UNMISTAKEN CHILD: The true story of the search for a Reincarnated Master

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

This documentary, shot over a period of several years, is a wonderful, wonderful story which follows the search, by Tenzin Zopa, the young Heart Disciple of a Buddhist Master, Geshe Lama Konchog, for the new young child in which the Great Rinpoche had reincarnated.

If anyone doubts the reality of reincarnation, ask them to watch this with you. It's moving, beautifully made, and astonishing in what it depicts.

Truly, we are all immortal souls. I recommend it highly, and have seen it a number of times over the years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7809rqHBHI

If anyone would like a higher resolution version (it's worth it), here's a download, valid till 21 April, of a 727Mb AVI version of the film.

http://we.tl/jUGeV7LWPT

Enjoy :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/UnmistakenChild.jpg

Here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmistaken_Child) text, which describes the film well:





Unmistaken Child is a 2008 independent documentary film, which follows a Tibetan Buddhist monk's search for the reincarnation of his beloved teacher, the world-renowned lama (master teacher) Geshe Lama Konchog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geshe_Lama_Konchog).

The filming, which began in October 2001, spans a time frame of five and a half years. It follows the deceased lama's closest disciple — a modest young monk named Tenzin Zopa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Zopa), who speaks English well — as he seeks to find the child who is his master's reincarnation.

Because Tenzin is only a humble monk, he questions his ability to accurately find and recognize the reincarnation of an enlightened master. He is daunted by the difficulty of the task, for which he alone seems responsible.

Following a combination of prayer, intuition, and divination, Tenzin travels to the tiny villages of the remote Tsum Valley on the Nepal-China border, and visits many families and many children. He seeks to find a young boy of the right age who responds emotionally to his former master's possessions.

Still, many questions would remain, and many tests and trials must be met before the existence of a Rinpoche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinpoche) — a reincarnated Tibetan master — could be confirmed. And even beyond the question of the confirmation of a reincarnation is the emotional toll involved in removing a small child from his loving parents and familiar village.

[Latti]

Bill, the video sounds very interesting, but it's blocked at my location.

PS. The link to download from We Transfer did work; so, I'm now watching.

Thanks again!

[Earthlink]

"You should prepare this World for your own arrival"

:wizard:

[transiten]

Beautiful document but I watched the whole video and just in the end there was texting in English!? No wonder although I believe in reincarnation I kept thinking "in what way does this film prove reincarnation"?

Also i don't like the idea of taking a child from it's parents, reincarnated Lama or not. My stomach reacted strongly seeing the mothers face leaving her child in the care of all these monks. Not a woman "as long as the eye can see" as the Swedish saying goes and although Tenzin seems to be a wonderful "father" something is deeply disturbing to me, almost like a prolonged kidnapping. Synchronicity was that the exact moment i had this thought the video stopped and made a growling noice...

[Carmody]

Monks may reincarnate in their circle of influences, paths, and connections.

Others do the same, in their circle of influences, paths, and connections.

It's not just monks. It's everyone.

The monks recognize it and know it, they seek it out, they follow it as part of a path, part of their living knowing lives.....that's the difference.

The rest of the world is held under the spell of an ignorance, and it whipped around by it, controlled by it. The ignorance is used as a component of a lever of control.

[sunshaker]

I believe we are all reincarnated through the cycle of elements, I see Geshe Lama Konchog died on 15/10/20/01=z46 palladium, this element does not come around again until 1/1/20/24=z46, maybe this would be the date of his reincarnation.
I cannot find a date for is birth?

[Meggings]

These words from the video description: "He seeks to find a young boy of the right age who responds emotionally to his former master's possessions" really struck me. One day a travelling exhibit came from Europe to display in a relatively small Canadian art gallery. I happened to hear of it, we happened to be out in the car already, we happened to have time at the end of the day to see it.

I came across a porcelain coffee cup and saucer there, and found myself "stepping outside of time" and was drinking coffee from it, examining it closely as I was listening the conversation of another lifetime. In my experience, it IS through emotion that our soul taps us on the shoulder to let us know something.
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[sirdipswitch]

Awhile back, I had an interesting chat with an old Monk, in a tiny little Monestary, perched high on a frozen mountain in Tibet. As I had jumped there to stand just five feet in front of him I asked: "Why don't you teach everyone to do this?"

He said: "We don't?... You're here."

He went on, to explain everything quite nicely for me... with one simple little sentence.

He told me:

"Those who will listen... will.":wizard:

[Pweeky]

Carmody, do you really think we reincarnate around the same 'people'..? I've heard that many times, but I can't feel nothing..

[Snowflower]

So, suppose reincarnation is a misinterpretation of something else?

Suppose, for instance, when we die, we don't "go" anywhere. We start to vibrate at a faster frequency and our souls no longer resonate with our bodies. So we are still "here," but in a world unseen. Suppose that no one's soul actually "inhabits" the body, but rather is reflected onto it. So, as we go through this life, our souls might just float along above our bodies. Now, this soul might occupy the same space but on a different frequency as a million other souls. Sometimes those souls harmonize together in pitch or frequency, and it could very well feel as if we had actually lived the life of that soul we are harmonized with. Memories, emotions, attitudes - all could come through our souls for a "proof" of reincarnation when it was only shared experience and becoming "one" with other souls.

"I don't know" is probably the only truthful statement on the planet today.

[Snoweagle]

Beautiful document but I watched the whole video and just in the end there was texting in English!? No wonder although I believe in reincarnation I kept thinking "in what way does this film prove reincarnation"?

Also i don't like the idea of taking a child from it's parents, reincarnated Lama or not. My stomach reacted strongly seeing the mothers face leaving her child in the care of all these monks. Not a woman "as long as the eye can see" as the Swedish saying goes and although Tenzin seems to be a wonderful "father" something is deeply disturbing to me, almost like a prolonged kidnapping. Synchronicity was that the exact moment i had this thought the video stopped and made a growling noice...

Brilliant summation. Absolutely agree with you.

I too believe in reincarnation but not in the sense of being born the same person. I believe that the "tuning" we each have is omnipresent in the magnetic sphere of our Earth which is continually recycled and that is the cause of the new borns DNA profile matching that of another.

Furthermore the ancestors characteristics being sought were in themselves formed by the "growing and learning" experience associated by family and community prior to reaching the heady heights of "stardom", whatever that form takes. So snatching the child, which is what this is, creates an aborration of the ancestor and not the ideal as the new born will br "trained" to be something that the ancestor had done "intuitively" within the desired realm.

I also contend, from my own experiences, that we all have reincarnated memories, yet have no possible way to confirm or idealise such realisation within the the scope of now.

Thanks for the link to the service: We Transfer - a very useful data transfer utility
https://www.wetransfer.com/

[transiten]

Once again: Why is there no English "texting" all through the video except for the last minutes? Does it have to do with my computor? or else you would all ask the same thing unless you understand Tibetan :confused:

[Finefeather]

99% of the members of all families are from the same clan in the astral worlds...and there are various levels in this world… 'Souls' gather amongst one another, and create their own environment, depending on their current state of development and their desires to fulfil certain functions and duties.

