Are we into messages, or into the messengers?

[betoobig]

Hello everyone. It is not my intention to offend anyone. I just needd some explanation why is been the thread about Lylli sending a messege to Simon closed... yes i know Runningdeer asked for it but i think she is been pushed in that direction.
Is any thread that gives us relevant info about what´s going on in our planet not our bussines?
Do we care more about the messengers than about the messege?
Does someone who brings a messege had to come with reference letter?
Isn´t a forum a place to discuss?
Minding my own bussines isn´t willing to know the right direction for me and my beloved ones?
Sorry Runningdeer if i offended you posting this thread. Is not my intention to re-open your thread but i want/need to understand what happend. It may be englhis is not my mother´s lenguage and i could´t get the point. I don´´t feel any need to defend nor Lyli, nor Simon, nor even Runningdear... i want to defend the freedome to talk about what i do believe is my bussines and everybodie´s bussines. I don´t understand why anyone can be offended while talking about someone´s messege.
I´ll be please if someone just explains me what happened. I am a bit slow at times. Thanks in advance to all.

LOVE

Juan

[Selkie]

Hello everyone. It is not my intention to offend anyone. I just needd some explanation why is been the thread about Lylli sending a messege to Simon closed... yes i know Runningdeer asked for it but i think she is been pushed in that direction.
Is any thread that gives us relevant info about what´s going on in our planet not our bussines?
Do we care more about the messengers than about the messege?
Does someone who brings a messege had to come with reference letter?
Isn´t a forum a place to discuss?
Minding my own bussines isn´t willing to know the right direction for me and my beloved ones?
Sorry Runningdeer if i offended you posting this thread. Is not my intention to re-open your thread but i want/need to understand what happend. It may be englhis is not my mother´s lenguage and i could´t get the point. I don´´t feel any need to defend nor Lyli, nor Simon, nor even Runningdear... i want to defend the freedome to talk about what i do believe is my bussines and everybodie´s bussines. I don´t understand why anyone can be offended while talking about someone´s messege.
I´ll be please if someone just explains me what happened. I am a bit slow at times. Thanks in advance to all.

LOVE

Juan
I only skim-read RunningDeer's thread, because I don't know who Simon Parkes and Lily Earthling are (nor do I care), but it seemed to me that in her post, RunningDeer was asking like-minded others who are familiar with Parkes, and who like him, to join her in wishing him well. To my mind, her thread pre-supposes a knowledge of who Parkes is and what he does, plus the assumption that those who respond to the thread will be in agreement with her feelings about him. If people disagreed with her (RunningDeer) about Parkes and his work, or if they are unfamiliar with him, then a thread devoted to wishing him well is not the place to express their thoughts and feelings; all they have to do is avoid the thread, or start a new thread critiquing him, or go to google and start to research him and what he does, and judge for themselves.

So, I thought that the some who posted on that thread were being sort of rude. Not necessarily rude per se...but rude to bring their requests for more info about Parkes, or their skepticism of him (or Lilly Earthling, whoever she is), etc., to a thread devoted to wishing him well.

But like I said, I only skimmed the thread, so maybe I am misunderstanding the whole thing :facepalm:. If that is so, then I offer my apologies, and request everyone to just please ignore this post of mine...its all just my 2 cents, anyway :cat:

[Agape]

I likewise apologise to RunningDear . I think I missed there was a question to me from Aspen even : it was late hour and the screen light was blinding .

But , as Juan said .. ''and what are we upto'' .

Simon is no way senior to me in his understanding , he's far more efficient and proficient though and he's in the right place to speak .
The same may be true for those like Corey , Andrew Bassiago or Dr Salla .. and so and so forth .

There is a common wisdom to be followed here , and information that maybe 'close to truth' even if in indirect manner but there's also plenty of 'pieces' that maybe entirely wrong ,
false as false can be , particularly when applied to human side of barricade .

The 'false pieces' are especially hard to get rid of because more than often they're 'too pretty' and created to fit in to places so perfectly so that the whole picture gives meaning .

I suppose it's similar like one of those shining jigsaw puzzles on large screen that can create multiple pictures .. and multiverse of meanings depending on where did you place your 'bets' , your key points .
You can create 'goose' or a 'cat' , and convince everyone this really IS a goose or a cat .
Between the goose and a cat .. it's a 'goose-cat hybrid' . :bigsmile:

Reality is occasionally overlapping .

That's why there's a huge demand for the 'theory of everything' and so many people , in mainstream science or even the alternative community are after it and some think they've got it even .
But from where I see it , having an idea or a conviction that you've 'got it' maybe like a 5 year old ( or 30 year old , or 1000 year old .. ) glimpse to the reality ,
and what they call 'small kensho' in Zen . A moment of enlightenment . It's not real enlightenment and not real 'theory of everything' .

That one may take thousands of years ( counted by peaceful scientific and spiritual digging ) to develop .

Imagine encountering physical theories and views of entirely different civilisation from yours .
Imagine there is large number of such intelligent civilisations in Space and each of them are trying to arrive at 'the theory of everything' , painstakingly , from their own point of view , over millions of years .

At the end - should end exist - there is plenty of knowledge that will be matching and can be compared and put together at one table - if everyone wishes so -

there will be plenty of knowledge lost .. because many civilisations go extinct and many are born till then ..

and there'll be also many rare pieces of observations not fitting anywhere . The Universe is vast .. and unique in more ways than we can estimate .


The Universe itself is an Event , a Happening .. from phenomenological point of view , it's happening only once .. in its timeless form . It is also repeating itself endlessly and learning from its own matrices and records and forming itself from perfect centre to vast and scattered edges ..

it has many important forces to it like its chirality ( whether it's turning right or left ) , weak and strong forces and dimensions that have been barely outlined by human science so far ,
not to speak about them being proved or well understood , partially because of TABU imposed on certain events and awareness in the past .

The saddest thing that may happen to any 'message' from out of the human realm is it being misinterpreted , tainted by human ambitions for immediate success ,
turning to tool in someones hands instead of being scaled, measured , researched , evaluated first of all ,
which means = well understood .


There had been plenty of attempts of communication from other worlds and entities , with human world , in the past and many if not most of them failed , were ignored or gravely misunderstood .

Reminds me of the scene from Monty Python 'Life of Brian' ''I'm not the messiah''

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Incredible as it sounds ... the dispute about 'this particular messiah' is now more than 2000 years old, it's been never sorted and costed good few millions of human lives and to this day .. ( well .. fill your own dots please ... )

The message and the messiah are two different phenomena ( yes Juan ) .

But then , the true message and the false message are too .

In case of ET-Human communication the weight of justification has to be placed on refining , the justification of the message itself - understanding who/what is speaking to you
before any applications and ramification process can be started .

There may be much to explain but as I've said last night , the internet is turning to very chaotic place .

Some have chosen their idols , pop-stars and messiahs already .. some with more discrimination than the others .

If you want sobriety and point of view , and get some knowledge I could provide please let me know where to answer to ,
preferably not in 'someones messiahs threads' .


:bearhug:

[RunningDeer]

Sorry Runningdeer if i offended you posting this thread. Is not my intention to re-open your thread but i want/need to understand what happend. It may be englhis is not my mother´s lenguage and i could´t get the point. I don´´t feel any need to defend nor Lyli, nor Simon, nor even Runningdear... i want to defend the freedome to talk about what i do believe is my bussines and everybodie´s bussines. I don´t understand why anyone can be offended while talking about someone´s message.


What’s happening on the planet is everyone’s business.

Juan, you absolutely did not offend me. In fact, your PM comment was one that reminded me that ‘this’ is bigger than anyone person.

I forgot that it’s everyone's thread and their opinions. It’s not my ‘job’ to change anyone only to offer another point of view.

Thank you for the reminder. :heart:

One concern was/is that if people don’t take the time to hear what Lily Earthling and Goz Stone say, we’ll go round and round. This is exactly what the dracos and other astral feeders thrive on. They also get to live on through our ignorance to the truth. I’m here to discover the truth and play a part in that process.

RunningDeer <3

[RunningDeer]

Having time to sleep on it, I made assumptions that folks would read the content with an open mind. I also made assumptions that people have the time to listen to at least one of the videos from the other thread. That last point is most important. As mentioned in the other post, it’s not about any one person. It’s about All of us and Mother Earth (for starters).

I see now, that on the other thread there were two points that added to the confusion. It’d have been better to keep them separate. Though honestly I don’t know how because they do overlap:

to pass the message along to Simon
the information from Lily Earthingly and Goz Stone

In brief: from their conversations, I’ve learned on how the astral world continues to keep us in lock down by the very fact that we’re not aware of how they do it. That there’s an astral matrix overlay on our true home, Mother Earth. Until we recognize that the draco astral feeder types will continue to use trickery to rule, manipulate and drain us and our Mother Earth home. That trickery includes humanity doing their bidding without our knowing that we are in full participation.

I’d be the first to say that some of it is a rehash of the information. But how they’ve presented it and how they’ve offered new parts, has brought clarity into my daily life. For the last several months, I’ve benefited from some of it.

As this conversation unfolds, I’ll stay open for personal blind spots. Hopefully, others will be honest enough with themselves to do the same.

RunningDeer <3

[greybeard]

Sorry you got hassled else where Running Deer
The following does not apply to you.

People tend to be interested in getting their point across and then getting it confirmed by others.
They are not necessarily open minded.
Any opinion or even proven truth, that seems to threaten the held opinion triggers hostile reaction.

