What it take people to wake up?

[apokalypse]

just talked to one person who i just knew...she into nature-yoga and listen to Buddhism stuff but moment ago i sent her stuff to read and she kind of pissed off reply "i don't have time to read...i have kids...don't sent stuff anymore...ect" i was in shock when she said that, i tried to talk over but she completely ignore me.

i'm kind of sad right now want to cry not because of event but towards people especially like her...i thought able to share stuff and discuss about it but dead wrong, i want to cry how can people are so ignorance and so focus on physicality? I want to cry because parents are so ignorance teaching kids to become like them turn kids into a robot(the blind leading the blind)...i want to cry people accept current society and society must function this way.

i have talked to many people and they seems to don't care...only 3/10 do care. i'm starting to give up...when the f people to wake up?

[Innocent Warrior]

"The truth can't be told, it has to be realised." - Infinite Waters

Hope this helps.

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:hug:

[triquetra]

This is the difficult situation we are in. You can lead a horse to water but...

Someone could come out of nowhere and tell it exactly like it is with 0 lost in translation, perfect research done, a fully aware account of the state of reality and people could read it and not realize its full implications.

We could have synthesizers around us but not be able to listen to them because our ears cannot pick up frequencies as high as what they are transmitting.

It is really a communications-level problem.

So those like Tsarion advise showing the sheer difference in how one has worked on themselves to the point you carry a drastically different energy about you than a totally non-awakened one, and that stark difference will leave a lingering impact that will say more to the deaf ears than words or text ever could.

I was guided to be taught action over theory and for all the theory I have developed and the incredibly strange events I have been made to participate in or bear witness to, an account of those experiences is much less valuable to another than the sheer gravity of a totally detached but still human entity that has gone on to experience reality completely from the 3rd person perspective rather than the 1st.

We can help others more by going deeper, even deeper, ourselves. Eventually they will see a pattern in your differences and wonder why it is you are guiding yourself to such ongoing positive outcomes while their remains a turbulent roller coaster of unpredictable ups and downs. Why you have found stability amidst the chaos while they have not.

There is a mysterious moment where you influence another indirectly by sparking their curiosity as to why you have found some kind of profound peace in a state of increasingly total alignment while their experience continues to flow all over the place due to very unstable and dissonant energies rampant in their day to day life.

How can I say it? Yes we still need all the accurate and out-of-the-box words we can muster to pass on to another. Just as much as ever.

But the real swing of status quo interpretation of reality (the REAL reality vs the illusory reality so many of them are caught up on) will come from a firm determination to live your life in the real reality and not the illusory one. Not being willing to go back there and pretend that illusory reality holds any sway over you will have an enormous impact on others once they take notice completely of their own accord - no words needed on your part by that point.

You are unplugged, and it startles them.

[dim]

trying to help people wake up means you don't accept them as they are


initially we think that it is a noble thing to do and we crash our head in a cement wall multiple times
is a lesson too
and then we mature and see that behind every sleeping human is a powerful soul that needs to take it's own lessons in its own pace
and truth can't be shoved in anybody's mouth
if you really found any kind of truth, it will by itself radiate and gravitate towards you those ready to drink from your heart
no need to actively do anything about it, it sorts itself out.

[Wind]

A miracle, shock or suffering as some have already said. For me it was deep suffering. You can't change a person, you can only change yourself. That being said, I can relate to your frustration and sadness. The way I see it, the more caring and empathic people are the more they have experienced suffering and severe distress in some point of their existence. Some are meant to be awakened during this time, others not. Nothing happens by chance.

[Cristian]

http://www.wallfry.com/image/cache/data/typography/SHINE-typography-2-750x600.jpg

[Violet]

Free will ( and some will power)

[betoobig]

I love the sentence that says "we are all alike the only defference is the stage of evolution in which you are"
It helped me a lot. Thanks
LOve
Juan

[LoneWolf76]

For the most part, I have given up pointing out the insanity and lies. People just don't want to know. Even to the extent that I don't talk to my own family. I'm working on myself, and changing my life, but they want me to remain the same and live according to their conventions and traditions. Hopefully I'll be an inspiration to some. Right now, that's what I'm working on.

[Erich]

It will take 5 days without food, no grocery stores, police roaming the streets, etc....

[Erich]

This is the difficult situation we are in. You can lead a horse to water but...

Someone could come out of nowhere and tell it exactly like it is with 0 lost in translation, perfect research done, a fully aware account of the state of reality and people could read it and not realize its full implications.

We could have synthesizers around us but not be able to listen to them because our ears cannot pick up frequencies as high as what they are transmitting.

It is really a communications-level problem.

So those like Tsarion advise showing the sheer difference in how one has worked on themselves to the point you carry a drastically different energy about you than a totally non-awakened one, and that stark difference will leave a lingering impact that will say more to the deaf ears than words or text ever could.

I was guided to be taught action over theory and for all the theory I have developed and the incredibly strange events I have been made to participate in or bear witness to, an account of those experiences is much less valuable to another than the sheer gravity of a totally detached but still human entity that has gone on to experience reality completely from the 3rd person perspective rather than the 1st.

We can help others more by going deeper, even deeper, ourselves. Eventually they will see a pattern in your differences and wonder why it is you are guiding yourself to such ongoing positive outcomes while their remains a turbulent roller coaster of unpredictable ups and downs. Why you have found stability amidst the chaos while they have not.

There is a mysterious moment where you influence another indirectly by sparking their curiosity as to why you have found some kind of profound peace in a state of increasingly total alignment while their experience continues to flow all over the place due to very unstable and dissonant energies rampant in their day to day life.

How can I say it? Yes we still need all the accurate and out-of-the-box words we can muster to pass on to another. Just as much as ever.

But the real swing of status quo interpretation of reality (the REAL reality vs the illusory reality so many of them are caught up on) will come from a firm determination to live your life in the real reality and not the illusory one. Not being willing to go back there and pretend that illusory reality holds any sway over you will have an enormous impact on others once they take notice completely of their own accord - no words needed on your part by that point.

You are unplugged, and it startles them.

Well done. James Horak appeared with that kind of clarity.

[Selkie]

I am of the mind that people do not wake up; they are woken up by something outside of themselves, by something that happens to them. Being woken up is deeply disruptive to one's sense of reality, and if someone is happy and contented with their reality, why should they want to know? What purpose would it serve them? No one wants their reality disrupted for no good reason, and I think its selfish in the extreme for anyone to go around trying to "wake people up". If life gives them no reason to wake up, then let them be. If life gives them a reason and they get woken up, then be there for them. Or find others who's eyes are already open and hang out with them. But quit trying to force people to open their eyes.

[Snowflower]

So far in this thread, I agree with every post. I have bashed my head against that wall, given up, tried again, more bashing, more giving up. Reality of calamity has actually hit my family up side the head and they STILL don't get it. Their ability to deny the obvious is astonishing, especially considering that I am the one who raised them, with a great deal of what I thought was thinking outside the box mindset.

At this point, the conclusion I have reached is that I will remain firm in my own position, not to convince them, but to be true to myself. I have simply told them flat out that the systems of civilization are not sustainable and that the entire house of cards will, at some unknown point in time, collapse. If they reject it, that doesn't change reality. You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. At that precise moment in time, they will get slapped with the consequences of ignoring reality. I have come to understand that those consequences might very well include their - and my - deaths (since I am very dependent on them for survival, and frankly would not choose to continue living without family anyway). This body I inhabit is not my true self and I imagine I'll survive the experience intact.

For years I have tried to build an infrastructure that would maintain our lives after collapse, despite their refusal to help. Well, I've come to understand that I simply cannot do it alone. I'm tired. I know it is the last second of the final minute before midnight, but I'm just too tired to keep on struggling alone. I've gotten myself into quite a mess because I thought I could put a safety net into place to catch them during collapse. Now, in that final second, I'm being forced to simply stop. Stop fighting the inevitable, stop swimming against the rapids, stop trying to save them from the consequences of ignoring reality.

And, yes, I am crying also.

[Mandala]

How many of you actually believe in alien life or dimensional entities? I have seen the ships and don't even question it. For me it is a fact. Sometimes when I have some kind of workshop where they make you introduce yourself and tell one thing unique about yourself or your beliefs, I say, "I believe in aliens". The laughter always goes on for at least 3 to 5 minutes and the comments are unbelievable. I just smile and sit down. Most people think it's so outrageous, they believe I'm joking. I never clarify, just smile. Later on someone will come up and say "You really know how to add a little fun to a dull meeting. I got to think of something outlandish to say next time too."

That's what I think is funny. They have no idea, don't want to hear it, believe it or contemplate it. Nothing other than their own belief system. They are so clueless.

[Snowflower]

Mandala, I have not seen one in my conscious memory (although I am missing a critical 3 hours of time after watching a ship coming toward me), but have no trouble "believing" in aliens because it's simply too logical not to.

[Earthlink]

You can lead a Human to Knowledge, but you can not make them Think.

