Jay Rockefeller Speaks out Against the Dumbing Down by News Mass Media

[ascendingstarseed]

Lately my pet peeve has been the lack of news in the news, and how stations like Fox parade around as news stations when they are nothing more than a massive propaganda machine acting as thought it's news, but it's actually entertainment disguised as news. Once the news divisions had to begin to make a profit, investigative reporting and real news journalism began to slowly fade in to the distant past. IN 1976 the movie "Network" exemplified what's going on now.

And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do.

Now what's really weird folks, is it sounds to me if as he were actually speaking in the best interests of the people - not the ruling elite, or to be precise...the corporations that appear to be at the heart of our problems. I was shocked when I heard him speak, it seems we may be reaching a tipping point and maybe not everyone in the government or the Rockefeller family is courting the dark side.

I actually got reemed by a few people here on PA for voting and encouraging people to FIGHT for change within the existing system. As opposed to sitting at home all pissed off withholding my vote until some day in the future when the world operates on a level I think it should...to me this speaks volumes for change we can believe in.

I heard Jay's speech on Randi Rhodes show, here's her website, scroll down for more information on Jay's speech. Anyone who hasn't listened to her really needs to tune in, she's literally one of the only people on the radio speaking the truth for the average person...and speaking it with the facts.

http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html

In case the story is taken down my the time you see it...this is a powerful speech


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo5eovdMRI&feature=player_embedded

[Teakai]

It sounds like he's only talking about pay/cable (?) TV.

Do people in the US have to pay for all their TV viewing?

Maybe he's trying to get rid of shows like...Jesse Ventura????? and other cable shows which might be revealing.

My suspicious mind says that 'they' know a lot of people are tuning into 'alternative' forms of media - and they want to stop it - by exerting control over what goes out in cable packages and looking like the good guys at the same time.

[witchy1]

Hi ac, thanks for this. I have listened to it 3 times and took notes (3 pages). He is clearly a great orator.

Very impressive the first time. I was naturally drawn to and focussed on the good things he was saying and agreed with the negative points about the media (cost, content, quality etc) totally brought into it. The media is broken. He talked about everything that the public complain about including not being able to see a sports game and how it annoy him as well. (he hungers for quality news)
The second time I tried to focus out the sell side and the emotive language. Redid notes without them.
so I listened again, stopping and starting the vid. This is what I got out of it without the noise. Up until 2.44 he is highly critical of the media simply mimicing every bad thing that is said about the media.
at 2.44 he states "I am only here to make this statement". (then quickly reflects back to support earlier statements) then launches into a new topic of retransmission consent - local broadcaster to negotiate with cable and satellite companies for carriage of the local stations, then says what happens when it works and then when it doesnt (black screen for sports). He then states:

"If you fail to fix this problem - all 3 parts of it - We are going to fix it for you but when we do that, we will seek to do more that referee your corporate money disputes, because its more than just retransmission consent that ails our television markets. We need more catalysts for quality news (and entertainment programming....)" Then reverts to talking about all things wrong with the media. Sounds a bit like hes got it in for fox and mscn and more speak for the appaling state of the media. ( I hunger for quality news)

He states he wants people to stop using the internet and other areas as a source of news
He wants slimmed down channel packages that better respect what we really want to watch at a cheaper cost (so sheeple will watch "quality" news that has been manipulated all at a cheaper cost??) How does he know what people really want to watch - hmmmmm.

There is no description of what he considers "quality" news - they own the media anyway, so what are they doing. And what does he mean by "catalyst" for news. Who is going to create the news???

Yes my notes are taken out of context - but for master manipulators, there is always a message hidden in amongst it all. I have read and listened a few times about the style used by people to manipulate communication to the masses - its all about disregarding the emotions and the red herrings and watching for the punchline......

I just dunno - I am happy to be wrong on this, maybe he was just annoyed he missed the sports. I enjoyed listening to him to be honest. A very clever man. I would so like to believe him
W

[ascendingstarseed]

It sounds like he's only talking about pay/cable (?) TV.

Do people in the US have to pay for all their TV viewing?

Maybe he's trying to get rid of shows like...Jesse Ventura????? and other cable shows which might be revealing.

My suspicious mind says that 'they' know a lot of people are tuning into 'alternative' forms of media - and they want to stop it - by exerting control over what goes out in cable packages and looking like the good guys at the same time.


My background is in Radio Broadcasting so I can speak on this issue with some authority, and have seen the entire industry crumble away over the last 20 years. I've watched foreign news bureau's all over the world get shut down by bean counters because they weren't profitable for the company. I've seen the best of the best in journalism leave the business or be miserable in jobs they once loved because they can no longer conduct honest investigative reporting because it will damage the reputation of station sponsors, politicians or some other capitalistic nonsense having nothing to do with telling people what they need to know.

Instead of repeating myself, here's a thread I had going with Deega last week on this very same issue where I go into detail what has happened to the media in the last 20 years and why news has been canceled, DOA. I really wish people here on PA would enlighten themselves on the importance of getting news from credible sources and that there aren't any left in mass media. I constantly see politically biased content people post on PA that are simply lies, and I can tell they've been sitting there listening to Fox News, one their affiliates, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge etc because they're all telling the same lies in lockstep everyday.

And until people start getting their news from credible sources this nation will stay confused, dumb down with no one knowing up from down.

Here's the thread...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7906-Glenn-Beck-%C2%96-15-Days-of-Economic-Collapse!

Yes, most people have cable or satellite TV which is a service you pay for. No this has nothing to do with getting rid of Jesse Ventura, this has to do with the lack of real news in programs that claim to be reporting the news but are doing nothing more than editorializing the news. Telling people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear. There was a time when news was a public service offered to the community and the networks/local stations didn't make a profit from delivering the news. Once news got handed over to the Programming Depts to make a profit news became competitive and now it's served up as entertainment slathered with biased political opinion. When the news becomes something about the newscaster or their opinion, it's no longer news.

This is a HUGE issue and problem that most Americans really have little understanding for, and they think that because they trust or can relate to the person they invite into their living room every nite that this person is telling them the truth. When people like Glenn Beck and Fox News are all about lies and political propaganda that have nothing to do with the news that concerns our lives. MSNBC isn't much better, but at least they try to get the facts right. Both stations are editorializing and politicizing the news...its not an authentic, unbiased news report when the reporters opinion is interjected at any time.

The ONLY real newscast left on TV is the Jim Leher Hour on PBS and now Republicans in Congress want to put PBS on the chopping block.

Something needs to happen and if it means the government stepping in to regulate the situation then I have no problem with that because mass media is dredging the bottom right now and it can't get much worse. I used to be a TV news junkie, I'm still a news junkie but I no longer watch TV or TV news because I hit an epiphany when I realized how deep the programming and mind control is. It'll be interesting to see what happens, because I doubt that Rockefeller speech will have much affect since the stations he's talking about are owned by conservative Republicans who are using the media to shape public opinion to their viewpoint. But, it sounded like he meant business, and this hearing was about Fox's predatory business practices with their affiliates - not about news content.

I remember the day when there were honest news reporters and stations that reported the news the good, the bad and the ugly because it's what we need to hear to make well informed decisions. News stations competed to get the story right, not for ratings and sponsors. The Vietnam War stopped when reporters finally sent photograph home with innocent people running from burning villages with their skin hanging off their burning bodies. People were outraged at the horrors and it wasn't long before the war ended after that.

But the Bush crime family made sure nothing like that gets aired with the current wars because independent reporters aren't allowed to cover the war, only reporters from major networks and accompanied by troops so everything is censored.

I really encourage everyone to listen to Randi Rhodes, she's working so hard at helping people understand what's happened in the media and is talking about an issue very few have had the integrity to cover in an honest manner.

"Progressive" talk radio is about the only source for real honest feedback on what's happening, they're the only ones providing us with verifiable facts. This is an issue I've examined from a professional perspective for a long time now and until things change, it's a waste of time to watch TV news and the only thing on the radio that's credible anymore is a new format called Progressive with stations in Seattle, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and a few others as it catch's on in popularity.

There are only around 50 Progressive talk stations nationwide, and about 1000 conservative right wing propaganda stations that all walk in lockstep with each other with the same BS day in and day out. Most of it's political opinion mixed with hate, racism and it's all aimed at supporting the nest interests of Corporate America and the transnational corporations that are taking all the jobs overseas. It's all about profits for corporations that have no value for human life and are turning America into a third world country in the name of profits and low wages.

So who knows what Jay Rockefeller's motives are, we'll have to see. But maybe this is a sign that people in Congress are also sick to death of the lack of honest investigative reporting on current events, both national and international. We all want to know what's happening in the world but without foreign news bureaus and reporters we're not getting world news. Newscasts have become nothing but a joke and anyone trained in broadcast news or who is old enough to remember what is was like to watch Walter Cronkite's newscasts should relate to my point here that the news has been canceled for a long time now...so long most people have no idea what a real newscast is.