As far as the opening header goes.
Yes people get into being followers and questioning the validity of anything the one they are following states, can invoke a very hostile response.
The ego thinks that "if im proven wrong I will die"--only ego can ever feel threatened.

Many years ago I had been a follower of a spiritual teacher and got into "Baba said"
Was he always right in what he said? Definitely not.
Now I hope I have learned from that.

The Truth does not need defending.

A quote from the book "I Am That"
"The real does not die, the unreal never lived"

Basically discernment is needed and an attitude of putting no head above or below your own.
I learn from others and therefore my beliefs have changed greatly over the years

Chris

[Flash]

Having time to sleep on it, I made assumptions that folks would read the content with an open mind. I also made assumptions that people have the time to listen to at least one of the videos from the other thread. That last point is most important. As mentioned in the other post, it’s not about any one person. It’s about All of us and Mother Earth (for starters).

I see now, that on the other thread there were two points that added to the confusion. It’d have been better to keep them separate. Though honestly I don’t know how because they do overlap:

to pass the message along to Simon
the information from Lily Earthingly and Goz Stone

In brief: from their conversations, I’ve learned on how the astral world continues to keep us in lock down by the very fact that we’re not aware of how they do it. That there’s an astral matrix overlay on our true home, Mother Earth. Until we recognize that the draco astral feeder types will continue to use trickery to rule, manipulate and drain us and our Mother Earth home. That trickery includes humanity doing their bidding without our knowing that we are in full participation.

I’d be the first to say that some of it is a rehash of the information. But how they’ve presented it and how they’ve offered new parts, has brought clarity into my daily life. For the last several months, I’ve benefited from some of it.

As this conversation unfolds, I’ll stay open for personal blind spots. Hopefully, others will be honest enough with themselves to do the same.

RunningDeer <3

As far as astral usage to enslave those who cannot see through, i think you are on target. I also think it goes much further than this. I have not read nor listen to the authors and videos you refer to, so I cannot comment on these.

But you are spot on, basically. Astral world is based on emotions and manipulates the imagination parts related to the emotional world. Most of us - humanity - me included, fall easily in this trap. And then, afterward, the "knowledge" trap is there for us to surpass.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just needd some explanation why is been the thread about Lylli sending a messege to Simon closed
For those who might be interested and who had not already connected the dots, I presume that Juan (betoobig) refers to this thread: Dear Simon Parkes, I send this out to you from my heart to your heart. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81961-Dear-Simon-Parkes-I-send-this-out-to-you-from-my-heart-to-your-heart.)

[gripreaper]

I did listen to Lily Earthling and Goz Stone as per the other thread.

I found some salient points, and some I'm not to sure about. It is claimed that in 56BC the alignments of the astral grid and the earth grid were "skewed" by tilting the earth on it's axis, or in other words, a pole shift of true north with magnetic north. I'm not aware of anyone else talking about this event as the catalyst for our subconscious, and yet this did not deter me from the main theme.

We only use about 3 to 5 percent of our available perceptive abilities, namely the five physical senses and our conscious mind. The rest of our consciousness resides in what we call the "subconscious" and this part of us controls and guides us even though we are mostly unaware and oblivious to what goes on inside our subconscious minds.

Yet, those who would malign the astral grid with the physical grid know exactly how to program the subconscious and how to vampire our energy, also known as "loosh" Part of this subconscious programming is about the body as finite and non spiritual, needy and trapped in a prison planet of scarcity, and that the goal is to leave the ego, leave the body and ascend into higher consciousness. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Being "IN" a body and fully conscious is the truth, and completing that circuit by being fully grounded and in the present moment, feeling on all the physical levels as well as the more subtle astral levels, regardless of the malignments is our heritage. We do not realize how powerful we are and what access we actually have to the power of the universe, the matrix of all things. We CAN AND DO create all that we see in the hologram of creation and we are not victims at all. This is what scares the sh!t out of the controllers more than anything.

The 96% of the subconscious and the higher brain centers of the cerebellum and the cerebrum were at on time fully conscious, and can be again in we so choose. We choose to support the control grid and the paradigm of scarcity and the beliefs and notions of a dying and aging body. The body does not need to age and die, or be subject to all manner of fight or flight adrenaline survival response against a world at war and divisive, and the mind does not need to be oblivious to what it already knows.

Why do you suppose earth is the crown jewel of all grand experiments in the cosmos and why do you suppose massive amounts of souls want to come to earth and experience what it is like to be in a body? Why do you suppose that so many nefarious astral critters want to vampire and loosh us and steal our heritage? Why do you suppose so much effort is spent to steer and muddy up the new age movement? Why is the awakening such a big deal?

We spend way too much time and energy on distractions and divisiveness, and the paradigm of scarcity, to shift our perspective, and thus focus our energy towards a reality we once had and can have again, if we choose.

Just to let you know Paula, some of us do actually listen to the video's and take the message to heart. Your efforts are not in vain.

[Agape]

In brief: from their conversations, I’ve learned on how the astral world continues to keep us in lock down by the very fact that we’re not aware of how they do it. That there’s an astral matrix overlay on our true home, Mother Earth. Until we recognize that the draco astral feeder types will continue to use trickery to rule, manipulate and drain us and our Mother Earth home. That trickery includes humanity doing their bidding without our knowing that we are in full participation.

I’d be the first to say that some of it is a rehash of the information. But how they’ve presented it and how they’ve offered new parts, has brought clarity into my daily life. For the last several months, I’ve benefited from some of it.





RunningDear , my earnest wish and hope is that I'm not hurting you ( or anyone else for that purpose ) by my message . At the same time , I don't understand how possibly could truth be shared without destroying someones old believes .

What we are witness to here looks like very round-about debate to me .. yes truth has to be repeated many times so that everyone has chance to get it , true ,
but is that all the billions of people out there 'aren't getting it' . Really .

'Mother Earth' .. our true home .. sadly not . Happily not . I know that you and many others will disagree but so be it ,

wait some more time I think . It's like hugging the Teddy Bear I've got from friend and thinking of true love , yes I wish .. my wishful thinking .. and while the friend is long gone and have their life and family , the teddy remained honest .
Sadly, happily honest teddy .

So is 'Mother Earth' for you . You can believe in 'it' and be one with the 'Goddess' , you're the Goddess there , the planet is .. a planet .
There are billions of stars and planets in this Universe and many have been someones ( even yours ) home .
The 'biosphere' is intelligent , not the rock underneath . There were people since beginngnless times who sat and meditated for years in front of the 'rock' , wall , cave .. until they reached greater wisdom.
Many had gone mad in that process too . That's known . Quite serious. Many came to wrong conclusions ..

but the 'rock' did not change because of any of them .

Non-living matter has its own evolution .. and life , more subtle , frail web of life has another one .

The biosphere 'thinks' and 'acts' in consonance .. that's how it also 'evolves' . It dances very carefully on the hospitable edges of the 'rock' underneath . One step to side and the web is gone ..

'Mother Earth' = referring to the rock now , does not care we are here or not . It's not going to adjust its climate or anything else to fit to us,
it's us who had been here for millions of years and had to adjust to it ,

and were trapped here .. and that's where all the evolution of faiths and convictions, apathy and cynicism and all these extreme emotions, good or bad come from.

To put it the best way possible : we are guests here . Long term tenants perhaps ..
we are obliged to maintain the place till we have to stay .

Yes all the religious authorities of past , presence and future were convincing about that 'this place' is your chosen home, this life is your privileged life and all is as perfect as God created it , for you .
It's a 'good faith' and if it helps you to get through today or tomorrow .. then it's also merciful faith and let it be . It takes few turmoils and cataclysms unfolding and cosmic intelligence imperative I suppose to get beyond this point - where we've ALL been -
to want to know more even or be ready for it .


There aren't many 'dracos' or 'mantids' here who aren't also partially human , it's all in your genes , everyones , not in the same proportion yet there's much more ,
depending on what part of you - and you - awakens first .

The metaphor about taming and conquering the 'dragon' existed since the dawn of mankind because in a way .. the dragon is no more than than untamed power , the 'force' ,
so is intelligence devoid of highest purpose , so are the 'giant insects' and 'sleek men in grey' .


At time of my rarely-real ET encounters , some that followed in years after Bodhgaya .. it was made clear to me repeatedly .. not to search for these 'ET's among humans .

When you meet their ( or our , depending on which bank you're standing on at any particular time ) reality face to face you will understand why . The quality can not be exactly replicated or duplicated,
and it's fairly difficult to maintain .. it's impossible to reproduce exactly by human brain yet of the moment unless this would be some sort of specifically controlled environment ,
that's how there no 'direct proofs' , lots of disinformation and many mistakes .

Retaining the awareness of that quality itself .. is helpful not to fall to confusion . Confusions do prevail so far , with countless '' witnesses'' to what they saw and what did it mean ,
however .. the whole fiasco starts if you start trying to prove yourself or 'plant' your knowledge on someones elses experiences and statements ,
in order to grow 'one bigger shrub' .

To rectify .. this message is for anyone who can benefit from it , not specifically RunningDear .



Apologies if I've posted ( sinned ) .


Sadly, that has to be the case ..



:p

[DeDukshyn]

There's more to all this than meets the eye. That is for certain.

In my opinion its all distraction. The world needs us here and now, choosing the future we desire, not lost in dreams about mantids or whatever.

[Elainie]

Regarding Lily Earthling and Goz Stone, can anyone tell me where they got their information from? I listened to one 3 hour interview with both and found a lot of the main points on target (for me) but I wish to know more about where they obtained their info.

[greybeard]

There's more to all this than meets the eye. That is for certain.

