It's no wonder evil people still rule the world

[aranuk]

Maybe it's just the way I'm feeling tonight. Anyway here are my thoughts.

If God is all forgiving and he forgives evil people for their evil actions this creates a big question for me. If I behave in this world according to my conscience of what is right and what is wrong, then I am operating in this world with more restrictions than an evil person who has no conscience. The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants. If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done? Dr Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and others tell us that we good people who think and feel nice feelings are the healthiest. How come these evil bastards like Kissinger, Bush, The Queen mother, the Queen the list goes on, live to a great age with health. Maybe the evil ones do what they do not because they don't believe in the existence of a creator but that they do believe in a creator who is all forgiving.
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

[Wind]

Ultimately nobody can escape the consequence of their actions.

[aranuk]

Ultimately nobody can escape the consequence of their actions.

And you know that as a fact? I used to think the same because I was told that by a spiritual master. That doesn't mean it is true. That is what I know now.

Stan

[truthseekerdan]

God is ALL That IS
This is how IT plays this game...

rQRf0r-EjkM

[mosquito]

I hear you Stan.

This is something which has plagued me for most of my life, and has come to my attention even more so recently. It seems to me that the people who suffer in this world are the innocents and people with a conscience, people who try to live well and be kind to others. Yet the bastards just reap the benefits and the glory and continually get away with their deeds.

I don't have an answer, I think you're right - they rule the world because they have no qualms about playoing the game to their own advantage.

[aranuk]

I was there as you are now Truthseeker dan. I now think for myself. What do you know? Bashar says many things.


Stan

[Tangri]

Maybe it's just the way I'm feeling tonight. Anyway here are my thoughts.

If God is all forgiving and he forgives evil people for their evil actions this creates a big question for me. If I behave in this world according to my conscience of what is right and what is wrong, then I am operating in this world with more restrictions than an evil person who has no conscience. The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants. If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done? Dr Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and others tell us that we good people who think and feel nice feelings are the healthiest. How come these evil bastards like Kissinger, Bush, The Queen mother, the Queen the list goes on, live to a great age with health. Maybe the evil ones do what they do not because they don't believe in the existence of a creator but that they do believe in a creator who is all forgiving.
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

Maybe your perception comes with Rabbinic views, "turn the other chick if someone hit you" ,
This is slave masters' teachings for slaves' riots, uprisings.

"There is a singularity at the end and everybody is going to be equal"
It is their salvation hope and false promise for their followers.

Chooses are yours if you like to kill an infant, you can kill, if you want to steal something, which is not belong to you, you steal, but paths(your chooses) makes you, not your DNAs. ( you should remember this" humans are not killers before learning why and how they can do it)

It is not every-beings in Terra are the same and there is no singularity for every creature. You will chose which polarity is going to be your destination.
Hope my summary doesn't need spell check:Angel:

[aranuk]

I hear you Stan.

This is something which has plagued me for most of my life, and has come to my attention even more so recently. It seems to me that the people who suffer in this world are the innocents and people with a conscience, people who try to live well and be kind to others. Yet the bastards just reap the benefits and the glory and continually get away with their deeds.

I don't have an answer, I think you're right - they rule the world because they have no qualms about playoing the game to their own advantage.

Hi Mosquito I agree with all you say. It's what I think too. I have been truthful all my life and treated people fairly. I have loved my wife and family and friends and I can count all my real friends on one hand. I think I am lucky. Billionares who are evil don't need real friends they make do with servants wherever they go.

Stan

[aranuk]

Maybe it's just the way I'm feeling tonight. Anyway here are my thoughts.

If God is all forgiving and he forgives evil people for their evil actions this creates a big question for me. If I behave in this world according to my conscience of what is right and what is wrong, then I am operating in this world with more restrictions than an evil person who has no conscience. The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants. If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done? Dr Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and others tell us that we good people who think and feel nice feelings are the healthiest. How come these evil bastards like Kissinger, Bush, The Queen mother, the Queen the list goes on, live to a great age with health. Maybe the evil ones do what they do not because they don't believe in the existence of a creator but that they do believe in a creator who is all forgiving.
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

Maybe your perception comes with Rabbinic views, "turn the other chick if someone hit you" ,
This is slave masters' teachings for slaves' riots, uprisings.

