The Curious Case of Satanism

[christian]

I'm confronted with something I didn't expect to see and I'd appreciate your insights to figure this out.

After having read much about satanic ritual abuse through the so-called elites, and after reading much about how it dates all the way back to occult practices in Sumerian times, I asked Dr. Google about it. Surprisingly, he focused on information about modern Satanism, e.g. the Church of Satan. On their site it actually says that they don't condone abusive behavior and that to them, "Satan […] is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person." In fact, a lot of modern Satanism is rather reminiscent of libertarian ideals—however with a focus that is more on personal gratification and less on collaborative interaction with society.

That being said, while I never knowingly participated in rituals involving Satanism or black magic, I know from first-hand experiencers that these are real, powerful and extremely dangerous. I'd think that the use of these rituals and the existence of the forces involved are as old as existence and certainly have been contacted throughout most of human history under whatever label.

The discrepancy in my head that I'm trying to conciliate is: Why does modern Satanism seem relatively harmless when black magic and spiritual work with dark or malevolent entities has been around since forever, with a very serious impact? Where is solid information about the history of such work and about its relation to Satanism?

Something that might be relevant to all this is the question of commonalities and differences between the devil, Satan, and Lucifer. None of them ever appeared to me, so to me they're all stories or concepts, even though I have seen enough to acknowledge the existence of dark spiritual entities in general.

[Bluegreen]

I would suggest that what we normal people know as "satanism" or "black magick" (words in which the Tower of Babel continues to rule by producing a near visceral response) is merely the so-called elite's method of communication with their off-world masters.

[andrewgreen]

I would suggest that what we normal people know as "satanism" or "black magick" (words in which the Tower of Babel continues to rule by producing a near visceral response) is merely the so-called elite's method of communication with their off-world masters.

Off world, maybe other dimensional more likely. However to 99.9% of satanists they will always just be demons. The reason satanism seems so soft is by design. They should have an outwardly appealing appearance to attract more people.

[Robin]

Hi Christian,

Given the complexity of beliefs encompassing the world, it is not rare to be confused about these things. I've dealt with Satanists and Luciferians in different ways, and I can certainly say that they are just as diversified as the thousands of different permutations of Christianity. If I may, I'll try to clarify some things.:heh:

Firstly, you are right in saying that Black Magick is dangerous and unpredictable. Many people think of magic as being either overly complex or simple pull-rabbit-out-of-hat tricks. Magick is simply the manipulation of consciousness to achieve a desired result suited for the person performing it. It is the manipulation of fire, water, earth, and air, which are four aspects of our consciousness.

White magick is magick that a person performs when they seek to achieve a gain for themselves or achieve something for somebody else, with both cases not causing any harm on anybody else or infringing on the rights of others. Black Magick, sometimes called Chaos Sorcery, is a type of magick that somebody performs to manipulate others to benefit themselves or a group of people, which DOES infringe on the rights of others. Both white and black magick can be performed by BOTH white and dark magicians.

Experienced and knowledgeable magicians know how the Law of Attraction works, how the Law of Karma works, and how humans share a collective unconscious. Inexperienced magicians who meddle with magick can be unpredictable and cause irreparable harm to themselves and others.

Magick sometimes does involve tampering with the astral realm, and inexperienced people often get very hurt. The conjuring of jinn, elementals, and other inter-dimensional beings is also something dark magicians get involved in, and they make deals with them in return for favors.

Right, now Satanism and Luciferianism. :)

Luciferianism is the belief that Lucifer ("Light-bearer") is a symbol that one uses as a springboard, so to speak, to achieve a higher state-of-being. Most Luciferians do not see Lucifer as a physical being, but as simply a symbol and metaphor. I like to think of Lucifer as being the "random factor" that allows humans to experience the universe through mistakes, learning, and growth in an otherwise perfectly organized mechanism.

Of course there can be both Light and Dark Luciferians. Light Luciferians use the ego as a spring-board to understand themselves and as motivation to achieve higher states of consciousness to be upstanding people in society. Dark Luciferians see themselves as fulfilling the key role this "random factor" has become in our everyday lives by claiming that suffering is necessary for humans to grow.

