Best place in the world to live?

[Matt P]

I find myself saying something close to this to my wife frequently...
"If they make vaccines mandatory, where are we going to move?"

And then you can substitute "make vaccines mandatory" for others such as:
If they....
"take away our organic food"
"make gardens and water collection illegal"
"don't stop spraying my sky"
"keep expanding their police state and taking away my freedoms"
"try to take our kids because we don't vaccinate them"

You get the picture.

So I wonder, where is the best place on earth we could move to?

I have lived in other countries around the world but that was 20 years ago and a lot has changed. If I move my family to a freedom-loving, heathy-living spot in the world, it would have to have as many of these things as possible (in no particular order):

no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment :)

I found an interesting study done by George Mason University in 2013 that ranked the 50 states of the US for freedom but a place like I'm looking for may no longer exist in the united states corporation.

http://freedominthe50states.org/

Or maybe there's a hidden gem in one of the US states?

So, Avalonians are from all over the world. I can think of no better place to ask this question. What do you think the best place in the world would be to live healthy and free? If I can't dig in and fight for the life I expect here in Ky, I would gladly pack my bags and move to where I can.
What do you think?

Matt

[East Sun]

That may be a question for Bill Ryan. But things are continually changing so 'they' probably have plans for the entire world, eventually.

[robinr1]

I would preface this link by saying I don't think u can find what u are looking for in the usa...but this may be the best/ one of the better places in the usa....

a lot of young liberty minded folks have flocked there over the past few years...

https://freestateproject.org/.


new Hampshire

[Matt P]

I would preface this link by saying I don't think u can find what u are looking for in the usa...but this may be the best/ one of the better places in the usa....

a lot of young liberty minded folks have flocked there over the past few years...

https://freestateproject.org/.


new Hampshire

Thanks so much robinr1! That's an impressive list of reasons for New Hampshire. I also watched the video of the Free State Project. I didn't imagine it would be that interesting but the entire thing was great. Just finished it. Here's the link from the site:

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I had a huge post about Chile spooled up but I will let you check it out :)
They don't have fluoride-free water and food costs too much!! :(

[Kryztian]

I would guess South America, especially Ecuador, Bolivia and Uruguay. They are not highly developed economies that have given way to big, regulatory government. They have put the fascist Operation Condor behind them and yet it's memory isn't that distant, so there is distrust of a government and the conspiracy it can harbor. There is a welcoming attutude towards U.S. citizens, but a distrust of U.S. government and the corporations that run it. People there have figured out they don't need Coca-Cola and McDonalds, hopefully, that would also translate into a distrust of some other Western corporate "innovations" like big pharma and GMO/agri-business.

[ghostrider]

Ashville North Carolina , THE most beautiful , friendly , well maintained city I've ever seen in my life ... I've been to New York , Maryland , Ohio , Michigan , Indiana , Kentucky , Tennessee , Missouri , Kansas , Texas , Colorado , Arkansas , Virginia , West Virginia , Georgia , Alabama , Delaware , New Jersey , Illinois , Pennsylvania , Mississippi , Louisiana , and Nebraska ... Ashville N.C. is set around the Smokey Mountains , and is the most magical city I've ever been in ... they tried to keep the mountain natural and build the city with care not to disturb nature when possible ... at night that area is breathtaking ... there is something spiritual about that area ...

[The Lawnman]

I watched an interview with Joel Skousen and Alex Jones that I felt was done well. The author has lived in many places around the world and develops strategies for individuals looking to relocate. He even discusses foreign countries with their advantages and disadvantages which I found especially helpful.

I do not own the book but after hearing the interview intend to purchase it soon and go through it. EkWs5Doadq4

Strategic Relocation: North American Guide To Safe Places
ISBN-13: 978-1568612621 (http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Relocation-North-American-Places/dp/1568612621/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432409805&sr=8-1&keywords=Strategic+Relocation%3A+North+American+Guide+To+Safe+Places)
Publisher: Joel Skousen Designs; Third edition
Paperback: 348 pages

[Matt P]

Thanks ghostrider. Asheville comes up a lot as such a place as you describe and I have a family member that goes there a couple times a year for various types of gatherings. I've never been there personally but I do know they have fluoridated water (found a facebook page in support of ending it) and I know they're getting sprayed, just as I am in Ky. It does meet many of my interests, though.

Thanks The Lawnman. I've heard Joel's talks many times and have enjoyed them. I can't remember if he addresses geoengineering, vaccine legislation, gmo's and organic availability and that kind of stuff, though. I'll have to listen to some of the above again.

[betoobig]

right here right now...
... LOve
Juan

[Wind]

If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me! :)

[christian]

I had emigrated to Mongolia, lived there half a year as an English teacher, came back because the new-paradigm projects in Europe were more buzzing and were something for me to get involved in. Despite the lack of chemtrails in Mongolia, despite the mostly organic food and despite the mostly pristine nature, I left that place. The people were nice as well, of course not that metropolitan, even though the people in the capital are quickly catching up. That was 600 miles from where I lived though.

