"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" -- and a call for a more benevolent leadership

[ThePythonicCow]

Miles Mathis, in my view one of the best original thinkers of our time, has a new paper out on THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/protocols.pdf).

Miles (as he usually does) takes a fresh look at his chosen topic. He finds evidence within this renowned document that it was written at the behest of European royalty, in the late 1800's, who were finding themselves on what would prove to be the losing end of an epic struggle with the Banksters (financially most powerful families). He reads the document as a defense of the benefits of rule by royalty, and an attack on the dangers of rule by financiers.

But then, after spending the first half of this modest (just 12 pages of quite readable prose) paper analyzing the protocols, Miles then takes a surprising (to me) and delightful twist, and proposes a way out of this mess ... the first such proposal that I've seen that I find persuasive and plausible (sorry Wade F and Dennis L <grin> <hugs>.)

I recommend the above paper to your consideration.

You can find more such fine work at Miles' website: The personal art and counter-criticism site of MILES WILLIAMS MATHIS (http://mileswmathis.com/index.html). See especially his Updates (http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html) page to get links to his latest papers and commentary.

[mosquito]

Thanks Paul.

The Link you provided didn't work (it may be only temporary) but the paper is available on the "updates" page.

....having now read it.

An extremely well written peice, and I recommend people read it.

I like his conclusion, which sort of fits in with the realisations I've made over the last 8 years of my life. I'm an anarchist at heart (using the real meaning of the word - against rule or governance), but through various life experiences have come to see that benevolent, informed and WISE leadership (as opposed to rule) is not necessarily a bad thing and if we could attain it I believe it would turn our situation around far more quickly than anything else. If that idea makes anyone's hackles rise, and I can understand if it does, then just ask yourself how happy you'd be to get on board an aircraft with no captain, no flight plan and no destination. Even if all the passengers decided to hold hands and say "Om" I don't think you'd be going anywhere very quickly.

The success of his theory depends on there actually being a core group of people who control humanity; on these people being succeptible to persuasion by reasoning; and on them being able, through their own power, to alter the actions of those who appear to run the show.

As I said, it is very well written and easy to read, thanks Paul.

[e.Man]

hi paul - your 1st link to the pdf is busted - should be: http://mileswmathis.com/protocols.pdf

so, yeah, there's debate on whether the document is real and i'm going to read the paper you linked to, but in my mind, it really doesn't matter it the zio-protocols are real or not, does it? just look at history and what is happening now

this is a subject i plan on elaborating on in a lot more detail on this forum because, to me, it is a terribly under-discussed subject - even the alternative news - corbett, sibel edmonds, amber lyon (former CNN), abby martin (RT), and many others - won't touch it (i've contacted all of them multiple times and never even received a reply)

were it just a history thing, i wouldn't care, but the history given to us by the victors of WW2 and the Jewish criminal cabal (and i am not saying Jews in general) has had, and continues to have an unbelievable (literally) impact upon our lives, politics, the media, finance, etc., and i personally think that that it is important to understand the real history and motives in order to better access and develop solutions for the many problems we face

[ThePythonicCow]

Ok - pdf link fixed now :)

[gripreaper]

I think that three basic premises he uses are false.

One, to say that these ruling elite are made of the same stuff we are, is not true in my opinion. He does try and move us away from the whole "lizard" context of alien crazies, but I believe that these psychopathic interlopers do not have the capacity for boundary, where they see us as "other". Their only capacity is reptilian and we are just appendages for their own self grandiosity.

To see us as other, and to treat us better because this serves their own best self interest, by making us happier and the world more inhabitable and hospitable, would make them sleep easier because they would not have to have the surveillance networks and the subsequent protocols in place to squash any dissent? They could give a rats ass about any of that, and they sleep just fine.

Two, this paper is shrouded in some religious dogma, as it is not the intent of the protocols to get rid of religion or the belief in god. As a matter of fact, religion and the belief in god was purposely created by them for that very reason, for the transference of affection to a singular being, and to an angelic future where we could live in harmony with this being and have abundance in that manufactured future, thus making living here and now more palatable as the lie it is.

Prior to the 13th dynasty of Egypt, and the emergence of Akenaten, the true gnostic teachings had us turn within and embrace our own internal powers, and those powers had archetypes and symbols by which we could identify the energy and the manifestations of those energies. These alien interlopers spawned all three of the popular religions from the same source at the time Akenaten was expelled, (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) for the same reason, to create divisiveness and conflict, and to create a transference of focus.

Three, I see no difference between the aristocracy or the banksters. As far as I can tell, they were both cut from the same cloth. Go back further in history and the Kazarian's or Zionists, or whatever you want to call them, were spawned from the Hyksos dynasty. The divisiveness and conflict between the aristocracy and the banksters is a ruse, the same protocol of divide and conquer. They are one in the same and have the same alien origin.

Hey, look over here, not over there. We are to believe that the aristocracy is the perpetrators only to keep our eyes off the banksters, who choose to remain hidden and put this protocol in place to do just that. They are in bed together. Their mutual agreement serves both of them well. You be the face and we be hidden, that is all.

To think that we could sell them on the idea that it is in their best interest to treat us better and that in turn would make their lives better, is utter balderdash. They could give a rats ass less, as they already own everything and all they have left to aggrandize themselves is to take everything, even if it destroys the very host by which their very existence depends.

They are the scorpion being carried across the river by the frog, who promises not to sting the frog if he will carry him across, yet as soon as they are out in the middle of the river, the scorpion stings the frog. When the frog asks him, why did you sting me, you know we are now both going to die, right? The scorpion replies, "BECAUSE IT IS MY NATURE"

Killing them or trying to bargain with them is not going to work. They will have to decide to leave this planet they stole on their own accord, which does not seem that far off. Looks like they are preparing for something to occur around fall of 2017. Would not surprise me if they jump in their spaceships and get the hell out of here and go back to wherever it was they came from. Their minions can die in their hidey holes, and some of the rest of us will survive and rebuild.