"There is a singularity at the end and everybody is going to be equal"
It is their salvation hope and false promise for their followers.

Chooses are yours if you like to kill an infant, you can kill, if you want to steal something, which is not belong to you, you steal, but paths(your chooses) makes you, not your DNAs. ( you should remember this" humans are not killers before learning why and how they can do it)

It is not every-beings in Terra are not same and there is no singularity for every creature. You will chose which polarity is going to be your destination.
Hope my summary doesn't need spell check:Angel:

Tangri my perceptions don't come from rabbinic views, they are mine alone.

Stan

[truthseekerdan]

I was there as you are now Truthseeker dan. I now think for myself. What do you know? Bashar says many things.


Stan

The one that thinks for itself is not the Real You (One)

Much love and wisdom

[Tangri]

If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

Maybe your perception comes with Rabbinic views, "turn the other chick if someone hit you" ,
This is slave masters' teachings for slaves' riots, uprisings.
:

Tangri my perceptions don't come from rabbinic views, they are mine alone.

Stan

But you feel(think) you are restricted by your conscience,( you are not, really). you restricted by teachings. You learn them and chose them don't expect any carrot at the end. Go for your neighbor's field and have more carrots now if you can.

[aranuk]

I said "IF I am restricted by my conscience." Your quote of mine is on your top line. I did not say I was.

Stan

[truthseekerdan]

The pain, suffering and difficulty we experience on a daily basis would be a lot easier if we were consistently connected with the higher consciousness, and in my opinion, we’ll continue to struggle until we can repeatedly call on this inner source of strength, knowledge and inspiration.

We have to break through the mind control that’s been forced onto us if we want to maintain our connection with the Self, which is why it’s so important to stay receptive to this higher consciousness while remembering to persevere when we struggle instead of sinking into depression or convincing ourselves we don’t belong here.

We have every reason to be joyful about our existence on this planet, because we have an opportunity to contribute to the greatest planetary changes we’ve ever known as a society. Most people are unaware of the changes that are in the air, and this makes our work even more important.

I can say from experience that we’re going to have bad days. We’re going to have days when we just don’t feel like we can do the things we’ve come here to do, and sitting down in front of the TV or playing a video game will sound much more appealing.

For our sake and the sake of our evolving planet, we have to find the strength to say no to these distracting temptations and continue to fulfill our mission. The more we distract ourselves, the more we fail to achieve in our shrinking time here on earth, so let’s remember how crucial this mission is and try to persevere, even in our most difficult times.

Our creative and spiritual dedication will allow us to achieve more than we currently realize, so we’ll have to have faith that we aren’t working for nothing and that we really are moving toward the goal of individual and collective evolution.

[Tangri]

Do not chose your acts for future investments or punishments, chose them if they are suits YOU.

At the end you are what you are.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I said "IF I am restricted by my conscience." Your quote of mine is on your top line. I did not say I was.

Stan

I did not say you were. I said ; you feel(think) that way. :croc:

[aranuk]

Mosquito is the only person here to respond to what I said in my OP. Tangri please don't turn this topic into a you said I said semantic waste of time. Either respond to what my views were or leave it and go elsewhere for your semantic excercise.

Stan

PS I am off to beddie byes now.

[Wind]

And you know that as a fact? I used to think the same because I was told that by a spiritual master. That doesn't mean it is true. That is what I know now.

Intuitively, yes. Although it doesn't matter if we believe it or not, universe is as universe does and it is always just. I try to follow the age old golden rule.

[johnh]

Bashar needs a large cup of "shut the f**k up." (old military expression). Some one should tell him that the Truth/truth does not justify anything, the cosmic truths cannot be known while in a human body, anyway. There is a yardstick for the blind and that is the eight virtues, which the universe ever so slowly responds to at a planetary level and beyond. BTW, all of creation is female, which is immeasurable, and the infinite potential to create is male, which cannot be known and has no existence.

Evil rules the world for one reason only - we allow it. We are apathetic, lazy, comfort oriented and afraid of death. Humanity has given permission incrementally for the condition we now live in. Over the millennia, we were duped, deceived, tricked and lied to, our DNA tampered with. But after we realized it and even before each step downward, we just shrugged our shoulders. They were too big, too strong, to persuasive, or there would be something shinny at the end.

Silence implies consent.

