The fall of America

[zakkyD1302]

Hello all, I honestly feel like America does not have much longer I am thinking sometime before 2017 maybe im just a paranoid nut case but all the signs are there I have done alot of research on this subject and they basically created a cage and are just waiting to slam the front door I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of good places to go and maybe routes to take to get out of the country I live in az so luckily im close =] I have also heard panama Puerto Rico and chile would be good places to go im pretty much on foot lol so if anyone has any information to ad to this that would be awesome I dont think staying and fighting is going to be a good option to many people are not aware of whats happening

[Bluegreen]

I'm not going anywhere
I'm staying right here with my fellow good-hearted human beings
Enlightened or un it makes no difference
We will band together and win
Because in my experience the bad guys always lose
I will see this happen or die trying
I PROMISE

[zakkyD1302]

Running to fight another day isnt the same as dying a pointless death cuz trust me I am by no means a runner but I like to think im very stratigic as im 4th generation of high ranking marines. I think the first wave of rounding up patriots is going to be pretty bad is all im saying I dont think people r going to even have much of a fighting chance until it levels out and just so u know if martial law happens u really have less then 24 hours to.get out of the country but I agree they are under estimating the free spirit of the american person americans are EVERYWHERE!

[wnlight]

"fighting chance", "band together", "bad guys always lose" ?
Just remember that TPTB are very ready for ANY violence. I keep telling my sons that. Only through peace and love will Americans persevere. However, history shows us that many have died in peace movements also. I will be here in Cuenca, Ecuador, to return to the USA once Americans regain their bravery and reject TPTB to regain their freedoms that they have given away in fear.

Find a quiet spot far from any TV or computer and re-read the Declaration of Independence. Do not download it because 'they' will put your name on their FEMA camp lists. See how many points in the declaration apply today. Go to the Thomas Jefferson memorial and read the inscriptions in stone there. But DO NOT let the police get a good photo of your face while there.

Do not let fear rule your life, but it is smart to take precautions.

[Bluegreen]

As every General knows the first volley over the wall is written off
And whatever you do zakkyD1302 don't thank me
;)

[zakkyD1302]

"fighting chance", "band together", "bad guys always lose" ?
Just remember that TPTB are very ready for ANY violence. I keep telling my sons that. Only through peace and love will Americans persevere. However, history shows us that many have died in peace movements also. I will be here in Cuenca, Ecuador, to return to the USA once Americans regain their bravery and reject TPTB to regain their freedoms that they have given away in fear.

Find a quiet spot far from any TV or computer and re-read the Declaration of Independence. Do not download it because 'they' will put your name on their FEMA camp lists. See how many points in the declaration apply today. Go to the Thomas Jefferson memorial and read the inscriptions in stone there. But DO NOT let the police get a good photo of your face while there.

Do not let fear rule your life, but it is smart to take precautions.

I totally agree Iv been saying the only chance america has it to win this through peace going out protesting taking are rights back but they have the sheep well trained its sad but I think america died with all the greats back in the day jfk martin luther king malcom x ect. They all were very good at rallying the people to get out and do something which is why they were a target

[grannyfranny100]

What you have done to save our country?

[zakkyD1302]

What you have done to save our country?
This is the most moron remark I have ever heard and if u must know im a hotshot and spend all summer long saving my country's land and have woke up in the medics tent twice from smoke inhalation and was suppose to be on the crew of 19 that passed away but instead someone was watching out for me and had me switched so instead I worked next to them while they all died so just go bang ur retarded head on a wall

[Bluegreen]

zak
I come from a military family
Thank you for your service

[ghostrider]

for what it's worth , the Plejaren say America will no longer be a country and be in total chaos by 2020 ... it is predicted we will have two civil wars the second one shortly after the first and the nation will be divided up into five sectors ... religion will play a major role ... Henoch predicted the U.S. will suffer a terrible catastrophe , one that has never happened in the history of Earth , one should avoid the coastlines and move to higher ground/ the mountains ... it's up to each individual , to gain their own perspective on the situation ... time to dig in, chin up , keep a prepaired mind , be flexible , and don't over react , learn to solve problems ...know that humanity shines when things are at their worst ... the bigger the trouble , the harder we work , when the storm comes , working together , we can overcome anything ... it's all in how you choose to view it ...

[grannyfranny100]

zakkyD1302 . I apologize. I was rude and judgmental.

[zakkyD1302]

for what it's worth , the Plejaren say America will no longer be a country and be in total chaos by 2020 ... it is predicted we will have two civil wars the second one shortly after the first and the nation will be divided up into five sectors ... religion will play a major role ... Henoch predicted the U.S. will suffer a terrible catastrophe , one that has never happened in the history of Earth , one should avoid the coastlines and move to higher ground/ the mountains ... it's up to each individual , to gain their own perspective on the situation ... time to dig in, chin up , keep a prepaired mind , be flexible , and don't over react , learn to solve problems ...know that humanity shines when things are at their worst ... the bigger the trouble , the harder we work , when the storm comes , working together , we can overcome anything ... it's all in how you choose to view it ...