Or we ascend to higher consciousness and they can't stand the vibration and get sick of trying to manipulate us. Both scenarios most likely have them abandoning their little hell hole they created, or destroying it. They can't do otherwise, as they don't have the capacity. They are NOT like us.

[e.Man]

hi gripreaper - you seem to have an excellent knowledge of history

i have a question on this...


Three, I see no difference between the aristocracy or the banksters. As far as I can tell, they were both cut from the same cloth. Go back further in history and the Kazarian's or Zionists, or whatever you want to call them, were spawned from the Hyksos dynasty. The divisiveness and conflict between the aristocracy and the banksters is a ruse, the same protocol of divide and conquer. They are one in the same and have the same alien origin.

regarding the aristocrats and the bankers, what is your opinion on east and west? do you see a major division there?

my understanding is that the east and west financial players are more like 2 competing teams with a lot of tension between them and the sinking of the dollar may be evidence of that, as well as the new banking thing (the IMF competitor - i forget what it's called) - what Fulford says may also corroborate this, but i pretty much lost complete faith in anything he says anymore

[gripreaper]

hi gripreaper - you seem to have an excellent knowledge of history

i have a question on this...


Three, I see no difference between the aristocracy or the banksters. As far as I can tell, they were both cut from the same cloth. Go back further in history and the Kazarian's or Zionists, or whatever you want to call them, were spawned from the Hyksos dynasty. The divisiveness and conflict between the aristocracy and the banksters is a ruse, the same protocol of divide and conquer. They are one in the same and have the same alien origin.

regarding the aristocrats and the bankers, what is your opinion on east and west? do you see a major division there?

my understanding is that the east and west financial players are more like 2 competing teams with a lot of tension between them and the sinking of the dollar may be evidence of that, as well as the new banking thing (the IMF competitor - i forget what it's called) - what Fulford says may also corroborate this, but i pretty much lost complete faith in anything he says anymore

I don't see any difference between east and west when you get up as high on the pyramid of power as is being discussed here. The Rothchild's and the Rockefeller's are basically the same, as are the neocon's and their IMF Federal Reserve and the new BRICSA alliance.

As not to derail this thread, this has been discussed in this thread Global Currency Reset (SDR's and the New Bretton Woods; by JC Collins) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76591-Global-Currency-Reset--SDR-s-and-the-New-Bretton-Woods-by-JC-Collins-). You might take up your question there.

[ThePythonicCow]

I moved three posts above to Split thread from "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82421-Split-thread-from-The-Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion), for reasons explained in the fourth post of that split thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think that three basic premises he uses are false.

One, to say that these ruling elite are made of the same stuff we are, is not true in my opinion.
That's a key question, certainly, perhaps the key question. Are the bastards stuck on dastardly, NOT like us as you say? I don't know. God help us if they are.

