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elysian
18th November 2010, 15:21
I really like this video. It reminds me of how Dolores Cannon explains the 2012 scenario.
http://vimeo.com/16830337
shiva777
18th November 2010, 15:32
...new-agey escapism and complacency programming ...some truths mixed with lullabuy's,warm milk and honey ..
truthseekerdan
18th November 2010, 15:45
Also see this post with Keisha: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7480-An-appeal-to-LOVE-by-Kiesha-Crowther-her-visit-to-Holland-on-the-27th-of-Oct.-2010&p=70351#post70351
Snowbird
19th November 2010, 04:22
...new-agey escapism and complacency programming ...some truths mixed with lullabuy's,warm milk and honey ..
Shiva, I would really love to read your full and extended thoughts based upon the above.
I cannot for the life of me figure where one would get the impression that the Mayans and Native American tribes could possibly be considered new-agey escapism. And from where does complacency stem? Is this to indicate that the people of earth should rise up and attempt to prevent a pole shift and the huge and mammoth four global, universal and galactic cycles that are ending around 2012? Does this mean that the people of earth should not look forward to a new age that is the opposite of what we now endure?
There exist those who benefit from the deep scientific studies as well as those who benefit from messages that stem straight from the heart, filled with loving intent. There are also those who benefit from both types of messages. To each his/her own.
I very much enjoy listening to Little Grandmother speak and I totally absorb her messages because they are so loving. I also very much enjoy listening to many other very knowledgeable people who have much to say and much to teach.
shadowstalker
19th November 2010, 04:55
...new-agey escapism and complacency programming ...some truths mixed with lullabuy's,warm milk and honey ..
Yes please point out where you see new agie escapism stuff from the vid. and please point out where you see complacency programming.
What I got from this was what I have been hearing for years, even on this forum, to just be the change you wish to see and to be love.
I like this vid thank you elysian
Beth
19th November 2010, 05:07
No worries people, Shiva has some charts to share with you all. Believe me, they solve everyone's problems.
sjkted
19th November 2010, 05:17
What about the sheeple? Will they go to the new Earth? Will they become enlightened?
She doesn't bother defining enlightenment. And, how does she know she will become enlightened if she is not right now?
I'm getting sick of these mouth breeders. I used to be interested in some of this, but this is just the prelude to the new age religion. She doesn't know what she's talking about. She's just reading someone else's script, just like the actors do and just like the newscasters do.
I want intelligible discourse on this and real solutions. I have no more patience for just sit down and meditate and the NWO will evaporate and the world will be beautiful and everyone will be happy. We need to grow up here!
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
19th November 2010, 05:23
What about the sheeple? We need to grow up here!
--sjkted
Look in the mirror...
sjkted
19th November 2010, 05:26
No. You first.
--sjkted
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Seriously, dan. We have real problems here. Why don't we spend our time looking at real solutions?
If we have a new earth in 2012, that would be great. But, I have absolutely zero invested in that outcome and this is like religion in that it must be taken on faith.
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
19th November 2010, 05:37
Seriously, dan. We have real problems here. Why don't we spend our time looking at real solutions?
--sjkted
OK, so what do you suggest? Somebody else to do it for you?
This is a personal journey, that's why we have free will -- use it wisely...
Sorry for being too harsh to get my point across. :sorry:
sjkted
19th November 2010, 05:58
No, I spend all of my free time researching and working real life solutions. I could make a long laundry list of my own inner and outer preparations for the upcoming years, but I've already posted a lot of it elsewhere in Avalon.
Some things to consider:
- When you die, you will go to heaven (Christianity)
- When you die, you will get a hundred virgins (propaganda given to male suicide bomber)
- When you become enlightened, you will no longer need to reincarnate (Buddhism)
- When we reach 2012, we will activate our light body and live in 5D (new age)
I could go on and on with the various religions and belief systems of the world, but I think it's easy to see the common thread here.
Newsflash: we're in the worst economic times in our lifetimes or our parents lifetimes, we lose more and more civil liberties every day, and the world is going crazy. I don't think I need to go on here, but the point is that we have some really serious things to do here.
And, unless this new age is promising we don't need food and shelter and other basics for survival or that God will provide them for us, we need to work on this first.