Thats very interesting how did you obtain this information?

[Bill Ryan]

...and was suppose to be on the crew of 19 that passed away

Can you say more?

[ghostrider]

for what it's worth , the Plejaren say America will no longer be a country and be in total chaos by 2020 ... it is predicted we will have two civil wars the second one shortly after the first and the nation will be divided up into five sectors ... religion will play a major role ... Henoch predicted the U.S. will suffer a terrible catastrophe , one that has never happened in the history of Earth , one should avoid the coastlines and move to higher ground/ the mountains ... it's up to each individual , to gain their own perspective on the situation ... time to dig in, chin up , keep a prepaired mind , be flexible , and don't over react , learn to solve problems ...know that humanity shines when things are at their worst ... the bigger the trouble , the harder we work , when the storm comes , working together , we can overcome anything ... it's all in how you choose to view it ...

Thats very interesting how did you obtain this information?

Henoch predicted it 8,000 years ago , also the plejaren Quetzal gave it again in 1958 , and in the 1980's , pieces of it are written in Revelations , Isaiah , Jeremiah ,and Michael Horn's website and radio shows , and Edward's contact notes with the plejaren ... it very lengthy reading but so much detailed information about the future , it just takes a lot of reading ... there is over 26,000 pages of notes from conversations with the plejaren for the last 72 years ...

[ghostrider]

for what it's worth , the Plejaren say America will no longer be a country and be in total chaos by 2020 ... it is predicted we will have two civil wars the second one shortly after the first and the nation will be divided up into five sectors ... religion will play a major role ... Henoch predicted the U.S. will suffer a terrible catastrophe , one that has never happened in the history of Earth , one should avoid the coastlines and move to higher ground/ the mountains ... it's up to each individual , to gain their own perspective on the situation ... time to dig in, chin up , keep a prepaired mind , be flexible , and don't over react , learn to solve problems ...know that humanity shines when things are at their worst ... the bigger the trouble , the harder we work , when the storm comes , working together , we can overcome anything ... it's all in how you choose to view it ...

Thats very interesting how did you obtain this information?

Henoch predicted it 8,000 years ago , also the plejaren Quetzal gave it again in 1958 , and in the 1980's , pieces of it are written in Revelations , Isaiah , Jeremiah ,and Michael Horn's website and radio shows , and Edward's contact notes with the plejaren ... it very lengthy reading but so much detailed information about the future , it just takes a lot of reading ... there is over 26,000 pages of notes from conversations with the plejaren for the last 72 years ...
scroll to line 146
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Henoch_Prophecies

[zakkyD1302]

...and was suppose to be on the crew of 19 that passed away

Can you say more?

What do u mean can I say more? Thats kinda the reason I started looking into all of this I took a picture of where they died the very next morning so not even 12 hours later and there was this huge white orb in the picture and it was not a glare from the sun or anything like that. I showed it to my boss at the time ( which I did not even notice the white orb ) when I showed it to him he was like whats that orb and I was like wow I dont know and he said white is suppose to be pure souls or something im not sure if thats true or not I was actually going to share the picture on here to get some feed back but I havent been able to find the picture but when I was researching that stuff thats how I actually found this website

[Bill Ryan]

...and was suppose to be on the crew of 19 that passed away

Can you say more?

What do u mean can I say more? Thats kinda the reason I started looking into all of this I took a picture of where they died the very next morning so not even 12 hours later and there was this huge white orb in the picture and it was not a glare from the sun or anything like that. I showed it to my boss at the time ( which I did not even notice the white orb ) when I showed it to him he was like whats that orb and I was like wow I dont know and he said white is suppose to be pure souls or something im not sure if thats true or not I was actually going to share the picture on here to get some feed back but I havent been able to find the picture but when I was researching that stuff thats how I actually found this website

I mean: which crew of 19 are you referring to, that died, and that you were nearly part of?

[zakkyD1302]

...and was suppose to be on the crew of 19 that passed away

Can you say more?

What do u mean can I say more? Thats kinda the reason I started looking into all of this I took a picture of where they died the very next morning so not even 12 hours later and there was this huge white orb in the picture and it was not a glare from the sun or anything like that. I showed it to my boss at the time ( which I did not even notice the white orb ) when I showed it to him he was like whats that orb and I was like wow I dont know and he said white is suppose to be pure souls or something im not sure if thats true or not I was actually going to share the picture on here to get some feed back but I havent been able to find the picture but when I was researching that stuff thats how I actually found this website

I mean: which crew of 19 are you referring to, that died, and that you were nearly part of?

Yarnell presscott hotshots

[ThePythonicCow]

Yarnell presscott hotshots
Would that be this incident: Marine Veterans Among 19 Firefighters Killed (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/07/24/marine-veterans-among-19-firefighters-killed.html) ?

[zakkyD1302]

Yes, thats the one

[zakkyD1302]

for what it's worth , the Plejaren say America will no longer be a country and be in total chaos by 2020 ... it is predicted we will have two civil wars the second one shortly after the first and the nation will be divided up into five sectors ... religion will play a major role ... Henoch predicted the U.S. will suffer a terrible catastrophe , one that has never happened in the history of Earth , one should avoid the coastlines and move to higher ground/ the mountains ... it's up to each individual , to gain their own perspective on the situation ... time to dig in, chin up , keep a prepaired mind , be flexible , and don't over react , learn to solve problems ...know that humanity shines when things are at their worst ... the bigger the trouble , the harder we work , when the storm comes , working together , we can overcome anything ... it's all in how you choose to view it ...

Thats very interesting how did you obtain this information?

Henoch predicted it 8,000 years ago , also the plejaren Quetzal gave it again in 1958 , and in the 1980's , pieces of it are written in Revelations , Isaiah , Jeremiah ,and Michael Horn's website and radio shows , and Edward's contact notes with the plejaren ... it very lengthy reading but so much detailed information about the future , it just takes a lot of reading ... there is over 26,000 pages of notes from conversations with the plejaren for the last 72 years ...
scroll to line 146
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Henoch_Prophecies

Thanks for sharing that im watching a youtube interview on him now, his story is quite amazing

[Billy]

Thats kinda the reason I started looking into all of this I took a picture of where they died the very next morning so not even 12 hours later and there was this huge white orb in the picture and it was not a glare from the sun or anything like that. I showed it to my boss at the time ( which I did not even notice the white orb ) when I showed it to him he was like whats that orb and I was like wow I dont know and he said white is suppose to be pure souls or something im not sure if thats true or not I was actually going to share the picture on here to get some feed back but I havent been able to find the picture but when I was researching that stuff thats how I actually found this website

I had my first experience with orbs just last year. If you can find the picture of the orb that inspired you to join Avalon, i would love to see it,
Was it a cellphone or a camera that you took the photo from?

[zakkyD1302]

It was a cellphone, but I have a phone with a camera on it thats better then most regular cameras. Me and my old boss kind of had a falling out but I can ask him if he still has it I hope . Cross fingers :)

[Gatita]

I'm sorry for the loss of your fellow hot shots zak. Thank you for your service.

Cat

[Mandala]

Zakky, we need more good people like you.

[Snowflower]

This is the link I want to share of Grandfather Stalking Wolf's vision of the four signs of the impending calamity going to destroy earth's civilization, written by his adopted grandson, Tom Brown Jr.:

http://www.leyline.org/~ghn/prophecies.html

I have a very different viewpoint on the whole question about "leaving." First, I agree that this country will no longer exist as the USA. But, the land will remain. It isn't going to get bombed out of existence. However, leaving these borders won't solve any problems because there is no place to run to. The entire planet is in chaos and will get a whole lot worse before this is over.

I started reading books written by Tom Brown Jr. way back in the 80's. His adopted Apache grandfather had many visions during his life, but the one I'm going to share had the most profound influence on my life. Your solution, Zakky, most certainly does involve walking, but not "out." Instead, walk "in."

Here's a summary of the four signs but I cannot summarize with the depth written by Tom Brown, so if you want to see the power in this vision, then it's a must read. The first sign is a disease spread by monkeys, sex, and blood. Also at the same time, people starving in a desert type setting, that comes to the attention of the entire world. This sign has been fulfilled with the AIDS virus and the starvation of the people of Ethiopia. The second sign is "holes in the sky." This sign has been fulfilled with holes in the ozone layer.

The third sign has not yet happened. It is that the sky will turn red for days and nights. I notice that it has happened over a city in China for only one day, and suspect it is going to happen very soon for the entire planet. It is when this sign happens that there is no turning back from the dreadful destruction of all. With my rational mind, trying to figure out how this is possible, I suspect that we are likely to have a comet buzz past with a long tail of red dust that catches the earth. It has happened before. Every time the magnetic poles have flipped, there have been three layers of new earth (becoming rock) dividing old fossils from new: a black layer of coal, a red layer, and a layer of volcanic ash. They are planet wide.

The fourth sign was ten years of destruction, chaos, killing, cannibalism, terror, horror. Stalking Wolf said we would have four seasons of time between the third sign and the beginning of the fourth. The warning he gave us was that only the "children of the earth" will survive. We must walk into the wilderness and remain away from civilization for the entire ten years. Anyone returning in curiosity to see what was happening would die.

