Question about visualization

[zippy]

Hi guys,
I had an interesting conversation with a friend this morning. We were talking about visualization and how this helps to make things to become true in actual life. The question came up what's happening if our imagination is so good that our brain thinks this what we envisioned happened in our reality. For example I visualize being somewhere at the seaside having a good time and the pictures I see and emotions I feel are so real that my consciousness thinks I'm really there. Wouldn't this be an obstacle for me to get there in my real, actual life? Any ideas?

[Sirius White]

Why would it be an obstacle?

[zippy]

Why would it be an obstacle?

Because I'm only there in my imagination, not in reality ...

[Guish]

Don't get attached to a vision or experience. You will stop asking yourself the question. How you feel about the world in general gives the notion of duality. Right or wrong, positive or negative. Things are just as they are. Does it matter if you visualize the sea or actually go there? Just be in the moment my friend. If you visualize or think too much, you may be missing the present moment.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This thread is pretty interesting. The simpler the question, the tougher it is :)

Being fairly undeveloped myself, I must point you on to a better thinker;
a diamond in the rough taken from us too soon, Mr Frank Herbert.

Frank Herbert was a PNW geeky type who came all the way out of his shell to do lots of different jobs.
Dividing necessity from luxury was a skill he picked up while doing these odd jobs.

He became very interested in Zen philosophy, and he dealt with more than a few Zen ideas (and some of his own) throughout the DUNE series (and other books).
In fact most chapters are headed by some Zen quote or other :)

One of the reasons Herbert studied eastern philosophy was because he was troubled by visions of the future.
He wrote this conflict into the lives of his characters Paul Atreides and Leto Atreides.

Psychic vision is the factor for him that is ultimately unbalancing.
The grandfather Leto I lacked this overt/willful psychic power or vision.
He followed his heart and the law, which was his idea of noble balance.

But given the factor of precognition, the human regresses into a form of savagery in DUNE,
unless this talent is carefully trained and disciplined... (i.e. Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu)


When young Paul Atreides sees visions of the future, most of them are mutable, changing,
except for one: the Golden Path.

To Paul Atreides and his son Leto II, the Golden Path is a bit of a conundrum.
Both characters understand that prophecy can be a trap as well as salvation.


Which brings us straight back to the Zen principles of "Does it matter" lol

[Peace of Mind]

Hi,

The only obstacles are the ones you create for yourself. If you’re identifying your obstacles as oppression by others…well, why do you allow them to hinder your will power? Fear holds people back, BIG TIME. It’ such a weak emotion, actually it only exist to serve as an indicator to your “being”, A valuable lesson is rooted in that moment. Fear is of the unknown, that’s it. People fear their own governments when they are actually being controlled by a handful of cowards hiding behind the scenes manipulating the weak minded to do their bidding. Fear is what truly governs the masses.

Now, Visualizing is the means to creating the world you live in. If you can imagine it…eventually you’ll be able to perceive it in your reality. Reality is THE manifestation of thoughts; everything in life is a perfect example of our collective thoughts. Your emotional discharge towards a subject/object/logic hastens the materialization. Your intentions/focus is where your reality truly begins. Many people struggle because they’re bombarded by negativity; they are tricked into consuming distrustful information (daily). Many people don’t even know who they are…They are so unsure of themselves that anyone can tell them anything and they will trust it (without recognizing any of the truths/lies attached to it). This causes them to be uneasy, ultimately surmised to dis-eased states (mentally/physically). They complain often, go into seclusion, pray for saviors, and develop into a being of intolerance and incompetence. These people are more dangerous than the manipulators. Their minds are being used to portal realities of others. You’re most likely a trouble/distressed soul if you easily trust what you can’t authenticate on a personal level.

