Michael Salla Gives His Take on GoodETxSG's Reports

[Fellow Aspirant]

Hi All

I feel I must interject here with a supplement to my original post, in a hopeful attempt to clarify my intent and position with respect to it.

Firstly, the “Blue Avians”: while I thank those members who have supplied valuable information about ‘The Aviary’, the “Blue Avians” of which Corey Goode speaks are not human. The name may have been incorporated by Goode to describe the entities involved in his story, but that’s about where the similarities end. Goode’s are far more fantastic:

In his recounting, the Blue Avians are higher density in nature, even as high as 8th or 9th . They assume the form of actual birdlike creatures, with bird heads clad in shimmering indigo/violet feathers; they have entered our solar system accompanied by hundreds of planet-sized orbs (devices) that are now “cloaked” and waiting for …? The Blue Avians do not use these things as vehicles because they travel from place to place instantaneously on the basis of thought – they think about where they want to go and immediately occupy that position in time and or space.
Their mission is to put a stop to the negative behaviour of any and all entities concerned with earth. Among other things. Whew! A tall order. At least, that’s my take on the story. :confused:

Wilcock identified the “message” of these entities as being the same as those channelled by his (recently deceased) former partner, Carla Rueckert, which were published as ‘The Law of One’. So that’s a possible reason for why he is on board with the Blue Avian saga.

Now, on to the reasons for the post …

I had, as more than one member subsequently noted, avoided bringing up the issue of why GoodET had left the forum. This was intentional, of course. I didn’t want to muddy the waters. I didn't know WHY he had left. I mentioned that GoodET had been a member of the forum as a memory aid to those who were already familiar with the man.

He had been brought to the attention of the forum by Bill himself, of course, who described him in his opening of the original thread as ‘a major new whistleblower’. I am always willing to listen to those that Bill and Christine are interested in, but their interest is never a guarantee of authenticity. Still, he finds some really great sources, and you never know (as I’m sure Bill would agree) which ones will pan out as truly valuable. That’s why Project Avalon exists: to let us all have a look at interesting stuff, and exchange our views about it.

That said, it was my intent that we would focus our attention on the message of Dr. Michael Salla, as he relayed the information he had received from Corey Goode (AKA GoodETxSG, Luke). I wanted to see the reaction to the news that a well known researcher had bought into the story.

Then there was David Wilcock, always a focus of controversy around here. I see now that any hope of keeping Goode’s connection (and disconnection) with the Forum out of the actual discussion was a misguided one. The mere mention of GoodETxSG elicited such strong responses that I should have limited my notice to Salla and Wilcock. I apologize to the membership for creating such a confusing mess. I was offline for some weeks when the SHTF, and I was not up to speed on the events. I’m not sure what went on behind the scenes, but the upshot was that, as reported by Goode, he decided to sever his ties with Avalon.

At the time I was inclined to put Goode’s response down to an overreaction to a personal slight and hoped that he would forget about it and move on. He moved on, yes, but as I caught up with his posts on other sites and forums, I was dismayed to see that, to this day, even months later, he still bears a grudge, taking any opportunity (and even creating some) to disparage Bill’s character. His position vis-à-vis Bill seems to have become quite bitter. That said, I was still willing to pay attention to what he had to say about his experiences in the Secret Space Program, which I still find fascinating. I like to keep as many balls in the air as possible, for as long as possible.

I also love a good story (pun intended) and will hold in abeyance my judgement regarding its truthfulness. Goode’s vitriol towards Bill seems like a very personal one, however, even though I can detect no animosity ever directed at Goode by Bill, so I put it aside as something between them.

It became more engrossing, however, when David Wilcock and then Dr. Michael Salla started paying attention to what Goode was saying. They are presumably in a better position than I to discern the possible kernels of truth (if there are any) in Goode’s testimony. It was at this point that I decided to bring it to the attention of the members of the forum, to see what comments would be forthcoming. I look forward to the ongoing reactions to the involvement of these two researchers.

I have always believed that this group, as a whole, is able to point out problems and shortcomings that I am not able to pick out. The forum process serves to amplify both truth and deceit in stories, relating other information and experiences that help me (and us) to “discern” in the best possible way.

This I will continue to do, whether the testimony under scrutiny is that of Salla, Alfred Lambremont Weber, Simon Parkes, Randy Cramer, David Wilcock or, of course, Corey Goode. In the matter of Goode, I find a couple of things that weigh against his credibility: his self-admitted past as a mind control victim, and his need to attack Bill. As mentioned, his axe grinding must be based on a deep grievance that I really don’t care to discover. I find his inability to ‘move on’, though, colours my sense of his objectivity. It seems that, in words from Hamlet, he “doth protest too much”.

What gold Wilcock and Salla find in his testimony to warrant their publication I do not know, but I am, as always, fascinated while I wait for the other shoe to drop.
And so, my dear Avalonians, back to you once more.

Brian

Original Post:

A couple of days ago, Dr. Michael Salla posted a piece on his site about his take on the insider info revealed by Good ETxSG, whom most of you will recall was once an active member of this forum. Salla's piece does a really good job of giving an overview of GoodETxDG's testimony, which has become rather jaw-dropping in just the last couple of days. If you haven't consulted his writings for awhile, I would strongly recommend that you update yourself ASAP. According to him, there have been some truly astonishing developments that "may" have repercussions for this planet and its inhabitants in the very near future. (IMHO 2017 makes sense - especially as it was the year given by Bob Dean during one of his later interviews.)


Here's Salla's page:

http://exopolitics.org/author/dr-michael-salla/

More on GoodET's progress:

Even after starting is own website,

http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.ca/

GoodET has since been in contact with a number of other alternative media types in order to broaden the audience for his message. He has been working closely with David Wilcock, for example, who is about to release a huge "dump" of the info he has collated and organized on GoodET's behalf. On his Divine Cosmos site, Wilcock gives his take on GoodET's info as:

" All of the insider info I had gathered over the preceding 22 years had come together -- brilliantly and unexpectedly.

Knowledge and information I had kept very quiet was suddenly flooding back into my mind as each new topic of discussion arose.

This one guy knew almost as much as all the others had told me combined."

Here's the link:

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1176-carla-graduation

The top of Wilcock's page concerns the recent passing of Carla Rueckert, who was made famous with the publishing of "The Law of One". Wilcock spends a lot of time on his page describing his relationship with the teachings of 'The Law of One', which, as far as this post is concerned, serves as an introduction to GoodET's latest info, because here's where it gets even better: the info that Rueckert was channeling from "Ra" about the natural order of the universe, seems to have come from one of the groups of beings that GoodET talks about as having arrived in our solar system and on our planet to put an end to the dischord between the White Hats and the Black Hats. GoodET refers to them as 'Blue Avians', entities that were depicted on the walls of Egyptian tombs with bird heads. On his page, (you'll have to scroll quite a ways down), Wilcock finally talks about his relationship with GoodET under the heading ...

THE NEW INSIDER "LUKE"

A new insider, who we have been calling Luke, sent his first contact letter to Benjamin Fulford and me, simultaneously, on October 13, 2014.

"Luke", of course, being yet another of GoodET's pseudonyms.

I am eagerly anticipating Wilcock's publishing of GoodET's material.

GoodET is also a member and frequent poster (answering questions there as he used to do here) on the site titled "The One Truth". link here:

http://jandeane81.com/index.php?

The thread he is most active on is found under the title "Conspiracy Research", and is, more specifically, named ...

"Secret Space Program, ET Federation Delegation & Milab "Experiencer", GoodETxSG "Q&A"

As usual, there's a lot to digest.

Namaste,

Brian

[Omni]

I think this blog has an interesting take on the avians. From an alleged illuminati insider: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html


There has been a lot of talk around the Internet about "Blue Avians" and this is rather laughable. "Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example)

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, Omniverse, this is from the blogger who calls himself "theruiner". Corey has written a response to this person's thoughts on "The One Truth" thread, which is referenced above. He states:

Yes, this is one of my lovely stalkers. I know exactly who it is.They have made such a nuisance of themselves that I have had to add them to the list of trolls/stalkers that I am following on an online service. That number has sadly grown.

I know what some may be thinking, No.. I do not immediately label anyone who disagree's with me as a "Troll" or a "Stalker"... I let their actions speak as loud as their words. When I am attacked across several mediums and through several people it then becomes something more than just a person with a strong but different opinion.

I was warned but I had no idea how many mentally ill people gravitated to these forums and this "field" in general. "There is a fine line between genius and insanity" and some of these people are quite clever. It not only gives me a new respect for what forum staff members have to deal with on a daily basis but also explains why disclosure has been so damaged over the years (Beyond what the 5 "i's" and other groups could do on their own, "The people factor")...

It is comforting to know that these types only represent less than 1% of the total number of people on these Forums and Following this Field Over All Though, And most are very supportive or if the info smell like "Poo" to them they just shake their heads and move on. "Internet Anonymity" has only enhanced certain psychological pathologies in that "less than 1%" though...

I have been given good advice by some people that have been in this field for some time and have the resources to track and locate these people (Usually pretty easily and quickly) to add to the tracking service to make sure they do not get out of hand (All of their "Real Life" personal info).

I have had ONE STALKER who was so bad that I had to report them to their local "LEO's" (Law Enforcement) already. It also turned out that they were doing some posting from their job or work assets and I have info printed out ready to "Fed-Ex" to their HR Department of their employer.

It is a sad part of this industry but one that has to be dealt with if anything is to get done long term. That is all I will say on this matter. I am sure everyone is aware of the amount of online trolling and stalking that goes on to some degree.

This is the busiest I have ever been and it is only going to get more so. Please bare with me with all of the questions here on the thread, in PM's, Emails and through the new "Question" feature of my Website. They are in the hundreds now.

Corey/GoodETxSG

Brian

[Omni]

In the email interaction I had with the blog writer he said he isn't focusing on Corey but wants to expose the psy ops in SSP personnel. I know how Corey uses the word stalker. He said I stalked him too which was a complete fabrication... He doesn't provide much substance against the alleged illuminati whistleblowers case, just calls him a stalker....

[Fellow Aspirant]

In the email interaction I had with the blog writer he said he isn't focusing on Corey but wants to expose the psy ops in SSP personnel. I know how Corey uses the word stalker. He said I stalked him too which was a complete fabrication... He doesn't provide much substance against the alleged illuminati whistleblowers case, just calls him a stalker....

Fair enough.

As for me, I give Dr. Michael Salla, David Wilcock and Bill and Christine more credence than the blogger I've not heard of before.

B.

[Shadowself]

I don't know about the blogger but this information has been out there for a very LONG time.

It's called the Aviary:

BIRDS OF A FEATHER

Alexander and C. B. Jones are members of the AVIARY, a group of intelligence and Department of Defense officers and scientists with a brief to discredit any serious research in the UFO field. Each member of the Aviary bears a bird’s name. Jones is FALCON; John Alexander is PENGUIN.


One of their agents, a UFO researcher known as William Moore, who was introduced to John Alexander at a party in 1987 by Scott Jones, confessed in front of an audience at a conference held by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) on July 1, 1989 in Las Vegas, how he was promised inside information by the senior members of the AVIARY in return for his obedience and service to them. He participated in the propagation and dissemination of disinformation fed to him by various members of the AVIARY.

He also confessed how he was instructed to target one particular individual, an electronics expert, Dr Paul Bennewitz, who had accumulated some UFO film footage and electronic signals which were taking place in 1980 over the Manzano Weapons Storage areas at Kirkland Air Force Base, New Mexico.

As a result of Moore’s involvement, coupled with some surreptitious entries and psychological techniques, Bennewitz ended up in a psychiatric hospital.

Just before the publication of my first paper unmasking two members of the AVIARY, I was visited by two of their members (MORNING DOVE and HAWK) who had traveled to the UK with a message from the senior ranks advising me not to go ahead with my expose. I rejected the proposal.

Immediately after the publication of that paper, and with the full knowledge that myself and a handful of colleagues knew the true identities of their members, John B. Alexander confessed that he was indeed a member of the AVIARY, nicknamed PENGUIN. The accuracy of our information was further confirmed to me by yet another member of the AVIARY--Ron Pandolphi, PELICAN.

Pandolphi is a PhD in physics and works at the Rocket and Missile section of the Office of the Deputy Director of Science and Technology, CIA.

In his book, Out There, the New York Times journalist Howard Blum refers to "a UFO Working Group" within the Defense Intelligence Agency. Despite DIA’s repeated denials, the existence of this working group has been confirmed to me by more than one member of the group itself, including an independent source in the Office of Naval Intelligence. The majority of the group’s members are senior members of the AVIARY:



Dr Christopher Green (BLUEJAY) from the CIA

Harold Puthoff (OWL), ex-NSA

Dr Jack Verona (RAVEN), DoD, one of the initiators of the DlA’s Sleeping Beauty project which aimed to achieve battlefield superiority using mind-altering electromagnetic weaponry

John Alexander (PENGUIN)

Ron Pandolphi (PELICAN)

The mysterious "Col. Harold E. Phillips" who appears in Blum’s Out There, is none other than John B. Alexander.

John Alexander’s position as the Program Manager for Contingency Missions of Conventional Defense Technology, Los Alamos National Laboratories, enabled him to exploit the Department of Defense’s Project Reliance "which encourages a search for all possible sources of existing and incipient technologies before developing new technology in-house" to tap into a wide range of exotic topics, sometimes using defense contractors, e.g., McDonnell Douglas Aerospace. I have several reports, some of which were compiled before his departure to the Los Alamos National Laboratories when he was with Army Intelligence, which show Alexander’s keen interest in any and every exotic subject--UFOs, ESP, psychotronics, anti-gravity devices, near-death experiments, psychology warfare and non-lethal weaponry.

John Alexander utilizes the bank of information he has accumulated to try to develop psychotronic, psychological and mind weaponry. He began thinking about non-lethal weapons a decade ago in his paper, "The New Mental Battlefield". He seems to want to become a ’Master’.

If they ever succeed in this ambition, the rest of us ordinary mortals had better watch out.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_aviary08.htm

Everything you wanted to know about the Avians ;)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_aviary.htm

[grannyfranny100]

Such evil people.

[Shadowself]

Adding that this same group (Avairy) are part of a group of friends who worked on the Nine... Andrija Puharich, Russell Targ, Ira Einhorn, Geller, etc.... and they are basically from the same circle of friends


A quote:

I am the beginning. I am the end. I am the emissary. But the original time I was on the Planet Earth was 34,000 of your years ago. I am the balance. And when I say "I" - I mean because I am an emissary for The Nine. It is not I , but it is the group.We are nine principles of the Universe, yet together we are one.

