Supplement cocktail

[Violet]

I haven't had big issues with isolated supplements in the past but since I went vegetarian I've been adding some...and now I'm not sure anymore if all this mixing is harmless.

Okay here goes, current list:

- vit. D3 (10,000 iu)
- vit B-complex
- magnesium & Calcium (combi)
- chromium picolinate (200 mcg)
- iron
- kelp
- moringa olifeira
- glycine (500 mg)

[Feritciva]

... or you may use spirulina/chlorella tablets instead. I suppose you use 1000 iu vit D3 as 10.000 is very high dosage. 1000 iu is ok and can be used with spirulina. So my vegetarian coctail would be,

Spirulina (or chlorella) - at least 3000 mg /day
Vit d3 - 1000 iu
Vit b12 -1000 mcg

[robinr1]

I don't have a proper response to your question....but I am in a very similar spot.....I stopped eating meat about a year ago.....and cut dairy down about 90 percent.... have u had any adverse reactions due to the change yet>?

[Violet]

It's 10,000iu, every other day.

I have a thread going about the vegetarian process, Robin: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78394-Turning-vegetarian--step-by-step-
I didn't stop eating meat all of a sudden. My system was already prepared for that.

There are many supplements to choose from but mixing elements is chemistry. And what reaction will it bring?
I understand that manufacturers can't write down all the possible reactions, with all the other elements, on every box of one such element/supplement :) but the only warnings now are the familiar ones: pregnant women, children, liver and heart problems.

[Elainie]

Long time vegan here: I rotate supplements and once used to be very against supplements.

Currently here's what I take- ALA (Andy Cutler mercury protocol) 100 MG's ever 3 hours for 3 days on and then 3 days off.

Ben Lynch's Seeking Health- methyl B vitamins and sometimes his regular methyl B

Vibrant Health Super selenium

EuroMedica- Curaphen (this is a turmeric supplement)

ReserveAge- use a variety of their resveratrol products

Ecogenics- Pecta Sol C (again for heavy metal detox)

ACZ Nano (for heavy metal detox)

Zeo force zeolite (again for heavy metals)

Life Enhancement nano curcuminoids (another turmeric formula)

Boluoke enzymes (systemic)

Vitalzyme enzymes (systemic)

Biofibrin enzymes (again systemic)

Byron White detox 2 formula

Pekana apo hepat, Itires and Renelix detox (this is a drainage detox formula of 3 different spagyrics)

Pekana apo strum (a thyroid detox formula)

Byron White AL complex (a lyme formula)
Byron White A bab (another lyme formula)

Nutrimedix samento (another lyme formula)

Panaseeda black cumin oil

Grapefruit seed extract

Vitamin D3 with K2

YES parent oils (ultimate EFA which is a blend of parent plant oils)

Sometimes I use Bio Pure chlorella- I am not supposed to right now nor supposed to use NAC

I use a liposomal C (as well as IV C)

A glutathione patch from LifeWave and get IV glutathione

Oh and a variety of medicinal mushrooms that I rotate- anything from Draon Herbs to Jing herbs- I used to do more with Chinese herbs but I'm on a lyme regime so have to stick it out with the herbs I take (Byron White).


My advice regarding supplementation is to first get a baseline nutrient blood test to see where you stand (I like the intracellular one from Spectracell) and go from there. I was deficient in zinc first test I had, used an ionic zinc to correct it and on last test was slightly low in selenium. I take methyl B's because I am MTHFR and use the Ben Lynch methylation protocol. Aside from that I try to obtain actual nutrients from food (my system does a good job because aside from the two I mentioned, all nutrients were above optimal levels).

I grew up a vegan and dabbled in some meat eating in my 20's and early 30's after I read Sally Fallon's book and a variety of paleo/primal books but a meat diet is not suited for me metabolically or genetically (I had it tested it using 4 different testing systems) and I thrive on a plant diet.

[Flash]

Wow, ERK, what is the cost of it??? I do not think I could afford this variety of suppléments.

[Elainie]

Wow, ERK, what is the cost of it??? I do not think I could afford this variety of suppléments.