Spent three months in Ecuador, about that much time in Spain, Portugal, the US and of course decades in Germany. I had a good time in all of these places. At the moment, I enjoy living in Germany, because many friends and all of my family lives here as well, and because I am not alone being the kind of new-paradigm guy that I am. Especially in Berlin, which has a very anarchic feel for a city in the Western world.

What I have found is that most important to me is a task or a purpose. I can endure many conditions if I feel that I'm doing something that does have a positive impact in my life, in the life of people around me and in the bigger picture. My very next priority after purpose is community. I want to be with at least some people that I can relate to from the heart.

Mongolia was kind of an escape from the Western world, but by now I just wanna make the best out of the limited time that I have on this Earth and be of service where I have the highest leverage, not where my ass is safer than elsewhere. In the end, I feel, there's no way but to confront all of the issues that are affecting all of the planet anyways. An escape to some place can only be temporary because there is no escape for humanity, just a do or die. Sounds apocalyptic, but then of course things are never as bad as they seem, and I mean that.

In a way, I'm happy that I haven't been born in some pristine, isolated location, even if there were lots of friends. I'm thankful that I've been born in Germany, cause there were always lots of things for me to process and lots of things where I could contribute to the creation of a new momentum. All these little things that I did actually mean a lot to me, and I think all these little things done by everyday people is what does turn the tide for humanity after all. Living consciously, finding my mental-emotional-spiritual stability in all of this turmoil and being there for people around me. I like that, for what it's worth, it definitely makes me happy.

[Guish]

Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.

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If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me! :)


Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

[Wind]

Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I remember your proposition friend, sorry to hear that corruption exists there too. I guess it does in many places, more or less.
I don't touch any substances myself, but for medical reasons I would prefer them to be legal. No tornadoes and earthquakes there? :)

[Sith73]

For me its Florida, I love the ocean and water. Its beautiful and sunny here.

[WhiteLove]

mpennery, in my view the most important is to just move to the best place you can find while you have the chance and while you are trying to figure out the best place for you - something good enough while you find out the answer. I would say Melbourne is such kind of place because you should be able to find a job there quite easily and it has been selected as the best city in the world to live. A place in the US would be Nashville, because it is very down to earth over there due to music being a strong influence on the city. When you select the city, please note that the political view points of the people counts a lot, find a trend curve that shows how the political opinions of various parties have changed over time and pay close attention to the top 4 parties and how they relate to the left - right scale, the farther to the right that average is, the less service to others, which basically means more division/exclusion, more capitalism, a less social society, more negative competition and lower happiness. A country that focuses a lot of its investments into the military, is one to be careful with.

[tnkayaker]

im sure you can figure out all one needs is a well to be off municipal water and what may be in there, i filter all my water anyways before cooking etc,zero water is a great unit, alaska has alot of clean flowing water and weed is legal there for all to consume now so there might be an option for you , christian has alot of good words i must say! ,i also ponder these same issues so i wish you well in your endeavor, peace dennis.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Christian thanks for mentioning Mongolia.
there are probably still some hidey holes there :)

China and its mining companies have changed the face of that country over the last 10 years.

I spent 6 months there as a young teenager, and this was pre-mining (well they had silver mines run by the gov I think and some old soviet ones no doubt).

Now there are more train lines, mining camps, etc. scary stuff probably.
My friend there tells me the division of wealth is very chaotic and has changed a lot of people.

15 years ago it was looking like a poorer European city in Ulaanbaatar, now I have no idea, probably more billboards and tons of cell phones!!!


I can't really talk about the details of why,
but it was a crucial time for Mongolians to define themselves --
we tried very hard to show them some American values of charity and education.

It was a really sad but touching glimpse of how poor, yet how very rich, a people can be, without wealth as we know it.

Mongolia is a very sacred place, "Land of the Big Blue Sky"

[Matt P]

Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.[COLOR="red"]
Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

Wow, I did google it and I'm impressed and a little wiser now. Thanks. What a beautiful nation and all the inhabitants speak english and french, which would make employment easier. I also had a look at the wiki page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius ) and it mentioned Mauritius was a luxury resort location. Makes me wonder what the cost of living is there and how difficult it is for foreigners to relocate.

I was surprised to see this is the chain of islands where the US military base Diego Garcia is located. Oh my! I wonder how it is living so close to such a base and what one might happen to see. I wonder, too, if the military folks visit the other islands frequently.

Thanks

Matt

[lucidity]

Hi Matt,

good question!

Have you considered New Zealand ?
New Zealanders are friendly, respectful, respectable and civilised.
Very low crime rates and high level of community friendliness.
At least, that's what one of my relatives keep telling me, he moved there about 8 years ago.

However, they're (currently) very anti cannabis. And visitors to the islands are routinely
caught trying to smuggle (even tiny amounts) of cannabis into the country.

I'm afraid i don't know anything about it's vaccine, gmo, organic or police state aspects.