In my opinion its all distraction. The world needs us here and now, choosing the future we desire, not lost in dreams about mantids or whatever.

Yes many distractions---we all love a story --true or not.

Well the mystics say we are here to discover the Truth.
The Truth they point to is that there is only One Soul--One Self and I am that. (Only God is--that is One without a second"

Many thousands of years of enlightened saying exactly this.
They are presenting a message, not looking for followers.
For me finding the answer to the question "Who am I?" is paramount.
The answer is not found by mind or intellect but is experiential.
The caterpillar has the potential to be the butterfly.
We all have the potential to discover the True Self which we are.
That is within all.

Chris

[onawah]

This is the kind of discussion that keeps me coming back to Avalon.
I have listened to a couple of the interviews with Lily and one with Goz, and it was enough to confirm the personal feelings I've had that there is more to the whole picture that Simon has been presenting for us that needs to be examined more closely.
Unfortunately, I don't have the kind of time I used to have to add as much as I would like to the discussion, but just to say here that so many good points have been brought up, it's clear that some of us (enough, hopefully) are thinking clearly and deeply.
That is very encouraging!
We really MUST be into the messages, and not the messengers; though treating the messengers with courtesy and respect is necessary, it is imperative to also remember that we are all human (at least, to some extent!) and so each, without exception, has our own particular blind spots that need mirroring from others.
When there is unwillingness to engage in that process, then something is wrong, some secrets are being valued more than the truth, and that's a problem.

Lately I've noticed in myself a sense of unease resulting from the idea that "everything is going to be OK, it's just a matter of getting from here to there (the future, where the truth is finally out and people are acting on it, etc.)".
It's only OK if we are paying attention NOW to what is up for our examination, analysis, debate, correction, etc.
This may seem obvious, but it just seems like there has been a subtle drifting toward complacency, and it's been difficult to target in on just where we are NOW.
But this discussion is a great wakeup call and a good sign to me that, not just on a superficial level but on a very deep level, not everything is slipping past the radar.
And what's not slipping by here are important issues.
It's not a time to relax, but we've been through this enough times now hopefully that we should know where the pitfalls are, and won't have to fall into them yet again.
There are many interconnecting issues; hopefully they can all be discussed without needing too many course corrections.
I've had 4 PMs in the last 24 hours or so, and so I expect a lot will be resolved in that way, behind the scenes, which is OK too.
I think just having the issues brought up is terrific, and hopefully there will be more to come.
I think it would be sad to stop here.


Having time to sleep on it, I made assumptions that folks would read the content with an open mind. I also made assumptions that people have the time to listen to at least one of the videos from the other thread. That last point is most important. As mentioned in the other post, it’s not about any one person. It’s about All of us and Mother Earth (for starters).

I see now, that on the other thread there were two points that added to the confusion. It’d have been better to keep them separate. Though honestly I don’t know how because they do overlap:

to pass the message along to Simon
the information from Lily Earthingly and Goz Stone

In brief: from their conversations, I’ve learned on how the astral world continues to keep us in lock down by the very fact that we’re not aware of how they do it. That there’s an astral matrix overlay on our true home, Mother Earth. Until we recognize that the draco astral feeder types will continue to use trickery to rule, manipulate and drain us and our Mother Earth home. That trickery includes humanity doing their bidding without our knowing that we are in full participation.

I’d be the first to say that some of it is a rehash of the information. But how they’ve presented it and how they’ve offered new parts, has brought clarity into my daily life. For the last several months, I’ve benefited from some of it.

As this conversation unfolds, I’ll stay open for personal blind spots. Hopefully, others will be honest enough with themselves to do the same.

RunningDeer <3


I did listen to Lily Earthling and Goz Stone as per the other thread.

I found some salient points, and some I'm not to sure about. It is claimed that in 56BC the alignments of the astral grid and the earth grid were "skewed" by tilting the earth on it's axis, or in other words, a pole shift of true north with magnetic north. I'm not aware of anyone else talking about this event as the catalyst for our subconscious, and yet this did not deter me from the main theme.

We only use about 3 to 5 percent of our available perceptive abilities, namely the five physical senses and our conscious mind. The rest of our consciousness resides in what we call the "subconscious" and this part of us controls and guides us even though we are mostly unaware and oblivious to what goes on inside our subconscious minds.

Yet, those who would malign the astral grid with the physical grid know exactly how to program the subconscious and how to vampire our energy, also known as "loosh" Part of this subconscious programming is about the body as finite and non spiritual, needy and trapped in a prison planet of scarcity, and that the goal is to leave the ego, leave the body and ascend into higher consciousness. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Being "IN" a body and fully conscious is the truth, and completing that circuit by being fully grounded and in the present moment, feeling on all the physical levels as well as the more subtle astral levels, regardless of the malignments is our heritage. We do not realize how powerful we are and what access we actually have to the power of the universe, the matrix of all things. We CAN AND DO create all that we see in the hologram of creation and we are not victims at all. This is what scares the sh!t out of the controllers more than anything.

The 96% of the subconscious and the higher brain centers of the cerebellum and the cerebrum were at on time fully conscious, and can be again in we so choose. We choose to support the control grid and the paradigm of scarcity and the beliefs and notions of a dying and aging body. The body does not need to age and die, or be subject to all manner of fight or flight adrenaline survival response against a world at war and divisive, and the mind does not need to be oblivious to what it already knows.

Why do you suppose earth is the crown jewel of all grand experiments in the cosmos and why do you suppose massive amounts of souls want to come to earth and experience what it is like to be in a body? Why do you suppose that so many nefarious astral critters want to vampire and loosh us and steal our heritage? Why do you suppose so much effort is spent to steer and muddy up the new age movement? Why is the awakening such a big deal?

We spend way too much time and energy on distractions and divisiveness, and the paradigm of scarcity, to shift our perspective, and thus focus our energy towards a reality we once had and can have again, if we choose.

Just to let you know Paula, some of us do actually listen to the video's and take the message to heart. Your efforts are not in vain.

[gripreaper]

Lately I've noticed in myself a sense of unease resulting from the idea that "everything is going to be OK, it's just a matter of getting from here to there (the future, where the truth is finally out and people are acting on it, etc.)". It's only OK if we are paying attention NOW to what is up for our examination, analysis, debate, correction, etc.

This may seem obvious, but it just seems like there has been a subtle drifting toward complacency, and it's been difficult to target in on just where we are NOW. But this discussion is a great wakeup call and a good sign to me that, not just on a superficial level but on a very deep level, not everything is slipping past the radar. And what's not slipping by here are important issues. It's not a time to relax, but we've been through this enough times now hopefully that we should know where the pitfalls are, and won't have to fall into them yet again.

And I might add as a point of clarification, in my opinion, the act of "being and doing", the yin and yang, the positive and negative, the right and the left, the masculine and the feminine, in balance, as we go forward.

In the old paradigm, "doing" is considered an act of war, a polarized state "against" something else which is wrong, and "being" was considered complacent, lethargic and unmotivated.

If one is in meditation, is grounding and centering and bringing themselves into a balanced perspective, they are doing by being, which is changing the energetics in the quantum, which coalesces with the rest of the matrix, and the manifestation which arises "IS" the doing.

If you go out into the streets and protest the injustices, and you "do" by cleaning up the debris which lay all around you, will this stop the wanton disposal of debris upon the earth? Will doing what you can externally in your manifest reality change that which is discordant in the inner temple?

My only point, is to allow the inner work of being to be at peace and come forward in it's abilities and allow the manifestations of this inner work to bear fruit, and to discard the act's of doing as the way forward. Doing will evolve out of being, not the other way around, in my very own humble opinion, which is worth about what you paid for it.

[RunningDeer]

Just to let you know Paula, some of us do actually listen to the video's and take the message to heart. Your efforts are not in vain.

To GripReaper and All those that give their precious time to the videos and posts, a simple thanks and appreciation is sent out with great big speakers behind it.



'Mother Earth' .. our true home .. sadly not . Happily not . I know that you and many others will disagree but so be it ,

Hi Agape, I am way cool with everyone believing what they want. Why would I be offended? Though, I Absolutely (with a capital 'A') understand your concern.

At the base of all my posts is the passion for knowledge, freedom, choice, action and self-empowerment. I want that for us All.

Life is the experience I feel and participate in. Most of the time all the details of rock, paper, scissors just doesn't matter. I read for enjoyment and expansion. And then another rock, paper, scissors comes along. It adds another dimension of fun to life.

RunningDeer <3

[RunningDeer]

Regarding Lily Earthling and Goz Stone, can anyone tell me where they got their information from? I listened to one 3 hour interview with both and found a lot of the main points on target (for me) but I wish to know more about where they obtained their info.

Hi ERK, yesterday I posted that I’ve listened and taken notes on at least 8 videos and some I listen to 2-3 times. I lied. I’ve listened to about 13 and some I’ve listened to them 3-4 times. And as you've pointed out those videos are 2-3 hours long.

I gave up asking who vetted them and where do they get their information. The reason is that I continue to take away what feels right and what I can apply in my own life today.

I’m running out of writing words and am beginning to sound like a broken record, so I’ll add what I posted the last couple of days about Goz Stone and Lily Earthling:

To Aspen:

If there's one take away that would be it…whole body and ground, not parts, not chakras nor Merkabah. I can't begin to say how much it's confirmed what I've known and actively apply even when it's only in 10-30 second bits throughout the 24/7. To name a few, the benefits are raised frequency, health, clarity of thought, increased problem solving skills, and a lot more.

If people just gave it a shot, they'd understand. I'm at a point where it's time to stop pushing so hard. Overkill will only turn people off.


