Dr Steven Greer: Reptilians and Greys aren't real

[zakkyD1302]

I think this interview is amazing I thiught I would share honestly they r kind of fighting the whole time and I think project camelot does alot of amazing interviews but I really think they should of let him talk cuz that is the point of interviewing someone but anyways he discusses that we genetically made the reptilians and the greys and I found that interesting because iv had a feeling in me that there was just something fishy about all these greys and reptilians not saying a species of them dont exsist but I feel like that would be a hard secret to keep but who knows anyways thought I would share the interview

Watch "Project Camelot interviews Dr Steven Greer" on YouTube
Project Camelot interviews Dr Steven Greer: https://youtu.be/hzqDVOjtNhg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg

[ghostrider]

they say they want official contact/disclosure yet the most documented case with the most physical evidence , 26,000 pages of contact notes , 1200 clear daytime photos , sound recordings , 100 witnesses , metal samples , hand prints , prophetic information that happened just as predicted , they completely ignore = face to face contact still ongoing for over 72 years now ... Edward Albert Meier and the plejaren ... the plejaren ET's say there are reptoid beings in the Universe , and the greys are androids created by off world human beings for deep space travel ... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Humanoid_lifeforms_in_the_known_universe

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This interview is from 2009. At least by now we know that whoever told Kerry that Earth was going to run out of oxygen in 10 months or 4 years or whatever she was saying, was full of crap.

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

I believe there is a negative force driving the western cabal that probably is not entirely human, whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever. But I also believe that Greer is sincerely passionate about what he does and seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying.

[andrewgreen]

This interview is from 2009. At least by now we know that whoever told Kerry that Earth was going to run out of oxygen in 10 months or 4 years or whatever she was saying, was full of crap.

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

I believe there is a negative force driving the western cabal that probably is not entirely human, whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever. But I also believe that Greer is sincerely passionate about what he does and seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying.

I'd agree completely with that synopsis. There does seem to be an off world/other dimensional controlling force.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It could also be totally possible that the non-human forces behind the cabal are ancient species native to this planet, or created here by other ETs or hybrids in past (since destroyed) versions of "human" civilization, ie Atlantis, Lemuria, etc., on back to the era of the dinosaurs.

[zakkyD1302]

This interview is from 2009. At least by now we know that whoever told Kerry that Earth was going to run out of oxygen in 10 months or 4 years or whatever she was saying, was full of crap.

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

I believe there is a negative force driving the western cabal that probably is not entirely human, whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever. But I also believe that Greer is sincerely passionate about what he does and seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying.
I know thats what he said and thats what I said lol?
And I know its old I just find dr greer to be one of the most if not the most crediable guy out there on this subject

[Tangri]

This interview is from 2009. At least by now we know that whoever told Kerry that Earth was going to run out of oxygen in 10 months or 4 years or whatever she was saying, was full of crap.

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

I believe there is a negative force driving the western cabal that probably is not entirely human, whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever. But I also believe that Greer is sincerely passionate about what he does and seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying.

whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever

I liked the "whatever" part of your sentence. :gossip:

Western Cabals just a tool(servant, orderly (well paid for their class)) and not belong to whatever part

[araucaria]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

[transiten]

Good points but I'm still repeating: Are we humans the only aggressive species in the Universe??? Why is it that difficult to try to include the whole picture as to not create these extreme discrepancies between worldviews even among us "conspiracy theoretics":juggle:

Well, we all live in a density of opposites, hardest thing to do is to keep more than one perspective at a time and to not project all the bad aspects onto another...

[ulli]

@transiten, with regards to her comment about aggressive species.
Some of my musings...
I believe humanity's agressiveness has to do with what each person is identified with and feels they need to defend and even fight for.

And to stop being identified takes a lot of hard work. First one must become convinced that identification is useless. And then comes the even harder part, that it keeps creeping into all sorts of situations because it had become a habit. So then we need to see what value our habits have. These habits need to be questioned as well, and regularly reshuffled.

So the only way to get to a more peaceful world is one individual at a time, developing a relationship with themselves, a personal philosophy, or set of principles. Knowing what one is doing, and why one is doing it, and fit this into the larger context of a harmonic cosmic society. It can be done, but it takes time, and must be a voluntary process. Because if forced, it can't ever work.

[protoflex]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

Umm, that thread is garbage. They need to delete it asap. Why wouldn't i want to go further into this thread, but instead jump to a garbage thread. I'm sorry. I don't follow.

Who forgot to take out the trash at this forum?

[araucaria]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

Umm, that thread is garbage. They need to delete it asap. Why wouldn't i want to go further into this thread, but instead jump to a garbage thread. I'm sorry. I don't follow.

Who forgot to take out the trash at this forum?
And that post is garbage too? And just how much else of this forum's founder's material is garbage too?

What I don't follow if that is your attitude is what you are doing here at all. Please explain.

[Carmody]

Looks like we have a 'great decider' in our midst. The kind that derail forums with their projections.

Give them another 10 years or so to grow up, by the looks of it. But not here, methinks.

[Carmody]

This interview is from 2009. At least by now we know that whoever told Kerry that Earth was going to run out of oxygen in 10 months or 4 years or whatever she was saying, was full of crap.

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

I believe there is a negative force driving the western cabal that probably is not entirely human, whether that be ET or astral entities or whatever. But I also believe that Greer is sincerely passionate about what he does and seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying.

Over here, is the way they learned how do do that very thing. One of the clues they used. If that (bolded) is true, and it might be, this is part of the how.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81384-Wireless-Electricity&p=952710#post952710

Then all the missing 411 stuff I've spoken on, ley lines, hot zones, and so on.

[Bill Ryan]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

Umm, that thread is garbage. They need to delete it asap. Why wouldn't i want to go further into this thread, but instead jump to a garbage thread. I'm sorry. I don't follow.

Who forgot to take out the trash at this forum?

Wow. Almost every post of yours is scathing or negative. Disagreeing with intelligence and respect is 100% fine, but the tone of your invective isn't. You're no longer welcome in this very friendly community. Paul has just unsubscribed you.

:focus:

[Buzzie]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

With regard to Dr. Steven Greer, I think it was Eric Hoffer who once said, "What starts out as a movement, soon becomes a business, and then becomes a racket".

[TrumanCash]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

How does some one like this get so much attention and rise so high in the public eye if not supported by the (militarized) "establishment"?

Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

TLC

[Flash]

In a strange way and from my own (well one never knows if it is truly from one's own), I am slowly coming to some of Dr Greer's conclusions, that the small greys and lots of reptilians are in fact a human creation, in order to do some dirty or difficult work, or in order to create fear, and have fear maintained at high and all levels on this planet.

It is obvious to me that we are dwelling in very low vibrational fields when thinking of these species, and at those low levels of vibrations, fear is easily installed. They may have been created with that in mind from human dark magicians/sorcerers/cabal.

But, as Dr Greers says for Bob Lazar "the question is what is the cabal purpose in letting him talk", my question in turn is what is the cabal's purpose in letting Dr Greer talk.

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Carmody, you probably meant 911?.

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Truman, why not have human beings that are much more Advanced than we think in terms of technologies and know how, including genetics. Anyhow, those who control this society do participate into the Advanced studies in these fields for sure.

At a certain level of evolution level, I truly believe that you cannot be entropic and destructive (although slight polarities are still needed for materialisation). And i truly believe that human have been caught by fear and cannot get rid of this mental insanity they have, for the 99.9999 % of us. And that the most contaminated are presently at the top of the human hierarchy. And for whatever I have read or understood of the reptilians, unaware fears is their most inner director as well. Therefore, could have been created by humans. Humans are sensitive to that energy of fear, much too much and their créations reflects it.

[Roisin]

Before you guys go any further, there's a thread you need to read, and in particular a post by Bill Ryan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70258-Is-Dr.-Steven-Greer-Corrupted-By-The-Alien-Intervention&p=820595&viewfull=1#post820595

With regard to Dr. Steven Greer, I think it was Eric Hoffer who once said, "What starts out as a movement, soon becomes a business, and then becomes a racket".

From a humble country doctor and staunch adherent of the Bahai religion to a common thug. Abrupt personality transformations like that suggests that he’s under the influence and control by a Machiavellian agency that will go to great lengths to implement their agenda.

