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chancy
10th April 2015, 02:38
Hello Everyone: I just had to post this article. Not because of the discovery of more oil BUT because of the extreme amount of oil discovered didn't make oil go down at all. Yet if someone coughs and says shortage the price goes up 10 cents a litre or more and never seems to go down.
Anyone that doesn't understand that the price of oil is manipulated by governments and oil companies better read this article many times......
chancy

link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3032066/Drillers-discover-100billion-barrels-oil-near-Gatwick.html

Article:
Home counties 'have as much oil as North Sea': Area may boast 100 billion barrels... but experts say that's optimistic

Weald Basin estimated to contain 100billion barrels of oil, new report says
UK Oil & Gas Investments claims the site could supply 30% of UK's needs
If the maximum amount of oil is extracted it will be worth £600billion
But some experts warn the site in Sussex will be difficult to exploit
By Louise Eccles And Laura Chesters For The Daily Mail
Published: 13:34 GMT, 9 April 2015 | Updated: 22:28 GMT, 9 April 2015

Trillions of pounds worth of oil – as much as the entire North Sea fields – lies beneath an area of England dubbed ‘Britain’s Dallas’, it was claimed yesterday.

Analysis suggests there is up to 100billion barrels of the fossil fuel under the Home Counties.

The potential goldmine in the Weald Basin, across Surrey, Sussex, Hampshire and Kent, could meet up to a third of Britain’s oil demand within 15 years, according to the consortium exploring the area.

UK Oil & Gas Investments say they have discovered 100billion barrels worth of oil reserves in the Weald Basin, near Gatwick airport (pictured, the well head at Horse Hill)
A map showing the location of the oil and gas deposits within the Weald Basin, which are thought to lie at between 2,500ft and 3,000ft below the ground

This could reduce reliance on oil from the Middle East and Russia and could be a major boost for British industry at a time when the North Sea supply is dwindling.

But industry experts remained sceptical of the claims, with one describing them as ‘overly optimistic’.

Since 1975, of an estimated 100billion barrels of oil in the UK North Sea, only 45billion have been pumped out. It is believed another 20billion barrels can be recovered before extraction becomes too difficult.

Experts warned last night that only a fraction of the Weald Basin oil may be accessible for extraction. They also claimed fracking could be required to retrieve significant volumes.
The Weald Basin is thought to contain 100bn barrels of oil
Stephen Sanderson, the chief executive of UKOG, said the site at Horse Hill was 'world class' and had the potential for 'significant daily oil production' at this proposed drilling site

Stephen Sanderson, the chief executive of UKOG, said the site at Horse Hill was 'world class' and had the potential for 'significant daily oil production' at this proposed drilling site

Horse Hill Developments consortium made the discovery during test drilling in a well five miles from Gatwick Airport.

UK Oil & Gas Investments, which has a 30 per cent stake, said ‘cutting-edge’ data suggested the oilfield holds 158million barrels per square mile – equating to 100billion barrels across the basin.

At current crude prices, this could be worth £3.7trillion. Stephen Sanderson of UKOG, which insisted it would not use fracking, said: ‘By 2030, we could produce 10 per cent to 30 per cent of the UK’s oil demand from within the Weald area.’

Neil Ritson, of fellow consortium firm Solo Oil, said it was of ‘major economic significance’. If flow tests showed oil could be extracted, the production process could begin within 18 months, he added.

US firm Nutech, which conducted the tests, estimated 3 per cent to 15 per cent of the oilfield could be extracted – up to 15billion barrels.

UKOG chairman David Lenigas said drilling in the Weald could create ‘many thousands’ of jobs. Although the exploration site covered 55 square miles out of 1,100, he said the consortium was confident the entire region was oil-rich.
Works: The well is situated in this container on the proposed drilling site

Works: The well is situated in this container on the proposed drilling site
Exploration: Experts are now trying to work out how much of the oil will be properly recoverable

Exploration: Experts are now trying to work out how much of the oil will be properly recoverable

Mr Lenigas dismissed suggestions it would be hard to extract from the site, saying the ground was limestone which acted ‘like a big sponge’ and that ‘you can effectively suck the oil out’.