These clans incarnate in cycles and have a planned method whereby each will get a turn to be in some different role, in order to gain experience and to develop consciousness.

Often in families there seems to be one in a family who is almost obviously different to the rest...these are the ones who come amongst the clan to learn from that group... or to be of some help to the group.

In the western families the developed 'lama' often rises up in statue during the course of a life and becomes the natural leader of the family...this is seen often in the form of a wise father or mother in a family who everyone else seems to turn to for advice.

Above these smaller clans/families are the larger groups in which these smaller ones also gather. This is the origin of religious groups, social groups, and all other larger groups or gatherings of 'souls' including the towns and cities and countries and ethnic groups, and races and countries etc.

We are now in the process of 'visiting' foreign countries and families and groups in order to get a broader experience of the diverse nature of man...transport was not invented only to go on holiday with :)

Today you see thousands of people moving to different cities and countries etc etc because they don't feel comfortable where they are...they feel like something is missing...maybe they are away from their original family for an incarnation and just cannot settle where they have agreed to go for a new perspective and cannot come to terms with it...often this leads to loneliness and despair.

So the searching out of a more advanced or more learned 'soul' in the monasteries is a means of keeping the higher knowledge from been lost to the group...one day westerners and others will begin to realise this also.

Westerners have been basically indoctrinated to the point that their more advance or learned 'lamas' are those who are either the most beautiful, or the strongest, or the richest, or the most powerful...such has the nature of western thinking been degenerated.

Wisdom is no longer sort only physical attributes.

Take care
Ray

[Ioneo]

So, do the elite rulers always reincarnate within their elite group and we 'slaves' always reincarnate within ours? Do we have different soul groups? This is something I've been wondering since I woke up to the way the world truly is.

[ghostrider]

the plejaren ETs gave information about re-incarnation ... the human being has an immortal spirit that does not die , nor sleeps in the deepest sleep , it records thoughts actions and feelings ... the personality is different but the spirit is the same , incarnating for 50-60 million years until it reaches half spirit half material , then a further 50-60 billion years until it reaches pure spirit level of Arahat Arasata ... no longer needing a material body for learning ... further evolution until the spirit form merges back with Creation from where it came ... 152 years and 21 days it returns to a body , now in the new age the time between lifetimes is shorter , it can be 10 or 20 or 30 years and return to a physical body ...hence we advance in knowledge but lack in spiritual knowledge , too short of a time between incarnations ... the 152 years is needed to learn in the beyond ... the plejaren have sent one very special spirit form to Earth for the last 13,500 years , in persons of Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-and Beam ... trying to bring us back to Creation and it's recommendations for living ... for 13,500 years it has fell on deaf ears , and humans remain caught up in religious illusions ...

[protoflex]

i could be wrong, but i personally don't see 'reincarnation' being a real thing. I believe once we've become fully aware of our consciousness, that we will only either progress/ascend further into the abyss of unlimited divinity or get annihilated.

It would be a slap in our creator's face to think he would've made us relive all the sorrow yet again in another Earthly life.

A part of us may live with us all for times unknown, but we either rise or we fall. The only cycles in our world are the lands and the seas that run through us.

RISE!!!

[Bubu]

And lets not forget that this master and servant mentality is what doomed humanity.

[transiten]

Once again: Why is there no English "texting" all through the video except for the last minutes? Does it have to do with my computor? or else you would all ask the same thing unless you understand Tibetan :confused:

Please someone! How do I get the English "Subtexting" or whatever it's called, I really want to understand what they are talking about in Tibetan, or maybe i should try to channel :horn:

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Thank you for the post Bill :)
My opinions on reincarnation are based solely off my own experiences. I didn't put much credence to it beforehand. Many have experienced the phenomenon of feeling as if they are in two places at once or caught in a moment outside of where their physical body currently resides in. This is something I am usually weary of speaking about but felt compelled to share in hopes others may have experienced something similar. A few months ago, I began receiving visions of whom I was in four of my past lives.
I really enjoyed your comment snowflower! The way I view the "spirit realm" now is also in a sense a place that could literally exist anywhere...but existed regardless on a higher frequency. Everyone was connected through this higher frequency so you never forgot the knowledge that 'self implies other and other implies self' which was everyone residing there's basic understanding (the umbilical chord of the universe if you will). Through this we understood in those moments what we were reincarnating toward accomplishing. What lessons we must learn. I watched many beings playing with sacred geometric symbols constructing small realities on the 3d realm in between reincarnations to "learn more about the building blocks of life" before they were allowed to enter their next reincarnation cycle. That being said, I do not believe the realm you go to after death should forever continue on in this reincarnation cycle. It is my belief that the true definition of freedom is breaking free of the cycle of reincarnation and "shedding our humanness". There are many trials to face humanity in this specific time period and we must choose whether to seek within for universal truth.. our praise outward sources and seek physical desires in its stead. Also, let me note that what I saw I do not believe to be special by any means whatsoever. After this experience it caused me to rethink what I thought was real and come to a place where I saw that we all have these dormant memories within us. Has anyone had any experience with something like this?

[Bill Ryan]

i could be wrong, but i personally don't see 'reincarnation' being a real thing.

http://nhne-pulse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Reincarnation.jpg

:)

[ulli]

My 2 cents...
Beautiful movie, and a pleasure to watch.
But I have many thoughts on he subject, too....

I believe in reincarnation as an option. Perhaps earlier in humanity's history there was less freedom than today, less options, and stricter rules to show us how to escape an eternal recycling.
I believe that today we have more souls who have redeemed themselves,
and can be let loose into the infinite worlds of the multi-dimensional universe.
A soul may have more choices about how to map their path and continuation after death.

I really don't believe that earning our sovereignty depends on how we perform rituals,
or learn to prostrate ourselves in front of a master with absolute perfection.
Much of that stuff is based on traditions which were added a religious founder's message after they left this world, whether the Buddha, or the other great masters. It is these traditions which cause the problems of today; not so much the initial teachings.

Of course those who believe that this is the only option will continue to manifest that reality;
this is how the dynamics of the higher reality function. You get what you believe,
once you have freed yourself from your inner saboteur.

Humanity's need for clergy has manifested this vast variety of interpreters, all with slightly different versions of the original teachings, and hence all the major religions have formed sects, with endless theological debates. I believe that this has caused more harm than good, and created inappropriate levels of obedience to some very egotistical and deceptive leaders.

To me the bottom line is that beyond death, when the brain has started to decompose, a new perception organ is in place,
where the individual has a single identity, is conscious of itself, but also understands that it is a part of all that is.
Here all contradictions are reconciled. This is a place where our concept of time has no meaning, and at least is no longer linear, but where all is an eternal now.

The purpose of life here is to become aware enough to discover how our own consciousness determines what we attract.
To worship is nothing other than a heightened state of consciousness, one which we ourselves are in charge of raising.
Here God is an abstract concept which is a summary of all-knowingness, absolute wisdom, absolute love, absolute health. By focusing on these we will attract these qualities and virtues into our lives.

Whoever designed such a system deserves the title of Creator God, and deserves to be worshipped, even though they may have no need for it.