Love is not enough. There needs to be wisdom and power, also. There is anger, there is rage, then there is wrath.

I personally don't believe that Jesus said to turn the other cheek. Some one stuck that in there to control the slaves. Seems to me he said that he had come to bring a sword.

Is forgiveness really appropriate with a jackboot in your face while your wife is being raped and your children impaled on broken glass and bayonets? When dark storm clouds gather what prophecy do you need about rain?

"Who would be sheriff in a town littered with meat where the watchman is a vulture." J.M. Rumi with regards to the ego and the world condition.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hi Aranuk, when I feel the rage like this (at the NWO),
sometimes I think of that Bible verse from the Beatitudes,

"The meek shall inherit the earth"

it's not gonna be my family either, inheriting :( lol

p.s. it brings one back to the Native concept of borrowing rather than ownership.
i.e. the idea that when the Corrupt System comes crashing down, a new line of stewards will rise up (Hopefully) and just be people..
subsisting and maybe building if there's enough free time. But otherwise just enjoying earth not destroying it.

the so called "christian leaders" of our world, more like greek warlords. :(
i think maybe a lot of the religious people in the mil have bought into something other than home grown religion in other words.

There really aren't too many examples of perfect people, though, from the humblest Quaker to the devoutest Yazidi there are faults :)

[AriG]

Maybe this existence is just a proving ground for rewards after the game has ended. Perhaps not. This "god" that has been created as the great panacea for the masses? Probably just a tool. Maybe not. The great conundrum is that we won't know whether a life of virtue versus a life of sin is rewarded until we leave this "life". I can only guess that we should follow our instinct and live our lives accordingly. Pick your poison, choose your side. Roll the dice. If you feel that you have a choice between good and evil, the chances might be that you are evil, given that you can conceptualize the difference and compartmentalize the outcome.

My father lead an evil path. He passed away today. I wonder where he might be now. That's the thing about playing this game. You don't get to know who wins until you are out of the game.

[Tesseract]

The 'evil' ones you talk about are not evil to each other, in fact they really do a fine job of looking after one another, the casual observer is almost charmed by it. I guess there has to be some kind of sustaining mechanism. They choose their enemies, who they want to exploit and oppress. So why not adopt the same attitude and unleash unto them what they inflict on the rest of us? You can still be good to everyone else. There surely is no God who forgives or punishes, those are the concepts of flesh and blood. I do not believe there is even a judgement after death, forgiveness implies some kind of judgment that something needs to be forgiven. I find the idea of judgement extending beyond the plane of our mortal existence to be rather repulsive, not to mention simplistic. As bits of matter bouncing from one stimulus to another we live in a circumstancial universe, for their to be a judgment afterwards certainly would be a most wicked and unfair trick.

[rgray222]

Maybe it's just the way I'm feeling tonight. Anyway here are my thoughts.

If God is all forgiving and he forgives evil people for their evil actions this creates a big question for me. If I behave in this world according to my conscience of what is right and what is wrong, then I am operating in this world with more restrictions than an evil person who has no conscience. The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants. If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done? Dr Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and others tell us that we good people who think and feel nice feelings are the healthiest. How come these evil bastards like Kissinger, Bush, The Queen mother, the Queen the list goes on, live to a great age with health. Maybe the evil ones do what they do not because they don't believe in the existence of a creator but that they do believe in a creator who is all forgiving.
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

A couple of things spring to mind when I read your post.
1. You are thinking one dimensional and the universe is multidimensional, this does not mean there is reward or punishment elsewhere, but it does mean that there is a balance in the universe which must be achieved. There is no escaping this part of our existence no matter who you are or what you do in this particular life.
2. Thinking about or processing behavior that you dislike, disagree with or even loathe serves no real purpose. Living a quality life does not mean that you must forego power or money. Those are admirable things to have and they are even admirable goals to set. It is what you do with them once you have achieved them. There are many good people out there that are in control. They intentionally keep a low profile and avoid most media coverage at all cost. The media is the largest and most successful prostitute of our time. If you believe the nonsense they put out to the pubic than you would think that the world is on an imminent path to financial, social, moral and physical destruction. This is simply not true, just the opposite is true.
3. Living to a great age is not necessarily a good thing.
4. What can you do? Each of us can only answer that question for ourselves. For me it is not to think or worry about those in power, it is necessary to be aware but not in a way that upsets the balance in my life.