Perhaps, one day, her own children will help her. If not, you have done all you can.

[Selkie]

...They are so clueless.

Yes, it is so sad that they are not more like us, because we are so wonderfully awake and aware. If they only would agree with us (poor, benighted lunkheads that they are), it would make how we see the world so much more real!, and then we could relax because our paradigm would have been confirmed.

[ChristianSky]

Cheer up apokalypse :-) Trust me when I say that I know the feeling. I too have had the occasional feeling of no hope for humanity or feeling of despair. It can be quite depressing. As a former US Marine, it is particularly frustrating when I see things at a complete 180 as I did when I was in, and to see the "we're the kings of the world" mentality taken on by most of my former military colleagues. Yes, that feeling of no hope for humanity can be quite strong. Fortunately, most times, usually a good meditation session will be a great "reset button" to sort of help brush it off. At this point in time I have simply learned to keep things with people extremely subtle and if I do share anything with people it will be on a very transparent level. A complete paradigm shift to the majority of the world is simply too much to handle at this particular point. I know it can be frustrating to feel like the clock is ticking while the world goes to crap and yet people are sleep walking through their day to day lives. Just try to remind yourself that just because your awakening was quick and perhaps instantaneous, the majority of society does not fall within that category. And that is no way implying that people like us are on a pedestal looking down on everyone else. It is my opinion that people like us have simply taken a detour on our spiritual evolution. These days, before I even conceive of striking up a conversation with someone about an "alternative" topic, I simply ask myself if I am in any way about to come off like one of those Jehovas Wintness folks we all know of. If there is even a hint of a yes, then I keep my thoughts to myself. You can only do what you can do. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a quote I read years ago about the 911 truth movement that I think drives home the theme of this thread.....

"911 truth challenges the belief that our country protects us and keeps us safe and that America is the good guy. When your beliefs are challenged, fear and anxiety kick in and they protect us from these emotions. Denial, which is probably the most primitive psychological defense, is the one likely to kick in when our beliefs are challenged."

[Selkie]

just talked to one person who i just knew...she into nature-yoga and listen to Buddhism stuff but moment ago i sent her stuff to read and she kind of pissed off reply "i don't have time to read...i have kids...don't sent stuff anymore...ect" i was in shock when she said that, i tried to talk over but she completely ignore me.

i'm kind of sad right now want to cry not because of event but towards people especially like her...i thought able to share stuff and discuss about it but dead wrong, i want to cry how can people are so ignorance and so focus on physicality? I want to cry because parents are so ignorance teaching kids to become like them turn kids into a robot(the blind leading the blind)...i want to cry people accept current society and society must function this way.

i have talked to many people and they seems to don't care...only 3/10 do care. i'm starting to give up...when the f people to wake up?

If you really like this person, then don't make an issue out of her waking up...do as she asks and leave off. Accept her as she is and stick to the things you have in common with her.

People like us will probably always form a sub-set of society. There is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with them for not being interested in joining us.

[Heartsong]

Rejection is a clear possibility when holding up your beliefs and/or your behaviors as a standard for others.

[thepainterdoug]

many spot on comments in this post. i have friends who won't even comment on things i send them. things important that we all need to be aware of, false flag info and various corruption etc, they won't even answer, then i send them something on tiger woods or the masters and bingo, there they are.
i think their scared. scared they will be put on a list. if they comment then they are part of it etc. so they delete it
is this what we are now reduced to? scared of our government? we the people? wow! the tail is wagging the dog. where is it all going?

[Selkie]

many spot on comments in this post. i have friends who won't even comment on things i send them. things important that we all need to be aware of, false flag info and various corruption etc, they won't even answer, then i send them something on tiger woods or the masters and bingo, there they are.
i think their scared. scared they will be put on a list. if they comment then they are part of it etc. so they delete it
is this what we are now reduced to? scared of our government? we the people? wow! the tail is wagging the dog. where is it all going?
I haven't seen any Jehovah's Witnesses in a long time, but when they used to come around, I would close the door in their faces, or throw away the copies of The Watchtower that they stuck in the front door. And I bet they thought I was benighted, too, because after all, weren't they trying to enlighten me? Weren't they trying to help me?

The fact of the matter is that enlightenment is subjective, and what is enlightenment to one person is delusion and madness (or just a pain in the ***) to another.

[apokalypse]

many spot on comments in this post. i have friends who won't even comment on things i send them. things important that we all need to be aware of, false flag info and various corruption etc, they won't even answer, then i send them something on tiger woods or the masters and bingo, there they are.
i think their scared. scared they will be put on a list. if they comment then they are part of it etc. so they delete it
is this what we are now reduced to? scared of our government? we the people? wow! the tail is wagging the dog. where is it all going?

that have happen to me which make me sad...the lady who into Buddhism so i send stuff about spirituality and conditions on earth like consumerism and she not even look at it...i tried talk abit about politics and got told to stop. looking at planet earth right now I'm kind of sad and frustrated...want people to wake up.

i have invite a guy into group discussion debate on religion and he quickly say goodbye because it could change his belief.

[3(C)+me]

It will take 5 days without food, no grocery stores, police roaming the streets, etc....

And even then some people will REFUSE.

[Peace of Mind]

If you truly care… persistence will be your aid, as your love will win the day.

People are divided, cleverly culled into social groups while being trained to be afraid of the unseen and the unproven. The division gives humanity a life of complexity. Hardly having trust and admiration for your fellow man/wombman is detrimental…as that goes against the true nature of the social being known as human.

Awaken souls can be seen in many degrees. But you can’t be that much awake if your eyes can not see the treachery bestowed on to mankind. Man has become feeble due to years of harmful consumptions. Much of the “really important” information is hard for the average person to digest. Mainly because they’re not use to what’s being dished to them…and it definitely doesn’t help when their palette is already clutter with forced fed recipes of destruction.

On your journey, you’ll find people who are just not ready (atm), but continuing to nurture your seeds with plenty of love and attention should blossom into the beautiful results you seek. Giving up on them is to giving up on you. We are all meant to be enslaved, be grateful that you and others have the knowledge and fortitude to assist in our over-all well being. We are all in this together. Just be patient, attentive, considerate but vigilant.

There’s a mountain for all of us to climb, but the challenge is yours to take at your own pace and time.

Peace

[Natalia]

http://www.krigline.com/photos/wallpaper/Serenity-Prayer-Lugu14x9.jpg

[Innocent Warrior]

The message in the video I posted is to leave people where they're comfortable and to be the lighthouse etc. Maybe people are afraid but from what I've observed, they just don't care. But who says they have to? Maybe they're not meant to. It's incorrect to assume we're all here for the same reasons or that they're doomed if they don't wake up. We don't know that, hell we don't even know how all this will manifest. Also, it is arrogant to assume others who are not awake are less effective in the face of social issues etc.

My grandmother was utterly clueless and was even a monarchist but she raised 27 children, none of them her own. Grandma was the most selfless and powerful woman I've ever known and the world is a better place because of her life.

It is a huge burden to feel responsible for waking others up and it causes much suffering, all unnecessary.

[Selkie]

The message in the video I posted is to leave people where they're comfortable and to be the lighthouse etc. Maybe people are afraid but from what I've observed, they just don't care. But who says they have to? Maybe they're not meant to. It's incorrect to assume we're all here for the same reasons or that they're doomed if they don't wake up. We don't know that, hell we don't even know how all this will manifest. Also, it is arrogant to assume others who are not awake are less effective in the face of social issues etc.

My grandmother was utterly clueless and was even a monarchist but she raised 27 children, none of them her own. Grandma was the most selfless and powerful woman I've ever known and the world is a better place because of her life.

It is a huge burden to feel responsible for waking others up and it causes much suffering, all unnecessary.

Yeah, its the heart sutra. "Form is void and void is form."

[East Sun]

Each one of us was told something we did not know before. Maybe it was a book or just a friend or stumbling on someone like David Icke. The info might have been a shock and something you really needed to hear, were waiting to hear but did not know it.

Things came to me incrementally over years but then suddenly it was 911, David Icke, Whistle blowers this forum on and on.

I was really glad to hear all I could and of course tried to tell others,but to no avail. Just one person (a friend) listened, but he is aware anyway.

I will tell someone just once and if they don't want to hear that's fine. If they have questions they will ask. But I do believe in pointing the person in the right direction. People have a right to be made aware just in case. As time goes on I think it will become clear to more and more
people what is what.

[Lifebringer]

God feels the same way with creation. How do you think it deals with this emotional pain? Patience, hope and guidance.

[Lifebringer]

Soon she will contact you, because of all the confusion she will want answers.

[ZooLife]

https://clarkkent07.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/1111-alarm-clock-dreams-pink-favim-com-243186.jpg

This is always a good reminder.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk5i4GX1BJY

[Lifebringer]

Remember in the matrix, some choose to be in their own world. The guy that said he didn't want to be awake?