The declaration above is typical of the channeled pronouncements of the Council of Nine - or just 'The Nine'. They contain all the usual New Age ingredients of grandiose statements, shaky grammar and unprovable predictions. But unlike all the other channeling cults, that of The Nine has serious clout. Perhaps the reason for this is that they claim to be the Ennead, or the nine major gods of ancient Egypt (see panel). Or could there be another reason, one that owes more to The X-Files than the Pyramid Texts? Although The Nine may appear to be quintessentially a modern phenomenon, our research uncovered its truly astonishing pedigree. In fact, the story begins nearly 50 years ago, in a private research laboratory in Glen Cove, Maine, called the Round Table Foundation, run by a medical doctor named Andrija Puharich (also known as Henry K Puharich). Set up in 1948 to research the paranormal, among the noted psychics studied at the Foundation were the famous Irish medium Eileen Garrett and the Dutch clairvoyant Peter Hurkos (Pieter van de Hirk).Prominent members included the influential philosopher and inventor Arthur M Young and the socialite Alice Bouverie (née Astor).



In December 1952, Puharich brought into his laboratory an Indian mystic named Dr D G Vinod, who began to channel The Nine or 'the Nine Principles'. In the months before Vinod returned to India, a group met regularly to hear The Nine's channeled wisdom. Never known for their modesty, The Nine proclaimed themselves to be God, stating "God is nobody else than we together, the Nine Principles of God."

Three years later, there appeared to be independent confirmation of their existence. In Mexico, Puharich and Young met Charles and Lillian Laughead, former Christian missionaries who were by then prominent in the burgeoning UFO contactee movement. (For a description of their involvement in the Dorothy Martin circle, see Jerome Clark's 'When Prophecy Failed' in FT117.) Back in the States a few weeks later, Puharich received a letter from the Laugheads containing messages received by their group's channeller. This message also claimed to come from the Nine Principles, even - amazingly - including references to the earlier communications transmitted through Dr Vinod. Could The Nine possibly be for real?
Perhaps the answer is embedded in the career of Puharich himself. After disbanding the Round Table Foundation in 1958, he worked for 10 years as an inventor of medical devices and achieved international recognition as a parapsychologist, most famously studying the Brazilian psychic surgeon, Arigo (José Pedro de Freitas). But all that was to pale into insignificance because, in 1971, Puharich discovered Uri Geller.

At their first meetings in Tel Aviv in 1971, Puharich hypnotized Geller in an attempt to find out where his abilities came from. As a result, the young Israeli started to channel 'Spectra' - an entity which claimed to be a conscious super-computer aboard a spaceship. However, Puharich suggested to him that there might be a connection with the Nine Principles, and Spectra readily agreed that there was. The Nine claimed that they had programmed Geller with his powers as a young child.

Through Geller, The Nine alerted Puharich to his life's mission, which was to use Geller's talents to alert the world to an imminent mass landing of spaceships that would bring representatives of The Nine


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm

You all know who is head of the Nine eh? That would be Ra....and rumor has it the Blue Avains are in league with Ra no?

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Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the history of The Nine is its relationship to the career of Andrija Puharich. Recent research has revealed Puharich to have a distinctly sinister side. As an Army doctor in the 1950s, he was deeply involved with the CIA's notorious MKULTRA mind control project (see panel). He - together with the infamous Dr Sidney Gottlieb - experimented with a variety of techniques to change or induce actual thought processes.

The evidence we have gathered strongly suggests that Tom and his fellow gods originated, not in the stars, but behind closed doors as part of a CIA mind control experiment. And what happened to that experiment? Now with hundreds of thousands of devotees, some in very high places, can The Nine be deemed a success? Of course, that depends very much on what the CIA had in mind.



http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm

[Sirius White]

He is no longer an active member? Damn what did I miss!?

[araucaria]

In the email interaction I had with the blog writer he said he isn't focusing on Corey but wants to expose the psy ops in SSP personnel. I know how Corey uses the word stalker. He said I stalked him too which was a complete fabrication... He doesn't provide much substance against the alleged illuminati whistleblowers case, just calls him a stalker....

Fair enough.

As for me, I give Dr. Michael Sala, David Wilcock and Bill and Christine more credence than the blogger I've not heard of before.

B.

Giving “Bill and Christine more credence” is going to be a difficult task when you remember that their beautiful relationship was badly soured by the GoodET when he was unsubscribed from the forum. You simply cannot overlook that major incident of 2014 on Avalon: GoodET is no longer around here because he was unsubscribed. And as for using Bill and David Wilcock in the same sentence, Bill is on record on several occasions stating that he considers that at least one of Wilcock’s insiders is not reliable. For all I know, this is who he was talking about.

It would be beyond my pay grade to say any more, but I cannot allow tendentious posts like this, with no actual substance, to go unchallenged.

We have two crossover situations here. First you have Bill, whom I feel I can trust, and who as a forum host allows people to speak who are perhaps not as reliable. At the time of the Charles affair, I suggested that Charles was a self-styled whistleblower who came forward spontaneously but who had nothing to say in public until Bill coaxed something out of him. See my post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22678-Good-Bad-does-it-really-exist&p=243389&viewfull=1#post243389 In my view, this was more of the same. A presence on an otherwise mostly reliable forum says nothing about the quality of your information, especially when your presence has been terminated.

The second crossover is when very good people are being misled bigtime – and there are quite a few of those. This is done by providing plenty of ‘high octane’ (to borrow Joseph Farrell’s term) disinfo, namely disinfo that is almost exclusively good info, only with a twist in the tail. David Wilcock maybe does not perceive (or maybe he does) the possible alternative reading of his paragraph heading, ‘The Law of One fits perfectly into what the insiders know’. Why? Because the info is nearly all good (i.e. both correct and ethical). He can find scientific corroboration for that. But ‘what the insiders know’ also includes all the highly unethical stuff uncovered by ‘conspiracy theorists’. . . There are two possible explanations for that, just as there are two possible explanations for making correct predictions: either you can see into the future or… you planned it yourself.

For example, the validating notion of corroboration can be misused by referring everyone to the same source. In a criminal case, it is easy to confound a suspect who keeps changing his story, but bringing the same story through multiple witnesses does not prove his innocence: it might also be a conspiracy. Notice, I am not buying one side of this story or the other; there is a level where they become inseparable.

You can read about the Nine in Picknett and Prince’s The Stargate Conspiracy. But the connection between Don Elkins (of the Ra material) with Puharich, Uri Geller and the Nine is pure unadulterated fact since he (Elkins) discusses it extensively in his book Secrets of the UFO. Interestingly, I found my printout of this book almost instantly (it could have taken a week), open in the middle of Chapter 7: ‘A solution to the mystery of Uri Geller’. http://www.llresearch.org/library/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf.aspx

I am picking out one instance of high validation from a dubious origin, possibly not the best example, but I want later on to link another post to this story in another thread. Don Elkins, it may be recalled, was a professional airline pilot.

Edit: I see you need permission to quote from this website. I don’t have permission, so I’m replacing my quote from page 126 and top of page 127 with a brief summary. Don Elkins reports an aircraft artificial horizon malfunction that puts itself right although that is not supposed to happen (like a flat tire repairing itself). Uri Geller provides documentary proof that he had captured the incident, a note written at the time saying ‘Horizon went out!! Plane?’ Some objects start flying around, which is ‘their’ way of confirming Geller’s thought that he fixed the horizon. Elkins ends with this:

I suppose you still find it hard to believe my story. When it happens to you personally, you have no choice but to witness to the truth.
Witness to the truth, yes, but what level of truth? The lowish level perhaps of some mischief maker with superior skills, capable of fixing a horizon that they had previously caused to malfunction. The point being that quite a few aircraft these days are getting the malfunction without the subsequent fix. For flight 4U 9525, for example, “horizon went out” to way below ground level and never got fixed. Many will think, if this is benevolent intervention growing out of benevolent non-intervention, then it has got to stop.

[Maunagarjana]

I think this blog has an interesting take on the avians. From an alleged illuminati insider: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html


There has been a lot of talk around the Internet about "Blue Avians" and this is rather laughable. "Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example)


That's interesting to you? Really? In that case, I've got a bridge in a swamp you might want to buy. ;)

[Shadowself]

Witness to the truth, yes, but what level of truth? The lowish level perhaps of some mischief maker with superior skills, capable of fixing a horizon that they had previously caused to malfunction. The point being that quite a few aircraft these days are getting the malfunction without the subsequent fix. For flight 4U 9525, for example, “horizon went out” to way below ground level and never got fixed. Many will think, if this is benevolent intervention growing out of benevolent non-intervention, then it has got to stop.


good assessment.

Adding have you seen Puharich's resume?

http://www.puharich.nl/Bio/Resume.htm

One of his many US patents:

http://www.google.com/patents/US3267931

Makes for a great spy novel.

[Jake]

If one does not agree with and accept blindly everything C says, then one is attacked by him.. I find that to be a barbaric tactic.. Barbaric and reprehensible... Especially from the new messiah of the blue bird saviors... I could yawn here,, but then C would say it was a designed attack on him and he has the secret emails to prove it... lol...

Anyone supposing to represent ME to a higher being, or group of beings can piss off. That is not how it is done!!! Higher beings are working with individuals on an individual basis.. Contact will be personal and unique.. Mine is... I wouldn't pretend to represent any other soul... It is quite humbling and personally spiritual, (for lack of a better word)..

Instead, what we get is attack after attack from C,, just spit and hate,,, from a self proclaimed savior,, working with yet another group of savior beings...

All this has changed for me is now I know that DW will believe anything..

NOBODY IS GOING TO SAVE US!!! We have to save ourselves.. ANYONE claiming to be a savior is playing you for a fool...

All groups, religions, governments, social movements throughout history have been infultrated and controlled by the bastards in power... The new movement of personal sovereignty and awakening is being stampped out by yet another move to get us to forget our sovereignty, and look to a savior.

I have had my own personal contact out of my body... It would be the most despicable act of self betrayal to pretend to represent any other person to this group.. NOBODY represents me,, absolutely not... if that is what you are lookoing for then by all means,,, sit on your hands and wait to be saved...

Or, buy the book... Ha! I am sure one is coming...

(Yawn)
Jake

[ThePythonicCow]

NOBODY IS GOING TO SAVE US!!! We have to save ourselves..
Or not :).

I do what I can, while I can, except when I don't ... whether or not that qualifies as "salvation" would be measuring my being by a foreign yardstick ... of little relevance.

[Zionbrion]

If one does not agree with and accept blindly everything C says, then one is attacked by him.. I find that to be a barbaric tactic.. Barbaric and reprehensible... Especially from the new messiah of the blue bird saviors... I could yawn here,, but then C would say it was a designed attack on him and he has the secret emails to prove it... lol...

Anyone supposing to represent ME to a higher being, or group of beings can piss off. That is not how it is done!!! Higher beings are working with individuals on an individual basis.. Contact will be personal and unique.. Mine is... I wouldn't pretend to represent any other soul... It is quite humbling and personally spiritual, (for lack of a better word)..

Instead, what we get is attack after attack from C,, just spit and hate,,, from a self proclaimed savior,, working with yet another group of savior beings...

All this has changed for me is now I know that DW will believe anything..

NOBODY IS GOING TO SAVE US!!! We have to save ourselves.. ANYONE claiming to be a savior is playing you for a fool...

All groups, religions, governments, social movements throughout history have been infultrated and controlled by the bastards in power... The new movement of personal sovereignty and awakening is being stampped out by yet another move to get us to forget our sovereignty, and look to a savior.

I have had my own personal contact out of my body... It would be the most despicable act of self betrayal to pretend to represent any other person to this group.. NOBODY represents me,, absolutely not... if that is what you are lookoing for then by all means,,, sit on your hands and wait to be saved...

Or, buy the book... Ha! I am sure one is coming...

(Yawn)
Jake

I second that motion.

I read this thread last night, but was waiting until some sleep to respond, and you wrote as I was thinking. My BS meter has been off the charts since the first GoodET thread with the interview has started. All of the subsequent action/information that has come out has only further proven to me that there is a big ego and/or mind control going on here, spreading mostly disinformation. In another thread on the blue avians someone was copying and pasting from Coreys blog and at one point he wrote something like "the Bill Ryan/Project Avalon disinfo cult" but he removed it fairly quickly becaise others did not view this text on his blog.
Sadly this also has discredited David Wilcock for me as well, that he is so gullible to this information.

On another note, if you want more sincere information about the Bird people check out the book the Bird Tribes by Ken Carey. From what I understand...I could be wrong here...is that he and his wife went and lived with no technology in the woods for many years and he started to channell all of this information, he would be in trance and his wife would write things down. He then wrote the book Bird Tribes that reads like fiction, but rings very true in my being.

[Zionbrion]

The name Bird Tribes comes to us from the tradition of the Native Americans. Yet though they have been known throughout the world and throughout the millennia by many names such as Angels, Messengers, Higher Selves, Ascended Masters, ExtraTerrestrials - still their essential nature, like our own, remains a deep and beautiful mystery.

Perhaps one of the easiest ways to get a grasp on the concept of the BirdTribes is to put them in the context of the 'real world'. In the book Return of the BirdTribes
which was the original inspiration for this website, the whole of what we call recorded history is the story of the 'warrior tribes', and we recommend you read our page about the recent history of the warrior tribes for clarification of the Bird Tribes relevance to the modern world and its peoples.

To quote from Return of the Bird Tribe's introduction...
"There are many names for us. We have been called angels, Bird Tribes, higher selves, hoksedas, spirits of the stars. The reality of what we are is more than a name can convey...".

Keeping in mind that there is no simple answer to the question of who the Bird Tribes are - let us say then that a working definition might be that the BirdTribes are the Angelic Consciousness that knows no separation from the Sacred Source of All Existences, and constantly remembers its ultimate kinship with all created beings.
The Bird Tribes are us when we have integrated permanent awareness of the Divine Presence. They are our complete wholeness speaking to us from the dimension where they eternally reside.

More quotes from the introduction to
Return of the Bird Tribes ~

"Although communication with discarnate beings is not widely practiced in the industrial nations, such communication has played a central role in virtually all recorded human development" ... "Human history, recent and ancient, provides countless instances of poets, saints, mystics, even statesmen and scientists who have experienced significant encounters with metaphysical beings of one sort or another."1
"Certain of the angelic tribes... rarely interact with the earth or her inhabitants. Others have been intimately involved with this planet from her inception, being, in fact, the agents and overseers of her organic development. Within this category of angels long associated with biological life is a highly specialised circle of beings who are responsible for the education of human kind."

So the BirdTribes may be thought of as Angels that are particularly concerned with the destiny of humanity, and yet... the book also makes it clear that there have been human beings throughout history, scattered among all cultures, who shared this consciousness. In fact the truly human being, the full expression of our potential - is an integration of the apparently separated individual entity with the Angelic consciousness that experiences no separation from the Omnipresent Reality.

In the Return of the Bird Tribes it is explained that what we think of as normal human consciousness is actually a disconnection from the angelic aspects of our whole beings as we allowed ourselves to be dominated by the egoic warrior tribe mentality. It is an evolutionary phase that is ending, for it has served its purpose in teaching us the inevitable result of believing that we are separate from the world and can benefit by exploiting it for our own gain.