The people on the very top of the pyramid controlling this planet are Dark Luciferians, and they are puppeteers to the Satanists controlling this world, who are puppeteers to the masses. The people at the top literally believe that they have a divine calling to control and manipulate humanity because they are giving us plenty of chances to escape our ego.

Most Satanists do not believe in the archetypal Devil character. Satanism is more or less the worship of the ego, above all else. Satan means "opposer," and serves as the motivation to experience the universe from an opposing perspective. Satanism is a lifestyle that is based around doing whatever it takes to be on top, and believing that the universe is constructed in a survival-of-the-fittest theme.

Actually, 99+% of humanity is composed of Satanists. Most of ignorant humanity is stuck in a Satanic mindset without even knowing it. Satanism to one individual isn't necessarily dangerous. Satanism to an organized bunch of elitist controllers who have sequestered knowledge about the true nature of the universe and the true history of this planet and humanity who know all about magick...is very dangerous.

I hope this makes at least a little sense! ;)

Cheers,
Robin

[OMG]

You can find tons of information on the beings or the concepts of the devil, satan and lucifer depending on where you look. Whether it's main stream religions, esoteric, metaphysical or alien arenas, it's all around with a little bit of research.

Most equate the big three (devil, satan, lucifer) with evil regardless of their origins. Yet there are also those that feel these are actually good and have been given a bad rap for centuries.

I don't really feel any concluisve study can be done on the origin of the big three because you'd have to come to terms with the very fundamental idea of good/evil. And that is a study which requires all we are...

Instead what you usually find are beLIEfs that people develop, using a limited number of faculties or attributes, based on a combination of what they study or feel attracted to pursue.

My view is simple...avoid Evil or anything that doesn't feel right or takes away another's freedom to live and be free.

[yelik]

According to Dr Richard Allan Millar - paranormal physcisit, he claims there are about 7 levels of human conciousness. Combining a strong beliefe with ritual appears to tap into other realms which I imagine is not to be advised without knowing what you are doing.

The Elites have been doing this stuff since The Babylonian times - strong belief + ancient ceroamonies + sacrifice appears to summon demons, but probably worshipping the Repies.

[ZooLife]

Actually, 99+% of humanity is composed of Satanists.


Interesting....

So is the remaining less the 1% Luciferianist?

Where do you see yourself in the spectrum of humanity?

This is compelling information should your claim that 99+% of humanity is composed of Satanists. In a way, wouldn't this suggest that humanity is in hell?

[Buzzie]

Interesting, the idea that 99+% of humanity is composed of Satanists. Wasn't it Gean-Paul Sartre who observed that "hell is other people"?

[donk]

I believe Robin says that in the sense that "civilization" is geared to ego-satisfying, selfish (at the expense of others), competitive (rather than cooperative ie: individualistic boot strappers)...almost in a sense consenting to the manipulation of others' will as if it is "higher" consciousnesses "right" and such heirarchy is the only way in which humanity can arrange itself.

At least that's the way I see it, we are immersed in satanist value system (look up the modern satanists' commandments). It's not all "bad", per se...it's just that mindless acceptance leads you to....well, where we find ourselves now.

I feel we have to learn to remove the emotional attachments to these ideas, otherwise it becomes just another religion argument (which in itself, perhaps is the making of a being espousing satanist ideals?)

PS- amazing post robin!

[Robin]

Interesting....

So is the remaining less the 1% Luciferianist?

Where do you see yourself in the spectrum of humanity?

This is compelling information should your claim that 99+% of humanity is composed of Satanists. In a way, wouldn't this suggest that humanity is in hell?

I made no mistake in what I said, and it is no exaggeration. The 1% (actually more accurately ~0.25%) that I write of would represent the people of this world who are awake and aware, including those on Avalon. That sliver of a percent represents all the people of the world who have escaped indoctrination of religion and government, and understand the fundamental difference between right and wrong, as well as moral and immoral behavior.

Most people are Satanists, make no mistake. Perhaps especially Christians are Satanists, and they don't even know it. The main agenda of the PTB is to instill a Satanic ideology within humanity, to keep people stuck in a paradigm based upon scarcity, one centered around a survival-of-the-fittest mentality. They have been successful for thousands of years, as humanity as a whole acts out of the individual ego.