[ghostrider]

Enoch predicted the time when the love of many shall wax cold ... hard hearts and the stress of the times does it's evil deeds on humanity ...some people need to hit rock bottom before they stop , and start to get real ... when you get down to it , people only wake up after riding around in the matrix for so long , they start to think inward , there has to be more to life than working , sleeping and paying bills ... the really tough part is , the matrix ( the world presented to us ) is upside down in every respect ... it shatters their reality ...

[sigma6]

http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/babe-ruth-full-size-photo-bat-3322583.jpg

[Carmody]

Ok, I nearly choked when I got it (from the laughing), but Sig, you are probably correct.


Now NASA (5-6 hours back from this post) is talking about life out there being a definite (100%) and it is only a matter of time, nothing more. They are saying 10 to 20 years, but we know that is merely a notice being given - and it may happen sooner, it depends on how fast people 'get' this particular 'notice/proclamation' that has just been nailed to the church door.

That is the baseball bat wake up cure.

The one bell that rings that 'the race is on'... so you better shape up and get smart, intelligent, aware and capable....as you don't want to get lost in the giant swirl of motion of moving into a galactic inclusion type of future. Swim or drown... as the water of human potential is definitely going to rise.

Being brain dead, watching football and eating Doritos... just ain't gonna cut it anymore.

[Natalia]

Here is a talk by Scott Mandelker that is mostly about this (yes, yes, I likes him a lot! *giggle* :) )

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[gripreaper]

Notice to Congress—The Days of Legalizing Theft Are Over

From the writings of Anna von Reitz. Big Lake Alaska September 2014

The most recent round of fraud began on March 28, 1861. That was the day the Congress of the united States of America adjourned for lack of quorum and never reconvened. Ever since, “Congress” has functioned in one of three roles—(1) as a corporate Board of Directors for private, mostly foreign-owned and deceptively named governmental services corporations operated by banking cartels (the Federal Reserve running the “United States of America, Inc.” and the IMF running the “UNITED STATES”) or (2) the government of a legislative democracy calling itself the United States of America (Minor)— American “states” more often thought of as federal territories and possessions— Guam, Puerto Rico, etc., or (3) operating as a plenary oligarchy ruling the Washington DC Municipal Government. All this time that you thought the members of Congress were representing you and your interests, they’ve been representing other interests entirely. That explains a lot, doesn’t it?

On March 6, 1933 the “President” of the “United States of America, Inc.” Franklin Delano Roosevelt attended a Conference of Governors meeting. These “Governors” were all “State” franchise managers of the United States of America, Inc., exactly like local franchise owners of Burger King or Sears. They got together and pledged the assets of their customers—their employers—the American states and people——as “sureties” for their private corporate debts. And then they bankrupted the “United States of America” and all the “State” franchises.

The “federal” States that were created by the 14th Amendment of their private for-profit corporation’s look-alike, sound-alike “constitution” published as the “Constitution of the United States of America” are not the same as the actual States of the Union, nor are their “State” citizens the same as American State Citizens, nor are their “US citizens” the same as Citizens of the united States, but they pretended that they were and the banks gleefully agreed.

To secure the debt owed by the “United States of America, Inc.” the banks established maritime salvage liens against every parcel of land, every business, every man, woman, and child in America, and continued to operate their doppelganger corporation under Chapter 11 Reorganization. They laid claim to your “good faith and credit” —stole your credit cards— and your identity as an American State Citizen, and they never bothered to tell the victim.

They also had you declared legally dead and probated your estate and issued bonds based on the value of your labor and private property. Just look at “your” Birth Certificate—signed by the County Registrar, an officer of the probate court, issued in the NAME of a “dead person”—you, numbered as a bond and issued on bond paper.

At the same time, they converted all your private bank accounts to the ownership of the ESTATE trust they created “in your name” and moved the ESTATE offshore to Puerto Rico where you and your assets supposedly came under the foreign maritime jurisdiction of the United States of America (Minor). Look at the NAME on “your” bank account checks.

Look at the signature line under a high powered magnifier. The IMF claims that it owns all your bank accounts. It claims that your ESTATE was “abandoned”, and now all the spoils belong to the bank. They are pressing “Congress” to pass “laws” to allow them to seize all American bank accounts—your savings, your retirement accounts, your checking accounts, everything. We’ve seen Dodd-Frank. Now we are seeing “bail-in” proposals. The Big Banks want “Congress” to front for their greed and criminality—again.


This is all fiduciary trust fraud and fiduciary trust fraud has no statute of limitations. 1862 or 1933 or 2014—it makes no difference. We suggest that members of Congress assume their public offices acting under full 100% individual commercial liability —or be ousted and tried as criminals. Next, we suggest that they honor their contract with America and issue debt-free public money— real American Dollars. Next, liquidate all the “too big to fail” banks, tear up the corporate charters these entities have violated, seize back our purloined assets, and shut them all down.

Meanwhile, the market for financial services will open up for banks operated under actual state charters. This thing you have thought of as your government is nothing but a multi-national conglomerate run criminally amok. The real government of this country is vested in each of you. You all hold more civil authority on the land than the entire federal government.

Deal with the “FEDERAL RESERVE” and “IMF” and “CONGRESS” the same way you
would deal with “TARGET” or “WALMART” or “ARBY’S” if they grossly endangered, cheated, enslaved, and defrauded you. Keep calm and get even. You all know what to do.

You have the guaranteed Universal Right of Self-Declaration provided by United Nations Conventions, plus the protections of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You have the Geneva Conventions and the Lieber Code. You have the preserved right to Common Law, guaranteed by Uniform Commercial Code 1-308 and recourse guaranteed by 1-103.6, which includes the right not to be bound by any contract that is unilateral, inequitable, involuntary, undisclosed, tainted by fraud, not in-kind, entered in your behalf by others merely claiming to represent you, or deemed to exist as the result of receiving a compelled benefit or fruit of monopoly inducement. You have the absolute right to Expatriate from their maritime jurisdiction.

Do so.

When 400 million Americans stand up and clean house, the world will listen and hear the roar.

http://www.annavonreitz.com/noticetocongress.pdf

[triquetra]

This is one approach gripreaper, to try to change the existing system. Another is to try and fight against it.

I am here advising something different from both those options.
In connection with the previous post, and posts I have made in other threads, the trend is clear that there is a definite "Phase 1" in all this, waking oneself up.
By whatever means.

No one seems to know what Phase 2 is.
I don't come here at all in an attempt to wake people up. People here are already awake.

I don't go peddling ideas to all the many forums out there. Never have. A ghost amongst participants of many-a-forum (are there any here that *only* discuss these matters here are nowhere else?)

There is a reason Bill chose the name Avalon beyond it being a nice name. It symbolizes something that has had many names, the Otherworld, Tir na nog, these are all *symbolic* stories of a place that can be reached, and we can reach it.

I say yes, don't bother trying to awaken others. Find others who are awake and *build* anew with them.

There should be no conflict. No fighting against the old. Instead concentrate collective energy on building anew instead.

There is a way to build a system that allows those awakened to leave this impending hell hole. I was shown this. Can prove it but was told people are less interested in hearing about my past and more about the reason for being here. So here it is.

I will try to explain in a thread by the same name as my handle how all the theoretical information works. All downloaded many years ago in a strange event I will never forget. High volume of post-verbal symbolic information, instantaneously transferred to the mind, but decoded over many many years along with a constant sense of what to do next, what decoys to plant for oppressors, etc.

And now the stage is set for a complete reversal of fortunes. All the greedy and malicious and cruel and soul-less left behind if they cannot make amends.

All the rest on to greener pastures. You will take this reality as real until you are fully thrust out of it, beyond what we are calling awakened here (aware of the sham the status quo is). I am talking about thousands of years of contortion of reality with a single goal. It was like raising the planet earth and a global civilization within it to be a perpetual dissonant energy farm while the privileged would be safe from that fate off-planet.

But just the opposite will come to pass. The worst here on earth and those off-planet will be left behind while the good souls will be moving on.

That is one possible future. The other is the future of reclaiming the planet peacefully and repelling the oppressors (the feeders) once and for good.

Either outcome is fine by me. But the global earth-farm with all of us still stuck will not come to be. It was a clever plan but we do not deserve that fate. They say they have nothing against us but they should look at what is limiting their evolution rather than make such compromises.

Do not blame the programmers because everything was programmed a certain way for a reason. There are no bugs in this reality system.

There may be an "insane" that all agree upon. There may be a "sane" that some think is the way to be, and others believe is what it means to be caught in the illusion.

But there is also an "outsane" which will mean you will see what your role is in working with other unplugged individuals to peacefully build that which will shut down this whole malevolent millenia-spanning plan to be nothing in a few short years.

You had better believe if there is evidence that this plan to escape from the trap is forming beyond a single individual saying it's possible here and there, then more undesirable events will be happening fast and furious to prevent it.

But all the decoys were set up so as to have those events lead only into making matters worse for them. The watchers are all being watched in ways they cannot realize.