The apparent separation of the human consciousness from the Universal and Omnipresent Consciousness... is not 'real'. However - the intensification of the experience of the illusion of such separation has been the defining characteristic of most of the short span of recorded Human history. As our consciousness evolved and became more intensely self-reflective, we simultaneously became more acutely aware of our apparent separation. This provoked an existential anxiety and obsession with trying to control the apparently separate external reality. This process reached its natural limit as experienced in the unprecedentedly destructive politics and science of the last century.

Having reached its limit the circle is now swinging back in the other direction - but at a new octave.
A new level of awareness is being attained on mass. A new awareness which integrates
the experience of individual existence with the knowledge of the ultimate unity.
This is what we refer to as 'the Return of the Bird Tribes'!


'The Return of the Bird Tribes' was written by Ken Carey and published by Harper Collins in 1991. Like his seminal 'Starseed Transmission' books it is a cosmic vision of planetary transformation. He carefully explains in the introduction that it is written by a process of communion that is a natural evolution from what we have called 'channeling'. It is a merging of his consciousness with that of angelic intelligences.

All of this is from www.birdtribes.net

[Meggings]

Here is another Michael Salla interview with a fellow I've recently come across, by name of R. Scott Lemriel. Scott talks about mind control going back hundreds of thousands of years. It was published April 8th, 2015.

Michael Salla, in his introduction, says roughly this: Through extraterrestrial technology, we have had our minds divided into conscious and subconscious segments – and we are controlled by the implanting of fear and doubt into our subconscious. And I might add, by giving us images of imperfection rather than the intended perfection of life's expressions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mIOvAf0lxM&feature=youtu.be

[Zionbrion]

I think this blog has an interesting take on the avians. From an alleged illuminati insider: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html


There has been a lot of talk around the Internet about "Blue Avians" and this is rather laughable. "Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example)


That's interesting to you? Really? In that case, I've got a bridge in a swamp you might want to buy. ;)

I'll take it...I assume the support structure is rot resistant.
The writer of that blog brings up some very good points, you do know the cabal type people play both sides of the field, right?

[Elainie]

Anyone muscle tested this Big Bird story as in David Hawkins style? Curious to know what level it calibrates as.

[donk]

[
Giving “Bill and Christine more credence” is going to be a difficult task when you remember that their beautiful relationship was badly soured by the GoodET when he was unsubscribed from the forum. You simply cannot overlook that major incident of 2014 on Avalon: GoodET is no longer around here because he was unsubscribed. .

This “throw away” comment is of the type that I endlessly try to discern and am met with resistance…so forgive me in advance that it seems off-topic…but it is here and I don’t know where else we can discuss.

It seems like the forum is actively overlooking it this important incident…unless I missed it? Where exactly is it explained clearly why he is no longer here, how it caused a rift, and where everyone now stands? And if the relationship was so beautiful…why have I NEVER seen Bill mention it at all the time I’ve been here? What basis are you getting your description of their relationship?

Cuz I would have to either think the relationship was shakey…or corey/luke/goodET is more dangerous and manipulative than many folk seem to believe, right? I mean, you put it in your post like it’s common knowledge that they had a beautiful and it’s known to you how goodET “soured” it…can you point me to where you formed your conclusions on this? Wouldn’t it be a service to the forum for the founder to explain clearly how he feels about this?

Is there someplace that I just missed where Bill (and/or Christine’s) perspective on the “whistleblower” and the situation? On their current views on DW’s picking up the where they left on giving Corey a platform? Am I really out of line expecting this, here—on the “truth” site that was largely responsible for making him known to us?

I mean: while this particular thread is about Salla’s perspective…the entire forum is Bill’s baby….I’d think his insight would be a valuable contribution on understanding what is going on here, no? I’ve seen lots of talk of muddying waters lately…it seems like it would go so far in cleaning them up a little if we could a clear perspective from the horse’s mouth….when I tried to ask on the Blue Avian thread I must not have been clear (or there was an intentional deflection?)…am I the only Avalon poster that feels this is a “piece of the puzzle” (that could be easily resolved)?

[Omni]

I think this blog has an interesting take on the avians. From an alleged illuminati insider: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html


There has been a lot of talk around the Internet about "Blue Avians" and this is rather laughable. "Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example)


That's interesting to you? Really? In that case, I've got a bridge in a swamp you might want to buy. ;)

Yes I found it interesting, don't see the need for snarky comments.

I don't see how an alleged illuminati insider is any more or less believable than blue avian ETs coming to save us. In fact after my several emails with this blog writer I am leaning towards him being a genuine illuminati insider....

[Agape]

I've heard long ago already some senior researchers stating that 'internet has ruined ufology' . I was new to it that time and did not quite understand why ( except for the obviousness of it as a principle ).

It's becoming rather clear now how this form of 'disclosure' is no go unless you intend responsibility for mass delusions .
No one cares to check who is actually 'delusional' or not . People with enormous sense of creativity and self-belief are writing blogs , emails , exchange information that has no base in reality , less base it has more 'attractive' it becomes .

I had once lots of respect and admiration for Dr Salla .

We are merely touching the verge I'm afraid where these 'games' start to involve trusting 'reality gamers' ( vis Charles/Atticus attempt to recruit the '18' ) who will use their 'internet freedoms' not only to collect information but also recruit people to continue their game .

Result ? Absolute mistrust in anyone claiming anything to do with intelligent ET life . There will always be a 'gamer' aka 'whistleblower' claiming tons of information available to him complex enough to derail attention from possible reality events.


Paradoxically .. those who by any chance had actually experienced and were affected by either ET contact or are victims of human abuse have very little wish for games, arguments , and other such nuisance .

The call has been made long ago .. for professional styled researchers , scientific investigators and face to face contact in this matter .

You don't have to trust anyone me inclusive claiming something if they refuse to attest to the information, defy solid reasoning and evade any investigation and substantiation of their claims whatsoever .

If there's no one willing to investigate any such claims on solid grounds though ,
this is no better or worse than some kind of new age cult in my eyes and large computer game we never intended to play .

[Elainie]

I've heard long ago already some senior researchers stating that 'internet has ruined ufology' . I was new to it that time and did not quite understand why ( except for the obviousness of it as a principle ).


Completely agree.

[Tangri]

Yes, Omniverse, this is from the blogger who calls himself "theruiner". Corey has written a response to this person's thoughts on "The One Truth" thread, which is referenced above. He states:

Yes, this is one of my lovely stalkers. I know exactly who it is.They have made such a nuisance of themselves that I have had to add them to the list of trolls/stalkers that I am following on an online service. That number has sadly grown.

I know what some may be thinking, No.. I do not immediately label anyone who disagree's with me as a "Troll" or a "Stalker"... I let their actions speak as loud as their words. When I am attacked across several mediums and through several people it then becomes something more than just a person with a strong but different opinion.

I was warned but I had no idea how many mentally ill people gravitated to these forums and this "field" in general. "There is a fine line between genius and insanity" and some of these people are quite clever. It not only gives me a new respect for what forum staff members have to deal with on a daily basis but also explains why disclosure has been so damaged over the years (Beyond what the 5 "i's" and other groups could do on their own, "The people factor")...

It is comforting to know that these types only represent less than 1% of the total number of people on these Forums and Following this Field Over All Though, And most are very supportive or if the info smell like "Poo" to them they just shake their heads and move on. "Internet Anonymity" has only enhanced certain psychological pathologies in that "less than 1%" though...

I have been given good advice by some people that have been in this field for some time and have the resources to track and locate these people (Usually pretty easily and quickly) to add to the tracking service to make sure they do not get out of hand (All of their "Real Life" personal info).

I have had ONE STALKER who was so bad that I had to report them to their local "LEO's" (Law Enforcement) already. It also turned out that they were doing some posting from their job or work assets and I have info printed out ready to "Fed-Ex" to their HR Department of their employer.

It is a sad part of this industry but one that has to be dealt with if anything is to get done long term. That is all I will say on this matter. I am sure everyone is aware of the amount of online trolling and stalking that goes on to some degree.

This is the busiest I have ever been and it is only going to get more so. Please bare with me with all of the questions here on the thread, in PM's, Emails and through the new "Question" feature of my Website. They are in the hundreds now.

Corey/GoodETxSG

Brian

Is this means, no more editing or censoring our words in this subject?:p

Hey I feel free now! :tape:

There is no fairness in distribution of human Intellectual-conceptual, integrative and quantitative abilities.
I accept that fact and live with it. But I still try to describe the colour of white to the born blind people.

Is this same person who cried out laud for his family and himself for privacy protection?

"I have been given good advice by some people that have been in this field for some time and have the resources to track and locate these people (Usually pretty easily and quickly) to add to the tracking service to make sure they do not get out of hand (All of their "Real Life" personal info)."
(which people is he addressing, Cabal's black ops or regular folks? If it meant to black ops , he is ridiculously underestimating the situation, if it meant to regular folks, he is acting like black ops.)

Is this same person who was afraid of from governmental threat?

"I have had ONE STALKER who was so bad that I had to report them to their local "LEO's" (Law Enforcement) already. It also turned out that they were doing some posting from their job or work assets and I have info printed out ready to "Fed-Ex" to their HR Department of their employer."

[Tangri]

" All of the insider info I had gathered over the preceding 22 years had come together -- brilliantly and unexpectedly.

Knowledge and information I had kept very quiet was suddenly flooding back into my mind as each new topic of discussion arose.

This one guy knew almost as much as all the others had told me combined."

Here's the link:

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...rla-graduation


I believe D Wilcock has no clue on screen writers's job.

"This one guy knew almost as much as all the others had told me combined.":doh:

[araucaria]

[
Giving “Bill and Christine more credence” is going to be a difficult task when you remember that their beautiful relationship was badly soured by the GoodET when he was unsubscribed from the forum. You simply cannot overlook that major incident of 2014 on Avalon: GoodET is no longer around here because he was unsubscribed. .

This “throw away” comment is of the type that I endlessly try to discern and am met with resistance…so forgive me in advance that it seems off-topic…but it is here and I don’t know where else we can discuss.

It seems like the forum is actively overlooking it this important incident…unless I missed it? Where exactly is it explained clearly why he is no longer here, how it caused a rift, and where everyone now stands? And if the relationship was so beautiful…why have I NEVER seen Bill mention it at all the time I’ve been here? What basis are you getting your description of their relationship?
Sure Donk, I am happy to clarify the matter I am discussing. It’s all out there (I have no backstory), and you saw some of it yourself, if not with my eyes. Actually, this is very much on the topic of this thread. It is not a “throw away” comment at all but, as stated, a challenge to the opening poster, and an introduction to the rest of my post. And as you say, it raises a more general forum issue as well.

Technically GoodETxSG fell on his sword (unsubscribed by request), but it has since become very clear that a ban was the only alternative (the mods say it was decidedly jointly). What happened here is a case of ‘posthumous’ posting, which to me is a form of infiltration. Members are naturally free to participate in other forums, but deliberately importing hostile material from hostile fora resembles an attack on Avalon, don’t you think? The problem with insiders coming out is that they are on both sides at once. The problem with Milabs victims coming out is that they are at once programmed and (partially) deprogrammed and (understandably) claiming they were the one and are now the other. Their bona fides are not necessarily in doubt: what is in doubt is their listenability. This I think is where Bill and Christine disagreed; their bona fides are definitely not in doubt (at least as far as I’m concerned); nevertheless they disagreed.

The Bill and Christine incident follows a pattern of rifts, after Bill and Kerry, Bill and Inelia. Either Bill is simply not the stable character he has always struck me as being, or there is a deliberate strategy of attack at work, driving a wedge between him and anyone collaborating closely with him. You may have a different opinion of Bill, but in that case you would need to explain why we find the same type of attack being launched during the Charles incident at former administrator Richard exploiting a weakness whereby his wife Celine, although just an ordinary member, I gather had access to his administrator’s account (I gather: I am not in a position to know the exact details).

Just as the best place to find evidence of a link between Don Elkins and the Nine is the writings of Don Elkins, the best place to find evidence of GoodETxSG’s effects on the forum is in his own posting record. The wedge between Bill and Christine, in the words of GoodETxSG, is here (the member timewaster gives us the whole thing twice over):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66018-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower--Questions-for-GoodETxSG-&p=915167&viewfull=1#post915167

The effects on the forum may be seen in terms of BEFORE and AFTER.

BEFORE. Last year Christine was an active moderator, and being based in Ecuador, she got close enough to Bill for them to make a video together on the hugely important subject of HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD: ‘I am starting to feel like "THE face" of Avalon’, she wrote.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-&p=865521&viewfull=1#post865521


Before I speak about the new video uploaded here, I would like to encourage any and all of you who would like to share to step forward, I am more than willing to support this process. I am starting to feel like "THE face" of Avalon. :)

And a couple of posts later:

I was so touched and filled with happiness by this email that I just had to share it.

Also to share that we have been having the most powerful and empowering healing sessions.. I don't want to be the only voice here so I will leave space for those who have joined to express as they have time.

With deepening overflowing appreciation for us all..

Christine
(…)

Okay, I am feeling abundantly joyful this morning so let me share an old time favorite song.

AFTER. This year Christine resigned as a moderator and her last post was on February 8th. Her presence is greatly missed.

But of course, in addition to the stark contrast of BEFORE and AFTER, there is the DURING, the watershed moment went things went pear-shaped.

DURING. There was another incident, as you well know: the John Lash interview that was never posted. Please follow the link to Christine’s post #25.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919179&viewfull=1#post919179
Although it seems Christine was involved in the offending interview, she and Bill were eventually on the same page:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919496&viewfull=1#post919496
In a discussion you joined, in one of here last posts, which you thanked, she talks of her Joan of Arc connection.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=919855&viewfull=1#post919855

The John Lash incident gave the lie to the old idea of ‘Don’t shoot the messenger’. His own archontic contamination meant that keeping his original message meant shooting the messenger, thereby placing a whole new meaning on his book title ‘Not in His Image’. This had a very negative effect: as a contemporary Joan of Arc, Christine fell off her horse – was unhorsed. I can only see this as further evidence of a milder form of the same contamination. Something about her keenness for action made her a target as messenger, but not her message. But Christine will find another horse, or rather an alternative course of action to the one that got Joan martyred.

A new post on Bob’s thread led me just now to a humorous insight into what’s going on here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65323-A-Signpost-up-ahead-your-next-stop&p=938904&viewfull=1#post938904
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65323-A-Signpost-up-ahead-your-next-stop&p=938905&viewfull=1#post938905
The episode also had a very positive effect: instead of what Bill saw as an ‘infiltrating intention’ from the John Lash interview, we got a valuable new member, Silkie, who knows Lash very well. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=935486&viewfull=1#post935486

To bring this post back on topic (if it ever strayed): one member who was relaying ‘posthumous’ messages from the unsubscribed GoodETxSG back then – the way Fellow Aspirant is doing now – was Aragorn, who has since been banned. No reason was given for the banning, but an educated guess would suggest it had something to do with this curious post, his last of any substance:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216

[Bill Ryan]

Sure Donk, I am happy to clarify the matter I am discussing.

