What do you most fear losing through alien contact?

[kirolak]

I believe we all want open contact; we hope or trust that though the "alien experience", new dimensions of being will open to us, along with fresh insights, and a deeper sense of oneness with all beings. . . . yet there are surely some things we stand to lose in some sense, as well.

What do you most fear losing in the face of contact with (probably) greater civilizations, unimaginable cultural norms, and more developed technologies that could verge on the magical from our perspective? Would our cultural treasures become redundant, devalued, in the face of greater understanding of our place in the cosmos?

Personally, I was convinced there would be nothing I would regret - especially not the racism, species-ism and violence inherent in our way of life. But I have to admit that certain aspects of human culture are very dear to me - I could not face a world without, for example, the paintings of Goya, Picasso, El Greco. . . .music . . . Bach, Brahms, Busoni. . . Schubert's Winterreise, Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata, Mahler's Kindertotenlieder ( strange how much of "my" dearest cultural artifacts are German!) What of Shakespeare's works, Cervantes, Thomas Mann, Goethe. . . .would all these expressions of man' sufferings and strivings become devalued as infantile yearnings from a simpler, more innocent mindset and way of life?

Art in itself, I think, is largely an idealised expression of emotions that are, in themselves, not particularly sublime - jealousy, grief, clinging to the ephemeral, personal love. . . . .all emotions that have the Ego as their central pivot.

Do "aliens" value artistic expression? And would it be so far beyond our level of understanding as to be incomprehensible to us? What is often seen as elitist in human terms may well be considered crass commercialisim in a higher, "alien" perspective.

Do aliens sing?

[betoobig]

Hello Kirolak, good to see you around. I believe they do sing and i imagine it glorious. I do, also, believe that there will be some kind of exchange in the cultural issue which will lead to the mixture from both civilizations. The greatest ideas in culture always came from mixing. The painters go through their lives whaching things that finnaly get mixed in their heads and wonderfull paintings come out. All evolves and art first starts in someones eye, so as we are able to see more new art will come out, new colors, new melodies, etc...
All this in a friendly contact ofcourse.
Getting to know new things will enrich our culture and it will protect our oldest traditions under a new vision.
Iám glad your are here.
LOVe
Juan

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No fear at all

[M0JFK]

Transport...why? because new technology in this field will do away with fast cars and motorbikes and no more would you feel the thrill of the ride. Imagine for one moment being able to travel 100's of light years in a single moments thought and not feel one thing doing so....boring.

[lucidity]

I believe we all want open contact; we hope or trust that though the "alien experience", new dimensions of being will open to us, along with fresh insights, and a deeper sense of oneness with all beings. . . . yet there are surely some things we stand to lose in some sense, as well.

What do you most fear losing in the face of contact with (probably) greater civilizations, unimaginable cultural norms, and more developed technologies that could verge on the magical from our perspective? Would our cultural treasures become redundant, devalued, in the face of greater understanding of our place in the cosmos?

Personally, I was convinced there would be nothing I would regret - especially not the racism, species-ism and violence inherent in our way of life. But I have to admit that certain aspects of human culture are very dear to me - I could not face a world without, for example, the paintings of Goya, Picasso, El Greco. . . .music . . . Bach, Brahms, Busoni. . . Schubert's Winterreise, Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata, Mahler's Kindertotenlieder ( strange how much of "my" dearest cultural artifacts are German!) What of Shakespeare's works, Cervantes, Thomas Mann, Goethe. . . .would all these expressions of man' sufferings and strivings become devalued as infantile yearnings from a simpler, more innocent mindset and way of life?

Art in itself, I think, is largely an idealised expression of emotions that are, in themselves, not particularly sublime - jealousy, grief, clinging to the ephemeral, personal love. . . . .all emotions that have the Ego as their central pivot.

Do "aliens" value artistic expression? And would it be so far beyond our level of understanding as to be incomprehensible to us? What is often seen as elitist in human terms may well be considered crass commercialisim in a higher, "alien" perspective.

Do aliens sing?

Hi Kirolak,

I've spent many hours day dreaming, speculating on what alien music might
be like, how their sense of aesthetics might be different to ours.
Would it be simpler than our music ? Would it be bafflingly more complex than
ours... perhaps with multiple melodies interlaced in a way that we'd simply
hear as discordant noise ?

You've introduced some interesting ideas here.... which i need to
consider further. Is art really based on ego-centric emotionality ?
The fact that we respond to music with a response that is at least
in part emotional,... does that really mean that the music's aesthetic
properties derive from our emotionality ? I'm tempted more to the
view that our emotional reactions are an effect of the aesthetics of
the music, not a cause of the aesthetics of the music.

