Do you want to live for ever? Maybe you can!!!!!

[Pam]

Here is some food for thought. According to this information every cell in the body has an immortality gene that allows it to live definitely. Apparently in the very near future we will be able to turn on this gene expression by taking 4 injections a year. Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?






How Billionaires Are Buying Immortality

By MONEY MORNING STAFF REPORTS - 4/19/2015

Peter Thiel, a venture capitalist, hedge fund manager, and founder of Paypal isn't satisfied with his achievements to date.

There's one commodity he's always wanted but, until now, has never been able to purchase.

More time.

When asked what his current goal is at the Venture Alpha West conference, Thiel made a shocking announcement.

He wants to live forever.

"There are a 100,000 people who die every day on this planet, mostly from things related to aging," Thiel said. "It's not going to happen to me."

It may seem like a bold ambition, but Thiel is not alone.

Both of Google's founders have similar aspirations.

Sergey Brin, has invested millions of dollars in a genomics company. Larry Page spent millions more to launch a company called Calico. Their goal: To cure aging.

Peter Diamandis, the founder of the X-Prize and International Space University, has recently founded a company called "Human Longevity Inc."

This company's sole purpose is to extend healthy human life span as long as possible. And he's offering a $10 million prize for technology that gets us closer to that goal.

Fortunately, you don't need to be a tech billionaire to take advantage of what these men are pioneering.

According to 35- year Silicon Valley Venture Capitalist and biotech consultant Michael Robinson, everyone will soon have the chance to live forever.

"Every cell in your body has an 'immortality gene'," Robinson says. "When it's switched on, your cells don't age. In fact, they become biologically younger."

Robinson continued, "So that's the good news. Here's the bad news. When we're born, we come with this gene 'switched off.'"

More: Click here to see Michael Robinson's investigation, "Unlocking Human Immortality."

But there may now be a way to switch that gene on.

Thanks to two Nobel Prize-winning discoveries, doctors have been able to develop a four-injection a year treatment that could allow us to activate our own immortality gene.

This treatment is currently in advanced clinical trials. It could be available for everyone in as little as 24 months.
Why We Die

Click here to see the genetic flaw that eventually kills us all

By switching on the Immortality Gene, doctors have already seen remarkable results.

In the most recent clinical trial (released January, 2015) doctors at Stanford were able to reversed the biological age of 60 year old human skin and muscle cells by 25 years. After just a "few days of treatment" they became indistinguishable from that of a 35-year-old.

Harvard doctors activated this same gene in mice. It extended their average lifespan from 2 years to almost 4 years.

Lead researcher on the project, Dr. Ronald DiPino, called this the "Ponce de Leon effect," referring to the Spanish explorer who famously sought the fountain of youth.

Whether these treatments will lead to an extra 30 years of human lifespan, or if they are the first steps toward immortality is still a hotly debated topic among scientists.

But what is clear, no matter who you ask, is that the field of human medicine is going to be dramatically different over the next few years.

Or as University of Michigan biochemist, Dr. David Engelke puts it, "Science has just changed."

[Bill Ryan]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)

[ulli]

I'm quite certain the suicide rate would go up in such a world where everyone has access to these treatments.
What keeps us in balance at the moment is the polarity between the will to live and and a death wish.

As we get older and start losing more and more loved ones the death wish gets stronger.
In such a world there would be no losses, but perhaps overload of experiences?

Interesting also that those who are investing in this development are those who were born under a lucky star, with really healthy birth charts, which can bring abundance into their lives from early on, and with a constant flow.

Not so sure that someone born with multiple square angles between the planets would want anything to do with this, as their lives would be like a valley of tears forever and ever.

[Innocent Warrior]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.

[ghostrider]

It was predicted back in 1995 that in the future , one day science would discover the gene that causes short life spans ... It can be rectified through a single gene ... Humans they say will live to be 300-400 years old ... Our ET friends it is said , live to be 1,000 years old ... The Et's say the original sin on Earth was this very thing , genetically altering a life form to have a short life span , Tampering with the incarnation path ... When you read about sin in King James translations , it all goes back to ETs genetically altering mankind , taking us off the path of evolution ... Imagine how much more intelligent one would be if you lived for 900 years like they did in the bible days ... You don't really know anything until you've been around for awhile ...

[Pam]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)


Your point is well taken, Bill. I think it is true that not only do we get attached to the old model but we get fixed in thinking processes as well. I guess some of these "billionaires" are saying that they really like the hand they were dealt this time and want to keep playing the game with the same hand and the same advantages. As far as I know, it doesn't work that way.

[Pam]

I'm quite certain the suicide rate would go up in such a world where everyone has access to these treatments.
What keeps us in balance at the moment is the polarity between the will to live and and a death wish.

As we get older and start losing more and more loved ones the death wish gets stronger.
In such a world there would be no losses, but perhaps overload of experiences?

Interesting also that those who are investing in this development are those who were born under a lucky star, with really healthy birth charts, which can bring abundance into their lives from early on, and with a constant flow.

Not so sure that someone born with multiple square angles between the planets would want anything to do with this, as their lives would be like a valley of tears forever and ever.


Ulli, you always have such an interesting take on things. It would be those that are born under a lucky star that would take advantage of this, and those that could afford to take advantage. Would we then have a world dominated by the brightest, smartest and most beautiful?
The way I feel, today, would be to reject such an opportunity. Part of it comes from feeling uncomfortable on this planet. You are right, after one has felt the sting of many losses the door to death and infinity can look rather welcoming. We live in a world of duality, what would be the consequences for us if we try to over ride it?

[ulli]

I'm quite certain the suicide rate would go up in such a world where everyone has access to these treatments.
What keeps us in balance at the moment is the polarity between the will to live and and a death wish.

As we get older and start losing more and more loved ones the death wish gets stronger.
In such a world there would be no losses, but perhaps overload of experiences?

Interesting also that those who are investing in this development are those who were born under a lucky star, with really healthy birth charts, which can bring abundance into their lives from early on, and with a constant flow.