[Sunny-side-up]

just a quick comment before I go back and read all the replies to this very important post, thx aranuk /stan.

First of all I do not truly believe we are instantly forgiven of bad acts and life styles, we, our character is changed and so we carry those experiences forwards/back (Your Playing it Forwards) when we leave the meat suit down here!

Do not forget that many of us here do believe in the dark entities/forces demons/djinns etc which by association cause big problems for our soul or at-least we by association give them energy's, so at that level of thinking maybe we go on with a clear slate but we by using darker actions while in life create bigger problems for Earth and life by giving energy/life to the dark ones!

Maybe then you need to come back to take back your given energy's and so clean your slate!

either way don't think by associating with the dark forces you do not have consequences to deal with at some point!

It's you giving Energies that you need to came back and take back,
so your not as it where being forgiven of bad acts when you move over, you are not hole and your energies are still on Earth but doing bad!

It's all about experience down here and helping each other unless your a psychopath, In which case your not a human as i see them. Humans need emotions to be human, Humane!

That is the way I see/feel it to be


mosquito

I hear you Stan.

This is something which has plagued me for most of my life, and has come to my attention even more so recently. It seems to me that the people who suffer in this world are the innocents and people with a conscience, people who try to live well and be kind to others. Yet the bastards just reap the benefits and the glory and continually get away with their deeds.

I don't have an answer, I think you're right - they rule the world because they have no qualms about playoing the game to their own advantage.

hi mosquito just one point for you but not just for you:

The word 'Bastards' as used by you in this context is in effect a word/part of the vocabulary of the dark-forces.
so if you trying to be good on this Earth, in this life well then, using these thoughts, words and so attachment of energy's (In this case DARK) you give to them/dark-forces. They probable have a real good laugh and go yummy! :faint2:

So we have to be very careful/mindful and own all our actions/energies while here
:wizard:

A good matrial arts teaches you how to defend your self, not to be a weapon of darkness

So restrain the Dark Doers but not with dark energies and thoughts, just clean defense, put them in prisons, but not prisons with pain infliction, just restraint!

[transiten]

I believe in reincarnation and 3D Earth existence being a school and "God/Higher self" are disincarnate souls that have "learned the lesson of Universal law" to a higher extent and that you might be able to connect with.

You choose yourself between lives together with your guides the experiences to go through while reincarnating.

There is no "God" punishing you since "God/Everything there is" is not separate from you. Polarity exists as to experience light and darkness, good and evil.

The "evil ones" are there as a mirroring of the state of the consciousness of the collective. Make conscious and change within yourself what evil you see in the mirror.

There is no Earthling without some "darkness" in their heart and who has not hurt this creation in some way...I can't prove anything...this is just my 2 cents...

[Lifebringer]

Actually there is. You move forward and the do karma and redo, "if" they are forgiven. In the book of Enoch, they were told they would not be forgiven and that's why they don't care how much they harm. It's the old: "If I can't have 'em, nobody will" crash and burn thinking.

[Carmody]

Bashar needs a large cup of "shut the f**k up." (old military expression). Some one should tell him that the Truth/truth does not justify anything, the cosmic truths cannot be known while in a human body, anyway. There is a yardstick for the blind and that is the eight virtues, which the universe ever so slowly responds to at a planetary level and beyond. BTW, all of creation is female, which is immeasurable, and the infinite potential to create is male, which cannot be known and has no existence.

Evil rules the world for one reason only - we allow it. We are apathetic, lazy, comfort oriented and afraid of death. Humanity has given permission incrementally for the condition we now live in. Over the millennia, we were duped, deceived, tricked and lied to, our DNA tampered with. But after we realized it and even before each step downward, we just shrugged our shoulders. They were too big, too strong, to persuasive, or there would be something shinny at the end.

Silence implies consent.

Love is not enough. There needs to be wisdom and power, also. There is anger, there is rage, then there is wrath.

I personally don't believe that Jesus said to turn the other cheek. Some one stuck that in there to control the slaves. Seems to me he said that he had come to bring a sword.

Is forgiveness really appropriate with a jackboot in your face while your wife is being raped and your children impaled on broken glass and bayonets? When dark storm clouds gather what prophecy do you need about rain?

"Who would be sheriff in a town littered with meat where the watchman is a vulture." J.M. Rumi with regards to the ego and the world condition.