We can see just by watching world leaders that we are in the middle of a big consolidation move. This includes countries becoming subservient to the IMF, World Bank, and UN and further consolidation of the US and Euro countries. One can see this just by watching the laws introduced and see them hit Europe first and then export to the US. This consolidation includes religion.
Part of establishing a new age religion is by knocking down beliefs held by various religions and attempting to "blend" (or harmonize -- their word if you read their literature) the rest of them together. One can see this with many of the new age preachers like Eckhart Tolle and the mainstream attention they are getting.
We don't need to focus on this. It's a waste of our energy. Spirituality is one thing, but religion consists of beliefs and dogma, which is basically just wishing and hoping that they are correct. I'm sorry not to be very upbeat on this, but this is a big part of the problem we've gotten ourselves into.
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
19th November 2010, 06:12
And your solution is... Oh, I got it [being angry].
http://thestepmomstoolbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Be_the_change_you_wish_to_see_in_th.jpg
sjkted
19th November 2010, 06:15
Do some searching on my contributions to this forum. I've posted a lot of solutions.
Some questions for you, Dan:
- In your own words, what is the difference between spirituality and religion?
- Do you feel that beliefs and dogma lead toward greater consciousness and personal growth?
- Do you think that all of our problems would go away if we just went to church every Sunday and spent three times or more per day in prayer?
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
19th November 2010, 06:22
Read here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion&highlight=spirituality+religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647hE6n4Wzg
sjkted
19th November 2010, 06:29
Question #1 answered:
- Do you feel that beliefs and dogma lead toward greater consciousness and personal growth?
The reason I asked your definition is because I wanted to understand whether you see new age literature as religion. I would be curious to hear you thoughts on the matter.
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
19th November 2010, 06:35
Simple answer is YES, and here is why... (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205:21-22&version=CEV)
sjkted
19th November 2010, 06:48
Since you brought up Thessalonians, do you see any difference between the new world and the coming of Jesus as the savior or a difference between the Christian version of rapture and what the new age religions call ascension?
--sjkted
shadowstalker
19th November 2010, 06:52
The ascension as been spoken of long before the the church bastardized the meaning of any spiritual teachings, simply to confuse/control people, you do know this right?
I think I am done with this thread,
sjkted
19th November 2010, 07:03
The ascension as been spoken of long before the the church bastardized the meaning of any spiritual teaching, to confuse people, you do know this right?
By whom? The church destroyed all of the native literature in the inquisition. How would we know what was spoken of prior to this?
--sjkted
shadowstalker
19th November 2010, 07:35
No the church did not destroy all the literature.
And to be quite honest, you would not believe the answer if I told you, on whom or what kind of people spoke of it, because you are to busy worrying about what the PTB want you to worry about, and your doing a mighty fine job of it to. and you don't even realize it. Stocking up for doomsday is not gonna make your life better, you will only make it happen.
You angry, frightened, and lost. just like a lot of good folks out there.
And when your ready to hear the better half of life, someone will come to you and tell you what your heart needs to hear, even if you may not want to believe it.
But it will be told to you and you will be guided the way you need to be guided in your heart.
But I must admit that the person to do that, is not me.
I don't have the words that would have you see different or know different.
Those words would have to come from your heart/guides when not in fear of things around you and when you are centered.
sjkted
19th November 2010, 07:59
Well, I'm glad someone has the answer.
Individual manifestation = stocking up for doomsday will make it happen
Is there such not any such thing as collective manifestation?
Did I manifest 9/11 or the Iraq war personally? If I didn't manifest them, would they have not occurred?
I have spoken with my guides when I am not in fear of things around me and while I am centered. In fact, I've been through Drunvalo's training and pretty much all of the light body series with Orin and Daben. And, I have received answers.
It's getting late and this is a big subject. The problem is I don't believe any of this anymore. I did at one time, but I've had quite a few moments of great consciousness -- one might call them peak experiences that have shown me this is all BS of the highest degree.
I'll post tomorrow on some of the details as it is getting late.
--sjkted
lightblue
19th November 2010, 10:44
Well, I'm glad someone has the answer.
