There are two beings inside us. A short quote from the Amazing Sogyal Rinpoche

[Michael Moewes]

Two people have been living in you all your life. One is the ego, garrulous, demanding, hysterical, calculating; the other is the hidden spiritual being, whose still voice of wisdom you have only rarely heard or attended to. As you listen more and more to the teachings, contemplate them, and integrate them into your life, your inner voice, your innate wisdom of discernment, what we call in Buddhism “discriminating awareness,” is awakened and strengthened, and you begin to distinguish between its guidance and the various clamorous and enthralling voices of ego. The memory of your real nature, with all its splendor and confidence, begins to return to you.

You will find, in fact, that you have uncovered in yourself your own wise guide, and as the voice of your wise guide, or discriminating awareness, grows stronger and clearer, you will start to distinguish between its truth and the various deceptions of the ego, and you will be able to listen to it with discernment and confidence

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[abmqa]

For some reason this post really resonated with me....what are your thoughts on Karma?

thks

[VoiceWithin]

I find this to be true, only I noticed that many people refer to Ego as something bad, something that needs to be killed, and I can't quite agree with that. My perception of Ego is that it is a tool given to help us express ourselves creatively during this experience of life in physical form. Our names, physical bodies, places we live, clothes we wear, music we listen to - these are all parts of Ego and they are ways in which God/Creator expresses Himself through us. The problem is created that moment in which we start misinterpreting Ego as our true selves and taking it too seriously. Ego is always changing and has its end, which is physical death. Soul, our essence is everlasting, and is the one and only that should be taken seriously. Ego is here just to be played with and expressed through.

We are like painters and life is canvas. Ego is just a brush. True painter never lets himself believe that he is a brush.

[Michael Moewes]

For some reason this post really resonated with me....what are your thoughts on Karma?

thks

Karma is simple. Action and reaction. Karma is absolutely neutral. Every action you take, might it be thru action, thaught or speak will result in a reaction. When you're lucky the answer to it will be immediate and by accepting it and embracing the opportunity to purify this karma it's already gone. on the other hand if an older karma hits you it is mostly very strong and could be lifethreatening. Keep your actions pure with a good heart and accept everything what comes your way with an altruistic regard.

[Michael Moewes]

I find this to be true, only I noticed that many people refer to Ego as something bad, something that needs to be killed, and I can't quite agree with that. My perception of Ego is that it is a tool given to help us express ourselves creatively during this experience of life in physical form. Our names, physical bodies, places we live, clothes we wear, music we listen to - these are all parts of Ego and they are ways in which God/Creator expresses Himself through us. The problem is created that moment in which we start misinterpreting Ego as our true selves and taking it too seriously. Ego is always changing and has its end, which is physical death. Soul, our essence is everlasting, and is the one and only that should be taken seriously. Ego is here just to be played with and expressed through.

We are like painters and life is canvas. Ego is just a brush. True painter never lets himself believe that he is a brush.

The teaching of the Buddha tells not to cling to the Ego. and if the ego takes over, that's when trouble starts. and the creativity is not in the ego but in your higher self and sometimes the ego hinders this higher self to express itself.

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[grannyfranny100]

Hum, maybe that is why the NWO likes to keep us in fear- it keeps us from our creative juices!

[VoiceWithin]

The teaching of the Buddha tells not to cling to the Ego. and if the ego takes over, that's when trouble starts. and the creativity is not in the ego but in your higher self and sometimes the ego hinders this higher self to express itself.

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Well, this is kind of what I tried to say with my post. Of course inspiration comes from our Higher Self. I think you misunderstood me because I have trouble expressing myself in language that is not my native. When you change color of your hair, inspiration came from Higher Self, but your hair is part of your body, therefore is only temporary (Ego). I never said Ego is the one who gives you inspiration, it is just a tool, in my perception.

[Michael Moewes]

The teaching of the Buddha tells not to cling to the Ego. and if the ego takes over, that's when trouble starts. and the creativity is not in the ego but in your higher self and sometimes the ego hinders this higher self to express itself.