Of-course, it's english speaking.
So.. it might be worth considering this as an option.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[Bluegreen]

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[Agape]

Home is where bed is ...

...wise man does not move away from his home

strong man can carry his bed on his back

fast man runs from morning to night

and watchman stays watching


:ROFL:

[KiwiElf]

Hi Matt,

From a Kiwi... - and further to Lucidity's earlier recommendations: ;)

Starting at the anti-Cannabis point, (I agree with the rest), Kiwi's are pretty OK with Cannabis and there are a very high number of weed smokers in NZ ;). If you get caught by a cop and have only a small amount on you, all you're likely to get is a slap over the wrist and it will be confiscated. At worst a small fine. It is technically illegal but reasonably "tolerated" (and close to becoming decriminalised under mounting public pressure).

Bringing it into the country (or any other drugs) is a different matter: customs etc will come down on you like a ton of bricks! (You'd be crazy to bring weed into the country anyway as it's so easy and plentiful to get once you're here!). We're probably more anti-cigarette smoking than weed! Your pkt of 20 cigarettes will cost you $22+ (with most of that being collected by the govt as a tax). As for meth or "P", you'd be in big trouble, but it is a growing problem as with any larger city.

The Police themselves are very friendly (akin to the good ol' days in the UK or USA, where cops were friendly and helpful). You'll always get the odd "tough cop" but it's pretty rare as are cops dressed in military-type gear. The SWAT teams do dress like that but you'd be lucky to see them in your lifetime :).

Auckland is the biggest city with a population of slightly over a million people (wow!!) and very multi-cultural, with Asian immigrants making up 25%+ of Auckland's population, primarily Chinese & Korean. Although nobody wants to say it publicly, there is some resentment by locals to the number of Asian immigrants being allowed into the country as they are considered largely responsible for pushing house/property prices and rents up to a ridiculously high level, particularly in Auckland and Christchurch. (Your typical 3-bedroom 110 square meter home, on a 600 square metre property is now fetching close to a million dollars in prime areas and $650-750,000 in average to lower sectors. Rentals are typically $750 per week for an "average nice house" in a good area., Traffic in Auckland can get pretty snarled up in rush hour). The lack of driving skills by a number of overseas visitors/immigrants and the cause of high number of car accidents is becoming a concern (and not limited to Asian visitors/immigrants/tourists either).

Putting it bluntly, your'e going to need to be reasonably well off (translate as "rich" if you like), to be able to afford to live in Auckland ;).

Secondary cities such as Hamilton, Tauranga, Gisborne etc might be more appealing in that respect, with a similar property only a third to a half of that price making it quite affordable. Likewise, rentals for a REALLY nice 4-bedroom house can be had for around the $400-500 per week mark. (Have just sold up in Auckland myself, and am about to move to Tauranga in a few days). Tauranga is the fastest growing city in NZ atm, similar to a mini-Brisbane/Surfers Paradise, with beautiful beaches and a bustling and very mixed community.

Everybody here has the same rights and gay marriage in NZ is legal and respectfully tolerated (apart from the usual anti- groups who are very much in the minority).

Yes, flu vaccines are promoted but not enforced, (unlike Australia's absurd new Laws forcing unfortunate people on a Govt benefit to get vaccinated or lose a large proportion of their income), we're generally "green & organic" oriented, but also remember we're very much in the US & the UK's pocket.

In saying that, our economy is currently doing well and running at about an avg 3%. (5-6% for bank loans).

That and you're never very far from country, forest, beaches or snowy mountains. From top to bottom, you can cover the entire length of NZ in a light airplane in 5-6 hours. A commercial flight to Wellington, our capital city (from Auckland) is only about 40 mins, or a 2.5 hr flight to Sydney.

Climate is pretty good although we're getting our share of storms in the last couple of years. (We are on a faultline and the "ring of fire").

There are no really dangerous animals or insects here (only a relative of the Black Widow which is rarely seen and mostly in the far North - called the Katipo, plus a nasty little spider called the "white back", unfortunately imported from Australia, which love to curl up in your curtains and their bite can make you quite sick, but very rare. Our scariest looking bug is indigenous and known as a Weta, (as in Weta Studios) - you can Google that one :D - they're actually quite harmless unless you upset them, the Giant Weta can grow to the size of a rat.

Overall, a great place to live IMO.

Hope that helps :) - KiwiElf

PS - Most Kiwi's are pretty "onto it" with regard to what's really going on "out there" - we certainly haven't had the "wool pulled over our eyes" - and that's largely the reason why most immigrants have come here in the first place ;)

NZ also forms part of the World Spying Grid ("5-Eyes"), but we know it's there :)))) As far as I know, we have no "enemies" per se, other than "ISIS"/AL"CIA"DA hehehe.

[bearcow]

Thanks ghostrider. Asheville comes up a lot as such a place as you describe and I have a family member that goes there a couple times a year for various types of gatherings. I've never been there personally but I do know they have fluoridated water (found a facebook page in support of ending it) and I know they're getting sprayed, just as I am in Ky. It does meet many of my interests, though.