Be sure to check out my other thread, I go into detail on what's happened and why. And also please check out Randi on line, you can find streaming talk radio like Seattle's KTPK and at normangoldman.com he even offers free podcasts of his show. And he's great too.. a former lawyer taking politics apart from the legal perspective, and he really fights for the working class.

We can't all come together on the same page until we are all getting credible information ...thanks for your feedback Teakai!

[witchy1]

good greif, I had no idea - hows that for censorship. Maybe JR will come through????

[ascendingstarseed]

Hi ac, thanks for this. I have listened to it 3 times and took notes (3 pages). He is clearly a great orator.

Very impressive the first time. I was naturally drawn to and focussed on the good things he was saying and agreed with the negative points about the media (cost, content, quality etc) totally brought into it. The media is broken. He talked about everything that the public complain about including not being able to see a sports game and how it annoy him as well. (he hungers for quality news)
The second time I tried to focus out the sell side and the emotive language. Redid notes without them.
so I listened again, stopping and starting the vid. This is what I got out of it without the noise. Up until 2.44 he is highly critical of the media simply mimicing every bad thing that is said about the media.
at 2.44 he states "I am only here to make this statement". (then quickly reflects back to support earlier statements) then launches into a new topic of retransmission consent - local broadcaster to negotiate with cable and satellite companies for carriage of the local stations, then says what happens when it works and then when it doesnt (black screen for sports). He then states:

"If you fail to fix this problem - all 3 parts of it - We are going to fix it for you but when we do that, we will seek to do more that referee your corporate money disputes, because its more than just retransmission consent that ails our television markets. We need more catalysts for quality news (and entertainment programming....)" Then reverts to talking about all things wrong with the media. Sounds a bit like hes got it in for fox and mscn and more speak for the appaling state of the media. ( I hunger for quality news)

Go for it Jay...especially Fox. I'm starved for quality news too. MSNBC is political news programming for the left, but at least they try to get the facts right. Fox news notoriously lies, they don't check facts because they make stories up. Appalling is a compliment for Fox, they are the bottom of the barrel and have absolutely no credibility in the industry. Honestly, they should be taken off the air because it is nothing but one MASSIVE propaganda machine for the Republican party. It would be one thing if they reported political issues from an honest, somewhat objective viewpoint. But they don't, they are so completely biased that they would never even admit the party did anything wrong. That is NOT news!!

Standards in practices, some kind of regulation needs to be in place to keep organizations like Fox honest and serving the best interests of the community, because right now they are guilty of lying and fear mongering 3 million viewers down the path to Oz. Most people who listen are so confused on the facts and have a totally disillusioned perspective on reality here in America, I've seen my step mom turn into someone I barely know after watching FOX 24/7 for the last few years. I can't even have a rational discussion with her on current events because she's clueless, and now she thinks I"m the enemy because I'm a progressive - a "lefty" OMG!!What Fox is doing is criminal and needs to be stopped. Although I'm curious as to Jays idea of catalysts....

He states he wants people to stop using the internet and other areas as a source of news

I didn't get that from him, that he wanted people to stop using the internet for news. What he was saying is that people are now turning to the internet for free TV programming because the cost in cable has become so high and people don't want these big channel packages when statistically most people watch less the 5-10 TV stations on a regular basis. I think he's like to see fewer stations with better, more quality programming that the cr*p we have now...500 stations and nothing to watch.
He wants slimmed down channel packages that better respect what we really want to watch at a cheaper cost (so sheeple will watch "quality" news that has been manipulated all at a cheaper cost??) How does he know what people really want to watch - hmmmmm.

Anyone from his generation knows the difference between newscast today and newscast of the 70's when there was still real investigative reporting in news content, not reporters reading from the AP wire. If Nixon were President today he would never be impeached because journalists do not do the kind of investigative reporting they used to. And news didn't use to be entertainment, they told us what we "needed" to hear not what we "want" to hear. Anymore the news just placates people.

There is no description of what he considers "quality" news - they own the media anyway, so what are they doing. And what does he mean by "catalyst" for news. Who is going to create the news???

Now the Rockefellers aren't big owners in the media industry. The media is run by about 6 different transnational corporations and has been taken over mostly by neo-cons from the right wing, so I suspect there's somewhat of a war about to take place behind the scenes because he's right - there's a race to the bottom of the barrel where content is concerned. There's a lot of infighting taking place within the Illuminati right now, so maybe the media is an area where we'll soon be witnessing a battle.


Yes my notes are taken out of context - but for master manipulators, there is always a message hidden in amongst it all. I have read and listened a few times about the style used by people to manipulate communication to the masses - its all about disregarding the emotions and the red herrings and watching for the punchline......

I just dunno - I am happy to be wrong on this, maybe he was just annoyed he missed the sports. I enjoyed listening to him to be honest. A very clever man. I would so like to believe him
W

Wow great job breaking his speech down! The reason for these hearings was the retransmission issue, apparently Fox was basically using extortion practices on it's affiliates forcing them to buy 80 channels of programming for the privilege to air the World Series. If they didn't take the 80 useless stations then they couldn't air the World Series. Well, the station didn't cave to Fox's demands so lots of people missed the World Series this year. Which is total BS, the audience shouldn't be punished and used as pawns for predatory capitalists who are only interested in profits instead of providing quality content to viewers.

So the hearings weren't even held to cover the issue of news content and that's what the retransmission issue concerns.

Like you I hunger for quality news content and it sounds like Rockefeller does too..I addressed that in my reply to Teakai, I agree something definitely needs to happen to address this issue.
This will be an interesting one to follow for sure...if you can get a chance to listen to Progressive talk radio DO SO! From the sounds of it I think you would really enjoy listening because it truly is about the only place to get honest feedback on the news by people who provide verifiable facts, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman are two of my favorites, Mike Malloy is too although he can be a little on the angry side sometimes...but usually for good reason.

I also have another thread on this subject that goes into more detail on why news is so dysfunctional today, my degree is in radio broadcasting and I worked in radio for over three years so I can speak with some authority on the subject as I've seen the whole industry crumble over the last 20 yrs.

Here's the thread...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...omic-Collapse!

Also listen to Randi Rhodes, she's doing an absolutely amazing job at helping people understand what's going on with mass media and why the news has been canceled...for all intense purposes. She's been compared to Howard Stern meets Joan Rivers, so she's also quite entertaining and a real breath of fresh air to listen to someone who tells the truth and who does their homework - she knows her stuff! Surely she's streaming on a progressive talk station somewhere that you can listen to... and she also has podcasts.

[Monitor]

My fellow avolonians

This video is very "important" . Pay very special attention to the "emphasis" on words spoken in this video...this is how mind control works...

[ascendingstarseed]

My fellow avolonians

This video is very "important" . Pay very special attention to the "emphasis" on words spoken in this video...this is how mind control works...

Can you be more specific Monitor? Please enlighten us on the emphasis that you're referring to...

[Teakai]

My background is in Radio Broadcasting so I can speak on this issue with some authority, and have seen the entire industry crumble away over the last 20 years. I've watched foreign news bureau's all over the world get shut down by bean counters because they weren't profitable for the company. I've seen the best of the best in journalism leave the business or be miserable in jobs they once loved because they can no longer conduct honest investigative reporting because it will damage the reputation of station sponsors, politicians or some other capitalistic nonsense having nothing to do with telling people what they need to know.

Instead of repeating myself, here's a thread I had going with Deega last week on this very same issue where I go into detail what has happened to the media in the last 20 years and why news has been canceled, DOA. I really wish people here on PA would enlighten themselves on the importance of getting news from credible sources and that there aren't any left in mass media. I constantly see politically biased content people post on PA that are simply lies, and I can tell they've been sitting there listening to Fox News, one their affiliates, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge etc because they're all telling the same lies in lockstep everyday.

And until people start getting their news from credible sources this nation will stay confused, dumb down with no one knowing up from down.

Here's the thread...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7906-Glenn-Beck-%C2%96-15-Days-of-Economic-Collapse!

Yes, most people have cable or satellite TV which is a service you pay for. No this has nothing to do with getting rid of Jesse Ventura, this has to do with the lack of real news in programs that claim to be reporting the news but are doing nothing more than editorializing the news. Telling people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear. There was a time when news was a public service offered to the community and the networks/local stations didn't make a profit from delivering the news. Once news got handed over to the Programming Depts to make a profit news became competitive and now it's served up as entertainment slathered with biased political opinion. When the news becomes something about the newscaster or their opinion, it's no longer news.

This is a HUGE issue and problem that most Americans really have little understanding for, and they think that because they trust or can relate to the person they invite into their living room every nite that this person is telling them the truth. When people like Glenn Beck and Fox News are all about lies and political propaganda that have nothing to do with the news that concerns our lives. MSNBC isn't much better, but at least they try to get the facts right. Both stations are editorializing and politicizing the news...its not an authentic, unbiased news report when the reporters opinion is interjected at any time.

The ONLY real newscast left on TV is the Jim Leher Hour on PBS and now Republicans in Congress want to put PBS on the chopping block.