Shortened version to Calz:

Abundance of energy today. Rather than get up and read last night, I used the sleepless bedtime on the practice of body-whole, center within. Ground. I’m here to say that even 10-20 seconds a clip enlivens, regenerates and feeds one with the good stuff.

Throughout the 24/7, practice it. Whenever it pops into your mind. It's free. It's your own Source energy. I create associations to remind myself, such as when a bird sings, waiting at a red light or tree branches sway. Going off to sleep, I play nature sounds like a gentle stream, ocean waves, birds, peeper frogs and cricket the forest.

Tap the whole body NOT it’s parts such as the pineal or Merkaba. These are what the astral tricksters want…need...to siphon off us which in turn drains; it makes us tired, cranky, depressed, confusion of thoughts, listless, feed addictions, chomp at loved ones, etc.

RunningDeer <3

[Flash]

This is the kind of discussion that keeps me coming back to Avalon.
I have listened to a couple of the interviews with Lily and one with Goz, and it was enough to confirm the personal feelings I've had that there is more to the whole picture that Simon has been presenting for us that needs to be examined more closely.
Unfortunately, I don't have the kind of time I used to have to add as much as I would like to the discussion, but just to say here that so many good points have been brought up, it's clear that some of us (enough, hopefully) are thinking clearly and deeply.
That is very encouraging!
We really MUST be into the messages, and not the messengers; though treating the messengers with courtesy and respect is necessary, it is imperative to also remember that we are all human (at least, to some extent!) and so each, without exception, has our own particular blind spots that need mirroring from others.
When there is unwillingness to engage in that process, then something is wrong, some secrets are being valued more than the truth, and that's a problem.

Lately I've noticed in myself a sense of unease resulting from the idea that "everything is going to be OK, it's just a matter of getting from here to there (the future, where the truth is finally out and people are acting on it, etc.)".
It's only OK if we are paying attention NOW to what is up for our examination, analysis, debate, correction, etc.
This may seem obvious, but it just seems like there has been a subtle drifting toward complacency, and it's been difficult to target in on just where we are NOW.
But this discussion is a great wakeup call and a good sign to me that, not just on a superficial level but on a very deep level, not everything is slipping past the radar.
And what's not slipping by here are important issues.
It's not a time to relax, but we've been through this enough times now hopefully that we should know where the pitfalls are, and won't have to fall into them yet again.
There are many interconnecting issues; hopefully they can all be discussed without needing too many course corrections.
I've had 4 PMs in the last 24 hours or so, and so I expect a lot will be resolved in that way, behind the scenes, which is OK too.
I think just having the issues brought up is terrific, and hopefully there will be more to come.
I think it would be sad to stop here.


Having time to sleep on it, I made assumptions that folks would read the content with an open mind. I also made assumptions that people have the time to listen to at least one of the videos from the other thread. That last point is most important. As mentioned in the other post, it’s not about any one person. It’s about All of us and Mother Earth (for starters).

I see now, that on the other thread there were two points that added to the confusion. It’d have been better to keep them separate. Though honestly I don’t know how because they do overlap:

to pass the message along to Simon
the information from Lily Earthingly and Goz Stone

In brief: from their conversations, I’ve learned on how the astral world continues to keep us in lock down by the very fact that we’re not aware of how they do it. That there’s an astral matrix overlay on our true home, Mother Earth. Until we recognize that the draco astral feeder types will continue to use trickery to rule, manipulate and drain us and our Mother Earth home. That trickery includes humanity doing their bidding without our knowing that we are in full participation.

I’d be the first to say that some of it is a rehash of the information. But how they’ve presented it and how they’ve offered new parts, has brought clarity into my daily life. For the last several months, I’ve benefited from some of it.

As this conversation unfolds, I’ll stay open for personal blind spots. Hopefully, others will be honest enough with themselves to do the same.

RunningDeer <3


I did listen to Lily Earthling and Goz Stone as per the other thread.

I found some salient points, and some I'm not to sure about. It is claimed that in 56BC the alignments of the astral grid and the earth grid were "skewed" by tilting the earth on it's axis, or in other words, a pole shift of true north with magnetic north. I'm not aware of anyone else talking about this event as the catalyst for our subconscious, and yet this did not deter me from the main theme.

We only use about 3 to 5 percent of our available perceptive abilities, namely the five physical senses and our conscious mind. The rest of our consciousness resides in what we call the "subconscious" and this part of us controls and guides us even though we are mostly unaware and oblivious to what goes on inside our subconscious minds.

Yet, those who would malign the astral grid with the physical grid know exactly how to program the subconscious and how to vampire our energy, also known as "loosh" Part of this subconscious programming is about the body as finite and non spiritual, needy and trapped in a prison planet of scarcity, and that the goal is to leave the ego, leave the body and ascend into higher consciousness. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Being "IN" a body and fully conscious is the truth, and completing that circuit by being fully grounded and in the present moment, feeling on all the physical levels as well as the more subtle astral levels, regardless of the malignments is our heritage. We do not realize how powerful we are and what access we actually have to the power of the universe, the matrix of all things. We CAN AND DO create all that we see in the hologram of creation and we are not victims at all. This is what scares the sh!t out of the controllers more than anything.

The 96% of the subconscious and the higher brain centers of the cerebellum and the cerebrum were at on time fully conscious, and can be again in we so choose. We choose to support the control grid and the paradigm of scarcity and the beliefs and notions of a dying and aging body. The body does not need to age and die, or be subject to all manner of fight or flight adrenaline survival response against a world at war and divisive, and the mind does not need to be oblivious to what it already knows.

Why do you suppose earth is the crown jewel of all grand experiments in the cosmos and why do you suppose massive amounts of souls want to come to earth and experience what it is like to be in a body? Why do you suppose that so many nefarious astral critters want to vampire and loosh us and steal our heritage? Why do you suppose so much effort is spent to steer and muddy up the new age movement? Why is the awakening such a big deal?

We spend way too much time and energy on distractions and divisiveness, and the paradigm of scarcity, to shift our perspective, and thus focus our energy towards a reality we once had and can have again, if we choose.

Just to let you know Paula, some of us do actually listen to the video's and take the message to heart. Your efforts are not in vain.

a little trick:

Often when I am confused, unsure, in a turmoil, whatever, and that some pondering is necessary, I do the pondering. Then, turmoil, confusion, insecurities, name it still remains. This is usually when I start remembering again to do the following, in order to gain perspective:

I imagine myself on my deathbed.

And I ask myself the following question: what do I want to live/think about this actual situation when I will be on my deathbed? The answer is usually Crystal clear.

Then I ask a second question: What importance this actual situation will have relative to the rest, on my deathbed? the answer is usually Crystal clear here too.

And, .. it is usally ... not much importance.

And afterwards, I continue living with the new insight acquired.

I suggest we do the same for dracos, Mantids, and all the menagerie of ETs we know about nothing about, because on our//my deathbed, they won't hold that much importance.

What will hold imortance is what and how I have lived on a daily basis, the love I shared, the true good I did, the responsibilites I took, the truth i lived and propagated, and the very few beliefs I may have had to direct my life.

When we think of it, sooooo simple.

And, I ddeply believe that you/I are in a human body, you/I are human and will live ahuman experience. Period.

So why not taking all it can bring in wisdom and love, and why not using it to evolve and let/help others evolve?

So love to Simon, The Ruiner, Houman, Wade Frazier, Jeff Rense, and all those who take risks to bring their own truth, that it be based on a lot of ego (which is sometimes the case) or not. I thank them, because they opened my eyes.

And great love to all who bring true wiisdom into this planet, because they are rare and extremely helpful. Usually not ego based. Some maybe on forums, but most are basically nameless.

That being said, what will be the most important on my death bed?

[onawah]

I hear you Paula!
Would you perhaps consider a thread that has all the links to those talks by Lily, and perhaps a few comments from you on what you found to be most important?
It would make it easier for the rest of us who want to, to catch up with you on this information.
Thanks, and thanks for being the messenger re this important info!

[Agape]

Dear Paula , me too ... :heart: Believe what you will .. I smile to all these dear souls . Perhaps it's better not to talk anymore .

When I go back to your original thread, so carefully jotted together .. I don't understand how super intelligent lady like you could get into this much discussion about un-facts . I don't .

Feelings ( energy work ) are one thing , claims another . I wonder where does the claim about 'moldavites' being mined in Ukraine and being 'important for CERN' come from .
They're found in fairly small area in Swarzwald ( Black Forest ) in Germany and by thousands of years were flown into the southern Bohemian region by river Vltava = Moldau in German .
We are a time zone and 1000 miles away from Ukraine .

It really does not matter to all those 'specialists' on US radio shows and what they claim , further you get from the impact area , more freedom you feel to make 'bohemian claims' .

And that's only the one tiny harmless piece of glass ..

the rest of 'faith' some people acquired from such claims and discussions ( looking at your article ) is far more complex and complicated than those of average Jehova witness .
If orthodox religions require 'deprogramming course' lasting month or two ,

this type of 'faith' may take humanity thousand years to overcome .

That's yer toll for false prophecies . And no, there's no way to put it all back on course .


Sometime another time , some space another space . No, I'm not giving up ..

I just can't go with this a lot . CERN is a luxury and a risk in my opinion considering global human situation but beyond that , probably the safest installation available around here , counting all the power plants and yeah ,
also claims that 'free energy' is already available .



Well, happy to be the freak on your conspiracy board .