[transiten]

Yes ulli and when Tenzin actually did speak English he said he had not made a single decision on his own but followed his Guru each and every moment!!!:shocked:

And also, could you please help me out ulli? Did you have English subtext while watching? Is it my computor program failing or what? Anyway I got the gist of it all the same....

[Violet]

Did you have English subtext while watching? Is it my computor program failing or what? Anyway I got the gist of it all the same....

This autoplayed to the next clip and so on, otherwise manually on youtube:

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[ulli]

Yes ulli and when Tenzin actually did speak English he said he had not made a single decision on his own but followed his Guru each and every moment!!!:shocked:

And also, could you please help me out ulli? Did you have English subtext while watching? Is it my computor program failing or what? Anyway I got the gist of it all the same....

I didn't have English subtitles either, until the end. But like you, I got the gist. I am very visual, so reading the faces and seeing those villages and ceremonies was very informative.

[Earthlink]

I have no proof of this what so ever, just ... vague memories, anyway i'm under the impression that my last 3 life times before this one i lived to be 3, then 4, and then 7, and then in this lifetime i found myself waving at my mother through the kitchen window where she was washing dishes, which caused her to immediately freak out, as she was on the third floor of the building where we were living then. I was up in a tree in the back yard, and when i saw it freaked her out, i started to climb back down, i even thought to myself "well, i know how to get back down immediately" but then decided not to. I resolved myself to just do what the crazy screaming lady at the bottom of the tree said, which was to just sit there and wait for the fire department and their ladder. i was 3 years old, and i'm pretty sure i realized at that moment that there was no escaping this place, and that all that was going to happen was that i'd just come back again.

the lifetimes before that, where i lived to be 3, 4 then 7, i think i consciously made the decision to not stay in those circumstances because they were the wrong parents for me and that i wouldn't be able to do anything i wanted to with these parents, so, i left. this time i thought that with these parents that i'd at least have hands on tools and wide open spaces to grow, so, it was worth it to stay here this time.

again, i have no proof what so ever of this, just vague memories. hopefully we, as a species, will be able to photograph the electromagnetic fields that surround our brains some time soon, and this will allow us to finger-print ourselves for identification in the next life. this is entirely possible today, and it would be nice, imho, to actually use the same tools i have here now through 2 consecutive life times.

i'm not holding my breath though, for i honestly can see no way to reform the Iron Bank and their idiotic self affliction in time to prevent a complete collapse of the biosphere here, which is already well under way like a runaway train.

no matter what this place looks like, i think we're stuck here. it's too far away to get anywhere else, and i believe i already tried, 3 times, to no avail.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes ulli and when Tenzin actually did speak English he said he had not made a single decision on his own but followed his Guru each and every moment!!!:shocked:

And also, could you please help me out ulli? Did you have English subtext while watching? Is it my computor program failing or what? Anyway I got the gist of it all the same....

This might help...
http://opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3607283/unmistaken-child-en

I think (but am not certain) that the way would be to copy that into the same folder the movie is in (download from here —> http://we.tl/jUGeV7LWPT), and then play the movie using the VLC Media Player. If so, make sure that you check the option (at least, on a Mac): Video > Subtitles track > Track 1.

I have no idea if the Nepalese being spoken is translated at all. Tenzin speaks English throughout, but sometimes of course he's a little hard to understand because of the accent.

[Meggings]

My opinions on reincarnation are based solely off my own experiences. ...This is something I am usually weary of speaking about but felt compelled to share in hopes others may have experienced something similar. A few months ago, I began receiving visions of whom I was in four of my past lives.
... I watched many beings playing with sacred geometric symbols constructing small realities on the 3d realm in between reincarnations to "learn more about the building blocks of life" before they were allowed to enter their next reincarnation cycle. That being said, I do not believe the realm you go to after death should forever continue on in this reincarnation cycle. It is my belief that the true definition of freedom is breaking free of the cycle of reincarnation and "shedding our humanness". ...this experience it caused me to rethink what I thought was real and come to a place where I saw that we all have these dormant memories within us. Has anyone had any experience with something like this?

Hello, you ask if anyone has experienced "something like this". Yes. I know a number of people who have seen other lifetimes they are connected to through their soul. In my understanding, our soul is part of a larger soul, which is part of a larger soul, and so on until one reaches, oh, let's say a long way up. Our immediate soul projects parts of itself into personalities that take on bodies, and there a number of personalities from the same soul living in the same time frame.

Each personality is unique, so for example, there is only one Julius Caesar, but there are other personalities projected from the same soul as he was who have access to the energies of, even to some memories/experiences of, Caesar - THROUGH THE SOUL that they come from. As we evolve, perhaps even as we come to the end of our reincarnational experiences here, it seems that the soul begins to communicate more clearly with its projected personality. One way could be in seeing visions of other lifetimes, another way could be in actually entering into the experience of other lifetimes, seeing through the eyes of another personality.

As always, such things are personal experience, and cannot be proven to anyone else's satisfaction. As you, my belief in reincarnation, and in timelines, and in other planets, and in spacecraft, and in our ability to visit future and past, and in countless other things considered on the fringe of societal norms, comes from my own experience.

Because you specifically asked, I thought you might want to know that many see other lifetimes they are connected with. At the same time, our present personality being the FOCUS personality, is the one we are to pay attention to and work within. All good wishes on your journey.

[Sunny]

I thought it was a beautiful video also. Another movie along the same lines is "My Reincarnation" (2011). It is a true story about a young man whose father is a Tibetan teacher who emigrated to Italy. He was told he was the reincarnation his father's uncle, who was also a teacher The movie is about his struggle with that. Should he become a teacher, as his father expects him to do, or go out and live his own life?

The full movie is available on You Tube, but only in certain countries (not in mine).

For everyone else, someone has broken it down into little segments. Harder to watch it that way, but it can be done.

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[yuhui]

Rituals of reincarnation practised by the followers of Tibetan buddhists and the Tulku system can be very different. Often the latter hijacked due to political and economic agendas. There are reincarnations in mongolia and in tibet from the same tibetan buddhist master in history. And in book Surviving the Dragon, Arjia Rinpoche talked about how the Tulku system is jeopardized by CCP. Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche shared his concern for Tulku system in documentary Tulku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulku_%28film%29, his part of this documentary can be found on youtube (also here: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/emlwNVdhdWQ/) I always find his words enlightening...:star:

[transiten]

The way I view the "spirit realm" now is also in a sense a place that could literally exist anywhere...but existed regardless on a higher frequency. Everyone was connected through this higher frequency so you never forgot the knowledge that 'self implies other and other implies self' which was everyone residing there's basic understanding (the umbilical chord of the universe if you will). Through this we understood in those moments what we were reincarnating toward accomplishing. What lessons we must learn. I watched many beings playing with sacred geometric symbols constructing small realities on the 3d realm in between reincarnations to "learn more about the building blocks of life" before they were allowed to enter their next reincarnation cycle. That being said, I do not believe the realm you go to after death should forever continue on in this reincarnation cycle. It is my belief that the true definition of freedom is breaking free of the cycle of reincarnation and "shedding our humanness". There are many trials to face humanity in this specific time period and we must choose whether to seek within for universal truth.. our praise outward sources and seek physical desires in its stead.Has anyone had any experience with something like this?