When hypnotism breaks the barrier of the unconscious lock on higher centers of thought and capacity, this tells you that that the barrier is very weak indeed.

If hypnotism can be use to make most people stop bad habits or stop smoking or whatnot, then it is simply a case of meditation, or self hypnosis.

The other 'truth' that emerges is that our lives are most likely artificially shortened.

That we are still in the stages of physical and mental childhood. that our genetic processes have been tampered with.

That, after a certain point in development, the training wheels of autonomous behavior and hindbrain ruled though processes.... come off. They literally fall away. That the brain continues growing.

Which, if we understand the aspects of meditation and kundalini meditation, we find that the physical aspects of neurology are most definitely plastic and that the brain is mutable. That we literally can go beyond being controlled by autonomous or instinctual processes.

That the ego is artifice. That the internal voice is artifice, it is artificial. It is temporary, it is a symptom of childhood.

That the world is ruled by children. Purposely stunted and manipulated children. And you are a part that system --- until you realize this and work, within yourself, and outside of yourself.. to end it.

That you have been tampered with and a circular lock has been put in place and that is this artificial barrier, this circular lock, this falsified existence point.... of the internal ego voice.

See it for what it is.

When we each individually move beyond the artifice of a forced continual childhood of the avatar (where instinct and ego patterns keep the body alive), we move to the next step.

[Carmody]

I believe in reincarnation and 3D Earth existence being a school and "God/Higher self" are disincarnate souls that have "learned the lesson of Universal law" to a higher extent and that you might be able to connect with.

You choose yourself between lives together with your guides the experiences to go through while reincarnating.

There is no "God" punishing you since "God/Everything there is" is not separate from you. Polarity exists as to experience light and darkness, good and evil.

The "evil ones" are there as a mirroring of the state of the consciousness of the collective. Make conscious and change within yourself what evil you see in the mirror.

There is no Earthling without some "darkness" in their heart and who has not hurt this creation in some way...I can't prove anything...this is just my 2 cents...

light and dark, good and bad, high and low, etc, are fundamental requirements for existence. Existence, is, in fact, particle or point.... in differential of 'other'.

Growth in existence requires many points in differential, in co-joined complexity of organization. And, fluidity, capacity for change in such cojoined systems.

From this, consciousness, intelligence --arises.

'True' growth of this sort of consciousness, requires some sort of self governance, without impediment.

Impediment, of any kind... is implicated and forced order....and forced order leads to complete order (by it's very nature)...... which is a dead thing, that is not alive. It would merely be a dead thing which is a reflection of the point of imposition. (object and lockstep mirror image)

Thus the saying , for those developing consciousness units, here in this place: 'everything is permitted'.

But, outside of the development envelope of the imposed amnesia, ie, once out of the avatar of this 'place'....comes price -- comes cost. The reflection of the 'experience of moment', becomes development of self. The opposite of those moments is entertained, in experience, so the envelope of experience, the envelope of polarities.... becomes growth of self.

Those who have done 'great evils' will be given a choice. Some will even have to be fetched, so they can be given that opportunity for choice.

[darthtoaster]

Hi Stan, loved your heartfelt and honest post. Here's my take.

While we cannot know the beyond, we can look at the evidence we have and draw intermediate conclusions. Near Death experiences report similar things. Life review but non judgment. Development over the time. Reincarnation, managed by a not perfect, not omnipotent group :)

Someday we'll all be out of this quarantine. We are kinda dangerous at this point. But not forever. Even the worst of us learn over time. The odd few wouldmay not be retained. Just too evil, too unrepentant. We'll see. But, to choose your path as so many others do, aware but choosing good anyhow ... treasure in heaven friend :)

Persevere. Enjoyed your post and reflections.

Dave

[Tangri]

Tangri please don't turn this topic into a you said I said semantic waste of time. Either respond to what my views were or leave it and go elsewhere for your semantic excercise.

Stan




I am very sorry that, you misunderstand my points to vibrate you. I was using light humor which came from your past post's interpretation that showed me you had a sense of humor on wordings.

Most of the readers here know me and almost call me an anti-semantic person, in believing that recognition , make me wonder what I did in my writing , which caused you believe, I am doing a semantic exercise.

I am very sorry if you took it offensive in your expense. Please accept my apology.