The Australian entrepreneur, who lives in Monaco, is a director of 16 British companies – and has been criticised in the past for exaggerating the success of his enterprises to jack up share prices. UKOG shares soared after the firm claimed to have discovered a ‘world-class potential resource’.

However, Professor Alastair Fraser, of Imperial College London, said the claims were ‘overly optimistic’.

A study by the university suggested a maximum of 40billion barrels in the region, while the British Geological Survey estimated the basin held just 4.4billion barrels of shale oil.
Discovery: The Horse Hill site near Gatwick in Sussex, where a large amount of oil has apparently been found

Discovery: The Horse Hill site near Gatwick in Sussex, where a large amount of oil has apparently been found
Drilling: Exploratory wells have found that the ground contains 158million barrels per square mile

Drilling: Exploratory wells have found that the ground contains 158million barrels per square mile
Development: The site is owned by a number of companies including UK Oil & Gas Investments

Development: The site is owned by a number of companies including UK Oil & Gas Investments

The professor added: ‘The question will be how much of it we can actually get out and whether it is commercially and technologically viable to do so.’

Malcolm Graham-Wood, of oil consultants HydroCarbon Capital, suggested residents might object to rows of onshore oil wells, adding: ‘The question is can it produce oil? It is extremely difficult with a very low recovery rate. This is potentially interesting but I wouldn’t attribute any value yet.’

But Mr Lenigas said: ‘To all those people who say I am hiking up the share price, I am not. I am just saying what the Nutech report says … I feel passionate that this is globally significant for Britain.’

A Department of Energy & Climate Change spokesman said: ‘The Government welcomes any new information which expands our understanding of the potential of the Weald Basin.’
THE RESIDENTS WHO WON'T SEE A PENNY OF OIL PROFITS

There might be 100billion barrels of oil beneath the Home Counties – but residents living above it may not receive a penny of the profits.

The Government owns the land under your house – meaning homeowners have no right to any oil found beneath them.

Once oil has been found, oil companies pay the Government for an annual licence which gives them the right to excavate the oil and keep the profits. The Government also gains money from the tax it receives on the oil extracted.

The only way an oil company would pay the surface landowner is if it wanted to base its drilling site on their land.

However, firms that undertake fracking, which is seen as a more intrusive and controversial method of extracting oil than simply drilling, must sometimes agree to provide ‘community benefits’. This could include building a playground or school nearby the fracking site, and is seen as compensation for residents.

Oil companies need to consult communities if they plan to undertake fracking in their area, as well as gaining planning permission from the local council.

Oil rush: The Weald Basin, of which Horse Hill is part, could contain a total of 100billion barrels

A Voice from the Mountains
10th April 2015, 07:34
This may change the dynamic between England and Scotland a little, since one of the biggest reasons Scotland wanted to declare independence was to take full advantage of its large oil reserves that supply a lot of Europe.

happyexpat
10th April 2015, 15:50
One must understand the economics of oil and currency.

There is a treaty with Saudi about oil. The price is ALWAYS $55 per barrel at the dollar value at the time the treaty was made.

The weaker the US dollar, the higher the price of oil. The stronger the US dollar, the lower the price of oil.

Nothing to do with supply / demand.

chancy
10th April 2015, 16:15
Hello Everyone:
This is an article that came out in the last day or so. This does prove that supply and demand has nothing to do with oil and oil prices. Welcome to the blue pill approach we have eaten for the past 50 years or so.

Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/oil-prices-edge-back-6-pct-fall-outlook-005404424.html

Article:

Oil up on Iran, German data, but strong dollar curbs rise
ReutersBy By Robert Gibbons | Reuters – 20 hours ago
By Robert Gibbons

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices rose on Thursday on strong German economic data and uncertainty about negotiations on Iran's nuclear program, even as a strong dollar curbed oil's bounce a day after futures tumbled 6 percent.

Brent crude rallied 4 percent intraday as European equities strengthened on German industrial output and trade data and Greece's repayment of a loan to the International Monetary Fund. [MKTS/GLOB]

Also supportive was Iran saying it will only sign a final nuclear accord if all sanctions imposed over its disputed nuclear program are lifted the same day.

"The German data provided some lift early because it comes even before the expected economic boost from central bank quantitative easing and any sign that an agreement with Iran isn't going to get done is bullish," said Phil Flynn, analyst at Price Futures Group in Chicago.