Something needs to happen and if it means the government stepping in to regulate the situation then I have no problem with that because mass media is dredging the bottom right now and it can't get much worse. I used to be a TV news junkie, I'm still a news junkie but I no longer watch TV or TV news because I hit an epiphany when I realized how deep the programming and mind control is. It'll be interesting to see what happens, because I doubt that Rockefeller speech will have much affect since the stations he's talking about are owned by conservative Republicans who are using the media to shape public opinion to their viewpoint. But, it sounded like he meant business, and this hearing was about Fox's predatory business practices with their affiliates - not about news content.

I remember the day when there were honest news reporters and stations that reported the news the good, the bad and the ugly because it's what we need to hear to make well informed decisions. News stations competed to get the story right, not for ratings and sponsors. The Vietnam War stopped when reporters finally sent photograph home with innocent people running from burning villages with their skin hanging off their burning bodies. People were outraged at the horrors and it wasn't long before the war ended after that.

But the Bush crime family made sure nothing like that gets aired with the current wars because independent reporters aren't allowed to cover the war, only reporters from major networks and accompanied by troops so everything is censored.

I really encourage everyone to listen to Randi Rhodes, she's working so hard at helping people understand what's happened in the media and is talking about an issue very few have had the integrity to cover in an honest manner.

"Progressive" talk radio is about the only source for real honest feedback on what's happening, they're the only ones providing us with verifiable facts. This is an issue I've examined from a professional perspective for a long time now and until things change, it's a waste of time to watch TV news and the only thing on the radio that's credible anymore is a new format called Progressive with stations in Seattle, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and a few others as it catch's on in popularity.

There are only around 50 Progressive talk stations nationwide, and about 1000 conservative right wing propaganda stations that all walk in lockstep with each other with the same BS day in and day out. Most of it's political opinion mixed with hate, racism and it's all aimed at supporting the nest interests of Corporate America and the transnational corporations that are taking all the jobs overseas. It's all about profits for corporations that have no value for human life and are turning America into a third world country in the name of profits and low wages.

So who knows what Jay Rockefeller's motives are, we'll have to see. But maybe this is a sign that people in Congress are also sick to death of the lack of honest investigative reporting on current events, both national and international. We all want to know what's happening in the world but without foreign news bureaus and reporters we're not getting world news. Newscasts have become nothing but a joke and anyone trained in broadcast news or who is old enough to remember what is was like to watch Walter Cronkite's newscasts should relate to my point here that the news has been canceled for a long time now...so long most people have no idea what a real newscast is.

Be sure to check out my other thread, I go into detail on what's happened and why. And also please check out Randi on line, you can find streaming talk radio like Seattle's KTPK and at normangoldman.com he even offers free podcasts of his show. And he's great too.. a former lawyer taking politics apart from the legal perspective, and he really fights for the working class.

We can't all come together on the same page until we are all getting credible information ...thanks for your feedback Teakai!

I'm not quite getting your viewpoint, Ascendingstarseed.
Are you saying that Jay Rockerfeller wants the public to know that 911 was a set-up?
That the US has a puppet government and that the globalists are screwing with the economy in order to bankrupt the US and all that other stuff that we're only getting from the alternative media?

Also - do you really think it's about telling people what they want to hear and not want they need to hear rather than it being about what the 'ptb' want the people to know?

I just went and started reading the other thread you linked to and another question arose when I read that you thought Glenn Beck ought to be taken off air because of the damage he's doing to the country - do you think the corporate media isn't controlled and that the destruction of the US isn't one of the major goals of the Globalists?

Going back to read more.

[lightblue]

monitor:
My fellow avolonians

This video is very "important" . Pay very special attention to the "emphasis" on words spoken in this video...this is how mind control works...


i think this has nothing to do with mind control - the practice is way more sophisticated than this address..

mr jr is not even a skillful demagogue ....he is probably relying on market research data obtained amongs other ways through following forums such as this one is...ONLY, he and/or his agents forget that the targeted viewership is a lot more smarter these days...

he doesn't quite manage any more to have it his way - which is a cause of some concern to him... l


.

[Monitor]

Firstly pay attention to the "all" the words spoken. Replay and and pay attention to the words that are more "emphasized" than others..."as in more emphasized"....ie louder and articulate.

PS: the puzzle is not good, if the solver as to many clues.

[observer]

Again, I must reiterate. This is all a carefully contrived orchestration of the 'master agenda' - More Control.

Mr. Rockefeller is a central figure (in the highest echelons) of the global elite power structure. His membership in all of the 'clubs of darkest secrets' is well advertised.

There is ONLY one fundamental issue here. It is addressed in the following video clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPAQlbmlSc

Mr. Rockefeller's 'grandstanding' in the OP's video is nothing short of: a 'major player' in the Council on Foreign Relations putting the media (under the CFR's control) on notice - in a public way - to draw the attention of the hypnotized Masses away from the way the 'system' works.

[MariaDine]

Let me see...

Political controled Media (radio, tv, newspapers, magazines)
Media survival depending on «sales» (from Advertizing, Sponsors, etc)
Mobile acess to Information (mobile phones acess Web, Tv, Newpapers etc)
Proliferation of local independent radios
General dependence of the worldwide Medias on a few «respectable» distributors of news (Reuters, etc)

...Ya.!..Portugal is in the same «boat» as the USA.........

[Teakai]

Something needs to happen and if it means the government stepping in to regulate the situation then I have no problem with that because mass media is dredging the bottom right now and it can't get much worse.

It's all about profits for corporations that have no value for human life and are turning America into a third world country in the name of profits and low wages.


OK - back from reading it and it seems to me - especially after reading this: "Something needs to happen and if it means the government stepping in to regulate the situation then I have no problem with that because mass media is dredging the bottom right now and it can't get much worse."
on this thread - that we are on completely different channels.

I see the government and the mainstream media all being controlled by the same entity (of which the Rockerfeller family is a part)

I do very much agree that it's all about the interests of corporations and profit at the cost of human benefit.

I could well be wrong - and would dearly love to be, but assorted evidence suggests not.

I found this as a good example of the news we get (or don't get) Would you agree or disagree that it works that way?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KiLMOgwZzY

[Teakai]

good greif, I had no idea - hows that for censorship. Maybe JR will come through????

He never did on Dallas - he was always a nasty so and so.
:p

[witchy1]

good catch Teakai

[Celine]

Familes are changing...

Yours, mine...

and Theirs.

[DawgBone]

Corporations own our mainstream media. The American Republic is largely an illusion. Our congressmen are owned. Our government is in fact a soft form of corporate fascism, supported by the Roberts Court.

We are in deep trouble.

[Teakai]

good catch Teakai

Yeah, I'm really on the ball tonight.
hyuk hyuk
:eyebrows:
*groan*

[Celine]

We are in deep trouble.


i must disagree...seems to me the winds are in our favor.

[Teakai]

Familes are changing...

Yours, mine...

and Theirs.

Hi Celine,
are you meaning that Rockefeller might be having a change of heart?

I've listened to Svali talk about her experience of being a member of these families and the methods of indoctrination they use - and I would say it would take an absolutely huge amount of courage to stand up and speak out against the 'organisation'.

And if they did and if they were caught doing it, they would meet an untimely end - because the way these people work the individual is nothing.

[Celine]

Oh goodness no..

But their position/power is...their structure has to adapt to the changes in us (the "common" ppl)

[jackovesk]

Rockefeller is up to something, listen how he uses empathy to get his point across. He has obviously had a recent briefing from one of his Focus Groups/Think Tanks and uses DoubleSpeak and Empathy to come across as a Politician who cares? LOL

These fools have had a lifetime to act on improving Transparency & Content within the MSM and have done nothing except use it as their own Propaganda Machine!

Wasn't it Jay Rockefeller who has led the way, by wanting to “filter” out certain banned content on the internet. He is simply continuing his family’s tradition of oppressing free humanity, and has pushed forward Cybersecurity legislation that has already passed the House. He has done so in the name of warding off ghastly cyber “attackers” conceivably fronting for al Qaeda while ushering in a means to restrict free speech and expression online for the general population. With Obama’s support, most of the developed world has accepted plans for government-approved online activity and Pentagon-monitored internet traffic.

All this coming from a man whose best buddy on his left, Mr 322 'Bonesman' John Kerry who has never done anything of consequence since coming to the Whitehouse is commended for his hard work in this area. Gimmie A Break!

Another buddy of his George Soros was OUTED on Fox as the head of the Secret Govt. Crime Syndicate!

Watch this...

Glenn Beck - George Soros' Plan To Take Down America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwfGmBe3xk

In the 1st part of this expose, Beck admitted that the Soros sponsored ADL wanted to take down the Fox Network.

I think Rockefeller is siding with his Crime Buddy George Soros and will use his power and influence to get the job done!

We all know the Globalist Elite has many sides and factions. Well it looks like to me we are now starting to find out who they really are!

Interesting times ahead...

[witchy1]

I've listened to Svali talk about her experience of being a member of these families and the methods of indoctrination they use

Where might I find this wee bit of information dear Teakai????