I look forward to providing unmistakeable evidence to the Avalon forum in the months and years to come that what I am saying here is very much true and wherever you see similar words of a new way to break out of this mess without taking *any* assistance from an outside hand, then perhaps they might be a trustworthy individual after all. No one is trying to make anyone believe anything. But there has to be a way of successfully approaching other awakened souls with a plan of hope without being distrusted right from the get go.

It sounds like someone trying as hard as they can to get you to believe something. But what it is is someone who had so many strong unplugging events happen to them time after time, year after year, now desperately searching for others with whom they can relate, with whom they can build the way out they've been shown by very benevolent entities who are feeling for the human race and have been for a long time now.

take care everyone, the real me is right there in the vibrations between the words

[Innocent Warrior]

This is one approach gripreaper, to try to change the existing system. Another is to try and fight against it.

I am here advising something different from both those options.
In connection with the previous post, and posts I have made in other threads, the trend is clear that there is a definite "Phase 1" in all this, waking oneself up.
By whatever means.

No one seems to know what Phase 2 is.
I don't come here at all in an attempt to wake people up. People here are already awake.

I don't go peddling ideas to all the many forums out there. Never have. A ghost amongst participants of many-a-forum (are there any here that *only* discuss these matters here are nowhere else?)

There is a reason Bill chose the name Avalon beyond it being a nice name. It symbolizes something that has had many names, the Otherworld, Tir na nog, these are all *symbolic* stories of a place that can be reached, and we can reach it.

I say yes, don't bother trying to awaken others. Find others who are awake and *build* anew with them...

Incredible. Have you thought about writing a book about the download?

Edit: Missed that you are doing a thread about it, sorry. It would still be a good book.

[andrewgreen]

I'd say maximum 1% of people here is awake but most are on the path to being awakened. Like some posters have said if we focus more on ourselves and spiritual progression rather than being emotionally deterred by others, it will have a far more profound effect on them. Everyone is where they are now for a reason, don't judge them and embrace all experience.

[yelik]

I try to enlighten people at every opportunity, they are either interested or they are not, it's up them. Perhaps one in ten may have an interest although most remain trapped in the bubble of deceit by their life long conditioning, debt and misguided views of materialism.

By and large I think the black magic money system cleverly traps people who spend their lives serving it, they simply have not got the time or inclination to research stuff unless something has triggered their interest, perhaps an orb sighting.

Perhaps most people are genetically predisposed to follow and obey authority where our family, friends, education, government and media constantly top it up, a sort of self serving system.

It will take a major event, like a personal experience or official first contact to awaken the masses, even then people will not feel comfortable or want the change, we are creatures of habit looking to survive and live as best we can.

[transiten]

Great guy, great smile this Ralph Smart!

"Those who are asleep can also teach us something!" Soooo true, this is what I'm trying to live by, easily said but...

I would like to post "The Wanderers" with and by Lacy J Dalton here, I've got it in an e-mail from another forum but don't know how to post it here if even possible, here are the lyrics though:

Across the trackless wastes of space and time
Down through the eons we have come
The living river that our spirits ride
A shining bridge from sun to sun

Beyond the broad expanses of the galaxies
The ancient heavens brightly burn
Spanning lightyears we have crossed the cosmic seas
Through endless lifetimes we've returned

We are the Wanderers

Travelling the endless Universe
Purpously forgetting what we were and who we are
Becoming one of you as we were destined to
To bring the light to you
We are the Wanderers

Down through unnumbered ages
Through currents vast and deep
First a whisper then a roaring
We've come to wake you from your sleep

Far beyond the reaches of the brightest stars
The sacred circle was begun
The living words we sing are part of what we are
In everything and everyone

We are the wanderers
Travelling from star to distant star
Purpously forgetting what we were and who we are
Becoming one of you as we were destined to
To bring the light to you
We are the wanderers

Travelling the endless Universe
Awkening your magic with our music and our words
We are the Wanderers

Maybe "First a whisper than a roaring" doesn't vibrate completely with the message of Ralph Smart but this is poetry and must be seen symbolically. The roaring will come in one way or another since we've called it upon ourselves and Mothe Nature is restless for sure.........

[Wind]

I would like to post "The Wanderers" with and by Lacy J Dalton here, I've got it in an e-mail from another forum but don't know how to post it her if even possible

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=766965&viewfull=1#post766965) is the tip how to post Youtube videos. You just need to copy the link and click the "Youtube"-button and copy it there.

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[NicoD]

Please fast forward to around minute 50:00 and watch till the end for pep talk that I hope will help with what you're feeling. _TBLa7WgKGM

[apokalypse]

i'm abit confuse...few people in here said accept who they are or accept they create their own reality but how on earth humanity get out of this mess? how the system going to change for the better? the society got worst and government going extreme controlling the people. At least i would like to see people have some amount of awareness not buying stuff like Left wing-Right Wing politics BS.

i know who they are but how can i accept people doings or their thought is wrong will affect everyone?

[transiten]

I would like to post "The Wanderers" with and by Lacy J Dalton here, I've got it in an e-mail from another forum but don't know how to post it her if even possible

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=766965&viewfull=1#post766965) is the tip how to post Youtube videos. You just need to copy the link and click the "Youtube"-button and copy it there.

77QK2OujzKE

Thanx Wind, I know about this one, great but it's not the whole song you know, anyhow you can imagine the rest with this vid and the lyrics!

[Selkie]

many spot on comments in this post. i have friends who won't even comment on things i send them. things important that we all need to be aware of, false flag info and various corruption etc, they won't even answer, then i send them something on tiger woods or the masters and bingo, there they are.
i think their scared. scared they will be put on a list. if they comment then they are part of it etc. so they delete it
is this what we are now reduced to? scared of our government? we the people? wow! the tail is wagging the dog. where is it all going?

that have happen to me which make me sad...the lady who into Buddhism so i send stuff about spirituality and conditions on earth like consumerism and she not even look at it...i tried talk abit about politics and got told to stop. looking at planet earth right now I'm kind of sad and frustrated...want people to wake up.

i have invite a guy into group discussion debate on religion and he quickly say goodbye because it could change his belief.

Maybe its your approach that is causing the trouble, and not the material you want to impart, itself. You have to pick your moments...when you sense receptivity...and then you have to be gentle about it. And if you sense resistance, then back off or you'll just defeat your purpose.

[Selkie]

Remember in the matrix, some choose to be in their own world. The guy that said he didn't want to be awake?

This is a very good point. Everyone has the right to choose for themselves. If they don't want it, it should not be forced upon them. To do so violates their freedom of choice and shows a terrible lack of respect for their individuality. Trying to "wake them up" might just be adding more stress to their lives, and if that is the case, then I don't blame them for not listening. They have a right to protect themselves from being overloaded, by anyone or anything, and for any reason they see fit.

[transiten]

Remember in the matrix, some choose to be in their own world. The guy that said he didn't want to be awake?

This is a very good point. Everyone has the right to choose for themselves. If they don't want it, it should not be forced upon them. To do so violates their freedom of choice and shows a terrible lack of respect for their individuality. Trying to "wake them up" might just be adding more stress to their lives, and if that is the case, then I don't blame them for not listening. They have a right to protect themselves from being overloaded, by anyone or anything, and for any reason they see fit.

Good point! Many a time I just have to take a break and live in the world of those who are "not awake" since I'm also dependant on other pple, I can't demand that everyone who serves me in one or the other way must be on the same page as me.

Sometimes I even get to the point to question the whole thing and that's good because it makes me understand how the "sleepers" if you want to call them that are feeling. And!! I suppose most pple on this forum once were sleepers themselves, right? Try to remember that.

[Carmody]

Everyone has the right to sleep, or not be awake, yes.

But another person can also bear the right to broadcast the data points that illustrate that the sleeper has been fooled into sleeping and fooled into a downturn into their own slavery. To broadcast the information that the sleeper's death, slavery and ending is actively being pursued by others.

Non-interference in individual positions does not mean non-active, non-participating in revelations and endings of slavery.

In other words I have the right to continue and not give a damn if they want to sleep or not. I'll move right past them, as if they were not there, as, obviously, they are not. They are more akin to a plant, or a shrub, perhaps a lump of rock, or whatnot.

Relationally speaking, with regard to the condition of this planet, in the overall sense, they have relegated themselves to being a contrary mass, or a resistive sludge, by their own choice. I also have the right to see it that way, if I should so desire.

The lesson is to not get involved in sludge that slows the process (excuses for sleeping and comforts) and to move on to the places and situations that make change happen. To always watch for interference in the motion of humanity into clarity... and to sidestep such interference, and actively pursue clarity for self and broadcast the effort to others within that self process.

Put in the work, get it done, or die on the vine - ripe for someone else's plucking.

We may have all been sleepers ourselves at one point or another, yes. But I gave no excuse for myself then, as I give no excuse for others now. This does not mean that I mistreat them, or mistreat myself...what it means is that I do not pander to their weaknesses. As the pandering is entering into the mindset of acceptance of downturn and endings. I try not to emotionalize my weaknesses and act from that position of emotionally enhanced coloring as that is exactly the kind of sludge that is preventing forward motion.

