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Hervé
14th May 2015, 19:22
First Warm-Blooded Fish Found

by Stephanie Pappas (http://www.livescience.com/contact_author.php?a=VTNSbGNHaGhibWxsSUZCaGNIQmhjeXB6Y0dGd2NHRnpLakk9), Live Science Contributor | May 14, 2015 02:02pm ET


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Southwest Fisheries Science Center biologist Nick Wegner holds a captured opah, the first-ever warm-blooded fish... Credit: NOAA Fisheries, Southwest Fisheries Science Center

The car-tire-size opah is striking enough thanks to its rotund, silver body. But now, researchers have discovered something surprising about this deep-sea dweller: It's got warm blood.

That makes the opah (Lampris guttatus) the first warm-blooded fish every discovered. Most fish are exotherms, meaning they require heat from the environment to stay toasty. The opah, as an endotherm, keeps its own temperature elevated even as it dives to chilly depths of 1,300 feet (396 meters) in temperate and tropical oceans around the world.

"Increased temperature speeds up physiological processes within the body," study leader Nicholas Wegner, a biologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Fisheries' Southwest Fisheries Science Center in La Jolla, California, told Live Science. "As a result, the muscles can contract faster, the temporal resolution of the eye is increased, and neurological transmissions are sped up. This results in faster swimming speeds, better vision (http://www.livescience.com/40459-what-do-cats-see.html) and faster response times."

The result, Wegner said, is a fast-swimming fish with an advantage for hunting slow, cold-blooded prey. [See Photos of the Gigantic Warm-Blooded Opah (Moonfish) (http://www.livescience.com/50836-warm-blooded-moonfish-photos.html)]

Undersea moon
The opah, also known as the moonfish, has relatively small red fins decorating its large, round body, which can grow up to 6 feet (1.8 meters) long. These fins, which flap rapidly as the fish swims, turn out to be important in generating body heat for the opah.

"The opah appears to produce the majority of its heat by constantly flapping its pectoral fins which are used in continuous swimming," Wegner said.

Researchers first suspected that something might be strange about the opah after analyzing a sample of the fish's gill tissue. According to the new study, published today (May 14) in the journal Science, the blood vessels (http://www.livescience.com/39925-circulatory-system-facts-surprising.html) in the tissue are set up so that the vessels carrying cool, oxygenated blood from the gills to the body are in contact with the vessels carrying warm, deoxygenated blood from the body to the gills. As a result, the outgoing blood warms up the incoming blood, a process called counter-current heat exchange.

"There has never been anything like this seen in a fish's gills before," Wegner said in a statement. "This is a cool innovation by these animals that gives them a competitive edge. The concept of counter-current heat exchange was invented in fish long before [humans] thought of it."

To confirm that these special gills helped the opah stay toasty, the researchers tagged a number of moonfish with temperature monitors and tracked the fish as they dove. The fish spend most of their time at least 150 feet (45 m) below the ocean surface. No matter how deep they dive, however, their body temperature stays about 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Celsius) warmer than the surrounding water. Fat deposits around the gills and muscles help insulate the fish, the researchers found.

Built for speed
Warm blood gives deep-sea fish (http://www.livescience.com/43832-deep-sea-fish-vision.html) a boost, according to Wegner. The opah's muscles and nervous system (http://www.livescience.com/22665-nervous-system.html) likely function faster than an equivalent fish with cold blood. Other deep-diving fish, such as tuna and some sharks (http://www.livescience.com/27338-great-white-sharks.html) can shunt blood to certain body parts to keep them warm during deep dives. But these fish have to swim up out of the depths frequently to prevent their organs from shutting down.

In contrast, the opah can stay deep for long periods of time.

"Nature has a way of surprising us with clever strategies where you least expect them," Wegner said in a statement. "It's hard to stay warm when you're surrounded by cold water, but the opah has figured it out."

Next, Wegner told Live Science, he and his colleagues want to study Lampris immaculatus, the opah's southern cousin. This fish, the southern opah, lives in colder waters than the northern opah, so it would be harder to keep warm, Wegner said — but even more beneficial.

Daughter of Time
14th May 2015, 20:35
Well, leave it to Herve to find the strangest things on the planet! Thank you!

I look forward to more strangeness from you.

With love,

Daughter of Time

Deega
14th May 2015, 20:42
Thanks Hervé, never seen such a large Opah, was not aware Opah could be that big, and furthermore warm blood, magical world.

jake gittes
15th May 2015, 00:21
was not aware Opah could be that big

I was. Oh wait, I'm thinking of Oprah.

:bigsmile:

Tesseract
15th May 2015, 01:54
The roundness also minimises surface area to volume ratio, reducing heat loss to the ocean.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
15th May 2015, 18:49
The roundness also minimises surface area to volume ratio, reducing heat loss to the ocean.