Many can’t manifest what they desire because they were constantly subconsciously disempowered. People telling other people what their limits are… is a successfully dated practice. I see this all the time. Generalizations, egotism, deceit, envy, and confined thinking has always hindered societies. For example, many people like to watch TV, so the tell-lie-vision fashions their mindset. The sitcoms, cartoons, reality shows are all “programs”. They even admit it when your signal gets disrupted (we will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming) The news channels are the worse, and they are famous for reporting negativity (murders, crime, health issues, economic hardship, corruption, wars, etc..). It’s mostly all fear mongering/propaganda.

How many people watching the news …was actually experiencing any of it? Hmmm….What happens is when you allow yourself to steadily absorb such info (much of it unconfirmed BS) you will eventually invite these uncomfortable scenarios into your space. You’ll become conditioned to become another idled soul, and will most likely find nothing wrong with that. What happens when a person sits by talking about the same thing year after year… they just end up having nothing to show for all that lost time and misused energy (Open your eyes and look around). Unfortunately, these people always wither away into obscurity, become the non-believers they choose to be, they’re irrelevant and pretend to be fine with that….yet imagine themselves to be something special…by doing nothing other than watching and waiting…. A well designed plan for control.

Soooo…Keep the masses in fear mode is how to control them. The Inception is on a grander scale than you may think.

All that said... Pleeease take more notice if you’re finding it hard to do something simple… like enjoying a day at the beach.

Peace

[Violet]

Why would it be an obstacle?

Because I'm only there in my imagination, not in reality ...

You can be in two places at different times and at the same time, you know.

Adding this from a song called "Pictures Of You" by the Cure:

I've been looking so long at these pictures of you
That I almost believe that they're real
I've been living so long with my pictures of you
That I almost believe that the pictures are
All I can feel

[zippy]

This thread is pretty interesting. The simpler the question, the tougher it is :)

Yeah, you're right! It's getting more and more interesting!

[greybeard]

I don't have the ability to mentally visualise.
However years ago I wanted a particular item.
It was not affordable at that time as it was quite expensive.
I got a picture of it stuck it up on the wall with the statement-- This is mine and then a date three year in advance.
I got it on the date I put down---however after a fairly short period I realised it did not match my expectation and sold it.

Now I am at a point where I have surrendered my will to Higher Power and everything I need comes into my life.
Not everything perhaps, that I would prefer but I want for nothing---basic needs being well met.

The priorities have changed completely
From a spiritual perspective I want to know the Truth.
Enlightenment in other words.

Chris

[Guish]

Why would it be an obstacle?

Because I'm only there in my imagination, not in reality ...

You can be in two places at different times and at the same time, you know.

Adding this from a song called "Pictures Of You" by the Cure:

I've been looking so long at these pictures of you
That I almost believe that they're real
I've been living so long with my pictures of you
That I almost believe that the pictures are
All I can feel



One of my favorites.

UmFFTkjs-O0

[Rich]

What matters (turns to matter) is what you believe, you said ''I'm not really there it's only my imagination'' so you are saying it is not real and life will reflect that belief...
I have done it many different ways, it doesn't matter how you do it but if you believe it.

[Sirius White]

Why would it be an obstacle?

Because I'm only there in my imagination, not in reality ...

What is imagination? What is thought?

Physical reality is literally ideomaterial. A product of thought.

You'd be hard pressed to find out, there isn't much of an actual difference between you being on that beach in a dream, and being there in "real life."

The longer you can sustain such a visualization with vivid detail and reality, as if in with certainty- the more likely it will become a reality in your life. There are elements missing to visualization practice to cause things to materialize...that takes time....but is a natural mechanism in the human being. The human being generates physical reality as he observes it.

I would suggest applying this kind of thing to actual, physical objects.....you will be surprised.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Hi guys,
Wouldn't this be an obstacle for me to get there in my real, actual life? Any ideas?

Your brain isn't what manifests things. Consciousness is, and consciousness does not exist only in your body. It's outside of your body too. Which ties into a major esoteric truth, that there is no difference between "inside" and "outside."

Anyway when you train your brain, or communicate to your subconscious in images in this way, you're telling you brain/subconscious, "This is normal. This happens. I experience these things." Which sends messages that this is neither above or below you, but that you deserve this. I would just caution against loaded words such as "deserve," but that's the general idea nonetheless.