Thanks The Lawnman. I've heard Joel's talks many times and have enjoyed them. I can't remember if he addresses geoengineering, vaccine legislation, gmo's and organic availability and that kind of stuff, though. I'll have to listen to some of the above again.


I lived in Asheville for a couple of years, if you have money or if you want to enjoy a long weekend it's great. On the other hand, the job market is terrible. There is also a large concentration of Satanists and people practicing black magic there as well. There is a big difference between east(rednecks) and west side (hippies).

[ghostrider]

Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.

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If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me! :)


Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I checked out Mauritius on google earth , WOW what a beautiful Island ... I believe I've found my next place to experience ...

[Camilo]

Check Ecuador!....ask Bill Ryan, he can tell you better as he has been living there since 2011.

[mosquito]

Hi Matt,

My search for a government-free paradise has been ongoing since the late 90s ! We all have different ideas of the kind of freedom we want and the kind of society we want, which is why differing cultures are so important. I've been in China for over 7 years, not because it's a paradise, but because I CAN live and work here legally, I get reasonably well-paid and have far far far more freedoms than I'd have in the UK (whence I hail) or the USA. (BTW - I spent the best part of my first years on this forum attempting to tell brain-washed westerners about this country, and I have now given up, so I'm not remotely interested in discussing it with anybody here.) For me, I don't think there is anywhere left which actually matches all my needs, so I'm just plodding along until my time runs out. I have no plan 'Z' as yet

A couple of things you need to bear in mind; First - The days of being able to walk off a plane, have your passport stamped "indefinite stay" and being given a warm welcome by the local authotities are long over, thanks mainly to the actions of your government in the last 14 years. Many of the countries that people rave about, including Ecuador, won't let you immigrate unless you have the right bits of paper from a university, OR a sum of money to "invest" in a business (frought with difficulties and pitfalls) OR an even larger sum of money to either retire or acquire citizenship. So you need to look carefully at each country, and don't rely too heavily on what someone else (including me) says. Secondly - Bureaucracy notwithstanding - what do you have to offer your new community ? A nurse and carpenter are excellent and necessary jobs, but they aren't exactly scarce. Most countries these days have enough problems providing work for their own citizens and are none too willing to give foreigners jobs which could just as easily be done by locals. Unfortunately, having a kind heart and a nice personality won't get you past the immigration laws of the world. I'm not being negative, there may well be countries which need your particular skills, so you need to do some research. Here's an excellent site .....


http://www.escapeartist.com

Good luck !

[wnlight]

This thread has been an interesting read. I have lived in Cuenca, Ecuador, for three years and have lived in many places in the USA. It seems that Cuenca (at 8,300 feet) fits your list well, with one exception. You may have some trouble with employment. Pay is low here, but so is the cost of living. I do not know how that would even out for you. Most USA expats that need to earn an income will start their own business. They put fluoride in the table salt, but you can buy pure salt from the coast. Ecuador is a socialist state and is hated by the USA government, but I have never experienced (or read of) any problems with personal freedom.

Wherever you might move outside the USA police state, please bear in mind that the USA government treats expats like criminals. They think you are hiding something. Look up FATCA. The USA IRS double-taxes expat income. Banks in some of the countries mentioned in this thread will not open accounts for USA citizens because of the risk of mistakes and consequential USA reprisals. Also, you cannot hide from the all-seeing-eye. The NSA monitors everyone, everywhere.

Your List:
no fluoride in the water - Check
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it - Check
no forced vaccines - Check
no atmospheric spraying - Check
a community, state or country of liberty lovers - Check (The last three presidents of Ecuador where literally run out of town by the people.)
No police state - Check
no gmo crops allowed - Check
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana - Check (This is new here)
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment - Questionable, but may meet your needs.

[daddy fishwick]

New Zealand is a good option, plenty of work for both of your skill bases, incredibly beautiful and friendly, I live on an organic farm and we have borehole water and all our food is organic.You definitely get more bang for the buck here.

Marijouana is frowned upon, and almost all work places test for it before employment is offered. Having said that it is everywhere here and many have found a way around drug testing.

GM crops are here, mainly maize.

There are no forced vaccines, (yet)

The government here seem to suck up to nations such as U.S.A, U.K etc.

You can keep two citizenships here, I'm a U.K citizen and N.Z citizen.

Definitely an option....Daddy out...

[Tangri]

"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

[Guish]

Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I remember your proposition friend, sorry to hear that corruption exists there too. I guess it does in many places, more or less.
I don't touch any substances myself, but for medical reasons I would prefer them to be legal. No tornadoes and earthquakes there? :)

No Tornado or Earthquake. Occasionally, we have cyclones but most of the houses are concrete and there are few damages done. We grow our own vegetables. Hence, there is a shortage of vegetables for a few weeks when cyclones hit.

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Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.

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If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me! :)


Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I checked out Mauritius on google earth , WOW what a beautiful Island ... I believe I've found my next place to experience ...

Give me a call when you land.