Many thanks, John — I have PMed donk to ask him why he never took the trouble to ask me any of his questions by PM. (He never has, like a number of others who have jumped to wild conclusions and are relying only on gossip, smears and rumor for their sources of information. Not good science, or good journalism, when there is a first-hand source who's right there (here! :) ), ready to answer any question.)

Some issues I'll not respond to publicly, because the next thing we all know, what I write, no matter how carefully, is copied and twisted and spun and posted elsewhere on the net by others with a smearing agenda of their own.

But in private, I will answer any questions from anyone about anything... I always have, and I always will. donk knows himself the trouble I am prepared to take to explain things in detail backchannel to anyone who is sincerely asking.

:focus:

[Delight]

The name Bird Tribes comes to us from the tradition of the Native Americans. Yet though they have been known throughout the world and throughout the millennia by many names such as Angels, Messengers, Higher Selves, Ascended Masters, ExtraTerrestrials - still their essential nature, like our own, remains a deep and beautiful mystery.

Perhaps one of the easiest ways to get a grasp on the concept of the BirdTribes is to put them in the context of the 'real world'. In the book Return of the BirdTribes
which was the original inspiration for this website, the whole of what we call recorded history is the story of the 'warrior tribes', and we recommend you read our page about the recent history of the warrior tribes for clarification of the Bird Tribes relevance to the modern world and its peoples.

To quote from Return of the Bird Tribe's introduction...
"There are many names for us. We have been called angels, Bird Tribes, higher selves, hoksedas, spirits of the stars. The reality of what we are is more than a name can convey...".

Keeping in mind that there is no simple answer to the question of who the Bird Tribes are - let us say then that a working definition might be that the BirdTribes are the Angelic Consciousness that knows no separation from the Sacred Source of All Existences, and constantly remembers its ultimate kinship with all created beings.
The Bird Tribes are us when we have integrated permanent awareness of the Divine Presence. They are our complete wholeness speaking to us from the dimension where they eternally reside.

More quotes from the introduction to
Return of the Bird Tribes ~

"Although communication with discarnate beings is not widely practiced in the industrial nations, such communication has played a central role in virtually all recorded human development" ... "Human history, recent and ancient, provides countless instances of poets, saints, mystics, even statesmen and scientists who have experienced significant encounters with metaphysical beings of one sort or another."1
"Certain of the angelic tribes... rarely interact with the earth or her inhabitants. Others have been intimately involved with this planet from her inception, being, in fact, the agents and overseers of her organic development. Within this category of angels long associated with biological life is a highly specialised circle of beings who are responsible for the education of human kind."

So the BirdTribes may be thought of as Angels that are particularly concerned with the destiny of humanity, and yet... the book also makes it clear that there have been human beings throughout history, scattered among all cultures, who shared this consciousness. In fact the truly human being, the full expression of our potential - is an integration of the apparently separated individual entity with the Angelic consciousness that experiences no separation from the Omnipresent Reality.

In the Return of the Bird Tribes it is explained that what we think of as normal human consciousness is actually a disconnection from the angelic aspects of our whole beings as we allowed ourselves to be dominated by the egoic warrior tribe mentality. It is an evolutionary phase that is ending, for it has served its purpose in teaching us the inevitable result of believing that we are separate from the world and can benefit by exploiting it for our own gain.

The apparent separation of the human consciousness from the Universal and Omnipresent Consciousness... is not 'real'. However - the intensification of the experience of the illusion of such separation has been the defining characteristic of most of the short span of recorded Human history. As our consciousness evolved and became more intensely self-reflective, we simultaneously became more acutely aware of our apparent separation. This provoked an existential anxiety and obsession with trying to control the apparently separate external reality. This process reached its natural limit as experienced in the unprecedentedly destructive politics and science of the last century.

Having reached its limit the circle is now swinging back in the other direction - but at a new octave.
A new level of awareness is being attained on mass. A new awareness which integrates
the experience of individual existence with the knowledge of the ultimate unity.
This is what we refer to as 'the Return of the Bird Tribes'!


Whatever TRUTH is, the relevance is in living it. IN-TUITION is an experience of our larger multi-dimensional self.

The proof is in what is expressed.Individuals express genius. When one looks to the biographies of these genii, one will discover they were the recipient of Inspiration. When one looks to a culture that is created by those who in large part have inspiration, creativity expresses in a tremendously heightened way.

Perhaps the last civilization we see in evidence is Egypt. Look for creativity, harmony and loving as wise LIFE lived and find the bird tribe in form IMO.

[Bill Ryan]

...Aragorn, who has since been banned. No reason was given for the banning, but an educated guess would suggest it had something to do with this curious post, his last of any substance:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216

Actually, that was not the reason at all. Quite a lot goes on behind the scenes, and it's been our judgment (so far) that most of this should NOT be widely aired.

Not because there's anything to hide, but because attention would then be drawn to a bunch of drama and gossip that's completely unfounded and takes us all off the focus of where our attention should be these days (in my strong personal opinion). Elsewhere on the net, the feeding frenzy has been like a pack of hyenas thinking that they may be smelling blood.

In a nutshell, Aragorn had a private exchange with one of the mods that ran to something like 10 PMs. Of course, we cannot publish those, and would not even if asked. But the gist was the accusations that


I and the other mods read members' PMs here (we cannot, do not, and never would)
I was being 'blackmailed' (am not and never have been)
There was some kind of unspecific 'evidence' against me that he would not state, even when asked to share privately so that I could refute, correct or clarify.

It was the last item that was the last straw. Aragorn refused to state what he had been told or who by (via the gossip-and-smear machine, that is). I gave him 24 hours to please communicate openly, and said (this was true) that I would respect him if he did.

He became defiant and intransigent. I told him that he no longer deserved to be a member of this forum unless he was willing to clear all this up and be willing to hear the truth from myself... but in order to do that, I needed to know what was being said that he appeared to believe. He refused.

So I kept to my word, and unsubscribed him. I made the call myself, but it was supported by the entire moderators team.


:focus: (again!)

[Carmody]

Sounds like he got set up with double bind data. Ie, a secret society and or black/security/intelligence agency operation put the data package together, and worded it so it could not be related without putting him (Aragorn) or some one/all ---at risk. Or put together by an individual, as some folks (rarely - but they do exist) are really good at this sort of thing.

So the data was, quite possibly... a 'bomb' designed to go off in him, as a tangent fired at Bill.


I was faced with a similar situation, when given a specific set of data, back in 2011 or so, about the Iranian Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant. Best I can guess, is that I was supposed to give this 'data' to Bill. And that if it was true or not, it would regardless have the same effect....and result in a potent step toward war with Iran. It was data with a huge rock solid and verifiable background and depth, the whole nine yards.

It was, in my estimation, shortly after receiving it and thinking on the matter.... a shape-charged rumour designed by intelligence agencies, in order to further their dark agendas.

So I left it on the ground and communicated it to no one.

This sounds like more of the same games.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Edit: If a person ever wonders what it is like in the alternative media, where the real war for people's lives and minds is going on, to figure out if one is really in the 'Nam or not, really, actually knee deep in the blood and the mud.... this is the sort of thing that will happen.

Over and over again. innocents and corruptibles, inexperienced and concerned people.... will be misled, misguided... and set off against people...via lies and plants of situations and data.

David Icke and many others can tell you stories, one after another, over and over, without repeating themselves, about this exact sort of thing.

Intelligence agencies are specifically designed, from the ground up, to do, to create and enable...this exact sort of thing. It's all about complicated plots that are built up in people's minds, locked in plots and whatnot... and then the people are set off against the given target.

People, lies and confusion (opposing data from multiple directions, etc), as weapons. Deviousness as the heart of a control methodology.

[psydney]

...Aragorn, who has since been banned. No reason was given for the banning, but an educated guess would suggest it had something to do with this curious post, his last of any substance:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216

Actually, that was not the reason at all. Quite a lot goes on behind the scenes, and it's been our judgment (so far) that most of this should NOT be widely aired.

Not because there's anything to hide, but because attention would then be drawn to a bunch of drama and gossip that's completely unfounded and takes us all off the focus of where our attention should be these days (in my strong personal opinion). Elsewhere on the net, the feeding frenzy has been like a pack of hyenas thinking that they may be smelling blood ...



I can appreciate your point that you would want to handle this off forum. However, the allegations of the link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216) are very serious, in my opinion. And I don't know that the allegations are completely unfounded. It would be useful if you or the mods could state what, if anything, is being done about the matter as far as the Avalon forum is concerned (apart from the recommendation that the alleged victims should seek legal advice, which I fully agree with). Otherwise, as it stands, I, for one, am now hesitant to recommend Avalon to friends, as they may unwittingly participate in the hazardous thread in question and be exposed to potential harm. This is a pity, as there are so many other valuable discussions on the site that they could benefit from.

:focus:

[Dennis Leahy]

...Aragorn, who has since been banned. No reason was given for the banning, but an educated guess would suggest it had something to do with this curious post, his last of any substance:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216

Actually, that was not the reason at all. Quite a lot goes on behind the scenes, and it's been our judgment (so far) that most of this should NOT be widely aired.

Not because there's anything to hide, but because attention would then be drawn to a bunch of drama and gossip that's completely unfounded and takes us all off the focus of where our attention should be these days (in my strong personal opinion). Elsewhere on the net, the feeding frenzy has been like a pack of hyenas thinking that they may be smelling blood ...



I can appreciate your point that you would want to handle this off forum. However, the allegations of the link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216) are very serious, in my opinion. And I don't know that the allegations are completely unfounded. It would be useful if you or the mods could state what, if anything, is being done about the matter as far as the Avalon forum is concerned (apart from the recommendation that the alleged victims should seek legal advice, which I fully agree with). Otherwise, as it stands, I, for one, am now hesitant to recommend Avalon to friends, as they may unwittingly participate in the hazardous thread in question and be exposed to potential harm. This is a pity, as there are so many other valuable discussions on the site that they could benefit from.

:focus:
"And I don't know that the allegations are completely unfounded."

So, if you personally saw no proof whatsoever of anything, just 3rd-hand nebulous rumors given to you by someone on a forum named as a JRR Tolkien character, something unspecified yet said to be sexual involving consenting adults... tell me what you would do - but the words "consenting adults" should be echoing through your head. Person A hears a story about person B who alleges having had some sort of consenting intimate exchange with person C. So, person A shows and tells person D no details whatsoever but declares serious (legally libelous, at this point) accusations against person C.

Person A really has no first-hand knowledge of anything
Person B may be a jilted lover, an unrequited suitor, a cyber-stalker, twisting the truth for sympathy, or could be a "victim" of more than they bargained for after consenting. It may be titillating to the audience of readers because intimacy was evidently involved, but ONLY persons B and C know what happened, and unless some criminal act was committed (in which case some sort of legal action might be taken by B against C, or C against B) only persons B and C are involved in this. Person A may think they are a shining white knight, but may be deluded, may have been manipulated, may have an agenda - but cannot do anything other than offer advice and a shoulder to cry on to person B.

Person C may be 100% innocent of any "charges" (which have not been brought), and may indeed be the victim of a smear campaign. Certainly, person C is innocent until proven guilty.

Person A has publicly libeled person C, and I suspect may find himself in court.

Person D has no faith whatsoever that person A has any clue what really happened, and whether person B got more than bargained for in intimate interplay, got jilted, or whatever. Person D doesn't even know if person B is a real person, or is a sockpuppet being used by someone with a nefarious and malicious agenda against person C. (With the Internet and pseudonyms, no one should pretend they know who they are communicating with.)

Person D doesn't know if person A is sincere, but gave person A the benefit of the doubt, and tried (over the course of several days and 10 PMs) to find out if there was anything beyond drama and nebulous allegations (from person B, someone who admitted to consensual adult intimacy) upon which to act. Person D concluded they would be a fool - as big a fool as person A - if they were to attempt some sort of action against person C, who may have done nothing wrong and may actually be the real victim. If there is actually something illegal that took place between B and C, then any legal action is between the two of them, not A, not D, not Project Avalon membership or forum.

As far as warning friends of "dangerous" threads to avoid (and/or simply threads wasting vast sums of time that could have been spent productively), well, there are certainly people with nefarious and manipulative agendas that have used Avalon as a pulpit, such as the crap from the "Galactic Federation of Light", "Drake", and now the "Blue Avians." But hey, we're all adults here, and I suppose that if someone is compelled to spend hours reading about Blue Avians in invisible planet-sized spheres while they ignore a citizen's down-to-earth comprehensive plan and strategy to oust the global Elite from controlling governance and put the power of governance into the people's hands (in the USA, that would be "The Reset Button"), oh well.

Person D is tired and is going to sleep. :~)

[kemo]

Just peradventure. I still don't quite know what to make of this Blue Avians thing so I'm sitting on the fence, which is preferable IMHO to jumping to conclusions when you really don't know. The character of the person we are talking about is one thing but doesn't necessarily mean that the info they are presenting is false. Which brings me to DW who seems to have bought into this story quite heavily and is making a video about. I'm not a great admirer of DW but he does some good work and seems a decent guy. Isn't he going to be rather 'exposed' shall we say, if the story does all turn out to be BS? I expect he'll extricate himself somehow but it must damage his credibility? I mean if you take a step back and read the blue aliens stuff it just sounds plain daft (not that that means there is no truth to it because I'm sitting on the fence you see).

[Flash]

Just peradventure. I still don't quite know what to make of this Blue Avians thing so I'm sitting on the fence, which is preferable IMHO to jumping to conclusions when you really don't know. The character of the person we are talking about is one thing but doesn't necessarily mean that the info they are presenting is false. Which brings me to DW who seems to have bought into this story quite heavily and is making a video about. I'm not a great admirer of DW but he does some good work and seems a decent guy. Isn't he going to be rather 'exposed' shall we say, if the story does all turn out to be BS? I expect he'll extricate himself somehow but it must damage his credibility? I mean if you take a step back and read the blue aliens stuff it just sounds plain daft (not that that means there is no truth to it because I'm sitting on the fence you see).

We are here talking about Lash being archonically corrupted after a while, which seems to be true, and David Wilcock having lost his mind with the Blue Bird thing.

What I noticed is that quite good information coming from solid researchers at first, informations that may make things move and get the ordinary forum folks further, is being decimated through the mind of the same researchers. It seems that after a while their information gets corrupted.

And I do think it has to do with the researchers ' ego. Ego that are still human and too fragile are being played. I have seen it again and again, in real life and in alternative media.

When one is sure to be right, the ego is taking hold and can be twarted, twisted, played with. In fact, the ego is quite crazy and easily usable. Check your defense mecanism, they will get you otherwise, not defend you anymore. Always being on the look out, but not for out stuff, but for inner mishaps and inner misguidance, from the ego.

Not a joke, I could most probably tell you easily after a few years of posting here how the old members egos can be played, just by looking at their posts here on the forum. That easy. And the clever and less clever ones can surely say the same about me and my ego.

So, always check closely your ego, always, it is the achille heel of humanity in general.

[Becky]

Very well said, thank you Dennis.