Note very carefully that the entire plethora of situations that are holding humanity back, and misleading humanity...are based on emotional entanglement that binds and blinds reason and logic from seeing the world as it really is.

To not leave emotion behind but to not lead with emotion (via balls and wombs) as the major colorant and shaper of logic and thought.

[Selkie]

...I also have the right to see it that way, if I should so desire.

Well, of course you have that right :)

For myself, I prefer not to divide the world into "them" and "us". I feel less isolated that way, and that is good for me.

[Carmody]

That was and is an emotional projection. Know it, and over time it will release itself from you. the deepest emotionally charged child will slowly learn and if you are lucky, you'll learn to get it to step out of the way.

Humans are SUPPOSED to have biological lives that reach nearly a thousand years.

Essentially, you are still in your childhood, in it's youngest years. That is why you lead with emotion, as the writing of biological life is to allow the avatar to have a structure that functions, and through time and growth, it is shed.

[Selkie]

...And!! I suppose most pple on this forum once were sleepers themselves, right? Try to remember that.

Superb, and thanks :)

[Selkie]

That was and is an emotional projection...

Yes, and it is the very thing that most of the posters are complaining about...they feel isolated and separated from people because they have divided the world up into "awake" and "asleep". The way out of the self-imposed isolation is to realize that we are all human, we all have failings, we all have blind spots, and we all have things to learn from each other...even from the "sludge".

[Carmody]

Think of yourself as a broiler chicken who has never been allowed to grow properly or experience actual life.

That is closer to the truth than it is father from it.

[Selkie]

Think of yourself as a broiler chicken who has never been allowed to grow properly or experience actual life.

That is closer to the truth than it is father from it.

Are you referring specifically to me? Since you are not including quotes, it is hard to tell if you are speaking directly to me, or if you are speaking generally, to everyone.

[Carmody]

Everyone, is the deal, and for the rest of you.... get over yourselves.

Deal with it, grow up a bit ....and get it done, or die on the vine. Individually and collectively.

[Selkie]

Everyone, is the deal, and for the rest of you.... get over yourselves.

Deal with it, grow up a bit ....and get it done, or die on the vine. Individually and collectively.

What is "actual life", Carmody?


Think of yourself as a broiler chicken who has never been allowed to grow properly or experience actual life.

[Carmody]

No matter who you are, no matter your age, no matter your situation in life, every one of you whom is reading this....will have a future that is less emotionally driven, less emotionally colored, less emotionally controlled ----than it is right now.

And that is an inescapable reality.

Consider understanding that point .....and moving toward it, for the clarity and growth it will bring. The control in life direction and expression it will bring, the heights of beauty in emotion it will bring, due to the emotions being under YOUR control. Not the other way around (emotions, autonomous functions in the body/avatar being in control), which it is for about +99.99% of the people reading this, right now.

[Selkie]

No matter who you are, no matter your age, no matter your situation in life, every one of you whom is reading this....will have a future that is less emotionally driven, less emotionally colored, less emotionally controlled ----than it is right now.

And that is an inescapable reality.

Consider understanding that point .....and moving toward it, for the clarity and growth it will bring. The control in life direction and expression it will bring, the heights of beauty in emotion it will bring, due to the emotions being under YOUR control. Not the other way around (emotions, autonomous functions in the body/avatar being in control), which it is for about +99.99% of the people reading this, right now.

I do believe that is just what everyone is working on, right here, right now :)

And thanks for clarifying :)

[Carmody]

Furthermore:
When we 'teach' a child (what we call a child) to not be emotionally bent in public, to stop crying, to stop demanding, to stop being what we call 'wretched' and overwrought, screaming, fighting etc..in public or in private..all we have really achieved is a small change in how emotions are expressed, nothing more.

That 99.99% of the human population is still in that exact state...but just a few inches further down the road.

They have not gone past it, it is still in them, still in control.

It is not progression to a new band or a new instrument or a new dance, or an entirely different field of being....it is just more notes in the same form and function... more angles of view in the same static form.......nothing more.

Still children. Undeveloped. Not even seeking as the need to seek, the knowledge of path and seeking ---even that has been held from them. Along with the primary theft, the one that causes the circle that now exists...the loss of lifespan.

Perpetual childhood and basic reproduction as a holding pattern.

Broiler chicken.

[Selkie]

Furthermore:
When we 'teach' a child (what we call a child) to not be emotionally bent in public, to stop crying, to stop demanding, to stop being what we call 'wretched' and overwrought, screaming, fighting etc..in public or in private..all we have really achieved is a small change in how emotions are expressed, nothing more.

That 99.99% of the human population is still in that exact state...but just a few inches further down the road.

They have not gone past it, it is still in them, still in control.

It is not progression to a new band or a new instrument or a new dance, or an entirely different field of being....it is just more notes in the same form and function... more angles of view in the same static form.......nothing more.

Still children. Undeveloped. Not even seeking as the need to seek, the knowledge of path and seeking ---even that has been held from them. Along with the primary theft, the one that causes the circle that now exists...the loss of lifespan.

Perpetual childhood and basic reproduction as a holding pattern.

Broiler chicken.

Do you count yourself among the 99.99%, or among the .1%?

[colinberry1]

Well first of all you have to be a person who wants to know where exactly you stand in this world and within yourself. I found that I manage to get my answers through LSD, it basically change me totally into the person I am today.

I was hoping that in my retirement I could have gone to Peru, and got involved with the shamans, but unfortunately it wasn't to be, life had something else planned for me.

If I was asked would I have been able to achieve what I have without LSD, my answer would be certainly no, in no way I would have been able to break away from that stereotype mentality which was so ingrained in me.

[Carmody]

Do you count yourself among the 99.99%, or among the .1%?

I flip back and forth between the two states, whenever it feels like time to do so. I need to keep both states fresh and real in mind.

The number is actually more like 0.01% and less.

[jake gittes]

You can jam a stick of dynamite in someone's @$$, light the fuse and tell them they're going to blow to pieces in 10 seconds if they don't take it out, and they won't believe you until someone on TV tells them.

The so-called Oathkeepers -- who continue to neglect keeping their oath -- need to seize control of the airwaves first, then make mass arrests of the cabal and/or sanction them. Then and only then will the masses awaken. And even then, some will sleep right through it.

[Frenchy]

" I'm tired. I know it is the last second of the final minute before midnight, but I'm just too tired to keep on struggling alone. "

Please don't be sad for those who will need to pass this way again, and again, until their soul accumulates the knowledge;
Be joyful in this adventure, there will be fellow-travellers !

Thanks for the part quote I"ve included here, this is how I've been feeling for many years, (even before I awoke !) ;

and, it heartens me to see this viewpoint spoken out :-)

[Frenchy]

Hi !
I am not making any inference to your earth age, but out of curiosity, which year(s) did you see the ships in?
Just asking, 'cos I'm trying to figure out something I am not sure of......

Greetings !

[raregem]

For my sensitive nature, I too, have had years of sadness (very empathic) and frustration regarding being understood or at least accepted for my awareness processing.
I no longer allow the feelings to accompany the reactions of others. I work at being strictly observer while accepting the other person for their state of being regardless of our differences.
I no longer share my excitement about new info and understandings even with my open minded friends. Simply b/c I still find people of all awareness still stuck in certain limited thinking. Myself included. My goal is to BE the walk -not to talk.
I am not very good at explaining myself so it is also b/c I am not good at explaining to people -who's minds are very busy and seem to not hear me. It shorts out my clarity. My perceptions strictly.
I am so grateful now for all these differences. Lots of anger and blame I emoted in private. It has shown me where I thought I had accomplished completion (i.e. Dark night of the Soul, forgiveness etc...). It has brought me a peace and still have caring for others without expectation to the outcome. Always a work in progress at this time. Much better -just takes awareness and effort to lessen the reaction from self.
I like Gregg Braden's "7 Essene Mirrors" video. Especially, the second mirror helped me put in perspective a more comprehensive idea of how and why we are always mirrored in the people we are emotional about.

2 hours plus and worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiBsczafvaA



raregem

[Innocent Warrior]

i'm abit confuse...few people in here said accept who they are or accept they create their own reality but how on earth humanity get out of this mess? how the system going to change for the better? the society got worst and government going extreme controlling the people. At least i would like to see people have some amount of awareness not buying stuff like Left wing-Right Wing politics BS.

i know who they are but how can i accept people doings or their thought is wrong will affect everyone?

A big question but this is how I see it.

We're in a big mess, the sort of mess that forces us to operate from a new level, this is what is meant when we say we need to, "go within" or "look within". Looking within is about seeing our true nature and power. Our true nature is creative and our power (regarding this) is that we truly do create our own reality. We're in this mess because we've been allowing others to form our reality and direct our power for their interests, instead of for everyone's best interests.