[guyres]

Reunion Island, 40% protected natural park, natural friendliness of the people, World Heritage of Unesco...

[Guish]

Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.[COLOR="red"]
Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

Wow, I did google it and I'm impressed and a little wiser now. Thanks. What a beautiful nation and all the inhabitants speak english and french, which would make employment easier. I also had a look at the wiki page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius ) and it mentioned Mauritius was a luxury resort location. Makes me wonder what the cost of living is there and how difficult it is for foreigners to relocate.

I was surprised to see this is the chain of islands where the US military base Diego Garcia is located. Oh my! I wonder how it is living so close to such a base and what one might happen to see. I wonder, too, if the military folks visit the other islands frequently.

Thanks

Matt

Matt,

I have an American friend who married a Mauritian 10 years ago. She chose to stay here because it was safer for the kids and she said that the environment was appropriate for raising kids. It's a developing country where Education is considered to be very important. In fact, Education and health care are free for the people here. Even if Tourism is a main sector, the cost of living is reasonable if one goes away from the hotels. Rich foreigners come here for the hotels and the nature while there are a few who come here to live in isolation and buy a house in a peaceful area. Most of my Friends who settled here ended by Marrying Mauritians and they got their PR after 4 years.

I already got a few requests about the cost of living because of this thread. I'll try to clarify a bit.

1.00 USD = 35.1250 MUR

Here is a good link about the cost of living. Nevertheless, the prices for renting of houses is a bit overestimated. One could get a house to rent in the rural regions at Rs 5000-Rs 8000 a month. I guess someone would like to settle here to live in the villages and not the busy city.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Mauritius

I received a request about PR in the island. Here is a good link.

http://www.cleverdodo.mu/mauritian-citizenship/44


Cheers,

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Reunion Island, 40% protected natural park, natural friendliness of the people, World Heritage of Unesco...


That's just next door.

[Matt P]

"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

Hilarious! Maybe they've got some condos for rent in the underground base there! Hard time growing a garden though. You'd need a nice hydroponic system with grow lights. For the vegetables! ;)

[Jimswitz]

Nice thread.
Funnily enough,Switzerland ticks many of your boxes,most notably fluoride free water. I suspect we have chemtrails,however.
As for vaccinations....the choice is ours.We were put under no pressure officially with our kids,though individual doctors can be a bit stroppy.You just have to be sure of what you want.

[Flash]

"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

Hilarious! Maybe they've got some condos for rent in the underground base there! Hard time growing a garden though. You'd need a nice hydroponic system with grow lights. For the vegetables! ;)

Or Montréal:
no fluoride in the water 0 true, believe it or not, no fluoride water - but quite polluted water
lots lots of jobs for nurses
none, none none jobs for carpenters
lots of chemtrails
lots of potholes
you can grow your own non gmo garden in public gardens and have your veges stolen just before they are ripe
no police around when needed
no forced vaccination .... yet
you can collect your own chemtrailed water
no gmo labels, so ... no gmo
and weed is on the track to being decriminalised (give it a few years until Harper get his friends to have the permit to grow weed and his investments insured)

[Lifebringer]

That's what we global anti-pollutionist were facing in the 70's until WE STOPPED IT. WE must stop it again. Damn the retarded stubborn science deniers, and stop the weather controllers put them up for crimes against humanity spraying toxins in the air that down the line will cause cancers.

Charge them with harm to the public, and lock them up for it. They have a choice, we need a choice also. If they fill the world with chemtrails, where do we go? There isn't another planet or enough money to get there safely so they simply must be stopped. Fired, taken down from positions that harm the public on public committees if they are polluters.

[ulli]

Costa Rica has no chemtrails,
No fluoride in the water, yet they put it in the salt, even the imported sea salt.
I buy my salt in Barbados when I go there. Those bags always get pierced by customs, haha.

Climate varies a lot, and it can be quite cool at the higher altitudes while really hot at sea level.
There is an English language Yahoo group called CostaRicaLiving where one can get lots of info on how to adapt to life here.

Visas last three months, and ex-pats who live here must leave the country for 72 hours.
They go to Panama or Nicaragua, and those border towns do good business because of the number of 72 hour people passing through.

Quite a few work online. One friend was making over $3000 a month transcribing medical audio tapes for surgeons.
Got paid by the number of words she typed.
Another works as an accountant for a NY company, and she doesn't even drive into the local village for her shopping as she can easily afford to pay a driver/housekeeper.
Not too sure about GMOs. Probably depends where they get their seeds.
Marihuana is illegal, still, but the pressure to legalize is on.
Also would be easy to grow your own if you own a patch of land.
I came here over twenty years ago and having lived in four countries and traveled to 27
I would not want to go and live anywhere else again.
Perfect air here at 3000 feet altitude which has been blown over 800 miles of rain forest,
by a mountain river and one hours drive from the capital San Jose,
on asphalt roads.
I was already conscious of earth changes back in 1980, and this life style came about gradually,
knowing that remaining in our current civilization was going to be a horrible ride.
To look for an alternative life style means to set everything in motion as soon as possible,
and just move forward.
The doors will start opening.