[araucaria]

Cautionary note for anyone under any illusion about Internet security. If, say, you use a password-protected web browser to access a password-protected anonymous forum user account to mention “The Nine” when posting the content of a private Word file, do not be surprised to find in your spam filter an advertisement from a tie company called The Nines.


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It does not follow that the forum administration can or would read our PMs from the fact that someone else can and would and does. I am supposing that the forum software simply does not have such a feature, which is only not a problem to those with access to the entire contents of one’s computer. The lie is not at the level of the ‘can’ but at the level of ‘who can’ and ‘who does’.

[Bill Ryan]

the allegations of the link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216) are very serious, in my opinion.

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try.

I can't copy her PMs here, but I can copy mine:

1.
Hi, Laura! :)

Many thanks for this....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known

Can you say a little more, privately and in confidence? I may possibly be able to advise/help a little — and if I can, I'll be most delighted to do so.

With my warmest wishes to you ~ Bill2.
Hi again, Laura!

Happy to leave you to handle it in the best way you see fit. If you do choose to share anything with me, it will certainly stay right here and will go nowhere at all.

May I ask — do I know (or know of) this person? I do have quite a lot of personal experience with some figures in the alternative community, though in one or two cases I keep fairly quiet so as not to stir the pot too much. :)

My warmest regards ~ Bill3.
Hi, Laura —

All understood! Note that we can easily move the entire thread to a private area (maybe like Express Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?89-Express-Yourself), which is readable by members only) — and therefore not visible to the person you're referring to (and not Google-searchable, either). Do let us know... it's super-simple to do.

With all warmest wishes ~ Bill

[Pam]

Just peradventure. I still don't quite know what to make of this Blue Avians thing so I'm sitting on the fence, which is preferable IMHO to jumping to conclusions when you really don't know. The character of the person we are talking about is one thing but doesn't necessarily mean that the info they are presenting is false. Which brings me to DW who seems to have bought into this story quite heavily and is making a video about. I'm not a great admirer of DW but he does some good work and seems a decent guy. Isn't he going to be rather 'exposed' shall we say, if the story does all turn out to be BS? I expect he'll extricate himself somehow but it must damage his credibility? I mean if you take a step back and read the blue aliens stuff it just sounds plain daft (not that that means there is no truth to it because I'm sitting on the fence you see).

We are here talking about Lash being archonically corrupted after a while, which seems to be true, and David Wilcock having lost his mind with the Blue Bird thing.

What I noticed is that quite good information coming from solid researchers at first, informations that may make things move and get the ordinary forum folks further, is being decimated through the mind of the same researchers. It seems that after a while their information gets corrupted.

And I do think it has to do with the researchers ' ego. Ego that are still human and too fragile are being played. I have seen it again and again, in real life and in alternative media.

When one is sure to be right, the ego is taking hold and can be twarted, twisted, played with. In fact, the ego is quite crazy and easily usable. Check your defense mecanism, they will get you otherwise, not defend you anymore. Always being on the look out, but not for out stuff, but for inner mishaps and inner misguidance, from the ego.

Not a joke, I could most probably tell you easily after a few years of posting here how the old members egos can be played, just by looking at their posts here on the forum. That easy. And the clever and less clever ones can surely say the same about me and my ego.

So, always check closely your ego, always, it is the achille heel of humanity in general.

Thank you, Flash, for your common sense and sound wisdom.there is so much truth in what you said in this post. I guess the problem for most lie in the fact that this wisdom is not very exciting. It really does seem so true that we humans are so easily corrupted and addicted to a little notoriety.

What I have observed over the years is that everything that has human involvement will corrupt over time, and I do mean everything. The degree and rate of corruption vary, but it will become corrupt and it will always be ego that will do it. One sociopath unhindered can accelerate the rate of corruption exponentially. And we as humans seem to desperately seek someone outside ourselves to direct us, to give us answers, to lead us, until we realize that we have to do it for ourselves. That is a process that happens over time, faster for some, and not at all for others.

I look at folks hanging on every word of some of these self proclaimed "insiders" with all this info that can never be proved or disproved, and see people hanging on their every word and it makes me sad and angry. I am sad for the disappointment and embarrassment that will come when nothing that was foretold occurs, and angry that someone can put themselves on a pedestal for the benefit of ego, or for entertainment, or to act out a fantasy, or because they can be a unhindered sociopath on the internet so easily. I also need to remember that I have gone through the process of believing in doctrines only to find out that they existed for some other reason than what they proclaimed to be. If I hadn't then I never would have become sovereign and self directed, so maybe that is the silver lining here.

Anyway, Thanks for your wisdom, Flash

[Pam]

the allegations of the link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known&p=942216&viewfull=1#post942216) are very serious, in my opinion.

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try.

I can't copy her PMs here, but I can copy mine:

1.
Hi, Laura! :)

Many thanks for this....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80645-What-to-do-if-you-know-someone-is-spreading-misinformation-and-is-very-well-known

Can you say a little more, privately and in confidence? I may possibly be able to advise/help a little — and if I can, I'll be most delighted to do so.

With my warmest wishes to you ~ Bill2.
Hi again, Laura!

Happy to leave you to handle it in the best way you see fit. If you do choose to share anything with me, it will certainly stay right here and will go nowhere at all.

May I ask — do I know (or know of) this person? I do have quite a lot of personal experience with some figures in the alternative community, though in one or two cases I keep fairly quiet so as not to stir the pot too much. :)

My warmest regards ~ Bill3.
Hi, Laura —

All understood! Note that we can easily move the entire thread to a private area (maybe like Express Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?89-Express-Yourself), which is readable by members only) — and therefore not visible to the person you're referring to (and not Google-searchable, either). Do let us know... it's super-simple to do.

With all warmest wishes ~ Bill






Bill, Since you chose to share your private PMs, I guess you are willing to answer questions. I am very curious, why would you give "many thanks" to the author of this particular thread?

[Bill Ryan]

I am very curious, why would you give "many thanks" to the author of this particular thread?

If I'm PMing someone about a thread that they've started, whatever it is, I always thank them for it.

It's a courteous way of acknowledging them for their contribution, and also introducing myself (in this case, to a fairly new member I'd never written to before).

[Pam]

You are a gentleman, thank you for your response.

[psydney]

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.

[Dennis Leahy]

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.psydney, did you even read what I wrote above?

"...in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care..."

So, based on whispered innuendo and gossip over alleged off-forum interplay between consenting adults, Avalon has a "duty" to ____________________?

What if it was you? What if YOU (not the psydney pseudonym, but you by your real name) were the subject of nasty, sordid allegations? Should Avalon declare you guilty of something or warn people to stay away from you because you are "a potential hazard?"

You appear to be looking at this from an emotional standpoint, and allowing that to eclipse logic and reason, and the legal aspects of publicly picking up a pitchfork and a torch and publicly going after someone - based on innuendo delivered by a person hiding behind a Tolkien-character pseudonym! You'd have to be insanely naive (or have a hidden agenda) to demand that some sort of action be taken by the forum. IF there is something legally actionable between the parties allegedly involved in some off-forum activity, they are the only ones that can legally deal with it.

[gripreaper]

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[Elainie]

Just peradventure. I still don't quite know what to make of this Blue Avians thing so I'm sitting on the fence, which is preferable IMHO to jumping to conclusions when you really don't know. The character of the person we are talking about is one thing but doesn't necessarily mean that the info they are presenting is false. Which brings me to DW who seems to have bought into this story quite heavily and is making a video about. I'm not a great admirer of DW but he does some good work and seems a decent guy. Isn't he going to be rather 'exposed' shall we say, if the story does all turn out to be BS? I expect he'll extricate himself somehow but it must damage his credibility? I mean if you take a step back and read the blue aliens stuff it just sounds plain daft (not that that means there is no truth to it because I'm sitting on the fence you see).

We are here talking about Lash being archonically corrupted after a while, which seems to be true, and David Wilcock having lost his mind with the Blue Bird thing.

What I noticed is that quite good information coming from solid researchers at first, informations that may make things move and get the ordinary forum folks further, is being decimated through the mind of the same researchers. It seems that after a while their information gets corrupted.

And I do think it has to do with the researchers ' ego. Ego that are still human and too fragile are being played. I have seen it again and again, in real life and in alternative media.

When one is sure to be right, the ego is taking hold and can be twarted, twisted, played with. In fact, the ego is quite crazy and easily usable. Check your defense mecanism, they will get you otherwise, not defend you anymore. Always being on the look out, but not for out stuff, but for inner mishaps and inner misguidance, from the ego.

Not a joke, I could most probably tell you easily after a few years of posting here how the old members egos can be played, just by looking at their posts here on the forum. That easy. And the clever and less clever ones can surely say the same about me and my ego.

So, always check closely your ego, always, it is the achille heel of humanity in general.

Thank you, Flash, for your common sense and sound wisdom.there is so much truth in what you said in this post. I guess the problem for most lie in the fact that this wisdom is not very exciting. It really does seem so true that we humans are so easily corrupted and addicted to a little notoriety.

What I have observed over the years is that everything that has human involvement will corrupt over time, and I do mean everything. The degree and rate of corruption vary, but it will become corrupt and it will always be ego that will do it. One sociopath unhindered can accelerate the rate of corruption exponentially. And we as humans seem to desperately seek someone outside ourselves to direct us, to give us answers, to lead us, until we realize that we have to do it for ourselves. That is a process that happens over time, faster for some, and not at all for others.

I look at folks hanging on every word of some of these self proclaimed "insiders" with all this info that can never be proved or disproved, and see people hanging on their every word and it makes me sad and angry. I am sad for the disappointment and embarrassment that will come when nothing that was foretold occurs, and angry that someone can put themselves on a pedestal for the benefit of ego, or for entertainment, or to act out a fantasy, or because they can be a unhindered sociopath on the internet so easily. I also need to remember that I have gone through the process of believing in doctrines only to find out that they existed for some other reason than what they proclaimed to be. If I hadn't then I never would have become sovereign and self directed, so maybe that is the silver lining here.

Anyway, Thanks for your wisdom, Flash

Feel exactly as you do. Also feel I wasted precious time for years believing in doctrines, insider stories , etc; only to find out later it was all a hoax. I stopped paying attention to these stories years ago. These stories can never be proved, all we have to do is rely on blind faith and heresay. I'd rather work on my own growth and development.

[Carmody]

Likened to what I said, when I was 12 years old:

"You can try and try and try, until you are blue in the face, but you just can't tell them!"


"If not now... then when?"

"If not you... then who?"

Chart your own path, and lean into it ...and grind it down, until there is nothing left to grind, no matter the voice of other, no matter what may come to be. Get it done yourself, as it ain't happening any other way. No free rides. (Parasitism, no matter it's shape, no matter how subtle or convoluted it may be.... does not function. Parasitism cannot grow, it can only end.)

(this whole thing is kinda like the fight scene in 'Blazing Saddles', where it breaks out of the film, out of the studio, and through the wall of the studio cafeteria, into the parking lot....)

[Pam]

Likened to what I said, when I was 12 years old:

"You can try and try and try, until you are blue in the face, but you just can't tell them!"


"If not now... then when?"

"If not you... then who?"

Chart your own path, and lean into it ...and grind it down, until there is nothing left to grind, no matter the voice of other, no matter what may come to be. Get it done yourself, as it ain't happening any other way. No free rides. (Parasitism, no matter it's shape, no matter how subtle or convoluted it may be.... does not function. Parasitism cannot grow, it can only end.)

(this whole thing is kinda like the fight scene in 'Blazing Saddles', where it breaks out of the film, out of the studio, and through the wall of the studio cafeteria, into the parking lot....)



WOW!!!! Carmody,, that was so beautifully stated, really profound and gritty at the same time... now that is something I can use in my life....apply this and watch your life change for the better!!!!!

[Bill Ryan]

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Still utterly off-topic — and this really needs its own thread — but for those out there who (apparently, like lauraheath123, who is saying that I fabricated part of the second PM, and that the third never existed), here you are. Note that this 'Sent PM' page is not possible to amend or falsify.

If anyone who's a current Avalon member doubts my word about anything, they're totally free and welcome to retire themselves any time they wish. (But it seems those who DO doubt my word have already left, which is in fact a good thing for us all. As this is in the public view, this post is 99% for others to see with their own eyes.)

:)

http://projectavalon.net/lauraheath123_sent_PM_1.gif

http://projectavalon.net/lauraheath123_sent_PM_2.gif

http://projectavalon.net/lauraheath123_sent_PM_3.gif

[psydney]

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.psydney, did you even read what I wrote above?

I was hoping not to continue further with divergences from the topic, but yes, I have read your previous post and this one. Regarding your point about consenting adults, yes, I had thought that aspect wouldn't hold up in court. There are potentially other issues of a far less sensational nature.


So, based on whispered innuendo and gossip over alleged off-forum interplay between consenting adults, Avalon has a "duty" to ____________________?

What if it was you? What if YOU (not the psydney pseudonym, but you by your real name) were the subject of nasty, sordid allegations? Should Avalon declare you guilty of something or warn people to stay away from you because you are "a potential hazard?"

This is not what I was saying. You're trying to paint me as something that I'm not by your use of emotionally charged language, such as "declare", "guilty", "warn".


You appear to be looking at this from an emotional standpoint, and allowing that to eclipse logic and reason,


Actually, your statement seems more like a self-reflection than about me. Perhaps you should re-read my post.


and the legal aspects of publicly picking up a pitchfork and a torch and publicly going after someone - based on innuendo delivered by a person hiding behind a Tolkien-character pseudonym! You'd have to be insanely naive (or have a hidden agenda) to demand that some sort of action be taken by the forum.

Again, this is not what my post states and is not based on a Tolkien character.

And what you're doing illustrates what people have to be prepared to face when they want to speak up on Avalon on an issue that they consider needs to be addressed. They get accused of all sorts of things, demonised, attacked and shot down. (And I'm not referring to Bill here. Bill has been thoroughly decent, and I thank him for that.)

And so why am I bothering to go through this? I have to look at my motivations and say that something should be said. And so I've done that.


IF there is something legally actionable between the parties allegedly involved in some off-forum activity, they are the only ones that can legally deal with it.

I have always said they should seek their own legal advice and that was never in question. I've stated in my previous post what I thought needed to be said, and it's a point that I hope a few people have understood, at least Bill. And if you choose to ignore it, that's fine, I'm not on a crusade. I'm not trying to cause trouble here or derail a thread, and wish to end this post on a note of goodwill.

[psydney]

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Still utterly off-topic — and this really needs its own thread — but for those out there who (apparently, like lauraheath123, who is saying that I fabricated part of the second PM, and that the third never existed), here you are. Note that this 'Sent PM' page is not possible to amend or falsify ...

For the record, these claims are not coming from me. I have no reason to doubt what you are saying. And I do appreciate your transparency in showing us what you have done in this matter.

[Dennis Leahy]

If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.psydney, did you even read what I wrote above?

I was hoping not to continue further with divergences from the topic, but yes, I have read your previous post and this one. Regarding your point about consenting adults, yes, I had thought that aspect wouldn't hold up in court. There are potentially other issues of a far less sensational nature.