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Well, this is kind of what I tried to say with my post. Of course inspiration comes from our Higher Self. I think you misunderstood me because I have trouble expressing myself in language that is not my native. When you change color of your hair, inspiration came from Higher Self, but your hair is part of your body, therefore is only temporary (Ego). I never said Ego is the one who gives you inspiration, it is just a tool, in my perception.

I guess, I wouldn't understand it if you say it in croatian either. :bigsmile: But I guess what you like to say is, that the ego is part of yourself. That's true. the goal should be to take the control over your ego by your higher self, by developping this spiritual being inside of you. I believe Rinpoche is refering here to the Buddha inside your self. As every living being has the seed of the Buddha nature inside. The reason why it is still dormant is the piles of dirt and rubbish that the ego has put over it. If you decide to life a spiritual life, you have to tame the ego in order to give the Buddha nature inside of you the possibility to appear. Ego is the biggest hinderance to become enlightened.
I hope this helps you.
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[DeDukshyn]

Not only are we each two, we also have access to two realms. There is a subtle realm, and a practical realm. The practical realm is governed by the laws of physics, and is generally what your ego interacts with. The subtle realm is much finer, whereas you could call the practical realm "coarse". One could liken the subtle realm to a spiritual realm where the laws of physics do not govern.

We have access to both of "ourselves" when needed, and also have access to both of these realms; we just mostly have become so imbalanced from joining into a "cult"-ure where only the practical realm is recognized, taught, considered of value, and we are only trained as we grow into adults how to interact with this realm. So to does our culture force all emphasis of our two "selfs" onto the ego, teaching us it is the "us" that has value, and reason, and we are taught to ignore our quiet spiritual selfs. We are natively focusing mechanisms that can live in both of these states and focus between them as need, yet we have forgotten the subtle half of it all.

We must bring this back to balance, the practical realm is for taking our spiritual intent and desires, such as play, exploration, creation, communion, and express these in a myriad ways in the practical realm so that we may share them as artistic pieces. The ego should not be driving daily activities, but should serve us in bodily safety and the practicality of living in a physical world.

I see such a beautiful result, if we can only learn to bring back this balance ... this balance is what defines a proper Human.

[Lifebringer]

Ego is immature, bossy and hard-headedness.
But even those things are needed for the good/right, or (as I like to put it) stubborn little things called facts.:highfive:

[Aspen]

This topic reminds me of the spiritual beliefs of the austrailian aborigines and their teachings about the Dreamtime and how we are very much influenced by the spirit world and that it determines who we are. QRBMdS4t36c

The portion of the movie that most directly talks about the parallel world of spirit and gods that we interact with and that determines much of our reality is minute 40 to 47

"Through dreams we can enter the other parallel world in which since the creation gods spirits and men have lived together. The actions carried out in that world are what change and order the world of the living. That is why every painting { in traditional aborigine art] contains a message which can only be seen by those who have the wisdom to understand it. . . . . Through painting, the past and the present come together and men have contact with the world beyond: dots circles, crosses and spirals symbolize,

Places or paths in the dream. . . they are a kind of religious map. . . . . .they also depict fantasies related to fabulous beings but the being itself is not painted, but rather the image this being transmits to the artist across time and movement. . . . "

As an artist and therapist I often tap into the intuitive inner awareness, I wonder if this is a tapping into the inner hidden spiritual being described by Sogyal Rinpoche ?

[Guish]

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What we are is a presence we can't put in words.

[DeDukshyn]

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What we are is a presence we can't put in words.

Interestingly, the ego and the practical realm can easily be put into words, and this is what we are familiar with.

There is a curious state, that exists as part of the human condition that basically dictates "That which is ineffable is almost impossible to perceive" -- and this is true. As small children we are taught language and on the onset of learning a verbal language, thoughts begin to become linguistically structured. I recall thinking in patterns of images, colours, sounds, etc. (and I still can to some extent) where these patterns represented thoughts, ideas, concepts etc. For example when I first learned about time and the yearly calendar, I would only think about it as an image of an infinity symbol (this represented the year) and along the symbol where the different time markers; it was divided into the four seasons, had markers on it for specific events, but never had individual days. Interestingly, I imagined an infinity symbol for this long before I had ever seen one or knew what one was - I was just a small child.