By creating our own reality, instead of the reality we've been taught, which is a highly materialistic and limited reality, our potential is great enough to solve any issues we may face. This is done in a multitude of ways, which is what's shared here, and it's accomplished on a personal level first.

[3(C)+me]

When you really think about the process of waking up why would anybody want to?. Your view of reality is now seen as a fantasy. You see how their are "GODS" that are taking steps to harm you in multiple ways in order to keep you enslaved. All the public officials and artists with the one name plastered on the front pages of the MSM are into very dark arts or mind controlled. What you believed last month is seen as a myth, manufactured one. If a person has issues with loss this path will really test them possibility beyond that person's capacity. Losing friends, ideas, old behaviors and habits. The small drip of casting off things you would have bet your life on as true, now gone to be replaced with what? What is a person to do with that? It begins a long slow and sometimes painful path that can have some very real dangers. It's not just knowing this stuff but then the person (often in isolation) has to figure out what they want to do about it. As far as I am concerned some of my sleeper friends are not equipped for the rigors of this path (nor are they remotely interested in it), as far as I am concerned it's not for everyone. One can get very lost and lose it very easily it is like the Buddhist say the path is razor thin.

Love your sleeper friends and accept them as they are.

[betoobig]

I like to share with you all an expeeriment i allready started:
I went to the doctor with the sintoms of the awakening
- Suddenly bad mods (revolting ego)
- High empathy
- Voices in my head ( thoughts)
- Only feeling right beside the love ones (everybody.... almost there)
- Heart pumpping with no reason (adjustments)
- Pressure in the head (high energies in the crown chackra)
.... Well friends, the doctor has send my straight and urgent to psiquiatry!!!
I´ll update the issue for you to enjoy my brothers and sisters

[betoobig]

forgot.... LOVe

Juan

[Bluegreen]

i'm abit confuse...few people in here said accept who they are or accept they create their own reality but how on earth humanity get out of this mess? how the system going to change for the better? the society got worst and government going extreme controlling the people. At least i would like to see people have some amount of awareness not buying stuff like Left wing-Right Wing politics BS.

i know who they are but how can i accept people doings or their thought is wrong will affect everyone?

In the school of life I am still in kindergarten, but I have discovered what works for me:
I have two choices
I can accept people on their own terms
Or not at all
There is no third choice

[Caylen]

This is a most interesting discussion because I think we are all sorting this out at some level or other, even if we are not conscious of it.

Thank you, Innocent Warrior for the video. It was a great sharing on the subject! I think it explained things very well.

I believe that every soul came here for the experience of learning. We are all on individualized programs in classroom Earth so we have different curricula, different learning styles, different speeds of learning, etc. The illusion is that we are separate and therefore need to take responsibility for others' learning (i.e. waking up).

What does "waking up" really mean anyway? Does it mean that we have to acknowledge every bit of the countless forms of life, every possible timeline, every possible history, etc.? Or is it about how to be? If so, which is the right way "to be"?

In The Law of One: Book I, The Ra Material, the entity Hatonn states, "No amount of seeking within the intellectual concepts of your people, no amount of careful planning or careful interpretation of the written or spoken word will lead you to the simple truth." (page 27)
So intellectual knowledge - the knowledge of what the facts are, is not of primary concern here. Whether this or that exists, or whether something happened or not, is not the real issue.

Don Elkins comments afterwards, "The Confederation messages concentrate a great deal upon the concept of seeking and of desire, feeling that the will of each entity is absolutely central to each entity's quest for evolution. In fact, they say, free will is at the foundation of the universe."
My understanding here is that to try to make someone else wake up, according to how we believe, is an infringement on free will.

Hatonn observes earlier (page 25) "Keep uppermost in your mind that the illusion that you experience is an illusion, that it is surrounding you for the purpose of teaching you. It can only teach you if you become aware of its teachings."

So the question becomes, "what do we learn when we encounter people who do not believe us or think that what we have to say is important?"

[Wind]

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[raregem]

I define myself AS THE WORLD :heart:

It is funny (NOW !) at how hard I set up barriers --for 50 plus years- to satiate my victim programming.......Nice reminder video. THANKS SO MUCH!

[triquetra]

Have you thought about writing a book about the download?

Edit: Missed that you are doing a thread about it, sorry. It would still be a good book.

The thread will be the rough draft for the "book". It's nobodies "book", not mine or anyone else's.
We will all be coming into the same kind of state of consciousness as people continue to awaken/ascend/take action in the very ways we are not being goaded into doing.

We're not going to fall for any of the traps.

Edit: IF we stick together and work together.

If there's one thing I've ever been sure of, it's that there's no way I could possibly accomplish what I'm trying to accomplish all on my own.

I've been watching for years as many people have done a good job of waking up but things have been set up intentionally in a way that makes it hard for anyone to know what to do about the situation beyond continuing to wake themselves up.

The information I was provided, I finally realized after years of decoding it, it was information on how to get out of this mess. I am going to try and transfer all that information as quickly as possible, and people can just judge for themselves.

Although I am still struggling to understand it myself, there are some very solid maths and physics behind the ideas in the information, it seems. The information indicates the same thing has been done in different ways over and over again in ancient history.. It's the recurring 'way out' when things are getting too messed up here for souls that truly deserve a better fate..

[apokalypse]

doesn't matter how you spin in we all in together what i called matrix...mediation or any other individuals thought/actions doesn't do it but more of a group thing, i don't want to live this way or society like this. get Off-grid? get off-grid is great thing but society still the same...people need to wake the f up.

these days i mostly more of showing and finding out for themselves instead of telling...I'm really really tired, i can see many of you have same feeling.

[transiten]

just talked to one person who i just knew...she into nature-yoga and listen to Buddhism stuff but moment ago i sent her stuff to read and she kind of pissed off reply "i don't have time to read...i have kids...don't sent stuff anymore...ect" i was in shock when she said that, i tried to talk over but she completely ignore me.

i'm kind of sad right now want to cry not because of event but towards people especially like her...i thought able to share stuff and discuss about it but dead wrong, i want to cry how can people are so ignorance and so focus on physicality? I want to cry because parents are so ignorance teaching kids to become like them turn kids into a robot(the blind leading the blind)...i want to cry people accept current society and society must function this way.

i have talked to many people and they seems to don't care...only 3/10 do care. i'm starting to give up...when the f people to wake up?

I have gone through similar thoughts and feelings as you, and i still do esp when i have crashes from lingering symptoms from Lymedisease. According to The Law Of One channeled by Carla Rueckert who passed away on April 1, in this 3D existance we do not stay "enlightened" or "awake" 24/7. It's a constant work to pick oneself up again from succumbing to the destructive forces. But just like the child who learns to walk, we must not punish ourselves for not succeeding but just "Keep on trying, keep on walking".....

Thing is self pity or disdain for those who are not on our page will not make them more inclined to take interest...

[Rhah]

I can only say that, from my own personal experience, it simply doesn't work to intantly try to convince people of the big picture. They just won't be able to take all of it in and this will only make it harder for you to convince them of anything in the future. Instead, I have found (especially with my friends and close relatives) that I got the best results by first feeding them little tit-bits of information that slowly (and gently) break their belief and trust in government and media.

For as long as they are still totally convinced that the government is there solely to serve and help the people, and that whatever the media says is the truth, you won't be able to convince them of anything else and you'll simply be seen as a raving lunatic that they'll prefer to ignore rather than listen to.
However, once their belief has been broken down (which takes time), and they realise that they're actually being deceived and lied to by government and media, it's much easier to make them aware of what's actually happening around us.

Just my two cents.

[greybeard]

it took many years in fact generations of conditioning for belief structures to be formed.
This runs so deep that it will take time for people to see what is happening in the world.

To the credit of some of the media--I see that all kinds of truth are making it to the daily press.
UFO sightings-- cover up of paedophilia being exposed, even the latest blaming of the German co pilot is now being questioned with some authority--ie airline pilots are coming out with alternative theories..
I am hopeful that the general public are slowly but surely being educated

Chris

[Carmody]

Even Paul Hellyer's accusations of a cabal and aliens has made it to the press. Not just press, but regarding the world stage, a world level press, a major press.


Cabal keeping UFO secrets to blame for world’s woes, says former cabinet minister Paul Hellyer
Global warming just one challenge that could be faced with the extraterrestrial technology, former Liberal defence minster tells Toronto crowd on Saturday. (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/04/11/cabal-keeping-ufo-secrets-to-blame-for-worlds-woes-says-former-cabinet-minister-paul-hellyer.html)

(The 'Toronto Star' newspaper, is one of two major newspapers for the area...and serves a base of over 6 million, besides being witnessed/visited by a notably large part of Canada's population)

That article, as a title is a hard strike at the core of the USA 'dark machine' (and associates). The kind that sends bankers into deep woods enclaves (which we are witnessing) (some being killed), and dark machines.... deeper into the ground.

When the world wakes up, which it is doing...it is going to be pissed off at a level which was heretofore unknown to be possible to exist.