Not so sure that someone born with multiple square angles between the planets would want anything to do with this, as their lives would be like a valley of tears forever and ever.


Ulli, you always have such an interesting take on things. It would be those that are born under a lucky star that would take advantage of this, and those that could afford to take advantage. Would we then have a world dominated by the brightest, smartest and most beautiful?
The way I feel, today, would be to reject such an opportunity. Part of it comes from feeling uncomfortable on this planet. You are right, after one has felt the sting of many losses the door to death and infinity can look rather welcoming. We live in a world of duality, what would be the consequences for us if we try to over ride it?

There will be diversity, for sure. Not everyone will reach even fifty.
If the brightest smartest and most beautiful dominate - I have no problem,
as long as they are also kind and compassionate and not stand in the way of people's opportunities to advance.

I feel uncomfortable, too, all the time. Learning to accept it, and for me creativity is the key. And perhaps that is what this planet is to show us... To find an outlet for our gifts. In that sense this place is nothing other than preparation for the real world, where we can then let loose with our polished performances.

Staying stuck here for the next thousand years, one part of me would have a sigh of relief, but the other would not be quite so sure. Can't get away from duality for long.....

[Pam]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.


It is interesting, that there is a gene that is inactivated that would allow us to live indefinitely. It seems to give credence to the idea that we have had our genetics altered, that at one time we were potentially immortal or at the very least, had much longer life spans. Maybe it is true that we were manipulated as a slave race, who knows?

You are right about the idea of just taking 4 shots a year and being young and vibrant. Somehow, I don't think it will be that easy, either. A comparison come to mind. You can take injections of Human Growth Hormone, and you may see some antiaging benefits, but there are definite serious side effects that are possible.

[Pam]

It was predicted back in 1995 that in the future , one day science would discover the gene that causes short life spans ... It can be rectified through a single gene ... Humans they say will live to be 300-400 years old ... Our ET friends it is said , live to be 1,000 years old ... The Et's say the original sin on Earth was this very thing , genetically altering a life form to have a short life span , Tampering with the incarnation path ... When you read about sin in King James translations , it all goes back to ETs genetically altering mankind , taking us off the path of evolution ... Imagine how much more intelligent one would be if you lived for 900 years like they did in the bible days ... You don't really know anything until you've been around for awhile ...


Wouldn't that be mind blowing if this was it? When you look at it the way you have presented it here it does make the prospect intriguing. If we were to live for 300-900 years, there certainly would be less inclination to lead the kind of frantic lives that many of us do. Would we not be much more concerned about the environment if we are going to be around to reap what we sow? It does seem that we really don't have all that much time to develop ourselves. By the time we master the art of living we die!!! What would happen if we mastered the art of living and then had a couple of hundred years just to manifest that? Wouldn't it be interesting to see what each of us do? It might give new meaning to the concept of self realization.

[Pam]

I feel uncomfortable, too, all the time. Learning to accept it, and for me creativity is the key.


I think there is so much truth in what you say here, Ulli. I totally believe that we are here to create. That can happen in a billion ways. When we do not create we are left empty, when we create there is a deep satisfaction that comes with it.

[Flash]

I certainly do not want the Clinton's, Rumsfelts, Blairs, Harpers, Stalines and Netanyahoos of this world to live forever. Before having the longevity geners worked on, maybe we should have the corrective for mental disease worked on too.

Or a gene that opens the heart, before having immortality and creating more havoc.

However, I always thought that a minimum of 150 years was necessary to attain some wisdom, in most people.

[RunningDeer]

No amount of biological tinkering can fill one that is not young at heart and spirit.

It’s a nice place to visit but I’d not want to live there if there’s more of the same ‘every person for him/herself’.

The laws of physics are too limiting here. I vote for a bigger playground where natural regeneration is on-going and inner technology is up and running to manifest what, when, how, where and who as desired.

<3

[Pam]

No amount of biological tinkering can fill one that is not young at heart and spirit.

It’s a nice place to visit but I’d not want to live there if there’s more of the same ‘every person for him/herself’.

The laws of physics are too limiting here. I vote for a bigger playground where natural regeneration is on-going and inner technology is up and running to manifest what, when, how, where and who as desired.

<3

RunningDeer, I find it so inspiring that you are able to maintain your wonderful, kind spirit in spite of all the things that happen on this planet. There are a small handful of people that make me feel happy, just knowing that they are alive and you are one of them.

[Pam]

I certainly do not want the Clinton's, Rumsfelts, Blairs, Harpers, Stalines and Netanyahoos of this world to live forever. Before having the longevity geners worked on, maybe we should have the corrective for mental disease worked on too.

Or a gene that opens the heart, before having immortality and creating more havoc.

However, I always thought that a minimum of 150 years was necessary to attain some wisdom, in most people.



I suspect that the ones you mentioned will be the ones who will have the first opportunities for something like this. I also suspect, they will be perfectly happy maintaining the status quo. And for them to do that they need little worker bee's that do not live very long because if they do, they will be able to figure out the game. Maybe that is the reason we have a shorter life span now. By the time we start to figure things out, we die.

[RunningDeer]

No amount of biological tinkering can fill one that is not young at heart and spirit.

It’s a nice place to visit but I’d not want to live there if there’s more of the same ‘every person for him/herself’.

The laws of physics are too limiting here. I vote for a bigger playground where natural regeneration is on-going and inner technology is up and running to manifest what, when, how, where and who as desired.

<3

RunningDeer, I find it so inspiring that you are able to maintain your wonderful, kind spirit in spite of all the things that happen on this planet. There are a small handful of people that make me feel happy, just knowing that they are alive and you are one of them.

Thank you for your kinds words, peterpam. :luv:

Hear that? See what you just did? My heart stretched bigger. Spontaneous regeneration. Organic, 100%, a la natural. No injection required.

The world would be an even cooler place with more peterpams in it.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/Heart_zpsvezvkpwd.GIF

[Orph]

I certainly do not want to live forever in a world dominated by the ***holes that are in power now. It might seem like a grand thing if you're one of the "haves", but for the "have nots", .............. well it's already an excruciating experience. Why prolong it?