When language takes over in a mind as the main thought form of expression, it tends to, over time, become locked to those forms of thought; I suppose more like a muscle, linguistic thought grows strong, and native thought atrophies to almost nothing due to emphasis on usage. This causes a restriction of of creation and/or expression to those things that only can be expressed linguistically, this becomes in essence also, the only things we perceive as valid or of value. Language is the ego's form of communicating - not the spirit's.

So in quote above (along with that amazing image), It refers to the self in us that has been suppressed, it is indeed our essence, and what has provided us our presence within these physical forms, yet due to it's ineffability, it is almost impossible to understand or to give value to for most people.

A hint on how one might begin to address this might be to look where I referred to "building muscles". Expressing creativity and adventure - those are qualities of the spirit, practice it and build that muscle. Next time you want to think through a decision, go with intuition; build that muscle. Next time you think something matters, go carefree instead; build that freedom muscle. Next time you catch yourself "thinking" (worrying about past, planning out the future, thinking how things "should have been" or "will be next time"), go with silence instead, exercise that spiritual muscle; stop thinking, find the silence inside you, hold it consistently, and observe your natural spiritual instincts begin to express themselves, life becomes easier. :)

[Michael Moewes]

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What we are is a presence we can't put in words.

I absolutely agree with this quute if you don't refere to tibetan or german, because in this two languages actually is an philosofical explanation possible. not in english or french or spanish. As it is for other languages I don't know.

[Tangri]

I find this to be true, only I noticed that many people refer to Ego as something bad, something that needs to be killed, and I can't quite agree with that. My perception of Ego is that it is a tool given to help us express ourselves creatively during this experience of life in physical form. Our names, physical bodies, places we live, clothes we wear, music we listen to - these are all parts of Ego and they are ways in which God/Creator expresses Himself through us. The problem is created that moment in which we start misinterpreting Ego as our true selves and taking it too seriously. Ego is always changing and has its end, which is physical death. Soul, our essence is everlasting, and is the one and only that should be taken seriously. Ego is here just to be played with and expressed through.

We are like painters and life is canvas. Ego is just a brush. True painter never lets himself believe that he is a brush.

The teaching of the Buddha tells not to cling to the Ego. and if the ego takes over, that's when trouble starts. and the creativity is not in the ego but in your higher self and sometimes the ego hinders this higher self to express itself.

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If you kill of of them you will be an animal. If you kill other one you will become a robot. I believe they have to work at harmony without other attachments.

[Mike Gorman]

I used to consider the Ego a negative entity, we borrow the mechanical theory of the personality from Sigmund Freud - however with this regard I can see how it is the 'integration' of these aspects of ourselves that is most desirable - our culture in the West encourages the Ego to be uppermost, extroversion is favored, rewarded considerably; when more introverted people push themselves to be outward, acting, public speaking e.t.c I see the Ego as being a powerhouse, an engine with which we navigate the outside world and feel capable of acting within it. The quiet voice of calm reason, wise collective knowledge; this should guide us and temper the excesses of our actions. This is my intuitive take on this.

[abmqa]

For some reason this post really resonated with me....what are your thoughts on Karma?

thks

Karma is simple. Action and reaction. Karma is absolutely neutral. Every action you take, might it be thru action, thaught or speak will result in a reaction. When you're lucky the answer to it will be immediate and by accepting it and embracing the opportunity to purify this karma it's already gone. on the other hand if an older karma hits you it is mostly very strong and could be lifethreatening. Keep your actions pure with a good heart and accept everything what comes your way with an altruistic regard.

In the recent past I have found the relationship between abiding with my ego and the resulting negative karma (from being selfish or rude and/or impulsive and impatient) have clearly manifested itself to me in a manner leaving me no question as to why it was occurring. Recognizing this, I have since attempted to conduct myself in a manner that should result in positive karma (being patient, kind and helpful to all I encounter) occurring and have I found my self to to be truly blessed with what others might call "luck" Your recent post caused me to look at karma in another and much deeper way...Thanks!

[Guish]

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What we are is a presence we can't put in words.