[greybeard]

Flash said

"a little trick:

Often when I am confused, unsure, in a turmoil, whatever, and that some pondering is necessary, I do the pondering. Then, turmoil, confusion, insecurities, name it still remains. This is usually when I start remembering again to do the following, in order to gain perspective:

I imagine myself on my deathbed.

And I ask myself the following question: what do I want to live/think about this actual situation when I will be on my deathbed? The answer is usually Crystal clear.

Then I ask a second question: What importance this actual situation will have relative to the rest, on my deathbed? the answer is usually Crystal clear here too.

And, .. it is usally ... not much importance.

And afterwards, I continue living with the new insight acquired.

I suggest we do the same for dracos, Mantids, and all the menagerie of ETs we know about nothing about, because on our//my deathbed, they won't hold that much importance.

What will hold imortance is what and how I have lived on a daily basis, the love I shared, the true good I did, the responsibilites I took, the truth i lived and propagated, and the very few beliefs I may have had to direct my life.

When we think of it, sooooo simple.

And, I ddeply believe that you/I are in a human body, you/I are human and will live ahuman experience. Period.

So why not taking all it can bring in wisdom and love, and why not using it to evolve and let/help others evolve?

So love to Simon, The Ruiner, Houman, Wade Frazier, Jeff Rense, and all those who take risks to bring their own truth, that it be based on a lot of ego (which is sometimes the case) or not. I thank them, because they opened my eyes.

And great love to all who bring true wiisdom into this planet, because they are rare and extremely helpful. Usually not ego based. Some maybe on forums, but most are basically nameless.

That being said, what will be the most important on my death bed?"

End quote.

With you there Flash.

"Im older than most---soon I will be nothing but a ghost"---thats a line from a song written by JJ Cale
Because of my age my perspective is different from what it was as a youth---great interest was held in Paranormal--Jules Verne-- Edgar Cayce and yes Ets

Now I dont have time to spend on anything that does not directly affect my day and those I know.
Time is spent on Spirituality and related Science.
There seems to be a thought that Aliens are more advanced spiritually than humans---this is just not so.
In a recent Dr Depak Chopra talk he stated that our body resides within us as does the whole Universe
Doesn’t get much more "spiritual" than that.
Science is now saying what mystics said.

So yes I am concerned at the state of the world and the video I put below is a clue to how we can bring about very positive change

I appreciate this may not be exactly on topic.

Chris

Tom Campbell - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Also see http://batgap.com/tom-campbell/

In February of 2003, Tom published the My Big TOE trilogy (MBT) which represents the results and conclusions of his scientific exploration of the nature of existence. This overarching model of reality, mind, and consciousness explains the paranormal as well as the normal, places spirituality within a scientific context, solves a host of scientific paradoxes and provides direction for those wishing to personally experience an expanded awareness of All That Is. The MBT reality model explains metaphysics, spirituality, love, and human purpose at the most fundamental level, provides a complete theory of consciousness, and solves the outstanding fundamental physics problems of our time, deriving both relativity theory and quantum mechanics from first principles – something traditional physics cannot yet do. As a logic-based work of science, My Big TOE has no basis in belief, dogma, or any unusual assumptions.


What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.
Gandhi made the famous statement "Be the change you want to see"
Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.
The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.

Its a complex interview with scientists language rather than the norm spiritual. However he says that this does not contradict the Mystics view.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl802I9gRw

[onawah]

I don't know about moldavite being a harmless piece of glass--that must depend on the person.
I had a small piece of it that felt fine to me at first, then eventually became unbearable to the point where I simply had to bury it in the ground and leave it there.
It made me feel like I was entirely in my head, with no energy left for my body at all.



And that's only the one tiny harmless piece of glass ..

.

[RunningDeer]

I hear you Paula!
Would you perhaps consider a thread that has all the links to those talks by Lily, and perhaps a few comments from you on what you found to be most important?
It would make it easier for the rest of us who want to, to catch up with you on this information.
Thanks, and thanks for being the messenger re this important info!

Hi onawah, I’ve added bit and pieces around the forum so as not to make people run away when the see me coming. (Shhhh!)

- I don’t have a face book account. Goz (Gozaimasu) Stone posts there. I believe Lily Earthling does as well. That's how they initially hooked up. This is her lvireb YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/lvireb).

- The best thread is by Journeyon and Limor called, in-5d interview with Lily Earthling and Goz Stone (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81396-Escape-the-prison-Matrix-Interview-with-Lily-Earthling&p=950759&viewfull=1#post950759). There’s oodles of other links and notes, including Limor’s notes and link from Eve Lorgen's website.

- CERN: Truth, Lies and Magic, by Lily Earthling (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81920-CERN-Truth-Lies-and-Magic-by-Lily-Earthling&p=957397&viewfull=1#post957397)

- I pulled this off one of my posts so people can research videos and notes and additional resources - post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80906-in-5d-interview-with-Lily-Earthling-and-Goz-Stone&p=950759&viewfull=1#post950759):




Cameron Day known for his article on Zen Gardner’s site, Why I Am No Longer a LightWorker (http://www.zengardner.com/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/).
Cameron Day - AscensionHelp.com (http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/)
Alan Stockdale & Paul Massey from Escape The Prison Matrix (http://escapetheprisonmatrix.com)
Michelle Walling - How to Exit the Matrix (http://howtoexitthematrix.com)
Michelle Walling’s article from Cosmic Starseeds (http://www.cosmicstarseeds.com/cern-and-the-war-on-consciousness/), "CERN and the War on Consciousness"


- Lisa M. Harrison YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAODOi8RaILa1sO4eW6tHTg) was my first introduction to Lily Earthling. I did a quick skim but could find them. If I recall it was last fall when she was a guest three times.

<3

[Agape]

I don't know about moldavite being a harmless piece of glass--that must depend on the person.
I had a small piece of it that felt fine to me at first, then eventually became unbearable to the point where I simply had to bury it in the ground and leave it there.
It made me feel like I was entirely in my head, with no energy left for my body at all.



And that's only the one tiny harmless piece of glass ..

.

I've not heard people would report many such 'dramatic effects' such as yours, in fact ..out of the hundreds of people who have one in their possession you're the First .

It has warm energy - for me - but it's very light .. I had one or two long ago then usually gave it to friends for presents . The bigger ones are expensive .

But it's interesting it had ANY effect on you at all .

There are many other such 'meteoritic glass' findings around the globe , some more famous than others I suppose but since Earth was bombarded by meteors in its early history they're not that uncommon , even if rare .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektite


If they're mining something in Ukraine that would be of value to CERN it is probably uranium ore , it was previously being mined in central Europe as well,
and depending on its quality it tends to be the source of your nuclear fuel .

There were silver and uranium mines where my granny lives till a decade or two back, old mines that had to be closed to prevent devastation of the environment .
People in those areas were generally more susceptible to all sorts of diseases ..

yet .. there are also many beautiful crystals of semiprecious stones that were brought out of those mines ,
great depths .. some of the prettiest art of nature i've seen .

[grannyfranny100]

Chaos is escalating as if designed to divert our attention from immediate issues. We need to evaluate how much time we will spend on off world speculation versus what is going on behind the scenes that is creating more and more tyranny in our day to day world.

[RunningDeer]

I don't know about moldavite being a harmless piece of glass--that must depend on the person.
I had a small piece of it that felt fine to me at first, then eventually became unbearable to the point where I simply had to bury it in the ground and leave it there.
It made me feel like I was entirely in my head, with no energy left for my body at all.



And that's only the one tiny harmless piece of glass ...

Someone the other thread shared:"...what people can do to activate abilities. Simon's reply was that you can get a piece of Moldavite and hold it in your hand for about 20 minutes...."

Bury in the ground fits with what Lily suggests when ridding astral tags. Send them into within earth and bio-regenerate. Here’s a snippet:

...Because the dracos now want the tag back in astral level. And so people like Simon are programed to retrieve the tag once a human being is aware....

Most shamans do use the dracos’ techniques for retrieval. What the organic shaman does after removal of the tag, they will send the tag into the earth. The actual physical level of the earth. Thus the tag can no longer be uses by the astral levels. It is forced to stay within earth and bio-regenerate. Once you understand the difference between the removal and the retrieval of the tag, you’ll understand what agenda is being worked here.

My thought is when our frequencies are raised beyond the lower astral energy levels then ‘magic tools’ don’t effect us. It’s not cost effective for them to keep trying. They’ll focus on the sleepy ones. In which case, those with higher frequency enjoy crystals and jews and statues and all the rest as art appreciation and their intrinsic value.

Knowledge is power. I know I can't begin to know all that's going on. So for now, I'd not suggest to include Moldavite in one's power bag.

<3

[onawah]

I have lots of other kinds of beautiful stones, but I've never had an effect like the one I described except from moldavite.
But I have a lot of Air in my astrological chart, so perhaps I am vulnerable in that way. It might be good for very earthy people, but I think my instinct was correct, especially having read what RunningDeer wrote about burying it in the ground.
Now, apologies for straying from the subject at hand and hopefully :focus:

[RunningDeer]

I don't know about moldavite being a harmless piece of glass--that must depend on the person.
I had a small piece of it that felt fine to me at first, then eventually became unbearable to the point where I simply had to bury it in the ground and leave it there.
It made me feel like I was entirely in my head, with no energy left for my body at all.



And that's only the one tiny harmless piece of glass ..

.

I've not heard people would report many such 'dramatic effects' such as yours, in fact ..out of the hundreds of people who have one in their possession you're the First .

It has warm energy - for me - but it's very light .. I had one or two long ago then usually gave it to friends for presents . The bigger ones are expensive .

But it's interesting it had ANY effect on you at all .