Dollar-denominated oil pared gains on the strong dollar, which was driven higher by sentiment that U.S. interest rates inevitably will rise. [USD/]

Brent May crude rose $1.02 to settle at $56.57 a barrel, having reached $58.02.

U.S. May crude rose 37 cents to settle at $50.79, after hitting $52.07. U.S. crude's Tuesday close near $54 was the strongest since Dec. 30.

"The dollar's strength helped pull crude off the highs and the big jump in inventories is still a factor," said Gene McGillian, senior analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut.

Government data on Wednesday showed U.S. crude inventories surged 10.95 million barrels to a record 482.4 million last week, the biggest weekly gain in 14 years. [EIA/S]

News late Tuesday that Saudi Arabia's production rose to 10.3 million barrels a day (bpd) in March also sparked Wednesday's tumble.

An adviser to Saudi oil minister Ali al-Naimi struck a hopeful note on Thursday, saying that this price slide was temporary and that global oil demand was expected to grow annually by up to 1 million bpd.

Iranian oil minister Bijan Zanganeh said in Beijing on Thursday that OPEC would "coordinate" to accommodate Iran's return to oil markets without causing a price crash.

OPEC's strategy of holding output steady is not working and members should discuss production levels before June's meeting, Zanganeh said.

OPEC's ability to coordinate will be under scrutiny as the situation in Yemen and other conflicts in the region keep relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia tense.

Carmody
11th April 2015, 03:31
The price of oil primarily has to do with the number of operating refineries..and how many barrels per day they can process.

The number of operating refineries and how much they refine, is the tightly controlled aspect of oil, not the reserves.

All the oil in the world being double or tripled will not change the price of gasoline or oil's other material offerings.

Refineries are purposely sidelined, shut down, not repaired, or let fail, and new ones not built, in order to keep oil use and price on a very tight chain.

That's the truth of the story, in a nutshell.

They won't build the refineries necessary for more oil product production, as it would lower their profits.

Oil companies would have to be nationalized and taken from private hands into public corporations, run by the people, in committee....chosen by open observation of a open lottery. (lottery winners then openly tested for their suitability)

Only then, under something like that... would you get a chance of getting to a low oil price.

lucidity
11th April 2015, 21:14
Hi Siblings,

There's no free market in oil any more.
It's explicitly rigged.
There used to be a free market in gold too.
Not anymore.

Politicians in America used to argue that communists were
somehow evil because they didn't believe in free markets.
I guess we wont be hearing that again for a long while.

Now, what the UK _should_ do, if they're going to defend their own
national interests, is price their new found oil in sterling.
But... the UK hasn't been a 'real' sovereign nation for decades, they'll
do what they're told by Uncle Sam and price it in dollars.

Similarly, what they should do, is use their oil revenues to invest in
a Sovereign Wealth Fund (like the Norwegians did decades ago).
This would pay for pensions and social projects in the future.
(Since the banking crises much of the pension monies have been raided)
But again, the UK is simply an off-shore US state and has no
independence to make it's own decisions.

Anyone owning a home around the Gatwick area should be
alarmed by all this. Removing billions of gallons of oil will almost
certainly cause subsidence.... and devalue thousands of homes.
I expect the UK parliament will be passing laws any day now to
protect the oil companies from liability for this.

be happy

lucidity :-)

Carmody
12th April 2015, 14:34
Politicians in America used to argue that communists were
somehow evil because they didn't believe in free markets.
I guess we wont be hearing that again for a long while.

How much do Russians believe in democracy?

Far more than westerners (in the USA particularly) may think. Far more than some banker/oligarch diddled textbook may have lied to them, when they were a child reading in history class. The greatest known human slaughter of all time is largely unknown in the USA and North America. It was about democracy. It was about fair and just shared human co-operation.

Very much worth watching:

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A Voice from the Mountains
13th April 2015, 21:44
For what it's worth, during the first millennium AD, when France, England, and most of western Europe was under monarchs, Russian city-states were electing their own rulers through a direct democracy: assemblies would gather in town centers and openly debate and elect their leaders. If their leaders later displeased the people, they'd get kicked out or murdered.

It was foreigners back then as well, who didn't appreciate all of this democratic freedom in Russia.