[Teakai]

Oh goodness no..

But their position/power is...their structure has to adapt to the changes in us (the "common" ppl)

I do agree, Celine.

I've been wondering about 'how' they would adapt to people waking up and realising the manipulation and the end plan.
Would they then hurry the agenda
and would it collapse
because the timing
was thrown off
course?

Or will people not wake up until it's too late to do anything about it?
That, IMO, will be when the microchips are in place.

Or will it happen whether or not people wake up, like it did with Judaism - the end of an age welcomes a new religion.

I just don't see them giving up easily, throwing up their hands and saying 'Oh bugger, well, so much for that plan."
Too much has been invested in it for them to do that.

Or will we all suddenly attain some amazing form of true enlightenment that will genetically affect each and every person on the earth that the age of aquarius will indeed be the age of enlightenment.

I'm really hoping it's the last one.
:)

[Teakai]

Where might I find this wee bit of information dear Teakai????

Hi Witchy, just google Svali and take your pick. Here's a project Camelot piece on her: http://www.projectcamelot.org/svali.html

with quite a few links.

I'd say enjoy - but I doubt you will. I didn't.

[DawgBone]

i must disagree...seems to me the winds are in our favor.

I like an optimist!

:--)

[Zook]

Good morning Jackovesk, the Earth says hello!


Rockefeller is up to something, listen how he uses empathy to get his point across. He has obviously had a recent briefing from one of his Focus Groups/Think Tanks and uses DoubleSpeak and Empathy to come across as a Politician who cares? LOL
[...]


Being a Rockefeller, JR has more power in his blueblood pinky than Soros has cached away in all the banks that launder his bloodred money.




Glenn Beck - George Soros' Plan To Take Down America
[...]
In the 1st part of this expose, Beck admitted that the Soros sponsored ADL wanted to take down the Fox Network.
I think Rockefeller is siding with his Crime Buddy George Soros and will use his power and influence to get the job done!
We all know the Globalist Elite has many sides and factions. Well it looks like to me we are now starting to find out who they really are!
Interesting times ahead...

Good points. I would only hazard further that if Soros is being positioned as the fall guy, then his time on the Surface Earth is probably short (e.g. natural illness; lower pyramid assassination target; the preparation of his exit into underground bunkers, etc.). He is possibly being used as the rabbit in a greyhound chase ... with the rest of us being the greyhounds ... and TBastardsTB being the racetrack owners and bettors.


:typing:

ps: Glenn Beck is about as disgusting as those things that disgust maggots. MO, OC.

[Carmody]

recall Dolores Cannon's statement on going into a somnambulistic state within a maximum of 30 seconds when watching video. The best anyone has ever managed to achieve is 30 seconds. That is humanity's --BEST.

It is an issue of the design of the human mind, regarding flashing images reconstructed/interpreted in the human mind. Video-hypnotism. subconscious-suggestive.

But, we have a millennia old capacity to understand when we have been lied to by a person directly, and also, due to the video component not being there..when in print -as well. The print part is that it allows part of our mind to not be occupied by the presentation. (so the whole mind is not occupied).

I have not watched video on about 12 years or so. No TV. Nada. Zip.

It clears the mind nicely and gets the human system back to what it does best..which is to think freely,and not be in a hypnotic state. The hypnotic state is also comforting, in a way like sucking on Mama's tit. The mind goes blank. it is a form of escape.

Stay the hell away from television. Seriously.

Do it, do it now. Banish television from your life and your house.

My point is that you can't trust television, it's producers or the people on it. Some are good but the damage to your cognitive capacities is simply not worth it, not for one second.

Find your own truth, get off the television and stop sleeping your life away.

BTW, Jay is lying. I can tell, his lips are moving.

[Carmody]

The other thing that may alert you to the point I'm trying to make, is that Sir John Logie Baird created/invented television as a device to contact the spirit world. Spinning color discs..finding the right frequency to excite the mind......

In the modern world.. due to Mengle's experiments on people..and that of Edison trying to take down Tesla'/s AC electrical power system....and due to US states trying to find the best and most efficiency way of killing people..combined with trying to find the the perfect practical induction frequency for AC currents and voltages...it was found that..:

An AC (alternating current or in this case alternating signal or frequency) frequency of signal that is PERFECT for stopping the human heart and killing a person..is JUST below that of 60hz. I mean a HAIR below 60hz. (60 cycles per second)

The NTSC managed to get the AC or framing/rate frequency on the old CRT type interlaced scanning system (that came from John Baird) to JUST below 60HZ..... 59.94 Hz.

Nowadays...we have all kinds of flashy lights to mess up people's minds. All kinds of new video devices. All video is flashy hypnotic lights, not one of them is a permanent un-interrupted system, until you get to things like the Kindle e-book readers and similar., Ie, LCD calculators. Once you've been away from video for a while (6 months, maybe), you actually can feel the stress between your eyes and on your mind when you stare into it for a few seconds.

Do you get it now?

I'm not saying it is all conspiracy, not at all. But the tools are there and they are effective. That much is known.

I'm also not interested in having any CFL bulbs in my house. Not a fan. We interpret the bulb to be having a continual signal but it is indeed - pulsing. Like the video systems. Just below the threshold..you see....

[Dale]

It clears the mind nicely and gets the human system back to what it does best..which is to think freely,and not be in a hypnotic state. The hypnotic state is also comforting, in a way like sucking on Mama's tit. The mind goes blank. it is a form of escape.

Stay the hell away from television. Seriously.

Concerning television, you're absolutely right. When watching a television program, one's brain waves will drop from Beta (14-30 cycles per second) to Alpha (8-13 cycles per second) within half a minute; if not before. When in an Alpha state, one is much more likely to be influenced by external stimuli (the television program.)

The most common way a television drops one into Alpha is via rapidly flashing lights; a phenomena I've commonly called "elevator shock," based on a project I designed concerning elevators and changes between Beta/Alpha.

[grannyfranny100]

Hey how is media going to keep control of the dumbed down masses if they can't watch sports and gory stuff. Gotta' feed the masses what they want so covert mind control can go on just below their threshold of awareness. By watching TV, the higher aspects of the mind with analytical skills are superseded by the reptile brain and its inability to distinguish between reality and scripted reality. Our subconscious buys into manipulation. I think Rockefeller is annoyed because cable households are falling and this hurts mind control. If people aren't in their addictive TV stupor, it will be harder to keep them as pacified slaves.

When I was younger, I would stop watching T.V. for six months just to observe the changes where and how the media was leading people. Try it some time if you think you are highly informed by TV.

Granny Franny

[witchy1]

Hi Witchy, just google Svali and take your pick. Here's a project Camelot piece on her: http://www.projectcamelot.org/svali.html (http://www.projectcamelot.org/svali.html)



* grabs bowl - vomits* I dont think there is a human word to describe this. While we can suspect what really goes on - this is a real reality shock. What an inspiration woman - how brave. Going back in - doing more research now

Thanks mate!!!!

[Teakai]

* grabs bowl - vomits* I dont think there is a human word to describe this. While we can suspect what really goes on - this is a real reality shock. What an inspiration woman - how brave. Going back in - doing more research now

Thanks mate!!!!

You're welcome, Witchy :)
Revolting isn't it?

She reveals the mindset we're up against.
Mediocre brainwashing (TV, advertising, religion) is a powerful force - imagine the strength of this stuff.

Svali is an amazing woman.

[Humble Janitor]

Never trust a Rockefeller.

That's all I will say.

[shadowstalker]

It sounds like he's only talking about pay/cable (?) TV.

Do people in the US have to pay for all their TV viewing?

Maybe he's trying to get rid of shows like...Jesse Ventura????? and other cable shows which might be revealing.

My suspicious mind says that 'they' know a lot of people are tuning into 'alternative' forms of media - and they want to stop it - by exerting control over what goes out in cable packages and looking like the good guys at the same time.

Yes for the most part we here in the states have to pay for all tv viewing , they just had everything switched to digital this past year,(supposedly it was by law that this was done) which means no air TV. There is a little green box one is supposed to get if they want extreme basic tv, but in most cases the cable comps, will tell you it don't exit.

At least that's the way it is in Texas and Conn.

[sargeist]

.......

.......

[xbusymom]

And if they did and if they were caught doing it, they would meet an untimely end - because the way these people work the individual is nothing.

which makes me think that he was instructed to employ reverse psychology to calm the herd...

[ascendingstarseed]

OK - back from reading it and it seems to me - especially after reading this: "Something needs to happen and if it means the government stepping in to regulate the situation then I have no problem with that because mass media is dredging the bottom right now and it can't get much worse."
on this thread - that we are on completely different channels.

I see the government and the mainstream media all being controlled by the same entity (of which the Rockerfeller family is a part)

I do very much agree that it's all about the interests of corporations and profit at the cost of human benefit.

I could well be wrong - and would dearly love to be, but assorted evidence suggests not.