I've spent my life searching for answers as to why I'm even here. And I'll continue that search until I die. But my life consists of nothing more than going to work everyday just so I can pay the bills and survive. Nothing more. I'm just a worker bee for the system. So when it's my time to die you can bet I'll go like I'm shot out of a cannon with no looking back.

[Wind]

I already am living forever! :)

K8TRRof5V0o

When it's time to move on to other places and to other adventures, the body is discarded because it is no longer needed. Sometimes it can be a huge relief.

[Cidersomerset]

It reminds me of ....................

Trigger's Broom

BUl6PooveJE

Published on 16 Jan 2014


RIP Trigger, love this and how it sparked many a philosophical
debate on Theseus' paradox in college :) Oh that ship of Theseus.

[Deega]

Thanks Peterpam, live longer, if the programming of Social/Political/Economical/Family would reflect longer living (250+ years) on Earth, than it would be a lot different, our psyche, mindset would be in line with living longer. All would be different, I guess!

Our creators had a reason to programmed our genes for short life span!, I would love to know the rationale on short life programming, there is to much speculation on this though!

[Flash]

Longer lifespan: Deega, we may become Wise!

Or else, we are so out of it, completely as stupid as monkey, that one cannot let long life span to such a specie.

[Pam]

I certainly do not want to live forever in a world dominated by the ***holes that are in power now. It might seem like a grand thing if you're one of the "haves", but for the "have nots", .............. well it's already an excruciating experience. Why prolong it?

I've spent my life searching for answers as to why I'm even here. And I'll continue that search until I die. But my life consists of nothing more than going to work everyday just so I can pay the bills and survive. Nothing more. I'm just a worker bee for the system. So when it's my time to die you can bet I'll go like I'm shot out of a cannon with no looking back.



Orph,

Sometimes I feel that that that is exactly the plan. If we use up all our vitality and life force just earning enough for a place to live and food to eat then we won't challenge the system. The powerful could live longer and fine tune the manipulation and exploitation of the worker bees.

One example of the insanity that we live in- why is it that if I put my money in a bank I will accrue 0.7% interest annually, If I borrow that same amount, I will pay 11.28%( this is a low interest rate lol) and up to 22. 5% if my credit score is not perfect. That is friggin insane, it is more than unjust, it is criminal and yet no one bats an eye. Twenty years ago, no one would have believed this would happen. So all it takes for many who are living paycheck to paycheck is one small disaster where they have to borrow money at these rates and it could mean homelessness.

Its interesting that one of the billionaires that is funding this research is the founder of Paypal!!!!!! So in a dystopian view of the future, the fab wealthy live longer and and the gap between the have's and have not's get wider, and the working poor will probable have shorter lives than they do now.. as they eat the gmo crap and cheaper processed foods without nutritional value.

I apologize for painting such a dismal possibility but, stranger things have happened. I would so love to have a little hope, but I'm just not feeling it today.

[Orph]

I apologize for painting such a dismal possibility but, stranger things have happened. And therein lies the conundrum. On the one hand, I love that I am conscious and alive. And this planet is far more beautiful than what I can even imagine. I would love to live for 2 or 3 thousand years, if, .... if, .... we were not controlled by a ruling class.

And to answer the original question a little more directly, the answer is no. If living a very long life was our natural way, fine. But if it's something I have to continually take injections for, then no. Even if I was living a relatively good life, I would not want to extend it via unnatural ways.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)

My guess is that we do live forever, the big issue seems to be simply remembering the details.

I would like to remember the details, the plans, and have the ability to pop into any reality to visit any life form, any place I have ever loved, wearing any container I choose. Come and go on my command.

[Innocent Warrior]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.


It is interesting, that there is a gene that is inactivated that would allow us to live indefinitely. It seems to give credence to the idea that we have had our genetics altered, that at one time we were potentially immortal or at the very least, had much longer life spans. Maybe it is true that we were manipulated as a slave race, who knows?

You are right about the idea of just taking 4 shots a year and being young and vibrant. Somehow, I don't think it will be that easy, either. A comparison come to mind. You can take injections of Human Growth Hormone, and you may see some antiaging benefits, but there are definite serious side effects that are possible.

Yes, I remember reading years ago about how we also have a gene that fights cancer and that it's a case of having that gene switched off for people who get cancer. That could be due to our environment, since the cancer rates have apparently risen since the industrial revolution, but it's like humans were made perfect, originally, and for some reason, we no longer function at our full capacity.

The way the world is controlled by the elitists and the way our history seems to be covered up, over and over again, it does seem like there's a concerted effort to keep us in a certain paradigm, functioning within a small frequency band. Perhaps we were never free (as we would be at full capacity) and we were created to be slaves. Maybe they took whoever we were before, and genetically modified us by splicing us with other races and shutting down our DNA in the process?

As strongly as I feel about humanity not going down this track, the truth is it's really up to the individual. For me, I'm certain we can activate our DNA through the continuous raising of our frequency. It's just a matter of choosing higher frequencies to turn the switches back on in our DNA.

http://api.ning.com/files/WL0ix1r8l-gokNFSFy1y7RBENKvl4KVBqZUm-UZ4m8KmhMCqfRdMKfH0YB7HgygNgG6xk21t0UYBa462zF13X-bbSYo6RVrl/biggestsecretbook70.jpg

Note: for anyone not familiar with the image above, the chains represent our DNA strands, the little dots represent our switches (switching them on activates genes, "junk DNA") and the wavy lines represent frequencies. The top frequency is fear and the bottom frequency is love.

This thread is not about this but I mention it because I have a very strong feeling that going down any unnatural routes will greatly hinder our ability to activate our DNA naturally. And I do believe we can do it in this lifetime, due to the need for us to, need is a trigger for miracles, in my experience.

Even as a fully activated human, I do not believe we would live here forever, in that state of functioning we'd simply leave our bodies when we choose...perfect freedom. We'd be in full memory so we'd know when we've experienced what we came to experience.