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Two, this paper is shrouded in some religious dogma, as it is not the intent of the protocols to get rid of religion or the belief in god.
I agree that religion is one of the key tools used by the bastards to control the masses, but I am unable to reconcile your statement that it is not the intent of the protocols to get rid of religion or the belief in god with this quote from the Protocols, included in Miles' paper:
IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

~~~


Three, I see no difference between the aristocracy or the banksters.
There may be fundamental commonalities and overlaps between them, however I don't think they are monolithic, and I do think that Miles makes an excellent case that the Protocols of the Zions historical document reflects what was, at least at the time, a serious schism between the aristocrats (European royalty) and banksters (European financiers).

[URIKORN]

23.05.2015

In response to - The Protocols of the Elders of Zion -- and a call for a more benevolent leadership


First I want to express my gratitude to Miles Mathis for his work and effort, which not only I found interesting and clear but which also made me laugh from time to time.

But, to be true to myself and to my intuition I find the later part of his essay naïve, as he himself was well aware some will find his suggestion to be.

I will not belabour my case.

My assertion: we are going through a process in which it is not enough to become a reformed demon, but still remain a demon.
One is called to make an existential choice:
Do you believe in the Good ?
Are you ready to dedicate your life to the Good, whatever the
cost ?

Whether some of the "Elite" will have a change of heart or not is not the issue (and I do hope for as many such cases).
It is my nature that I decline any business deal with the "Elite".
They are, as "elite" non entities in the face of GOOD.
Those of them which will sincerely relinquish their lower selves do not deserve a "thank you" for that. They deserve a wormth and respect for their transition.

The main weakness that I find/sense in Miles Mathis is a basic limitation of feeling the vital core of LOVE/GOOD and dependency upon LIGHT/INTELLECT which are products of LOVE/GOOD.

These are my thoughts and only Allah knows the truth


An act of Love is logical enough but when taken in real life it flows not from logic but from faith and attraction. Such an act is sort of jumping into the abyss. The logic and good sense of that act is understood only later, after the "suicidal" act was taken

[TrumanCash]

Unfortunately, Miles Mathis does not understand that it is aliens indeed that have been running the planet by establishing secret societies and religions and pitting one country against another in endless wars. His first suggestion about aliens is not a bad one but unfortunately it is aliens who are instructing and assisting the "few dozen people" to enslave mankind:

"If aliens are watching us—as some think—and if they were given permission to break the non-
interference clause, they would change human society most quickly by targeting a few dozen people. If
they replaced the right 50 people, say, with benevolent look-alikes, human history would reverse
overnight."

"If those aliens are watching, they are waiting for us to make that jump and finally show the potential we
have. I suspect they are amazed we have been stalled for so long. They must be amazed that an entire
planet can be purposely stalled by a few families for many centuries, just for their personal enrichment
— while those same families remain miserable. We are all caught in the manufactured nightmare of a
few hundred related people, and since they cannot wake we also cannot."


However, I believe his proposed solutions deserve merit. Although the "manufactured nightmare" was not created by just a few hundred (Earthbound) people, it was created by certain aliens. If we were to come to some accord with these aliens, perhaps the main problem could be resolved.

Surprisingly, I have demonstrated this action to be an effective solution. In the spring of 2012 I directly communicated (telepathically) with the very aliens who had been abducting me. Through this communication I got them to agree to remove an insidious brain implant and stop abducting me. This occurred three years ago and I have not been abducted since then. It worked!

And also of interest is how it worked. I actually only communicated with the tall Gray, "Arnie", who had implanted me. He had to go to his superiors to get permission to finally stop abducting me and he got their agreement.

Granted that connecting with the actual, highest level (ET) controllers of this planet and changing their minds may be more challenging than my circumstance, but I think that this is what must occur in order to create a positive and permanent change vis-a-vis this planet.

TLC

[ThePythonicCow]

I think that three basic premises he uses are false.

One, to say that these ruling elite are made of the same stuff we are, is not true in my opinion.
That's a key question, certainly, perhaps the key question. Are the bastards stuck on dastardly, NOT like us as you say? I don't know. God help us if they are.
Jim Willie is out with his monthly newsletter and the usual round of audio interviews he does just after posting the newsletter. He continues to be the one I find most credible.

One of his interviews this month can be found at Bonus Hangout with Jim Willie from GoldenJackass.com (BeyondBitcoin.org) (https://beyondbitcoin.org/bonus-hangout-with-jim-willie-from-goldenjackass-com/). I am listening to it now ... it's long (2 hours) and varies from chit-chat to brilliant. Hopefully I will get a chance to write it up for the Avalon forum.

However ... one of the points that Jim Willie drives home, again, is that the Chinese are driving some serious reforms on this planet, and the Western elite Banksters, including Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bushes, Neocon-Zionist-Nazi's, ...) are bargaining for their very lives and to avoid jail and (relative, from their perspective) poverty.

As I was listening to part of that interview, I recalled an ancient bit of Chinese history. The Chinese already, centuries ago, rejected paper currencies, after their emperors abused such one too many times. Now, for the last couple of centuries, the Western elite, funded by the debt-money financed (paper money) Banksters, have been pissing on China, from the Opium Wars to the Japanese invasion of the 1930's, to the Korean and Vietnam wars, to HAARP caused droughts in China, to nasty virus outbreaks underneath the flight paths of British Airways flights, to the massive pollution of Japan and the Pacific Ocean with Fukushima, to the attempted theft of some ancient Chinese gold stored in London to finance the Euro, ... and on and on and on. China has a long history and a long memory.

The Chinese will gladly get rid of the Western Banksters debt-money system, just as they did their emperors paper money systems, centuries ago. And they are doing that, now, as we speak. We will see the return of gold backed trade notes and of substantially less corrupt financial markets and institutions. (Given how massively corrupt the Western systems have become, that still leaves a fair bit of room for some under the table dealings <grin>.)

Real progress on kicking the worst of the Western Bankster bastards out is being made, here and now.

Note, also, from the very evidence visible in the Protocols of the Elders of the Zions historical document, the Western Banksters, such as the Rothschilds, did not so heavily dominate Western civilization and the Euro-Anglo-American empires until later in the 1800's. The long standing European royalty and their various empires, such as the German, Austria, Hungary, French and Spanish, were real and competing centers of power, which the Rothschilds and Bankster associates successfully sought to control, through money lending to fund corruption and wars, during the 1800's. That's the context in which these Protocols were written, in the view of Miles Mathis, and I still agree with that analysis.

