Alien Supercivilizations (Type III) discussion

[Shadowself]

I ran into an article which was posted recently and I saw the most unusual thing about it as a distinct possibility.

Check out the article first:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/alien-supercivilizations-absent-from-100-000-nearby-galaxies/?WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20150417

Opinions of the author of the article taken into consideration as his own....it brought about the most interesting next step in a bit of research:

TYPE III DYSON SPHERE OF HIGHLY ADVANCED
CIVILIZATIONS AROUND A SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1112/1112.5519.pdf

Check the image at the bottom here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/dwp4s3.jpg

Now check this ancient site in Bolivia:

http://i59.tinypic.com/okaouv.jpg

Sorry for the overly large images first of all and perhaps it's just a coincidence that it looks very much like the image from the paper I just posted....but I've posted this elsewhere but will add it again here as this concept of infrared is quite interesting regarding the article just posted and why radio communication from SETI and the possibilities of this seem to be of interest to me personally:



From the Coffin Texts:


The peripheral surface of a black hole is an Event Horizon.

If you fall into the black hole you will get crushed.

Egyptian: Second death.

If approached from the inner horizon or the axis of the black hole or the north
pole, the gravitational repulsion of the central singularity slows the entity
down, turning it around, and accelerating it back out through the inner horizon of a
white hole. Put simply, the space axis and time axis exchange places when one crosses
the outer event horizon, and the future becomes an unavoidable place in
time or the crushing singularity. Crossing the inner event horizon, time and space resume their normal axes, making the singularity an avoidable place in space, while allowing access to the past singularity of the white hole. Ultimately, one goes through four horizons

~
Egyptians referred to as the opening of mouths four times. The Opening of the
Mouth ceremony parallels the movement of the Deceased through four horizons.


According to scientific speculations, inside a spinning black hole, the act
of looking backward would allow one to see a white hole or the past singularity.
Since a white hole is a black hole running backward in time, the Negative
Confession of the Book of the Dead describes deities:

"Who come forth backwards".

"He whose Face is behind him who came forth from his hole".

The inner horizon, radiation is blueshifted as it accumulates.

Field of Turquoise and the Blue One, Lake of Turquoise,
traveling with turquoise, Lord of Turquoise, and open door of the blue sky.

Indicates blueshift or the high frequency light associated with
approaching radiation.

In contrast, radiation moving away from the observer appears redshifted.
The Dead King observes:

he who departs is red and smeared

"N" has gone up in the red hour.

According to Holographic principal: All Information about the black hole is stored on the horizon....The peripheral!

Particles living on the horizon boundary describe objects in the interior.



If what I have just proposed is correct then this ancient culture must certainly KNOW the landscape of space and time with great detail to know the redshift and blueshift attributes.

Dead Kings escapes the black hole Netherworld associated with
uraei shedding "light by means of their radiance (which cometh) from their mouths"

or uraei pouring fire from their mouths:

The mouths of a wormhole are analogous to the holes at either end of the tube in a 2D plane...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

a quantum parallel exists between the transformed Deceased and Hawking radiance in the bulk, proposing the existence of large extra dimensions in small black holes.

The Dead King is a horizon dweller: has a
seat in the horizon, and takes possession of the horizon

so that those who are in the horizon may live for this spirit

"My power is in the horizon"

~The Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts - R.O. Faulkner ~

Here is a link to the paper written from the article:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.03418v2.pdf

And more information on the Dyson Sphere here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

[Shadowself]

One more thing to take into account in recent developments is this:

Milky Way's Monster Black Hole Unleashes Record-Breaking X-ray Flare

http://www.space.com/28193-monster-black-hole-largest-flare-ever.html

(Be sure to watch the video attached to the article)

Makes one wonder.

I thought about the way Atlantis was supposed to be pictured and it really made me wonder...

https://img-rp.vhd.me/4774187_l2.jpg

[wnlight]

Shadowself, you present much to ponder. I think that physicist Freeman Dyson made a human-centric error in his postulate that a growing technological culture would ultimately be limited by access to energy. Advanced civilisations likely have much simpler, easier and less obvious sources of the massive energy that they use.

[Shadowself]

Shadowself, you present much to ponder. I think that physicist Freeman Dyson made a human-centric error in his postulate that a growing technological culture would ultimately be limited by access to energy. Advanced civilisations likely have much simpler, easier and less obvious sources of the massive energy that they use.


I agree....they would probably have a much simpler easier and less obvious source of energy. But enough to create and maintain a wormhole (system technology) from galaxy to galaxy is something all together different. Which is where I think this source would be used in part. The Idea in the provided PDF is expanded from his original concept as well.