I absolutely agree with this quute if you don't refere to tibetan or german, because in this two languages actually is an philosofical explanation possible. not in english or french or spanish. As it is for other languages I don't know.

The text comes from me. I used a picture to support what I said.

[Guish]

I used to consider the Ego a negative entity, we borrow the mechanical theory of the personality from Sigmund Freud - however with this regard I can see how it is the 'integration' of these aspects of ourselves that is most desirable - our culture in the West encourages the Ego to be uppermost, extroversion is favored, rewarded considerably; when more introverted people push themselves to be outward, acting, public speaking e.t.c I see the Ego as being a powerhouse, an engine with which we navigate the outside world and feel capable of acting within it. The quiet voice of calm reason, wise collective knowledge; this should guide us and temper the excesses of our actions. This is my intuitive take on this.

Interesting. The ego will always be here but one would know it's an illusion and one would act without expecting any reward. If you find this sentence disturbing, it's the ego inside that doesn't agree. We have always been taught to make a name for ourselves, uplift our status, compete, get a better job, get more money. The little self thinks that these things will bring peace and satisfaction but materiality never brings peace. The ego just wants more and more. I'm not saying money is evil. I still need it for my family's basic needs. Why is the ego a problem? The ego separates us from our surroundings and makes one believe one is a separate entity while everything is connected to each other. Survival of the fittest isn't the way forward. We all rely on each other and we all have our higher selves which need to express themselves through the physical body. Knowing the higher self can be done if one gets free from social conditioning and aspects of the ego. Everything gets done when there is inner peace inside. If you have a storm inside, you give it to people. If you have peace inside, you give it to people.

[Michael Moewes]

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What we are is a presence we can't put in words.

Interestingly, the ego and the practical realm can easily be put into words, and this is what we are familiar with.

There is a curious state, that exists as part of the human condition that basically dictates "That which is ineffable is almost impossible to perceive" -- and this is true. As small children we are taught language and on the onset of learning a verbal language, thoughts begin to become linguistically structured. I recall thinking in patterns of images, colours, sounds, etc. (and I still can to some extent) where these patterns represented thoughts, ideas, concepts etc. For example when I first learned about time and the yearly calendar, I would only think about it as an image of an infinity symbol (this represented the year) and along the symbol where the different time markers; it was divided into the four seasons, had markers on it for specific events, but never had individual days. Interestingly, I imagined an infinity symbol for this long before I had ever seen one or knew what one was - I was just a small child.

When language takes over in a mind as the main thought form of expression, it tends to, over time, become locked to those forms of thought; I suppose more like a muscle, linguistic thought grows strong, and native thought atrophies to almost nothing due to emphasis on usage. This causes a restriction of of creation and/or expression to those things that only can be expressed linguistically, this becomes in essence also, the only things we perceive as valid or of value. Language is the ego's form of communicating - not the spirit's.

So in quote above (along with that amazing image), It refers to the self in us that has been suppressed, it is indeed our essence, and what has provided us our presence within these physical forms, yet due to it's ineffability, it is almost impossible to understand or to give value to for most people.

A hint on how one might begin to address this might be to look where I referred to "building muscles". Expressing creativity and adventure - those are qualities of the spirit, practice it and build that muscle. Next time you want to think through a decision, go with intuition; build that muscle. Next time you think something matters, go carefree instead; build that freedom muscle. Next time you catch yourself "thinking" (worrying about past, planning out the future, thinking how things "should have been" or "will be next time"), go with silence instead, exercise that spiritual muscle; stop thinking, find the silence inside you, hold it consistently, and observe your natural spiritual instincts begin to express themselves, life becomes easier. :)

Very interesting.
And I agree especially what you said about beeing young and the concept of language.
Unfortunately have we, through the process of education and finding our way through society lost the connection to our inner self.
The only way to get back there now is, in my case, through the teachings of the Buddha.
And this goes through words and written texts.
That's actually what the most Venerable Sogyal Rinpoche is saying in this quote.