I found this as a good example of the news we get (or don't get) Would you agree or disagree that it works that way?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KiLMOgwZzY

Let me be clear, when I say regulations I don't mean government control, what I mean are engaging checks and balances, or a moral code of ethics journalists and newscasts are supposed to adhere to. Which is nothing new, there are journalistic ethics but no one is held to them. Like you can 't just state something is a fact without substantiating evidence to back it up, you have to have credible sources etc.

The video was right on, there are too many special interests that control content of the news, and it's not just the Israel lobby. PR firms and lobbyists manipulate the press for corporate entities all the time. The media is controlled more by corporations than the government, but now that the Citizens United ruling recognizes corporations as individuals it's allowed gazillions of corporate dollars to flood into the media for advertising political campaigns...what we have here is fascism. CU allowed for the completion of the fascist takeover of our media, in lockstep with the fascist takeover by the government.

To answer the question as to whether Rockefeller is in control of media content, we would have to pull the names of the share holders and CEO's of the six media giants. FOX is partially owned by a Middle Easterner, as well as Rupert Murdock - that's not Rockefeller.

When you say our government runs the media, you have take a look at the corporations, bankers and other special interests that donate millions to political campaigns...that's who's really running the country. When corporations are in control of the government, you have a fascist system of governing. The politicians are only puppets...they should all be wearing jump suits like race car drivers who wear patch's for all their corporate sponsors we need to know know who's pulling their strings

[ascendingstarseed]

Never trust a Rockefeller.

That's all I will say.

Now I never said I trusted him, I was actually shocked to hear those words come out of his mouth. But, before you go reading too much into what he says, he's spot on. Real honest to God journalism is a thing of the past and the news media is a joke, the average person has no idea who or what to believe anymore and IMO much of the anger today results from that confusion. News delivered with an opinion is not news, it's propaganda. Rockefeller only echoed what many of us who were trained in Broadcast journalism at least 20yrs ago are feeling.

Maybe people who don't understand what a newscast is supposed to be, don't see what's going on with the media. News started to go off track with the O'Jay Simpson trial and ever since the news has continually dumbed down the American citizens...

If Rockefeller doesn't move to correct the problem, who do you think will step forward to take the bull by the horns? And how do we address the issue and still keep a free press? By "enforcing" some sort of code of ethics and standards...you see they already exist, they're just not adhered to or enforced. Maybe that's what he was talking about, using FCC rules and regulations to enforce journalism standards...or reinstating regulations abolished under the Bush crime family.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, even tho he's right on the problem at hand, I don't trust him either HJ...

[Teakai]

Ascending starseed, the thing is - we're not getting the news - unless we access independent, or possibly overseas sources. The way I see it is that any journalistic regulations is just going to limit what 'real' news we do have available to us.

There are a group of extremely wealthy people who have an aim to control the world and have been manipulating events and governments and people in order to do so - two of those names are the Rothschilds and the Rockerfellers.

They are not going to fix any of our problems - they ARE the problem.

So, Jay Rockefeller does not want us to have the real news - he is lying through his teeth and pretending to be speaking for the people. The corporate media are losing viewers - for good reason - people aren't getting the news, and they're waking up to the fact and going to where they can find it.
That means the corporations are losing money - and that's what 'they' care about, it's not in the least about the interests of the people.

And if you think 'regulation' is one of the cures, and your background is in broadcasting, then likely there are quite a few others who agree with you - and, no offence intended, but I find that worrying.

Frankly, I'm sick to the eyeballs of corporate regulations and how stifling, not to mention, unreasonably stupid, they are.
I can just see all these independent sites closed down due to some kind of newly introduced 'corporate regulations' that have been placed upon them - and there goes what remains of our 'real' news access.

Let them close Fox and MSBCN or whatever they are - it's a load of rot anyway. The way I see it, they'd be doing the world a favour.

Sorry if that sounds like a bit of a rant, but I have to go and see to something, but I wanted to reply first.

[ascendingstarseed]

Rockefeller is up to something, listen how he uses empathy to get his point across. He has obviously had a recent briefing from one of his Focus Groups/Think Tanks and uses DoubleSpeak and Empathy to come across as a Politician who cares? LOL

These fools have had a lifetime to act on improving Transparency & Content within the MSM and have done nothing except use it as their own Propaganda Machine!

Wasn't it Jay Rockefeller who has led the way, by wanting to “filter” out certain banned content on the internet. He is simply continuing his family’s tradition of oppressing free humanity, and has pushed forward Cybersecurity legislation that has already passed the House. He has done so in the name of warding off ghastly cyber “attackers” conceivably fronting for al Qaeda while ushering in a means to restrict free speech and expression online for the general population. With Obama’s support, most of the developed world has accepted plans for government-approved online activity and Pentagon-monitored internet traffic.

All this coming from a man whose best buddy on his left, Mr 322 'Bonesman' John Kerry who has never done anything of consequence since coming to the Whitehouse is commended for his hard work in this area. Gimmie A Break!

Another buddy of his George Soros was OUTED on Fox as the head of the Secret Govt. Crime Syndicate!

Watch this...

Glenn Beck - George Soros' Plan To Take Down America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwfGmBe3xk

In the 1st part of this expose, Beck admitted that the Soros sponsored ADL wanted to take down the Fox Network.

I think Rockefeller is siding with his Crime Buddy George Soros and will use his power and influence to get the job done!

We all know the Globalist Elite has many sides and factions. Well it looks like to me we are now starting to find out who they really are!

Interesting times ahead...

You lost every bit of credibility you started with by posting a video from Glenn Beck. I scrolled down and wanted to vomit...I'll be honest, I quit reading your threads awhile back when I noticed most of your sources go back to the very people who we're fighting against. I can't believe a thing you say because of where you get your information. You need to research your sources OBJECTIVELY, if you did you would learn that Beck is the biggest LIAR in media next to Limbaugh. EVERYBODY in the business knows that - unfortunately Joe public thinks these people actually care about them...LOL!!!

Forget about Rockefeller, you obviously didn't read what I wrote about the media. This sociopath is EXACTLY the problem with the media I'm talking about. I'm sorry to say this but you're one of the victims of the mass media that have totally fed into the BS and mind control they feed you. You constantly post misleading disinfo from media sources lacking credibility and ones that are completely controlled by the mass media propaganda machine.

Look if you care about the quality of information you post, you would look up who owns the media company's that you source much of you're information from. Follow the money and you will find neo-cons, the right wing fundamentalist that have been running this country off a cliff. Much of the info you post are the very lies making people believe the wrong thing. Only agent provocateurs posts that kind of stuff - or the people they brainwash.

[Swami]

Where might I find this wee bit of information dear Teakai????

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?766-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider&highlight=svali

[norman]

Brinksmanship!.... that's what I reckon. Murdock has been kicking some ass lately, but don't EVER let that fool you that he's on our side. He's just jostling for a nicer seat around the fire.

[jackovesk]

You lost every bit of credibility you started with by posting a video from Glenn Beck. I scrolled down and wanted to vomit...I'll be honest, I quit reading your threads awhile back when I noticed most of your sources go back to the very people who we're fighting against. I can't believe a thing you say because of where you get your information. You need to research your sources OBJECTIVELY, if you did you would learn that Beck is the biggest LIAR in media next to Limbaugh. EVERYBODY in the business knows that - unfortunately Joe public thinks these people actually care about them...LOL!!!

Forget about Rockefeller, you obviously didn't read what I wrote about the media. This sociopath is EXACTLY the problem with the media I'm talking about. I'm sorry to say this but you're one of the victims of the mass media that have totally fed into the BS and mind control they feed you. You constantly post misleading disinfo from media sources lacking credibility and ones that are completely controlled by the mass media propaganda machine.

Look if you care about the quality of information you post, you would look up who owns the media company's that you source much of you're information from. Follow the money and you will find neo-cons, the right wing fundamentalist that have been running this country off a cliff. Much of the info you post are the very lies making people believe the wrong thing. Only agent provocateurs posts that kind of stuff - or the people they brainwash.

WOW!

Jay Rockefeller has SUCKED you in ascendingstarseed..!

ascendingstarseed Quote:

"And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do."

Let me be perfectly clear ascendingstarseed, I am a Fan of the TRUTH and guess what ascendingstarseed, Glenn Beck was telling the TRUTH!

I totally understand your disdain for Beck, but I have researched SOROS for years and Glenn Beck was SPOT ON!

I too will never forget that Glenn Beck said that there were no Fema Camps or the way he treated Debra Medina in a radio interview when she was running for Texas Governor!

But, I repeat he was telling the TRUTH about George Soros!

I have admitted my past mistakes on some of my previous posts i.e. Clif High Predictions, after I read Bill Ryan's expose.

What boggles me is NOT your attack on me, BUT your gullibilty of Jay Rockefeller!

I looked into some of your previous posts and here is a couple of them I find quite odd.

ascendingstarseed Quotes:

Ouote 1: "Sounds like you love bat crap crazy Rand Paul, the man is extremely dangerous in his ideas and if he has his way he will shut down government completely - ultimately killing millions of people and causing unimagined hardship on the rest...except for the elite which is who he works for. Your idea for Social Security means you are either completely out of touch with reality or insane."