Satanism is simply the belief that self-preservation is the most important aspect of living. Those who make it to the top in society have the right to rule over others and to use their authority to make decisions for the rest of humanity. They decide how society works while disregarding the thoughts and feelings of those on the bottom rungs of society. Satanists do not believe that there is a difference between right and wrong behavior, and they believe that any behavior is justified if it means weeding out any perceived weakness in society and only allowing the fittest to be successful.

Most people follow orders even when they know that what they are doing is infringing on the natural rights of other people. This is the definition of Satanic philosophy.

[yuhui]

Myths, stories are true when understood metaphorically. They reflect the potential spirituality of humanity like poetry. I think "devil" comes from the idea "evil", Satan come from Saturn, and Lucifer, or "Luke" "Lucy" is like the enlightened being or illuminated one....in short. And you may find explanations given by wisdom seekers: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology
, https://kickass.to/santos-bonacci-book-references-t6640430.html or http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy37.htm

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The discrepancy in my head that I'm trying to conciliate is: Why does modern Satanism seem relatively harmless when black magic and spiritual work with dark or malevolent entities has been around since forever, with a very serious impact? Where is solid information about the history of such work and about its relation to Satanism?

"Satanism" in this case is really a misnomer. If it traces back to Sumeria and Babylon, which I believe it likely does, then the idea of Satan didn't even exist in Judaism back then. The idea of Satan as the chief fallen angel, depicted as a dragon in Revelation and all that, seems to have come along with Christianity. In Hebrew it simply means "adversary" and before that something akin to "prosecutor," and the "destroyer" that killed the firstborn children in Egypt, which was sent by God, was an early form of the word Satan.

I can give two connecting lines for you:

1) When the Jews were taken into Babylonian captivity, they absorbed a lot of stuff from the Babylonians, including ritual magic involving summoning demons and that sort of thing. The Jews were excellent scribes, and were put to work making copies of Babylonian tablets. This is thought to be where the Book of Genesis may have originated as well, since it has polytheistic overtones and coincides with other points in the Babylonian creation epic. When you see books such as the "Lesser Key of Solomon," some people believe that this sort of writing ultimately originated from Babylon.

2) The Khazarian Jews. The Khazars were a nation of people in southeastern Europe, by the Black Sea, who apparently practiced child sacrifice just as the ancient Canaanites did. They would abduct children from neighboring peoples as well, and just generally do all sorts of terrible things. Eventually a coalition of nations formed against them, including the Russians, and the Khazars were defeated and forced to accept one of the Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. They chose Judaism, and then went back to doing the same evil stuff anyway. Another military campaign was led against them which wiped out their nation for good, but their rulers had been forewarned of the second attack and escaped westward into Europe. These people then became known as some of the most influential families in Europe, so the story goes. I'm thinking along the lines of "Rothschild" here.

Both Canaan and Babylon had pantheons that were based on the Anunnaki, or what the Book of Enoch calls the Watchers or fallen angels. The Canaanites are notorious in the OT for their human sacrifices.

[ZooLife]

The 1% (actually more accurately ~0.25%) that I write of would represent the people of this world who are awake and aware, including those on Avalon. That sliver of a percent represents all the people of the world who have escaped indoctrination of religion and government, and understand the fundamental difference between right and wrong, as well as moral and immoral behavior.

So then, by definition a person is a Satanist or they are 'exceptional'.

Can one really escape the egotistical idealism in that theory?

(I can understand how you arrived at your theory but there is more to the rabbit hole then that.)

[donk]

You either believe humans "naturally" create a reality on abusive power-based hierarchies with the few siphoning energy from the many...or you don't.

What are the percentages in your experience? Mine seem a little higher than robin's (and constantly growing)....but how many do you see?

Arguing over the statics is pointless, the emotionally charged words even more so. Let go of your emotional attachment to ideas, like "elite" and "1%"....and even "satan". That's hoe they get us

[WhiteLove]

I'm confronted with something I didn't expect to see and I'd appreciate your insights to figure this out.