[Agape]

They're actually rather correct in that there are not many advanced civilisations in these 'quarters' of the Universe though there are other such 'quarters' and clusters of galaxies elsewhere that are more densely inhabited .

I think , some of their concepts on how does Universe evolve , in various ways , at different parts are half baked ..incomplete .. so them too are subject to evolution.

Most of the ancient advanced civilisations in Space originated in areas - or surrounding such areas - that are extremely stable in terms of time-space continuum ,

they are formed mostly around massive super giant class of Stars with very stable orbits where all from light frequency to gravity pull is distributed in very smooth manner ,

we think that behind these regions there are sorts of 'super-space' territories , power centres of Universe where time-space is so densely structured and organised that it virtually 'stands still' .

These Stars are of course , very far away from here , perhaps on the very edge of visible spectrum ..

and the Space in between also presents many challenges .


This part of Space where we find ourselves now is relatively young and fast developing , with many anomalies , cataclysms and hiccups . It's a rough ride for survival for any intelligent species ..


:sun::Party:

[Shadowself]

Most of the ancient advanced civilisations in Space originated in areas - or surrounding such areas - that are extremely stable in terms of time-space continuum,

they are formed mostly around massive super giant class of Stars...

You mean like Aldebaran? An orange giant star? Located in the constellation of Taurus...and has direct "line of sight" between the Pleiades, or "Seven Sisters" star cluster in the night sky , Orion's belt and Sirius?

Also aptly named "Alpha Tau" possibly meaning "beginning time".

(Alpha: the noun "alpha" is used as a synonym for "beginning", or "first" (in a series), reflecting its Greek roots.)

(Tau: meaning proper time in relativity)

http://i42.tinypic.com/m928nb.jpg

Copy that! :thumbsup:

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[Flash]

They're actually rather correct in that there are not many advanced civilisations in these 'quarters' of the Universe though there are other such 'quarters' and clusters of galaxies elsewhere that are more densely inhabited .

I think , some of their concepts on how does Universe evolve , in various ways , at different parts are half baked ..incomplete .. so them too are subject to evolution.

Most of the ancient advanced civilisations in Space originated in areas - or surrounding such areas - that are extremely stable in terms of time-space continuum ,

they are formed mostly around massive super giant class of Stars with very stable orbits where all from light frequency to gravity pull is distributed in very smooth manner ,

we think that behind these regions there are sorts of 'super-space' territories , power centres of Universe where time-space is so densely structured and organised that it virtually 'stands still' .

These Stars are of course , very far away from here , perhaps on the very edge of visible spectrum ..

and the Space in between also presents many challenges .


This part of Space where we find ourselves now is relatively young and fast developing , with many anomalies , cataclysms and hiccups . It's a rough ride for survival for any intelligent species ..


:sun::Party:

Who are the WE, Agape?

Rough ride for an intelligent specie to survive, does this means that we have about no chance. And why would we have develop on such a region then? What is the overall plan to give a rough ride and about no possibilities to a specie, isn't it a waste of the Universe life creating efforts?

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As for the energy requirements of a state IIi civilisation (which I think we cannot even start to understand, much less to speculate on), I do think that what we may think is very actual human centric.

In other words, I do think that they would need less energy to accomplish billions times more than what we actually do. Circling a sun or encapsulating it is, in my view, ludicrous and ridiculous.

[Shadowself]

Circling a sun or encapsulating it is, in my view, ludicrous and ridiculous

Why is it ludicrous and ridiculous?

[Flash]

Circling a sun or encapsulating it is, in my view, ludicrous and ridiculous

Why is it ludicrous and ridiculous?

Because this kind of energy is necessary only to 3D low level development beings. Further you go, I bet that less energy you use to get the same results, for one. Second, the mecanisms of energetic exchange with the universe must be completely different than what we can ever imagine. For example, free energy could be available right now on earth for all its résidents if we were not stopped from it, no need to encircle a sun for it, it is right there, in the immediate space around us. And this is with today's scientific understanding. Imagine in aons of time of development. We just cannot imagine it yet.

[Shadowself]

Circling a sun or encapsulating it is, in my view, ludicrous and ridiculous

Why is it ludicrous and ridiculous?

Because this kind of energy is necessary only to 3D low level development beings. Further you go, I bet that less energy you use to get the same results, for one. Second, the mecanisms of energetic exchange with the universe must be completely different than what we can ever imagine. For example, free energy could be available right now on earth for all its résidents if we were not stopped from it, no need to encircle a sun for it, it is right there, in the immediate space around us. And this is with today's scientific understanding. Imagine in aons of time of development. We just cannot imagine it yet.