There are many other such 'meteoritic glass' findings around the globe , some more famous than others I suppose but since Earth was bombarded by meteors in its early history they're not that uncommon , even if rare .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektite


If they're mining something in Ukraine that would be of value to CERN it is probably uranium ore , it was previously being mined in central Europe as well,
and depending on its quality it tends to be the source of your nuclear fuel .

There were silver and uranium mines where my granny lives till a decade or two back, old mines that had to be closed to prevent devastation of the environment .
People in those areas were generally more susceptible to all sorts of diseases ..

yet .. there are also many beautiful crystals of semiprecious stones that were brought out of those mines ,
great depths .. some of the prettiest art of nature i've seen .

For what it's worth, here are some notes which include moldavite (in bold) from the video "CERN: Truth, Lies and Magic, by Lily Earthling"




”The reason for the Ukraine conflict/war/distraction to hide their true intentions.”

”The one unifying objective of the whole controlling system on the spiritual hierarchy and the hierarchy on the planet is to activate the matrix time-loop. Which is the positive time-line, the ascension, the shift, all the new age religions, old religions and the spiritual teaching on the planet are working towards this matrix system.

99% (of the above) are actually working toward the CERN agenda. Though, most are not aware of it themselves.”


YiD-jRlotgg

4:32 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=4m32s) - Five page list of all CERN connected locations. Question: Why are we shown only one Switzerland location?

5:43 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=5m43s) - CERN is the modern pyramid system. Which is designed to harvest energy, harvest people’s energy and keep us locked in the matrix system. This is what pyramid systems use to do in extended light reality. Which is the cyclical time of the matrix and extreme duality, reverse polarize life existence, extreme duality matrix system.

6:36 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=6m36s) - How they use to do it was through the time loop experiment. The time loop experience was created in the time line of the ‘Atlantis disaster’ created through a crystalline grid. The crystals are being used to keep us in the matrix. The crystal used is called moldavite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavite) which is not original to this planet. All the crystals on the planet have been programmed to serve the harvesting matrix system.

8:06 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=8m06s) - The reason for the Ukraine conflict/war/distraction to hide their true intentions. Moldavite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavite) is important for their CERN pyramid system. They found the oldest pyramid in the world in Ukraine. Where there’s a pyramid, there’s moldavite. Without it, CERN cannot succeed.

10:05 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=10m05s) - The reason why they need to create the pyramid system is because of the earth’s 23.4 degree tilt. The pyramids are out of alignment. The astral levels stayed at the same place before the earth tilted. Those portals were/are connected to Saturn, moon…

12:04 (https://youtu.be/YiD-jRlotgg?t=12m04s) - The one unifying objective of the whole controlling system on the spiritual hierarchy and the hierarchy on the planet is to activate the matrix time-loop. Which is the positive time-line, the ascension, the shift, all the new age religions, old religions and the spiritual teaching on the planet are working towards this matrix system.

RunningDeer <3

[betoobig]

Hello everyone and thanks for keep this going.
Agape we talk about if we are from this planet or not ( i am from europe or from the world)... amplifiying conciousness we should feel we belong everywhere... cosmic humans.
Greybeard i am with you answers are inside ... we are one , and when we meditate we should focus on that. I mean, once we find our overselfs we should come toghether spiritualy. I believe this forum is a prove that can be done. We have to do the effort toghether as ONE becouse we are allways AL-ONE. SO this is not only an individual spiritual "war" in order to accelerate the process. I believe that is our next step. I´ll love to hear Jake on this.
Once again thank you Paula.

MUCH LOVE

Juan

[betoobig]

mfI4111pc0s

[gripreaper]

I hadn't heard that moldavite was the crystal used to activate and run the pyramids, and that it is not indigenous to earth, but came from some other planet.

The ancients taught us that crystals do have properties and can amplify energy, and different crystals amplify different energy frequencies, and that Atlantis went down because the crystals were used to manipulate energies for nefarious reasons and thus destroyed the planet, which summarily took hundreds of thousands of years to recover from such energy manipulations commiserate with the use of crystals.

So, where does moldavite come from and why is it so rare and so coveted?

[ghostrider]

sometimes the stuff of myth and legend is truth , and the truth is the stuff of myth and legend ...

[Flash]

Buddha at the gaz pump with Tom Campbell: very good inteview, I truly enjoyed. And look at the face of that man, his inner is literally blowing out light and wisdom.

Even if into message first, the Messenger shows with all his being if he lives the truth he carries or not.

Thanks Chris for bringing this to our attention.



Flash said

"a little trick:

Often when I am confused, unsure, in a turmoil, whatever, and that some pondering is necessary, I do the pondering. Then, turmoil, confusion, insecurities, name it still remains. This is usually when I start remembering again to do the following, in order to gain perspective:

I imagine myself on my deathbed.

And I ask myself the following question: what do I want to live/think about this actual situation when I will be on my deathbed? The answer is usually Crystal clear.

Then I ask a second question: What importance this actual situation will have relative to the rest, on my deathbed? the answer is usually Crystal clear here too.

And, .. it is usally ... not much importance.

And afterwards, I continue living with the new insight acquired.

I suggest we do the same for dracos, Mantids, and all the menagerie of ETs we know about nothing about, because on our//my deathbed, they won't hold that much importance.

What will hold imortance is what and how I have lived on a daily basis, the love I shared, the true good I did, the responsibilites I took, the truth i lived and propagated, and the very few beliefs I may have had to direct my life.

When we think of it, sooooo simple.

And, I ddeply believe that you/I are in a human body, you/I are human and will live ahuman experience. Period.

So why not taking all it can bring in wisdom and love, and why not using it to evolve and let/help others evolve?

So love to Simon, The Ruiner, Houman, Wade Frazier, Jeff Rense, and all those who take risks to bring their own truth, that it be based on a lot of ego (which is sometimes the case) or not. I thank them, because they opened my eyes.

And great love to all who bring true wiisdom into this planet, because they are rare and extremely helpful. Usually not ego based. Some maybe on forums, but most are basically nameless.

That being said, what will be the most important on my death bed?"

End quote.

With you there Flash.

"Im older than most---soon I will be nothing but a ghost"---thats a line from a song written by JJ Cale
Because of my age my perspective is different from what it was as a youth---great interest was held in Paranormal--Jules Verne-- Edgar Cayce and yes Ets

Now I dont have time to spend on anything that does not directly affect my day and those I know.
Time is spent on Spirituality and related Science.
There seems to be a thought that Aliens are more advanced spiritually than humans---this is just not so.
In a recent Dr Depak Chopra talk he stated that our body resides within us as does the whole Universe
Doesn’t get much more "spiritual" than that.
Science is now saying what mystics said.

So yes I am concerned at the state of the world and the video I put below is a clue to how we can bring about very positive change

I appreciate this may not be exactly on topic.

Chris

Tom Campbell - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Also see http://batgap.com/tom-campbell/

In February of 2003, Tom published the My Big TOE trilogy (MBT) which represents the results and conclusions of his scientific exploration of the nature of existence. This overarching model of reality, mind, and consciousness explains the paranormal as well as the normal, places spirituality within a scientific context, solves a host of scientific paradoxes and provides direction for those wishing to personally experience an expanded awareness of All That Is. The MBT reality model explains metaphysics, spirituality, love, and human purpose at the most fundamental level, provides a complete theory of consciousness, and solves the outstanding fundamental physics problems of our time, deriving both relativity theory and quantum mechanics from first principles – something traditional physics cannot yet do. As a logic-based work of science, My Big TOE has no basis in belief, dogma, or any unusual assumptions.


What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.
Gandhi made the famous statement "Be the change you want to see"
Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.
The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.

Its a complex interview with scientists language rather than the norm spiritual. However he says that this does not contradict the Mystics view.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl802I9gRw

[greybeard]

Flash I am so happy you watched the Video.
I sometimes wonder if people watch the videos posted, as I am aware that, which I find of interest, is not necessarily relevant to others.

I think the interview.conversation is excellent as Tom approaching the subject from a scientific point of view, is not influenced by anything other than his own research. Rick is very good at being host---Ive watched quite a few of his interviews.

Chris

[Elainie]

Big fan of Tom Campbell and My Big TOE here.

[Star Tsar]

I find those who immerse themselves in the message most I like best!

[STAR87]

Simon has said numerous times that he is no better than any other being. That being said, let him do his thing. Who isn't anyways? Who is right and who is wrong? Who is to say who is right and who is wrong. Im going with doloras cannon on this one and saying its all a dream....or a do over lol

[Alekahn2]

I hadn't heard that moldavite was the crystal used to activate and run the pyramids, and that it is not indigenous to earth, but came from some other planet.

The ancients taught us that crystals do have properties and can amplify energy, and different crystals amplify different energy frequencies, and that Atlantis went down because the crystals were used to manipulate energies for nefarious reasons and thus destroyed the planet, which summarily took hundreds of thousands of years to recover from such energy manipulations commiserate with the use of crystals.

So, where does moldavite come from and why is it so rare and so coveted?

29665

29666

This brief article has some interesting lore around Moldavite:
http://healingpendants.com/site/1586786/page/716480

Also, an article from March of this year:
http://www.aboutmoldavites.com/brutal-police-raid-on-illegal-prospectors-of-moldavites/ saying that police have intensified their supervision over moldavite localities, likely because of the intense interest in this tektite (and its corresponding monetization).

[Carmody]

I find..that we find ways to not go active and get things done.

If find that we digress, and shift from one foot to the other. That we hesitate and live in the world of inaction.