This is described in "The Synchronicity Key" by David Wilcock. In a book about reincarnation by hypnotist Dr Michael Newton a woman exactly describes what you are talking about here like "playing with geometric symbols constructing small realities on the 3D realms".

[OMG]

I'm curious what people think the purpose and benefits would be to reincarnation.

And if there are opposing views towards it.

[transiten]

I'm curious what people think the purpose and benefits would be to reincarnation.

And if there are opposing views towards it.



Compare to going to school, learning your lessons, vibrating on higher frequencies each time. Which one is the hardest lesson to learn? :heart: Love your neighbour as you love yourself...but not without wisdom...noone will succeed 100% in this 3D reality of course but Intention counts even more than manifestation...How many times do we fall before we learn to walk?

[Sierra]

I'm curious what people think the purpose and benefits would be to reincarnation.

And if there are opposing views towards it.



I was raised episcopalian, with the attendant one life time only doctrine, and it enraged me. How could so many humans not have a fighting chance at meeting G*d, when their life clearly precluded such an event?

Then I found out about reincarnation and the attendant as many lifetimes as needed doctrine to meet G*d. What a relief.

I have met two of my lifetimes in dreams (oil rig worker, Texas 1940s, Pennsylvanian Mennonite 1800s), one from a healing group (the Mennonite lifetime again) one from a Buddhist friend, (book publisher in London, 1700s), and I can't remember where I saw the Japanese widower (much earlier in time). Three out of those four lifetimes were male, which surprised me.

So yes, I'm convinced the universe does not give you one chance and one chance only, to zoom from newborn to fully evolved enlightenment in one lifetime.

[OMG]

If in the beginning everyone started with equal power and consideration how did it turn out that some obtained an advantage, or became more advanced, evolved, etc?

And if we were perfect in the beginning how did it become that we fell and are now striving for perfection? And how long would we need to evolve in order to reach perfection, if such could be reached?

[Earthlink]

Everyone started pretty much the same, but at different times, so, some will always be older, or in this case if we call each life time a certificate of achievement, some will always have more certificates.

And "perfection" is just a word, please don't get caught up in language so much that you loose track of Life itself. This is your reward for work that was done trillions of years ago: the building of the periodic table of the elements: and that you are even here in the prime material plane at all is its' own achievement.

[Bill Ryan]

If in the beginning everyone started with equal power and consideration how did it turn out that some obtained an advantage, or became more advanced, evolved, etc?

And if we were perfect in the beginning how did it become that we fell and are now striving for perfection? And how long would we need to evolve in order to reach perfection, if such could be reached?

It's really that while we pretty much started off equal (so to speak), as time went on — a lot of it! — some of us made mistakes, fell foul of tricks or traps, forgot our responsibilities, or left things incomplete behind us.

Just as in a human lifetime. Some people clean up potential unfinished business as they go, taking careful and wise advantage of every opportunity that comes their way, making good decisions and judgments.

And others don't...

So, it's not so much that some beings have 'evolved'. It's much more that through the weight of baggage we all have (unfinished business, that some call 'karma') — and some a great deal more than others — that now, gazillions of years later, some beings appear much more able and aware than others.

It's simply that those have taken rather greater care of themselves over the eons, and have avoided more of the pitfalls.

As to why we reincarnate: why might someone buy another car after their old one's no longer functional? The new vehicle just enables us to continue our journey of learning and interesting, challenging, experience... nothing more.

[mahalall]

Masters of attachment

[Roisin]

99% of the members of all families are from the same clan in the astral worlds...and there are various levels in this world… 'Souls' gather amongst one another, and create their own environment, depending on their current state of development and their desires to fulfil certain functions and duties.

These clans incarnate in cycles and have a planned method whereby each will get a turn to be in some different role, in order to gain experience and to develop consciousness.

Often in families there seems to be one in a family who is almost obviously different to the rest...these are the ones who come amongst the clan to learn from that group... or to be of some help to the group.

In the western families the developed 'lama' often rises up in statue during the course of a life and becomes the natural leader of the family...this is seen often in the form of a wise father or mother in a family who everyone else seems to turn to for advice.

Above these smaller clans/families are the larger groups in which these smaller ones also gather. This is the origin of religious groups, social groups, and all other larger groups or gatherings of 'souls' including the towns and cities and countries and ethnic groups, and races and countries etc.

We are now in the process of 'visiting' foreign countries and families and groups in order to get a broader experience of the diverse nature of man...transport was not invented only to go on holiday with :)

Today you see thousands of people moving to different cities and countries etc etc because they don't feel comfortable where they are...they feel like something is missing...maybe they are away from their original family for an incarnation and just cannot settle where they have agreed to go for a new perspective and cannot come to terms with it...often this leads to loneliness and despair.

So the searching out of a more advanced or more learned 'soul' in the monasteries is a means of keeping the higher knowledge from been lost to the group...one day westerners and others will begin to realise this also.

Westerners have been basically indoctrinated to the point that their more advance or learned 'lamas' are those who are either the most beautiful, or the strongest, or the richest, or the most powerful...such has the nature of western thinking been degenerated.

Wisdom is no longer sort only physical attributes.

Take care
Ray


99% of the members of all families are from the same clan in the astral worlds...and there are various levels in this world… 'Souls' gather amongst one another, and create their own environment, depending on their current state of development and their desires to fulfil certain functions and duties.

That's absolutely true as this is information that I personally have received over and over again from my own mediumship. I have expressed the same basic sentiment as what you stated above ( what I quoted) at least once on this forum over the past few years too.

[Maia Gabrial]

So, why would a soul want to keep doing the same thing and being the same thing? Seems to me that there wouldn't be much spiritual growth for that soul....

[Bill Ryan]

So, why would a soul want to keep doing the same thing and being the same thing? Seems to me that there wouldn't be much spiritual growth for that soul....

Imagine that a new day in your life (such as, this morning) is like a new incarnation. It's an analogy.

This morning — you didn't decide to leave your partner, move house, get a new job, take up skydiving, or leave the forum. :)

Why not...?

[Earthlink]

one life time is not enough, and it is why people say things like "in my next lifetime" when it occurs to them that they are adept at something, yet they have already spent the better part of this life time doing something else.

and you may be correct, as in this movie where 3 is kind of early to decide if one wants to do the same thing again, but my own personal experience, for myself, is that I always like having tools and knowledge of machines in my head, and that I'm both good at it and would be sort of lost, or powerless, without it. I jokingly say that I'd like to do high detail hand painted animation in my next lifetime, and be "an artist" but I somehow doubt that I'd ever be able to look at something, even a paint brush, without knowing how it works and how to make it

or perhaps I'm just waiting for more people to catch up, so that I don't have to be one of the ones building all of our stuff again, and could enjoy a life painting pictures of those who build things, confident in their ability

[OMG]

In this world when people are born, (say they are born relatively equal), we can see that choices steer people down different paths.

But when we consider the very beginning we must consider FAIRNESS. As such, IF we ALL started equal then what doesn't make sense is how anyone could ever choose a "wrong" or "less desirable" path. It's easy to see how transient beings such as us can make wrong decisions since we can't see very far. But placing such relative considerations on ALL of us at the very beginning doesn't make sense.