Really good food for thought peterpam, thanks for the thread.

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

It seems to me that everyone's thinking on this is
polluted by common prejudices of ageing.

Imagination a scenario in which you could be guaranteed:
=> a longer life of good health and vitality;
=> complete mobility -- i.e: freedom from pain and disease;
=> a longer life where your cognitive marbles remained in good working order.

Until, say, your 100th birthday.

And consider this: With, say, 30 or 40 years of extended health and well being,
everyone would have 30 or 40 years additional time for personal, emotional
and philosophical growth. As a species we'd evolve because we simply had
more time to learn, reflect and evolve.... we just need to ensure that these
elder, more evolved people retain power and influence.

Extended longevity could have an unexpectedly powerful civilising effect upon us.

Who'd be reluctant to accept that ?

be happy

lucidity :-)

[araucaria]

The question arises: is built-in obsolescence restricted to humans, i.e. programmed by some maker? It does seem that the rest of nature is also designed to fade just a little too fast. A unilateral upgrade would just push us further out of synch than we already are. Life on this planet seems to be a subtle combination of different lifespans, from a couple of hours for certain insects to trees living for millennia. Where we fit in this overall package has been changing for decades and seems to have accompanied the increasing damage we have been doing. When one thinks that the longest living organism (which may not be alive at all as we understand the word) is the virus, immortality on this planet begins to sound like a big mistake.

[Finefeather]

There is nothing in the Cosmos that does not last for ever...right now... because the Cosmos consists ONLY of primordial atoms, which are indestructible...it is only manifested group phenomena which appear to 'die'.

Everything, manifest, is made up of primordial atoms in various dimensional configurations...and various states of consciousness... and one of these primordial atoms, who has evolved in consciousness through billions of years of existence and experience... and who forms the nucleus of the 'body' in which it exists in...is you...and I...and every one else.

You...we...are each... one individual primordial atom... currently barely conscious of our Self state... inside a layer of 42 more denser atomic worlds... which is 48 dimensional layers finer than the mineral kingdom... and 38 times less atomically dense than what scientists call the atom...(which is not really an atom)

So all manifestations, including an organic body, can only 'exist' as long as the cycle in which it is bound...which depends on the evolutionary state of the Self which controls that manifestation.

Human bodies cannot 'live' forever because the cycle of the human body is governed by the Monads/Selves who control it's cycle of manifestation.
Monads/Selves who incarnate into human bodies are all part of the collective solar dimension and everything that manifests in a solar system is governed by cycles which are controlled by the collective solar Being...which is you and all the billions of other individual monads.

We are not the body... and death is just the biggest myth in the Cosmos.

Take care
Ray

DID YOU KNOW: that the real Self is so tiny that if you sat on a pinprick you might think that the boundary of the pinprick was infinity.

[ulli]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)

My guess is that we do live forever, the big issue seems to be simply remembering the details.

I would like to remember the details, the plans, and have the ability to pop into any reality to visit any life form, any place I have ever loved, wearing any container I choose. Come and go on my command.

Me too, and being someone of a restless nature most of the time, with the attention span of a gnat this would be a great solution.
But wondering if other environments would be safe with someone like me around.
What kind of a trail would I be leaving?

[Flash]

I do sincerely believe that our life span is too short to give wisdom fruits fast enough. This short life span and fear are both the reasons behind our overall "retard" attitude towards life and inner evolution. Our thinking may change quite a lot if we know that in 200 years we will still be here. Competition and destruction may take a hike then, as well as the lethargic tendencies letting us stand psychopaths who are leading us to our death.

Furthermore, I wish to emphasize a bit what Finefeather is talking about.

We are in fact intimately and definitively linked to Earth, from our carbon based bodies to our energetic fields to our destiny. It is not easy to leave one's planet because the evolution plan of its species is in direct relation with it. Looking in that direction (leaving the planet or leaving it in despair), instead of helping the planet and its species, including humans, in a collaborative fashion, is utter stupidity in my views.

We are also intimately linked, in turn, to our solar system, to our sun. Have you listen to the vibration noises or songs different stars in the universe emit (some videos on that on YouTube). Those vibrations are extremely different from one another and the beings beneath it as well. Our bodies and mind could not thrive efficiently Under most of these.

So why don't we make with what we have, collaborate to life here, and yes, live very long and fruitful life helping this planet and its beings, while acquiring wisdom and incarnating love.

In the meantime, this primordial atom that created me is in search of new expériences 3D fashion trying to find a job that it will like and that will bring happiness and development to those living around it and help the planet thrive through its evolution. lollllllllll;)

I may not post much in the coming days, but will look at feedbacks.

[Pam]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.


It is interesting, that there is a gene that is inactivated that would allow us to live indefinitely. It seems to give credence to the idea that we have had our genetics altered, that at one time we were potentially immortal or at the very least, had much longer life spans. Maybe it is true that we were manipulated as a slave race, who knows?

You are right about the idea of just taking 4 shots a year and being young and vibrant. Somehow, I don't think it will be that easy, either. A comparison come to mind. You can take injections of Human Growth Hormone, and you may see some antiaging benefits, but there are definite serious side effects that are possible.

Yes, I remember reading years ago about how we also have a gene that fights cancer and that it's a case of having that gene switched off for people who get cancer. That could be due to our environment, since the cancer rates have apparently risen since the industrial revolution, but it's like humans were made perfect, originally, and for some reason, we no longer function at our full capacity.

The way the world is controlled by the elitists and the way our history seems to be covered up, over and over again, it does seem like there's a concerted effort to keep us in a certain paradigm, functioning within a small frequency band. Perhaps we were never free (as we would be at full capacity) and we were created to be slaves. Maybe they took whoever we were before, and genetically modified us by splicing us with other races and shutting down our DNA in the process?