I am not saying that all will be light and bliss ... but I am saying that the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bush, Neocon-Zionist-Nazist, ... crowd will end up having dominated humanity for less than two centuries, when all is said and done.

Moreover, I am saying that I expect to see this happen, with major events obvious to most observers in this year or next, and substantial resolution visible to all but the blind within a few years.

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings...
I read Miles' piece...and I reread the protocols...and all I can say is...the events depicted since the late 1700's have come to fruition...much as they were written...and they continue to be implemented (as we speak)...and who the perpe-traitors are seems evident ...by who has benefited from the atrocities, and continues to do so...
How anyone can call these protocols ... fiction...in my opinion...is absurd...and just plain wrong...what has been done is a fact...Miles missed the entire point.
Blessings
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[araucaria]

I have not studied the Protocols of the Elders of Sion or Miles Mathis’ work either, but in terms of textual analysis, I think this interpretation is spot on. First I want to develop this notion of fiction, which many have difficulties with, by offering an example.

The other day, I played a Schubert Impromptu on the piano, which someone said was very sad. The listener was not himself sad, which is why the sadness hit him. Neither was I sad, as I was enjoying playing. And I dare say Schubert was not sad as he enjoyed the exhilaration of composing the piece. Had he changed a note by half a tone, the same mood could have produced a totally cheerful piece. So the reality of the situation is musical enjoyment from three different angles, and the sadness was a fiction, but it came from somewhere and was passed on: from the composer, who had reason enough to be sad when he wasn’t composing, through the player, who had reason enough for it to resonate (making his interpretation reasonably coincident), and the listener, who brought his own sensitivity to that emotion. So the fiction is the underlying emotion that becomes a reality when its successful communication is verbally acknowledged. It differs from the immediate reality of the moment because it is the processing of another moment: you are standing back and from a position of relative happiness releasing the sadness which is no less real (au contraire) for being a carefully composed impromptu, but which can be attenuated through this controlled release.

This layer of careful composition is what is being added to the mix here, amounting to a scripted performance rather than a spontaneous outburst, and there are three levels at which the fiction may not work, or not so well. And now there is a fourth level, because Miles Mathis himself has added a further layer of composition to the process; (and I am about to add a fifth).

A hoax, on the other hand, would introduce an element of deception, maybe by turning a cheerful piece into a dirge, resulting in cognitive dissonance as you process the two. A conscious fiction as described above is capable of handling the apparent discordance of experiencing sadness while being happy, and even because of being happy. But a hoax is merely a deliberate and effective effort at the end of a spectrum of intermediate situations produced by various degrees of incompetence and clumsiness. We need to factor in the myriad in-between ways in which basically simple bona fide misunderstandings can muddy the waters and possibly harden into hostility. The only way forward, in my humble opinion, is to acknowledge the general scope for bona fide misunderstanding, thereby softening the hostility to the extent possible.

We cannot posit or circumscribe an incorrigible hard core until we have tried this approach. See the recent example of the black leopard called Diabolo: the seemingly incurable case was sorted inside two minutes.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=960937&viewfull=1#post960937

This is what is being seen as naivety on Miles Mathis’s part; it is in fact a necessary first step, which may prove enough. If it doesn’t, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. This approach is fully in line with what I have been trying to develop for some time. A while back I used the notion of sophisticated innocence to describe the process of getting our leaders to do as we want them to do, e.g. here:


araucaria

i would like to believe what you say...

But not until i see a real conversion within the church itself ~ Say for starters finally allowing women full and equal membership (priesthood)... As well as fully implementing the true spirit of Vatican II !

Note ~ until i see some real change in Rome, i will remain a skeptic and a distracting force against its wayward ways. As i said before, during my religious vocational period 'i witnessed some men that were holy and then some who weren't so holy ... It is up to the new Pope Francis, to prove which path he will lead the faithful unto down or heavenly upward ?

Giovonni, I disagree that you can sit back and believe something when you see it: if everyone does that, then it ain’t gonna happen. This in my opinion is the mechanism for giving one’s power away, as opposed to focused intention, which correctly applied by such a large number, could make the papacy the most powerful force for good on this planet. See my posts below.





@Flash...who wrote:

"Strange that you link this to slavery Ulli, aren't we in a global planetary slavery right now?
If so, how can we expect the Elite or PTB or dracos to give us any freedom?
The door opening through them, i doubt it.
Their hand may have to be forced.
It makes me think of someone once telling me it was karma, and I answered that my karma was to stop her.
The job has to be done by us, wishfull thinking or magical happenings are not enough to have people as deeply ingrained in their ownerships change at what seems the flip of fingers. Lots of work usually is done prior by the slaves."To be honest, I think this is debatable. While there are definitely signs of slavery
there are also signs of freedom, and of possibility of escape,
as well as of "slave masters" who are generously offering amnesty.
There are many good people in positions of power who have the best of mankind at heart.
Who are loving and sincere.
Not only is the elite made up of 'black hats' and 'white hats',
but within each member there is a mixture of goodwill and need for personal survival.

No one person has all the power, and those who are identified with institutions
usually have less power than someone who has escaped the trappings of
material society, with it's status symbols, and lives a simple life.

For good example of a mixture of oversimplistic attitudes to good and bad in people, especially those with power, take the former Cardinal Bergoglio. As a Jesuit (bad), there is doubt over his role during the dark years in Argentina: maybe he didn’t protect some of his left-leaning order, who disappeared. So there were Jesuits on both sides of that conflict – this means that whatever side you take, some Jesuits are good people.



For some, the new pope is a good man, who looks after the poor and lives a simple personal life, taking the animal-lover Francis of Assissi as his role model. For others, if he is in that top job, then he cannot be a good man. And they will likely discover that Berg in German means mountain and oglio in Italian means eye, put two and two together and decide that he is the eye on the pyramid. They will likely speculate that he was smuggled away to Argentina in a U-boat at the end of the war as a 9-year-old fascist.