Individual manifestation = stocking up for doomsday will make it happen
Is there such not any such thing as collective manifestation?
Did I manifest 9/11 or the Iraq war personally? If I didn't manifest them, would they have not occurred?
I have spoken with my guides when I am not in fear of things around me and while I am centered. In fact, I've been through Drunvalo's training and pretty much all of the light body series with Orin and Daben. And, I have received answers.
It's getting late and this is a big subject. The problem is I don't believe any of this anymore. I did at one time, but I've had quite a few moments of great consciousness -- one might call them peak experiences that have shown me this is all BS of the highest degree.
I'll post tomorrow on some of the details as it is getting late.
--sjkted
please do so ... l've keenly followed your postings and i am very grateful to you - one of your insights in particular helped me come to a very very important realisation...thanks :thank_you2: l
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bashi
19th November 2010, 16:40
a small reality check here, pls: Wasn't the thread closed before?
lightblue
19th November 2010, 16:47
a small reality check here, pls: Wasn't the thread closed before?
which thread closed before :unsure: ? and what it's got to do with this one? :blink: l
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shadowstalker
19th November 2010, 19:06
Well, I'm glad someone has the answer.
Individual manifestation = stocking up for doomsday will make it happen
Is there such not any such thing as collective manifestation?
Did I manifest 9/11 or the Iraq war personally? If I didn't manifest them, would they have not occurred?
I have spoken with my guides when I am not in fear of things around me and while I am centered. In fact, I've been through Drunvalo's training and pretty much all of the light body series with Orin and Daben. And, I have received answers.
It's getting late and this is a big subject. The problem is I don't believe any of this anymore. I did at one time, but I've had quite a few moments of great consciousness -- one might call them peak experiences that have shown me this is all BS of the highest degree.
I'll post tomorrow on some of the details as it is getting late.
--sjkted
I love it when folks misinterpret me, shows me how Folks really pay attention. it also shows how over the edge and over reactive folks tend to be at times.
Well believe what you need to believe it's all good, I am not here to sway you that is against my nature.
Well Like i said i don't have the words that would have you see tings in a different way. As you have already centered your self to misinterpret what I have tried to say. And tried to over generalize what had been said..
I guess I just worry about thing less then you I suppose.
bashi
19th November 2010, 19:26
which thread closed before :unsure: ? and what it's got to do with this one? :blink: l
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i think i saw this one closed. was it another timeline? garbled brainwaves?
bashi
19th November 2010, 19:29
sjkted:
what do you do for your own personal spiritual development?
lightblue
19th November 2010, 19:43
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i think i saw this one closed. was it another timeline? garbled brainwaves?
no... won't get closed...this is an interesting thread... i really want to keep being posted on keisha's whereabouts... dan's been good about that.. l
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bashi
19th November 2010, 19:46
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no... won't get closed...this is an interesting thread... i really want to keep being posted on keisha's whereabouts... dan's been good about that.. l
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don't worry, my mistake
misty_moon5
19th November 2010, 20:16
..new-agey escapism and complacency programming ...some truths mixed with lullabuy's,warm milk and honey ..
I am Native American from the Cree Tribe and have stories from our elders about what will happen 2012 ... with Mother Earth ... what Keisha says has some truth to it .. but to translate from our Cree Language to english the translation loses its meaning. As Keepers of this Land ... we were told to keep the Land .. Mother Earth as Prestine as possible ... There is so much more that are taught to us from Childhood to Adulthood ... nothing that you will ever learn in the school system ... what was and is taught is Ancient Knowlege....
My question, for Keisha would be who gave her the right to have the title as Shaman??? A shaman has knowledge that is taught from birth and is born with a special gift and is taken under the wing of the Elders to be protected & learn the ancient knowledge.
yiolas
19th November 2010, 23:05
..new-agey escapism and complacency programming ...some truths mixed with lullabuy's,warm milk and honey ..
I am Native American from the Cree Tribe and have stories from our elders about what will happen 2012 ... with Mother Earth ... what Keisha says has some truth to it .. but to translate from our Cree Language to english the translation loses its meaning. As Keepers of this Land ... we were told to keep the Land .. Mother Earth as Prestine as possible ... There is so much more that are taught to us from Childhood to Adulthood ... nothing that you will ever learn in the school system ... what was and is taught is Ancient Knowlege....