[ulli]

Even Paul Hellyer's accusations of a cabal and aliens has made it to the press. Not just press, but regarding the world stage, a world level press, a major press.


Cabal keeping UFO secrets to blame for world’s woes, says former cabinet minister Paul Hellyer
Global warming just one challenge that could be faced with the extraterrestrial technology, former Liberal defence minster tells Toronto crowd on Saturday. (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/04/11/cabal-keeping-ufo-secrets-to-blame-for-worlds-woes-says-former-cabinet-minister-paul-hellyer.html)

(The 'Toronto Star' newspaper, is one of two major newspapers for the area...and serves a base of over 6 million, besides being witnessed/visited by a notably large part of Canada's population)

That article, as a title is a hard strike at the core of the USA 'dark machine' (and associates). The kind that sends bankers into deep woods enclaves (which we are witnessing) (some being killed), and dark machines.... deeper into the ground.

When the world wakes up, which it is doing...it is going to be pissed off at level which was heretofore unknown to be possible to exist.

What is even better than the news that the Toronto Star gave Hellyer this exposure at last, is the image you paint here, about bankers going into the dark woods...hehe....or maybe better than dark woods, Hellyer's hell.
And so he is living up to his name, which is a superlative of the word hell. May he drive them all into hell where they belong.
Hello, hell, here we come.

[transiten]

I posted the vid with Hellyer on a Swedish astrology forum asking if it was Ok to even if it was not strictly astrology connected...not one has made a comment, and I know several of them personally...this shows for sure how we can live in separate worlds even if we have such a fringe interest common as astrology and I just have to accept this as a fact....

[ulli]

Even Paul Hellyer's accusations of a cabal and aliens has made it to the press. Not just press, but regarding the world stage, a world level press, a major press.


Cabal keeping UFO secrets to blame for world’s woes, says former cabinet minister Paul Hellyer
Global warming just one challenge that could be faced with the extraterrestrial technology, former Liberal defence minster tells Toronto crowd on Saturday. (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/04/11/cabal-keeping-ufo-secrets-to-blame-for-worlds-woes-says-former-cabinet-minister-paul-hellyer.html)

(The 'Toronto Star' newspaper, is one of two major newspapers for the area...and serves a base of over 6 million, besides being witnessed/visited by a notably large part of Canada's population)

That article, as a title is a hard strike at the core of the USA 'dark machine' (and associates). The kind that sends bankers into deep woods enclaves (which we are witnessing) (some being killed), and dark machines.... deeper into the ground.

When the world wakes up, which it is doing...it is going to be pissed off at level which was heretofore unknown to be possible to exist.

What is even better than the news that the Toronto Star gave Hellyer this exposure at last, is the image you paint here, about bankers going into the dark woods...hehe....or maybe better than dark woods, Hellyer's hell.
And so he is living up to his name, which is a superlative of the word hell. May he drive them all into hell where they belong.
Hello, hell, here we come.

I changed my mind about feeling triumphant. Having read the article carefully plus the comments I can see the ridiculing is as strong as ever. Shucks.....

[Carmody]

It is in print, and at such a newspaper. That is a long way from what 'was' yesterday.

Further, I was pleasantly surprised at viewing the comments at this next link.

http://phys.org/news/2015-04-advanced-civilizations-earth-obvious-galaxies.html

I have been tirelessly going after anyone if find, where I can comment and am a member or whatnot, about there being no laws of physics-------- only theory.

I've worked at removing the misconception of law, from the realm of physics theory. It is finally taking hold. People are starting to understand how vital it is to never use the word 'law' when speaking on physics of any kind, in related context.

There are no laws of physics, only theory, which is the only thing that allows for societal change, in the realm of physics and science. Theory means mutable, changeable. Law means punishment for breaking rules.

The LENR patents are getting out, and much more is coming out.... so the 'laws' of physics are finally going away.

It's all happening at the same time, which is the only way it could ever be.

[protoflex]

Tell them to stop drinking tap water, and filter the water they get from anywhere else. I used to think bottled water was as safe as anything. Turns out it has poison in it too. Some not so much. I'd like to think reverse osmosis was pretty good, but then had some people criticize it for everything it's worth.

Fluoride and other chemicals in water and food are distorting the bridges that connect us with our spirit. The Native Americans seen this turmoil in the works ages ago. Also, cellphones, and any electrical transmitting device emits low frequencies that bombard our electromagnetic energy field to the point we can barely tell which way is up.

People are blind. They only see, they can't hear ****!

Kymatica...

Tell them to watch this video, and then turn around and tell you they don't have time...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZm03ZoF08

When our senses get flooded with distortion, a certain mechanism in our bodies and minds will raise the senses to a higher state in an attempt to block this distortion. People become unaware/confused with what is the distortion and what is normal stimuli. Then they will begin to block almost everything. Until they can no longer see, much less feel real stimuli. They only react to the distortion adequately enough to stay afloat.

[betoobig]

I found this info very interiesting and right on the topic. They talk about the nine veils and how there are people who can´t see through them, or they may have passed the first and , still, can´t see trhough the rest, etc...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_consciousuniverse546.htm

LOVE
Juan

[ulli]

It is in print, and at such a newspaper. That is a long way from what 'was' yesterday.

Further, I was pleasantly surprised at viewing the comments at this next link.

http://phys.org/news/2015-04-advanced-civilizations-earth-obvious-galaxies.html

I have been tirelessly going after anyone if find, where I can comment and am a member or whatnot, about there being no laws of physics-------- only theory.

I've worked at removing the misconception of law, from the realm of physics theory. It is finally taking hold. People are starting to understand how vital it is to never use the word 'law' when speaking on physics of any kind, in related context.

There are no laws of physics, only theory, which is the only thing that allows for societal change, in the realm of physics and science. Theory means mutable, changeable. Law means punishment for breaking rules.

The LENR patents are getting out, and much more is coming out.... so the 'laws' of physics are finally going away.

It's all happening at the same time, which is the only way it could ever be.

This post needs bumping.
There are no laws in physics, only theories.
So true.

What makes people believe in these theories to the point that they appear like laws is the consensus in the scientific world of so-called scientists.

Their aversion to any opposing theory is something to behold, as I experienced myself when challenged with by astronomers hostile towards astrologers.

Yet, there is an extraordinary amount of evidence which would elevate astrology to a status of real science.

When American astrologer Evangeline Adams had to appear in court during the 1930s for practicing astrology at a time when it was still illegal, the case was dismissed after she convinced the judge. She had offered to read a chart of someone she did not know but he did. So he gave her the birth data of his son, whose personality she then proceeded to described with accuracy.

[Sean]

just talked to one person who i just knew...she into nature-yoga and listen to Buddhism stuff but moment ago i sent her stuff to read and she kind of pissed off reply "i don't have time to read...i have kids...don't sent stuff anymore...ect" i was in shock when she said that, i tried to talk over but she completely ignore me.

i'm kind of sad right now want to cry not because of event but towards people especially like her...i thought able to share stuff and discuss about it but dead wrong, i want to cry how can people are so ignorance and so focus on physicality? I want to cry because parents are so ignorance teaching kids to become like them turn kids into a robot(the blind leading the blind)...i want to cry people accept current society and society must function this way.

i have talked to many people and they seems to don't care...only 3/10 do care. i'm starting to give up...when the f people to wake up?


It's amazing..how many "spiritual" people aren't so spiritual if you challenge their worldview.

I recently had a conversation with a woman I met at a party. She described herself as a "healer" who homeschools her kids. described herself as "technically" jewish(her words). conversation was great until we get to politics(you can guess where this is going) and we get on the subject of Israel/Palestine. I criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians re: the war last summer.

She wasn't "technically" jewish after that. She launches into a full-throated, almost wild-eyed, defense of Israel and claimed that all civilian casualties were because Hamas intentionally put people in harm's way. It was textbook,rote, by-the-numbers zionism 101. She didn't want to hear about 4 kids dead on a beach because an Israeli gunboat intentionally targeted them. When I mentioned Israel's nukes, she defended that because of the tunnels hamas uses to ferry supplies/weapons(it must be said) into gaza from Egypt, etc. And on and on.

You'll find, OP, that many of the "alternative-thinkers", and "spiritual" people are nothing of the kind. they wear that skin, but they're not about that life.

At all.

[Selkie]

...It's amazing..how many "spiritual" people aren't so spiritual if you challenge their worldview...You'll find, OP, that many of the "alternative-thinkers", and "spiritual" people are nothing of the kind. they wear that skin, but they're not about that life.

At all.

That is a fact, w.a.

p.s. For myself, I am almost done with letting world-views get in the way of my enjoyment of people. I simply don't care, anymore, and it feels really good to be there :sun::flower:

[apokalypse]

It's amazing..how many "spiritual" people aren't so spiritual if you challenge their worldview.

I recently had a conversation with a woman I met at a party. She described herself as a "healer" who homeschools her kids. described herself as "technically" jewish(her words). conversation was great until we get to politics(you can guess where this is going) and we get on the subject of Israel/Palestine. I criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians re: the war last summer.