What greybeard posted above is a perfect example of how this works. I had a similar experience recently with a coat. I was planning on spending $230 on a nice coat, put a lot of energy into it, but then at the last minute got "fuzzy" on if this was really the right coat for me. I then found another one for $6 that was just as good (on winter clearance and normally cost $80). :P Knowing exactly what you REALLY want seems to be trickier than actually getting it.

The blockages weasel in with words like "deserve." People start questioning if this is not the lifestyle of some "more successful" person, etc., which is a lot of crap and useless thinking. The way consciousness works to manifest experiences does not take these kinds of things into account.

[Suriel]

Visualization is important. You can create a blueprint in a higher dimension. Draw upon those energies into your 3d reality experience. If you can imagine then you are creating. You are a creator. So tap into those energies. Learn more about your higher dimensional self. Do this through meditation.

[Michelle Marie]

Visualization works!

Here's a real life story...I was NOT creating consciously, on purpose, yet.

I was a teacher walking my students back to class after lunch. A few were being particularly mischievous so I just decided to imagine I was at the beach. This was in Florida on the east coast; the beach wasn't far away. I was really there in my imagination. I felt the warm sand on my feet. I smelled the moist salty air. I felt the sun on my face.

Well, after we got back to class and finished the math test, two girls got in a fight. I put my arm between them, and one bit me on my arm. The admin came in and said I must leave on workman's comp and go get a tetanus shot. Everything happened really fast. When it was over, I went to the beach. Within 1 - 2 hours!

I discovered visioning with reliable results through reverse engineering of my own experiences.

Once I wanted a hot tub, but didn't have the funds. This time it was on purpose to manifest a hot tub. I imagined I was really in my new hot tub. Felt it, smelled it, felt the warmth, and really enjoyed it...in my imagination. Next day, a friend called. He asked me if I would like a hot tub. He explained that he coul get it for a trade and give it to me. For exchange I could do a workshop at his inn. I got the hot tub!

If you tell your subconscious mind you are having the experience, it creates it. Being in the experience with your whole being and senses creates it.

Now we don't have to theorize -- we can just do it. Let's hear how this has worked for others and make more experiences that we choose!!!

Love you all,
Michelle Marie

[Meggings]

Might I add a small anecdote, that surprisingly links in a tiny way to the thread on the "Being There" Peter Sellers movie?

One early winter evening I was at my farm feeding the horses and doing barn chores before returning home for supper (a half hour drive away). I was sweeping a thin layer of snow off the entrance to the farmhouse before leaving, and was in a quiet inner state. As I swept, a wisp of memory of a movie I'd seen over a decade earlier drifted into my mind. I had liked the movie where Peter Sellers walked on water at the end, and felt a tiny sweet desire to see it again, even though I did not remember the movie's name from so many years earlier. I FELT AN ENERGY LEAVE ME AND GO OUT INTO THE WORLD when I felt that fleeting, mild desire-thought of "Wouldn't it be nice to see that movie again." I paused in my sweeping as I contemplated my notice of energy leaving me, carrying that small sweet desire.

Returning home and having had supper, I turned on the satellite TV and was quietly amazed to find "Being There" coming up to view. I got to see the movie that only two hours earlier I had sent a package of energy-desire out into the universe to see. It was quite stunning to know I created the movie being shown in my world. It gives one pause about the nature of time and how malleable reality is.

This made a deep impression on me for I had felt the energy actually leave me - akin to the bible line where Jesus said he discerned "virtue had gone out of him" ... that is what I thought of at the time.

[Guish]

Please excuse me from bumping the thread. Two days ago, a teacher form my faculty phoned me to tell me that her father was very sick (last stage of cancer). She went to Virginia ASAP. On the night, I went in a trance while practising my normal meditation and visualized her father. I also visualized white healing light comforting him. I got an e-mail from her today saying that her father is much better. Consciousness works in crazy ways.