[Lifebringer]

I'm sorry, my fat fingers clicked too close on the side of thanks and put a report on you, I hope they read this and take it down. It was an honest error on my part. I wanted to thank you for the Canadian update. I'm in the same boat, only I'd have to go to a "minority country" it seems or be a target when shtf. Yeshua, I hope those heavenly helpers, remember me.

[Lifebringer]

And canisters of pollen from male and female plants, if they kill all the bees on us.

[Lifebringer]

Hmm.. as long as there is direct deposit and swipe card system in place, even a senior in America on fixed income, could live healthy. I hope there are high mountains. Africa seems to be the only continent that survives global flooding, Everest and other highlands probably helped mankind to live/survive.

[Roisin]

The best place to live is where family and long time friends are. You can't maintain meaningful relationships with them long distance; something is always "lost" when trying to do that. Ones environment is what one makes of it because for the most part, no matter where one lives, one can always appreciate its beauty and vibrancy if one chooses to look for it. Nature is everywhere... even if it's just a little brook running in ones backyard but the bottom line is, we are here to establish and maintain relationships with others on an intimate and meaningful level. The fruits of our efforts in this area reflect who and what we are. Sitting on a mountain and gazing over the world from afar is not intimacy.... it's just gazing. lol

[Matt P]

I should clarify a couple things...
I love where I currently live and am not actively trying to relocate right now. I am among family and friends. Buuuuut, I have lived and had incredible experiences in other countries and the thought of packing up my family and beginning a new adventure does not scare me at all. My wife and I talk about it often, not because we want to run but because we remember how much fun it is and we'd like our kids to get a taste. But I have to be honest with what I see with my country and no matter how many friends and family I have here, if the police state becomes complete and they begin mandatory vaccine injections and other such tyrannical actions I...am...outta...here. No way is anyone messing with my kids. My mother-in-law travels to Ecuador and Costa Rica and other countries looking for the type of place I started this thread about. Matter of fact, she put a deposit down on a great little farm in Ecuador last year (for all of us to potentially move to) but then pulled out at the last minute. We are just collecting as much information as we can about where to go if we must. We have all our passports in order. Does that mean I want to leave? No, not really. We have a great life here. Work is great. Schools are great for the kids. I've got a local food co-op right down the street, etc. But I'd leave it in a second if I can't collect and filter my own water, grow my own organic food, have the right not to inject poison into my kids and not be considered a terrorist just because I am aware and informed. So, I'm happy but I'm aware enough to see that "they" are encroaching on my ability to maintain my happiness (atmospheric spraying plays big here).

As for my list, I wish I had spent more time on it. And the marijuana inclusion was more a way to gauge a country or state's tolerance for victimless activities than a wish to be able to toke in public. I do smoke but I can do that anywhere, regardless of silly laws. ;)

There's been some great suggestions already on here and I am grateful. I have been and will continue to explore your ideas. Please keep 'em coming.

Matt

[Philaletheian]

now might not be the best time, given the recent quakes happening in Nepal(bless those souls), but if you decide to embark on a spiritual journey, and don't mind subzero temperatures then come down to the Himalayas in Nepal or Tibet, the baba's or any highly spiritual Shiva worshiping servant, is free to smoke pot and carry it around(you should see the entire North India during Kumbh-Mela totally up in smoke, all legally of course) but like i said only a spiritual quest, as materialism is an art you cannot practice around here.. also my friend keeps telling me about certain places in Addis Ababa, rumors of course none legit.

[gripreaper]

Maybe a "little twist" of logic here would fit in this thread? I've been looking into for years, the possibility of living as an American National rather than an indentured statutory citizen right here in the USofA. It's a pretty deep rabbit hole, and it required me to back engineer the entire history of this country to determine how we got this way, and how we might get back to the original organic Articles of Confederation and individual sovereignty.

The idea, is that those who accept the benefits and privileges of citizenship are therefore required to follow all of the mandates of being a citizen, which as you have indicated, are becoming more and more encroaching as the days go by. To me, the idea of a cashless society, where every move we make is sanctioned, monitored, and mandatory, signals the last vestiges of what illusion of freedom we might still have. The idea of being forced to inject poison into my body via mandatory vaccine, as well as ruining our water, air and food for the sake of population reduction, and mandatory "death" care, licenses, fees, and registrations, really is getting under my skin.

The idea of stepping out of this system, declaring my sovereignty, coming forward as alive, not accepting or using any of the alleged benefits and privileges, and not being subject to the statutory rules and regulations, and being able to hold allodial title to myself and the land I choose to live on, makes sense and has merit. It has caveats of course, as the whole system of commerce is under the Federal Reserve fiat debt structure and it is almost impossible to function outside of this system. They make it pretty hard to step out and leave the plantation. As Russell Means (RIP) was famous as saying, "Welcome to the Reservation". As brother Jonas would say, we are all niggers now.