I find we make decisions based on emotions on subjects, rather than clearing the clouding emotions away (but viewing the given thing in the realm of human concerns, just clear of the body's manipulations of thought)

We sit and read, sit and watch, sit and contemplate but little gets done.

There comes point in clarity where inaction, in cost, outweighs the attempt (wait wait wait, watch watch watch, read read read, etc) to find a correct feeling decision.

That is the danger zone, with regard to manipulation, so it is best to simplify to base principles that are outside of emotion, and begin the move to action.

For example, the most potent warriors in the world, prepare for battle via meditations upon the internal expression of already being dead. This gives them the ability to do what must be done, all while potentials in outcome are motions upward in the idea of life.

The key, is clear thought is engendered by the loss of all fears. (as well as the idea of deathbed contemplations, reversion to simplest, most base terms)

Manipulation comes into the situation... via the extended contemplation of the fight for individual and individual family life, as the thought process is entirely controlled by emotions.

If one spends their time, in this analysis of data, trying to find a path to being individually alive and their families individually alive, fighting through a quagmire of overly complex unfindable and unrealizable truths vs unrealizable unfathomable lies..........then they have truly missed the point and are living in the world of manipulation, manipulation via other and manipulation via self.

[truthseekerdan]

The power of being anchored in love. This might help open some "eyes". "Believing is not enough, one needs to know...

qYr31BLAzFc

[Olam]

Great thread!
I just want to mention that I have several pieces of moldovite, even a nice big one set up as a pendant.
I can't say that I feel different wearing it.
I used to wear it while doing some contact protocols and I did have some "contact", but I can't say if it helped.
I have since stopped this contact stuff, I'm not all positive with doing this now.

Lastly, I wondered how there could be moldavite in Ukraine as the stuff is locally available in Moldova only and in limited supplies.
Maybe she is talking more about some other tektite ?

[RunningDeer]

Flash I am so happy you watched the Video.
I sometimes wonder if people watch the videos posted, as I am aware that, which I find of interest, is not necessarily relevant to others.

I think the interview.conversation is excellent as Tom approaching the subject from a scientific point of view, is not influenced by anything other than his own research. Rick is very good at being host---Ive watched quite a few of his interviews.

Chris

Hi Chris, I’ve listened to about 1/3 of the 2+ hr. program. What’s helpful is I download videos using a free software from aimersoft.com (http://www.aimersoft.com). It converts it into different formats like audio or video. That way I pick up where I left off or rewind parts.

Recently, I experimented with trimming salient parts into 5-14 minute bites and uploaded onto YouTube. Based on the low numbers that watched them, it wasn’t worth the effort.

Paula <3

[Agape]

Great thread!
I just want to mention that I have several pieces of moldovite, even a nice big one set up as a pendant.
I can't say that I feel different wearing it.
I used to wear it while doing some contact protocols and I did have some "contact", but I can't say if it helped.
I have since stopped this contact stuff, I'm not all positive with doing this now.

Lastly, I wondered how there could be moldavite in Ukraine as the stuff is locally available in Moldova only and in limited supplies.
Maybe she is talking more about some other tektite ?


Great to hear Olam , no matter what your experience is please share .

It's sort of shameful ( and little funny ) when people claim some sort of knowledge 'from glance' or use terms that are less than close to accurate ,
but people do . They do it all the time , including academic grounds and if you recall being present at your school exams it's what many people choose from the two options that remain .. keeping silent or admitting you don't have accurate information ..

As I read someone quoting in this thread , moldavites are NOT crystals by definition ,
and , their name is not associated with the name of republic of Moldova .

I suggest spreading world map ( or google map ) really helps .. especially for non EU members ,
the same way it helps me if I'm researching something related to American or Asian geography or geology as necessarily we all were tutored on many more details related to our more immediate territories than the rest of the world .

You'd be surprised how many people 'out there' make very crude errors in estimates of foreign countries and their mutual distances unless located near to their native town .



:heart:

[RunningDeer]

The power of being anchored in love. This might help open some "eyes". "Believing is not enough, one needs to know...


qYr31BLAzFc

Thanks, truthseekerdan. I happen to make a rough transcript for this a bit ago:

Question: How about the people that choose to be evil in this life?

The concept of evil is objective. We prefer the idea of evil as negative energy. That is simply a mechanical description of what is being done.

Positive energy is one that integrates, unifies, makes whole. Whereas, negative energy is that which separates, segregates, diversifies, and breaks apart. And thus doesn’t allow communication to occur in a harmonious way. But it’s discordant, jagged, rough. This is a description of the actual energy involved.

The only reason why a being would choose to exhibit that kind of behavior is because they has been subjected to it. And have been taught that is the only way to communicate. It’s the only way to relate to all that is.

They are in fear. Deep, deep, deep, deep fear. And they feel powerless and disconnected from spirit. And in feeling powerless and experiencing powerlessness, it isn’t that they are powerless.

In experiencing the idea of powerlessness, they then resort to the only thing they haven’t had and that is: physical control and domination. They feel they are loosing control. They are dying. They are going down the drain.

You don’t want to die alone, so you’ll take down as many people as you can.

It’s an attempt to reconnect, but it’s in the only way they know how. Negatively. That’s what domination is. An attempt to reconnect with no positive tools. They don’t know how. That’s how they were brought up.

But, it’s still an attempt to reconnect. But if you understand that, and can find that space in the being, that can be reached, that can be loved unconditionally, that can be shown as valid a piece of Creation as anyone. Then maybe they will be willing to let go of the fear. Let go of the need for domination and transform themselves from negative to positive. They will give up the job of being evil. Because it is no longer necessary.

Here’s the secret: When they feel like they are powerless, and are trying to dominate in order to gain a sense of power, the issue is really that it’s simply an expression of powerlessness. Because, THE GREATEST POWER REQUIRES THE LIGHTEST TOUCH. If you truly have power you hardly have to do anything to make things happen.

Those that force...are saying I have no power at all. So I have to FORCE everything to work, instead of ALLOWING it to work.

Allowance and unconditional love are the keys. And teaching them that they are powerful aspects of creation. So they don’t have to be in fear, terror and feeling disconnected. Thus feel the only way to reconnect is to dominate anything in their reach.


Part Two @ 4:26:

Sometimes the frequency that we give off is better processed in other ways.

Sometimes it will actually bring up things within you that your only just barely ready to look at.

We [Bashar] exist in a kind of frequency domain that induces others to rise to that level.

This is why ET’s don’t physically land on the planet. If we did and you were literally exposed to us full force, it might cause many of you to go into psychotic shock. Because it would force issues that you are not ready to look at to the surface of your consciousness and you would actually be terrified of yourself. Not us.

This is why you must understand the difference between the world you have created and the world you can create. What it really means to have heaven on earth.

The frequency, the energy is so intense when you are living on that level that we must be cautious when we encounter beings that are not living on that level so that we do not burn them out.

None of this is bragging, none of this is judging. I’m simply discussing the mechanics of it.

What you are experiencing right now about 1% of our energy. Our reality vibrationally is about 300 years ahead of your reality. But culturally, we are about 3000 years ahead.

It doesn’t mean it will take you 300 years to get to where you are. Because you live on a world of great acceleration. The point of earth is to accelerate to the dark to the light more rapidly than most any other world.

This is why we use the ‘rubber ban’ analogy to describe your planet. You all know that when you take a rubber ban and you pull at it, the farther you pull it back, the farther it will go when you let it go.

The idea on Earth is darkness...the reason why you have experienced so much depth of darkness and limitation, you’ve pulled your rubber band so far back that when you finally decide to let go of all darkness, you will snap back faster and much farther to the Light.

You are very strong, brave beings for doing this. And we thank you. Because you are teaching many other planets valuable lessons on how to overcome almost anything.


<3

[truthseekerdan]

Great work, Paula! 💜
Here's another good clip:

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[RunningDeer]

Great work, Paula! 💜
Here's another good clip:

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Thanks, truthseekerdan.
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif FYI: There’s a Bashar thread. Around this page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8934-Bashar&p=696218&viewfull=1#post696218) there are rough transcripts added to some of the videos.

<3

[onawah]

One of the posts on the thread that was closed recently made me wonder why some folks decide to join Avalon.
As I see it, Avalon is all about inquiry, sifting and sorting through whatever evidence we can collect, using our intellects, our intuition and any other tools at our disposal to arrive at the truth as responsibly as we can about what is going on behind the scenes on our planet and beyond.
If we are more interested in protecting what we believe and are not comfortable with any questioning about those beliefs, what is the point in coming here?
I think we usually (sometimes to a fault) have a high regard for the various whistleblowers and truth seekers we discuss here, and are very appreciative of what they have shared with the world.
Such people must know when they signed up for their missions in life that no one in this field is going to be exempt from questioning and on Avalon, that's how it was always intended to be, and with very good reason.
Avalon is not perfect, there are weaknesses, but our business here is finding out what we can about what is going on on this planet, the whos, the whys, the wheres and the hows.
It's partly because people are passive and DON'T question that the human race is currently in the pickle that it's in.
I don't think that people ask the kinds of questions that we ask on Avalon if they haven't already done enough inner work to realize that something is very wrong about the way things have been run on the planet for far too long.
Inner work has to be complemented by outer work-- we have to lay the foundation, but if we don't act, nothing changes, and to act rightly, we must first ask the right questions to gain the right understanding.

[greybeard]

Flash I am so happy you watched the Video.
I sometimes wonder if people watch the videos posted, as I am aware that, which I find of interest, is not necessarily relevant to others.