Currently a lot because my oldest daughter and I are on similar regime from lyme ND. I get medicinal mushrooms for free (that helps a bit).

If I wasn't on that particular regime, the lyme herbs would be the only one's to go. I would still keep the others and have been on some of those for years for numerous reasons (I have Hashimotos as a result of mercury toxicity). A bigger pain was testing this all out to see if they all worked with each other and at what doses. That took hours for each of us.

[Mikelodium]

I'm vegetarian too (ex-vegan) Now I'm using this vitamin & mineral complex and my last blood analysis (pre-surgery analysism, just some days ago) are ok. I've been using this vits for about a year.

http://i.imgur.com/7U7wXos.jpg

[Flash]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a by a person who is PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here, genetically, we are both, daughter and I, from heavy meat eater from the North, me completely French (bits of Dutch or Dane) and native Indians from at 500 years back implanted in North America, her from my side plus north of the Black Sea tribes, although these have been farmers for longer than we have been in North America. I was vegetarian for 2 years way back and at the 2 years point was constantly dreaming of eating a good huge steak:bigsmile:

[Mikelodium]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/jYpuo5o.jpg

FYI, I'm just taking the morning dose.


Peace :)

[Elainie]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a by a person who is PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here, genetically, we are both, daughter and I, from heavy meat eater from the North, me completely French (bits of Dutch or Dane) and native Indians from at 500 years back implanted in North America, her from my side plus north of the Black Sea tribes, although these have been farmers for longer than we have been in North America. I was vegetarian for 2 years way back and at the 2 years point was constantly dreaming of eating a good huge steak:bigsmile:


Lyme issues not too bad, had I not done an Assyra scan I probably would never have known. Genetically I come from Swedish and English background but once I had the SMART DNA test done, well I have the ancestral gene APOE4 that thrives on a low fat plant diet. Many Africans have this genotype so you can never tell outwardly without doing a genetics test lol as I do not look African at all.

[Violet]

Wow, ERK, that's an impressive list. Now mine doesn't look so scary anymore.

But you're right, I'd never do what you're doing if I didn't at least have blood results indicating a necessity for it. I have these scheduled for summer. By then I'll have a six month stable-non-meat period to go by. Anything shorter might distort the values.

Interesting ingredient list, Mikelodium, you have your iodine, vit. D,C, E, K, metals, calciums, magnesium,...and borax too.

Post-update:

Robin, adding something. The list I provided was a two-way process:

part 1:

vitamin D 5000iu (daily)
calcium (185mg) & magnesium (E530) (150mg)
iron (lactate) (14mg)
zinc (must look up)
vitamine B:
Vitamine B1 Thiamine: 91mg
Vitamine B2 Riboflavine: 50mg
Niacine (B3) Niacinamide: 50mg
Pantotheenzuur/acid (B5): 69mg
Vitamin B6 Pyridoxine hcl: 41mg
Biotine (B8)
Folic acid (B11): 50mcg
Vitamin B12 Cyanocobalamine: 5mcg
Choline: 75mg
Inositol: 75mg
PABA (para-amino-benzoëzuur/acid): 50mg
(sorry, some Dutch left in)

part 2: the rest

First part no effects, adding second part to it seems to have increased my water intake. No notable increase in perspiration, though. Still watching how this goes.

ERK, Flash, how does rotating work?

[Elainie]

Wow, ERK, that's an impressive list. Now mine doesn't look so scary anymore.

But you're right, I'd never do what you're doing if I didn't at least have blood results indicating a necessity for it. I have these scheduled for summer. By then I'll have a six month stable-non-meat period to go by. Anything shorter might distort the values.

Interesting ingredient list, Mikelodium, you have your iodine, vit. D,C, E, K, metals, calciums, magnesium,...and borax too.