So, based on whispered innuendo and gossip over alleged off-forum interplay between consenting adults, Avalon has a "duty" to ____________________?

What if it was you? What if YOU (not the psydney pseudonym, but you by your real name) were the subject of nasty, sordid allegations? Should Avalon declare you guilty of something or warn people to stay away from you because you are "a potential hazard?"

This is not what I was saying. You're trying to paint me as something that I'm not by your use of emotionally charged language, such as "declare", "guilty", "warn".


You appear to be looking at this from an emotional standpoint, and allowing that to eclipse logic and reason,


Actually, your statement seems more like a self-reflection than about me. Perhaps you should re-read my post.


and the legal aspects of publicly picking up a pitchfork and a torch and publicly going after someone - based on innuendo delivered by a person hiding behind a Tolkien-character pseudonym! You'd have to be insanely naive (or have a hidden agenda) to demand that some sort of action be taken by the forum.

Again, this is not what my post states and is not based on a Tolkien character.

And what you're doing illustrates what people have to be prepared to face when they want to speak up on Avalon on an issue that they consider needs to be addressed. They get accused of all sorts of things, demonised, attacked and shot down. (And I'm not referring to Bill here. Bill has been thoroughly decent, and I thank him for that.)

And so why am I bothering to go through this? I have to look at my motivations and say that something should be said. And so I've done that.


IF there is something legally actionable between the parties allegedly involved in some off-forum activity, they are the only ones that can legally deal with it.

I have always said they should seek their own legal advice and that was never in question. I've stated in my previous post what I thought needed to be said, and it's a point that I hope a few people have understood, at least Bill. And if you choose to ignore it, that's fine, I'm not on a crusade. I'm not trying to cause trouble here or derail a thread, and wish to end this post on a note of goodwill.

You're deflecting.

I quoted you. You said the forum should do something, at least provide a warning. That is what I addressed. I won't reiterate what I said, but you asked that something be done.

I have my mod hat on. I'm asking you, what should be done?

I have already shown you the dilemma. While you're thinking of what the forum should do, I'll ask you if you'll be willing to do it, become a forum moderator, publish your real name, real photo, and real address (like I have) and publicly go after some other forum member based on something you were told third-hand. I'm not just asking if you would have the guts to do that (and risk legal recourse against yourself that WOULD stick - a public accusation is libel unless it can be proven to be true), I'm also asking if you really think that is fair and right to do to someone that you have no way of knowing the whole story about, and any pieces you think you know may be carefully orchestrated and out-of-context.

I'm not playing a word game, and I want to put closure to your comment that the forum is obliged to do something ("...in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care...")

Your parting shot at me, "And if you choose to ignore it" is disingenuous if not dishonest. I gave a large chunk of my time to "Aragorn" to try to find out fact from innuendo (he told me almost nothing, showed me nothing, and merely repeated nebulous, emotionally-charged accusations), the mods and admins discussed this at length, and I just spent even more time dispelling the notion you ascribe to. You know damn well I personally did not ignore this, and the Avalon staff didn't ignore this.

[psydney]

I quoted you. You said the forum should do something, at least provide a warning.

You did not quote me. I never said anything about providing a warning.


That is what I addressed. I won't reiterate what I said, but you asked that something be done.

I have my mod hat on. I'm asking you, what should be done?

I have already shown you the dilemma. While you're thinking of what the forum should do, I'll ask you if you'll be willing to do it, become a forum moderator, publish your real name, real photo, and real address (like I have) and publicly go after some other forum member based on something you were told third-hand. I'm not just asking if you would have the guts to do that (and risk legal recourse against yourself that WOULD stick - a public accusation is libel unless it can be proven to be true), I'm also asking if you really think that is fair and right to do to someone that you have no way of knowing the whole story about, and any pieces you think you know may be carefully orchestrated and out-of-context.


I didn't ask that something be done, I asked what has already been done. Bill has answered that question.




I'm not playing a word game, and I want to put closure to your comment that the forum is obliged to do something ("...in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care...")

I did not say "obliged". You are trying to put words in my mouth and distort what I have said.



Your parting shot at me, "And if you choose to ignore it"

Sorry, you've misunderstood what I wrote. Let me clarify: I was referring to "ignoring" my post, not to the larger issue or what anyone else has said.




is disingenuous if not dishonest. I gave a large chunk of my time to "Aragorn" to try to find out fact from innuendo (he told me almost nothing, showed me nothing, and merely repeated nebulous, emotionally-charged accusations), the mods and admins discussed this at length, and I just spent even more time dispelling the notion you ascribe to. You know damn well I personally did not ignore this, and the Avalon staff didn't ignore this.

Again, I was referring to my post and not what anyone else had said. I'm certainly not saying that the overall issue was ignored.

My responses to you seem to be largely clarifications. I believe that Bill did understand my posts and has already responded clearly and adequately. So it's unnecessary for you to comment further, as his comments don't need improvement on, in my opinion. Thank you for caring enough to spend so much time on this issue, and God bless you.

[ThePythonicCow]

I quoted you. You said the forum should do something, at least provide a warning.

You did not quote me. I never said anything about providing a warning.
From a couple posts above:




If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.psydney, did you even read what I wrote above?
I see Dennis quoting psydney suspecting that there is a duty of care to reduce potential hazards.

Absolutely, Dennis quoted psydney. You, psydney, are not correct to claim that Dennis did not quote you.

That is a Plain And Simple Fact.

[Dennis Leahy]

I quoted you. You said the forum should do something, at least provide a warning.

You did not quote me. I never said anything about providing a warning.

Are you seriously going to make this into a word game and try to hide what you said - and distort what I said? Yes, I did quote you. Do you want to see?
http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/psydneyQuote.jpg

Here is more of the same quoted material:

... in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to...

OK, so you're now saying that the phrase, "duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm)" does NOT mean that Avalon should somehow warn readers? I know you didn't use the word "warn" or "warning" - I paraphrased. So, tell me what that phrase meant. How exactly would Avalon exercise a "duty of care" without using a warning?


I didn't ask that something be done, I asked what has already been done.
OK, one more time: You said, "... in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to..." (the bold emphasis is mine.) I'm guessing that the words you used, especially "duty of care" DO indeed mean that you were asking that something be done. Please don't try to wiggle out of this. Stand by your words.



I did not say "obliged". You are trying to put words in my mouth and distort what I have said.
Right, you said "Avalon" [has a] "duty of care", and not the word "obliged." You said "duty", and if you look up the word duty in an English dictionary, you'll likely find the word "obliged" because that is what "duty" means. Again, a disingenuous word game and accusation on your part that I am distorting what you said when I clearly did not distort what you said.


it's unnecessary for you to comment further...Allow me to be the judge of when I do or do not need to comment further. After all the time that I personally and the entire Avalon staff spent on this to try to find out what the nebulous accusations even entailed (we still don't know!), and if there was anything we should do, I refuse to allow anyone to leave a stamp on this forum that insinuates the matter was not handled or mishandled or ignored. The Avalon staff NEVER even knew - and still don't know - whether anything "Aragorn" said was true, ("Aragorn" doesn't KNOW either, he is just puffed-up with white knight damsel-in-distress righteous indignation and THINKS he knows), and we sure as hell have no information that compels us (ethically, morally, or legally) to DO anything.

[psydney]

I quoted you. You said the forum should do something, at least provide a warning.

You did not quote me. I never said anything about providing a warning.
From a couple posts above:




If you're in touch with LauraHeath123, who has since left the forum, but is still active on the net elsewhere, she'll confirm (if she's being honest) that I PMed her three times offering support and assistance. Each time, she declined, and she ended the exchange herself. It was plain she did not want to share anything with me, but I did try ...


Thank you Bill. It's reassuring to know that you did try. I briefly had direct contact with a few people who had a bad experience from that thread, I won't mention any names here, and one of them was attempting to put me in touch with another person who was looking for help. There were others coming forward, which made me think it's a serious problem. That's all I dare say here publicly, and that may be too much. For those who've already been affected, yes they should seek legal advice. But in terms of Avalon, I also suspect there could be a duty of care to reduce potential hazards (and future harm), especially those hazards that members have drawn attention to, of course keeping fairness in mind.psydney, did you even read what I wrote above?
I see Dennis quoting psydney suspecting that there is a duty of care to reduce potential hazards.

Absolutely, Dennis quoted psydney. You, psydney, are not correct to claim that Dennis did not quote you.

That is a Plain And Simple Fact.

My point is that statement does not mean "providing a warning". He claimed that I asked for provision of a warning. That isn't the same as a duty of care. And I didn't say there was definitely a duty of care, I said I suspect there might be. I never said anything about a warning. I'm really tired of these attacks and so I'lll be exiting this thread.

[araucaria]

He claimed that I asked for provision of a warning. That isn't the same as a duty of care. And I didn't say there was definitely a duty of care, I said I suspect there might be. I never said anything about a warning. I'm really tired of these attacks and so I'lll be exiting this thread.
psydney, I see no attacks here. You were invited to explain what duty of care means when it doesn't mean warning; why don't you just answer a simple request for clarification of your own usage?

I have a little person at my house today. My duty of care involves warning her of possible hazards, as well as maybe closing a door, removing a sharp object or discreetly guiding her where I want her to go. My duty of care to adults is limited to the warnings. What are you suggesting for Project Avalon with regard to its users, who are grown adults? This is a simple request for clarification of what you mean. If you won't answer, then you have simply been wasting people's time, in which case you might like to tell us why; because if you don't, others will find an explanation that you may not like.

[turiya]

Adding that this same group (Avairy) are part of a group of friends who worked on the Nine... Andrija Puharich, Russell Targ, Ira Einhorn, Geller, etc.... and they are basically from the same circle of friends

A quote:


I am the beginning. I am the end. I am the emissary. But the original time I was on the Planet Earth was 34,000 of your years ago. I am the balance. And when I say "I" - I mean because I am an emissary for The Nine. It is not I , but it is the group.We are nine principles of the Universe, yet together we are one.

The declaration above is typical of the channeled pronouncements of the Council of Nine - or just 'The Nine'. They contain all the usual New Age ingredients of grandiose statements, shaky grammar and unprovable predictions. But unlike all the other channeling cults, that of The Nine has serious clout. Perhaps the reason for this is that they claim to be the Ennead, or the nine major gods of ancient Egypt (see panel). Or could there be another reason, one that owes more to The X-Files than the Pyramid Texts? Although The Nine may appear to be quintessentially a modern phenomenon, our research uncovered its truly astonishing pedigree. In fact, the story begins nearly 50 years ago, in a private research laboratory in Glen Cove, Maine, called the Round Table Foundation, run by a medical doctor named Andrija Puharich (also known as Henry K Puharich). Set up in 1948 to research the paranormal, among the noted psychics studied at the Foundation were the famous Irish medium Eileen Garrett and the Dutch clairvoyant Peter Hurkos (Pieter van de Hirk).Prominent members included the influential philosopher and inventor Arthur M Young and the socialite Alice Bouverie (née Astor).

In December 1952, Puharich brought into his laboratory an Indian mystic named Dr D G Vinod, who began to channel The Nine or 'the Nine Principles'. In the months before Vinod returned to India, a group met regularly to hear The Nine's channeled wisdom. Never known for their modesty, The Nine proclaimed themselves to be God, stating "God is nobody else than we together, the Nine Principles of God."

Three years later, there appeared to be independent confirmation of their existence. In Mexico, Puharich and Young met Charles and Lillian Laughead, former Christian missionaries who were by then prominent in the burgeoning UFO contactee movement. (For a description of their involvement in the Dorothy Martin circle, see Jerome Clark's 'When Prophecy Failed' in FT117.) Back in the States a few weeks later, Puharich received a letter from the Laugheads containing messages received by their group's channeller. This message also claimed to come from the Nine Principles, even - amazingly - including references to the earlier communications transmitted through Dr Vinod. Could The Nine possibly be for real?

Perhaps the answer is embedded in the career of Puharich himself. After disbanding the Round Table Foundation in 1958, he worked for 10 years as an inventor of medical devices and achieved international recognition as a parapsychologist, most famously studying the Brazilian psychic surgeon, Arigo (José Pedro de Freitas). But all that was to pale into insignificance because, in 1971, Puharich discovered Uri Geller.

At their first meetings in Tel Aviv in 1971, Puharich hypnotized Geller in an attempt to find out where his abilities came from. As a result, the young Israeli started to channel 'Spectra' - an entity which claimed to be a conscious super-computer aboard a spaceship. However, Puharich suggested to him that there might be a connection with the Nine Principles, and Spectra readily agreed that there was. The Nine claimed that they had programmed Geller with his powers as a young child.

Through Geller, The Nine alerted Puharich to his life's mission, which was to use Geller's talents to alert the world to an imminent mass landing of spaceships that would bring representatives of The Nine

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm

You all know who is head of the Nine eh? That would be Ra....and rumor has it the Blue Avains are in league with Ra no?

miuccNqLq4o
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the history of The Nine is its relationship to the career of Andrija Puharich. Recent research has revealed Puharich to have a distinctly sinister side. As an Army doctor in the 1950s, he was deeply involved with the CIA's notorious MKULTRA mind control project (see panel). He - together with the infamous Dr Sidney Gottlieb - experimented with a variety of techniques to change or induce actual thought processes.

The evidence we have gathered strongly suggests that Tom and his fellow gods originated, not in the stars, but behind closed doors as part of a CIA mind control experiment. And what happened to that experiment? Now with hundreds of thousands of devotees, some in very high places, can The Nine be deemed a success? Of course, that depends very much on what the CIA had in mind.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm


This is Cross-Posted on the Chris Thomas Update on Human Evolution thread... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=951646&viewfull=1#post951646)

Thank you, Shadowself, for bringing forth this information.

I would like to add to this something I've come across concerning the 30 some years of research that Chris Thomas has found. Chris Thomas is a psychic healer, and at an early age he found that he was born with a "hard-wired" direct connection to the Akashic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records).

From his research, Chris has found that there is a group of ETs that have come to believe that they are "God's Chosen Race of Beings" that are meant to live on "God's Chosen Planet", and that 'chosen planet' happens to be Earth.

Of particular interest, Chris Thomas has included the "The Council of Nine" on a list of ET Alien disguises that a race of ETs known as the Velon, of which the Annunaki, the Hathor & others, are but sub-races of. This race of Velon/Annunaki/Hathor/etc. have used their psychic abilitities to masquerade as various spiritual & non spiritual entities, in their continuous attempt to confuse the masses of human beings on this planet, for the specific purpose of preventing us from becoming more consciously aware. These semi-physical entities play on both sides of the benevolent/malevolent spectrum, sometimes appearing as Reptilians, and other times appearing as a variety of Ascended Masters.

