence and courage) is a quality beyond PC, how is that accurately assessed
within a classroom environment?

There are four possible grades for each of those qualities: A for almost always or always, O for
often, S for sometimes and R for rarely. Who decides on these qualities? What if a child exhibits
none or isn't observed with any? Since when are school teachers psychiatrists?

Oh right, they can appeal to psychiatrists for prescriptions to cure brain imbalances among the
newly categorized behavioral conditions that aren't "normal." With all this attention on programming
politically correct behavior, the stuff of education that needs more focus is shoved aside.

Can anyone spell homeschooling?

Sources for this article include

http://www.breitbart.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk

http://www.dailymail.co.uk

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com

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[Flash]

My daughter once told me "I don't understand why people say my friend J is black! She is not black, she is brown!" To which I laughed and told her it was a way of saying things, and yes, J is Brown, R is a white yellowish and she is white milk. And it stopped there, she ended up being the least racist I know of.

And then, years later, when I told J that x had been balckmailed, J told asked me why I was so racist, mail being black and bad, I told her it was a way of speaking and this time it was her mom who explained to her the difference between ways of speaking and racism, thank god.

But given the context where she would have been made guilty for mentioning it, she/they would probably have carried a weight on her/their shoulders and hating it, would maybe have hated other races because of the feeling it would have given her. Who knows.

we have to be constantly careful with the divisive thoughts and brainswashing we are subjected to.