What the???

Quote 2: "We have to have faith that the situation will evolve through Divine Intervention for the benefit of humanity. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I'd personally like to believe that our best hope is that Obama will be or has been visited by entities from Higher civilizations and asked to join forces with the white hats. We MUST believe that we have assistance from inter-dimensional forces working on our behalf and keep the faith by visualizing that all will work out in the best possible manner...in fact, so good that we can't even imagine it! We have to believe that anything is possible, especially in the unimaginable."

Quote 3: "All of this sounds like a lot of fear mongering...when people start making wild predictions nothing ever happens. I really don't believe much I hear in the press about Obama anyway, most of it is propaganda aimed at vilifying him."

Quote 4 and the Clincher for me: "Lets be clear, I'm not a Democrat...I am a Progressive, there's a HUGE difference!!"

I don't even think you understand what Progressive Politics actually means? Perhaps you should ask Hillary Clinton, maybe she can explain it for you!

Like I said before ascendingstarseed, I don't care where the TRUTH comes from as long as it is the TRUTH!!!

Enough Said..!

[Teakai]

[I totally understand your disdain for Beck, but I have researched SOROS for years and Glenn Beck was SPOT ON!


And that's probably what the plan is - to dole out little shockers and set some of their bunnies up to take the rap.
And then people will think good ol' Jay got them the news.

[frank samuel]

How many years has the media been censoring information , so why now JR decides to come out and speak as tho the government has nothing to do with the censorship. Please don't make me laugh for censorship in the x-treme sense and keeping taps on every form of communication is the government's doing.

Here in PR when the news media decided to report events dealing with UFO's and other paranormal events that was happening on a daily basis on the island the FDC threaten to take away the television station's license to broadcast. This happen over 10 years ago before the patriot act came into effect.

Forums such as PA have become a place where people surf for news and information of all sorts, unfortunately if it was up to the government they will be more than happy to shut us down and declare web sites such as ours threats to national security.

[astrid]

It seems to me they are becoming aware that they are losing the masses, for the WWW, and the possibility that ppl might just wake up...
I like to find hope and positivity in everything if i can, but when it comes to the media , and the owner of said mind control machines, you have to ask yourself what is their agenda....

[shadowstalker]

How many years has the media been censoring information , so why now JR decides to come out and speak as tho the government has nothing to do with the censorship. Please don't make me laugh for censorship in the x-treme sense and keeping taps on every form of communication is the government's doing.

Here in PR when the news media decided to report events dealing with UFO's and other paranormal events that was happening on a daily basis on the island the FDC threaten to take away the television station's license to broadcast. This happen over 10 years ago before the patriot act came into effect.

Forums such as PA have become a place where people surf for news and information of all sorts, unfortunately if it was up to the government they will be more than happy to shut us down and declare web sites such as ours threats to national security.

there working on it, INTERNET 2

[ascendingstarseed]

WOW!

Jay Rockefeller has SUCKED you in ascendingstarseed..!

ascendingstarseed Quote:

Instead of Did you know that the classic disinfo strategy is to take what someone says in quotes
"And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do."

Let me be perfectly clear ascendingstarseed, I am a Fan of the TRUTH and guess what ascendingstarseed, Glenn Beck was telling the TRUTH!

I totally understand your disdain for Beck, but I have researched SOROS for years and Glenn Beck was SPOT ON!

I too will never forget that Glenn Beck said that there were no Fema Camps or the way he treated Debra Medina in a radio interview when she was running for Texas Governor!

But, I repeat he was telling the TRUTH about George Soros!

I have admitted my past mistakes on some of my previous posts i.e. Clif High Predictions, after I read Bill Ryan's expose.

What boggles me is NOT your attack on me, BUT your gullibilty of Jay Rockefeller!

I looked into some of your previous posts and here is a couple of them I find quite odd.

ascendingstarseed Quotes:

Ouote 1: "Sounds like you love bat crap crazy Rand Paul, the man is extremely dangerous in his ideas and if he has his way he will shut down government completely - ultimately killing millions of people and causing unimagined hardship on the rest...except for the elite which is who he works for. Your idea for Social Security means you are either completely out of touch with reality or insane."

What the???

Quote 2: "We have to have faith that the situation will evolve through Divine Intervention for the benefit of humanity. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I'd personally like to believe that our best hope is that Obama will be or has been visited by entities from Higher civilizations and asked to join forces with the white hats. We MUST believe that we have assistance from inter-dimensional forces working on our behalf and keep the faith by visualizing that all will work out in the best possible manner...in fact, so good that we can't even imagine it! We have to believe that anything is possible, especially in the unimaginable."

Quote 3: "All of this sounds like a lot of fear mongering...when people start making wild predictions nothing ever happens. I really don't believe much I hear in the press about Obama anyway, most of it is propaganda aimed at vilifying him."

Quote 4 and the Clincher for me: "Lets be clear, I'm not a Democrat...I am a Progressive, there's a HUGE difference!!"

I don't even think you understand what Progressive Politics actually means? Perhaps you should ask Hillary Clinton, maybe she can explain it for you!

Like I said before ascendingstarseed, I don't care where the TRUTH comes from as long as it is the TRUTH!!!

Enough Said..!

Hmm you sure proved my point on the agent provacateur part, you're approach of taking my words out of context to make a point is a typical disinfo strategy used to discredit ones viewpoint. I don't care about your opinion or research on Soros...I didn't say one word in my post about Soros. I don't even follow Soros's work and really know little about him.

And the fact that Beck may have got one thing right, even two or three things doesn't mean that he doesn't lie about everything else, or build lies around the truth.

Everyone in the business knows he's a sociopath, a textbook case. . Sociopaths are supreme liars, they make the best con artists because they know how to build lies around a small piece of the truth. Stop making excuses for the fact that you have been brainwashed by the right, I'm not saying you don't believe in TRUTH. But the fact that you've been getting your information from sources that lack credibility means you're confused and don't know what the TRUTH is. I've seen it in many of your posts...

The last one (now I don't have time to nit pick by copy and pasting your words to put them out of context here) but the last one I'm aware of was when "Obama took 3000 people to India". LOL!!! You know, the first number I heard quoted in media was 2000 people, then the next day it jumped up to 3000 people. Aren't you aware that the press has gone on a hate feeding frenzy with Obama and virtually nothing we read is the truth?

Look, I'm not an Obama fan...but it's really hard to tell what's going on with him when there's so much LYING going on in the press. And until you have a better understanding of who operates the press and how it operates you will continue to believe in falsehoods that lead to BRAINWASHING. You believe too much of what your reading. It's obvious that you've been drinking the right-wing-nut koolaid for so long that you don't know the truth anymore and are a very biased individual based on what the right wing media has told you. The right wing presS makes stuff up! Period. Most of your posts have been fear mongering from the right that are filled with lies, right wing rhetoric and propaganda.

And that's the problem that media PROFESSIONALS have with the press and what the average person like yourself doesn't see or understand because you don't have an education in broadcast journalism, you have not been taught what the standards of practice are so you are clueless at the point I'm trying to make or that Rockefeller is making.

And just because I agree with him on this doesn't mean that I'm a fan of the Rockefellers. Wake up! This is a serious problem and you are a good example of why it's a problem, because people like you have been completely bamboozled with lies and don't know up from down any more because the lies are so pervasive.

[onawah]

Lately my pet peeve has been the lack of news in the news, and how stations like Fox parade around as news stations when they are nothing more than a massive propaganda machine acting as thought it's news, but it's actually entertainment disguised as news. Once the news divisions had to begin to make a profit, investigative reporting and real news journalism began to slowly fade in to the distant past. IN 1976 the movie "Network" exemplified what's going on now.

And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do.

Now what's really weird folks, is it sounds to me if as he were actually speaking in the best interests of the people - not the ruling elite, or to be precise...the corporations that appear to be at the heart of our problems. I was shocked when I heard him speak, it seems we may be reaching a tipping point and maybe not everyone in the government or the Rockefeller family is courting the dark side.

I actually got reemed by a few people here on PA for voting and encouraging people to FIGHT for change within the existing system. As opposed to sitting at home all pissed off withholding my vote until some day in the future when the world operates on a level I think it should...to me this speaks volumes for change we can believe in.

I heard Jay's speech on Randi Rhodes show, here's her website, scroll down for more information on Jay's speech. Anyone who hasn't listened to her really needs to tune in, she's literally one of the only people on the radio speaking the truth for the average person...and speaking it with the facts.

http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html

In case the story is taken down my the time you see it...this is a powerful speech


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo5eovdMRI&feature=player_embedded

Rockefeller may be powerful, but I don't think his power comes from righteousness. He makes it sound like it's the fault of the media and the public that the real news is not being published and broadcast, but says nothing about those in power who censor the real news. He threatens the media with stronger controls, but this could just be a smokescreen for TOTAL control of the news, such as the news on the Internet, which is a lot closer to the truth than any mainstream media.