Post-update:

Robin, adding something. The list I provided was a two-way process:

part 1:

vitamin D 5000iu (daily)
calcium (185mg) & magnesium (E530) (150mg)
iron (lactate) (14mg)
zinc (must look up)
vitamine B:
Vitamine B1 Thiamine: 91mg
Vitamine B2 Riboflavine: 50mg
Niacine (B3) Niacinamide: 50mg
Pantotheenzuur/acid (B5): 69mg
Vitamin B6 Pyridoxine hcl: 41mg
Biotine (B8)
Folic acid (B11): 50mcg
Vitamin B12 Cyanocobalamine: 5mcg
Choline: 75mg
Inositol: 75mg
PABA (para-amino-benzoëzuur/acid): 50mg
(sorry, some Dutch left in)

part 2: the rest

First part no effects, adding second part to it seems to have increased my water intake. No notable increase in perspiration, though. Still watching how this goes.

ERK, Flash, how does rotating work?



Meaning every few months you change up supplements. This is the one I normally use when I'm not on a specific regime (if I had to name 3 must have supplements this would be on it as well as D3 and a curcumin supplement) it makes my nails and hair super. Only issue is it contains folic acid (oops, on label it appears not to have it after all) which I normally avoid but good news is it contains no copper and this multi is in liquid form plus it contains sea buckthorn and other good stuff.

http://www.genesistoday.com/products/total-nutrition

[DeDukshyn]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/jYpuo5o.jpg

FYI, I'm just taking the morning dose.


Peace :)

Meh ... really high in excipients (listed as "bulking agents), which is almost par for the course with some tablet forms. Capsules generally have far less "extra stuff" added (excipients (anti-cake, flow agents, lubricants like mag stearate)), but they do have the "capsule" material - usually gelatine or hypromellose. It's a bit of a trade off, but mag stearate can have the ability to coat a particle and make it not very bioavailable; this is why I personally try to avoid supplements that have very high mag stearate levels.

Too much cheap calcium as well in my opinion, generally people don't need more calcium, they need Vit K and D, and supporting minerals - you body won't make bone without a good supply of all the parts needed, however, one could certainly do a lot worse than this for a multi, that is for sure. Many brands aren't even worth taking at the dosages for the ingredients, or for the forms of the ingredients. The main issue I see with this is the D levels like Flash mentioned - entirely inadequate - additional supplementation with D should be had, D3 specifically, a vegan D3 is now also emerging on the market, so good news for vegetarians and vegans who have been forced to supplement with D2, D3 is the superior form.

[Flash]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/jYpuo5o.jpg

FYI, I'm just taking the morning dose.


Peace :)

Meh ... really high in excipients (listed as "bulking agents), which is almost par for the course with some tablet forms. Capsules generally have far less "extra stuff" added (excipients (anti-cake, flow agents, lubricants like mag stearate)), but they do have the "capsule" material - usually gelatine or hypromellose. It's a bit of a trade off, but mag stearate can have the ability to coat a particle and make it not very bioavailable; this is why I personally try to avoid supplements that have very high mag stearate levels.

Too much cheap calcium as well in my opinion, generally people don't need more calcium, they need Vit K and D, and supporting minerals - you body won't make bone without a good supply of all the parts needed, however, one could certainly do a lot worse than this for a multi, that is for sure. Many brands aren't even worth taking at the dosages for the ingredients, or for the forms of the ingredients. The main issue I see with this is the D levels like Flash mentioned - entirely inadequate - additional supplementation with D should be had, D3 specifically, a vegan D3 is now also emerging on the market, so good news for vegetarians and vegans who have been forced to supplement with D2, D3 is the superior form.

Thanks very much, if I am not mistaken the all bio high grade product you are working with are AOR aren't they? They are excellent, but on the pricey side.

As usual, you are filled with information more than one can demand. So the lower cost of the products probably has to do with the too much fillings. And I did not know about stereate. Thanks

Ah yes, there is a manufacturer or D3 from New Brunswick, Canada, who get it from the sheep wool - in form of pills. When you chew it, it taste wool lolllll. Better swallow. I do not know if vegetarian would eat it because of the animal wool, but hey, no killing her, just happy cool sheep in the summer.

[Elainie]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/jYpuo5o.jpg

FYI, I'm just taking the morning dose.