[aranuk]

I accept your apology Sir.

Stan

[Bluegreen]

I personally don't believe that Jesus said to turn the other cheek. Some one stuck that in there to control the slaves. Seems to me he said that he had come to bring a sword.

Jesus said, "People think that I have come to cast peace upon this world. They do not know that I have come to cast dissension upon the Earth: fire, sword, war."
- Gospel of Thomas

[Morbid]

perhaps the evil ones give us some sort of a favour by having to live the next lives to pay back the karma. there must be darkness for light to shine. right?

[East Sun]

Maybe it's just the way I'm feeling tonight. Anyway here are my thoughts.

If God is all forgiving and he forgives evil people for their evil actions this creates a big question for me. If I behave in this world according to my conscience of what is right and what is wrong, then I am operating in this world with more restrictions than an evil person who has no conscience. The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants. If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not. At the end of our lives we are presumably forgiven for any wrong doings. My “trivial” wrong doings are forgiven and the evil person's wrong doings which may include mass murder, corruption at the highest levels, cheating and stealing from many people are also forgiven. If it is the end result that matters then it would seem that there is no difference. It is no small wonder that the evil people rule the world and have always done. We good people are at a disadvantage with our conscience tying our hands behind our backs. I am sure the evil ones fully understand this and take advantage when ever they can. The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience. Is there anything that can be done? Dr Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and others tell us that we good people who think and feel nice feelings are the healthiest. How come these evil bastards like Kissinger, Bush, The Queen mother, the Queen the list goes on, live to a great age with health. Maybe the evil ones do what they do not because they don't believe in the existence of a creator but that they do believe in a creator who is all forgiving.
It's this unconditional love that the newagers go on about. That is a load of codswallop too!

Stan

Stan,
I always felt that I did the right thing and should be all right with karma or a creator and people who did bad things would pay in the after life. Never heard much about them being forgiven.

The people you mentioned, Bush et al, never seem to be really happy. So they have power and money and relative health but are often miserable bastards.
I often wish them the worst.
They act like there will be no consequences for their actions. Do they know something we don't?
Or maybe they are controlled and will pay the price for their evil doing.

If we do the right thing always we have a freedom like no other. Even if there is no reckoning to come we have a clear conscience.

As time goes on I care less about 'them'.

I would not want to be like them in any way, shape or form.

When I look at them I feel better about myself.

ES

[Carmody]

Bashar needs a large cup of "shut the f**k up." (old military expression). Some one should tell him that the Truth/truth does not justify anything, the cosmic truths cannot be known while in a human body, anyway. There is a yardstick for the blind and that is the eight virtues, which the universe ever so slowly responds to at a planetary level and beyond. BTW, all of creation is female, which is immeasurable, and the infinite potential to create is male, which cannot be known and has no existence.

Evil rules the world for one reason only - we allow it. We are apathetic, lazy, comfort oriented and afraid of death. Humanity has given permission incrementally for the condition we now live in. Over the millennia, we were duped, deceived, tricked and lied to, our DNA tampered with. But after we realized it and even before each step downward, we just shrugged our shoulders. They were too big, too strong, to persuasive, or there would be something shinny at the end.

Silence implies consent.

Love is not enough. There needs to be wisdom and power, also. There is anger, there is rage, then there is wrath.

I personally don't believe that Jesus said to turn the other cheek. Some one stuck that in there to control the slaves. Seems to me he said that he had come to bring a sword.

Is forgiveness really appropriate with a jackboot in your face while your wife is being raped and your children impaled on broken glass and bayonets? When dark storm clouds gather what prophecy do you need about rain?

"Who would be sheriff in a town littered with meat where the watchman is a vulture." J.M. Rumi with regards to the ego and the world condition.

When hypnotism breaks the barrier of the unconscious lock on higher centers of thought and capacity, this tells you that that the barrier is very weak indeed.

If hypnotism can be use to make most people stop bad habits or stop smoking or whatnot, then it is simply a case of meditation, or self hypnosis.

The other 'truth' that emerges is that our lives are most likely artificially shortened.

That we are still in the stages of physical and mental childhood. that our genetic processes have been tampered with.

That, after a certain point in development, the training wheels of autonomous behavior and hindbrain ruled though processes.... come off. They literally fall away. That the brain continues growing.