Isn't this just a clever diversion to take our attention away from the real causes of our trashed media and our dumbed down public? After all, it was TPTB that first took control of education in this country and which now decides what textbooks will be used in our public schools, and clearly TPTB that decides what news gets through to the public through mainstream media.

[ascendingstarseed]

Who owns the media, maybe this will clear things up for those of you who think the media is controlled by the government. It's quite the opposite, corporations are in control of our government, a fact that can't be disputed. America's been barrelling down the road 8/80 towards fascism since Senior Bush took hold of the country while he was Reagan's handler in the 1980's, at tat time neo conservatives and right wing, religious fundamentalists that controlled these large corporations began buying out media outlets nationwide, now virtually the entire media under the control of 6 media giants that control almost every mass media outlet in the country, as well as around the world. The CEO's donate very large amounts of money to political campaigns, buying them leverage with politicians.

I earned my degree in Broadcasting in 1984, when I graduated there were 1000 independently owned radio stations. Now there are none, every single radio and TV station across the country had been gobbled up by corporations like Clear Channel Communications. But don't believe me...here's a few links so you guys can do your homework on this extremely important issue...

MediaOwners.com Media Owners - See who owns the American media, who controls print and electronic media in the United States. Media Owners is your guide to the leading U.S. media companies... what they own, and who owns them. Media Owners provides essential information about the largest American media companies -- background, contacts, subsidiaries and media properties, including newspapers, magazines, TV stations, news radio stations and radio and TV networks...
http://www.mediaowners.com/

Ownership Chart: The Big Six
Tell the FCC: Stop Big Media

The U.S. media landscape is dominated by massive corporations that, through a history of mergers and acquisitions, have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these giant companies are vertically integrated, controlling everything from initial production to final distribution. Here is information about the largest U.S. media firms.
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main

Take Back the Media - here are more links on the subject
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

Learn more about the Comcast merger that will further concentrate media ownership
http://www.stopbigmedia.com/
This tells you how the media companies rank in their prospective industry's
http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2010/media-ownership/dashboard.php

Alternate media on the internet is the only viable alternative, but you still have to be VERY careful who's doing the reporting, do they have political or profit motives, are they editorializing the news by injecting their opinion or are they simply stating the facts so you can draw your own conclusions, can they substantiate the facts or are they operating on heresay or rumor?

Globalresearch.ca is one of the best sources I've found on the internet for high quality investigative reporting, they don't pander to advertisers and have a highly credible network of independent journalists from around the world that submit stories. Dahr Jamail is another highly credible source for information, Matt Tiabe from the Rolling Stone has done excellent investigative reporting on the financial crisis and as someone else mentioned you can find good info on a few forums...again watch your sources and don't believe everything you hear.

[Teakai]

Who owns the media, maybe this will clear things up for those of you who think the media is controlled by the government. It's quite the opposite, corporations are in control of our government, a fact that can't be disputed. America's been barrelling down the road 8/80 towards fascism since Senior Bush took hold of the country while he was Reagan's handler in the 1980's, at tat time neo conservatives and right wing, religious fundamentalists that controlled these large corporations began buying out media outlets nationwide, now virtually the entire media under the control of 6 media giants that control almost every mass media outlet in the country, as well as around the world. The CEO's donate very large amounts of money to political campaigns, buying them leverage with politicians.

I earned my degree in Broadcasting in 1984, when I graduated there were 1000 independently owned radio stations. Now there are none, every single radio and TV station across the country had been gobbled up by corporations like Clear Channel Communications. But don't believe me...here's a few links so you guys can do your homework on this extremely important issue...

MediaOwners.com Media Owners - See who owns the American media, who controls print and electronic media in the United States. Media Owners is your guide to the leading U.S. media companies... what they own, and who owns them. Media Owners provides essential information about the largest American media companies -- background, contacts, subsidiaries and media properties, including newspapers, magazines, TV stations, news radio stations and radio and TV networks...
http://www.mediaowners.com/

Ownership Chart: The Big Six
Tell the FCC: Stop Big Media

The U.S. media landscape is dominated by massive corporations that, through a history of mergers and acquisitions, have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these giant companies are vertically integrated, controlling everything from initial production to final distribution. Here is information about the largest U.S. media firms.
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main

Take Back the Media - here are more links on the subject
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

Learn more about the Comcast merger that will further concentrate media ownership
http://www.stopbigmedia.com/
This tells you how the media companies rank in their prospective industry's
http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2010/media-ownership/dashboard.php

Alternate media on the internet is the only viable alternative, but you still have to be VERY careful who's doing the reporting, do they have political or profit motives, are they editorializing the news by injecting their opinion or are they simply stating the facts so you can draw your own conclusions, can they substantiate the facts or are they operating on heresay or rumor?

Globalresearch.ca is one of the best sources I've found on the internet for high quality investigative reporting, they don't pander to advertisers and have a highly credible network of independent journalists from around the world that submit stories. Dahr Jamail is another highly credible source for information, Matt Tiabe from the Rolling Stone has done excellent investigative reporting on the financial crisis and as someone else mentioned you can find good info on a few forums...again watch your sources and don't believe everything you hear.

Who controls the corporations that own the media?

[ascendingstarseed]

Ascending starseed, the thing is - we're not getting the news - unless we access independent, or possibly overseas sources. The way I see it is that any journalistic regulations is just going to limit what 'real' news we do have available to us.

There are a group of extremely wealthy people who have an aim to control the world and have been manipulating events and governments and people in order to do so - two of those names are the Rothschilds and the Rockerfellers.

They are not going to fix any of our problems - they ARE the problem.

So, Jay Rockefeller does not want us to have the real news - he is lying through his teeth and pretending to be speaking for the people. The corporate media are losing viewers - for good reason - people aren't getting the news, and they're waking up to the fact and going to where they can find it.
That means the corporations are losing money - and that's what 'they' care about, it's not in the least about the interests of the people.

And if you think 'regulation' is one of the cures, and your background is in broadcasting, then likely there are quite a few others who agree with you - and, no offence intended, but I find that worrying.

Frankly, I'm sick to the eyeballs of corporate regulations and how stifling, not to mention, unreasonably stupid, they are.
I can just see all these independent sites closed down due to some kind of newly introduced 'corporate regulations' that have been placed upon them - and there goes what remains of our 'real' news access.

Let them close Fox and MSBCN or whatever they are - it's a load of rot anyway. The way I see it, they'd be doing the world a favour.

Sorry if that sounds like a bit of a rant, but I have to go and see to something, but I wanted to reply first.

I believe in a positive approach to solving our problems, the difference between you and I is that I used to work in the media in a time when it had integrity. It was completely separate from the government and wasn't controlled by transnational, or even national corporations. Media outlets were independently owned in most markets, there was a lot of competition and a variety of voices delivering the news in an objective, non-biased manner. The public was told what it needed to hear, not what it wanted to hear. News reporters helped to keep government in check through quality investigative journalism. Station owners didn't donate to political campaigns to buy their local politicians and advertisers didn't control content.

I've seen the system work as an insider. I'm very well aware of who the Rothschilds and Rockefeller's are, just because I happen to agree him on the problem doesn't mean I have any idea as to what he plans to do to correct it. Unlike you, I chose to keep an open mind until action is taken or regulations are put in place because I have no idea what he will do.

All I'm saying is there's a serious problem with mass media, most people aren't like us - they don't know any better. For whatever reason they aren't turning to the alternative media, so for those people I would like to see the situation amended so that the general public can be well informed if they so chose to turn to the mass media for information on current events.

And if you find regulation worrying, then you obviously don't understand human nature very well. Without regulations company's and their people lie, they fabricate information and sources, they accept payola...do you know what payola is, it's a major problem? Regulations are necessary to keep people and the company's honest.

[Teakai]

I believe in a positive approach to solving our problems, the difference between you and I is that I used to work in the media in a time when it had integrity. It was completely separate from the government and wasn't controlled by transnational, or even national corporations. Media outlets were independently owned in most markets, there was a lot of competition and a variety of voices delivering the news in an objective, non-biased manner. The public was told what it needed to hear, not what it wanted to hear. News reporters helped to keep government in check through quality investigative journalism. Station owners didn't donate to political campaigns to buy their local politicians and advertisers didn't control content.

I've seen the system work as an insider. I'm very well aware of who the Rothschilds and Rockefeller's are, just because I happen to agree him on the problem doesn't mean I have any idea as to what he plans to do to correct it. Unlike you, I chose to keep an open mind until action is taken or regulations are put in place because I have no idea what he will do.

All I'm saying is there's a serious problem with mass media, most people aren't like us - they don't know any better. For whatever reason they aren't turning to the alternative media, so for those people I would like to see the situation amended so that the general public can be well informed if they so chose to turn to the mass media for information on current events.

And if you find regulation worrying, then you obviously don't understand human nature very well. Without regulations company's and their people lie, they fabricate information and sources, they accept payola...do you know what payola is, it's a major problem? Regulations are necessary to keep people and the company's honest.

I don't know what your point is, Ascending starseed. In your first post you wrote:

"And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do.