Peace :)

Meh ... really high in excipients (listed as "bulking agents), which is almost par for the course with some tablet forms. Capsules generally have far less "extra stuff" added (excipients (anti-cake, flow agents, lubricants like mag stearate)), but they do have the "capsule" material - usually gelatine or hypromellose. It's a bit of a trade off, but mag stearate can have the ability to coat a particle and make it not very bioavailable; this is why I personally try to avoid supplements that have very high mag stearate levels.

Too much cheap calcium as well in my opinion, generally people don't need more calcium, they need Vit K and D, and supporting minerals - you body won't make bone without a good supply of all the parts needed, however, one could certainly do a lot worse than this for a multi, that is for sure. Many brands aren't even worth taking at the dosages for the ingredients, or for the forms of the ingredients. The main issue I see with this is the D levels like Flash mentioned - entirely inadequate - additional supplementation with D should be had, D3 specifically, a vegan D3 is now also emerging on the market, so good news for vegetarians and vegans who have been forced to supplement with D2, D3 is the superior form.

Thanks very much, if I am not mistaken the all bio high grade product you are working with are AOR aren't they? They are excellent, but on the pricey side.

As usual, you are filled with information more than one can demand. So the lower cost of the products probably has to do with the too much fillings. And I did not know about stereate. Thanks

Ah yes, there is a manufacturer or D3 from New Brunswick, Canada, who get it from the sheep wool - in form of pills. When you chew it, it taste wool lolllll. Better swallow. I do not know if vegetarian would eat it because of the animal wool, but hey, no killing her, just happy cool sheep in the summer.

Copper can also be an issue, especially for vegans as diet tends to be too high in copper and too low in zinc and optimal balance ratio should be 6:1 zinc to copper or 8:1 so many really high quality (meaning they were formulated by some good functional practitioners) omit copper (some also omit iodine as that can be a problem for those with Hashimoto's following a Karrazian protocol). They also use methylated B's as many people have MTHFR gene mutations.

I use these for my kids http://www.amazon.com/Multivitamin-L-5-MTHF-Easy-To-Swallow-Vegetarian-Magnesium/dp/B004ILF66K/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2IFQV2MK0G3IH


There is vegan D3- we use this one: http://www.amazon.com/Nordic-Naturals-Vitamin-D3-Vegan-1/dp/B009K7JU6E/ref=sr_1_5?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1429578381&sr=1-5&keywords=vegan+D3


An excellent excipient free supplement company is Premier Labs- I've used their products for 10 years and they are excellent. http://www.prlabs.com/?page=excipient-free

[DeDukshyn]

lol Mikelodium, i wanted to rolled the bottle to read the ingrédients. Seems pretty complete except for vitamin D here in winter, just not enough of it.

I wish I could use it for my daughter, she won't take vitamines from multiple sources (no more than 2 pills) and I do think she needs it. Also i have been told my many sources (my sister who is a dietician and a PhD in biochemistry) that our body gets used to vitamins and that we have to rotate during the year, rotate the sources and stop it for a while too.

As for heavy metal chelation, I will look into what you take ERK, since you did the experimentation.

Turning my life again, and this time, it will be turning it to be physically healthy.

Sorry for the heavy suffering due to lyme ERK. There are so many people coming down with this long term disease causing long term disability that I do not understand why this is not more thoroughly studied yet. No kidding, I am now scared to go camping or to live in nature - lyme was not in Canada for the longest of times, but now it is in my country and my city. But I do have American friends with it.

Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/jYpuo5o.jpg

FYI, I'm just taking the morning dose.


Peace :)

Meh ... really high in excipients (listed as "bulking agents), which is almost par for the course with some tablet forms. Capsules generally have far less "extra stuff" added (excipients (anti-cake, flow agents, lubricants like mag stearate)), but they do have the "capsule" material - usually gelatine or hypromellose. It's a bit of a trade off, but mag stearate can have the ability to coat a particle and make it not very bioavailable; this is why I personally try to avoid supplements that have very high mag stearate levels.