But.. does aesthetic appreciation rely on emotionality ?
Would Mr Spock (of Star Trek fame) appreciate music ?

Thanks for posting your views

be happy

lucidity :-)

[ghostrider]

No Fear ... Et's are just other human beings not born on Earth , and some are further up the evolutionary scale ... developed abilities that our ancestors thought made them gods/angels ... they have a much finer vibration and have a glow about them ...

[amor]

As long as I was assured I was not on their menu or list of items to be exploited, I would welcome the opportunity of learning of and from them and would certainly welcome an expansion of first-hand knowledge of the Universe and the One from whom we come. There are things I have observed about our universe that I have to say in future posts, things which I have never seen written of elsewhere. However, at nearly 2 AM I will save it for another time.

[alh02]

My humanity.

[raregem]

I started to say I have no fear regarding alien contact then I realized that I do.
I have been blessed with specific communication with a BEing initial J. He has shown me what he looks like through a photograph.
I find him to have a sense of humor and his work is with genetic research.
I do not fear our chats and I feel he could heal my broken body yet I fear that I do not know him so well as to trust this action to take place.
He enjoys learning about our world such as all the animals he has an interest in. The alphabet and basically teaching things as if he is new to a foreign land. Which he is.
He has been very patient with me and stays even when I go off to ego land. He enjoys the mall, the zoo you name it. Such curiosity and an ability to learn quickly.
I never fear him. I enjoy and appreciate him.

[Mike Gorman]

I always think if we were to make open contact and the beings were indeed more advanced than ourselves, they would respect anything we produced as being intrinsic to our culture - rather than arrogantly scoff, or demand we forgo. Artistic appreciation is universal I would imagine, much like us being able to appreciate the cave paintings from thousands of years ago as being beautiful, and expressive. If the extra terrestrials came here from light years beyond, I would expect them to be respectful, unless of course they are a desperate colonizing force who want to take our planet for themselves - based on our own history and behavior it is not without possibility - we can only hope for the best can't we.

[Star Tsar]

On a personal level if I ever do have a contact exprience I hope to gain & not lose not in a material sense but perhaps spiritually, or greater understandings failing that just the confirmation would suffice. At least make an ultra cool friend.
In terms of our civilisation? Well like you Kirolak the supremacy that is currently plauging our planet can go no problems for me for starters.

Nice thread :thumb:



Transport...why? because new technology in this field will do away with fast cars and motorbikes and no more would you feel the thrill of the ride. Imagine for one moment being able to travel 100's of light years in a single moments thought and not feel one thing doing so....boring.


Really? You don't fancy the abilty to nip over to Villacamba to see Mr Ryan for a spot of tea? (or anywhere else on earth) For free, without the guilt of polluting our enviroment or having to surcumb to spot checks and frisks?

[Limor Wolf]

What do you most fear losing through alien contact?

Our freedom as humanity (freedom of choice, mind and the right to evolve via 'organic' spiritual process (for those who chose), freedom of equality, freedom from racism and the possibility to lose our own unique attributes to be swalloed by other cultures )

I guess the more accurate question may be, Which Alien contact..? otherwise it is quite widespread and can not be answered truthfully

Here is a general question for all :)

Would you date him/her, if you didn't know who 'him' or 'her' was?

(A clue: it might be useful to know a few more details before a date)

However, when it comes to ET contact this issue is somehow never on the table, we do not ask who they are, what is their intention, what their plans are, what the meaning of 'contact' really is, and our life here as society is far from a dating business..

Why don't we define any terms for contact, any rules or etiquets for us to feel comfortable to respect ourselves and be respected (initially within ourselves, within our consciousness) and instead we leave the door wide open when it can easily be noticed that the neighbourhood is having some problems.

The general term - ET'S/ALIEN seems to be quite enough to most who hurry to speard the red carpet

Apparently the cosmos is our oyster.. ? When we can't even cooperate within our beautiful planet's nature

(With honesty, I read the title only and not yet the thread. Will do that soon)

Cheers,

Limor

[kirolak]

DATE him or her? :eek: I really and truly am not concerned with dating anyone at all! I hope that interaction with ETs will be on a "different" level, without all the charlatanism and commercialism that goes with "dating". . . .I 'm convinced that contact has aready occurred for most of us in one or other of our compartmentalised "selves", as explained by Sasha, channelled by Lyssa Royal Holt in her interesting book, Preparing for Contact.

And I do believe that there is some part in most of us that also fears this contact; I don't mean in trembling terror, but in a sense of self-preservation (in whatever sense!)