I'm inclined to stay put and keeping an eye on those who are in the trenches and working on getting out of the system, and help to educate those who are willing as to how we lost our freedoms, and how we might stand together and open up a new paradigm and a new age, not the New World Order one that is being laid out for us, but one of sovereignty and freedom.

Most still do not want freedom and like the slave/master relationship. Remember, the G20 nations are all bankrupt and subject to the global fiat system, have long since sold their birthright and taken on the debt. The BRICSA alliance that is touted as the answer against the neocon Zionist fascist imperialistic Kazarian mafia system is, in my opinion, the counter dialectic to the New World Order and will be trumpeted as the answer at some point, although it is not any different that the current system and will still be a debt system, only a fully digital surveillance one.

Last I checked, there were only four small countries that fell outside this system, and you can guess which ones they are, because they are the ones under pressure by the military industrial complex to come into the fold, or else we will bomb you. It happened in Libya. I would agree there are countries which this system does not have their tentacles quite as deep, but make no mistake, their banksters are all cut from the same cloth and imperialism of resources, both natural and human, goes on unabated in these countries as well. The globalists see the planet as one big appendage to their grandiosity and do NOT see national boundaries at all. Those are just for us to get the illusion that there is choice, there isn't.

I will continue to post any breakthroughs that I see in regards to how to get out of the indentured system. I hope mankind chooses freedom and sovereignty over slavery and indentured servitude, I really do. Right now he is very much a slave and barely realizes it. I don't think it makes any difference where you are on the planet, consciousness needs to shift and people need to want freedom. Forced vaccinations and a cashless society just might be the catalyst.

If people don't want freedom and sovereignty, I might just be right there with ya Matt.

[Michael Moewes]

I'd say Venus, Mars or Andromeda.
But I don't know.
For me it's Spain especially the north, in the mountains.
Live healthy, Live Vegan

[EvoAwa]

Everywhere on this face of the planet Earth has the potential to become a paradise, a home for spiritual growth and learning.
Right now, we have to make the most of it and learn to adapt. And make anywhere and everywhere our potential home regardless of our race, gender, spirituality, job, etc. In the near future or far future, I think planet Earth will become the place we all envisioned to be.

[3(C)+me]

If I had kids underfoot I would most probably be thinking of leaving the US, not just forced vaccinations but the schools, all the violence and what to feed your kids that will not slowly kill them. I think it would be very scary to be a young mother/father and know what is going on and what the big picture is. I think Iceland would be a good choice if one does not mine the cold. They threw out all the banksters and went their own way and the reason the MSM says not a word about Iceland it they don't want to rest us to know you can throw out the bastards and start again. US is going to have some very dark and scary years ahead of it no doubt.

[mahalall]

A lot of enlightened minds are descending on Abu Dhabi:UAE. Learn to meditate and your see the emerati as a surprise jewel😏

[Morbid]

good thread. many great ideas here. id like to contribute by promoting russia for a bit. i know most of you here can see through the propaganda, but still some are quite unaware in regards to what russia is all about. lots of generalisation and years of discreditation has made a quite negative image in the eyes of westerners. i would just place few facts here for you to consider.
the way russia been rebuilt from the ruins of soviet rule is rather impressive. 90s were horrible with many people escaping corruption and powerty. but now many are ether returning or planning to return including myself. the prospects for future are very high as the leadership is cleansing itself from zionist rule. soon the central bank would become state controlled, at that point economy would thrive.
russians love foreigners. especially from the west as they view them as those who managed to escape the capitalism and materialistic lifestyle.
taking into account that russia is very diverse and multinational state with all religions given full freedoms, there are still quite few americans there. being russian is not a national identity. being russian means you're part of the tribe so to speak.. im not russian at all for example, but being born there dont make any less russian than anyone else - cool concept. like america in the way.
finding a job would be no problem as any businessman would be proud to employ a westerner. you will definately have respect. there would be problems with the language but its picking up and young generation is ok with english especially in moscow.
seasons are really distinct there especially in the summer. winters are not as cold anymore due to global warming.
most people own out of town cottages where they escape city buzz and grow own fruits/vegetables or just chilling with friends.
education is really good there and is above western standards. its one of the few things that is still strong after soviet system. sports are strong too and almost free for children. state of the art sport facilities all over the place.
despite what most believe citizens in russia exercise a lot of freedoms. i would go as far to say that common scense is dominantly in use there unlike in most western countries where laws are on borderline with total absurd.
food is very good especially during seasons. supermarkets there too but most still prefer markets as the difference in quality is substantial. cheaper too.
property is cheap. except moscow which is considered as another country.
low taxes and government now encouraging businesses to startup with 2 years tax free.
cannabis are still viewed as drugs but its conservative view which wouldnt stay for much longer. alot of people smoke and grow as most have plots of land.
healthcare is very good, fast and cheap. another soviet perk. you can literally walk into polyclinic, do all sort of tests and see the doctor with results on the table next morning. pay little money and you get even better service.
roads are good in and around moscow. outside moscow they are getting better. big country...
crime used to be real bad and most still remember it. now its been dealt with and citizens sometimes take action to participate - quite funny actually.
regarding spraying - i dont know but im sure the government wouldn't allow it as its in their interest for public to be healthy. this might sound bizarre but its how people feel there.
last but not least is the fact that people in any position are willing to sympathize with you. if you open up, they can go extra mile to help. hard to grasp sometimes but once understood living in russia becomes like being a fish in the sea.