Too much cheap calcium as well in my opinion, generally people don't need more calcium, they need Vit K and D, and supporting minerals - you body won't make bone without a good supply of all the parts needed, however, one could certainly do a lot worse than this for a multi, that is for sure. Many brands aren't even worth taking at the dosages for the ingredients, or for the forms of the ingredients. The main issue I see with this is the D levels like Flash mentioned - entirely inadequate - additional supplementation with D should be had, D3 specifically, a vegan D3 is now also emerging on the market, so good news for vegetarians and vegans who have been forced to supplement with D2, D3 is the superior form.

Thanks very much, if I am not mistaken the all bio high grade product you are working with are AOR aren't they? They are excellent, but on the pricey side.

As usual, you are filled with information more than one can demand. So the lower cost of the products probably has to do with the too much fillings. And I did not know about stereate. Thanks

Ah yes, there is a manufacturer or D3 from New Brunswick, Canada, who get it from the sheep wool - in form of pills. When you chew it, it taste wool lolllll. Better swallow. I do not know if vegetarian would eat it because of the animal wool, but hey, no killing her, just happy cool sheep in the summer.

AOR uses only the most bioavailable forms for almost everything, and uses only the exact dosages that have been proven therapeutic in clinical trials -- we don't put stuff on the label in useless miniscule amounts just to cram more stuff on a label -- and yes you do pay for all this, AOR is definitely one of the most expensive brands, and not all supplements require that rigorous attention, so for some things I recommend the cheaper brands and for some things I steer clear of the cheaper brands - depends on what it is. Vitamin D and C for example -- it's all pretty much the same across brands, however, I would only take AOR's B complex, or maybe one or two other brands that I have seen with similar ingredients, dosages and forms.

Yeah the sheep's wool thing is a bit controversial -- we have a few vegetarians that don't mind, but most don't like it - and you are right, the sheep isn't harmed. We do carry a fully vegan D3 now (we were the first in Canada I believe)-- extracted from lichens.

[Violet]

I use this one for Vit D3

http://www.natrol.com/images/Variant/medium/6014.jpg

No gelatine, it does have magnesium stearate:

http://www.natrol.com/images/variant/supplement/medium/6014.jpg

The gelatine in caps, and softgels is often the reason why I choose the tabs.
I did notice an increase in vegetarian/vegan caps in the product range, though.

[huckmubb]

Ironic, I just found this thread, since I haven't visited this forum in a long time, and I've recently been obsessed with studying vitamin supplements.

For what it's worth, Joe Wallach, a guy I first heard on Coast to Coast, he said you need a multi-vitamin. He said that vitamins don't work on their own, separately, you need ALL of them, together, including all the trace metals and minerals, otherwise the body can still get very unusual and rare illness, what we might call disease.

To back up his claim, Joe Wallach is 76 years old and has not been hospitalized from illness since he was 9 years old, when he started taking vitamins for Cows, as an experiment, which fixed his health problems of nervous twitching when he was 9 years old.

Joel Wallach has done autopsies on 454 different animal species including Humans, 18,000 autopsies, to determine the cause of death in animals and Humans. He has spent his life studying nutrition and has cured hundreds or thousands of people and animals and has even said that many things we think are genetic are caused by a lack of vitamins, elemental minerals, or amino acids.

I am attaching Joel Wallach's list of what he has found to be the 90 essential nutrients. He has said outright that taking a few vitamins isn't going to help unless you are getting ALL of the 90 nutrients, because they are synergistic, and work together.

This fly's in the face of most people who take a few supplements. At least in America, from what I can tell, people take very high doses of Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin D, Calcium, and herbal supplements. But we don't take good quality multi-vitamins, or eat good quality protein sources.

See attached. Joel's vitamins are called Majestic Earth, but I have found that trace minerals can be found from Now brand Colloidal Minerals called "Fulvic Acid." Also eggs have 100% of all the essential amino acids, and cholesterol which helps testosterone production and the brain, which is made from 75% cholesterol.

Not sure if this is helpful, there are many different opinions and ideas but Joel Wallach does have a lifetime of studying and research, so I figured I would mention him here.