After having read much about satanic ritual abuse through the so-called elites, and after reading much about how it dates all the way back to occult practices in Sumerian times, I asked Dr. Google about it. Surprisingly, he focused on information about modern Satanism, e.g. the Church of Satan. On their site it actually says that they don't condone abusive behavior and that to them, "Satan […] is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person." In fact, a lot of modern Satanism is rather reminiscent of libertarian ideals—however with a focus that is more on personal gratification and less on collaborative interaction with society.

That being said, while I never knowingly participated in rituals involving Satanism or black magic, I know from first-hand experiencers that these are real, powerful and extremely dangerous. I'd think that the use of these rituals and the existence of the forces involved are as old as existence and certainly have been contacted throughout most of human history under whatever label.

The discrepancy in my head that I'm trying to conciliate is: Why does modern Satanism seem relatively harmless when black magic and spiritual work with dark or malevolent entities has been around since forever, with a very serious impact? Where is solid information about the history of such work and about its relation to Satanism
Something that might be relevant to all this is the question of commonalities and differences between the devil, Satan, and Lucifer. None of them ever appeared to me, so to me they're all stories or concepts, even though I have seen enough to acknowledge the existence of dark spiritual entities in general.

You are heavily underrating the destructiveness of this kind of stuff. You are forgetting that this kind of stuff to a great degree is about deception, manipulation, hate and lie, to trap people into darkness and bondage, driven by ego. Also, it is a very dangerous game to rationalize this kind of stuff from the perspective of our current density, because the current density shields off much of the more heavy suffering that comes with the darkness, hence what you would instantly understand is not good for you or others - similarly to putting your hand into the fire - that is not naturally present in our density due to the shielding, hence deception can lead you and others down the wrong path without a natural response present to stay away or to understand to stay away. This is why ETs warn us about deception, because in their multi-dimensional nature they have a more full awareness about the various densities, including the darker ones and what they are like. I can recall the more positive dimensions very well, but I also have memory fragments of a very dark one and all I can say is get away from it at all costs...

[ZooLife]

Arguing over the statics is pointless, the emotionally charged words even more so. Let go of your emotional attachment to ideas, like "elite" and "1%"....and even "satan". That's hoe they get us

http://turbo.paulstamatiou.com/uploads/2011/12/pstam-invalid-argument-unicorn.jpg

[donk]

Cute. You win.

Twisting emotionally charged words is always superior way to "win" than applying emotional detachment and critical thought. Carry on misrepresenting the minutiae of robin's word choice. And using funny memes. Great way to further the conversation

[ZooLife]

You summation is shallow. Dig deeper.

[13th Warrior]

Here's the deal:

Throughout all of history of man kind; there have been those who possessed a higher level of spirituality/philosophy. As the the old axiom states "with great knowledge comes great power". These enlightened men desired to pass along this knowledge but, only to those deemed worthy to receive it. Fore they feared that this knowledge in the hands of the unwashed masses would be abused. Interestingly enough, this very practice of encoding hidden sacred knowledge in symbolism and metaphor to prevent misuse and abuse has had the unintended consequences of creating the very thing it was meant to prevent.

Most people are herd animals; as such they like to socialize in like minded groups where they get positive reinforcement for their beliefs and perpetuate group think. Just look at the endless list of organizations one may choose to join...

Satanism for most; is simply an appealing counter cultural style such as Gothic or Punk. In fact, most members of the Satanic Church are drop from the roll because of a lack of progress in their basic teachings.

Yes, there are people who are performing wicked deeds upon humanity but, these acts are not exclusive to miss guided groups of people that identify with an "ism"

The cartoon "Scooby Doo" got it right when at the end of each episode you discovered that the real monsters are people.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

You guys are getting into philosophical debates when the question the OP asked can be answered with history, as I posted above.

"Satanism" would not exist without Christianity. Christianity is only half as old as what the Sumerians/Babylonians were doing. The relevant questions lead back to who the Sumerians/Babylonians really were and where they were learning this stuff from. Then you have the Anunnaki, recognized at least as early as the Gnostics as being a kind of cosmic demon, and there you go. They were ETs or interdimensional beings, obviously service-to-self, operating and being worshipped in broad daylight in these ancient civilizations, until they were at some point forced into hiding. That's where this stuff came from.

[OMG]

The ORIGIN of every aspect of this discussion is within the realm and fundamental core where polarity exist' (light/dark, good/evil, positive/negative, male/female, etc).

If you don't have polarity you won't have issues such as Satanism, or good vs. evil, etc.

I recommend transcendence from the prison of polarity. Instead of infinite redundancy and conflict.

:)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

OMG,

If you renounce polarity (really another word for dualism), what are you going to do then? What does that actually look like, in terms of how you would behave on a daily basis? Would you stop eating and breathing, since these things are based upon polarities? Would you stop accessing the Internet, since both accessing and not accessing the Internet would become one? Would you begin talking to yourself, since there is no ultimate difference between you and anyone or anything else? To reject polarity and to NOT reject polarity must be equally good/bad, since "good" and "bad" are the very polarities that we are to reject.

If it were not for dualism, this physical experience would not even be possible. I agree that all things ultimately resolve to 1 thing, but it's an apparent fact that this is not the nature of our current experience, even realizing all of this. We still have to physically do something. It seems the most convincing thing that one can do to truly show that they are above all dualities, is to do nothing at all, starve themselves and die as Buddhist monks apparently used to do. That's one way of handling things but since we're rejecting duality anyway, I might as well point out that this method is also no better or worse than any other course of action here since "good" and "bad" are also polarities and meaningless.


This thread could descend into a philosophical black hole, but like I am telling you guys, the OP's question is historical in nature, because it can be answered with historical information. And that's what I've posted on the previous page. You don't have to be judgmental of what that means morally in order to see the historical chain of events that have led to the present-day situation.

[OMG]

There are two choices as I see it (pardon the duel pun).

1. You transcend beyond polarity (there are various expressions for this such as God-Union, merging with Source or ones Higher Self, Sigularity, Nirvakalpa Samadhi, Satori, Nirvana, etc).

2. You remain in the realm of polarity and play the Lela, which is most likely infinite in scope.

We don't know what option #1 is like until it is achieved. Everything we relate to revolves around the dualistic Lela so that's where everyone places their focus and values. But I do feel we would be remiss if not down right nieve to suggest #2 is all there is...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's not as if your physical body is just going to disappear in a blaze of light to go join the great oneness somewhere else, because every place and every time is all equally and already part of this oneness. It's reached through a state of consciousness and then all you can do is be aware of it.

And still to be alive here you have to face the fact that duality exists here. And part of that duality in our particular space and time includes a history of "Satanists" in positions of power who have ritually abused and sacrificed children at least for 3000 or 4000 years. You can choose to be "above" it or choose to speak out or otherwise act against it, but whatever you choose to do, one is not going to be "better" or "worse" than the other if you reject such dualistic terms in the first place.

So again I think we really can save the philosophical stuff for another topic, as it's not really going to answer what the OP is asking. It's interesting but it doesn't explain why these criminals are called "Satanists" as they practice a form of ritual abuse that seems to be at least about 1000 years older than even the modern conception of "Satan." From a purely historical perspective, the idea of Satan comes in much later and doesn't have much to do with the origin of any of this stuff.

[OMG]

1. Actually your physical body does turn into light, rainbow body, etc.

2. Yes consciousness is key. And it's not philosophical speculation as convincing research is plentiful, even for honest skeptics.

3. This has everything to do with OP's post in a most critical way. But with anything relevancy is dependent on the degree of conscious light we strive to hold and apply...

Of course we could always discuss the 10,000 things indefinitely and have plenty to occupy us...

:)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Of course we could always discuss the 10,000 things indefinitely and have plenty to occupy us...

Yes, and I suppose you could bring this stuff up on any thread on this forum equally.

[OMG]

Yes but Satanist particularly need it...



:sun:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

So that brings us back to this point: the people doing all this child abuse, etc., are not Satanists, strictly speaking. :P

[Icare]

I realize this is a very old thread, but this video by Mark Passio (a former satanist himself) explains what "de facto satanism" is (de facto= in action).
Very interesting :
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What Robin wrote all these years ago was actually spot on.