My question, for Keisha would be who gave her the right to have the title as Shaman??? A shaman has knowledge that is taught from birth and is born with a special gift and is taken under the wing of the Elders to be protected & learn the ancient knowledge.
Hi Misty Moon, welcome to Avalon ! I personally love Little Grandmother's message.
I always feel tremendous calmness after I listen to her.
This video might answer your questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jt3ifzJqBM
Fredkc
19th November 2010, 23:20
Hi Misty_Moon, and welcome.
Yiolas beat me to it, but she has cooler sunglasses, anyway.
Just for fun, here is a collection of Sioux Legends. (http://fredsitelive.com/books/nonfiction/section1/sioux_legends.htm)
Mostly good stories for kinds.
Fred
truthseekerdan
20th November 2010, 01:01
I am Native American from the Cree Tribe and have stories from our elders about what will happen 2012 ... with Mother Earth ... what Keisha says has some truth to it .. but to translate from our Cree Language to english the translation loses its meaning. As Keepers of this Land ... we were told to keep the Land .. Mother Earth as Prestine as possible ... There is so much more that are taught to us from Childhood to Adulthood ... nothing that you will ever learn in the school system ... what was and is taught is Ancient Knowlege....
My question, for Keisha would be who gave her the right to have the title as Shaman??? A shaman has knowledge that is taught from birth and is born with a special gift and is taken under the wing of the Elders to be protected & learn the ancient knowledge.
Welcome misty_moon, glad to have you on this forum. :wave:
You can find more info about Keisha at this link here: http://littlegrandmother.net/
Hope to hear more from you, be blessed my friend. :love:
truthseekerdan
20th November 2010, 01:11
I decided to include some facts here about Keisha (Little Grandmother) -- Source: http://littlegrandmother.net/URGENTMESSAGEFROMLG.aspx
Is Kiesha Really Native American? Is she a Legitimate Shaman?
Kiesha’s maternal side of the family is Sioux and Salish, and comes from the Flathead Reservation in Montana. Even though Kiesha did not grow up among tribal traditions, and had grown up away from the tribe, she was nevertheless made a shaman and recognized as a shaman by the elders of this tribe at age 30 (she had actually been recognized and marked out at age 8 as a future shaman while attending a tribal ceremony.) However, (and this is important), Kiesha was told by these elders that her “tribe” was to be the “Tribe of Many Colors”. The elders were full aware that Kiesha did not know the indigenous ways… She was never intended to lead traditional ceremony in a tribal context, or to present herself as a representative of her particular tribe and its indigenous ways. To this day, she has never presented herself as a representative of her tribe’s traditions. Some people who have linked to her videos on the web or written about her may have incorrectly stated this association or made this assumption—but especially since she has become well-known, Kiesha has tried to never present or describe herself as a Sioux or Salish shaman. She is a Native American shaman, and this would be technically correct to say since she is part-Native American and was made shaman by her family’s tribe—However, she does not use this language because it implies that she is working within a traditional context. She has been taught to pray and lead ceremony in certain ways, and many of these are in fact traditional ways. But she does not pretend to know or to follow the traditions to a tee. That is not her role and purpose. If it were, she would have been summoned to move back to Montana and live among the tribe, serving as shaman there. While tribal members do occasionally seek her out and are referred to her for counsel, blessings, and healings (offered freely of course), her primary responsibility is to be shaman for the Tribe of Many Colors—which includes non-indigenous people of all backgrounds. Beyond her work as shaman, one of her major roles as wisdom-keeper is to speak and share the “messages” she receives with people all over the planet.
Who Recognizes Her as Shaman?
Not only has Kiesha been recognized by her family’s tribe as a shaman; in addition, she has been recognized as shaman of the “Tribe of Many Colors” by the spiritual elders of many indigenous tribes and peoples including the Cherokee, the Cheyenne, the Hopi, the Inuit, the Aboriginal people, the Waitaha, the Maori, the Maya, the Zulu, as well as the lamas of Nepal and Tibet. Gifts and medicine from these peoples began coming soon after she was initiated as shaman at age 30 and have been coming ever since. These peoples regard her as the incarnation of something very important—which Keisha has never wanted to make public or to give weight to. Frankly, the weight and responsibility of what many of these peoples regard her as is extremely intimidating to her and makes her anxious.