Let me put a more positive slant on all this. The major issue this time around was choosing between a pro-Curia cardinal and a reformist. The Curia are called the Romans, so the Petrus Romanus scenario could have been any one of those guys getting in; so possibly choosing a reformist from the other side of the planet was the best answer to derailing the apocalyptic game plan and inflicting an unexpected defeat on the divided Romans.

Given that the plan was/is to destroy the Church, it is worth looking at why we might want to preserve it in some form, and how it might be turned more unambiguously into a force for good. One obvious area of competence is prayer. When they say the conclave is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it means that over a hundred people gathered together with a single common focus, and with countless millions outside also focusing on that purpose, the outcome will be the right one for that particular situation. These are large-scale Intention experiments that didn’t wait for Lynne McTaggart to call them that. Hence choosing a pope is something that just about everyone is involved in to some extent, regardless of their views on popery: might as well do it consciously and positively. Since, regardless of our views on leadership, leaders do provide leadership to many (including many who claim otherwise), better have good leaders providing good leadership; which is done by using the same focus that got them elected to guide them every step of the way. A good leader knows that they are not towing people behind him, they are being pushed.


This is how it works, and has been working up till now. Ratzinger got in on this principle and was thrown out on this principle, when he no longer had this spiritual constituency to carry on. The mechanics of his resignation in relation to this or that scandal or agenda are ultimately irrelevant details. Collectively we went to the brink, had a good look down, and have now stepped back.






Pursuing my thoughts on leadership in an earlier post. If the leader is acting out on behalf of/driven by the grassroots, then we may take the counterintuitive view that politicians of late have been no exception, and have continued to fulfill voters’ expectations. As these expectations approached zero and worse, they have behaved accordingly. We do not get the leadership that we deserve or want, we get the leadership that we expect.

The key then is to expect what we really want (and deserve). This is a form of the ‘naïve optimism’ that is so decried on this forum and that some of us see rather differently. It cannot be truly naive since it is conscious. It is actually ‘sophisticated innocence’, which only sounds like an oxymoron to the extent that we haven’t fully understood the concept.

How do we get from where we are to where we want to be? Well some sophisticated innocents have been voting in a few politicians like forum member Simon Parkes, who are already acting upon these positive expectations. As our expectations gradually increase, their performance will follow. This will be so, just as surely as the same principle has so far applied in the opposite direction: the more corrupt we can imagine our politicians to be, the more corrupt they have shown themselves to be.

Unfortunately, I am not sure that forums like Avalon, yes Avalon, have turned this corner yet.

[ThePythonicCow]

Unfortunately, Miles Mathis does not understand that it is aliens indeed that have been running the planet by establishing secret societies and religions and pitting one country against another in endless wars.
Perhaps we're both right :).

By way of example, when people have health issues, they often have to work several layers, over time, to effect a cure. They might need to detoxify their body of poisons and heavy minerals, change their diet from junk food toxins to healthy foods, change their friends from narrow-minded, mean-spirited, to others more clear minded and open hearted, work out some deeply embedded emotional issues and change their emotional temperaments, and, by your report, perhaps have some implants removed and abductions ceased. Health of an individual involves various physical, emotional, mental and spiritual levels.

Perhaps it is not just the alien influence, nor just the human bastards in power, that afflict humanity. Perhaps it is that, and more, including the physical and electrical planet and other life forms on the planet, which influence our well being, and which could use some healing ... all interacting layers, each subtle and complex in their own ways.

[ThePythonicCow]

Greetings...
I read Miles' piece...and I reread the protocols...and all I can say is...the events depicted since the late 1700's have come to fruition...much as they were written...and they continue to be implemented (as we speak)...and who the perpe-traitors are seems evident ...by who has benefited from the atrocities, and continues to do so...
How anyone can call these protocols ... fiction...in my opinion...is absurd...and just plain wrong...what has been done is a fact...Miles missed the entire point.
Blessings
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The PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-full-text-folder.html) were supposedly written in the late 1800's, not late 1700's (nit, sorry.)

More to the point, Miles Mathes goes to some length in his article to explain that fiction can be substantially true. Fiction does not mean lies, but is rather a style of presentation. As Miles writes, speaking of these Protocols, "It is a fiction that is mostly true."

[araucaria]

Here is another ‘fiction’, a publication by Sidney Warburg (no person of that name ever existed,): The Financial Sources of National Socialism, Three Conversations with Hitler, translated by J.G. Schoup, van Holkema & Warendorf, Publishers, Amsterdam, 1933. English version, Hitler’s Secret Backers, CPA Books, 1999. The German translation by Rene Sonderegger bears the words ‘Documentation concerning the financing of political events, for the Archives of the Schweizerischen Landesbibliothek, February 11, 1947’.

Anthony C. Sutton devotes chapter 10 of his book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler to the ‘Myth of Sidney Warburg’, in which he notes how ‘many of the then-little-known facts recorded in the book are accurate’, and concludes, ‘this could have been a book designed to break the back of Hitler’s supporters abroad, to inhibit the planned transfer of U.S. war-making potential, and to eliminate financial and diplomatic support of the Nazi state. If this was the goal, it is regrettable that the book failed to achieve any of these purposes.’ http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch10.html

As with Shane ‘the Ruiner’, I am not particularly interested in the identity of the author of this pamphlet or the truth or otherwise of its content. I have not read this anywhere, but it occurs to me that it sounds suspiciously like Sidney Weinberg of Goldman Sachs came in for a slight change of surname rather than it being a Warburg with an invented first name. Obviously this piece of writing falls short of total honesty: the story has been somewhat fictionalized in certain details so as to preserve the writer’s anonymity, and is therefore describable as containing a certain amount of disinformation without necessarily being substantially untrue.

I suggest this was a kind of therapy to control the madness experienced by bankers being dishonest with themselves. Aby Warburg, Paul Warburg’s eldest brother, walked out of the banking business, ended up really going mad and shut up in a sanatorium. When he cured himself (for he was the sane one), he became a dangerous potential whistleblower, and I am as sure as I can be that he was taken out by another brother, Max, who was also head of the German secret service.