In fact, why would we as perfect beings choose to live in relativity in the first place? It can't be that we are looking for new experiences since we already Knew and Were ALL experiences. The bottom line is that Perfect beings can't make errors. And suggesting that there are errors in perfection is only a result of limited perception.

There are two core considerations:

1. Everything IS perfect NOW regardless of perception otherwise (the latter being an attribute of perfection as well)

2. The fact IS that we exist here and NOW in limitation, even if illusionary, and as such THIS LIMITED state of existence MUST be resolved in any final analysis.


As a side-note...

Anyone who can exceed our power (whatever's those powers or states of existence might be, also including love, peace, etc) is acknowledged as being superior to us. We look upon the more powerful and see two types. One type are those that gain power from others or external sources (technology, politics, etc). And the other type of power is gained through more organic and personal endeavors. The latter would seem to have a more pure or direct connection to SOURCE.

When I consider the most power I think of GOD, SOURCE, etc. As such, those who can align themselves with the MOST power end up obtaining the MOST power. And when I look for evidence of ANYONE who has such power we see tons of relatives degrees in power but few to none who are absolute all encompassing powerful beings. That is unless we consider those who supposedly merge with GOD/SOURCE.

It is these Masters/Siddhas, etc, who are Omni in ALL ways and as far as earth/humans they are the epitome of who seems to have achieved what it is we are seeking when we seek MORE EXPERIENCE and STUFF.

[Meggings]

Doubt that this ever happens: "...why would a soul want to keep doing the same thing and being the same thing?"

Here's something I've wrestled with - a soul projects many personalities into one time frame, into various bodies that experience a major situation FROM DIFFERING POSITIONS AND VIEWPOINTS. Such as - being on both sides of the same war. Being a male that goes off into that war and a female that stays home as her partner fights. Such as being one who commands and one who obeys orders. Being one who lives and one who dies.

This way a soul learns from many aspects the meanings of war.

Or a soul who sends one personality out to be a Roman general, one to be a Roman slave, one to be imprisoned for standing up to the authorities, one to be leading groups against the Roman invasion. Such scenarios do lead to great comprehension by the soul of human conditions, situations, qualities, and weaknesses.

As some have pointed out, that speaking from supposition is not as useful as speaking from one's own experiences, I offer these examples from my own soul knowings. It took me some time to encompass this with understanding.

As I was writing the above, OMG posted this I'd like to respond to:
"...why would we as perfect beings choose to live in relativity in the first place? It can't be that we are looking for new experiences since we already Knew and Were ALL experiences. The bottom line is that Perfect beings can't make errors. And suggesting that there are errors in perfection is only a result of limited perception.
There are two core considerations:

1. Everything IS perfect NOW regardless of perception otherwise (the latter being an attribute of perfection as well)

2. The fact IS that we exist here and NOW in limitation, even if illusionary, and as such THIS LIMITED state of existence MUST be resolved in any final analysis."

OMG, perfection depends on what level you are viewing conditions from. This marvelous universe was set up by higher parts of all of us so that we do not become bored out of our minds. Infinity can lead to boredom, as perfection can. We are active spirit wanting to be more than merely beaming in bliss.

[Earthlink]

I agree with what Meggings said above here, that this universe was set up by the higher parts of all of us, and that there is great intelligence in everything. no matter, I highly doubt that intelligence ever would have agreed to make any effort to take one and only one step. this walk of life either goes on forever, or, can't speak for anyone else, or I'm not even going to bother taking the first step.

[transiten]

I watched many beings playing with sacred geometric symbols constructing small realities on the 3d realm in between reincarnations to "learn more about the building blocks of life" before they were allowed to enter their next reincarnation cycle. our praise

Hi d..sacredgeometry, you were asking if someone had an experience like this but noone did thank me for my post where I told you that in one of hypnotist Michael Newtons books on reincarnation a woman describes exactly what you say here.

I don't remember the name of the book since it's metioned in "The Synchronicity Key" by David Wilcock which is at my fathers place where I'm going on Monday. I'm a rather suspiscious scorpio so I have a vague feeling it's because I mentioned David Wilcock who is not well regarded by many on this forum. (Hope I'm wrong) Michael Newton though has nothing to do with him, he is a renowned reincarnation regression therapist...why isn't this interesting:confused:

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Thank you for your reply to my question Meggings. I agree that what I experience is simply conjecture :) The visions I have seen are certainly not something I express openly as truth in the outside world. So I feel blessed that I can come to a place such as this and feel accepted nonetheless of how others may receive my words. For years, I thought there was something wrong with me for seeing and experiencing the things I have. I loved your explanation into the personality of souls and that our present personality should be our focal personality. I know this will be the last time I reincarnate on earth so the existence in this body is important to me simply in the sense of shedding the last remnants of my humanness or ego (that has been a long process through the ages) in order to reside in a higher dimension.

Also, Transiten I am especially grateful for your message! I went out today and bought Michael Newton's book to see what all the fuss was about ;) I was left speechless... almost everything I had seen were the things described in this book! Information such as soul groups, what we experience as our soul leaves our body, guardians, how we choose the life we reincarnate into, sacred geometry, the concept that duality creates destruction and oneness is the way to true understanding, amongst many MANY other things.

Much love to you and I hope you both have a wonderful day!!
Temet Nosce

[OMG]

Perfection can NEVER lead to boredom. Such concepts as "boredom" are a result of transient/fragmented/illusionary states.

Interestingly, arguments for any degree of limitation/fallacy derive from OUR current limitation. The paradox obviously being that we exist NOW in limitation. Therefore the ONLY arguments that verify ALL-ness cannot succumb to limitation. In this way no one can ever defeat an ALL-INCLUSIVE REALITY.

With anything proof is in the BE-ING.

The ancients had a saying that unless one was at a level they could not comprehend that level...

:)

[OMG]

Reincarnation implies a gradual or sequential development towards some end result. Or just a continual development infinitely.

But what if the "end result" was ALL ENCOMPASSING and suppose to be instantaneous...NOW...found in absolute stillness without time/space, energy/matter...

The other alternative is that we develop infinitely and there is no end. However, if there is no end then there can be nothing to measure the concept of "development" or right/wrong, etc.

Except possibly one thing...MORE. This means the be-ing which has MORE at its disposal is the bases of the idea of developed/evolved.

Yet I wonder if developing-infinite-beings will ever obtain Union with GOD/SOURCE...

[araucaria]

So, why would a soul want to keep doing the same thing and being the same thing? Seems to me that there wouldn't be much spiritual growth for that soul....

Imagine that a new day in your life (such as, this morning) is like a new incarnation. It's an analogy.

This morning — you didn't decide to leave your partner, move house, get a new job, take up skydiving, or leave the forum. :)

Why not...?
Maybe not Bill. But I took a thought to bed, and slept on it so that I could make something interesting of it – say something today that I maybe haven’t said before, or in a different way, or to someone new. Here’s that thought.