For those of you who like to learn a bit more about Sogyal Rinpoche and Buddhissm I cosider to read his Book- "the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
Here is a link to the Wikipedia page about him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogyal_Rinpoche

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[Aspen]

I apologize for referring again to the spiritual teachings of the Australian aborigine. I find the juxtaposition really interesting. In following this thread about the two beings, I was also thinking about Agape's experience of the Bohdgaya Event in which she talks about re- experiencing an earlier time of when energy beings traveling through space had to make an emergency landing here and many of them lost the knowledge of who they were. I wonder how much the extensive past history of humankind informs who each of us is today? I believe that Karl Jung studied archetypes for this reason, to tap into the wisdom of the thousands of generations that went on before, or the parallel dimension we all have access to. In the one hour movie about the aboriginals that I posted earlier in this thread I was fascinated when the narrator referred to the Dreaming or Dreamtime that the aborigines incorporated as an important part of their life as a parallel dimension that is available to us at all times. "Through dreams we can enter the other parallel world in which since the creation gods spirits and men have lived together. The actions carried out in that world are what change and order the world of the living. That is why every painting [in traditional aborigine art] contains a message which can only be seen by those who have the wisdom to understand it. . . . . Through painting, the past and the present come together and men have contact with the world beyond: dots circles, crosses and spirals symbolize,

Places or paths in the dream. . . they are a kind of religious map. . . . . .they also depict fantasies related to fabulous beings but the being itself is not painted, but rather the image this being transmits to the artist across time and movement. . . ." - from the documentary "Men of the Fifth World" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRBMdS4t36c

On another thread members of PA have introduced us to Lily Earthling and the teaching that it is important to connect with and be grounded by nature. In the most recent PA newsletter Bill Ryan gave the example of interspecies communication. Many indigenous cultures encouraged communication and connection with nature, including nature spirits. The vision quest, paying attention to dreams and entering trance like states to garner information from the spirit world were all important in many indigenous cultures. The artists of the western world also talk about going slightly mad in order to produce their art or accessing other spirits while performing on stage etc. Perhaps this other realm, whether it is our own eternal spirit, spirits of ancestors of gods, or other species including plants and animals will become much more commonplace in the coming times. Maybe the veil it thinning between the present physical world on planet earth and the other parallel dimension that feeds this realm??? I for one find great solace in communing with nature and the living reality it is. I think it helps me to tame the ego and put it in it's proper context.
The following journal entries describe the concepts of inspiration in our modern world being linked to the ancient spiritual practices of indigenous cultures such as trance states in ceremony, paying attention to dreams and vision quests. https://taicarmen.wordpress.com/tag/shamanism/

[Agape]

In accordance with Bonpo and Tibetan Buddhist Dzogchen tantras ( Sogyal Rimpoche too is teaching the ''great accomplishment''=dzogpa chempo tantra ) ,

the first born Beings exist in limitless Universe in pure body called the Dharmakaya ,

the Truth Body .

In human realm , Dharmakaya Body manifests as accomplished Mind .

From the limitless realm of Dharmakaya through propagation of light and sound waves of consciousness , the realm of Sambogakaya comes to existence ,

the realm of Bliss . Sambhogakaya Body manifests as accomplished Speech of all Beings .

Last , the body of Form , the Rupakaya comes to existence in the physical world so it too then may attain perfection as pure Buddha body .


According to Vedanta and Yogacharya schools of philosophy , there are upto 7 bodies or layers of a body , each of whom is capable of its own interdependent existence within its own realm ..

quite as the grossest '3D imprint' does in the '3D imprints world' .

Your energy body operates : in energy realm .

Your astral body operates in astral realm .

Your intelligence body operates in intelligence realm .

Your consciousness operates in realms of consciousness .

Your bliss body operates in realm of eternal bliss .


The subtlest bodies are called the 'Body of Causality' , which roughly corresponds to what's described as 'Body of Truth' = the Dharmakaya in Buddhism .

It's where your motivations take place , your most essential choices not only for within this incarnation but beyond . There , all fits and fulfils its best purpose .

Lower we descend to the inert matter , there comes forgetfulness , mistakes , struggle and pain .