Kiesha’s elders are not from just one tribe—She is being guided by elders who comprise the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders from indigenous peoples all over the planet, as well as receiving direct teaching from spirit guides and indigenous elders past of several different traditions, including the Sioux and Salish. Whether this seems incredible and unbelievable to some, this is the case—If some people think that matters of utmost sacredness should conform to our cultural expectations and prerogatives, that Kiesha should be teaching tribal ways and if she is not then she cannot be a legitimate shaman and wisdom keeper--no one will be able to convince them otherwise. I personally have witnessed Kiesha receive teaching messages in Sioux (which she does not speak) from ancestors past. Why was a young white-looking woman who is not a full-blooded “Indian” and who grew up away from her ancestral tribe recognized as shaman by the tribal elders? This is a question to ask those who made her as shaman—she did not decide to become a shaman one day but was called to be.
Why do some Native Americans not know of her, and why do some Native Americans question her legitimacy?
Kiesha has received overwhelming support from indigenous people of many many tribes… There will always be individuals, both Native and non-Native, who question, who judge, who think that Kiesha is another white “imposter” appropriating Native American ways for profit. Unfortunately, our culture has too much of this, and it can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. Some people will be justifiably miffed that such a blond young white woman, not raised on the reservation, would be made shaman… passing over more suitable and appropriate candidates-- this might be the feeling of some people in her own family’s tribe, especially as many of them do not know her. But Kiesha, while Native American by blood and initiated by her family’s tribe, does not presume or pretend to present traditional Native ways and wisdom to the public. What she is speaking of includes and yet goes beyond indigenous prophecies and wisdom, and she does not teach the spiritual ways and customs of any particular tribe, but the wisdom she is taught by her spirit guides and asked to share, that crosses cultural boundaries. She is not implying that it is not important to preserve and present indigenous traditions in their fullness and purity, but only that it is not her role to do so, since she is not working in a tribal context but in a multicultural context. With utmost respect for her ancestral traditions, and for indigenous wisdom and ways, she has been taught that the time has come for all people to unite as children of one Mother, and to recognize a common brotherhood within the heart’s wisdom—that is neither indigenous nor non-indigenous, though the indigenous peoples of the earth hold powerful keys in remembering the way.
sjkted
27th November 2010, 04:23
Hi All,
Sorry for my prolonged absence. I have recently moved and have been delayed by pretty extreme snow and cold temperatures (for me) for the first time in my life and am slowly adapting to it.
First some details on religion. Religion seeks to provide humanity with solutions to the nearly universal human condition. There is some truth in all religions, but there are also different levels of truth. For example, when a civilization experiences an exceptional event that defies their immediate vocabulary, they come up with an epic story. The story may contain elements of the truth, but as it is passed from generation to generation, there are some substantial losses in meaning, kind of like playing the telephone game.
Some of my personal observations on religion:
- causes the mind to be a full pot (in other words, once a certain verion of reality has been accepted, the believer is unable to process any information that is contrary)
- causes people to subordinate themselves to a higher authority
- causes people to believe in things they have not personally experienced (and thus shut down their own processes of taking in information directly)
- sells people on the idea of hope
- reinforces the current power structure
- sells people that they need an entity such as a church to act as a liason between themself and higher powers
- sells people on prophecy -- a certain variety of events that is set to unfold in a certain way (belief in these events may cause them to manifest or at least for people to accept the events when they happen)
- creates dogma: enforces personal routine in order to harmonize with the religion
Now, I think it is necessary to separate spirituality from religion. Spirituality is one's personal connection to source. It does not require belief, hope, tithing, prayer, books and materials, or hope. Many religions contain elements of spirituality but IMO the two are very different things.
I've put in a very serious effort to get to the bottom of all of this and have read and researched nearly all of the world's main religions. My conclusion is that they are all related, all come from the same source, and are also a deliberate attempt to divide and conquer humanity.