Previous incarnations, however wonderful, have demonstrably never worked since they have not prevented us from reaching the dire state we are now in. In other words, reincarnation may bring along a trusty old skill set, but to a totally new situation where, as Terence McKenna foresaw, novelty reigns and new solutions are needed, new skills to be invented. And of course, mornings do come when all the big decisions you mention might be taken – except perhaps “leave the forum” :)

Novelty has taken over: you only need to look at the mainstream press to see how it usually equates to clinical insanity, pretending to be normal. It is not normal (yet) to pilot an Airbus into the side of a mountain, but it has already become thinkable and almost understandable that someone should do this simply because a pilot with failing eyesight is in despair at having to give up his job. Anyone over the age of 25 should be able to remember a time when this was absolutely unthinkable. As we know, it is only a short step from thinkable to doable, from thought to done.
And equally, novelty is the way forward to bring a little sanity to the world. Here too, the same short steps can be taken.

Recently Christine mentioned her affinity with Joan of Arc, and how it wasn’t quite working out. Joan of Arc had many admirable qualities, but she nevertheless served a bloodline by fighting on the killing fields. And her legacy today here in France is with the far right National Front party, who revere her like no one else does. So any reincarnation of Joan of Arc would likely have laid some new plans overnight (and probably yesterday in prison at the end of her life); certainly I would say Christine has done that.

I for one take no personal interest in reincarnation, although I have seen enough to be convinced that the phenomenon is real. I am not remotely curious as to how it might work for me or who I may have been. What I dislike about the process is its emphasis on individuality, individuals reborn as new individuals, like a Hollywood movie starring X who last played a queen and is now playing a streetwalker. What we are increasingly seeing or needing right now is the equivalent of an all-star blockbuster featuring multiple actors any one of whom would normally stand alone with a supporting cast. The Longest Day notably features Richard Burton and Sean Connery: imagine a D-Day scenario calling on the combined talents of Alexander the Great, James Bond and others. The first change that has to be made is channeling those huge Egos into what I will call a huge Wego. That would of course also be a major transformation if you are coming from the perspective of Buddhist egolessness. There is novelty when a new concept like this is required. Wego is neither lamb-for-slaughter egolessness nor lamb-slaughtering ego; it is simply a collective project/action with no slaughterers or slaughtered, no slaughter at all: just laughter.

Maybe not leave the forum then? :)

[Flash]

There seem to be a few fallacies in what you wrote, in my own eyes obviously (I do not possess the absolute truth, so everything is perceptions up to a point). Please allow me to point the divergences in thinking I have, by going through your text.


In this world when people are born, (say they are born relatively equal), we can see that choices steer people down different paths.

But when we consider the very beginning we must consider FAIRNESS. As such, IF we ALL started equal then what doesn't make sense is how anyone could ever choose a "wrong" or "less desirable" path. It's easy to see how transient beings such as us can make wrong decisions since we can't see very far. But placing such relative considerations on ALL of us at the very beginning doesn't make sense.

We can chose, this is part of the experience. And we chose énergies that may not be in line with the will/love of the universe. So yes we can chose a less desirable path. The soul/oversoul is perfect, but nothing says that the 3D human experience has to be and is.

In fact, why would we as perfect beings choose to live in relativity in the first place? It can't be that we are looking for new experiences since we already Knew and Were ALL experiences. The bottom line is that Perfect beings can't make errors. And suggesting that there are errors in perfection is only a result of limited perception.

Perfect beings CAN and DO make errors. You know why? Because everything is in growth, in change, is not perfect. This research of perfection is the objective, but even souls are not perfect, they are Learning as well, mostly through our human experience and whatever we do incarnate in. Thinking of us as perfect and error free is, in my view, a huge error of the ego. In fact, it seems to be spiritual ego showing off, the hardest one to deal with.

There are two core considerations:

1. Everything IS perfect NOW regardless of perception otherwise (the latter being an attribute of perfection as well)

2. The fact IS that we exist here and NOW in limitation, even if illusionary, and as such THIS LIMITED state of existence MUST be resolved in any final analysis.


As a side-note...

Anyone who can exceed our power (whatever's those powers or states of existence might be, also including love, peace, etc) is acknowledged as being superior to us. We look upon the more powerful and see two types. One type are those that gain power from others or external sources (technology, politics, etc). And the other type of power is gained through more organic and personal endeavors. The latter would seem to have a more pure or direct connection to SOURCE.

The use of the term POWER seems to skew the observations here. We do say "the power of love" for example, but in that term, power, the power on.. power over.. is carried in. And I do think this is a wrong path for thinking, albeit words are very limited to express what we perceive through other ways. When we use the term POWER, we automatically call for something over, above, on, even when talking of power on oneself. I would rather use the words related to the true specific energy we are talking about, such as love, if it is love energy, wisdom if it is wisdom énergies and power if it is power that we are talking about. Otherwise, we skew the concepts - and call in power with all its might and Tools (arms, war, possession, etc). It is an opinion here based on my NLP knowledge, but it is not fully studied yet.

Further, your text below describes what I just mentioned here. Talking of power while talking of all encompassing powerful beings, or Source/God. Why relate Source of God to powerfulness, why not relate it to life, light, whatever, why powefulness. As long as we think power, we will encounter it and not necessarily in the format we wish.


When I consider the most power I think of GOD, SOURCE, etc. As such, those who can align themselves with the MOST power end up obtaining the MOST power. And when I look for evidence of ANYONE who has such power we see tons of relatives degrees in power but few to none who are absolute all encompassing powerful beings. That is unless we consider those who supposedly merge with GOD/SOURCE.

It is these Masters/Siddhas, etc, who are Omni in ALL ways and as far as earth/humans they are the epitome of who seems to have achieved what it is we are seeking when we seek MORE EXPERIENCE and STUFF.


From Araucaria: Previous incarnations, however wonderful, have demonstrably never worked since they have not prevented us from reaching the dire state we are now in. In other words, reincarnation may bring along a trusty old skill set, but to a totally new situation where, as Terence McKenna foresaw, novelty reigns and new solutions are needed, new skills to be invented.

True, we carry vibrations, if reincarnated, from life to life and seem to never learn, or learn very slowly.

[transiten]

Thank you for your reply to my question Meggings. I agree that what I experience is simply conjecture :) The visions I have seen are certainly not something I express openly as truth in the outside world. So I feel blessed that I can come to a place such as this and feel accepted nonetheless of how others may receive my words. For years, I thought there was something wrong with me for seeing and experiencing the things I have. I loved your explanation into the personality of souls and that our present personality should be our focal personality. I know this will be the last time I reincarnate on earth so the existence in this body is important to me simply in the sense of shedding the last remnants of my humanness or ego (that has been a long process through the ages) in order to reside in a higher dimension.

Also, Transiten I am especially grateful for your message! I went out today and bought Michael Newton's book to see what all the fuss was about ;) I was left speechless... almost everything I had seen were the things described in this book! Information such as soul groups, what we experience as our soul leaves our body, guardians, how we choose the life we reincarnate into, sacred geometry, the concept that duality creates destruction and oneness is the way to true understanding, amongst many MANY other things.