Tesseract's post made me google this, "Round head heat loss",
check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen%27s_rule


Allen's rule is a biological rule posited by Joel Asaph Allen in 1877.[1][2] The rule says that the body shapes and proportions of endotherms vary by climatic temperature by either minimizing exposed surface area to minimize heat loss in cold climates or maximizing exposed surface area to maximize heat loss in hot climates. The rule predicts that endotherms from hot climates usually have ears, tails, limbs, snouts, etc. that are long and thin while equivalent animals from cold climates usually have shorter and thicker versions of those body parts.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Volume_surface.svg/512px-Volume_surface.svg.png




You're one smart entity Tesseract!

Johnnycomelately
4th May 2025, 03:33
:bump: :bump: :bump:

An amazing thread idea, which fell through the cracks. Let’s honour Hervé, RIP, by making use of it.

This discovery is about broadly effective anti venoms for treating snake bites. Currently, anti venoms must be made specifically for each different type of venom, of which there are many. There are even different classes of venom, such as neurotoxins, ones that kill flesh that is contacted, and near a dozen others.

Researchers who hypothesized a way of making a general antidote, just on theory, found a man who laid groundwork for twenty years. Their key is in his blood. Article title speaks of his consensual 200 bites, but he also injected himself many more hundreds of times with other carefully chosen doses of different venoms.

Tim Friede, a “US man. This guy is a hero. He did this for the same exact purpose that the researchers have, starting way before they did. In his words, “for people 8,000 miles away”.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5d0l7el36o

Text of the article is copy pasted here in full.

'Unparalleled' snake antivenom made from man bitten 200 times

19 hours ago (edit: 5.04.25)

James Gallagher


The blood of a US man who deliberately injected himself with snake venom for nearly two decades has led to an "unparalleled" antivenom, say scientists.
Antibodies found in Tim Friede's blood have been shown to protect against fatal doses from a wide range of species in animal tests.
Current therapies have to match the specific species of venomous snake anyone has been bitten by.
But Mr Friede's 18-year mission could be a significant step in finding a universal antivenom against all snakebites - which kill up to 140,000 people a year and leave three times as many needing amputations or facing permanent disability.

In total, Mr Friede has endured more than 200 bites and more than 700 injections of venom he prepared from some of the world's deadliest snakes, including multiple species of mambas, cobras, taipans and kraits.
He initially wanted to build up his immunity to protect himself when handling snakes, documenting his exploits on YouTube.
But the former truck mechanic said that he had "completely screwed up" early on when two cobra bites in quick succession left him in a coma.
"I didn't want to die. I didn't want to lose a finger. I didn't want to miss work," he told the BBC.
Mr Friede's motivation was to develop better therapies for the rest of the world, explaining: "It just became a lifestyle and I just kept pushing and pushing and pushing as hard as I could push - for the people who are 8,000 miles away from me who die from snakebite".

'I'd love to get my hands on some of your blood'

Antivenom is currently made by injecting small doses of snake venom into animals, such as horses. Their immune system fights the venom by producing antibodies and these are harvested to be used as a therapy.
But venom and antivenom have to be closely matched because the toxins in a venomous bite vary from one species to another.
There is even wide variety within the same species – antivenom made from snakes in India is less effective against the same species in Sri Lanka.
A team of researchers began searching for a type of immune defence called broadly neutralising antibodies. Instead of targeting the part of a toxin that makes it unique, they target the parts that are common to entire classes of toxin.
That's when Dr Jacob Glanville, chief executive of biotech company Centivax, came across Tim Friede.
"Immediately I was like 'if anybody in the world has developed these broadly neutralising antibodies, it's going to be him' and so I reached out," he said.
"The first call, I was like 'this might be awkward, but I'd love to get my hands on some of your blood'."
Mr Friede agreed and the work was given ethical approval because the study would only take blood, rather than giving him more venom.

The research focused on elapids – one of the two families of venomous snakes – such as coral snakes, mambas, cobras, taipans and kraits.
Elapids primarily use neurotoxins in their venom, which paralyses their victim and is fatal when it stops the muscles needed to breathe.
Researchers picked 19 elapids identified by the World Health Organization as being among the deadliest snakes on the planet. They then began scouring Mr Friede's blood for protective defences.
Their work, detailed in the journal Cell, identified two broadly neutralising antibodies that could target two classes of neurotoxin. They added in a drug that targets a third to make their antivenom cocktail.
In experiments on mice, the cocktail meant the animals survived fatal doses from 13 of the 19 species of venomous snake. They had partial protection against the remaining six.
This is "unparalleled" breadth of protection, according to Dr Glanville, who said it "likely covers a whole bunch of elapids for which there is no current antivenom".