One of the main problems we have is that none of the sources for practically anything is trustworthy. Consider all of the useless news put out by the MSM. If an archeologist were to find a copy of Time Magazine 5000 years in the future, they would certainly think that we were all mad. If we can't even accurately disseminate the truth as to what is really happening right now, how can we possibly conclude what has happened in the past?
That said, I've always been a truth seeker and have had many spiritual practices. I've spoken to my spirit guides, and here's a bit of the information I do remember quite clearly on a regular basis:
- We are all part of soul groups. These extend to immediate family as well as to related groups. Most of the people who are living in a particular area are in a similar extended group. In other words, they're all on the same track or course of life if you will. They are learning particular lessons and having shared group experiences that are unique to their geographic and social standing.
- Time does not exist. All things happen at the same time and we do not have the capacity to experience any more than what we do in the present moment.
- Matter does not exist. Only vibration does. Our minds create the concept of matter through the mind's perception of vibration.
- There is a literal battle between good and evil. It is waged on the spiritual side and on the physical side, although it is not what most people think of as a battle.
- Our lives are pre-planned, but we retain free will. In other words, certain events are bound to transpire although it is up to you to decide how to proceed in your life. In other words, you were destined to meet your spouce, although it was up to you to get married or to part your separate ways.
I've done quite a bit of searching on each of these and I consider them all to be quite sound. But, as I said earlier, there are different levels of truth, and mere acceptance of these does not preclude that there is a level beyond it and a level beyond that.
One topic I would encourage everyone to read on is demonology. Not because I like it (I don't). Not because it's entertaining. The reason is that it is a real phenomenon that deserves attention because as truthseekers, we ought to incorporate this into our worldview, similar to having an informed position on the UFO phonemonon.
My conclusion after a good deal of research and personal experience is that there is a battle between good and evil, but that it is largely a fake battle. The fake battle is between angels and demons, Christ and Lucifer, the Pleidians vs. the Annunaki, etc. After saying I accept these items my guides have told me on a level of realitve truth, I reject that they are all a truth on a higher level.
The real battle is a personal one. It has to do with how much sovereignty one is willing to have, whether one will resort to violence in the face of adversity, and how much each of us can expand our consciousness while we are here on this planet.
I am absolutely convinced that there is a group that is subverting humanity. This group exists beyond the realm of what we consider to be space and time. This is why we can so much as surmise that something is rotten beyond just a group of corrupt politicians, but can't ever understand. It's like playing a chess game against someone who is planning their moves five or six turns in advance and has already anticipated all of your possible moves. Another way to think about it would be to consider your own personal life and think back on any decisions you made that you would rather have done differently. If you had a time machine and could go back in time and do it differently, you can consider this is the type of power we are up against.
I've also noticed that my spirit guides always stray away from answering any of the hardball questions I give them. Their preferred method is to guide me towards books, resources, and people that results in a particular development of consciousness. After a good deal of interaction with them as well as reading other people's experiences, I have concluded that they are part of the fake good/bad paradigm.
Take a look at Wes Penre's article on the subject at http://wespenre.com/life-between-lives.htm
This is a very big topic and I found his article shortly after coming to the same conclusion.
At Avalon, I feel we have a big disconnect between people who are an empty pot and looking for what is and those people who have assimilated prophecy (like 2012 new earth) and are no longer an empty pot.
My conclusion (very similar to the Wes Penre article) is that the matrix extends after death. In between lives, we are "tutored" by ascended masters, guides, and other more "evolved" beings. They will tell us we are developing and that we are progressing to the next level, but only a small amount of critical thinking will show that this is a system of debt. We are all slaves in a debtor's prison. It is impossible to pay back or remove all of the karma because it is impossible to live on this planet without accumulating more karma, no matter how meticulous one is (such as the Jains).
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know it isn't hope or belief. I think that as soon as people start honestly examining all of this information, we will get closer to a real new earth, but we have a long way to go.
My personal solution is that I'm an opt-outer. I don't participate in politics, religion, or anything that steers people back into the system.
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
27th November 2010, 04:33
Hi All,
Sorry for my prolonged absence. I have recently moved and have been delayed by pretty extreme snow and cold temperatures (for me) for the first time in my life and am slowly adapting to it.
First some details on religion. Religion seeks to provide humanity with solutions to the nearly universal human condition. There is some truth in all religions, but there are also different levels of truth. For example, when a civilization experiences an exceptional event that defies their immediate vocabulary, they come up with an epic story. The story may contain elements of the truth, but as it is passed from generation to generation, there are some substantial losses in meaning, kind of like playing the telephone game.
Some of my personal observations on religion:
--sjkted
Good to see you back, sjkted. :)
I hope you don't mind, but your post would have been best suited for this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3079-Spirituality-vs-Religion -- since this one is not about discussing religion and such...
JMHO
sjkted
27th November 2010, 04:43
sjkted:
what do you do for your own personal spiritual development?
On a day to day basis, I stay aware and practice acceptance. My personal veil is pretty thin and I do see quite a bit that happens outisde of what might be termed consensus reality. I don't have a day-to-day routine, but I have a "toolkit" of accumulated practices that I break out from time to time.
Here's a list of some of my more formative spiritual methods/experiences:
- Transendental Meditation (over the years, this has developed into a bunch of other intuitive forms of meditation)
- Yoga
- Intuitive healing
- Past life regression
- Sedona Method
- Astral Travel and Remote Viewing
- Lucid Dreaming
- Orin and Daben series
- Channeling / Communication with Spirit Guides
--sjkted
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Good to see you back, sjkted.
I hope you don't mind, but your post would have been best suited for this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ty-vs-Religion -- since this one is not about discussing religion and such...
JMHO
I haven't kept up with that thread. If the moderators approve, I have no objection with merging my posts there.
--sjkted
truthseekerdan
27th November 2010, 04:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv83H4evKiM
From The Native Wisdom Keeper & Shaman Little Grandmother Kiesha Crowther.
During her workshop in Zurich early November 2010 Little Grandmother Kiesha Crowther spoke about 2012, the expected pole shift and how we should prepare ourselves. Illustrated with pictures and accompanied by the music piece "Garden of Love" from the CD "Sarastus" by Rija.
ExHaLaTiON
27th November 2010, 05:17
we will believe anything, lol.
bring on 2012 !
lightblue
27th November 2010, 19:22
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sjkted:
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know it isn't hope or belief. I think that as soon as people start honestly examining all of this information, we will get closer to a real new earth, but we have a long way to go.
or a tough fight to fight?
in your mind - are good and evil two different mentalities turned entities? do good and evil have separate sources? if, when born, human beings are a clean slate, what makes us adopt streaks of both?
how do you define evil - briefly only...thanks :yu: l
edit to add
how do you think keisha's undrestanding is wrong? because she offers hope, or because she offers anything at all?
how do you imagine new earth? thanks again l
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sjkted
27th November 2010, 22:03
In my worldview (which is constantly evolving), there is fake good and evil which are really the same thing (i.e. the matrix) and then there is the source from which we all came which is really unknowable as best as I can tell.
People are not blank slates when born. We have all lived many past lives and carry with experiences, skills, karma, attitudes, etc. from the past.
Evil is a force that subverts humanity because they profit from our energy. There are many theories on this, but the one I find most credible is that they have lost their connection to the source and thus need to find a food source to parasite (us) in order to survive.
I'm not calling BS on everything Keisha says per say. I think much of it is credible, but the part about the new earth by 2012 is way too early. I think it is a possibility, but we need to evolve in order to get there. And that doesn't mean just a small minority of people -- it means we all need to get it that we can't resolve our problems with violence and that we don't need these systems to govern us because nobody can be trusted. In other words, we need to learn to trust and work with each other. Keep in mind also, that we as humanity are only as strong as our weakest link(s) which is why people who are in need really need to be helped because they deserve compassion and also because their state of weakness makes us all weaker which is a problem if we're all depending on each other to make it.
My new earth version isn't much different from Keisha's. I just think it's a quantum leap to say we're going to make it by 2012. And, I think the problem with much of these teachings is it gets back to the whole sit down and let God take care of everything mentality.
--sjkted
pilotsimone
28th November 2010, 06:45
sjkted - When something isn't working in your life and you're looking to change it, what works best for you? Focusing on what you lack or focusing on what you want?
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