[Carmody]

Carmody, you probably meant 911?.


http://www.canammissing.com/missing_411.html


Missing-411 is the first comprehensive research about people who have disappeared in the wilds of North America. It’s understood that people routinely get lost and some want to disappear, but this story is about the unusual. Nobody has ever studied the archives for similarities, traits and geographical clusters of missing people, until now.

A tip from a national park ranger led to this 4+ years and a 9000 hour investigative effort into understanding the stories behind people who have vanished. The book chronicles children, adults and the elderly who disappeared, sometimes in the presence of friends and relatives. As Search and Rescue personnel exhaust leads and places to search, relatives start to believe kidnappings and abductions have occurred. The belief by the relatives is not an isolated occurrence; it replicates itself time after time, case after case across North America.

The research depicts 28 clusters of missing people across the continent, something that has never been exposed and was a shocking find to researchers. Topography does play a part into the age of the victims and certain clusters have specific age and sex consistency that is baffling. This is not a phenomenon that has been occurring in just the last few decades, clusters of missing people have been identified as far back as the 1800’s.


And for the rest of us....music is a good expression (a break and a recharge), one that duplicates, in it's own way the upward spiral of life, repetition with change, individuality in synchronicity, resonance and harmony. (difficult tune to find, as the creator of it...has diligently removed it from all sources, this source is stealthed...'journey inwards')

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnu_ocDiaF4

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

[...]

Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

So you say it's an absurd idea that the grays would be produced by the US military, but then you say you've seen them working with military personnel yourself. So suddenly it doesn't sound quite so absurd anymore, right? Unless it's just that we don't want to re-evaluate long-held beliefs, to try to consider things from a different perspective.

I've heard many abductees and ET experiencers describe the grays as "droids" or "robot-like" or "servants" for other races, etc. If this is the case then why can't anyone use them? Including US military. So would it be so absurd that the military would be using them, instead of them using the US military? (As Greer points out, why should such an advanced race need any help from human beings at all, to agree to work with them militarily? Do they need stupid humans to help them do additional "research"? Why not just give us that advanced tech?)

[Carmody]

The reality is that humans, as we stand, in the median realm, the gross public of today, definitely IS moving toward the idea and the reality of biological and/or robotic workers of a humanoid bent. fact. inescapable. we head, in that direction. We go. now. as flow. It is indeed coming. Good? Bad? dunno. we're just the avatar with the desire to have integrational relational sex (on all levels) with rubber dolls, or idealized flesh with flashes of contrived personality ...so we can reflect into and on it. So we move in that direction, with or without realizing it....

I give it 10 years. No more.

We are terrible at realizing the emotional conditions and life of other people, we're like a half step into it already, with a deep history of subservience allocation and pressure into other creatures, like dogs, cows, horses and outright human slavery. It's in the religion and so on. Essentially, we're already there, in mindset.

It's a greased slide and we are already set and in the chute.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ohhh...you're going to like it there! (best sarcastic humour). But it's ok, the extant PTB will be your pointmen, and take the initial brunt.

[Roisin]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

[...]

Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

So you say it's an absurd idea that the grays would be produced by the US military, but then you say you've seen them working military personnel yourself. So suddenly it doesn't sound quite absurd anymore, right? Unless it's just that you don't want to re-evaluate long-held beliefs, to try to consider things from a different perspective.

I've heard many abductees and ET experiencers describe the grays as "droids" or "robot-like" or "servants" for other races, etc. If this is the case then why can't anyone use them? Including US military. So would it be so absurd that the military would be using them, instead of them using the US military? (As Greer points out, why should such an advanced race need any help from human beings at all, to agree to work with them militarily? Do they need stupid humans to help them do additional "research"? Why not just give us that advanced tech?)

That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Other people may go that far, but all I need one of these free energy generators to be marketed (at an affordable price) to the general masses.

If I can draw energy out of a vacuum at no cost, I'll be heating a greenhouse all winter and only God knows what else.




That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN.

So my question to you is, why do you automatically assume this and not consider that these grays in military bases might really just be military creations?

There was another whistleblower with Project Camelot some years ago, who was in the US Navy, who said that he had seen the US military doing all kinds of bizarre hybridization projects and that he himself had had dolphin genetics spliced into his DNA. I talked to another old veteran once who did underwater welding and told me that he was taken to a covert military base to do welding, and that he saw that they were growing things in giant tubes, just like you'd see in the movies.

I'm just saying, it would make sense in a lot of ways if this was the case. And by "in a lot of ways" I mean it would fit with lots of testimony I've read or listened to over the years.

[ulli]

In the context of Protoflex' outburst against Greer's critics the thought came to mind "with friends like that, who needs enemies?"
The fact that there are such strong emotions pro and con Dr. Greer means we need to look more deeply at what is going on here.
Start connecting the dots between the ordinary UFO investigation and the consciousness aspect, of how ETs can be attracted to make an appearance via meditation and an open attitude.

So if Greer says that there are no bad ETs I feel that behind that message is the image of the three monkeys, of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" because if you do, they will come and get you.

I really don't know enough about what is going on here, but one thing is for sure, not only the MSM are tools being used to influence people's minds. Every time anyone starts to offer their opinion, including me right now, it is designed to get others to accept their version of reality.

So then Greer's message begins to make sense, in that he wanted to cure his zapper-induced cancer by working out, and wants people to take their minds off the bad ET paradigm, simply for their own protection.

Having studied the Baha'i teachings myself I know that everything works by the law of attraction. Abdu'l-Baha said so back in 1912, and I read it in 1983, and started to observe my life unfolding in such a way that I could connect my own wishes to the reality which later manifested. I have more proof that this is true than I can put in one book.

So let's all wait and see, and verify for ourselves.

[Roisin]

Other people may go that far, but all I need one of these free energy generators to be marketed (at an affordable price) to the general masses.

If I can draw energy out of a vacuum at no cost, I'll be heating a greenhouse all winter and only God knows what else.




That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN.

So my question to you is, why do you automatically assume this and not consider that these grays in military bases might really just be military creations?

There was another whistleblower with Project Camelot some years ago, who was in the US Navy, who said that he had seen the US military doing all kinds of bizarre hybridization projects and that he himself had had dolphin genetics spliced into his DNA. I talked to another old veteran once who did underwater welding and told me that he was taken to a covert military base to do welding, and that he saw that they were growing things in giant tubes, just like you'd see in the movies.

I'm just saying, it would make sense in a lot of ways if this was the case. And by "in a lot of ways" I mean it would fit with lots of testimony I've read or listened to over the years.

The people in the military who are working on those projects are using ET technology and there's no way for us to know how much control the ET's have in those projects in terms of guidance and supervision. We don't even know if their technology can even be operated without having some ET around just to make it work.

So here's what I said before "That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN."

And here's what I'm saying now.... the ET's are still the ones creating those grey drones regardless that they've got humans helping out in the production line.

[Carmody]

Never forget the interdimensional inter temporal context in all of this.

I know, it makes it impossible, in some ways, to gain a foothold in understanding ...as the chessboard unfolds into 3d and time, in multiple dimensions of overlap, but..that is the reality of it.

Think big or stay on the flat farm. :)

[ulli]

Other people may go that far, but all I need one of these free energy generators to be marketed (at an affordable price) to the general masses.

If I can draw energy out of a vacuum at no cost, I'll be heating a greenhouse all winter and only God knows what else.




That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN.

So my question to you is, why do you automatically assume this and not consider that these grays in military bases might really just be military creations?

There was another whistleblower with Project Camelot some years ago, who was in the US Navy, who said that he had seen the US military doing all kinds of bizarre hybridization projects and that he himself had had dolphin genetics spliced into his DNA. I talked to another old veteran once who did underwater welding and told me that he was taken to a covert military base to do welding, and that he saw that they were growing things in giant tubes, just like you'd see in the movies.

I'm just saying, it would make sense in a lot of ways if this was the case. And by "in a lot of ways" I mean it would fit with lots of testimony I've read or listened to over the years.

The people in the military who are working on those projects are using ET technology and there's no way for us to know how much control the ET's have in those projects in terms of guidance and supervision. We don't even know if their technology can even be operated without having some ET around just to make it work.

So here's what I said before "That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN."

And here's what I'm saying now.... the ET's are still the ones creating those grey drones regardless that they've got humans helping out in the production line.

Having said all this, the answer is, in my view, to look within, and see if there are fears of extinction, or hopes of triumph over all others, including ET, in one's emotional body.
And then continue further..... if we see hope, do we immediately shut down, and fear our own naïveté, and become cynical?