The team is trying to refine the antibodies further and see if adding a fourth component could lead to total protection against elapid snake venom.
The other class of snake – the vipers – rely more on haemotoxins, which attack the blood, rather than neurotoxins. In total there are around a dozen broad classes of toxin in snake venom, which also includes cytotoxins that directly kill cells.
"I think in the next 10 or 15 years we'll have something effective against each one of those toxin classes," said Prof Peter Kwong, one of the researchers at Columbia University.
And the hunt continues inside Mr Friede's blood samples.
"Tim's antibodies are really quite extraordinary - he taught his immune system to get this very, very broad recognition," said Prof Kwong.
The ultimate hope is to have either a single antivenom that can do everything, or one injection for elapids and one for vipers.
Prof Nick Casewell, who is the head of the centre for snakebite research and interventions at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, said the breadth of protection reported was "certainly novel" and provided "a strong piece of evidence" that this was a feasible approach.
"There is no doubt that this work moves the field forwards in an exciting direction."
But he cautioned there was "much work to do" and that the antivenom still needed extensive testing before it could be used in people.
But for Mr Friede, reaching this stage "makes me feel good".
"I'm doing something good for humanity and that was very important to me. I'm proud of it. It's pretty cool."

onawah
24th June 2025, 00:50
Inside the secret underground cave filled with giant crystals
60 Minutes Australia
6.25M subscribers
Jun 16, 2025

"It's a secret spot you have to see to believe - and 60 Minutes was allowed a rare look inside the incredible giant crystal cave at the centre of the earth.

The Crystal Cave (2012)
► Subscribe: http://9Soci.al/chmP50wA97J
► WATCH Full Episodes on 9NOW: https://9now.app.link/uNP4qBkmN6 "

r743JtaHE6w


(The most recent, perilous, and necessarily brief journey into the fabulous crystal cave in Mexico is recorded in the new video.
The news is that the owners of the mine which ends where the crystal cave was discovered are considering allowing tourists to visit, though considering how dangerous it is just to be in there, such trips will have to be very carefully monitored.
It's so hot and so humid just breathing the air becomes life-threatening after only 10 minutes or so.

I live in Arkansas which has one of the worlds' largest known deposits of quartz crystal.
Once I was allowed into a crystal warehouse at one of the largest crystal mines in the state, where the largest crystals are stored.
(Like this:https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.MKsbZRzYt9FBHI5FzS9rIAHaHL%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=c658bd22b4d34622c508c49bd12950370af1e5d0a2685ee4f262e34626d8f5cb&ipo=images
The combined frequency of all that crystal makes a person very "high"--a high unlike any other I've experienced, which can also be very healing.
I think science has only scratched the surface of how crystal can be used for healing and many other purposes.
Some scifi authors have intuited this and we frequently see crystal used in scifi (such as "Stargate Atlantis" for technology performing very unique tasks like time and space travel.)

Johnnycomelately
24th June 2025, 11:43
Inside the secret underground cave filled with giant crystals
60 Minutes Australia
6.25M subscribers
Jun 16, 2025

"It's a secret spot you have to see to believe - and 60 Minutes was allowed a rare look inside the incredible giant crystal cave at the centre of the earth.

The Crystal Cave (2012)
► Subscribe: http://9Soci.al/chmP50wA97J
► WATCH Full Episodes on 9NOW: https://9now.app.link/uNP4qBkmN6 "

r743JtaHE6w


(The most recent, perilous, and necessarily brief journey into the fabulous crystal cave in Mexico is recorded in the new video.
The news is that the owners of the mine which ends where the crystal cave was discovered are considering allowing tourists to visit, though considering how dangerous it is just to be in there, such trips will have to be very carefully monitored.
It's so hot and so humid just breathing the air becomes life-threatening after only 10 minutes or so.

I live in Arkansas which has one of the worlds' largest known deposits of quartz crystal.
Once I was allowed into a crystal warehouse at one of the largest crystal mines in the state, where the largest crystals are stored.
(Like this:https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.MKsbZRzYt9FBHI5FzS9rIAHaHL%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=c658bd22b4d34622c508c49bd12950370af1e5d0a2685ee4f262e34626d8f5cb&ipo=images
The combined frequency of all that crystal makes a person very "high"--a high unlike any other I've experienced, which can also be very healing.
I think science has only scratched the surface of how crystal can be used for healing and many other purposes.
Some scifi authors have intuited this and we frequently see crystal used in scifi (such as "Stargate Atlantis" for technology performing very unique tasks like time and space travel.)


Good vid, props to 60 Minutes Australia.

This is truly fascinating! Only discovered in 2000, iirc. 7 metre long single crystals of quartz, which he says took 100 million years to grow, wow.

The cave is 800m below the present ground level. I wonder how that measure has varied over that estimated time.

Erosion, might have been some real wet spells going on. Remember the Spinx’ errosions, per Dr. Robert Schock (sp.), climate does change.

Deposition, maybe the volcano added more up top. That hot spot must have made eruptions over 100m years.

“…have discovered at least two dozen news species of life forms, in the cavern.” - even more wonder.


Quartz has interested me. Read Marcel Vogel back in the day. Carried smaller polished clear quartz crystal in my pant’s watch pocket. Bought bigger chunks of multi-crystal for shelves.

Now, am tempted to be curious about that again.

onawah
24th June 2025, 16:04
I would not be surprised if there are similar caves deep underground in Arkansas, as yet undiscovered.
If you haven't read any of the information I posted from the late geologist, world traveler and sacred tour guide James Tyberonn, who was born in Arkansas crystal country, you might find that to be of interest though it is venturing into very esoteric subject matter as well as scientific.
A good place to start for both members and non-members is here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117284-Crystalline-energy-and-the-new-earth&p=1584342&viewfull=1#post1584342




Now, am tempted to be curious about that again.