Chris Thomas writes:
"The Velon are a very determined race and have adopted many disguises in an attempt to fool people. These disguises include, but are not limited to:
The Galactic Council, Galactic Federation, The Council of Nine, Ascended Masters, Ashtar Command, Mary Magdalene, the Christ Consciousness (Lord Sananda), Lord Metatron, Orions, Reptilians,Tall White Nordics, Watchers, Nephilim, Dracos, Ascended Sirians, Venusians, Saturnians and Angels."
SOURCE (http://www.scribd.com/doc/118953959/Understanding-Change-by-Chris-Thomas): http://www.scribd.com/doc/118953959/Understanding-Change-by-Chris-Thomas

[Shadowself]

Thanks turiya for the Information. I'm not familiar with Chris Thomas but I'll look into it. On the other hand I know a whole bunch about "the nine" I would love to share. Perhaps we should start a thread on it and I'll share what I know?

There's an ebook I read about two days ago where the nine has a chapter of it's own:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105776670/H-G-M-Hermans-MEMORIES-OF-A-MAVERICK-pdf#scribd


Page 104 I believe.

I apologize in advance for the "off topic'...but I find this far more interesting than the saga going on which is toxic and I really feel Bill was right...if you feel the need to leave...leave. If you want to research some interesting topics without the struggle of he said she said....go for it. I for one plan on staying right here.

[Carmody]

Just a small bit from the backdrop (for those bemused by the situation):

"duty of care" in it's implicated form, as a structured communication, in this thread....is specifically capable of being used as a legal premise ...and it should in no way whatsoever be accepted, in print, or in ideal, or in concept... by members of this forum, or accepted by moderation or the ownership of this forum. Which is what Araucaria was clarifying. And what Dennis seemingly went after. To break down that implication. Wording, it's meaning, it acceptance and it's implications, in some cases, must be carefully handled.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Well, so much for the discussion on Blue Avians ...




http://i.imgur.com/RFSgkaw.webm





B. :behindsofa:

[araucaria]

Well, so much for the discussion on Blue Avians ...




http://i.imgur.com/RFSgkaw.webm





B. :behindsofa:
Well, Fellow Aspirant, I don’t think we have strayed too far off-topic: just a few nested parentheses that I might be able to close. Your aircraft has not crashed (yet), it has simply looped the loop.

Let me make the following points. My ‘educated guess’ was not far wrong: Aragorn – no, psydney, we are not talking about a Tolkien character but a former forum member with that as his ‘screen’ name – Aragorn was unsubscribed for doling out to Bill the exact same treatment as he did to this anonymous third party cited by LauraHeath123: unsubstantiated accusation in both cases, tending towards a veritable modus operandi. And now we have LauraHeath123 denying evidence that can and has been substantiated by Bill. The relevance of all the above to this thread, which is about GoodeTxSG, has not changed from my earlier post.

To bring this post back on topic (if it ever strayed): one member who was relaying ‘posthumous’ messages from the unsubscribed GoodETxSG back then – the way Fellow Aspirant is doing now – was Aragorn, who has since been banned.
We have come a full circle. GoodETxSG’s material comes in two flavours: Blue Avians, and smear directed at the forum in general and at Bill in particular. So Aragorn has been contributing to the latter both on his own account and on GoodETxSG’s behalf.

The circle began by my reacting to you, Brian, which is where we are back now. Leaving Aragorn out of it, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what merits the Blue Avians material can have when it is so nastily and contradictorily packaged. You don’t lace a love letter with anthrax, you enclose a flower. It becomes well nigh impossible even to begin to accept the one and ignore the other.

I have just seen your addition to your opening post. I nearly missed it altogether, having been distracted by your ‘crash’ post. I think you should bring your new opening comments down to this point in the thread where they would form a logical sequence. I disagree that we have been muddying the waters. I think the waters were sticky with mud from the outset, and I think we know why. I understand what you are trying to do, but I don’t think starting another thread was such a good idea, that’s all.

[Ewan]

Well, so much for the discussion on Blue Avians ...




http://i.imgur.com/RFSgkaw.webm





B. :behindsofa:

Ah thank you, I really needed a laugh after reading the last two pages with increasing despair. :D

[Bill Ryan]

Well, so much for the discussion on Blue Avians ...

http://i.imgur.com/RFSgkaw.webm




Fellow Aspirant, that's really quite wonderful. :)

Here as an animated gif:


http://i.imgur.com/RFSgkaw.gif

[Feritciva]

Feel exactly as you do. Also feel I wasted precious time for years believing in doctrines, insider stories , etc; only to find out later it was all a hoax. I stopped paying attention to these stories years ago. These stories can never be proved, all we have to do is rely on blind faith and heresay. I'd rather work on my own growth and development.


Between dialogue-posts this extremely important post should not be missed.

This is a great summary. I also follow John Lash War Party thread here on Avalon and it also thought me a lot - because I was seeing John Lash as an important source for my research. But one by one all these "story-tellers" find their real worth - and we find ourselves with our own thoughts - beliefs - feelings etc.

It's definitely better to work on ourselves. Yes, story-tellers are interesting, I admit (Atticus, GoodETX, Simon, Cobra, David Wilcock etc. etc.) but they are only fingers pointing to the moon. The moon itself is antoher story - one that only can be found with serious self-realization and self-work.

[Pam]

If one does not agree with and accept blindly everything C says, then one is attacked by him.. I find that to be a barbaric tactic.. Barbaric and reprehensible... Especially from the new messiah of the blue bird saviors... I could yawn here,, but then C would say it was a designed attack on him and he has the secret emails to prove it... lol...

Anyone supposing to represent ME to a higher being, or group of beings can piss off. That is not how it is done!!! Higher beings are working with individuals on an individual basis.. Contact will be personal and unique.. Mine is... I wouldn't pretend to represent any other soul... It is quite humbling and personally spiritual, (for lack of a better word)..

Instead, what we get is attack after attack from C,, just spit and hate,,, from a self proclaimed savior,, working with yet another group of savior beings...

All this has changed for me is now I know that DW will believe anything..

NOBODY IS GOING TO SAVE US!!! We have to save ourselves.. ANYONE claiming to be a savior is playing you for a fool...

All groups, religions, governments, social movements throughout history have been infultrated and controlled by the bastards in power... The new movement of personal sovereignty and awakening is being stampped out by yet another move to get us to forget our sovereignty, and look to a savior.

I have had my own personal contact out of my body... It would be the most despicable act of self betrayal to pretend to represent any other person to this group.. NOBODY represents me,, absolutely not... if that is what you are lookoing for then by all means,,, sit on your hands and wait to be saved...

Or, buy the book... Ha! I am sure one is coming...

(Yawn)
Jake


Amen!!!! You have encapsulated more wisdom in this single post than I, personally, could get from everything ever written by all the self proclaimed insiders and whistleblowers around.

I have always been intrigued by the number of sociopaths that use the guise of being in the CIA or some other secret government operation to perpetuate their dishonesty and to control those that are vulnerable. I think the UFO, Secret Space Program, New Age, Mind control genre works even better. Discrepancies can easily be dealt with and explained away with concepts like remote viewing , meditative trances, time regression, info from other "confidential insiders". And there is the desperation of so many vulnerable folks that are desperately seeking a solution to the mess we are in who will turn off that inner voice of reason to "follow". What better recipe to attract sociopaths.

The final question is what does this information really do for you? If you are going to invest yourself in someone else's story, ask your self how can you benefit from this? What does the information do for you? Do you believe that these Blue Avians would select an individual that resorts to bitterness, backbiting and gossip? That devotes a considerable amount of time spouting negativity about others? What I saw on another forum reminded me of a bunch of mean teenage girls having a bitch fest at someone else's expense. And yes, our whistleblower, insider, guru was right in the midst of it. Out of all the folks available, this is one they chose???? I do not feel that they would, and I don't think they did. If in fact it is true, than I do not value their judgement.

[Elainie]

Advice from a bird:




In Tibet's ancient shamanistic tradition the cuckoo was a magical
bird, the king of birds. As the cuckoo's first call is the harbinger
of spring, so the six verses of the Cuckoo's Song of Total
Presence introduce the total presence of the nature of mind.
The six lines of the Cuckoo's Song are also known as the Six
Vajra Verses. They are considered to be the root text of the
Dzogchen Mind Series tradition out of which the entire view,
meditation and action of Dzogchen may be extrapolated. If the
meaning of the verses in Tibetan is simple, the expression of
that meaning in English is no simple matter.


"The nature of multiplicity is nondual
and things in themselves are pure and simple;
being here and now is thought-free
and it shines out in all forms, always all good;
it is already perfect, so the striving sickness is avoided
and spontaneity is constantly present."

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re: Araucaria's request, which was ...

I have just seen your addition to your opening post. I nearly missed it altogether, having been distracted by your ‘crash’ post. I think you should bring your new opening comments down to this point in the thread where they would form a logical sequence.

Seems like a good idea, so ...

"I feel I must interject here with a supplement to my original post, in a hopeful attempt to clarify my intent and position with respect to it.

Firstly, the “Blue Avians”: while I thank those members who have supplied valuable information about ‘The Aviary’, the “Blue Avians” of which Corey Goode speaks are not human. The name may have been incorporated by Goode to describe the entities involved in his story, but that’s about where the similarities end. Goode’s are far more fantastic:

In his recounting, the Blue Avians are higher density in nature, even as high as 8th or 9th . They assume the form of actual birdlike creatures, with bird heads clad in shimmering indigo/violet feathers; they have entered our solar system accompanied by hundreds of planet-sized orbs (devices) that are now “cloaked” and waiting for …? The Blue Avians do not use these things as vehicles because they travel from place to place instantaneously on the basis of thought – they think about where they want to go and immediately occupy that position in time and or space.
Their mission is to put a stop to the negative behaviour of any and all entities concerned with earth. Among other things. Whew! A tall order. At least, that’s my take on the story.

Wilcock identified the “message” of these entities as being the same as those channelled by his (recently deceased) former partner, Carla Rueckert, which were published as ‘The Law of One’. So that’s a possible reason for why he is on board with the Blue Avian saga."

Brian

[Elainie]

Re: Araucaria's request, which was ...

I have just seen your addition to your opening post. I nearly missed it altogether, having been distracted by your ‘crash’ post. I think you should bring your new opening comments down to this point in the thread where they would form a logical sequence.

Seems like a good idea, so ...

"I feel I must interject here with a supplement to my original post, in a hopeful attempt to clarify my intent and position with respect to it.

Firstly, the “Blue Avians”: while I thank those members who have supplied valuable information about ‘The Aviary’, the “Blue Avians” of which Corey Goode speaks are not human. The name may have been incorporated by Goode to describe the entities involved in his story, but that’s about where the similarities end. Goode’s are far more fantastic:

In his recounting, the Blue Avians are higher density in nature, even as high as 8th or 9th . They assume the form of actual birdlike creatures, with bird heads clad in shimmering indigo/violet feathers; they have entered our solar system accompanied by hundreds of planet-sized orbs (devices) that are now “cloaked” and waiting for …? The Blue Avians do not use these things as vehicles because they travel from place to place instantaneously on the basis of thought – they think about where they want to go and immediately occupy that position in time and or space.
Their mission is to put a stop to the negative behaviour of any and all entities concerned with earth. Among other things. Whew! A tall order. At least, that’s my take on the story.

Wilcock identified the “message” of these entities as being the same as those channelled by his (recently deceased) former partner, Carla Rueckert, which were published as ‘The Law of One’. So that’s a possible reason for why he is on board with the Blue Avian saga."

Brian



Yes, it's DW's soft spot (Law Of One/Ra) just as the Annunaki are for Kerry, blonde Nordic women for other researchers, hollowed planets for Hoagland, list goes on.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Thanks for the response and "upgrade" to my link, Bill. For best effect, it's always better to have a working Gif in the post, but I don't know how to do it. :o

And thanks or taking the post in the spirit in which I meant it. I thought we could all use some levity about now. :cool:

Brian

[3(C)+me]

Damn, some of you guys are really good writers, this is why to I curse this forum because we have some members here who are smart and are good writers and write things I am thinking but could not write down so clearly and concisely. Carry on mates.

Continue to imspire me :flower:

[Carmody]

'Cruise', I think. Not curse. Both may feel correct at times. Indubitably Freudian.