Much love to you and I hope you both have a wonderful day!!
Temet Nosce

Thanks geometry!Made my day:sun: Never had any memories of my own but verifications by several mediums. The personalities there correspond strongly to the pple, interests and events in my current life.

My main contact with the Universe is by strong synchronicities both astrological, recurring numbers, events, material patterns each and every day. F.i the growling noice as the video stopped when I had the thought about "kidnapping" After that I turned on the radio and on the news they talked about Lithuanians complaining about Norwegian "caretakers of children that do not fare well" bringing these children to families in Norway saying the reason is the Norwegians are so few they risk inbreeding :doh:

Preceding that i had the thought that monks cannot have children of their own and that the ancient Greek Platon tried to figure out how to have children without having to mate with a woman who was considered inferior to males and to only be a container for the child that was put there by the male sperm:ROFL:

Also once I woke up with an intense feeling of being eternal, no thought just feeling and assurance. I have read books, seen documentaries and read personal histories about reincarnation so I'm absolutely convinced but I think just like we have different talents in other areas of life like being musical, technical or otherwise we have different "spiritual talents".

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Thank you for your reply to my question Meggings. I agree that what I experience is simply conjecture :) The visions I have seen are certainly not something I express openly as truth in the outside world. So I feel blessed that I can come to a place such as this and feel accepted nonetheless of how others may receive my words. For years, I thought there was something wrong with me for seeing and experiencing the things I have. I loved your explanation into the personality of souls and that our present personality should be our focal personality. I know this will be the last time I reincarnate on earth so the existence in this body is important to me simply in the sense of shedding the last remnants of my humanness or ego (that has been a long process through the ages) in order to reside in a higher dimension.

Also, Transiten I am especially grateful for your message! I went out today and bought Michael Newton's book to see what all the fuss was about ;) I was left speechless... almost everything I had seen were the things described in this book! Information such as soul groups, what we experience as our soul leaves our body, guardians, how we choose the life we reincarnate into, sacred geometry, the concept that duality creates destruction and oneness is the way to true understanding, amongst many MANY other things.

Much love to you and I hope you both have a wonderful day!!
Temet Nosce

Thanks geometry!Made my day:sun: Never had any memories of my own but verifications by several mediums. The presonalities there correspond strongly to the pple, interests and events in my current life.

My main contact with the Universe is by strong synchronicities both astrological, recurring numbers, events, material patterns each and every day. F.i the growling noice as the video stopped when I had the thought about "kidnapping" After that I turned on the radio and on the news they talked about Lithuanians complaining about Norwegian "caretakers of children that do not fare well" bringing these children to families in Norway saying the reason is the Norwegians are so few they risk inbreeding :doh:

Preceding that i had the thought that monks cannot have children of their own and that the ancient Greek Platon tried to figure out how to have children without having to mate with a woman who was considered inferior to males and to only be a container for the child that was put there by the male sperm:ROFL:

Also once I woke up with an intense feeling of being eternal, no thought just feeling and assurance. I have read books, seen documentaries and read personal histories about reincarnation so I'm absolutely convinced but I think just like we have different talents in other areas of life like being musical, technical or otherwise we have different "spiritual talents".

I'm thrilled to hear that! I loved your story regarding Plato. Made me laugh:bigsmile: Please feel free to call me Dane :) That's the name I was given in this life anyhow. The username IS a rather long play on words...
On another note, what a wonderful experience to have! I have had the same feeling as well. Specific moments in my life where I didn't feel separate. Fantastic isn't it? I certainly understand on a daily basis that I am a part of everything... but in those rare moments I didn't just comprehend it. I knew it. I didn't see trees and animals and family and friends... I saw me. As if everything in the universe was simply a giant mirror reflecting The All. Regaining the memories of these past lives helped me look at people and realize why they act the way they do (because I have acted the same way for better or worse throughout the ages at some point) A reflection of who we all are as a collective. Everything is connected. The universe was like a cardiac monitoring system without a plug. At one moment a heart beat would rise and it would form a tree, cat, human, alien, etc. But it kept going like the energizer bunny! It was simply showing different expressions of the whole. I personally LOVE that each of us have different personalities... Because it allows me to peer into an 'alternative' view of the world. By seeing the world through the eyes of others I get to see a different side of The All that I never 'comprehended' beforehand (at least in this life). And lucky me! I get to see a bit of the world through your eyes as well through this beautiful forum. And what a great viewpoint you have transiten! And even more, what a truly phenomenal existence we are all part of. Or should I say whole of :sun:

[transiten]

I saw me. As if everything in the universe was simply a giant mirror reflecting The All. Regaining the memories of these past lives helped me look at people and realize why they act the way they do (because I have acted the same way for better or worse throughout the ages at some point) A reflection of who we all are as a collective. Everything is connected.

Ok Dane! This part is especially true for me, for better or worse. I mean the only way to truly learn and understand is personal experience, and I think we gather and bring experiences from past lives even if we don't remember and don't succeed in transforming the neg to pos every "time around". We've got many lifetimes to practice and time doesn't exist in the other dimensions so we won't experience the feeling of never getting out of the cycle of karma from accumulated lifetimes, only from not wanting to be here in this lifetime for various reason...i think...

I'm off to my allotment, digging the soil, basking in the :sun:

[OMG]

"Power" is the ability to ACT in whatever environment you find yourself in. It encompasses ALL things including emotions or subtle values and attributes like "love".

Power is not to be confused with "force" which is an imposition of power/action onto others, usually against their will.

Growth is a symptom of fallacy, not perfection.

:)

[Neal]

Thank you Bill for posting the download link as we can't view it on YouTube here in the US.

For those looking for subtitles, I have found a working subtitle file for this documentary. You can play it with the movie using a program such as VLC player and the subtitles appear to match very well.

I have attached the file in .zip format. Simply unzip it and load the file with your video player software of choice!

[Earthlink]

Also, far too many species, not just Humans, are born with innate abilities, making even the idea of entertaining the idea that "one of a kind" or "once and only once" a very preposterous idea indeed.

The word "instincts" for example, is just a word that someone made up because they did not know the actual answer. Perhaps also, because that was then and this is now, and evolution stops for nothing, while in that judeo-christian time when that word "instincts" was first used, they likely did not believe at the time that they could even go that far from the path of "creator and created" and were perhaps even afraid to probe these thoughts at all in the first place, because of the zeitgeist of those days.

Time stands still for no one though, and in time, what is will become known.

[Jake]

Thanks for the perspective, everybody...!!! :)

And thanks for the vid, Bill... What an amazing journey?


I do not see the journey of the soul to be a 'fall from grace'.. Indeed, no! I do know that physical body experiences are quite limited in comparison to a non physical existence..

To be, or not to be?? I believe THAT is the question. Exist, or not.. get busy living,, or get busy dying...

Returning to source will be fruitless, if I don't bring fruit,, (memories of creation/experience...).

Why does it have to be a fall from grace? Can it not simply be a choice to exist? After all is said and done,, and you are again,, one large limitless mind,,, (the same as in the beginning) ,, Do you decide to end in oblivion,, or do you begin life again,, experience and creation??? It is a choice! To BE,, or NOT?