You are sometimes dealing with entities that are an inextricable blend of good and bad. The rabid dog was the analogy used on a psychopath thread about a year ago. ‘Sidney Warburg’, the pseudonym of the banker who blew the whistle on the funding of Hitler which he had personally supervised, described his struggle of conscience when dealing with people who were sometimes family.


There are moments when I want to run away from a world of such intrigue, trickery, swindling, and tampering with the stock exchange. Every so often I mention these things to my father as well as to other bankers and brokers. Do you know what I can never understand? How it is possible that people of good and honest character—for which I have ample proof—participate in swindling and fraud, knowing full well that it will affect thousands. The powers in Sinclair Trust have brought in millions of dollars to Wall Street, but ruined thousands of savers. When one questions the reasons for the dishonest and morally indefensible practices of financial leaders one never gets an answer. Although their private lives are orderly and good, it can’t be that they discard their true characters as soon as they enter the financial world, forgetting all concepts of honesty and morality in favour of money, sometimes millions of dollars.

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings...
I read Miles' piece...and I reread the protocols...and all I can say is...the events depicted since the late 1700's have come to fruition...much as they were written...and they continue to be implemented (as we speak)...and who the perpe-traitors are seems evident ...by who has benefited from the atrocities, and continues to do so...
How anyone can call these protocols ... fiction...in my opinion...is absurd...and just plain wrong...what has been done is a fact...Miles missed the entire point.


I think you are wrong on the date...I think they were written in 1776...
Blessings
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The PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-full-text-folder.html) were supposedly written in the late 1800's, not late 1700's (nit, sorry.)

More to the point, Miles Mathes goes to some length in his article to explain that fiction can be substantially true. Fiction does not mean lies, but is rather a style of presentation. As Miles writes, speaking of these Protocols, "It is a fiction that is mostly true."

Written in 1776................. How much sense does that make???

[ThePythonicCow]

How much sense does that make???
I'm guessing from the triple ??? that something you quoted looked senseless to you :).

But I'm not sure what in particular looked so to you.

P.S. -- Aha - you were editing in the 1776 date as I was posting the above confusion. Let me ponder this a bit more now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Continuing the previous post, from (a site I have not visited before) The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: Proof of an Ancient Conspiracy (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.htm):

In the 18th century we find yet another manifestation of the ancient conspiracy, this time in the works of Adam Weishaupt, who founded in Bavaria his secret order of the Illuminati in 1776. Many regard Weishaupt's philosophy and work to be the true single origin of the Protocols. However, I have to disagree strongly.
So my current hypothesis, based on this quite limited research, is that Weishaupt founded the Illuminati in 1776, and that some consider that the true origin of the Protocols, but that earlier comments above that the actual Protocols were apparently written in the late 1800's stand unchallenged.

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks for your posts and your concern, Paul...
IMHO
This subject is the MOST IMPORTANT information and topic of the century...
Proof that the protocols were well known in Washingtons' era shows up in several of his letters...he saw his beloved Masonic lodges being usurped...by Jacobists I believe he called them...

regardless...of when...regardless of "a fiction that is mostly true", which is absurd, what is pertinent to humanity is this....there IS a parasitic lot that has and does conspire to enslave humanity...that does believe itself superior to humanity...and uses any and all forms of control mechanisms to dominate all aspects of humanity. They won.

ps...this was a lot longer...but I edited most of my reply...just not worth it.

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[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for your posts and your concern, Paul...
IMHO
This subject is the MOST IMPORTANT information and topic of the century...
Proof that the protocols were well known in Washingtons' era shows up in several of his letters...he saw his beloved Masonic lodges being usurped...by Jacobists I believe he called them...
Yes, I am confident that Washington knew about the Illuminati (or whatever he called them) and was a high ranking member of the Masons.

If you have links to proof that George Washington (1732-1799) knew about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", such as in particular the predictions of future wars, that could be quite interesting.

[Hervé]

Hopefully this will shed some light on the subject and not cast shadows:


SURRENDER OF CORNWALLIS

In this context, it is pertinent to recall the confession of General Cornwallis when he surrendered to General Washington at Yorktown (Oct. 19, 1781.)

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his "Legions of Satan," (1781,) that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

The Crown is the Illuminati (i.e. shareholders of the Bank of England.) Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem a contradiction:

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years, the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

In a 1956 speech, (http://www.henrymakow.com/nwo_introduced_under_masonic_g.html) Senator Joseph McCarthy reflected on these words:

"Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America with their veiled Phallic religion."

Excerpted from: http://www.henrymakow.com/the_united_states_is_a_masonic.htmlIf that's not talking of LONG term plans...

[Lefty Dave]

Yes, there is evidence, references,... that these protocols were in existence in the 1640's in France and Britain ...but no proof I am aware of...

What IS relevant is....it has all come to pass...so...how is it a hoax? Or a forgery...(of what?)...or something Russians wrote a century later...
I thank you all for the diatribe on this subject...and wish us all the best ...as the world turns !!!

[Tangri]

IMHO,
There were Lairds and bookkeepers all the time. Bookkeepers always cheat the lairds, and lairds knew it but ignored it, most of the time, bookkeepers turned to money holders.

By the time, money-holders became land lord of their vicinity.

In history, bookkeepers did not fight and have an army which was their weakest side.

Today they can kill and have an army in their expense.

Our problems(as a peasant) grown with their conflict on the governance.

Elders addressed the problem, it was the inheritance . Both side of the governance had the continuity(blood lines), and this continuity with inheritance has the rapid grow rate than peasants' production rate.

Nowadays, easy problem solving occurs as a depopulation of governance s and their peasants with same ratio. In the past, war was the solution for this, but modern wars depopulate only peasant side.

Which is a complete failure to address the issue.

Rulers must not have off-springs if they want to become a ruler.( otherwise human nature kicks in anytime) We can't do it for royals but still can be done at politicians(since election is the power).

[idiit]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/29/historys-cruelest-hoax-semitic-khazars/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/25/the-khazarian-mafia-part-ii/


all vt today khazarian articles here:

^ http://www.veteranstoday.com/?s=khazarian