But there's also this beautiful parallel in Buddhism about the necessity to 'touch the Earth' , Buddha actually touches the Mother Earth calling her for a witness in gesture called 'Bhumi sparsha mudra' which means the same thing ,
touching the reality .

But he also says we are here to transcend and transform even the hardest reality and lift the piece we can and turn it to perfection .

[looking-glass]

Hi,

I agree somewhat with that assertion.

My 'working model' is that there is 'us' = our spirit.
The other is 'the computer' = our brain, with all its learned and experienced computer programs it sets up, algorithms. This is my understanding of the ego.

The 'chatter' (some call it the 'chattering monkey') is our own brains 'computer'. Setting up little routines to sift, sort, experience and compartmentalise (good word).

Sadly, most don't realise that 'this' is not 'them'. And when you get a little 'naughty' programs running in the brain, they cannot separete the thoughts from the real person and things go real bad for the 'human' then.

regards

[Guish]

In accordance with Bonpo and Tibetan Buddhist Dzogchen tantras ( Sogyal Rimpoche too is teaching the ''great accomplishment''=dzogpa chempo tantra ) ,

the first born Beings exist in limitless Universe in pure body called the Dharmakaya ,

the Truth Body .

In human realm , Dharmakaya Body manifests as accomplished Mind .

From the limitless realm of Dharmakaya through propagation of light and sound waves of consciousness , the realm of Sambogakaya comes to existence ,

the realm of Bliss . Sambhogakaya Body manifests as accomplished Speech of all Beings .

Last , the body of Form , the Rupakaya comes to existence in the physical world so it too then may attain perfection as pure Buddha body .


According to Vedanta and Yogacharya schools of philosophy , there are upto 7 bodies or layers of a body , each of whom is capable of its own interdependent existence within its own realm ..

quite as the grossest '3D imprint' does in the '3D imprints world' .

Your energy body operates : in energy realm .

Your astral body operates in astral realm .

Your intelligence body operates in intelligence realm .

Your consciousness operates in realms of consciousness .

Your bliss body operates in realm of eternal bliss .


The subtlest bodies are called the 'Body of Causality' , which roughly corresponds to what's described as 'Body of Truth' = the Dharmakaya in Buddhism .

It's where your motivations take place , your most essential choices not only for within this incarnation but beyond . There , all fits and fulfils its best purpose .

Lower we descend to the inert matter , there comes forgetfulness , mistakes , struggle and pain .

But there's also this beautiful parallel in Buddhism about the necessity to 'touch the Earth' , Buddha actually touches the Mother Earth calling her for a witness in gesture called 'Bhumi sparsha mudra' which means the same thing ,
touching the reality .

But he also says we are here to transcend and transform even the hardest reality and lift the piece we can and turn it to perfection .

The gesture of touching Mother Earth is such an important one. If there's something real in the illusion, it's nature. That's what I think. Awakening is a silent process. Mara tempts Buddha by saying that no one would know you became enlightened. He touches the Earth and says the latter is my witness. If we think about it, man wants to be recognized for everything he/she does. Actions which no one will notice are thought to be useless as there may be no rewards. In the Gita, it talks about Fruitless actions. I see these two things connected.

[zen deik]

Id/ego/super ego/.....the growing person/the person approaching death/.....

[zen deik]

What goes around comes around

[Noel]

You have to remember that the Ego is also what gives you self confidence and the belief in who you are and the desire to follow your desired path in life. I believe to destroy it would make you easily controlled and you would loos your desire to be creative.

[joeecho]

Inner voice as coming from inside, like a thought voice is a misnomer. It is silent to perception.



We are like painters and life is canvas. Ego is just a brush. True painter never lets himself believe that he is a brush.

Actually a true painter does try to 'be the brush' to tap into that potential. (but I understand what you are saying.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWH811TcckU

[Guish]

You have to remember that the Ego is also what gives you self confidence and the belief in who you are and the desire to follow your desired path in life. I believe to destroy it would make you easily controlled and you would loos your desire to be creative.

Confidence would come on its own when you are true to your self. Creativity is spontaneous. It manifests itself effortlessly. The ego makes you think that you need to strive to make yourself known. Magically things happen on its own once one listens more to the heart than the egoistic mind.