Because these inner processes can bring a human individual to a level of perspective where all ETs are seen as creatures, with equal rights, and on a path of their own of learning.
And maybe learn that humanity in its diversity, has answers for them that their own society could not provide in their wildest dreams.
The universe is vast, and each one of the trillions of inhabited planets is a cell in an even larger body, like the trillions of cells in the human body, each helping the agenda that body has to maintain its health.

[araucaria]

The status of Greer’s info is one thing. It may be that ETs are all good and the bad ones are pure creations of the human imagination. That would not be to say that there are no bad ETs: pure creations of the human imagination can attain full 3D reality. Simply the name would be somewhat inaccurate.

Another thing is the use of that info. It may be that Greer is being used to disseminate disinfo. That could mean that the above is false, and the disinfo is also false. However, if the above is true, then the disinfo would also be true! There is no logical difficulty here, as there are two main ways of deceiving the population. You can have credible sources spreading lies, or discredited sources disseminating the truth; alternatively a mixture of both. The ultimate truthfulness might then coincide with the ultimate deception. You now accept the existence of bad ETs because you have personal experience of the ones we planted in your mind and which have taken on a life of their own. But the truth behind that truth is still that real ETs are all good. Except that… sorry, no version of reality to sell here.:confused:

Another thing altogether is the meteoric appearance of Protoflex, who was pretty quiet for his first six months or more, then suddenly flared up over the last few days before having a rather spectacular burnout today. Hardly surprising I suppose, when you see where he’s coming from.

Technical, mechanical, robotically engineered, the Protoflex is the first dual element sidekick: 50% Earth, 50% Fire... 100% pure devastating power! 2KSO9Qqukjo

[EC1000]

The reality is that humans, as we stand, in the median realm, the gross public of today, definitely IS moving toward the idea and the reality of biological and/or robotic workers of a humanoid bent. fact. inescapable. we head, in that direction. We go. now. as flow. It is indeed coming. Good? Bad? dunno. we're just the avatar with the desire to have integrational relational sex (on all levels) with rubber dolls, or idealized flesh with flashes of contrived personality ...so we can reflect into and on it. So we move in that direction, with or without realizing it....

I give it 10 years. No more.

We are terrible at realizing the emotional conditions and life of other people, we're like a half step into it already, with a deep history of subservience allocation and pressure into other creatures, like dogs, cows, horses and outright human slavery. It's in the religion and so on. Essentially, we're already there, in mindset.

It's a greased slide and we are already set and in the chute.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ohhh...you're going to like it there! (best sarcastic humour). But it's ok, the extant PTB will be your pointmen, and take the initial brunt.

I love your contributions, Carmody. You should be writing song lyrics ( if you don't already).

[ulli]

The status of Greer’s info is one thing. It may be that ETs are all good and the bad ones are pure creations of the human imagination. That would not be to say that there are no bad ETs: pure creations of the human imagination can attain full 3D reality. Simply the name would be somewhat inaccurate.

Another thing is the use of that info. It may be that Greer is being used to disseminate disinfo. That could mean that the above is false, and the disinfo is also false. However, if the above is true, then the disinfo would also be true! There is no logical difficulty here, as there are two main ways of deceiving the population. You can have credible sources spreading lies, or discredited sources disseminating the truth; alternatively a mixture of both. The ultimate truthfulness might then coincide with the ultimate deception. You now accept the existence of bad ETs because you have personal experience of the ones we planted in your mind and which have taken on a life of their own. But the truth behind that truth is still that real ETs are all good. Except that… sorry, no version of reality to sell here.:confused:

Another thing altogether is the meteoric appearance of Protoflex, who was pretty quiet for his first six months or more, then suddenly flared up over the last few days before having a rather spectacular burnout today. Hardly surprising I suppose, when you see where he’s coming from.

Technical, mechanical, robotically engineered, the Protoflex is the first dual element sidekick: 50% Earth, 50% Fire... 100% pure devastating power! 2KSO9Qqukjo

Sorry to go off topic for a moment here...but the "50% earth, 50% fire" caught my attention. I could not resist, after seeing the vehemence of his posts, to go and check the profile page where I saw the birth data, which reveled a powerful Uranus Jupiter conjunction in Sagittarius (FIRE) right angle to another powerful Venus Mars conjunction in Virgo (EARTH) and I thought to myself "no wonder". Then I saw your post here. The mind boggles.....

[Flash]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

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Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

So you say it's an absurd idea that the grays would be produced by the US military, but then you say you've seen them working military personnel yourself. So suddenly it doesn't sound quite absurd anymore, right? Unless it's just that you don't want to re-evaluate long-held beliefs, to try to consider things from a different perspective.

I've heard many abductees and ET experiencers describe the grays as "droids" or "robot-like" or "servants" for other races, etc. If this is the case then why can't anyone use them? Including US military. So would it be so absurd that the military would be using them, instead of them using the US military? (As Greer points out, why should such an advanced race need any help from human beings at all, to agree to work with them militarily? Do they need stupid humans to help them do additional "research"? Why not just give us that advanced tech?)

That only tells me that that advanced race needs human collaboration, at least to some extent, to carry out their agenda. Giving them some of their technology which undoubtedly is supervised by them from "on high" is only an ego stroke... a psychological tactic that makes the humans who are working with them feel like they are important players in THE BIG PLAN.

Who tells you they are more Advanced races. Certainly NOT ME.

Carmody had a very good post once that was saying, in my own words, and if I remember well, that just the fact that those races work with us tells you they are not that Advanced, merely .00001 percent more in technology, and minus 20% less in spiritual development (my own conclusion, the percentages).

They are not Advanced, they just enhanced their avatar's intelligence so that they look more intelligent, and are thinking faster. Point, period, final.

Their society, from what I read/heard, is so much caught in unmovable stratified behavior and strictly organised stratified society that no improvement is possible. They are in a static status quo, unmovable, with a collective ego so large that they think they are perfection. All the descriptive of dead ends right here. And if I remember, that was the zest of Carmody's conclusion, which I agree with. I do think it stems from our psychopath cabal to start with, they created it themselves, or at a minimum, called for it.

We are in fact much much more capable of evolution. And technology is not necessary for this. It could be used and be useful, but definitely not necessary. Transhumanism will block evolution for sure. We construct our avatars to evolve, THEY, OUR HUMAN BODIES WITH ALL ITS COMPONENTS (PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, CEREBRAL), ARE THE TOOLS TO USE, OUR BODIES ARE THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE CREATED TO EVOLVE, NOT TECHNICAL TECHNOLOGIES. And this is sad that most do not understand this.

My experience with self qualified advanced human avatar from self proclaimed advance races: extreme pain caused by the absence of love. Extreme pain by seeing/feeling the absence of love (not the hatred, just the absence. A sensitive human knows when it is not there - and the pain is about what is missing for evolution, the dead end, it is dreadful). I had rarely lived it on this planet prior - i had lived through little love, but absence, no, never. This planet is filled with love when we put our trickster ego aside. But i did see the absence of love once, and I know it is a dead end path. Technology cannot make it.

Now, are ETs all good. Those not on earth, maybe. They would not go where the situation is controlled through the absence of love and wisdom. Those here, if they are ET, are low ranking in the universe. But my bet is that they are from here to start with, created or called for by our own psychopaths, who thrive on fear, because live/light/love is absent in them. They disconnected from their oversoul. They cannot absorb and process through them the universal énergies anymore. They are scavengers through fear énergies.

We are in fact much much more.

That Greer is right or not, it does not change anything. Lower énergies are called in or created by scavengers who know how to use the biological avatar and how to create fear in it, in order to mantain their stronghold and be fed, and this involve anyone conciously working with them (greys, reptilians, humans, etc).

Higher énergies are are usually positively influencing developement and the human avatar and do not create fear. But those énergies have problems inspiring the ones placed in lower énergies environments.

I am sure the lower energy beings are the pariah of the universe, and they maybe blocked, caged here on earth, until this problem is solved.

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Ulli, I do not see the scavenger of the earth, or of the universe, as simple creature. I see them as the most in need of Learning and the least inclined to learn.

So what is left? Certainly not getting stop by them, while giving énergies that will go wasted in more universal terms.

what is left is our own evolution, and if they can follow suite, up to them, they have to make the effort. The good hearted will get stop to try to help, and this is a trap.

The way of helping is by showing the way, by doing it ourselves. No waiting for the backward retards.

Flash, the ex-retard.

[Elainie]

I do not trust what Greer says and think he's been fed disinfo. I think he does believe what he is saying.