As strongly as I feel about humanity not going down this track, the truth is it's really up to the individual. For me, I'm certain we can activate our DNA through the continuous raising of our frequency. It's just a matter of choosing higher frequencies to turn the switches back on in our DNA.

http://api.ning.com/files/WL0ix1r8l-gokNFSFy1y7RBENKvl4KVBqZUm-UZ4m8KmhMCqfRdMKfH0YB7HgygNgG6xk21t0UYBa462zF13X-bbSYo6RVrl/biggestsecretbook70.jpg

Note: for anyone not familiar with the image above, the chains represent our DNA strands, the little dots represent our switches (switching them on activates genes, "junk DNA") and the wavy lines represent frequencies. The top frequency is fear and the bottom frequency is love.

This thread is not about this but I mention it because I have a very strong feeling that going down any unnatural routes will greatly hinder our ability to activate our DNA naturally. And I do believe we can do it in this lifetime, due to the need for us to, need is a trigger for miracles, in my experience.

Even as a fully activated human, I do not believe we would live here forever, in that state of functioning we'd simply leave our bodies when we choose...perfect freedom. We'd be in full memory so we'd know when we've experienced what we came to experience.

Really good food for thought peterpam, thanks for the thread.


I have never seen the diagram regarding frequencies and I think it is really interesting to visualize the concept. The video of sand particles on a plate exposed to different sounds comes to mind. The vibration of each frequency transforms the sand into different patterns. I definitely believe the material world manifests due to frequencies or vibrations so what you say makes perfect sense. If vibration change the patterns that sand make it certainly seems like we can manifest a much different reality for ourselves by optimizing the frequencies of our own existance.

Also, what you say about being able to make the decision to leave our bodies by choice brings Paramahansa Yogananda to mind. He was a Kriya Yogi and did exactly that, he left his body at the exact moment he planned to. Another interesting thing, his body did not deteriorate the way most bodies do after death, I definitely feel he was one who operated at a much higher frequency than most do and his "rules" of his reality were also different than that of the average person. I just read a book about Tibetan Buddhist monks and apparently it is quite common for their bodies to shrink dramatically within a day or two after death, it makes me wonder how much of a different reality could we tap into in this lifetime without any assistance from big pharma?

[Pam]

Hello Siblings,

It seems to me that everyone's thinking on this is
polluted by common prejudices of ageing.




Imagination a scenario in which you could be guaranteed:
=> a longer life of good health and vitality;
=> complete mobility -- i.e: freedom from pain and disease;
=> a longer life where your cognitive marbles remained in good working order.

Until, say, your 100th birthday.

And consider this: With, say, 30 or 40 years of extended health and well being,
everyone would have 30 or 40 years additional time for personal, emotional
and philosophical growth. As a species we'd evolve because we simply had
more time to learn, reflect and evolve.... we just need to ensure that these
elder, more evolved people retain power and influence.

Extended longevity could have an unexpectedly powerful civilising effect upon us.

Who'd be reluctant to accept that ?

be happy

lucidity :-)





What you say makes much sense. The first 20 or 30 years we are figuring out how everything works. The next 20-30 we seem to spend acquiring things such as a home, savings, money ect. It does make sense that if we were to live longer in a healthy state we might begin to maximize our creativity and really do some incredible things.

[Finefeather]

In the meantime, this primordial atom that created me.....
Hey Flash
This primordial atom never created you...it is you...you have always existed...we are only now slowly starting to realize who and what we really are now, billions of years along our now activated evolutionary path/journey.
It's going to take many more thousands of incarnations before most of us experience full Self awareness...
If you think you are who you think you are in your head now...chances are you will be wrong :)

Love you
Ray

[Flash]

In the meantime, this primordial atom that created me.....
Hey Flash
This primordial atom never created you...it is you...you have always existed...we are only now slowly starting to realize who and what we really are now, billions of years along our now activated evolutionary path/journey.
It's going to take many more thousands of incarnations before most of us experience full Self awareness...
If you think you are who you think you are in your head now...chances are you will be wrong :)

Love you
Ray

Thanks, love you too

I had once the chance to be me consciously. A few seconds it seemed, or eternity when me, past present and future at once. Incredible peace. Transformative. Wondeful! I just constantly forget it in this 3D world, so I am constantly wrong.:blushing:

Can you explain the "now activated" a bit please?

Thanks

[Finefeather]

"now activated"?
A primordial atom is called a monad initially because it has little to zero consciousness.
In this state it forms part of all the 'inactive' things in life like a stone or a piece of metal etc...there is very little consciousness.
At this stage it then begins to activate itself by gaining consciousness of a rudimentary 2 dimensional state.
It gains more consciousness as it forms part of higher minerals and elements up to and including radium.
At some point the mineral monad moves into the consciousness of the plant kingdom and then to the animal kingdom, until it enters the human kingdom which is the point in evolution where Self consciousness begins to appear.

Full Self consciousness/ realization is the last thing that happens to humans before they become causal beings. Only then can we truly say that we are a Self.
A Self is a monad with causal and above consciousness..

Obviously this is not easy to explain...but you know where to find the answers...don't you :)

Love
Ray

[amor]

What would I do with long life. I would search out all knowledge for the good and think God's thoughts after him and then be his friend and companion. All the rest of motives will lead to boredom, suicide, and the other sins of the soul eventually.

[Pam]

I would search out all knowledge for the good and think God's thoughts after him and then be his friend and companion


Wouldn't that be wonderful, to spend time and be the friend of one that had the capacity to create all life as we know it. Just imagine sitting on a park bench, chatting with the creator of all things...... or maybe taking a small boat out onto a lake???? although I don't really think of the creator as being housed in a body....

[Elainie]

Hello Siblings,

It seems to me that everyone's thinking on this is
polluted by common prejudices of ageing.

Imagination a scenario in which you could be guaranteed:
=> a longer life of good health and vitality;
=> complete mobility -- i.e: freedom from pain and disease;
=> a longer life where your cognitive marbles remained in good working order.

Until, say, your 100th birthday.