She wasn't "technically" jewish after that. She launches into a full-throated, almost wild-eyed, defense of Israel and claimed that all civilian casualties were because Hamas intentionally put people in harm's way. It was textbook,rote, by-the-numbers zionism 101. She didn't want to hear about 4 kids dead on a beach because an Israeli gunboat intentionally targeted them. When I mentioned Israel's nukes, she defended that because of the tunnels hamas uses to ferry supplies/weapons(it must be said) into gaza from Egypt, etc. And on and on.

You'll find, OP, that many of the "alternative-thinkers", and "spiritual" people are nothing of the kind. they wear that skin, but they're not about that life.

At all.

damn right workingactor, i have meet few of those type and they exploded on me..one person told me to pissed off and stop lecturing but all i do is share my thought on the subject like how bad is education system-spiritual... ect.

[triquetra]

One of the most important trends happening these days may be more visible in youth than in older generations. This is the trend towards the "meta".

It's important to understand that this only becomes possible once people begin defaulting more to the 3rd party perspective than the 1st party.
Some meditation systems teach this and also teach how to switch 1st, 2nd (experiencing reality 'as' someone else, usually someone you are interacting with at the moment) and 3rd when so desired.

But broadly the capability of 3rd party perspective was not very common outside of training systems of some kind. The fact that 100th monkey effect is making this become natural is very important.

Getting back to


doesn't matter how you spin in we all in together what i called matrix...mediation or any other individuals thought/actions doesn't do it but more of a group thing, i don't want to live this way or society like this. get Off-grid? get off-grid is great thing but society still the same...people need to wake the f up.

these days i mostly more of showing and finding out for themselves instead of telling...I'm really really tired, i can see many of you have same feeling.

That is a very natural feeling for this moment. You can see many examples of "off-grid" and even "off-planet" solutions and you are right they are missing the point.
If I started to describe my mission here it would sound similarly escapist, but the truth is deeper than that.

It was interesting to see that at least one forum member knew the term "harmonic lattice" because it confirmed this knowledge has spread but I imagine many receivers stay on the down low. They need to see how the information would translate into action.

So I spent some time thinking about how to introduce the topic. I think the best way is this:

There will be new technology arriving starting this year that will make it very obvious who is operating on a higher or lower level of vibration, all depending on how they interact with the technology. This will all be scientifically valid as you can measure it all very easily with readily available biofeedback equipment.

Now to understand the context here, you have to look back at all the evidence of suppression of wave-physics-based technology. This suppression has been ongoing for over a century.

It's incredible that it's worked, people believe in a physical model of reality that is incredibly tilted in favor of the particle, our understanding of wave properties of reality may have peaked at different moments historically in different regards, once in the Renaissance, once before WWI, once in the late 70s, and now an all time low for understanding for recent times - we are very much in the dark about it.

So it's going to be very hard to believe at first all the things that can be done with careful manipulation of the properties of waveforms, because no one has any reference point.

But here in this topic I have what I feel is an answer to that question ("what it take people to wake up"). The answer is: just have them interact with some of this emerging technology, or better yet, have them witness someone who IS awake interact with it. Do both, so they can see the difference.

They will start to look at themselves and their highly dissonant state.

You could talk about preventing being subjected to dissonance sources like fluoride (pineal calcification), electronic device interference, low vibration food, low vibration water, but at the same time there is a middle ground to tread when availability of pure things might start to dwindle - people need to avoid quarantining themselves too, just in case.

What it's more about is building up inner resistance, the way red blood cells and the immune system work together to resist known bacterias, etc.

Now this technology will have a very restorative force as it will reharmonize people biologically, again, in ways that are easily measurable with instruments that anyone can buy today.

People will start to care about the stability of their brainwave cycles, their heart rate, their muscle tension, and so on. Even some companies will help push reality in this positive direction.

But the technology will shoot off in a direction no one could expect. For people continuing into highly awakened states, some of the more synaesthetic effects of advanced wave technology will have some incredible effects. I wish I could explain what those kind of effects are actually like, but there is a point where the words just fall away (synaesthesia is usually such a point).

Again, it looks bad now, it sure does. But there will be a new kind of fear beginning this year. That's the fear of all those who took the bait in this reality and compromised their own conscience and sense of morality for some kind of short term gain. For those who stay stuck in that extremely low vibration mode of operation for too long, I can't say that things will go very well for them. There will be a big scrambling to "make up" for those actions.

But for those continuing already with a high vibration and going still higher, even though they are now even more affected by the negative aspects of reality than anyone else (because they are more sensitive to it at that higher vibration), they will have things work out very well for them indeed when the tides begin to turn around in the next few years.

Is it hard to believe that this change will begin in only the next few years? Probably, after all the people going on about 2012. They had reason to, but it's important to realize that the date 2012 was only important behind the scenes. Because reality gets decided in big ways before the 'present moment', what happened up until 2012 had a big effect on how 2012-2015 and also 2015-on (with diminishing influence the further in the future you go) will end up being. The Mayans did understand this.

So yes, it's not so important to worry about what it take people to wake up anymore. That was a big thing 2001-now because there had to be that initial wave to gain critical mass later on. Now, things are shifting over to the tools that awakened people will build, to go much, much further.

[CD7]

Now, things are shifting over to the tools that awakened people will build, to go much, much further.




IF ONLY.....the day these words are not only text but happening allaround....:)

[Peace of Mind]

The youth will always be the hope; they are the real “answer holders” to the future. Many adults are too set in their ways; their minds were already pre-conditioned to accept life as it is. Many of us adults developed into incompetent complaining procrastinators making excuses to be useless. The youth have all the motivation, they are born with untrained mindsets which gives them creative resilience simply because of their (yet to be trained) thinking.
The future starts right now; if you truly want a real authentic glance into the future…just take a look at what’s happening now… whatever is done (or not done) today is the only way to create tomorrow "the future". The youth are born ready with all the potential and tools necessary to bring about positive change for the world (just listen to them talk), unfortunately, it’s the parents upbringing that disempowers them by instilling in them false standards/entitlements, fears, and constant force feeding of flawed and harmful ideologies.

To expect a thriving future in this world while it’s operating in an ill state of mind… is a great example of an unhealthy mind/illusion, it’s a forged inception of prosperity through struggle…where the strugglers hardly emerge as being provoked.

Peace

[triquetra]

To expect a thriving future in this world while it’s operating in an ill state of mind… is a great example of an unhealthy mind/illusion, it’s a forged inception of prosperity through struggle…where the strugglers hardly emerge as being provoked.

Yes that is so true, it's why blind optimism is probably even more dangerous than indifference or pessimism.

So you have two counter currents, the answer here is the restorative current building away from the status quo, it's not something that will be apparent right away.

You can't build independently of the system because the system creeps up on you, no matter how remotely you live away from civilization.

There is a kind of deviant mission to bring the planet into a kind of limbo that is neither so sick that it causes everyone to perish, nor so healthy that is allows people to thrive.

This has been carried on for hundreds or thousands of years in more or less subtle ways, similar to the way you would start a factory farm with just a small amount of livestock.

Those assisting in this have been promised to be exceptions of this process, getting so far away from it that they can forget about it and feel that it is for a greater good.

Again, what they did not realize is that it's the planet itself which is key in events coming in the future, nowhere else will do - nowhere but the surface of this planet.

It's hard to know all of the details about how things played out in the past, and what the exact plan was for the future, but the timeline has been swept into a different direction more appropriate for the coming of the 6th sun.

Whether this leads to an exodus or a reclaiming of the planet, it is still too soon to tell. Either way, the seemingly insurmountable degree of oppression evident all around us in the present is not something that can be perpetuated for much longer.

It is a struggle to try to fight against the system as it is. That is not a cause that can be won. It's too well-established.
But it is perfectly possible to build through and out from the old system a new system built entirely by and for people operating at a higher vibration.

That term (vibration as a state of being) has been bounced around so much in recent circles, but there is very much a way to measure this in people. It's something quite literal and measurable with instruments that capture various biosignals.

The biggest challenge to come is actually first an internal one - to help people gain their own reharmonized state of being. Part of this is mental/spiritual and the other part is physical.

Once this is improved for someone their capacity to achieve a stronger collective consciousness with others who are also in that harmonized state of being is vastly increased.

Sharing this state with others has a number of very beneficial side effects, including vastly extended means of communicating with one another (both at the informational and emotional levels).

It's too much to explain what this kind of a trend then goes on to lead to. It's definitely years away still.

But in the meantime, it all starts with opening up to the possibility of believing something like this can and will happen. It will be carried forward as a movement by youth who are tired of all the ways of improving the human condition that don't seem to change anything.

They are already realizing that it is more about working to expand a new collective of souls who wish to operate independently of the old low vibrational soul group, especially if they cannot be helped to awaken and will not awaken on their own.

I know it is hard to believe. The sheer amount of incoming information will hopefully help to make it easier to believe that this is not only possible, but probable.