Which, if we understand the aspects of meditation and kundalini meditation, we find that the physical aspects of neurology are most definitely plastic and that the brain is mutable. That we literally can go beyond being controlled by autonomous or instinctual processes.

That the ego is artifice. That the internal voice is artifice, it is artificial. It is temporary, it is a symptom of childhood.

That the world is ruled by children. Purposely stunted and manipulated children. And you are a part that system --- until you realize this and work, within yourself, and outside of yourself.. to end it.

That you have been tampered with and a circular lock has been put in place and that is this artificial barrier, this circular lock, this falsified existence point.... of the internal ego voice.

See it for what it is.

When we each individually move beyond the artifice of a forced continual childhood of the avatar (where instinct and ego patterns keep the body alive), we move to the next step.

Hypnotism works as we are not actually awake at any given time. That the voice in your head is just a construct, it is not you. Don't identify the self with the construct's creation of a voice (that rises into being at approximately the age of 5 years). The rise of the ego is the rise of the structure as a reflection, it is not you.

When you understand this, it then sheds some light on how we can fix bad habits via hypnotism or going after the underlying unconscious and body driven mechanisms, which are not intelligent, they are drives. That you look through the filter of an avatar, and body, that you are not of it. It sheds light on the works of regression hypnotists like Dolores Cannon and Michael Newton.

VR at it's finest.

Which is why you must very much beware the coming of VR, as that is a secondary layer of a thing that you already are. All the usual suspects are involved in the leading edge of VR and it's attempted injection into human life.

Consciousness -- the internal dialogue that seems to govern one's thoughts and actions -- is far less powerful than people believe, serving as a passive conduit rather than an active force that exerts control, according to a new theory proposed by an SF State researcher. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150623141911.htm)




Associate Professor of Psychology Ezequiel Morsella's "Passive Frame Theory" suggests that the conscious mind is like an interpreter helping speakers of different languages communicate.

"The interpreter presents the information but is not the one making any arguments or acting upon the knowledge that is shared," Morsella said. "Similarly, the information we perceive in our consciousness is not created by conscious processes, nor is it reacted to by conscious processes. Consciousness is the middle-man, and it doesn't do as much work as you think."

Morsella and his coauthors' groundbreaking theory, published online on June 22 by the journal Behavioral and Brain Sciences, contradicts intuitive beliefs about human consciousness and the notion of self.

Consciousness, per Morsella's theory, is more reflexive and less purposeful than conventional wisdom would dictate. Because the human mind experiences its own consciousness as sifting through urges, thoughts, feelings and physical actions, people understand their consciousness to be in control of these myriad impulses. But in reality, Morsella argues, consciousness does the same simple task over and over, giving the impression that it is doing more than it actually is.

"We have long thought consciousness solved problems and had many moving parts, but it's much more basic and static," Morsella said. "This theory is very counterintuitive. It goes against our everyday way of thinking."

According to Morsella's framework, the "free will" that people typically attribute to their conscious mind -- the idea that our consciousness, as a "decider," guides us to a course of action -- does not exist. Instead, consciousness only relays information to control "voluntary" action, or goal-oriented movement involving the skeletal muscle system.

Compare consciousness to the Internet, Morsella suggested. The Internet can be used to buy books, reserve a hotel room and complete thousands of other tasks. Taken at face value, it would seem incredibly powerful. But, in actuality, a person in front of a laptop or clicking away on a smartphone is running the show -- the Internet is just being made to perform the same basic process, without any free will of its own.

The Passive Frame Theory also defies the intuitive belief that one conscious thought leads to another. "One thought doesn't know about the other, they just often have access to and are acting upon the same, unconscious information," Morsella said. "You have one thought and then another, and you think that one thought leads to the next, but this doesn't seem to be the way the process actually works."

The theory, which took Morsella and his team more than 10 years to develop, can be difficult to accept at first, he said.

"The number one reason it's taken so long to reach this conclusion is because people confuse what consciousness is for with what they think they use it for," Morsella said. "Also, most approaches to consciousness focus on perception rather than action."

The theory has major implications for the study of mental disorders, Morsella said. "Why do you have an urge or thought that you shouldn't be having? Because, in a sense, the consciousness system doesn't know that you shouldn't be thinking about something," Morsella said. "An urge generator doesn't know that an urge is irrelevant to other thoughts or ongoing action."