veterans today has published several blistering articles on the true Zionists; the khazars and their redacted history. this is fascinating, must read stuff for those interested in the subject.

the khazars were luciferians who were forced by Russia to adopt a true religion or be destroyed. the khazars adopted Judaism as a façade to continue their centuries old traditions of evil incarnate. most khazarian history has been wiped clean from researchable documentation. Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are fake jews because if they (Zionists) were revealed for who they really are they would be exterminated.

the ancient homeland of the khazars was Ukraine. isn't it morbidly fascinating what's recently happened to Ukraine and the state of Israel announcing Israel is interesting in repopulating Ukraine in the near future?


Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them at least temporarily to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled.


It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

^ that's an israeli times newspaper article for your information. :)

the Ashkenazi Jews are the Zionists, aka fake jews. read this stuff for yourself. :)

[Lancet]

Hi all,
for what its worth ( my 2 cents),
Miles Mathis touches on several pertinent points. He points out that his papers are also directed at them.

1. I think he has highlighted Karma to them, and that their actions have consequences. no one controls karma.. not even the ETs and when they die what would happen to their next life? would it better to repent and make good even after all that they have done? They can change their karma by voluntarily and conscientiously making decisions for the benefit of mankind. I would presume that even the bankers and aristocrats have karmic concerns.

2. i think that it is timely that he has revisited this topic, and bring it back to to our consciousness.

3. his contention about the interposing of fact and fiction is also true.. he makes a good point on why it may be a propaganda piece.

4. if you were a bankster or an aristocrat.. what would you do? what points would you take so that the masses wouldnt take you to the nearest tree with some rope? so i see his suggestions for them as the most sensible path. it also represents an elegant decision

jt

[PathWalker]

From my perspective the protocols are very effective disguised NWO revelation.
It was written by insider. That could not reveal the true secret government identity.

If a scholar replaced the Jews with the Catholic church. It would read much more realistic.

The conspiratorial connections and communication channels described in the protocols requires massive collaborative organization spanning hundreds of years. This could fit nicely with secret societies and centralized institutions.

The western Jews were not centralized 100 years ago, to the contrary. The did their best effort to assimilate (failed miserably).

I find lots of correlation between the protocols and Gordon Duff's "Veteran Today". VT reveals lots of insiders information but wrap it with anti Israeli conspiratorial digestible slant. If one follow the information it is clearly not related to Israel or Jews but it is required by the operator (CIA/FBI...) to address some evil entity scapegoat. And preserve the victimhood, hate, anger and most important FEAR.

Therefore if a spiritual person read the protocols, it is very reach with reptilian in energy.
I find it very clever and effective diversion work of art.
I have strong feeling its sources are from the church.

As for plan and conspiracy described, it is a screenplay for the current revelation of the 4th reich in north America.

I am extra optimistic, since it is all falling on its face and the world people are awakening.
The old tactics of fear/hate/anger false flags war, are not as effective anymore. Even in Israel.


:offtopic: As for the rumor of Jews immigrating to Ukraine.
There is an ultra orthodox sect that perform yearly pilgrimage to Uman in central Ukraine (late September).
The person writing that rumor has no idea about the social/religious working of the Israeli society.

I enjoy reading VA material, and it is clear they know nothing at all about the overt and covert politics of Israel.
Better read VA posts from Uri Avinery he knows allot. :focus:

Lesson learned from PA in recent years.
All information presented here is biased and has agenda. We need to learn to analyze the information. Things are never what they seems to be on the face.

[loungelizard]

Thanks for introducing me to Miles Mathis, Paul - I shall read his analysis.

Incidentally Idiit, that blog entry in The Times of Israel is a spoof. :blushing:

[idiit]

^ cool. the caliber here is pretty darn good. i'm a student.



All information presented here is biased and has agenda. We need to learn to analyze the information. Things are never what they seems to be on the face.

pathwalker

^ amen brother. :) that's the job.

[Camilo]

WOW, there is sombody out-there badmouthing PA, Bill and Paul regarding this thread. I just saw that as I tried to log into PA.

[Hervé]

What if...

... the designers of these protocols are neither cabalists/zionists nor aristocrats/satanists... but a third party that's very knowledgeable in the dealing ways of both protagonists to get them out of their way?

... because they initially designed both...

... you know, like in the "Orion Model (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46424-Incarceration-as-a-form-of-vengeance&p=507187&viewfull=1#post507187)"?

[araucaria]

As I stated above, the status of the Protocols is a quicksand of deeper and deeper layers of fiction; this includes dating of the document. Rather than getting bogged down in a ‘diachronic’ approach to this text, it may be more fruitful to take a ‘synchronic’ approach in the here and now.

The subtitle of this thread is ‘a call for a more benevolent leadership’: let’s get back to that. The issue facing the world today is the total bankruptcy of its leadership, not only moral bankruptcy due to lack of, maybe not benevolent intent, but at least benevolent outcomes, but also near financial bankruptcy for all but themselves, a combination leading to total ineffectiveness whereby before long there will be nothing more at all to be said or done. The present financier régime is irretrievably broken, and we cannot envisage a return to the previous aristocratic régime, which also signally failed. Nor can we allow a hostile takeover by any other group, which would only perpetuate the whole bankrupt régime system.

The here and now is that Miles Mathis is trying to speak directly to the 50 in charge in terms that they can understand and listen to, because he refuses to make devils of them. I agree with that approach, and am trying to do the same here. This post on an open forum is readable for what it says by whoever comes to this page, but it also has an active doing component that is directed solely at those gentlemen at the very top, and for me, speaking in terms they – you – can understand and listen to means converting a few possibly sentimental, religious turn-the-other-cheek sounding ideas into hard-nosed economic ones. Notions like forgiveness, redemption or karma are economic terminology that is no longer comprehensible in the garbled form it has taken on in churches and temples.

Let’s start with karma. We often hear that some people in high places have created so much bad karma for themselves that their fear of a day of reckoning has reached such a pitch that they can no longer ‘repent’, or in non-religious terms, envision a change of course. If so, and it is perfectly plausible given our general understanding of karma, then this is the major issue facing us at this time. I am going to tell you how this issue is to be resolved. It involves converting karma back to the economic process it originally was. Here, to set the ball rolling, is an earlier post of mine:




Was thinking about karmic debt today and the Ma'at AI I speak of would be very suited for handling such.