[ulli]

Ulli, I do not see the scavenger of the earth, or of the universe, as simple creature. I see them as the most in need of Learning and the least inclined to learn.

So what is left? Certainly not getting stop by them, while giving énergies that will go wasted in more universal terms.

what is left is our own evolution, and if they can follow suite, up to them, they have to make the effort. The good hearted will get stop to try to help, and this is a trap.

The way of helping is by showing the way, by doing it ourselves. No waiting for the backward retards.

Flash, the ex-retard.

Well, when looking at opposites as an exercise to define reality.
Darkness is not real, it is absence of light. Equally evil is not real either, as it is the absence of knowledge, and the ultimate knowledge is that of love without which there would be no life.
This is how I see things, and this is just different words, but the same as what you stated here.
"Most in need of learning, and least inclined to learn." I like that way of showing their dilemma.

But who is to say for sure who is who, and how dumb are they? That goes for evil /ignorant humans as well as evil/ignorant ETs.
Society can try to find the wisest in their ranks to make these kinds of judgements on behalf of the people.

If there are bad ETs out there, who are more evil than the worst kind of human scum,
I would not like to be the one who studies them, who fights them, who judges them, nor who educates them.

But I'm sure there are others who would be delighted to take on that job, and become the hero.
And maybe that is Dr. Greer's secret ambition.
Actually, I like all those investigators who have shown us that we are not alone in the universe,
even if they got a few things wrong.
I figured it is part of the territory that nobody would get it right 100% of the time. Too much deception muck to plough through.

[COREYLYNCH]

Oh I beg to differ!! reptilians and greys are real! In fact to my understanding there are native terra Repti that have been underground longer then humans have even been on this planet also a hierarchy of Draconians that the greys work under and those are the shapeshifters. They are all scientists and have been working with dna creating blank body containers for different reasons in their d.u.m.b.s for him to make the statement that they are not real so matter of fact is concerning!

[Flash]

Oh I beg to differ!! reptilians and greys are real! In fact to my understanding there are native terra Repti that have been underground longer then humans have even been on this planet also a hierarchy of Draconians that the greys work under and those are the shapeshifters. They are all scientists and have been working with dna creating blank body containers for different reasons in their d.u.m.b.s for him to make the statement that they are not real so matter of fact is concerning!

Have you seen them, been in contact with them. If not, who told you what you know? If so, were they from the earth (not from space) and how do you know where/how they are created?

My question are genuine, they aren't meant as a challenge. I had so many talks on so many levels with enough people, that I am sure of nothing anymore.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

And here's what I'm saying now.... the ET's are still the ones creating those grey drones regardless that they've got humans helping out in the production line.

And all I'm asking is how you know this is the case, and not other alternatives, such as what Greer is saying about humans making these droid grays for their own purposes.

In other words we have at least two possibilities here. Are you just stating an opinion out of habit or do you actually have solid evidence that would indicate one scenario over the other?

[Elainie]

Oh I beg to differ!! reptilians and greys are real! In fact to my understanding there are native terra Repti that have been underground longer then humans have even been on this planet also a hierarchy of Draconians that the greys work under and those are the shapeshifters. They are all scientists and have been working with dna creating blank body containers for different reasons in their d.u.m.b.s for him to make the statement that they are not real so matter of fact is concerning!

Have you seen them, been in contact with them. If not, who told you what you know? If so, were they from the earth (not from space) and how do you know where/how they are created?

My question are genuine, they aren't meant as a challenge. I had so many talks on so many levels with enough people, that I am sure of nothing anymore.



I've been abducted by greys my entire life (if abduction is what it is- could be any range of possibilities from mind control to advanced holographics, I am objective in my opinions and have no concrete evidence to what is really going on) and they told me back in the mid 2000's that they are us and we are them. Back in the 90's they told me they are a future race of us humans. They told this to my oldest daughter as well.

Not that I *trust* anything they say (they don't speak, it's all telepathy) so I'm just relaying what what communicated to us. We have not been in touch with reptoids (thank goddess).

[Tangri]

Carmody, you probably meant 911?.


http://www.canammissing.com/missing_411.html


Missing-411 is the first comprehensive research about people who have disappeared in the wilds of North America. It’s understood that people routinely get lost and some want to disappear, but this story is about the unusual. Nobody has ever studied the archives for similarities, traits and geographical clusters of missing people, until now.

A tip from a national park ranger led to this 4+ years and a 9000 hour investigative effort into understanding the stories behind people who have vanished. The book chronicles children, adults and the elderly who disappeared, sometimes in the presence of friends and relatives. As Search and Rescue personnel exhaust leads and places to search, relatives start to believe kidnappings and abductions have occurred. The belief by the relatives is not an isolated occurrence; it replicates itself time after time, case after case across North America.

The research depicts 28 clusters of missing people across the continent, something that has never been exposed and was a shocking find to researchers. Topography does play a part into the age of the victims and certain clusters have specific age and sex consistency that is baffling. This is not a phenomenon that has been occurring in just the last few decades, clusters of missing people have been identified as far back as the 1800’s.


And for the rest of us....music is a good expression (a break and a recharge), one that duplicates, in it's own way the upward spiral of life, repetition with change, individuality in synchronicity, resonance and harmony. (difficult tune to find, as the creator of it...has diligently removed it from all sources, this source is stealthed...'journey inwards')

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnu_ocDiaF4

1.400 native women disappeared in thin air at Manitoba, Canada.

No one cares or investigates, it takes very small articles at news.

[Wakanpyro]

It would seem, as thing sit, the question is, does one believe Dr. Greer or not? He is a person and very passionate about what he believe. He could be correct, or he could think he is correct and be wrong. Even if he is speaking out of his heart, he could be used by others to spread disinformation and he may not know it. Then again, he may.
I guess this entire thing comes to a point just like all other things the Governments and them who pull the strings in high places are involved in. Keep people wondering, searching, arguing and chasing their tails and the will be so confused that when the truth arrives, it will be what we say and they wont know the difference. Once scenario that is used quite often is to bring people to such frustration, pain and agony that when one appears with what seems to be the answer, it is accepted unconditionally as a salvation from the problems at hand. Just my opinion, but I see these things working most of the time in the ET/ED field of study. When we think about it, who can we trust with information unless it comes from ourselves and our own experiences? Then, the question remains, in our own experiences, have we been lied to or deceived? It isn't in the knowing, for we know much. It's in the understanding... Just some thoughts...

[Tangri]

It would seem, as thing sit, the question is, does one believe Dr. Greer or not? He is a person and very passionate about what he believe. He could be correct, or he could think he is correct and be wrong. Even if he is speaking out of his heart, he could be used by others to spread disinformation and he may not know it. Then again, he may.
I guess this entire thing comes to a point just like all other things the Governments and them who pull the strings in high places are involved in. Keep people wondering, searching, arguing and chasing their tails and the will be so confused that when the truth arrives, it will be what we say and they wont know the difference. Once scenario that is used quite often is to bring people to such frustration, pain and agony that when one appears with what seems to be the answer, it is accepted unconditionally as a salvation from the problems at hand. Just my opinion, but I see these things working most of the time in the ET/ED field of study. When we think about it, who can we trust with information unless it comes from ourselves and our own experiences? Then, the question remains, in our own experiences, have we been lied to or deceived? It isn't in the knowing, for we know much. It's in the understanding... Just some thoughts...

I do not care for ETs. They are maybe more advance than Humans but they are blind observers. They did not detect Terra's aliens and stayed neutral for centuries. For me, they are guilty(or responsible) as Terra's malevolence aliens, against human mass.

I see them as a clearance salvager (or wreck removal). which does not help the former passengers. ( I feel same for Natural graphics wild Life photographers, they are witnessing horrible events for sake of art or science)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I do not care for ETs. They are maybe more advance than Humans but they are blind observers. They did not detect Terra's aliens and stayed neutral for centuries. For me, they are guilty(or responsible) as Terra's malevolence aliens, against human mass.

So I think Greer's point was, starting with an attitude like yours, what comes next?

I think we can all agree that the western cabal loves war. The western hemisphere seems to constantly be engaged in warfare. It's what props up our economies. If anyone is responsible for malevolence, it's our own leaders, and we are responsible for allowing them to do it. Did you ever think of it that way?

And whose interest do you think it would be in, to portray a significant number of ETs as hostile and a military threat, that could possibly require a massive enough war to bring on the "end of the world"? If the ETs really wanted us all dead, they would have done it by now.