And consider this: With, say, 30 or 40 years of extended health and well being,
everyone would have 30 or 40 years additional time for personal, emotional
and philosophical growth. As a species we'd evolve because we simply had
more time to learn, reflect and evolve.... we just need to ensure that these
elder, more evolved people retain power and influence.

Extended longevity could have an unexpectedly powerful civilising effect upon us.

Who'd be reluctant to accept that ?

be happy

lucidity :-)

People are already doing this (Blue Zones for example). I know a few people that are over 104 years old, not on medications, live alone and are fully self sufficient..........

[amor]

You had a peek at the beatific vision, the mental state of God, love, peace, joy, and the presence of eternal life. This is our present (if we can open the pineal gland and stop using flouridated toothpaste) and our spiritual future.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If I were offered eternal life with no possibility ever of death, regardless of circumstances, I would refuse it out of hand. Imagine eternal life in hell!

[Roisin]

Living on this planet forever would be the ultimate punishment because I'm not ruling out that we are recycled here over and over again because this is where the higher-ups have sent us souls that are deeply flawed. In short, we are rejects.

[Innocent Warrior]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.


It is interesting, that there is a gene that is inactivated that would allow us to live indefinitely. It seems to give credence to the idea that we have had our genetics altered, that at one time we were potentially immortal or at the very least, had much longer life spans. Maybe it is true that we were manipulated as a slave race, who knows?

You are right about the idea of just taking 4 shots a year and being young and vibrant. Somehow, I don't think it will be that easy, either. A comparison come to mind. You can take injections of Human Growth Hormone, and you may see some antiaging benefits, but there are definite serious side effects that are possible.

Yes, I remember reading years ago about how we also have a gene that fights cancer and that it's a case of having that gene switched off for people who get cancer. That could be due to our environment, since the cancer rates have apparently risen since the industrial revolution, but it's like humans were made perfect, originally, and for some reason, we no longer function at our full capacity.

The way the world is controlled by the elitists and the way our history seems to be covered up, over and over again, it does seem like there's a concerted effort to keep us in a certain paradigm, functioning within a small frequency band. Perhaps we were never free (as we would be at full capacity) and we were created to be slaves. Maybe they took whoever we were before, and genetically modified us by splicing us with other races and shutting down our DNA in the process?

As strongly as I feel about humanity not going down this track, the truth is it's really up to the individual. For me, I'm certain we can activate our DNA through the continuous raising of our frequency. It's just a matter of choosing higher frequencies to turn the switches back on in our DNA.

http://api.ning.com/files/WL0ix1r8l-gokNFSFy1y7RBENKvl4KVBqZUm-UZ4m8KmhMCqfRdMKfH0YB7HgygNgG6xk21t0UYBa462zF13X-bbSYo6RVrl/biggestsecretbook70.jpg

Note: for anyone not familiar with the image above, the chains represent our DNA strands, the little dots represent our switches (switching them on activates genes, "junk DNA") and the wavy lines represent frequencies. The top frequency is fear and the bottom frequency is love.

This thread is not about this but I mention it because I have a very strong feeling that going down any unnatural routes will greatly hinder our ability to activate our DNA naturally. And I do believe we can do it in this lifetime, due to the need for us to, need is a trigger for miracles, in my experience.

Even as a fully activated human, I do not believe we would live here forever, in that state of functioning we'd simply leave our bodies when we choose...perfect freedom. We'd be in full memory so we'd know when we've experienced what we came to experience.

Really good food for thought peterpam, thanks for the thread.


I have never seen the diagram regarding frequencies and I think it is really interesting to visualize the concept. The video of sand particles on a plate exposed to different sounds comes to mind. The vibration of each frequency transforms the sand into different patterns. I definitely believe the material world manifests due to frequencies or vibrations so what you say makes perfect sense. If vibration change the patterns that sand make it certainly seems like we can manifest a much different reality for ourselves by optimizing the frequencies of our own existance.

Also, what you say about being able to make the decision to leave our bodies by choice brings Paramahansa Yogananda to mind. He was a Kriya Yogi and did exactly that, he left his body at the exact moment he planned to. Another interesting thing, his body did not deteriorate the way most bodies do after death, I definitely feel he was one who operated at a much higher frequency than most do and his "rules" of his reality were also different than that of the average person. I just read a book about Tibetan Buddhist monks and apparently it is quite common for their bodies to shrink dramatically within a day or two after death, it makes me wonder how much of a different reality could we tap into in this lifetime without any assistance from big pharma?

Thank you for the information about Paramahansa Yogananda, I'm adding him to my reading list.

I've just posted a lecture by Bruce Lipton here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=954538&viewfull=1#post954538), I highly recommend watching this if you're interested in seeing exactly how fear and love affects our DNA. I've written an intro to the lecture in the link (my clumsy attempt but you'll get the picture).

[Finefeather]

If I were offered eternal life with no possibility ever of death, regardless of circumstances, I would refuse it out of hand. Imagine eternal life in hell!
The good news is... you are and will always be an eternal Being with no possibility of death.
The bad news is... you will continue to reincarnate/involve into what you call "life in hell" until you work it out and get yourself off the cycle.

"life in hell" is only apparent when you fail to see the beauty which awaits you in a higher state or kingdom...so the sooner you come to terms with this the sooner you can start on your journey of discovery... and real life.

Much love
Ray

[Finefeather]

Living on this planet forever would be the ultimate punishment because I'm not ruling out that we are recycled here over and over again because this is where the higher-ups have sent us souls that are deeply flawed. In short, we are rejects.
Yes you are been "recycled here over and over again" ...but guess what? It is you who has done the recycling because it is you who needs to realize that there is a purpose to life... and the "higher-ups" see no flaws in you...they see only the potential in you to grow into what everyone is striving to become...super-beings with immense love and brotherhood for all souls.

With love
Ray

[blake]

I apologize for painting such a dismal possibility but, stranger things have happened. And therein lies the conundrum. On the one hand, I love that I am conscious and alive. And this planet is far more beautiful than what I can even imagine. I would love to live for 2 or 3 thousand years, if, .... if, .... we were not controlled by a ruling class.