Now what's really weird folks, is it sounds to me if as he were actually speaking in the best interests of the people - not the ruling elite, or to be precise...the corporations that appear to be at the heart of our problems. I was shocked when I heard him speak, it seems we may be reaching a tipping point and maybe not everyone in the government or the Rockefeller family is courting the dark side."

I don't know what your history with the media has to do with thinking the Rockefellers might just be the good guys and really want the people to have the 'real news' because your first post says that you think Jay Rockefeller might be telling you the truth and really does want us to know what was going on in the world.


I prefer to solve problems by being realistic.
And the regulations, the one's that have been introduced since 911 in the US - are thanks to Rockefeller and his buddies - I positively think.

But, if you keep thinking positive that Jay'll fix it, then maybe he will. Maybe he'll see the good light and decide to tell the world that 911 was a set-up and that the TSA machines are irradiating the crap out of people and that Bill Gates is working on ways to kill people off with vacinnes and that the globalists have been manipulating people for years with the end aim of one world government.
Happy thoughts - keep thinking them.

[norman]

J RocknFella was only doing the same as Zbigniew Brzezinski did a couple of months ago. They're talking to their own bunch really. Jay was sticking the boot into the media barons because they are all losing the propaganda war right now. He was really telling them to get their audiences back or ELSE! It's no different than having strict discipline in the armed forces. How ever much the major barks at the troops, it's only his way of getting them into shape to slaughter the enemy. Once they get back on track with their audiences the machine is ready to do the business of twistery again, something it can't do when the audiences have switching the pap channels off and getting woken up via the internet.

Zbigniew Brzezinski told a group of 'elite' that the whole world is awake and watching what they are doing like never before.

see here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxE8L38h6U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZxE8L38h6U

[Banshee]

My take is that Rockefeller is just "repackaging" the same old control that the PTB have shoved down our throats under the guise of concern for the "consumer". Interesting that he mentioned that slimmed down content would allow Congress to do its job ( I am assuming he means without scrutiny). This is a clear indication that the power elite are really losing their grip on the masses. The public doesn't need Congress to legislate programming and choices. We have the power to cut the cable or use the off button. The fact that Rockefeller is inserting a threat that "we'll do it for you", suggests that they are on the precipice of losing control. Furthermore, Rockefeller doesn't hunger for quality news- he's part of the system that creates it. I am curious about his comment "the bug inside me". That was both telling and funny.

[ascendingstarseed]

I don't know what your point is, Ascending starseed. In your first post you wrote:

"And here on PA we accuse the government of being in control of the media, especially those in the Rockefeller family to be the bad guys. Which is why I was absolutely shocked to hear the Senator from West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller rip a new one on the news media, Fox and MSNBC in particular. He expressed my hunger for REAL newscasts and actually threatened the media to get it's act together and start serving the community as it was designed to do.

Now what's really weird folks, is it sounds to me if as he were actually speaking in the best interests of the people - not the ruling elite, or to be precise...the corporations that appear to be at the heart of our problems. I was shocked when I heard him speak, it seems we may be reaching a tipping point and maybe not everyone in the government or the Rockefeller family is courting the dark side."

I don't know what your history with the media has to do with thinking the Rockefellers might just be the good guys and really want the people to have the 'real news' because your first post says that you think Jay Rockefeller might be telling you the truth and really does want us to know what was going on in the world.


I prefer to solve problems by being realistic.
And the regulations, the one's that have been introduced since 911 in the US - are thanks to Rockefeller and his buddies - I positively think.

But, if you keep thinking positive that Jay'll fix it, then maybe he will. Maybe he'll see the good light and decide to tell the world that 911 was a set-up and that the TSA machines are irradiating the crap out of people and that Bill Gates is working on ways to kill people off with vacinnes and that the globalists have been manipulating people for years with the end aim of one world government.
Happy thoughts - keep thinking them.

So where'd that chip on your shoulder come from Teakai? You really took this way off where it didn't need to go. I don't know what your problem is, where the attitude came from or why you have been so antagonistic and accusatory in your tone, we're supposed to be on the same team here. What do you think I meant when I said shocked?! I NEVER thought I would hear something like that from a Rockefeller. Never, ever. Maybe in my shock I was a bit optimistic that maybe this problem will be finally be addressed. But obviously you're too busy judging me and jumping to conclusions to comprehend my point because you didn't understand a word I said or the point I was trying to make.

Just because I agree with Rockefeller that the news has basically been canceled, doesn't mean that I will agree with the changes he implements. That has yet to be seen, so I'm not going to sit here with a negative attitude in judgment of something that hasn't even happened yet. Granted, these things often don't work in our favor, but sometimes they do and I happen to believe we have an ENORMOUS amount of assistance on the other side of the veil from the 'white hats' and that anything can happen...and will with our help. We ALL have to wake-up to the co-creative visualization process and believe in positive outcomes in order to co-create a positive future for humanity.

What do you think I'm by myself in my feelings about news media? That this is something new? Broadcast professionals worldwide who work with integrity all agree something needs to be done. In fact, American mass media and journalism is literally a joke to the rest of the world, we have no respect anymore.

So are you saying that's ok, leave it alone nothing needs changed? It doesn't matter that the news keeps dumbing down the public? Just let the media keep on lying and covering up stories like 9/11? That's ok for news reporters to editorialize a story with their own opinion?

If you want to take the low road with your attitude, go ahead Teaki your not hurting anyone but yourself. I'd rather think positive when it comes to both people as well as with the bigger picture. As a matter of fact maybe you're not aware of this, but the Illuminati seems to be in the process of imploding right now...there's a lot of in-fighting, they're concerned because their plans for the NWO haven't panned out as planned and among other things members are allegedly seeking political asylum in foreign countries and are being denied entry.

Hate for anyone, even a Rockefeller only lowers your vibration - which also includes a snarky attitude towards someone you don't know but are quick to jump to conclusions about - which is me.

[Teakai]

So where'd that chip on your shoulder come from Teakai? You really took this way off where it didn't need to go. I don't know what your problem is, where the attitude came from or why you have been so antagonistic and accusatory in your tone, we're supposed to be on the same team here. What do you think I meant when I said shocked?! I NEVER thought I would hear something like that from a Rockefeller. Never, ever. Maybe in my shock I was a bit optimistic that maybe this problem will be finally be addressed. But obviously you're too busy judging me and jumping to conclusions to comprehend my point because you didn't understand a word I said or the point I was trying to make.

Just because I agree with Rockefeller that the news has basically been canceled, doesn't mean that I will agree with the changes he implements. That has yet to be seen, so I'm not going to sit here with a negative attitude in judgment of something that hasn't even happened yet. Granted, these things often don't work in our favor, but sometimes they do and I happen to believe we have an ENORMOUS amount of assistance on the other side of the veil from the 'white hats' and that anything can happen...and will with our help. We ALL have to wake-up to the co-creative visualization process and believe in positive outcomes in order to co-create a positive future for humanity.

What do you think I'm by myself in my feelings about news media? That this is something new? Broadcast professionals worldwide who work with integrity all agree something needs to be done. In fact, American mass media and journalism is literally a joke to the rest of the world, we have no respect anymore.

So are you saying that's ok, leave it alone nothing needs changed? It doesn't matter that the news keeps dumbing down the public? Just let the media keep on lying and covering up stories like 9/11? That's ok for news reporters to editorialize a story with their own opinion?

If you want to take the low road with your attitude, go ahead Teaki your not hurting anyone but yourself. I'd rather think positive when it comes to both people as well as with the bigger picture. As a matter of fact maybe you're not aware of this, but the Illuminati seems to be in the process of imploding right now...there's a lot of in-fighting, they're concerned because their plans for the NWO haven't panned out as planned and among other things members are allegedly seeking political asylum in foreign countries and are being denied entry.

Hate for anyone, even a Rockefeller only lowers your vibration - which also includes a snarky attitude towards someone you don't know but are quick to jump to conclusions about - which is me.

Ascending starseed, I don’t hate Rockefeller. That is your assumption. I just stated a truth as I see.

No, I’m not saying that nothing needs to be changed, I’m only saying that Jay Rockefeller isn’t going to change it in our favour or for our benefit.

I’m not disputing what you know about the media. You can know all about the media that you want – that’s not what we’re discussing, is it?
Hell, I don’t even know what we’re discussing anymore – this has turned into a strange sort of word play, where you say one thing and then about face and make it about something else and then get upset about, well, I’m not sure what, really.

We can just agree to disagree that Rockefeller is a good guy, if that makes you happy. I don’t want to be having a conversation that upsets you so much.

Bowing out, now. Agreeing to disagree.

[witchy1]

they're concerned because their plans for the NWO haven't panned out as planned and among other things members are allegedly seeking political asylum in foreign countries and are being denied entry.

Ahem, mind if I butt in??? (Ive been doing that a bit lately) Ascendingstarseed would you have a link or resource for this wee tidbit????

I read somewhere that they were speeding things up (not sure where tho, I read so much stuff)

Thanks in anticipation