[Agape]

''We have entered the golden age of technology where scientific data can replace theories ...'' ( Big Picture Science show )

''You can please some people sometimes but you can't please all the people all the time'' ( Bob Marley )

''So you know what is real ''

As if when it's written on the internet it has to be real . The great truth is like something you're going to figure out through arguing ( alright, sharing ) with someone on the Internet :bigsmile: someone will come and tell you ..

give ET some fruit if you see them ..

[Omni]

Greer's explanation for how dark ETs cannot be around is that mentally it takes a lightside consciousness to travel faster than light. I know this as blatantly false. Advanced ETs can mind control any conscious energy into the mind via electromagnetics. So they could just curcumvent this mechanics by mind control.... Makes zero sense his explanation.

I do not trust Greer at all. Not with money, not with disclosure, not with anything of importance. I think it's quite possible he was chosen for his activities far before he became known due to his character flaws. The more character flaws a person organically has the easier the mind control process is to sabotage them and any movement/organization they start...

Greer was compromised by mind control IMO. And his story about ETs being only good is pure disinfo IMO...


iv had a feeling in me that there was just something fishy about all these greys and reptilians not saying a species of them dont exsist but I feel like that would be a hard secret to keep but who knows anyways thought I would share the interview

With 238,000 search results on google for "Grey Extraterrestrials" it is hardly a secret. Anyone who remotely explores the subjects of UFOlogy knows about Greys...

I don't think it's a secret at all.

I remember when I was first initiated to the ET reality on earth and had plenty of interactions with small Greys, tall Greys, and other Greys. I was astounded that so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone who searched such.

[Elainie]

Greer's explanation for how dark ETs cannot be around is that mentally it takes a lightside consciousness to travel faster than light. I know this as blatantly false. Advanced ETs can mind control any conscious energy into the mind via electromagnetics. So they could just curcumvent this mechanics by mind control.... Makes zero sense his explanation.

I do not trust Greer at all. Not with money, not with disclosure, not with anything of importance. I think it's quite possible he was chosen for his activities far before he became known due to his character flaws. The more character flaws a person organically has the easier the mind control process is to sabotage them and any movement/organization they start...

Greer was compromised by mind control IMO. And his story about ETs being only good is pure disinfo IMO...


iv had a feeling in me that there was just something fishy about all these greys and reptilians not saying a species of them dont exsist but I feel like that would be a hard secret to keep but who knows anyways thought I would share the interview

With 238,000 search results on google for "Grey Extraterrestrials" it is hardly a secret. Anyone who remotely explores the subjects of UFOlogy knows about Greys...

I don't think it's a secret at all.

I remember when I was first initiated to the ET reality on earth and had plenty of interactions with small Greys, tall Greys, and other Greys. I was astounded that so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone who searched such.



Has anyone else had experience with *grey like* beings whom are not grey in color but the color of the moon (pearl colored) and are very short (size of a 2 year old) with very large heads? Those are the original beings of my childhood I had contact with. Only later did I come into contact with grey beings who became more streamlined in appearance (heads not as large but still large, taller in stature - 5 to over 5 feet and an actual grey color).

Edited to add; probably most of us who have had *contact* (for lack of a better word since I really cannot say or sure what it is) have been in contact with greys of varying types (2 feet, 4 feet and so on). I'm not a fan of their abductions at all and wished it had never happened to me and some of my children.

Greer might be part of the spin control (under direction of grey factions) and not even know this himself. At this point there is a lot of speculation and no hard answers. I know I haven't been satisfied with anything I've read on the subject.


Many years ago (1992) my ex husband and I had dinner with Linda M Howe and a local researcher here (Richard Sigismund) and we were sworn to secrecy back then over a case she had taken on. This is what she relayed (I forgot details of where this took place so please excuse) a woman , a neighbor as a witness and there may have been another party witness to this aside from the military faction. Woman was raped by a reptoid (this was the first time I had heard of this phenomena) neighbor saw 2-3 military men scrambling to get the woman back into her house before she was noted missing, but were overheard arguing get her the F**K back in the house,while reptoid stood on watching. Neighbor was terrified of course.

Greer says there are no bad ETs/ID's- ok. Perhpas this was all some elaborate holographic hoax, who knows, point is it was traumatizing for victim and witness. Maybe for the military guys as well.

[Wakanpyro]

I remember when I was first initiated to the ET reality on earth and had plenty of interactions with small Greys, tall Greys, and other Greys. I was astounded that so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone who searched such.[/QUOTE]

Ah, but this is the point now isn't it? "so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone..." But how does one know which is truth? Possibly you believe you know which is which because of your experience. But those without or with a different experience are still trying to sort through the the sandbox looking for the sugar.
Then, people who search and find conflicting reports have to try to judge, for there is nothing left, who is telling the truth and who isn't? Who has the most believable stories or those that seem to resonate with us? It's all been turned into a witches brew of truth and deception. I've noticed sometimes interviews with those who many would see as rather mad or crazy with their stories, but that is but perception. Others are Moms and Pops with normal lives turned upside down so possibly they are more believable.
This my friends is why the frustration mounts and people cry out for disclosure because they can't sort the sugar from the sand. Then the great danger appears... if they come.... if they reveal....if the government fesses up.... can we believe them? Hard questions...........hard times...............

[chriswallace]

Easily detected are government agents, hiding their visible lack of passion under an exuberance of wealth, security, comfort, attire and disinformation.

'A lie is most convincingly placed between two truths.'
x-files season 1

[zakkyD1302]

Wow people im sure im going to get banned after this reply for my crappy spelling and grammer this isnt a reply of the crappy interview who cares if he says all ets r good if u believe that comment then ur just a fool but is it so hard to believe that good triumphs over evil in the universe? So maybe the good ets have way more power then bad ones? Maybe his comments r true about us not being able to explore very far because we r not a peaceful race perhaps they r only letting us stay close to earth so it doesnt stump r evolution obviously there is good and bad EVERYWHERE and if u believe otherwise then u r not in this universe anymore and I honestly think the reptilians and greys that we mostly have contact with r a product of are own creation I honestly think that the whole secrecy thing is a product of people just getting memorys erased then doing it to someone else so I think no one even has control of this monster anymore but who knows iv never been in touch with any ets I just know they r real so maybe I am wrong but if u believe foolish stories like the greys can travel the galaxy and they need r dna because there race is dying then just keep on beliveing that lol cuz even if that was true thats a one time.visit to earth and ur problem is fixed lol


And I havent followed him as a person but he is human very very few people can resist the temptation of stealing money and other stuff I dont know the details im just saying I think he has some of the most accurate information obviously besides the all ets r good come on people thats silly lol and it isnt something that is worth arguing over I posted this to see if anyone had any information of reptilians and greys being made I think people under estimate what humans r capable of by far ten years ago I had a friend who designed a engine that ran off water some how and was capable of hitting highspeeds just like a normal car and I believe gmc or someother big dog gave him like 3'million for the patten rights and it never exsisted after that and im sure he wasnt the first

[transiten]

One way or the other three fingers always point back to yourself while pointing onto another. Always start with yourself, how much "good versus evil" do we find? And which of them gets more focus and attention? I believe most pple on earth are most good. That might apply to other "ET humanoids" also.

Constantly practicing, trying not to condemn others and myself for not succeeding all of the time although I'm having tantrums every now and then with the clash of 3Dreality :blackwidow::bearhug:

[zakkyD1302]

One way or the other three fingers always point back to yourself while pointing onto another. Always start with yourself, how much "good versus evil" do we find? And which of them gets more focus and attention? I believe most pple on earth are most good. That might apply to other "ET humanoids" also.

Constantly practicing, trying not to condemn others and myself for not succeeding all of the time although I'm having tantrums every now and then with the clash of 3Dreality :blackwidow::bearhug:
Umm I dont believe I pointed a finger at anyone

[transiten]

One way or the other three fingers always point back to yourself while pointing onto another. Always start with yourself, how much "good versus evil" do we find? And which of them gets more focus and attention? I believe most pple on earth are most good. That might apply to other "ET humanoids" also.

Constantly practicing, trying not to condemn others and myself for not succeeding all of the time although I'm having tantrums every now and then with the clash of 3Dreality :blackwidow::bearhug:
Umm I dont believe I pointed a finger at anyone

zakky I don't believe I've pointed a finger towards you specifically? I have not included a quote from you. How come you feel pointed at by me? I'm talking about myself and believe this goes for others also...:confused:

[zakkyD1302]

One way or the other three fingers always point back to yourself while pointing onto another. Always start with yourself, how much "good versus evil" do we find? And which of them gets more focus and attention? I believe most pple on earth are most good. That might apply to other "ET humanoids" also.