[Agape]

Aspen : It would be interesting if science could confirm there's indeed such another body , the 'Inner Being' , the 'Greater Self' ,

is he/she/it walking with you all the times ?

Or does he/she/it come and go ?

Is ( not ) the Spirit your visitor , your best friend , your deity , your teacher , your lost siblings , your nightmarish monster , the jester ,
an angel , the other you . Is he/she/it present or absent . Does he/she/it manifest itself but only at his own choice .

Can it be proved ? Proved to what , proved to exist .



:panda:

[Michael Moewes]

I'd love to thank you all for your participating and sharing your thaughts here in this Thread. It became very interesting and it made me happy that a simple quote from an amazing teatcher can have such a deep impact.
Sarwa Mangalam _/|\_
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[Agape]

सर्वमङ्गलमाङ्गल्ये शिवे सर्वार्थसाधिके ।
शरण्ये त्र्यम्बके गौरि नारायणि नमोऽस्तु ते ॥
Sarva-Manggala-Maanggalye Shive Sarvaartha-Saadhike |
Sharannye Trya[i-A]mbake Gauri Naaraayanni Namo[ah-A]stu Te ||

http://www.greenmesg.org/mantras_slokas/devi_durga-sarvamangala_mangalye.php

That's a Devi mantra for auspiciousness . May all Beings be Happy, may All Beings be free from sorrow , may Love and Peace prevail ...

:angel:

[Aspen]

Aspen : It would be interesting if science could confirm there's indeed such another body , the 'Inner Being' , the 'Greater Self' ,

is he/she/it walking with you all the times ?

Or does he/she/it come and go ?

Is ( not ) the Spirit your visitor , your best friend , your deity , your teacher , your lost siblings , your nightmarish monster , the jester ,
an angel , the other you . Is he/she/it present or absent . Does he/she/it manifest itself but only at his own choice .

Can it be proved ? Proved to what , proved to exist .



:panda:

In recent years I have been trying to develop my intuitive self. So I am not really sure who that is. Is it my spirit or soul ? I don't know. Maybe it is just female intuition, but it started with choosing my remedies by physical feel, and I do intuitive painting. In expressive therapy we encourage people express their emotions and allow images to arise because they may contain information from the soul. Apparently the right brain thinks in images and emotion is more closely connected to this part of our brain that does not think in a mathematical linear way. It seemed it was connected to what the aborigine are doing with their art. However, they also practice shamanism and connection with "other " entities, other than their own spirit. Recently I have become intriqued by Lily Earthling and her encouragement to connect at this time with our earth spirit and to connect with the earth. She warns against depending on outside saviours or astral programming that does not connect us to the earth. This resonates with me, but I am still not certain if it is higher self, if it is my spirit - whatever. tvXjyORfhkI

[Aspen]

https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=in3JyLALSjkC&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=intuition+art+therapy+expressive+inner+connection&ots=cLKMDkviI1&sig=zYXJL3k86K8BBOgbzBnVnj4PPDI#v=onepage&q&f=false scholarly article on art therapy and the ways it is used to connect with self

[looking-glass]

The gesture of touching Mother Earth is such an important one. If there's something real in the illusion, it's nature. That's what I think. Awakening is a silent process. Mara tempts Buddha by saying that no one would know you became enlightened. He touches the Earth and says the latter is my witness. If we think about it, man wants to be recognized for everything he/she does. Actions which no one will notice are thought to be useless as there may be no rewards. In the Gita, it talks about Fruitless actions. I see these two things connected.

Hi,

Fruitless actions. Like that one. When you go on a picnic in a national park they say leave nothing but your footprints.

I am perfectly happy to leave no trace of myself on this planet.

However, my 'job' in this incarnation has 'touched many lives'. And they feel neccesary to feel indebted (to thank) to me.

I hold no debt, and want no indebtidness (sp?).

However, it does create a certain 'feeling' /emotion of pride and happiness. But that is always tempered by my compassion for them.

We will do our life review on transition. I am happy for that. But don't expect a 'karma reward'. Want to 'break the wheel'.

Emotions are transient , compasssion is eternal.

regards