And to answer the original question a little more directly, the answer is no. If living a very long life was our natural way, fine. But if it's something I have to continually take injections for, then no. Even if I was living a relatively good life, I would not want to extend it via unnatural ways.

Why? People take injections everyday to keep them alive. So if you think your life isn't worth living for whatever reason, what is the age you want to die? Is sixty too young? Is 97 too old? At what age do you want to die if you do not want an expanded life time that obvious was in our genetics for us to discover.

[Pam]

Living on this planet forever would be the ultimate punishment because I'm not ruling out that we are recycled here over and over again because this is where the higher-ups have sent us souls that are deeply flawed. In short, we are rejects.

Now that is really interesting, Roisin. And I don't think I can argue against us not being deeply flawed. I agree the idea of living on this planet with humans as they are now does not offer anything I would be interested in.

[Michi]

I certainly do not want the Clinton's, Rumsfelts, Blairs, Harpers, Stalines and Netanyahoos of this world to live forever. Before having the longevity geners worked on, maybe we should have the corrective for mental disease worked on too.

Or a gene that opens the heart, before having immortality and creating more havoc.

However, I always thought that a minimum of 150 years was necessary to attain some wisdom, in most people.

Well said!
Prolonging life makes sense and in order to evolve to a higher state, 150 years would sound reasonable.
But to keep the same body for infinity I consider it extremely boring.
And yes - some misfits you would't like to have around forever.

[kirolak]

I don't understand. . . we DO live forever. Only the Planetary Vehicles change (thank goodness!) I do not want immortality in this doll that I inhabit!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Maybe .... just maybe .... this reality is as dead as you get.

[Davidallany]

If you and I have power over the change then it is ok, however, if we do not have power over it then we are in the dark and in the area of uncertainty. Only when we can leave the body at will are we ok with regard to that part of existence.
I am afraid that most of us are still in the dark when it comes to the mechanism of leaving body and inhabiting another.

[looking-glass]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)

I 'love' my old banger coupe the car, my body is working well for my age, but would I want to keep any corporeal one working forever - guess the answer. Okay, hell no! Our 'focus' must get he hell outa Dodge.

regards

[Pam]

Fascinating information about our bodies in this article.

Edit
Forgot to answer your question, sorry. I'd love to activate that gene (For quality of life, not to keep my body alive forever) but only if I could do it through my own consciousness, so I wouldn't get those injections, that would be cutting corners and that never turns out well.


It is interesting, that there is a gene that is inactivated that would allow us to live indefinitely. It seems to give credence to the idea that we have had our genetics altered, that at one time we were potentially immortal or at the very least, had much longer life spans. Maybe it is true that we were manipulated as a slave race, who knows?

You are right about the idea of just taking 4 shots a year and being young and vibrant. Somehow, I don't think it will be that easy, either. A comparison come to mind. You can take injections of Human Growth Hormone, and you may see some antiaging benefits, but there are definite serious side effects that are possible.

Yes, I remember reading years ago about how we also have a gene that fights cancer and that it's a case of having that gene switched off for people who get cancer. That could be due to our environment, since the cancer rates have apparently risen since the industrial revolution, but it's like humans were made perfect, originally, and for some reason, we no longer function at our full capacity.

The way the world is controlled by the elitists and the way our history seems to be covered up, over and over again, it does seem like there's a concerted effort to keep us in a certain paradigm, functioning within a small frequency band. Perhaps we were never free (as we would be at full capacity) and we were created to be slaves. Maybe they took whoever we were before, and genetically modified us by splicing us with other races and shutting down our DNA in the process?

As strongly as I feel about humanity not going down this track, the truth is it's really up to the individual. For me, I'm certain we can activate our DNA through the continuous raising of our frequency. It's just a matter of choosing higher frequencies to turn the switches back on in our DNA.

http://api.ning.com/files/WL0ix1r8l-gokNFSFy1y7RBENKvl4KVBqZUm-UZ4m8KmhMCqfRdMKfH0YB7HgygNgG6xk21t0UYBa462zF13X-bbSYo6RVrl/biggestsecretbook70.jpg

Note: for anyone not familiar with the image above, the chains represent our DNA strands, the little dots represent our switches (switching them on activates genes, "junk DNA") and the wavy lines represent frequencies. The top frequency is fear and the bottom frequency is love.

This thread is not about this but I mention it because I have a very strong feeling that going down any unnatural routes will greatly hinder our ability to activate our DNA naturally. And I do believe we can do it in this lifetime, due to the need for us to, need is a trigger for miracles, in my experience.

Even as a fully activated human, I do not believe we would live here forever, in that state of functioning we'd simply leave our bodies when we choose...perfect freedom. We'd be in full memory so we'd know when we've experienced what we came to experience.

Really good food for thought peterpam, thanks for the thread.


I have never seen the diagram regarding frequencies and I think it is really interesting to visualize the concept. The video of sand particles on a plate exposed to different sounds comes to mind. The vibration of each frequency transforms the sand into different patterns. I definitely believe the material world manifests due to frequencies or vibrations so what you say makes perfect sense. If vibration change the patterns that sand make it certainly seems like we can manifest a much different reality for ourselves by optimizing the frequencies of our own existance.

Also, what you say about being able to make the decision to leave our bodies by choice brings Paramahansa Yogananda to mind. He was a Kriya Yogi and did exactly that, he left his body at the exact moment he planned to. Another interesting thing, his body did not deteriorate the way most bodies do after death, I definitely feel he was one who operated at a much higher frequency than most do and his "rules" of his reality were also different than that of the average person. I just read a book about Tibetan Buddhist monks and apparently it is quite common for their bodies to shrink dramatically within a day or two after death, it makes me wonder how much of a different reality could we tap into in this lifetime without any assistance from big pharma?

Thank you for the information about Paramahansa Yogananda, I'm adding him to my reading list.