Interesting view and I would agree in some respects. But we're talking about a "type III" and it sounds like you're referring to (correct me if I'm wrong) a Microdimensional Mastery Civilization of a "type Omega" listed here:

Abilities to manipulate their environment over increasingly smaller dimensions rather than increasingly larger ones, reverses the classification downward from Type Ⅰ-minus to Type Omega-minus:

Type Ⅰ-minus is capable of manipulating objects over the scale of themselves: building structures, mining, joining and breaking solids;
Type Ⅱ-minus is capable of manipulating genes and altering the development of living things, transplanting or replacing parts of themselves, reading and engineering their genetic code;
Type Ⅲ-minus is capable of manipulating molecules and molecular bonds, creating new materials;
Type Ⅳ-minus is capable of manipulating individual atoms, creating nanotechnologies on the atomic scale and creating complex forms of artificial life;
Type Ⅴ-minus is capable of manipulating the atomic nucleus and engineering the nucleons that compose it;
Type ⅤI-minus is capable of manipulating the most elementary particles of matter (quarks and leptons) to create organized complexity among populations of elementary particles; culminating in.
Type Omega-minus is capable of manipulating the basic structure of space and time


But in that sense utilizing a black hole in the sense I utilized would that not be the same thing? I of course am not referring to the mechanics Dyson used... but the structural premise no? At least that was where I was leaning. It might be quit simple to adhere a ring around a black hole with those kind of capabilities ( manipulating the basic structure of space and time) and of course that would assume various other courses of energetic availabilities.

Type III are described and suggested as this:


Type III civilizations might use the same techniques employed by a Type II civilization, but applied to all possible stars of one or more galaxies individually.

They may also be able to tap into the energy released from the supermassive black holes which are believed to exist at the center of most galaxies.
White holes, if they exist, theoretically could provide large amounts of energy from collecting the matter propelling outwards.
Capturing the energy of gamma-ray bursts is another theoretically possible power source for a highly advanced civilization.
The emissions from quasars can be readily compared to those of small active galaxies and could provide a massive power source if collectable.


~

Type I civilization has spread across its planet.

Type II has extensive colonies in its respective stellar system

Type III has colonized its galaxy

Thus if one is a Type Omega it may be quite simple to encapsulate a star or black hole.

[Flash]

I am looking at it Under a type III civilisation, but my description, if I could have one, would probably be very different from yours here.

Your description seems to be based on our actual type zero going toward type I civilisation and yet, we are starting at type I to have those nanotechnologies etc. To me, what you describe is all type I. No type II or type III here, except maybe for being throughout the galaxy at type III. But towards our own local systems, type I would get it.

We won't reach type III or can't imagine it because of brains and mostly our inner developtment, that we could call spiritual, is not even in the picture yet, as a race (human race). You cannot reach type II and III without it, in my views. And once you have those other kinds of development, we stop thinking technologies altogether and talk about direct use and mingling with universal énergies.

This is my views, they may be wrong... or right, it does not matter. What matters is surviving as a specie in order to reach type I civilisation with all humans alive and healthy, no hiding, no secrecy, no power games.

The only survival we have is through development of the heart with development of the brain, not the other way around, otherwise we go crazy and destroy ourselves. We have to learn to love and to cooperate in a loving manner for all of us.

[Shadowself]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to confuse. And I do agree in part with you as I said. Survival is of utmost importance I agree as well.

[Agape]

You mean like Aldebaran? An orange giant star? Located in the constellation of Taurus...and has direct "line of sight" between the Pleiades, or "Seven Sisters" star cluster in the night sky , Orion's belt and Sirius?

Also aptly named "Alpha Tau" possibly meaning "beginning time".

(Alpha: the noun "alpha" is used as a synonym for "beginning", or "first" (in a series), reflecting its Greek roots.)

(Tau: meaning proper time in relativity)

http://i42.tinypic.com/m928nb.jpg


To compare to something I check this Betelgeuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse) as one of the brightest visible stars in Orion and this brief article about star classification : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classificationseems to confirm that it would be M2 class orange-red spectrum giant .


Our mother star would be more likely in N2 category , times bigger and cooler . There are still bigger 'blue giant' stars that fall to the P class - unless it's reserved for pulsars .

There were about 12 of these giant stars in constellation ..whose far ends were rather invisible to ourselves .

:star: