ANZAC Day: Lest We Forget

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ANZAC Day 2015 was the 100th anniversary of the landing of Commonwealth troops at Gallipoli, Turkey.

The first ANZAC Day in 1916 was the year after that defeat and was in remembrance of dead and wounded Australian and New Zealand servicemen.

In London ANZAC troops marched:

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There were marches in Australia and New Zealand (which were also recruitment rallies):

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This began the tradition.

I'm not going to rabbit on about it but just wanted to remember my relatives who fought in all the various conflicts Australia and New Zealand have been involved in.

There are no winners in war, only survivors.

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-- Pan

[Cidersomerset]

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Gallipoli centenary marked by Queen and UK leaders

2 hours ago From the section UK

Short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32460946

The Queen has attended UK ceremonies marking the centenary of
the Gallipoli campaign in World War One.She took part in a two-
minute silence before laying a wreath at the Cenotaph in Whitehall.
The Queen was joined by the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince William and
party leaders at the memorial parade.She later joined a service of
remembrance at Westminster Abbey, where she laid a wreath at
the Grave of the Unknown Warrior.

A second day of services is also taking place in Australia, Turkey and New Zealand to mark the centenary.

Allied operation

The national flags of Australia, New Zealand, Turkey and the UK
were carried through Westminster Abbey and placed close to the
high altar as a sign of reconciliation between old enemies.
Dean of Westminster Dr John Hall, (C) speaks with Queen Elizabeth
Dean of Westminster Dr John Hall spoke about the "courage of the men of Gallipoli"

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Flag bearers enter the Service of Commemoration at Westminster Abbey

Flag bearers represented the nations of the Gallipoli and Anzac campaigns

The eight-month campaign on the Gallipoli peninsula in Turkey was
one of the bloodiest of the war and the first to involve troops from
Australia and New Zealand.

The allied operation was an attempt to force the Ottoman empire out of the war.

The Very Reverend Dr John Hall, Dean of Westminster, told the congregation:
"We honour today the courage of the men at Gallipoli.

"The memory of the Great War provides for us warning and encouragement.
We are warned that war must involve terrible suffering and death. We are
encouraged by the spirit of national pride and determination shown by
those we remember this Anzac Day."

At dawn the Prince of Wales, together with Prince Harry, attended a ceremony
at the Anzac commemorative site in Turkey.

Military personnel from various countries prepare to march past the Cenotaph
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Military personnel from various countries took part in the memorial parade

Large crowds watched as servicemen and women joined military veterans at the commemoration

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Relatives of veterans

At the Cenotaph, the Queen joined crowds paying tribute to the 131,000 troops
who died during the Gallipoli campaign - including some 25,000 British military
personnel and 10,000 from Australia and New Zealand. Descendants of veterans
and representatives from countries involved in the operation attended the ceremony.

And the principal party leaders - breaking off from the general election campaign -
were also in attendance.In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish
Secretary Alistair Carmichael joined veterans and members of the public to mark
the anniversary at the Scottish National War Memorial at Edinburgh Castle.

Queen Elizabeth II lays a wreath during a service to commemorate ANZAC day

The Queen took part in a two-minute silence before laying a wreath at the Cenotaph

David Cameron lays a wreath at the Cenotaph

PM David Cameron was among those who also laid a wreath

Queen, Philip and William hold minute silence

The Duke of Edinburgh and the Duke of Cambridge joined the Queen

Earlier, the Princess Royal took part in a dawn service at Hyde Park Corner,
where crowds gathered to watch her laying a wreath at Wellington Arch.

And the Duke of Edinburgh joined a service of remembrance at St Paul's Cathedral in London.

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At the scene: Daniel Boettcher, BBC News

Queen Elizabeth II (C), prepares to lay a wreath during a commemorative ceremony
marking Anzac dayThose gathered at the Cenotaph today heard music led by the massed
bands - pieces drawn from some of the countries that took part in the Gallipoli campaign.

Those waiting along Whitehall listened in silence: service personnel, veterans of more
recent conflicts, and members of military associations including the Gallipoli Association.
Also present were descendants of those who fought in the campaign.

Among those watching was 10-year-old Edward Jackson, wearing the medals of his
great-grandfather, Commander Arthur Mallet, who served in the Royal Navy and was
injured during the conflict.

Near the Cenotaph, artist Nadir Imamoglu, who was born in Turkey but has lived in the
UK for 40 years, has set up a sculpture based on a larger one he has created at the
National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire.

It is made of young oak trees to reflect the ages of the men fighting at Gallipoli - the
bare branches reaching into the sky. The sculptor explains this represents the arms of
those injured in battle reaching out for help.

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The Gallipoli campaign

1915-16

350,000 British troops, 25,000 died

79,000 French troops, 10,000 died

74,000 Anzac troops, 10,000 died

400,000 Turkish troops, 86,000 died

Source: Prof Carl Bridge, King’s College London

Among other events held on Saturday at Gallipoli:
◾Australia has been remembering its dead at a ceremony at the Lone Pine site
◾Turkey is holding a service at the Turkish 57th Regimental Memorial
◾New Zealanders are remembering their dead at the other upper level battleground of Chanuk Bair

Anzac Memorial London
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A dawn service was held at Wellington Arch, Hyde Park Corner

Hyde Park Corner memorial

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Members of the public attended the early morning service in London

Maori dancers at Hyde Park Corner
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Maori dancers took part in the dawn service

At dawn on 25 April 1915, thousands of allied troops launched an amphibious
attack on the strategically-important Gallipoli peninsula, which was key to
controlling the Dardanelles strait, a crucial route to the Black Sea and Russia.

Prince Charles at Gallipoli

At the service in Turkey Prince Charles read letters written during the campaign by two soldiers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32460946

[Cidersomerset]

I cannot watch this movie very often as it is sad and shows the futility of war
especially at the end. Though it is a excellent movie of its kind and shows
how patriotism and war fervour can sweep many up in wartime. This has
always happened to different degrees most recently in America in the wake
of the 9/11 false flag attacks.
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Gallipoli.1981.360p (full film)

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Published on 28 May 2012

I DONT OWN ANY RIGHTS OF THE MOVIE AND THE MUSIC..peter weir's masterpiece in full hd


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The Gallipoli Catastrophe Documentary

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Published on 16 Aug 2013


The Gallipoli Campaign, also known as the Dardanelles Campaign or the Battle
of Gallipoli or the Battle of Çanakkale (Turkish: Çanakkale Savaşı), took place
on the Gallipoli peninsula (Gelibolu in modern Turkey) in the Ottoman Empire
between 25 April 1915 and 9 January 1916, during World War I. Aiming to
secure a sea route to Russia, the British and French launched a naval campaign
to force a passage through the Dardanelles. After the naval operation, an
amphibious landing was undertaken on the Gallipoli peninsula, to capture the
Ottoman capital of Constantinople (Istanbul).[6] After eight months the land
campaign also failed with many casualties on both sides, and the invasion
force was withdrawn to Egypt.

The campaign was one of the greatest Ottoman victories during the war and is
considered a major failure of the Allies. In Turkey, it is perceived as a defining
moment in the nation's history—a final surge in the defence of the motherland
as the Ottoman Empire crumbled. The struggle formed the basis for the Turkish
War of Independence and the founding of the Republic of Turkey eight years later
under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, a commander at Gallipoli. The campaign is often
considered to mark the birth of national consciousness in Australia and New
Zealand and the date of the landing 25 April, is known as "Anzac Day". It remains
the most significant commemoration of military casualties and veterans there,
surpassing Remembrance Day (Armistice Day).

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Gallipoli The Untold Stories WWI │Full Documentary

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Published on 13 Nov 2014


This is a must have for all those interested in Australians at war and how the Anzac
legend was forged, and reflects on the impact Gallipoli had on everyday Australians
then and now. It includes never-before seen interviews with the last ten Gallipoli
Anzacs, includes rare black and white film footage showing the beach and the
trenches at Gallipoli, rarely seen images from The Age and war photographer Phillip
Schuler.

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of Turkish movies showing the events of the Gallipoli campaign from the
the defenders of their country , homeland . Its easy to give the enemy no face
or some propaganda version of 'Johnny Turk' 'The Hun' , 'Bosch' or Iraqi , Syrian
Al -Qaeda or even ISIL , we are all human beings and the futility of war is more
evident than ever , yet we still seem unable to stop this from happening somewhere
in the world everyday. This film has no subtitles but is relatively easy to follow ,
especially if you are familiar with the events shown in the videos in the above posts,
It is a movie rather than documentary so some scenes are obviously playing to
the audience , some of the CGI is not realistic and the Allied commander seems to
have an American or could be Canadian ascent , but it does give you a feel of what
the allies faced on the opposite side as they got bogged down on the beeches , and
gives a face to the Turkish defenders.

ÇANAKKALE (GALLIPOLI) 1915

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This is slightly different take than the above movie which gave a rough overlay
of the entire Gallipoli campaign from the abortive attack thru the dardanelles ,
to the landing and subsequence withdrawal of the Allied expeditionary force.
In the face of the stoick defending of the Turkish forces.

This one is more localised and follows family members called up and are
sent to Suvla Bay to defend against the ANZAC forces.


Canakkale Yolun Sonu (2013)

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[Tangri]

This was unprecedented assault to a sovereign country, which did not participate any of German's invasive war. Otomons Empire's involved WWI because 2 German war ships (Goeben and Breslau) distinguished with Otomans' uniform and flag, attacked Russian trade ships.

Turks took this as an experience and did not involved to German's WWII adventure.


The campaign is often considered to mark the birth of national consciousness in Australia and New Zealand and the date of the landing 25 April, is known as "Anzac Day". They didn't even know why they were for fighting.

Colony people of Grate Britain questioned their involvement for queen's interest(oil reserves) after this tragedy.

We must remember why 10.000.000 soldiers and 15 millions civics lost their life, without giving any credit to the individual race.
Wars always occur for money and power and only a handful individuals benefit it.

Russel Crowe's The water Diviner movie digs some backgrounds.


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[Tesseract]

The modern ANZAC day, virtually a festivity, makes me want to vomit, and it has done since the Howard era when the occasion was used to drum up support for Australia's fascist little imperial adventure in Iraq and the murder of 100000s. Maybe they did that too in the Vietnam era, but I wasn't around to witness it if that was the case. Even now, post-Iraq/Afghanistan it is used to ensure a basis of support for any military activity no matter how abhorrent. How many of these service attendees go and vote for the warmongers as readily as they attend a dawn service? They aren't there to reflect on the tragedy of war, for they have no empathy with which to achieve that. It's a fashion statement, a place to be seen, a pat on the back to oneself, a delusion of understanding and appreciation. Do you think even 1 in 10 of these people would turn out to an anti-war protest? Not a chance in hell. Because outside of ANZAC day the majority don't devote a second of their lives to thinking about war, besides they'd be too terrified of being accused of lacking patriotism.



How many of these people who went to Turkey and listened to Erdogan's speech know that just across the border he is supporting Islamic fascists more vile than the Imperial Japanese that bombed Australia? And what about Abbott? Senior member of the Australian warmonger party, senior member of the government that invaded Iraq. How many know that Erdogan's cronies tried to orchestrate a false flag artillery attack so that Turkey could send troops into Syria? How many have or had any empathy whatsoever for the troops of Iraq or Syria or Libya? Virtually none, all they know is Australia right or wrong.



It didn't used to be like this. It used to be quieter, a time for more personal reflection and remembrance. There wasn't any flag-waving, it wasn't a day for this childish patriotism and choreographed spectacle of 'remembrance'.

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Thanks for the posts Steve. I'll watch those videos when I get more time.

WW1 wasn't so much about oil as it was about territory and elites trying to stabilise their various empires. All the empires at that time were in decline and there was a real fear amongst the elite that labour movements would revolt (as later happened in Russia). It has been mentioned in the past (by others) that a possible reason for the first world war was to control the working class. This was done by decimating their numbers while instilling the notion of the Nation State and creating a "national identity" through the shared experiences of war (as noted by others above, Turkey's national identity was created in this way by WW1) .

Anyway... Back to the Australian experience.

It is largely now forgotten that there were many in Australia who opposed the War and viewed it as a waste of life and resources.

This is best illustrated through the mining township of Broken Hill.

In 1915, Broken Hill was the site of the first "terrorist attack" in Australian history.

A number of people, who viewed themselves as loyal servants of the Ottoman Sultan, attacked the New Years Day picnic killing 6 people and injuring 7 others.

Wikipedia has a good page on it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill).

This is where the internment in Australia of people viewed as being a risk during war time started. Mostly these were people with no interest in their former country or any war and just wanted to get on with their lives. For the State it was an excuse to create an "other" and a controlled sense of anxiety (the old "enemy within" rhetoric) which, of course, led to an increased number signing up.

In November 1915 the Australian Government was either told or decided that the number of Australian's enlisted were insufficient. As a result there was a concerted push to increase enlistment through a letter campaign. Every male between the ages of 18 and 44 was sent a letter. This is a classic example of State sanctioned manipulation and was well documented at the time:

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Queanbeyan Age, Friday 26th November 1915, page 2 (source (http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31668302))

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The Mercury (Hobart, Tasmania), Friday 26th November 1915, page 6 (source (http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10437357))

This brings me to what I was saying about Broken Hill's opposition to State imposed service during WW1.

For those who might be interested I've uploaded a copy of an excellent 2007 paper by Paul Adams titled:
Labors Volunteer Army: The Fight Against The 1916 Conscription Referendum In Broken Hill (http://apanopticview.drivehq.com/docs/laborsVolunteerArmy-TheFightAgainstThe1916ConscriptionReferendumInBrokenHill--Adams2007.pdf) (~700Kb pdf)

Adams details the fascinating story surrounding the opposition to conscription in Broken Hill. The nation wide referendum on conscription was held twice and in both cases defeated (the first narrowly the second with a slightly increased majority).

For a township that was the site of such a major attack to only a couple of years later vote overwhelmingly against forcing men to fight is, for me, interesting.

The question asked in the first (1916) referendum was:


Are you in favour of the Government having, in this grave emergency, the same compulsory powers over citizens in regard to requiring their military service, for the term of this war, outside the Commonwealth, as it now has in regard to military service within the Commonwealth?
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_plebiscite,_1916)

In Broken Hill a concerted campaign by Union's and various women's organisations led to very real division and violence in the community. Adams documents this very well so I wont water it down with highlights.

On October 28th 1916 the referendum was held. As Adams points out:

Australia-wide, with over two million voters, there was a majority of 72,480 against the motion in the referendum. In Broken Hill - and much more decisively - there were 3,858 votes for 'Yes' and 8,922 for 'No'.
Source (http://apanopticview.drivehq.com/docs/laborsVolunteerArmy-TheFightAgainstThe1916ConscriptionReferendumInBrokenHill--Adams2007.pdf)

Such a marked difference in the Broken Hill vote from the national could be viewed as a major win for grass root organisation and community driven movements.

The national vote reflected a growing disaffection with the Government and the war due to the large loss of life felt throughout the country.

This was also a major defeat for Prime Minister Billy Hughes who, after the second referendum loss resigned as PM (only to be reinstated by the Governor General later).

The other thing that came out of it was Australian troops on the front line were undermanned and, without relief troops, fatigued from constantly being in battle.

So, Broken Hill was the first Australian township to be attacked by a terrorist group, had a large number of residents volunteer and also had the largest anti-conscription vote in the Country.

Pesky those notions of self determination through collective action.

That's why governments don't like them.

-- Pan

[Ellisa]

I must say that ANZAC day is rapidly becoming a celebration not a commemoration. This year it came very nearly a farce with the hi-jacking of the day by ads offering just about anything. The worst idea was the Gallipoli Camp, in which people slept in the open (or in tents) to be like the diggers--- all for $129, dinner and breakfast included. I thought that rather sickening.

Those 1915 diggers were in fact certain why they were enlisting. It was to help defend The Empire, and they wanted to prove that they could fight as well as the troops from the Mother Country. Many joined up as an adventure. It was a different time, and we think they were wrong--- But they did well, fighting fiercely, and though many died, some gained medals and fame.

As it turned out, the day this year went better than I expected. It all became much more solemn than usual, and there seemed more sincerity too. I do not like ANZAC Day usually, but this year it had more meaning. Perhaps personally that is because I know a lady in her late 80s who was able to get one of the scarce tickets to the Gallipoli service. Her father (who survived) was awarded the MIlitary Medal there, and she wanted to remember him on the spot 100 years ago. She herself is a small, lively lady, who is gradually losing her eyesight, but she has the courage to go around the world to honour her father. There must be something in it Tesseract, that you and I are missing!

Added Later There was some opposition to the war Pan, and this led to the later opposition to conscription, which was not imposed in WW1. The troops (by now in France) were twice given a vote, and, surprisingly they came out in favour! However the civilian population did not support it and the referendums(a?) failed. As a result all the Australian soldiers in WW1 were volunteers not conscripts. This was pointed out to the British commanders when the Australians refused to kill deserters.

[panopticon]

The modern ANZAC day, virtually a festivity, makes me want to vomit, and it has done since the Howard era when the occasion was used to drum up support for Australia's fascist little imperial adventure in Iraq and the murder of 100000s. Maybe they did that too in the Vietnam era, but I wasn't around to witness it if that was the case. Even now, post-Iraq/Afghanistan it is used to ensure a basis of support for any military activity no matter how abhorrent. How many of these service attendees go and vote for the warmongers as readily as they attend a dawn service? They aren't there to reflect on the tragedy of war, for they have no empathy with which to achieve that. It's a fashion statement, a place to be seen, a pat on the back to oneself, a delusion of understanding and appreciation. Do you think even 1 in 10 of these people would turn out to an anti-war protest? Not a chance in hell. Because outside of ANZAC day the majority don't devote a second of their lives to thinking about war, besides they'd be too terrified of being accused of lacking patriotism.

How many of these people who went to Turkey and listened to Erdogan's speech know that just across the border he is supporting Islamic fascists more vile than the Imperial Japanese that bombed Australia? And what about Abbott? Senior member of the Australian warmonger party, senior member of the government that invaded Iraq. How many know that Erdogan's cronies tried to orchestrate a false flag artillery attack so that Turkey could send troops into Syria? How many have or had any empathy whatsoever for the troops of Iraq or Syria or Libya? Virtually none, all they know is Australia right or wrong.

It didn't used to be like this. It used to be quieter, a time for more personal reflection and remembrance. There wasn't any flag-waving, it wasn't a day for this childish patriotism and choreographed spectacle of 'remembrance'.

I agree.

I always reflect on the horror of war at this time.

My family history of WW1 involves all my male relatives (both Grandfathers and all my Great Uncles) fighting for their new country (that is except for one of the brothers who was not allowed to get naturalised because he wrote down the "wrong" nationality on his application). All survived, though one of my Grandfathers was wounded 3 times (with the final resulting in his leg being amputated high on the thigh) and the other never recovering psychologically and committing suicide by shotgun in the late 1930's.

You never read about dysentery, influenza, rats, lice, mustard gas, the injured moaning/crying/screaming or the abject horror that were all part and parcel of the trench war on the Western Front. It always gets glorified into something else that is more palatable to the modern viewer (we are sold a story of rain and mud with bullets flying over head, artillery fire [often in the distance] and sometimes freezing conditions which "our boys" survived with stoicism while waiting to fight the enemy valiantly, without mention of summary execution for those too scared to "go over the top").

I think this does us and them a disservice.

All eligible males members of my family fought in WW2 (with one Great Uncle lying about his age and signing up at 63!) and all returned damaged in some way or another.

Every year I remember them. Every year I honour their decision to serve.

I agree that ANZAC Day has become commercialised and that it is not a good thing.

It promotes national identity and the idea of the Nation State as the ultimate embodiment of protection and authority.

Patriotism is dangerous and when mixed with religious overtones it is even more so.

Interestingly I've never been challenged for my lack of "patriotism" (what a bloody horrible notion that thing is).

Maybe it's my winning personality. :bearhug:

-- Pan

[panopticon]

I must say that ANZAC day is rapidly becoming a celebration not a commemoration. This year it came very nearly a farce with the hi-jacking of the day by ads offering just about anything. The worst idea was the Gallipoli Camp, in which people slept in the open (or in tents) to be like the diggers--- all for $129, dinner and breakfast included. I thought that rather sickening.

Those 1915 diggers were in fact certain why they were enlisting. It was to help defend The Empire, and they wanted to prove that they could fight as well as the troops from the Mother Country. Many joined up as an adventure. It was a different time, and we think they were wrong--- But they did well, fighting fiercely, and though many died, some gained medals and fame.

As it turned out, the day this year went better than I expected. It all became much more solemn than usual, and there seemed more sincerity too. I do not like ANZAC Day usually, but this year it had more meaning. Perhaps personally that is because I know a lady in her late 80s who was able to get one of the scarce tickets to the Gallipoli service. Her father (who survived) was awarded the MIlitary Medal there, and she wanted to remember him on the spot 100 years ago. She herself is a small, lively lady, who is gradually losing her eyesight, but she has the courage to go around the world to honour her father. There must be something in it Tesseract, that you and I are missing!

Added Later There was some opposition to the war Pan, and this led to the later opposition to conscription, which was not imposed in WW1. The troops (by now in France) were twice given a vote, and, surprisingly they came out in favour! However the civilian population did not support it and the referendums(a?) failed. As a result all the Australian soldiers in WW1 were volunteers not conscripts. This was pointed out to the British commanders when the Australians refused to kill deserters.

Thanks Ellisa.

I'd not heard about the "Gallipoli Camp".

I went looking and found this:


What is Camp Gallipoli

The “spirit of Anzac” is in the DNA of every Aussie and Kiwi. It is the one thing that unites Australians and New Zealanders from all walks of life and cultures, rich or poor, young or old.

Camp Gallipoli is a once in a lifetime opportunity for all Australians and New Zealanders to come together on the 100th anniversary of the landings at Gallipoli to sleep out under the stars as the original Anzacs did 100 years ago.

Mates coming together on one special night to commemorate the deeds of those brave Anzac’s one hundred years ago, eating great tucker, watching historic footage on huge screens, seeing iconic entertainers live on stage and camping in authentic swags will in itself create history. In addition the Dawn Service honouring those who have fallen will be something you and your family will never forget.
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These special events will be respectful and informative...
Source (https://www.campgallipoli.com.au/)
But I note that they didn't 'sleep out under the stars as the original Anzacs did 100 years ago' because in Sydney the weather made them shift somewhere more suitable (http://www.eqmoorepark.com.au/directory-map/)...

Though I might detest the notion of it, it is for a good cause and if that's what it takes to get people donating to Legacy then so be it.

My lot didn't actually enlist for the Empire or some distant King. They were a bit different, they chose Australia after visiting a number of times and deciding this was the best of a bad lot. They fought because they saw the possibility of Australia becoming a shining light of true democracy. They were young and naive I guess, though I live in hope... Bloody anarchists. They almost went to Spain in the 30's but family obligations got in the way, but that's another story.

I also didn't know that Aussie troops voted on conscription. I'm not surprised they voted for it given they were badly undermanned.

-- Pan

[panopticon]

For those who may not know...

The Australian Federal Police came about as a result of an anti-conscription protester throwing an egg at poor lil Billy Hughes.

Talk about a farce...

-- Pan

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The Aftermath

The defeat of the conscription referendum in 1916 caused a seismic shift in Australian politics. The Prime Minister Billy Hughes and the Premier of NSW were expelled from the Labor Party because they continued to advocate conscription. Hughes expecting a no confidence vote in his leadership walked out of a caucus meeting with 23 of the 65 members present. The breakaway group formed the National Labor Party. This new party formed a temporary administration with the conservative Nationalist opposition. Two months later in January 1917, the Liberals were admitted to the government. The I.W.W. 12 went on trial for conspiracy to commit arson and sedition on the 4th of December 1916 – all 12 were found guilty and were sentenced to 5 to 15 years hard labour.

A Workers Defence and Release Committee was set up to campaign to get the men out of prison. W. A. Holman the former Labor Premier and ex-socialist who was expelled from the Labor Party for continuing to advocate conscription, won the NSW election held early in 1917 as a member of the newly formed Nationalist Party. The Nationalists won on the back of the fallout of the I.W.W. conspiracy trials in Sydney. NSW workers, feeling the brunt of the war effort at home, went on a general strike in early August 1917 paralysing the State. The strike was defeated when non union workers were brought in to do the unionists work. Billy Hughes, buoyed by Holman’s election victory in NSW, concerned about a hostile Senate’s ability to block the extension of the term for his government, used the public consternation caused by the NSW general strike and the jailing of the I.W.W. as an excuse to call an early election which his new party – the Nationalists – won handsomely. Many believed the Labor Party had blown its brains out and was a spent political force. In government with a healthy majority, the Hughes led Nationalist government pulled out all stops to punish the I.W.W. The I.W.W. was declared illegal, its publications banned, its assets seized and its members were sentenced to 6 months hard labour for belonging to a banned organisation. Monty Miller the grand old man of labour politics – a Eureka veteran and an I.W.W. member, who had been convicted of seditions conspiracy in 1916 in W.A. for his anti war activities, was sentenced at the age of 86 to 6 months hard labour. Both men and women were sentenced to the maximum term for membership of the I.W.W. which was now an illegal organisation.

Billy Hughes, buoyed by his success at crushing the I.W.W., announced on the day of the Bolshevik revolution the 17th of November 1917 that a second conscription referendum would be held in December 1917. Hughes faced open resistance from the Ryan led Queensland Labor government. While on a whistle stop tour in Warwick Queensland, an egg was thrown at the PM. Senior Sergent Kenny refused to arrest the man who had thrown the egg, telling the PM he was an officer of the Queensland government and only responsible to the Queensland government. Hughes contacted the Queensland Premier who refused to take any further action. Hughes furious at the rebuff, returned to Federal Parliament and passed legislation that created the Commonwealth Police - the forerunner of the Federal Police. Its time, considering the Federal Police’s keystone cop attitude to current security issues, they adopted a Federal Police office climbing out of a broken egg as their official emblem.

Hughes promised Australians that if the second conscription referendum failed, he would resign. The NO majority was 72,476 in the first conscription referendum in 1916; the NO majority had increased to 166,588 at the second referendum in 1917. Although Hughes resigned, he convinced the Governor General to recommission him to form a government. The same Ministry took office again after his farcical resignation.

Source (http://www.3cr.org.au/files/The%20Anzac%20Myth%20-%20booklet.pdf) pg 15-16

[Cidersomerset]

WW 1 was basically the end of the old imperial Empires especially in Europe with
the Prussian , Russians , Hapsburgs and Ottomans.Though it took WW11 to end
the Japanese ,and see the decline of the French and British . Leaving the Soviet,
Chinese and US empires to fill the void. Now even the US led NATO has become
impotent in the ' War on Terror ' meme created after the fall of communism in the
1990's by TPTB in the guise of the Neo -cons and the 'New American Century'
doctrine which we are living in now.

Obviously there is much more nuances in all this and there are hundreds of dots to
connect on the ground in this 'problem reaction solution psyop ' basically inflamed
by the 9/11 'false flag' attack on New York. Although it had been ticking away all
along in the Middle East and other flashpoints in Asia , South America and even in
the Balkans after the split up of Yugoslavia.

The point is although this has always gone on thru out history with empire
succeeding empire from Babylon to Iraq which must have some symmetry ,..LOL .
Its now becoming clear many of these events are orchestrated for the benefit of
the 1% , which leads to the question posed by the likes of David Ickes and others
and many more now . Who are they ? and are they human ? Do they thrive in
chaos and live off the essence , and adrenalin given off when humans are in fear
and what better way to keep an on going supply than war and terror. For humans
dieing happy in their beds of old age is not very appetizing to them.

Now the last paragraph is speculation and based on info discussed in the alternate
community for decades. Mainstream academics laugh and basically say some
humans are just evil / greedy /ambitious etc or its the will of god , nations easily
led , which is true to a degree with propaganda, manipulation, subtle mind games ,
populations can be stirred up in a frenzy of patriotic fervour , which was especially
emphasised in WW1, and most recently after 9/11 .

Now this has slightly strayed off ANZAC day , but as with all memorial days around
the world are connected to the bigger picture. There have been articles going back
to Ottoman atrocities against the Armenians in April 1915 wars, in the last
few days and Turkey is on the front line against ISIL in Syria today. Some say they
are helping them ?


So basically we seem to be in a cycle of Wars that when you look at history seem to
be repeating themselves over and over again. The United Nations, the UN were set
up to bring nations together and stop major wars , which it may have done to a
degree , but the threat of major conflict is still with us with the ramping up of
propaganda against Russia and Iran .

On a basic level war means profit for the mil ind complexand 'Banksters' who do
not spill their blood on the battlefield on the whole . But it also brings misery and
suffering.So is this all a manmade virtual war movie ? or is there more to it. There
are natural disasters happening regularly and an earth quake in Nepal killed 2000
or so , and millions die every day of all manner of causes from slipping in the
shower to being in a road accident. So birth and death is part of the natural cycle
as we perceive it on this plain.

Anyway some sunday morning ramblings ....LOL...Steve


This is a very good summery about ISIS/ISIL , 30 yr War ? Richest terror group
ever selling oil to Turkey, weapons and funds from the usual suspects , Banksters,
corporate oil , and other backers and more....

The Origins of ISIS
new Sunday 26th April 2015 at 08:35 By David Icke

PMlck4IZXsk

https://vimeo.com/121067922
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

UN: Slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians is not genocide
http://worldisraelnews.com/un-slaughter-of-1-5-million-armenians-is-not-genocide/

Legacy of War

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/legacy-war/

Nepal earthquake live: Death toll nears 2,000 as rescue effort intensifies

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/nepal-earthquake-live-nearly-2000-dead-as-rescue-teams-rush-to-disaster-zone-in-kathmandu-10204470.html