I've just posted a lecture by Bruce Lipton here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=954538&viewfull=1#post954538), I highly recommend watching this if you're interested in seeing exactly how fear and love affects our DNA. I've written an intro to the lecture in the link (my clumsy attempt but you'll get the picture).


Thank you Innocent Warrior, I will definitely look at the Bruce Lipton material !!!!!

[Pam]

I don't understand. . . we DO live forever. Only the Planetary Vehicles change (thank goodness!) I do not want immortality in this doll that I inhabit!



Now that is a very interesting way of looking at the human body, and when I think about it, that is exactly what we are !!

[Pam]

Maybe .... just maybe .... this reality is as dead as you get.


Wow, you are really stretching my imagination this morning, Ron. You know, I wouldn't really be surprised if that was true. It really does take a concerted effort to pull ourselves out of the fog and quicksand. I do frequently get the feeling that I am walking amongst the undead. Not that I am suggesting that I am somehow better, it's just that I am willing to see the truth, regardless of how painful it might be. I don't seem to have the ability to but the blinders on.

I love the minds here, the thinking processes and the creativity. I am so grateful to be able to share thoughts and insights with you guys!!!!! These sorts of discussions are what I need to keep my mind open to the wonders of the universe, to never take it for granted.

[apokalypse]

live forever on this planet physicality? f'k no...i'm so tired right now especially people call themselves Christian being religious have no compassion or no emotion for others. few times i have a thought of suicide.

[Pam]

apokalypse, I get where you are coming from. I found it very difficult to learn that groups of people claiming to be righteous and upright were no place near what they claimed to be. Later, I discovered that everything is corrupted. Some more so than others but where there is human involvement there will be corruption, no matter how altruistic a group starts out to be, the ego of one or more will be become involved and then the corruption begins.I have been involving myself in animal rescue groups recently and naively I felt that there would be very little corruption, and I had my rude awakening. Although most that are involved are truly generous and loving and give freely it seems that the sociopaths will always find a way to get in a "power" position and begin to manipulate things for their benefit.

In a way, it was freeing to discover this because now there is much less disappointment. My expectations are much, much lower. In fact I'm getting to the point where I have very little expectation about anything. I know what you mean about considering suicide. It can be very hard to maintain on this planet. Sometimes I just count the days till this will be over and yearn for a way out that will not cause any pain to anyone. If you ever feel a need to talk, apokalypse, you can feel free to pm me.

[yuhui]

Nothing is permanent ultimately. You can go to the level of Immortality once you are done with the mechanism of desire/wanting..which burns your energy...Immortality is the philosopher's stone, remember in Harry Potter, those who wish/want to get the stone can never have it....

[Pam]

Nothing is permanent ultimately. You can go to the level of Immortality once you are done with the mechanism of desire/wanting..which burns your energy...Immortality is the philosopher's stone, remember in Harry Potter, those who wish/want to get the stone can never have it....



The same irony applies to enlightenment.....as long as you want it, it is not attainable. I think these paradoxes are what make life interesting. Things are most frequently not as they seem.

[sdafnom]

Would you take advantage of this and live forever if you could?



It's a bit like finding a way to keep your old car on the road forever.

We get attached to the cars we love, for very good reasons... but sometimes, it's just nice to get a new model which can do different things. :)

Like the Ancient Greeks said: The body is a vehicle for the soul. So the better the vehicle the better the functions (and options too). Nice metaphor Bill!

[Flashlight]

I already am living forever! :)

K8TRRof5V0o

When it's time to move on to other places and to other adventures, the body is discarded because it is no longer needed. Sometimes it can be a huge relief.

When one's body is filled with pain, it would be a true joy to transcend the body!

[Jhonie]

The advantage to living for a long time would be to make very long term plans. But oh the price of those shots will certainly preclude the average person from using it.

[djwinner]

Interesting. Many healers that I've talked to in the alternative space would say that this is actually a crude, one-sided approach to life extension and that we as humans already have the innate ability within our own free will of consciousness to extend our lives as long as we like, given the right terrain to act upon. In the perfect environment and with total awareness, we are essentially zero-point energy biological organisms (or the physical expression of the neverending waveform of Yin & Yang)

Not so ancient (in terms of how long man has been on this planet) documents commonly speak of people living to be a thousand years old and there are stories of ascended masters like St Germain who have lived in recent times for over 200 years...knowledge is the key to living for as long as you like. Unfortunately many would argue that most of this knowledge was lost during the fall of Atlantis and those few that are aware of it are actually in control and don't plan on this info ever getting out. I have seen a number of recent Illuminati whistleblower videos where talk of secret bloodline families at the top have members that are a 1000 or 2000 years old and have been running the show for a long time. Starvation, disease and murder were their tools for thousands of years. Now in modern times we have chemtrails, radiation, unnatural food, additives, etc killing us off. I believe the garden of eden was just ancient earth... when there were no controllers limiting our lifespans...Hopefully as we humans all begin to wake up and change the matrix around us, we will again discover our true nature as limitless beings...

[Pam]

djwinner, thanks for a most interesting perspective. Welcome to PA!!!!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I strongly suspect we all are eternal beings, we all are extensions of Source energy, on Prime Creators never ending journey of self discovery.

Wearing a meat-suit that is in prime condition is much better than wearing one that no longer works as well as it used to, if all other variables remain the same.

Rather than wearing the same old meat-suit for a long time, I would find it to be much more fun, to pop into realities wearing the appropriate meat-suit, to play with any life form I have ever loved, and have the ability to come and go on my command.

[Pam]

I strongly suspect we all are eternal beings, we all are extensions of Source energy, on Prime Creators never ending journey of self discovery.

Wearing a meat-suit that is in prime condition is much better than wearing one that no longer works as well as it used to, if all other variables remain the same.

Rather than wearing the same old meat-suit for a long time, I would find it to be much more fun, to pop into realities wearing the appropriate meat-suit, to play with any life form I have ever loved, and have the ability to come and go on my command.




Ah, yes.... the trials and tribulations of wearing the meat suit!!!! I love your post, Ron...in fact, I love all your posts. You are such an asset to PA.