Constantly practicing, trying not to condemn others and myself for not succeeding all of the time although I'm having tantrums every now and then with the clash of 3Dreality :blackwidow::bearhug:
Umm I dont believe I pointed a finger at anyone

zakky I don't believe I've pointed a finger towards you specifically? I have not included a quote from you. How come you feel pointed at by me? I'm talking about myself and believe this goes for others also...:confused:
My mistake thought u were talking to me

[Roisin]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

How does some one like this get so much attention and rise so high in the public eye if not supported by the (militarized) "establishment"?

Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

TLC

Truman Cash, I'm in total agreement with your above statement. Thanks for sharing!

[TrumanCash]

It really threw up a red flag for me years ago when I first heard Greer basically say that ETs are good and there are no bad ETs. In light of all the thousands of abductees who had a much different story to tell, it appears to reveal that Greer is intentionally disseminating disinfo. For him to say that Grays are a product of the military or whatever is absolutely absurd given the amazing technology of the Grays, et al, that is obviously light years ahead of Earth human technology.

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Since I myself have seen Grays working with military personnel in a deep underground base, it is easy to see why the establishment would like to portray Grays, et al, in a positive light.

So you say it's an absurd idea that the grays would be produced by the US military, but then you say you've seen them working with military personnel yourself. So suddenly it doesn't sound quite so absurd anymore, right? Unless it's just that you don't want to re-evaluate long-held beliefs, to try to consider things from a different perspective.

I've heard many abductees and ET experiencers describe the grays as "droids" or "robot-like" or "servants" for other races, etc. If this is the case then why can't anyone use them? Including US military. So would it be so absurd that the military would be using them, instead of them using the US military? (As Greer points out, why should such an advanced race need any help from human beings at all, to agree to work with them militarily? Do they need stupid humans to help them do additional "research"? Why not just give us that advanced tech?)

Just because I've seen Grays working with the military doesn't mean the military created them. This is not a logical conclusion.

Have you even read my books? I've had many experiences with Grays over thousands of years, which I have documented. They were abducting Earth humans before the US military even existed. Also, when I was in the underground base, the Grays were not actually working side by side with the military but had their own areas and were performing tasks entirely unrelated to military activities. They did, however, necessarily interface to a certain extent. You would have known this is had you bothered to read my account of these abductions in THE EYE OF RA.

What I have observed on forums is that they are proliferated with arm chair philosopher know-it-alls who come to decisions based on little or no information or disinformation or pure speculation and absolutely no direct experience and try to present themselves as some sort of authority on the subject and attempt to debunk people like me who have had direct experience.

There are also people from the "military intelligence" (now there's an oxymoron) who enter forums in order to debunk abductees and try to get people not to take them seriously.

Bsbray, I do not know which category you fit in but I would recommend that you read the forum rules and try to restrain yourself from attacking or debunking experiencers personally.

Please be advised that I have reported your post as not conforming to the spirit and intent of this forum.

[Elainie]

Just because I've seen Grays working with the military doesn't mean the military created them. This is not a logical conclusion.

Have you even read my books? I've had many experiences with Grays over thousands of years, which I have documented. They were abducting Earth humans before the US military even existed. Also, when I was in the underground base, the Grays were not actually working side by side with the military but had their own areas and were performing tasks entirely unrelated to military activities. They did, however, necessarily interface to a certain extent. You would have known this is had you bothered to read my account of these abductions in THE EYE OF RA.

What I have observed on forums is that they are proliferated with arm chair philosopher know-it-alls who come to decisions based on little or no information or disinformation or pure speculation and absolutely no direct experience and try to present themselves as some sort of authority on the subject and attempt to debunk people like me who have had direct experience.



Me too. Been in underground bases (it's very obvious when you've been taken underground BTW) and seen them alongside military personnel. When I was little the first portion of some abductions were solely done by people in uniform so I don't buy the whole reabduction by military scenario. With me it was nearly always a joint effort. I think people like to claim fact when truth is we do not know exactly what facts are. I do not consider any of this friendly (there is nothing friendly about military personal nor greys showing up at the end of you bed, then placing you into a paralysis) it is terrifying. I still remain objective about what is truly taking place but from my own accounts it feels very real (as if it takes place in real life time- not holographics).

[Mari]

I remember when I was first initiated to the ET reality on earth and had plenty of interactions with small Greys, tall Greys, and other Greys. I was astounded that so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone who searched such.

Ah, but this is the point now isn't it? "so much on the internet was true freely available to anyone..." But how does one know which is truth? Possibly you believe you know which is which because of your experience. But those without or with a different experience are still trying to sort through the the sandbox looking for the sugar.
Then, people who search and find conflicting reports have to try to judge, for there is nothing left, who is telling the truth and who isn't? Who has the most believable stories or those that seem to resonate with us? It's all been turned into a witches brew of truth and deception. I've noticed sometimes interviews with those who many would see as rather mad or crazy with their stories, but that is but perception. Others are Moms and Pops with normal lives turned upside down so possibly they are more believable.
This my friends is why the frustration mounts and people cry out for disclosure because they can't sort the sugar from the sand. Then the great danger appears... if they come.... if they reveal....if the government fesses up.... can we believe them? Hard questions...........hard times...............[/QUOTE]


Yeah, & to think that most of us on this planet signed up to be here & take part in this 'Boot Camp' of 'exciting times'. To practice 'Discernment' is the answer I usually get from my gut when I ask for the umpteenth time what my 'learning goals' are this time around. Everything I came up with previously doesn't resonate as much as this one. I have a tough time with this 'discerning' malarky.:confused:

[Maia Gabrial]

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

Look at all the supposed enemies we have in other countries. And it seems it's now in America, too.... The heads at the Pentagon create an enemy where there wasn't one, so they can justify their existence and outrageous budgets.... So, it's no stretch of the imagination that ET's are fast becoming our enemies, too...

[Elainie]

Anyway, I've seen it before and it's a good interview. Greer doesn't say grays and reptilians aren't real. He basically says that the scary ETs are genetic creations of the US military and they're used as part of a psy-op to scare people into fearing and hating ETs so that a space war could be justified, along the lines of all the old religions that call for the end of the world. Also the military can bring in negative astral entities into a 3D form.

Look at all the supposed enemies we have in other countries. And it seems it's now in America, too.... The heads at the Pentagon create an enemy where there wasn't one, so they can justify their existence and outrageous budgets.... So, it's no stretch of the imagination that ET's are fast becoming our enemies, too...



They have been here far longer than we have. If you were a cow on a farm brought up to be slaughtered, wold you consider humans an enemy? Because obviously humans do not consider themselves an enemy of cattle. It's no different with those in charge of abductions (whether it is Nordics on charge, the Annunaki or Mantis doctors). Then they've got the whole recycling trap set (reincarnation). I do not consider this friendly in any way. It's a mind F**k.

[Flash]

I find your points interesting, and would enjoy if you expand on them, however:

1. We are a multiliingual, multicultural, worldwide forum. 1/3 to 1/2 of people here are not English speaking, their mothertongue is other (mine is French). When you cut the words as if you were texting, I get mixed up because my English grammar and English pronunciation is not strong enough to make up what you mean, and as mine are not bad, I just imagine what it can be for others.
So, please, can you write complet words (our for ur, or your for ur --= you see I am already mixed up with my own texting :facepalm:). Also using periods and comas help us better understand (I am breathless after reading your post lol).

2. is it possible to split your paragraphs for ease of reading - they are long and my eyes jump on the wrong sentences. Small paragraphs makes it much more user / reader friendly.

Thanks


Wow people im sure im going to get banned after this reply for my crappy spelling and grammer this is a reply of the crappy interview who cares if he says all ets r good if u believe that comment then ur just a fool but is it so hard to believe that good triumphs over evil in the universe? So maybe the good ets have way more power then bad ones? Maybe his comments r true about us not being able to explore very far because we r not a peaceful race perhaps they r only letting us stay close to earth so it doesnt stump r evolution obviously there is good and bad EVERYWHERE and if u believe otherwise then u r not in this universe anymore and I honestly think the reptilians and greys that we mostly have contact with r a product of are own creation I honestly think that the whole secrecy thing is a product of people just getting memorys erased then doing it to someone else so I think no one even has control of this monster anymore but who knows iv never been in touch with any ets I just know they r real so maybe I am wrong but if u believe foolish stories like the greys can travel the galaxy and they need r dna because there race is dying then just keep on beliveing that lol cuz even if that was true thats a one time.visit to earth and ur problem is fixed lol


And I havent followed him as a person but he is human very very few people can resist the temptation of stealing money and other stuff I dont know the details im just saying I think he has some of the most accurate information obviously besides the all ets r good come on people thats silly lol and it isnt something that is worth arguing over I posted this to see if anyone had any information of reptilians and greys being made I think people under estimate what humans r capable of by far ten years ago I had a friend who designed a engine that ran off water some how and was capable of hitting highspeeds just like a normal car and I believe gmc or someother big dog gave him like 3'million for the patten rights and it never exsisted after that and im sure he wasnt the first

As for your post as such, I had the same story told to me about people here in Québec inventing water base motors and been given a few millions to shut up. It is worldwide and it seems that now, everyone almost is able to build such a motor, they may run short of millions to give and have to let go the free energy stuff for all to use.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Just because I've seen Grays working with the military doesn't mean the military created them. This is not a logical conclusion.

Right, I agree with that. But of course it doesn't rule it out, either. So what I'm asking is what evidence can lead one to conclude, for sure, that the grays are an advanced ET race employing humans and not just a created droid race.

Simon Parkes says that the grays are just droids, Mark Richards refers to the grays as droids, Jim Sparks said that grays are created for use as "worker bees," etc. I've read lots of corroborating testimony to this effect.


Have you even read my books? I've had many experiences with Grays over thousands of years, which I have documented. They were abducting Earth humans before the US military even existed.

No, I have not read them, but I have examined the testimony of the three people I specifically mentioned above, which was also all reported as first-hand experience.


What I have observed on forums is that they are proliferated with arm chair philosopher know-it-alls who come to decisions based on little or no information or disinformation or pure speculation and absolutely no direct experience and try to present themselves as some sort of authority on the subject and attempt to debunk people like me who have had direct experience.

You mention philosophy, and that's all I'm trying to apply here. Logic is an offshoot of philosophy and it's familiar ground for me where ET experiences are not. I actually believe it's a good stand-in to analyze all of the contradictory information from various people. So I'm trying to apply logic. I'm not saying that the grays were created by the US military. I'm only asking what specific evidence makes you believe that they certainly were not.


Bsbray, I do not know which category you fit in but I would recommend that you read the forum rules and try to restrain yourself from attacking or debunking experiencers personally.

Please be advised that I have reported your post as not conforming to the spirit and intent of this forum.

I don't think asking questions qualifies as debunking. If you can't answer my questions for whatever reason then you can just say so and I can respect that. It's not a big deal.

[Snoweagle]

Dr Steven Greer: Reptilians and Greys aren't real - Absolutely agree

And now sixty (60) posts later, the thread is still discussing whether Dr Greer is wholly something else other than what he originally claimed to be. Amazing.

What may have originally been a genuine inquiry to formulate Disclosure seems now to have run its appropriate course in my opinion. Problem is, Dr Greer is stuck with that monocle whether he likes it or not. He will bear the burden of failure once the adoring believers finally see through the veil. He hasn't anything more than conjecture to fire interest so faces a bleak future.

The witnesses to abduction, the witnesses to sightings and the witnesses from institutions have nothing more than their own testimonies as evidence. There is no evidence that we can see, smell and touch. A grandiouse speculative yarn, fitting for the stage of a Shakespearean theatre. It sucks the crowds in.

Do I believe the witnesses. Yes I do. - I believe all these alien witnesses actually believe they are telling the truth but I do not believe it was an alien influence that propagated their thoughts or experiences. Science has had that capability for far too long in the hands of "man" to suggest extra terrestrial participation.

The witnesses who write books of their experiences, please keep writing though I can assure you I will not be reading them but thats me. The book itself with survive much longer than the author and will be subject to much historical scrutiny in the future. Maybe the aliens will read them too:-)

No money, no honey - as the saying goes. So no alien evidence, no interest.

Note: I do believe in the potential for life in the Cosmos. Do I believe they are here, dunno, don't care. I have also seen an UFO perform incredible feats of flying before flying off into space, yeh I know - how the hell would I be able to prove that! But I will state that flying object, whatever it was, I am imbued with the belief it wasn't "alien" but "ours". But thats me.

As far as I am concerned Dr Greer has run his course, he succeeded in sucking discernment from the global population, kept a major focus on his lack of progress, rallied everyone to him much to the chagrin of other "disclosers" and effectively kept the subject "bottled up" in one still closed package. (Compare NASA with Dr Greer in terms of accuracy and resolution).

[ulli]

Dr Steven Greer: Reptilians and Greys aren't real - Absolutely agree

And now sixty (60) posts later, the thread is still discussing whether Dr Greer is wholly something else other than what he originally claimed to be. Amazing.

What may have originally been a genuine inquiry to formulate Disclosure seems now to have run its appropriate course in my opinion. Problem is, Dr Greer is stuck with that monocle whether he likes it or not. He will bear the burden of failure once the adoring believers finally see through the veil. He hasn't anything more than conjecture to fire interest so faces a bleak future.

The witnesses to abduction, the witnesses to sightings and the witnesses from institutions have nothing more than their own testimonies as evidence. There is no evidence that we can see, smell and touch. A grandiouse speculative yarn, fitting for the stage of a Shakespearean theatre. It sucks the crowds in.

Do I believe the witnesses. Yes I do. - I believe all these alien witnesses actually believe they are telling the truth but I do not believe it was an alien influence that propagated their thoughts or experiences. Science has had that capability for far too long in the hands of "man" to suggest extra terrestrial participation.

The witnesses who write books of their experiences, please keep writing though I can assure you I will not be reading them but thats me. The book itself with survive much longer than the author and will be subject to much historical scrutiny in the future. Maybe the aliens will read them too:-)

No money, no honey - as the saying goes. So no alien evidence, no interest.

Note: I do believe in the potential for life in the Cosmos. Do I believe they are here, dunno, don't care. I have also seen an UFO perform incredible feats of flying before flying off into space, yeh I know - how the hell would I be able to prove that! But I will state that flying object, whatever it was, I am imbued with the belief it wasn't "alien" but "ours". But thats me.

As far as I am concerned Dr Greer has run his course, he succeeded in sucking discernment from the global population, kept a major focus on his lack of progress, rallied everyone to him much to the chagrin of other "disclosers" and effectively kept the subject "bottled up" in one still closed package. (Compare NASA with Dr Greer in terms of accuracy and resolution).

If his work bridged the gap of dimensions, and opened people's eyes to the reality of perception, of consciousness, where alienated people can see their inner aliens projected outwards, then it has some value.

And here we come close to what makes us all special, that we have the latent potentials, these hidden powers, to create our own reality. How the inner is directly connected to the outer.

If he needs people to meditate before showing them the night sky, so they can see that reality is a much bigger picture and mystery than they believed up to that point, then he is doing a service in my view. Ultimately it is about the self discovering their powers, and then the collective of humankind discovering it's place in the context of a vast multidimensional universe.
And that even though we have been in the nursery until now, we are all destined for greater stuff than our visiting aliens from out there can ever imagine.

But as long as we attribute every single researcher with deception we are still in need of checking why we are so 100% untrusting, when trust and distrust would be healthier if divided into a 50/50 paradigm.
Because we ourselves are creatures with a dual nature.

[Agape]

You know ..the difference between us and our brother skeptics is that some of us would never happen upon the idea of 'talking to aliens'

unless it was for 'aliens' talking to us first . Observe the prima causa .

That adds point plus on my rationality side btw not yours ..


:yo::sun:

[Snoweagle]

If his work bridged the gap of dimensions, and opened people's eyes to the reality of perception, of consciousness, where alienated people can see their inner aliens projected outwards, then it has some value.

And here we come close to what makes us all special, that we have the latent potentials, these hidden powers, to create our own reality. How the inner is directly connected to the outer.

If he needs people to meditate before showing them the night sky, so they can see that reality is a much bigger picture and mystery than they believed up to that point, then he is doing a service in my view. Ultimately it is about the self discovering their powers, and then the collective of humankind discovering it's place in the context of a vast multidimensional universe.
And that even though we have been in the nursery until now, we are all destined for greater stuff than our visiting aliens from out there can ever imagine.