I think the interview.conversation is excellent as Tom approaching the subject from a scientific point of view, is not influenced by anything other than his own research. Rick is very good at being host---Ive watched quite a few of his interviews.

Chris

Hi Chris, I’ve listened to about 1/3 of the 2+ hr. program. What’s helpful is I download videos using a free software from aimersoft.com (http://www.aimersoft.com). It converts it into different formats like audio or video. That way I pick up where I left off or rewind parts.

Recently, I experimented with trimming salient parts into 5-14 minute bites and uploaded onto YouTube. Based on the low numbers that watched them, it wasn’t worth the effort.

Paula <3

Many thanks Paula
I have downloaded the software.
You do so much of value on Avalon
Much Love
Chris

[betoobig]

Right to the point Onawah. Most of the info that comes around is from people who has work hand to hand with the elite in some of the most weird places in this world (building bunkers, parting with rothchilds or at CERN). They just may know part of the truth but they are telling us what they know with the helping intention. it is us that have to filter somehow and i find Avalon to be a great filter. We then integrate the right stuff and through away the rest. Most of the info out there is most true with its touchy tricky little lie inside... so is like we are building a puzzle ... piece by piece...
ANd so far Lylli sended a love messege... this just could´nt hurt anyone. Simon is also talking trhuthfully in his intention but, for sure, he doesn´t have the big picture and he may not know he is been used and probably he still is... we all still are; he is not alone in that one.
Greybear i´´l look for the right time to see the video you posted, as soon as possible (still have to finish one from Mooji) and keep it up brother, you have to see the end of this movie with us. I guess it is time to reverse aging, i know you can.
MUch love to all.

Juan

[betoobig]

Hi Paula, once again a movie sincronicity... the movie "room 1408" with John Cusak, i whatched yesterday. Well, his wife in the movie is call Lylli Earthling...it was so surprising. You know, her name was not John Smith....

About the messege you brought us i find very interesting to think that mantis could change sides under the protection of mother earth. Accelerating the process of freeing this world. I will send my love to this beings too, we´ll see.

LOVE
Juan

[RunningDeer]

Hi Paula, once again a movie sincronicity... the movie "room 1408" with John Cusak, i whatched yesterday. Well, his wife in the movie is call Lylli Earthling...it was so surprising. You know, her name was not John Smith....

About the messege you brought us i find very interesting to think that mantis could change sides under the protection of mother earth. Accelerating the process of freeing this world. I will send my love to this beings too, we´ll see.

LOVE
Juan

Hey, Juan, snaps for the Lily Earthling synchronicity! Trailer’s below. Too creepy for me. {insert shiver smilie}

How I understand it…relatively speaking, the time is fast approaching when there’ll be no turning back for the astral beings. They and their illusionary matrix of light/dark control will be space dust because it’s inorganic, i.e. not of Source.

This 3D game is about freedom of choice. Everyone including the mantids have an opportunity to step out of the hierarchy of control and power of the false matrix overlay that’s on a time loop of light and dark existence.

There’s another choice which is the organic timeline. One that the tricksters do not want us to awaken too. One in which is a direct link to Source rather than the endless recycle in karmic wheel of reincarnation of duality and its roller coaster ride of survival.

Organic life is as easy as living in the moment. Right now. Present means whole body awareness. Our frequency is raised when we’re in full participation in countless way such as connections with family and friends, music, art, nature, gardening, knowledge. It’s raised when we feed these bodies with whole foods and drink. When we're weeding out the lower frequency emotions. And when we’re actively participating in regeneration of mind, body, soul.

Centered in whole body senses, we ascertain we’re born of Source. That we too are manifesters of creation with ideas and problem solving skills to grow our life and connect along with...and...on...Mother Earth which is also Source. Who offers her self a place for us to participate with Source in the human vehicle form.


Room 1408
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With heart,
Paula <3

[onawah]

Even though the momentum of this thread may be spent, imho,, the following was too good to pass up adding on to it.
My intention is not that it be directed at anyone, rather it is in praise and support of a process that hopefully we can all engage in, messengers and receivers alike, in examination not only of the messages, but of ourselves, the messengers and the receivers as well.
For the process to remain honest, we all have to be meticulous in exercising and developing our discernment.
In retrospect, what once appeared obvious may prove to be much more complex in time.
The truth can be a mutable thing, and may appear different from different perspectives, so this too, must be taken into account.
Each individual is one facet of the prism through which the light of truth passes, and each facet presents a different aspect of the whole.
Even when we put put all the facets together, we may each interpret the truth in a different way, but that doesn't make any one interpretation irrelevant.
From:
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/individual-power-in-a-decaying-world/


Individual power in a decaying world
by Jon Rappoport
Individual power in a decaying world.

by Jon Rappoport

May 9, 2015

Exit From The Matrix

Here are quotes from my work-in-progress, The Underground. I wrote this material in the lead-up to putting together my second collection, Exit From The Matrix.

“Solutions to private problems and public problems require the ability to think things through, logically, and to reject what is unworkable or biased—but above and beyond that, a person needs to be able to imagine solutions that haven’t been tried before. He can’t keep asking other people to invent solutions for him. This is the hardest lesson. The habit of demanding that others come up with answers, that others find a way out of the tunnel—this habit is based on the assumption that one’s own power of imagination is grossly limited, which is a lie. You might say it is the central lie.”

“The world says defect from your own power. Never find out what it is. Assume it isn’t there. The world says all life is about the species, not about the individual. The world says you should use every excuse in the book to define how small and helpless you are.”

“When propagandists find a good thing, a message that works, they pound on it, they keep hammering away. Family, group, family, group, community. On and on. They never promote the message called The Individual with the same intensity. That would be counter-productive to what they are trying to accomplish: group identity; and amnesia about being an individual.”

“Civilization continues to erode and decay, as individual power is put on the back burner. But that doesn’t give the individual a license to surrender. If others want to give up, that’s their business. The individual, instead, finds new frontiers for his power, for his capacity to invent reality.”

“A confession of helplessness doesn’t earn you a gold star on the blackboard. There is no gold star or blackboard. There is you, expanding the scope and range of your own power. And what is that power? It comes in two forms or venues. First, there is the ability to apply logic to events and information; to think rationally from A to B to C; to analyze. And second, there is imagination, the capacity to conceive and then invent realities that would never otherwise exist in the world.”

“Individual power doesn’t need to make rigid distinctions between what is done for self vs. what is done for others. Social engineers and propagandists make those separations. You exercise your creative power to fulfill what you deeply desire; and that process will, in fact, spill over and affect others in a positive way. It will lift them up. It will remind them that they, too, have power.”

“Logic and analysis keeps you from being sent down wrong roads, keeps you from buying official reality. Logic also reminds you that you have a mind. Logic is a road that can take you deeper and deeper into more basic fallacies that underpin organized society and its branches of knowledge. Logic tells you there are always more fundamental questions to ask and answer. There are levels of lies. The deeper you go, the more confident you become. The more powerful. Logic also lets you know when you’re projecting basic pre-judgments over a whole landscape and neglecting to look at the details.”

Exit From the Matrix

“Despair about the condition of society and the world is not a function of your power. It’s a moment of reflection, or it’s yet one more excuse for inaction and passivity. “What can we do about it all?” is a misdirected question. The actual target of that question is you. You’re asking yourself. And with your power, you can find an answer.”

“Passivity is a disease. It spreads and takes over. It makes strong people weak, and weak people demented. The passive life is precisely and exactly a life without power. The cure is a life lived with power.”

“In case there is any misunderstanding, the ability to help others and defend them from oppression is part and parcel of your own power. How could you help them without your power? How could you accomplish anything at all in that direction? How would denying your own power possibly result in a good outcome? And most importantly, it is through imagination that you can devise new ways to expose and reduce oppression, ways that haven’t been thought of before.”

“As society continues to decay, more and people attack individual power and place their faith in a program that reduces every human to a lowest common denominator of dependence on some controlling entity. This article of faith is surrender.”

“Some people want to say that power is a neutral object that can be used for good or evil. That isn’t true. Your power is alive. It’s personal. It’s stunningly energetic and dynamic. It connects with your deepest understanding of what is true and good and right. But it never sacrifices itself on the altar of what others insist is good and true and right. It never deserts you for an abstract ideology someone else has devised. That ideology was formulated, in fact, to separate you from your power.”

“It takes great power and energy for a person to bury his own power.”

Jon Rappoport


One of the posts on the thread that was closed recently made me wonder why some folks decide to join Avalon.
As I see it, Avalon is all about inquiry, sifting and sorting through whatever evidence we can collect, using our intellects, our intuition and any other tools at our disposal to arrive at the truth as responsibly as we can about what is going on behind the scenes on our planet and beyond.
If we are more interested in protecting what we believe and are not comfortable with any questioning about those beliefs, what is the point in coming here?
I think we usually (sometimes to a fault) have a high regard for the various whistleblowers and truth seekers we discuss here, and are very appreciative of what they have shared with the world.
Such people must know when they signed up for their missions in life that no one in this field is going to be exempt from questioning and on Avalon, that's how it was always intended to be, and with very good reason.
Avalon is not perfect, there are weaknesses, but our business here is finding out what we can about what is going on on this planet, the whos, the whys, the wheres and the hows.
It's partly because people are passive and DON'T question that the human race is currently in the pickle that it's in.
I don't think that people ask the kinds of questions that we ask on Avalon if they haven't already done enough inner work to realize that something is very wrong about the way things have been run on the planet for far too long.
Inner work has to be complemented by outer work-- we have to lay the foundation, but if we don't act, nothing changes, and to act rightly, we must first ask the right questions to gain the right understanding.