So, my suggestion to you is to read the link above and begin preparation now for the moment when you walk into the wilderness offered to you in Arizona. If you could be part of a small group, you are more likely to make it. And, by the way, Stalking Wolf was somewhere in that area of the country when he had the vision.

[zakkyD1302]

This is the link I want to share of Grandfather Stalking Wolf's vision of the four signs of the impending calamity going to destroy earth's civilization, written by his adopted grandson, Tom Brown Jr.:

http://www.leyline.org/~ghn/prophecies.html

I have a very different viewpoint on the whole question about "leaving." First, I agree that this country will no longer exist as the USA. But, the land will remain. It isn't going to get bombed out of existence. However, leaving these borders won't solve any problems because there is no place to run to. The entire planet is in chaos and will get a whole lot worse before this is over.

I started reading books written by Tom Brown Jr. way back in the 80's. His adopted Apache grandfather had many visions during his life, but the one I'm going to share had the most profound influence on my life. Your solution, Zakky, most certainly does involve walking, but not "out." Instead, walk "in."

Here's a summary of the four signs but I cannot summarize with the depth written by Tom Brown, so if you want to see the power in this vision, then it's a must read. The first sign is a disease spread by monkeys, sex, and blood. Also at the same time, people starving in a desert type setting, that comes to the attention of the entire world. This sign has been fulfilled with the AIDS virus and the starvation of the people of Ethiopia. The second sign is "holes in the sky." This sign has been fulfilled with holes in the ozone layer.

The third sign has not yet happened. It is that the sky will turn red for days and nights. I notice that it has happened over a city in China for only one day, and suspect it is going to happen very soon for the entire planet. It is when this sign happens that there is no turning back from the dreadful destruction of all. With my rational mind, trying to figure out how this is possible, I suspect that we are likely to have a comet buzz past with a long tail of red dust that catches the earth. It has happened before. Every time the magnetic poles have flipped, there have been three layers of new earth (becoming rock) dividing old fossils from new: a black layer of coal, a red layer, and a layer of volcanic ash. They are planet wide.

The fourth sign was ten years of destruction, chaos, killing, cannibalism, terror, horror. Stalking Wolf said we would have four seasons of time between the third sign and the beginning of the fourth. The warning he gave us was that only the "children of the earth" will survive. We must walk into the wilderness and remain away from civilization for the entire ten years. Anyone returning in curiosity to see what was happening would die.

So, my suggestion to you is to read the link above and begin preparation now for the moment when you walk into the wilderness offered to you in Arizona. If you could be part of a small group, you are more likely to make it. And, by the way, Stalking Wolf was somewhere in that area of the country when he had the vision.

Thats very interesting but the red sky sounds more like a volcanic eruption in my opinion if u look back eruptions that people ha e described scenerios similar to that and I guess we are past due on a couple of super.volcano eruptions

[Morbid]

I'm not going anywhere
I'm staying right here with my fellow good-hearted human beings
Enlightened or un it makes no difference
We will band together and win
Because in my experience the bad guys always lose
I will see this happen or die trying
I PROMISE

the funny thing is that everybody fighting in US will be fighting the 'bad guys'.

[wnlight]

Last year I posted a map with the USA nearly split in two by a large inland see connected to the gulf. That kind of Earth change will occur over many parts of the globe in the year 2020. There will also be new land rising. It might be very bad for people along the coastlines then. There will be many volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunami preceding the changes. My source is via meditation and can be considered unreliable. But there is a test. There is a precursor event to occur in 2018 and if it happens, will lend some credence to all the rest. The 2018 event is the destruction of northern Japan that will make Fukushima look small. Many geologists in Japan are expecting this to happen, but not for a 100 years. I have known about these events for over three years, now. I keep asking in meditation if this prediction might just fade away or the date might, hopefully, be off by a few centuries. But no. It will be upon us in a few years. The message in my meditations is constant. Add to that there are many who now predict a 30 year mini ice age about the same time. Yes, life will be hard in North America. The USA will be much changed physically, socially and spiritually.

BTW, when the USA stumbles, the breakaway civilisation will continue as strong as ever.

[Bluegreen]

It was a cellphone, but I have a phone with a camera on it thats better then most regular cameras. Me and my old boss kind of had a falling out but I can ask him if he still has it I hope . Cross fingers :)
I seem to recall SamWiseTheBrave aka Robin when he was talking about comparing so-called extradimensional entities with music that they could show themselves if they wanted to and I think he specifically mentioned orbs maybe cuz that's what easiest for them or that's what it looks like to us when they decide to do it?

[zakkyD1302]

Zakky, we need more good people like you.

Thank you very much means alot some people care.