Ah... the monk(ey) in the human....smartards that we are, born with our legs crossed so we can take a trip with every lurch forward.


~~~~~~~~~~
Within the sphere of human cognition and communication, the lies and the falsehoods reach their most extreme point, at the edge of endings and change. The 'final moves' tend to be the most extreme.... last gasps, so to speak. Endgames.

The highest level of chemical and biological stressing that a human being will ever undergo, the point that it will be most alive, is the exact moment of dying. Polarities meet, 'in exremis'.

So look around you now, and ask yourself ...what is going on in this world.


Just something that came to mind, something that is now 20 years old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZbzuuMtL8)(simple thought/word association/recall, nothing intended)

[Roisin]

Re: Araucaria's request, which was ...

I have just seen your addition to your opening post. I nearly missed it altogether, having been distracted by your ‘crash’ post. I think you should bring your new opening comments down to this point in the thread where they would form a logical sequence.

Seems like a good idea, so ...

"I feel I must interject here with a supplement to my original post, in a hopeful attempt to clarify my intent and position with respect to it.

Firstly, the “Blue Avians”: while I thank those members who have supplied valuable information about ‘The Aviary’, the “Blue Avians” of which Corey Goode speaks are not human. The name may have been incorporated by Goode to describe the entities involved in his story, but that’s about where the similarities end. Goode’s are far more fantastic:

In his recounting, the Blue Avians are higher density in nature, even as high as 8th or 9th . They assume the form of actual birdlike creatures, with bird heads clad in shimmering indigo/violet feathers; they have entered our solar system accompanied by hundreds of planet-sized orbs (devices) that are now “cloaked” and waiting for …? The Blue Avians do not use these things as vehicles because they travel from place to place instantaneously on the basis of thought – they think about where they want to go and immediately occupy that position in time and or space.
Their mission is to put a stop to the negative behaviour of any and all entities concerned with earth. Among other things. Whew! A tall order. At least, that’s my take on the story.

Wilcock identified the “message” of these entities as being the same as those channelled by his (recently deceased) former partner, Carla Rueckert, which were published as ‘The Law of One’. So that’s a possible reason for why he is on board with the Blue Avian saga."

Brian

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/birdman.jpg

Here’s a screenshot from a short video I recorded with my webcam back in 2008. During that time I was in a high active psychic period and when it’s like that with me, anomalous things show up in my photographs and webcam video’s. Anyway, amongst other things a BIRDMAN showed up in that recording as seen in the yellow box. Did I believe in such things as birdmen… nope. Do I believe that such intelligences exist somewhere now after finding one in one of my video’s? Well, let’s just say that I’m not ruling it out.
If anyone is skeptical of the veracity of what’s showing in this screenshot, if you pay for it, I’ll gladly take a polygraph test at a professional polygraph service of your choice in my local area (Cleveland, ohio).

__________________________________
During that time, I was doing fog experiments. Here's a screenshot from another short video I recorded where the partial face of a deceased relative showed up in my recording.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/dad_1.png

[PurpleLama]

Re: Araucaria's request, which was ...

I have just seen your addition to your opening post. I nearly missed it altogether, having been distracted by your ‘crash’ post. I think you should bring your new opening comments down to this point in the thread where they would form a logical sequence.

Seems like a good idea, so ...

"I feel I must interject here with a supplement to my original post, in a hopeful attempt to clarify my intent and position with respect to it.

Firstly, the “Blue Avians”: while I thank those members who have supplied valuable information about ‘The Aviary’, the “Blue Avians” of which Corey Goode speaks are not human. The name may have been incorporated by Goode to describe the entities involved in his story, but that’s about where the similarities end. Goode’s are far more fantastic:

In his recounting, the Blue Avians are higher density in nature, even as high as 8th or 9th . They assume the form of actual birdlike creatures, with bird heads clad in shimmering indigo/violet feathers; they have entered our solar system accompanied by hundreds of planet-sized orbs (devices) that are now “cloaked” and waiting for …? The Blue Avians do not use these things as vehicles because they travel from place to place instantaneously on the basis of thought – they think about where they want to go and immediately occupy that position in time and or space.
Their mission is to put a stop to the negative behaviour of any and all entities concerned with earth. Among other things. Whew! A tall order. At least, that’s my take on the story.

Wilcock identified the “message” of these entities as being the same as those channelled by his (recently deceased) former partner, Carla Rueckert, which were published as ‘The Law of One’. So that’s a possible reason for why he is on board with the Blue Avian saga."

Brian

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/birdman.jpg

Here’s a screenshot from a short video I recorded with my webcam back in 2008. During that time I was in a high active psychic period and when it’s like that with me, anomalous things show up in my photographs and webcam video’s. Anyway, amongst other things a BIRDMAN showed up in that recording as seen in the yellow box. Did I believe in such things as birdmen… nope. Do I believe that such intelligences exist somewhere now after finding one in one of my video’s? Well, let’s just say that I’m not ruling it out.
If anyone is skeptical of the veracity of what’s showing in this screenshot, if you pay for it, I’ll gladly take a polygraph test at a professional polygraph service of your choice in my local area (Cleveland, ohio).

__________________________________
During that time, I was doing fog experiments. Here's a screenshot from another short video I recorded where the partial face of a deceased relative showed up in my recording.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/dad_1.png

I dunno, it looks to me more like one of these.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/09/article-2338608-18802C73000005DC-145_634x433.jpg

[Roisin]

Lol.... well, I'm seeing that that face has a pointed beak on it... like a bird but I does look like it has a shaggy head of hair on top of it like the pony in your photo... thanks for sharing. :)

The birdman in my screenshot also looks like it's got long teeth too that is seen under its beak.

update:
I just roughly outlined in red that birdman.... sort of looks like it has a shaggy mohawk.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/birdmanxz.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e3/58/fb/e358fb0dee84ee994d5e587278853382.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e4/79/24/e479240f1f580475ed25c57371850590.jpg

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images25/ChipooChihuahuaPoodleHybridDogsMohawk1.jpg

[BMJ]

Thanks for that Fellow Aspirant, the video made my day. :bigsmile:

[giovonni]

will share this here


Coast To Coast AM - April 13, 2015

Decision Making/ Disclosure & Whistleblowers

Host: George Noory
Guests: Paul O'Brien, Michael E. Salla

"In the first half, Paul O’Brien, a bootstrap entrepreneur who took something he loved and turned it into an internet business with 10 million registered members, talked about his new book (available as free ebook download), Great Decisions, Perfect Timing. Young people should embark upon a period of self-discovery, trying out different things, taking risks, and not being afraid to fail, he advised. Trusting your intuition and knowing your personal mission in life connects with making good decisions and the right timing for them, he noted, adding that a light meditation practice helps people access their intuition.

A good definition of success is to make a living off something that is meaningful to you, not necessarily making a lot of money, he commented. O'Brien detailed how his labor of love, inventing a new category of software in 1989, turned into the world’s largest astrology and divination website and brought him much financial success, even though that hadn't been his primary goal. He also talked about how the Chinese I Ching divination system-- "the original change management tool" can be used as a way to stimulate intuition rather than as a fortune telling device."

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"In the latter half, Dr. Michael Salla, a pioneer in the development of exopolitics, discussed how ET disclosure could become an issue in the 2016 presidential election, and shared whistleblowers' revelations about secret space programs. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announcement may turn out to be significant for the UFO disclosure movement, given that she's shown an interest in the topic, and that John Podesta will likely be her campaign manager. Podesta has gone public on his quest to have classified UFO files released, Salla pointed out, adding that various media such as Mother Jones are already picking up on the story.

He revealed details from a new whistleblower named "Corey" who claims to have worked with a number of secret space programs. There are five contemporary secret space programs, and 5-7 past programs that are related to ancient civilizations, according to Corey, who also reported that a "Blue Avian" species of ETs that are 8 ft.-tall have placed our entire solar system under a kind of quarantine. Salla spoke about the revelations of Randy Cramer, who claims to have served in a military program on Mars for 17 years, was decapitated twice, and revived with transplant surgery. It was just announced that the first head transplant surgery will be conducted on a Russian man by Italian surgeon Sergio Canavero, lending credence to Cramer's claims, Salla remarked."

News segment guests: Gary Ridenour, John Hogue, Steve Kates

program descriptive page here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/04/13)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxK1mXFZiSI

[Pam]

I found this in The Freedom Articles, written by Makia Freeman


Is the Mars Disclosure Being Authorized by Top Military Officers?

Surprisingly, Cramer reveals that he is being given the green light to go ahead and speak publicly about his experiences. As part of the “USMC ss” (United States Marine Corps – Special Service), he states that his commander, Brigadier-General Julian Smythe, has given him full permission to share his story. Cramer claims his supervisor actually wanted him to speak publicly about it. If Cramer is authentic and telling the truth, this means the official military and governmental endorsement to release a massive amount of sensitive and classified information, all of which would normally be kept completely hidden from the public under that hackneyed rubric “national security”. It means Government-sanctioned Mars disclosure.

Cramer presents himself as a marine, part of a special division known as the USMC ss (United States Marine Corps, special section). He claims a legal basis for this Mars disclosure: article 21 of the USMC code, which allows marine officers to speak publicly about their activities, without breaking their oath of secrecy, if they have exhausted all other avenues to uphold law in the face of a treasonous and seditious elite.
Key Points of Cramer’s Mars Disclosure Account

Below is a summary of the key points of Cramer’s account from many of his interviews:

Project Moonshadow: Randy Cramer was born in 1970, was trained from 3.5 years old to 17 years old as part of Project Mannequin (a global military supersoldier project). He later participated in Project Moonshadow (300 supersoldiers). According to Cramer, mind control after 1960 moved from MK Ultra (trauma-based) to Project Moonshadow (more cooperative-based). Moonshadow’s aim was not to create faster, stronger killers, but faster, stronger, more moral heroes, the modern supersoldiers.
17 years on Mars: He did a 20 year tour of duty, serving off planet, mostly on Mars (17 years), but also aboard a spaceship capable of interplanetary travel (the EDF SS Nautilus). He was also present at a US military base on the Moon, where he worked briefly for the Lunar Operations Command (on back side of the moon), as part of the EDF (Earth Defence Force).
The MCC: For the majority of his time in space, Cramer worked as part of the MDF (Mars Defense Force), under the MCC (Mars Colony Corporation). The MCC is a consortium of governments, banks, technological companies, etc. which is operating mining and other operations on Mars.
Life on Mars: He first touched down on Mars at Aries Prime, and worked at Forward Station Zebra. Most Martian facilities are underground. Forward Station Zebra was the most forward and northernmost station. He always went further north to fight, never south, so never saw the colonies way to the south of his location. Cramer reveals that he could breathe the air on Mars, but with a little difficulty, and normally used a kind of powered environment suit to walk on surface. He mentions that on the equitorial regions of Marts, you can walk on the surface without a suit and still breathe; it’s like thin mountain air. He says it occasionally snowed there, but the snow on Mars falls more slowly than snow on Earth. Cramer’s tasks involved mostly security and patrolling.
Native Species on Mars: He occasionally had interaction with 2 native Martian species, 1 reptoid and 1 insectoid. The southern tribes were more aggressive than the northern tribes.
A Catastrophic Event: There were some local skirmishes and small battles, but the colony of humans there mostly got along with these 2 species, until the Draconian reptilians got involved – at which point it became a brutal 4-way war. The native reptoid species were able to easily overcome the Draco Reptilians militarily, but nonetheless, a war erupted until a catastrophic event almost wiped out Cramer’s entire station and its sister station. Since there were around 260 military personnel stationed at each of these bases, this event resulted in the death of (at least) around 520 people.
Piloting a Spaceship: After the disaster, Cramer was sent to flight school, became a pilot, and served aboard the EDF SS Nautilus spaceship.
Return to Earth: At the end of his time, he was regressed and brought back into a younger cloned body of 17 years old and inserted back into Earth life. It took him a lot of effort and inner psychological work to retrieve these memories and integrate them back into his life.




What I wonder is this? What is the point of giving these guys new cloned, young bodies after they serve? So Randy does his 20 years of secret service on Mars, he is away from anyone that knows him. Now 20 years later he comes back in a cloned body of a 17 year old. Was it his cloned body,a 17 yr old duplicate of himself.or was he a cloned duplicate of someone else? If he is a duplicate of himself he obviously could not go back to his family and maintain secrecy. I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am really trying to openly look at a few of these stories. The way I am seeing it, it doesn't make sense.

Does the Government that always wants to put a very careful spin on events now want to give free license to Randy to freely tell his story anyway that he choses? That does not see right either.

[Sirius White]

His solar warden and milab info and experiences resonate.

But the blue avian/sphere alliance thing seems like chikenfeed, and it reminds me of Wilcocks "Hippies from Outerspace" thing, watch out brother!

I know for SURE the "annunaki" are BACK IN TOWN. To me, it seems as a means to cover up their presence, and replace it with "good guys who want to help us" scenario from the "inside." They have been VERY good at suppressing the "return of the Gods." Because actually, the CABAL would NOT be stoked, at ALL to have them back, because they swore fealty to the "rebel" (The firstborn of the Serpent) who is currently at the top of almost all of their infrastructure on earth. In otherwords, if the "cabal" were afraid of anyone, it would actually be the "returning annunaki." That is what you have to watch out in regards to a potential war or hostile action....

And this seems like a rouse in which Corey has been given real, great intel and information, and then possibly as a set up for more of Wilcock's "hippies from outer space against cabal" kind of chickenfeed info. Be careful brother!!!!

Corey is awesome and his intel is amazing, but it is because of this he will be target for disinfo, whether his insider knows it or not. Just a heads up to you bro!

[araucaria]

Well, so much for the discussion on Blue Avians ...



Copying this here:

~~~

TheRuiner posted on 3/28/2015 (http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/03/avians.html):


Avians

There are ET's known as Avians. Each group of Avians uses the name of a colour to represent themselves.

There has been a lot of talk around the Internet about "Blue Avians" and this is rather laughable. "Blue Avians" do not exist. They are and have always been used as part of a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs, Cloning Programs and Culture Creator programs. (Katy Perry has been in contact with the Blue Avians, as has Lady Gaga, as example)

The Avians assisted the Annunaki by distributing language and religion to different parts of the world. In plain speak, they distributed the disinformation that would become the control system we know today. They attached themselves to the "god" RA and told humans they were the messenger of RA. They were doing this as part of an order made by the Annunaki.

Secret Societies honor the Avians by wearing "Bird masks" at high level luxury parties and rituals. We call these .. dun dun dun.. Avian Masks. The host of the party wears.. You guessed it, a BLUE mask. He is the Blue Avian.

They call their programmed entities "Blue Avians" as a play on their own "Blue Blood" focus. Honestly every time someone accepts that "Blue Avians" exist, another Illuminati member falls over laughing.

Today I am seeing this spreading out from some people who are still active in various programs. The programs affected are the Secret Space Programs and Clone Centre Programs.

Talk to any Clone Centre attendee and they will tell you all about the "Big Birds" who have been present at Cloning for the past few months. Talk to any high level Secret Space Program member and they will tell you how the "Blue Avians selected (me) to disclose information to Humanity". A sure tell sign of this mind control op is they will attach military protocol to their contact. "I was given a name to repeat to others they contact so we will know each other are telling the truth". Triggers, neat!

Sound like the military to you? Well that's because IT IS!

One female I have been training for the past couple months came forward with this story:

She was sitting at home when she felt compelled to walk outside. She was taken by an orb in OBE form to a meeting with what are being called Sphere Beings (which are not beings at all but I will comment on them another time) two other ET groups and Blue Avians. She was then told how the Blue Avians would be contacting others and would give each who they do contact a phrase they can identify each other with. She was told she was chosen to be a delegate for the Sphere Being Alliance (there's that Alliance word we created popping up again).

She was also told by her superiors within her program that this program had been run on most Secret Space Program members who are no longer active within their programs. They were chosen this way because they are easily discarded if the need arises.

Basically, she was told that her experience was a test, something they wanted her to understand, and something given to others as part of a massive disinfo campaign which will serve their "plan" which I outlined in an earlier post.



I found this really funny when another friend reported a very similar event the next day to a prominent researcher.

Typically I ignore these games as they play them. This is too hilarious to ignore:

The Blue Avians and Sphere Beings are apparently telling people that BRICS and "That Russian" who leads the "R" belong to the "Alliance" and wants to end the Cabal/Illuminati with help from the Blue Avians and Sphere Beings. This is being reported online via two individuals and two researchers, and by many others off of public profiles. ( I am going to make another post about the Alliance and the Secret Space Programs)

That Russian who is supposed to be "outing the Cabal" is a higher ranking member than any of those he is supposedly outing. Your writer knows that man VERY well, and spent a great deal of time with him. Your writer was, at one point, that Russians Trainer. He and I even spent some time off-world together and became friends. (I still have a soft spot for him on a personal level despite absolutely disagreeing with his life choices). I had the opportunity to show this Russian what is being said about him. He laughed and said "Oh what a great plan this is. Working flawlessly." He is right.

Ladies and Gentlemen: BRICS is not going to save you. That Russian, is more deeply involved with the Illuminati than any other public figure you could name. He truly loves the work he is doing and cannot wait to become King. He is completely amazed at how easy the Alternative Community is making this transition for him. The Blue Avians are an Illuminati creation, and this tale has been specifically crafted to work for specific people.

It is the PLAN that you all think he is the hero.

The average mainstream oriented person is easy enough to fool. For you Awake and Aware folk they attached a benevolent group of ETs to the tale. The Alternative Community is eating it up.

That Russian and his mentor (who is also the one who was my mentor) would like to thank you for making this information public. You are selling the propaganda of the Illuminati better than they could themselves. They have said that the first researcher to disclose this program will receive a prize. "It requires your credibility to give this tale wings." I'm sure the pun of WINGS was intended.

Addressed to Program Members, Civilians and Researchers sharing this story:
"Thank you very much, deeply and truly." -nituP

Truly if Common Sense doesn't tell you this story is wrong, then you should just follow BRICS to the promise land.