I do believe in karmic debt to some degree, and believe if it is something that exists, it exists only because extraterrestrials have established systems for it.

I do not believe in karma in terms of any good you do is good karma. Or do bad any bad you do is bad karma. I more believe in a system involved in human psyche that is based on actions and reactions in addition to the extraterrestrial system in place.
On the subject of karma, here is something I posted last year on a private thread.


…Karma strikes me as a spiritual equivalent to banking or accounting. If you spend a lot of money, either you are building up large debt to be paid off, or you have substantial savings to draw from. You can be temporarily overdrawn, but apart from loans to pay back, you need to stay more or less in the black to preserve your credit rating. You have big spenders, who have a lot of money coming in and a lot going out. You have careful savers, who never spend more than they’ve got. But regardless of your budget, it works both ways: a double-entry bookkeeping system. Except that careful savers who never spend more than they’ve got don’t really need a bank anyway: they can simply spend as they earn and build up their modest wealth that way.

If you use this as an analogy for spiritual matters, it suggests that the more evil you are the more good you have done are or going to have to do – which in a timeless domain amounts to the same thing. In other words you can get away with a great deal of evil only if you are good enough – only gods can become devils; and conversely, it sounds like if you do no evil, you can do no good. The bottom line is that the negative is as powerful as the positive, if not more powerful.

This is all very well until you factor in the money made by the bank where the interest paid out to savers is a fraction of the interest collected from debtors. You have bankers and other capitalists making money out of money while the rest of us who are not running the show inevitably get into debt because it all balances out. This alchemy turns our real asset-backed cash into funny money, which is multiplied out of thin air and then laundered back into real cash.

Transpose this notion as well, this is Satan’s pride before a fall, of claiming superiority over God, when the opposite is true. You have a karma system that is not a God-given law of the universe, but a racket that has been set up by racketeers, who can spend our well-earned positive karma in this way to fulfil their hugely more ambitious negative goals. In other words, it is not just a matter of living off people’s fear, the idea is to live off people’s lack of fear, i.e. their love or goodness. However, this plan is doomed to failure, because they are producing increasing numbers of careful savers who are walking away from the whole setup.

So yes, I agree with Limor and Ron Mauer: karma is not so much a bitch as a huge scam.

I wasn’t thinking of the Catholic Church when I wrote that, but of course the monetization of indulgences (whereby cash donations became a substitute for good Christian living) was a major factor that led to the Protestant Reformation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

This is not to deny the existence and need for a system of honest, objective appraisal of how one has been doing within the overall scheme of things; simply that most current human thinking is a travesty of such a system.

Speaking in purely economic terms then means that bankruptcy is not moral or financial or both: it is simply financial, for unspecified reasons: something has happened that was not supposed to happen, no questions asked. That something is the fact that a corporation’s liabilities have outstripped its assets by such a margin that there is no way to carry on doing business. This is the stage we have reached. The assets of Earth Inc. have reached nearly 100% of the world’s resources and cannot be increased further. Its liabilities, or negative karma, have outstripped those assets by such a margin (falling just short of total destruction of the human race) that again, there is no way forward. The choice is now between voluntary or compulsory liquidation, corresponding to the ‘day of reckoning’ stripped of its religious overtones.

Liquidation involves a fiction: artificially balancing the books when they are irretrievably out of balance. This means that any assets are handed over, thereby redeeming liabilities in the same amount, with the inevitable further liabilities written off as bad debts. There is nothing particularly charitable about debt forgiveness: it is simply hard-nosed realism applied to debt. Realism means remembering from Accounting 101 that cash in hand cannot be negative: you can have cash in your purse, or no cash at all, but you cannot have less than nothing. Less than nothing is bad debt and the only way to remove it is to step back out of lalaland and write it off. It makes no sense for example to clap a multi-billion fine on a dodgy trader like they did to Jérôme Kerviel, when his ability to pay will not exceed a few hundred dollars per month – they just created more bad debt. A good debt is a debt with a due date sometime in the near future. A bad debt is one that has fallen overdue (due date in the past) and whose subsequent revised due dates recede into an ever more distant future (this year, next year, sometime, never).

Liquidation puts an end to this unending process: everything falls due right now. Bankruptcy means that you lose every last cent, but no more than that. The slate is wiped clean and you can start afresh. Only this time, on the global scale we are talking about, you are no longer free to make the rules as you go along, and compliance with collective regulations becomes the subject of greater oversight. The slate is wiped clean, meaning that your fresh start will possibly be frowned upon by some disgruntled creditors who realize they are never going to get their dues but who are nonetheless relieved to have recovered what they can and to be operating on firm ground at last. This is the turning-point where things will stop getting worse and can begin to improve, when everyone draws a line under everything that has happened up to this point.

The upshot of the above is that the huge worry of tremendous negative karma to be faced can be lifted from your shoulders by going into voluntary liquidation. This is a fully face-saving way out, because I for one – and I feel there are many more of us – am totally uninterested in passing judgement on what went wrong or apportioning blame of any kind. The answer to the debt of karma is a total amnesty, no questions asked. There are so many more or less innocent ways of coming unstuck that only become culpable when the offender persists beyond reason. Pardonable mistakes with far-reaching consequences can be made that only become unpardonable on the part of supposed masters who claim to be in full control of everything and hence above making any mistakes at all. This is now patently false – for one thing, you do not control my mind: I do. And it is that established falsity that removes the spectre of the unbearable alternative of compulsory liquidation. The burden of negative karma is indeed literally unbearable, and it is a spectre in the sense that you are haunted only by what you imagine to be the scale of retribution that awaits you – in other words, by a figment of your imagination: it ain’t gonna happen.

If I tell you that this future torment is happening now and that the world is quietly waiting for you to stop tormenting yourselves and simply move on together, that is a message I know you can hear. It means reversing the popular misconception that the rulers are out to get us. You are not out to get us: on the contrary, you live in fear that we are out to get you. We are not out to get you, we are merely pointing out that your economic model has ceased to be viable. Please try something else – by allowing others to try something else.