[sunshaker]

If alien contact is friendly the only thing we will lose is the control the elite have over the masses, It is why contact would be withheld from us until the elite can find ways to profit from contact and still keep control of the masses.
I do not care how far advanced a alien race may be, I believe in the creativeness/potential of human kind, And expect we will learn what we can from a advanced species and maybe surpass them in a few generations.

But then again I believe we all exist within each other and that would also go for any "alien race". we are the universe experiencing itself in human form.

I like the very short story "The Egg" by Andy Weir, http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html which resonates closely with my views.

[kirolak]

Ola, amigo Juan, mil gracias y todo lo mejor para ti y los tuyos . . . :flower:[COLOR="red"]

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[Pam]

I might fear but I will also welcome that we will no longer be able to see ourselves as a species that is so far above other sentient beings on this planet that we can do whatever we want to any of them. We will be forced to see ourselves with new eyes. We may even gain empathy for other living things. We will finally know for sure that we are not the most sophisticated beings in the universe. We will be forced to see the benefit of cooperation.

On another note, I love what you said about art:"largely an idealized expression of emotion."

[kemo]

Nothing worth talking about. We are assuming of course that the contact is benign though. Abductees might say otherwise. Many people would be very afraid indeed and I doubt that apart from experiencers there are many people who would not feel some trepidation. And you know even if the contact is benign I think it was Whitley Striber who said something like we imagine inviting ET in for a cuppa but they are truly alien (the ones he is talking about anyway) and there are no common reference points. That was a long time ago so maybe he thinks differently now, but is not surprising really if the ETs are thousands of years ahead of us technologically at least (as some must be). In the presence of something truly alien I'd fear losing my sanity if not worse. It's an animal reaction. I hope not but I can't know for sure unless and until it happens. Otherwise, I suppose that might be the only fear i.e. that ET is truly alien and there is no interaction or common understanding. That would disappoint, but there are so many ET races I think that it's not one thing or the other.

[joeecho]

I fear nothing different, they are just another fish in the pond.

On the potentially negative side: Getting killed/ vaporized by a terrestrial 'thug' being or killed/ vaporized by a extraterrestrial 'thug' being, the results are the same. :P

[InCiDeR]

Wonder what do aliens most fear losing through human contact?

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...balance goes both ways...

[Wind]

My hearing.

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[EC1000]

Hmm. I guess what I would not like to see is the mass population give all their collective personal power over to the beings just because they appear more advanced in some ways, and therefore give up a large portion of their discernment. This can already be seen in so many that want the aliens to come save us from ourselves. I have to admit, I would like that too but it is my personal belief that those types of aliens have not discovered our little planet yet . otherwise they may have actually done something helpful at this point like perhaps land in some third world country and feed some starving people. I doubt anyone has been in contact with truly peaceful and more importantly, honest aliens. Think about this, if I'm a far superior being that wants you to believe what I communicate wholeheartedly, perhaps all I need to do is flick a switch that makes your brain overflow with endorphins and you feel amazing love and peace like you've never known. Of course your going to believe me when you're in that state.

That's just an example my little mind can come up with. The technology of another race could be off the charts in all ways and all directions including the ways and directions we don't even remotely know exist.

That being said, I wonder about the music too.

[Peace of Mind]

I don’t fear anything, especially something that fears being seen by me. Aliens? Ha, when one finally reveals itself then that is when I can form any sought of feelings towards it. At the moment, there’s no need for me to express my feelings towards ideas that appear to be fairy tales.

Peace

[Wind]

This can already be seen in so many that want the aliens to come save us from ourselves.

Due to this reason they don't want to intervene (any longer), because the same would happen as before. They would be seen as gods, angels, messiahs, you name it. "Messiah, save us!" People shouldn't be worshipping them, but understand that they have the divinity in themselves. Humanity has just almost completely forgotten that, especially here in the west. We desperately need a spiritual awakening here on Earth, even though this has been literally the dark age.

The only way I see them intervening if a nuclear war was on the horizon, meaning a full blown one.


"This cycle is known as the dark one; in Sanscrit, Kali Yuga, or the black age. It is dark because spirituality is almost obscured by materiality and pure intellectualism.....The cycle is closing, and everywhere unrest will prevail. As lands will disappear or be changed, so in like manner ideas will alter among men. And, as our civilization is based on force and devoid of a true philosophical basis, the newest race in America will more quickly than any other show the effect of false teachings and corrupted religion." the Path, October, 1892

[shaktimichelle]

Hi I think I would fear the power they have, I know ye are a mix of alien beings ourselves, we just havent stepped into complete power yet, but have the potential to.
The mysterys are unfolding before our eyes, and I think one day not too far off we will have a chance to contacted, hopefully not for our dna or other agendas not of our benefit, but for educating us to fullfill our potential without fear, thats my hope anyway.