But as long as we attribute every single researcher with deception we are still in need of checking why we are so 100% untrusting, when trust and distrust would be healthier if divided into a 50/50 paradigm.
Because we ourselves are creatures with a dual nature.

That's my point Ulli:-)

It is only by that desire, that spiritual inquiry that drives us to find that which we know is missing. We as a collective share a common goal and for most of us it still remains undefined, yet we engage our participation and focus regardless and selflessly. We want to know.

To this end, we turn our wishes and wills through whatever medium we have access, to ensure success in our search. It might have been Greer at the front or top of the group but only by our own engagement was he ever to be successful. And we percevered knowing the disclosure was going to be difficult. Now we know, the door is as much closed to Greer as it is to the rest of us.

It is this process of "our giving" to this unsuccessful venture that is of concern to me, as the more we persist, the more we ignore something else of greater value elsewhere. I do not want to use the term "waste of time" as that is incorrect and unfair for both Greer or his supporters, though I cherish realisation in considering we need a new modus operandi to drive any form of disclosure, if it indeed merits search. Currently we do not know.

Another important thing is "we wouldn't be having this conversation if things had worked out differently for disclosure".

When well meaning people raise their arms to the sky in quiet absolution, to whom do they give and from whom do they take?

[ulli]

If his work bridged the gap of dimensions, and opened people's eyes to the reality of perception, of consciousness, where alienated people can see their inner aliens projected outwards, then it has some value.

And here we come close to what makes us all special, that we have the latent potentials, these hidden powers, to create our own reality. How the inner is directly connected to the outer.

If he needs people to meditate before showing them the night sky, so they can see that reality is a much bigger picture and mystery than they believed up to that point, then he is doing a service in my view. Ultimately it is about the self discovering their powers, and then the collective of humankind discovering it's place in the context of a vast multidimensional universe.
And that even though we have been in the nursery until now, we are all destined for greater stuff than our visiting aliens from out there can ever imagine.

But as long as we attribute every single researcher with deception we are still in need of checking why we are so 100% untrusting, when trust and distrust would be healthier if divided into a 50/50 paradigm.
Because we ourselves are creatures with a dual nature.

That's my point Ulli:-)

It is only by that desire, that spiritual inquiry that drives us to find that which we know is missing. We as a collective share a common goal and for most of us it still remains undefined, yet we engage our participation and focus regardless and selflessly. We want to know.

To this end, we turn our wishes and wills through whatever medium we have access, to ensure success in our search. It might have been Greer at the front or top of the group but only by our own engagement was he ever to be successful. And we percevered knowing the disclosure was going to be difficult. Now we know, the door is as much closed to Greer as it is to the rest of us.

It is this process of "our giving" to this unsuccessful venture that is of concern to me, as the more we persist, the more we ignore something else of greater value elsewhere. I do not want to use the term "waste of time" as that is incorrect and unfair for both Greer or his supporters, though I cherish realisation in considering we need a new modus operandi to drive any form of disclosure, if it indeed merits search. Currently we do not know.

Another important thing is "we wouldn't be having this conversation if things had worked out differently for disclosure".

When well meaning people raise their arms to the sky in quiet absolution, to whom do they give and from whom do they take?

Hard to tell what is more important. Each one may have a different agenda,
and so each one is entitled to their independent manner of inquiry.
When I was younger I moved quickly through my hippie phase (1967 to 69) through a punk phase in the early seventies tho a yuppie phase in 1975, before embarking on the spiritual quest in 1977, then the metaphysical in 1979, and after a dozen years of childraising while reading astro charts in my spare time became an UFO investigator in 1994. Found out about Greer a bit later.

In the beginning each new phase meant a total rejection on my part of the earlier phases and the adherents who had gotten there late. It took me a while to recognize my arrogance.
But today I know that each phase had value, and even the deceivers who might have succeeded in tripping me up temporarily were important because without them I would never have had the conflict and confusion which catapulted me into becoming more discerning and develop a sharper intuition.

Such personal journeys are not to be hindered, and so who is to say what is really going on with the Greer's of this world.

[Peace of Mind]

Before I join this forum, I used to believe in aliens. But that belief was destroyed with all the failed predictions, hoax videos, unconfirmed testimonies, inconclusive/conflicting reports coming from dated and modern material, and the deafening silence and constant back tracking from whistle blowers, insiders, and contactees.
I still marvel and have fascinations with the cosmos (we all should), but I think it's healthier to reserve any beliefs until there is actually something there to consider...other than ideas presented in words.

Peace

[Tangri]

I do not care for ETs. They are maybe more advance than Humans but they are blind observers. They did not detect Terra's aliens and stayed neutral for centuries. For me, they are guilty(or responsible) as Terra's malevolence aliens, against human mass.

So I think Greer's point was, starting with an attitude like yours, what comes next?

I and Greer's starting attitude is completely different. I never overwhelmed by ET's interference.
Maybe as a background we(I and he) are same, but our intends are very very different. He was a naive individual at first but with nowadays attachments, he became something else.

I have some knowledge on so -called (so-believed) Terra's benign aliens which took me to see malevolence types' existence in this planet, as old inhabitants of Terra (You can call them Cabals, Elites, Elderly but those life forms are different than people on Cabal, Elder's teachings, those are servants)

When biological life cycle prolongs, ethics and logic jump to another step. Priorities change with life cycle duration, Try to compare priorities between butterflies and turtles. They have both survival instincts but their adaptation methods is very distinctive.

Difference between benign and malign Cabals ethics' and acts' affects get narrowed when Human's life, ethics and logics are on the table.
Like a tumor(tumours).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Thanks, Tangri. Can you elaborate a little more on how you went from being shown more negative ETs by the more positive ones (using negative/positive here for simplicity of discussion) to the subject of life cycles? Are you saying that the positive ETs generally have longer life cycles and that this is a big factor in their interactions with other races?

[Carmody]

I still don't understand why someone does not start up the 100,000 person march on area 51.

[turiya]

I still don't understand why someone does not start up the 100,000 person march on area 51.

They are quite experienced in dealing with the heard mentality - i.e. Cattle Mutilations!

[Sirius White]

LMAO.......poor guy.


Before I join this forum, I used to believe in aliens. But that belief was destroyed with all the failed predictions, hoax videos, unconfirmed testimonies, inconclusive/conflicting reports coming from dated and modern material, and the deafening silence and constant back tracking from whistle blowers, insiders, and contactees.
I still marvel and have fascinations with the cosmos (we all should), but I think it's healthier to reserve any beliefs until there is actually something there to consider...other than ideas presented in words.

Peace

Then "they" have succeeded.

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It is interesting at all the disbelievers in this thread. A sad state of affairs when the word "alien" turns them off and ignites the cognitive dissonance and tunnel vision bias due to the connotation of the word. I also don't blame them, considering the amount of BS and the lack of actual experience in said field.

No one ever thinks to open up the doorways of their biomind and interact with them gnosively, to coax them to come to you or establish a relationship. You are all solipsistic looking for some hard evidence with some material thing and do not even realize you are completely deceived by the limitation of your standard 5 sensory view of reality, which is but one tiny corner of what you are actually capable of sensing. Sorry, it's never going to happen. You have to come to them, not the other way around.

So either develop your senses to interact with them gnosively, or forget all about it.

[Tangri]

Thanks, Tangri. Can you elaborate a little more on how you went from being shown more negative ETs by the more positive ones (using negative/positive here for simplicity of discussion) to the subject of life cycles? Are you saying that the positive ETs generally have longer life cycles and that this is a big factor in their interactions with other races?

I will try, but I do not want to be a someone other than what I want to be.

Remember these are bed time stories and below wordings are a simple translation from my comprehension.

They were(are) not ETs, they are here for a long time and witnessed earliest inhabitants' departure(and probably a broken-hearted with that> my gut feeling)), with their nature ethics they can be diagnosed as a "Passive Aggressive living beings.( Lets call them, Positive beings) They are not action people. They accept everybody, or every belief is right unless they are not making noise or mess. All their efforts act like an inhibitor for negative beings(who believe , they are the management type livings).

Negative Beings think they kick out the earliest race's bad roots from Terra and they rebuilt new creatures for working race(gardener) because they are the righteous land lords in Terra and (I assume) they believe that bad roots keep trying to come back like a home sick travellers. They allow to visit well groomed seeds in this Botanical park(Terra) where they are bee-keeping.(this drawing shows that they are not so bad ,- I didn't like it( as a bee) but otherwise it would be a sided(bias) comment)