[The Lawnman]

I believe the major pathos of his experience [Joel Skousen] is that no matter where one lives, there are always benefits v. risks associated with the place. One may eliminate some of the concerns you've mentioned only to be exposed to others not mentioned. So, pick your battles wisely. Perhaps the known threats living in one place are not as bad as the unknown ones encountered living elsewhere on the globe.

For example, I remember watching a short documentary called "180º South (http://www.amazon.com/180-South-Chris-Malloy/dp/B003QF6XLG)" where Jeff Johnson retraces the epic 1968 journey of his heroes Yvon Choulnard and Doug Tompkins to Patagonia. Patagonia being about as far south as one can get with beautiful landscapes and scenery and yet, the indigenous people are still having to deal with the invasive predatory actions of their Governments exploiting their natural resources by selling them to global Corporations for profit regardless of who suffers or is adversely affected in the meantime. This trend is happening all over the world, i.e. Dafar, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea; causing the indigenous people to leave places they've lived for generations.

While I am well aware of the issues you mention in the UNITED STATES, I have chosen to live an alternative lifestyle that seeks to mitigate many of these threats as much as possible. I believe there are a lot of things one can do within the continental united States to achieve this goal. But it takes research, commitment and resolve to do it and even then its not perfect. Moreover, after all I've read and experienced in life, I've come to the conclusion there are no guarantees and regardless of where one lives there are going to be issues that have to be addressed. The good news is, there are always good alternatives and viable options for those that seek them out.

[Matt P]

The thread looks to have run it's course but I came across something interesting today and I wanted to save it here for future reference.
A new country has been created, that claims it is what I am looking for.
A most interesting development...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/a-new-libertarian-country-in-europe/

https://liberland.org/en/about/

Matt

[Ikarusion]

good luck getting in there though. i read many people have applied already or stated their interest and its just too small of a place to fit in everyone whod like to live there.

me personally, id probably choose some place in south america or asia. many places there seem to fulfill your requirements, except the drug laws though.

[Omni]

Oregon is my favorite in America, not everything on your list... Cannabis legal here in July :). Portland Oregon is a very nice city in my view. First and maybe only city to reject the war on terror.

[3(C)+me]

The thread looks to have run it's course but I came across something interesting today and I wanted to save it here for future reference.
A new country has been created, that claims it is what I am looking for.
A most interesting development...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/a-new-libertarian-country-in-europe/

https://liberland.org/en/about/

Matt

Wow, how interesting. I might apply just to see if I could get in and then, well I just might go.

[Ikarusion]

Oregon is my favorite in America.
this was actually my first choice when thinking of a us state to reallocate to.

[Robin]

Brother, I know the feeling. How unfair is it that somebody who is born in a place and dislikes the place they are born in, cannot just get up and leave? I was born in the U.S. but I did not choose to live here. I am not responsible for the mess this country is in. How ridiculous it is that we do not have the capability of moving to some place on this planet that is not part of a government-controlled system? Every part of this planet is owned by the Global Parasites, and it sucks. Mars would not be far enough to run from them and their control, to be honest.

Well, I guess I could move to Antarctica and hang out with the penguins. I could have an underground facility with Free Energy, which would take care of just about everything. ;)

Anyway, though I am young, I have done my share of trying different things and living in different places. I have lived in Chicago most of my life, which was just listed as the most corrupt city in the U.S. for like the tenth year in a row. I know what it is like to live in a big city where everybody is incredibly dumbed down and surveilled. I also know what it's like to live in one of the most rural places in the U.S. I lived on an organic farm/intentional community far far away from any urban area where we grew all of our own food.

And you know what I learned? I learned that no matter where you live, if you cannot find people to relate to who are on your wavelength, then you may not be as happy as you would have hoped. Even though I lived on an organic farm far away from the Police State, I still did not find happiness. Though the people there were very nice and eco-friendly, they were still oblivious to what was happening to the world, and talking to them was just as boring as the average person who lives in a city. So I left.

I have realized that I would rather live with my girlfriend deep in the Police State in a large city with a possible small network of aware folks than I would in the mountains of Ecuador around people I cannot relate to at all. Humans are social creatures, and it is natural for us to be around other humans who make us happy. So my advice would be to go wherever you can find people to relate to. At least you have a family who is on your wavelength, so you'll never feel alone.

Wherever I end up digging my feet into, I'm going to do whatever i can to connect with people of like mind. If it gets to the point where the government instills mandatory RFID chip implants and vaccines, let's just say that I am not leaving this world without a bloody fight. ;)