My grandmother once told me that the problem with Heaven,, is that a freethinking soul will always (eventually) look at God and question,, 'who createdYOU, then?'. Which is what constituted the original 'fall from grace'... No?

I do not consider that a 'fall',, as much as an opportunity to live and learn,, a choice...

I went from believing that I WAS my physical body,, to experiencing being OUTSIDE my physical body,, to realizing that I am not IN my body at all... Physical bodies do not 'house' consciousness,, it is quite the other way around..

You may see a past life and consider it over and done,, but you can't tell that to the past life.. It is still NOW to the poor bugger,, just like it is NOW to anyone reading this...

Sometimes when playing my guitar,, I can FEEL the 'bleedthroughs' from other lives... It is not like "hey I have done this before"!! It is more like "hey, I'm doing this right Now in another life..". Nobody taught me music,, not in this life,, lol...

I have had too many fully conscious OBEs to conclude that this body is anything more than a puppet,, and I am a puppeteer...

I was taken aboard a craft once.. A round disc shaped craft.. I had been in my bed paralyzed and vibrating,, so I assume it was An astral experience.. (for those of you who still deny your non physical existence,, you have an amazing day ahead of you... Lol...). There were 2 tall grays. Not scary at all... We were being taken to witness the destruction of a planet that is soo far in the future that it does not exist yet.. One of the only requests was that we do Not look the pilot in his eyes... There was maybe 15 or 20 of us humans sitting together for the ride. Long story short,, we were on the way back when I decided to try and look the pilot in the eye... (side note here,, I remember having to think very gentle thoughts, as the two greys were very psychic,,). I had to be sneaky... I DID look him in his eyes..

A burning realization was forever branded to my soul... This tall grey ET was ME!!!! It was like a bi-location event.. I quickly forgot which one was me!!! I was looking across space and time at another incarnation of myself where I was NOT human..

When I sat up in bed I suspected a 'fight' for the memory recall, but there was no need as I remembered the whole damn thing..

Another game changer for Jake... Lol...

Needless to say, the concept of reincarnation will be quite difficult to wrap yer brain around,, if one insists that their identity is attached to a human body,, and/or linear time..

Either way,, if/when I decide to return to source,, I will be bearing fruits,,, fruits of creation/experience.. I hope they are ready for a feast... Lol...

The human gnome is only about 200,000 years old.. Our souls are infinite... Which leads me to question,,,,, Are you sure that you are human??? :):)

Jake

[Rich]

That's really interesting Jake!
Great posts guys.

A different take on reincarnation:

Reincarnation implies a reincarnating self. There is no such thing. The bundle of memories and hopes, called the "I", imagines itself existing everlastingly and creates time to accomodate its false eternity. ~Nisaragadatta

Bashar said something like: ''Past life's are not really past, future life's are not really future, it is simply that everything exists here and now and therefore is always accessible.''

[Flash]

"Power" is the ability to ACT in whatever environment you find yourself in. It encompasses ALL things including emotions or subtle values and attributes like "love".

Power is not to be confused with "force" which is an imposition of power/action onto others, usually against their will.

Growth is a symptom of fallacy, not perfection.

:)

I certainly will not argue with you on the usage of words in the English language, English not being my mothertongue. However, I must tell you that I use those words differently from the meanings you give them.

You see, to me love is not a subtle value or attribute but rather a very determining and encompassing factor in the energy fields for example, maybe more than power..

Power for me is not the ability to act, it is the ability to impose or control (that you relate to force). Not to say that when evolve we do not have power in my own meanings, for self control for example, but just to say that it is not related to the verb act in my brain.

and I truly do not understand why growth would be a symptom of fallacy.

Araucaria.... the great French and English scolar, HELP here!:idea:

[OMG]

Perfection has no error and therefore cannot have fallacy. To subscribe error to perfection is to make it imperfect.

Unless you wish to suggest that everything comes from or IS GOD/SOURCE. Which could also be true. Yet if you take this view then everything is relative and there is nothing wrong/right in the Big picture...everything just is.

In order to communicate with language we must choose words. If you choose to subscribe the word "power" with the meaning I choose for the word "force" then you are free to do so. But regardless we should not confuse the intended meanings.

ANYTHING we DO, whether or not it performed by our intellect, emotions, mechanical body, or whatever is what I call a "power". Love is power, consciousness (which is sometimes synonymous with light) is a power, etc.

I'm certainly not trying to suggest that Love is a subtle attribute or somehow less by connoting/denoting it as one of our attributes. LOVE is VITAL and MOST important! Anyone who reads my various post in this forum knows my stance on love.

Hope this helps...

BTW: What word would you use that includes all actions, thoughts, feelings, etc, that you can perform be they internal or external?

:)

[Brakeman]

Awesome thread Bill!

I've been thinking about reincarnation as I've found myself in situations I thought I'd never end up in... New lives in essence... And it got me to think what would inspire a spirit to inhabit a body on this messed up planet. So I thought back to some of the best times of my life, when I was estranged from my family, with hardly any money, making reckless decisions. Man was I free and feeling life, maybe that's what inspires is to come to this little planet... That feeling of being immersed in the experience, in full, good bad and ugly lol!!

[Flash]

Perfection has no error and therefore cannot have fallacy. To subscribe error to perfection is to make it imperfect.

Unless you wish to suggest that everything comes from or IS GOD/SOURCE. Which could also be true. Yet if you take this view then everything is relative and there is nothing wrong/right in the Big picture...everything just is.

In order to communicate with language we must choose words. If you choose to subscribe the word "power" with the meaning I choose for the word "force" then you are free to do so. But regardless we should not confuse the intended meanings.

ANYTHING we DO, whether or not it performed by our intellect, emotions, mechanical body, or whatever is what I call a "power". Love is power, consciousness (which is sometimes synonymous with light) is a power, etc.

I'm certainly not trying to suggest that Love is a subtle attribute or somehow less by connoting/denoting it as one of our attributes. LOVE is VITAL and MOST important! Anyone who reads my various post in this forum knows my stance on love.

Hope this helps...

BTW: What word would you use that includes all actions, thoughts, feelings, etc, that you can perform be they internal or external?

:)

Thanks, as a foreigner to the English language, I should rely on the English dictionary a bit more. Because then, we can talk with the similar significations.

Answer:

human avatar incarnation :idea:

[Earthlink]

Sometimes when I laugh real hard I forget which century I'm in.

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[SabreToothMom]

i could be wrong, but i personally don't see 'reincarnation' being a real thing.

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Heh. Perfect. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I wasn't sure about reincarnation until I heard my 26 month old son ask my 2 month old son "Hey, do you remember what God looks like? I forgot."

[Earthlink]

My friend the other day was reminiscing of the video's from the 80's when he asked the group of us if we could guess which was his favourite video from the 80's. There was laughter over this, and many guesses were made, and after insisting he was serious, he showed us this video:

I dunno, just the line "maybe it's his first time around" was kind of indicative of these types of realizations of the idea of "reincarnation" or "permanence"

Good video too, I'd forgotten about it.

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[Star Tsar]

OP link is dead so re-posting have not seen it yet looking forward too

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And a quick Q&A with the Director Nati Baratz

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