The study of consciousness is complicated, Morsella added, because of the inherent difficulty of applying the conscious mind to study itself.

"For the vast majority of human history, we were hunting and gathering and had more pressing concerns that required rapidly executed voluntary actions," Morsella said. "Consciousness seems to have evolved for these types of actions rather than to understand itself."

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This may lead to an understanding of how people and society are manipulated via baser drives, manipulated....by all those manipulators. that the groups and things that manipulate you, are wholly aware of this condition of the ego/inner-voice not being the consciousness itself. Even though the given person is not aware of this basic component of self, and thus presents a life that can be wholly manipulated. It's almost child's play to manipulate 'people' in such a state. easy-peasy.

Humans..farmed? Farmed for what?

Farmed for their energetic shaping, is what it would be. Consensus reality as a created landscape, driven like a giant ship/boat. To create a landscape you need the dots of quanta. Humans be quanta in a localized bubble of consensus function. If you are not aware of this, then someone/something else will step up to the plate and drive it.

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[Carmody]

This is VITALLY important information:

Rats 'dream' paths to a brighter future (http://phys.org/news/2015-06-rats-paths-brighter-future.html)

When rats rest, their brains simulate journeys to a desired future such as a tasty treat, finds new UCL research.

The researchers monitored brain activity in rats, first as the animals viewed food in a location they could not reach, then as they rested in a separate chamber, and finally as they were allowed to walk to the food. The activity of specialised brain cells involved in navigation suggested that during the rest the rats simulated walking to and from food that they had been unable to reach.

The study, published in the open access journal eLife, could help to explain why some people with damage to a part of the brain called the hippocampus are unable to imagine the future.

"During exploration, mammals rapidly form a map of the environment in their hippocampus," says senior author Dr Hugo Spiers (UCL Experimental Psychology). "During sleep or rest, the hippocampus replays journeys through this map which may help strengthen the memory. It has been speculated that such replay might form the content of dreams. Whether or not rats experience this brain activity as dreams is still unclear, as we would need to ask them to be sure! Our new results show that during rest the hippocampus also constructs fragments of a future yet to happen. Because the rat and human hippocampus are similar, this may explain why patients with damage to their hippocampus struggle to imagine future events."

In the experiment, animals were individually placed on a straight track with a T-junction ahead. Access to the junction as well as the left and right hand arms beyond it was prevented by a transparent barrier. One of the arms had food at the end, the other side was empty. After observing the food the rats were put in a sleep chamber for an hour. Finally after the barrier was removed, the animals were returned to the track and allowed to run across the junction and on to the arms.

During the rest period, the data showed that place cells that would later provide an internal map of the food arm were active. Cells representing the empty arm were not activated in this way. This indicates that the brain was simulating or preparing future paths leading to a desired goal.

"What's really interesting is that the hippocampus is normally thought of as being important for memory, with place cells storing details about locations you've visited," explains co-lead author Dr Freyja Ólafsdóttir (UCL Biosciences). "What's surprising here is that we see the hippocampus planning for the future, actually rehearsing totally novel journeys that the animals need to take in order to reach the food."

The results suggest that the hippocampus plans routes that have not yet happened as well as recording those that have already happened, but only when there is a motivational cue such as food. This may also imply the ability to imagine future events is not a uniquely human ability.

"What we don't know at the moment is what these neural simulations are actually for," says co-lead author Dr Caswell Barry (UCL Biosciences). "It seems possible this process is a way of evaluating the available options to determine which is the most likely to end in reward, thinking it through if you like. We don't know that for sure though and something we'd like to do in the future is try to establish a link between this apparent planning and what the animals do next."

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Now for the kicker:

The hippocampus, which is what we use to steer reality into a future (the dimensional door lies in this part of the mind).....to create a timeline and a reality....this part of the brain is EXTREMELY sensitive to......chemtrails.

Neurologist Warns Aluminum in Chemtrails Could Cause “Explosive Increase in Neurodegenerative Diseases” (http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/neurologist-warns-aluminum-in-chemtrails-could-cause-explosive-increase-in-neurodegenerative-diseases/)

Then the scientist Nikolai Kozyrev (one of the most distinguished scientists in Russia) discovers that.. when dealing with dimensional 'out of time energies (spooky action at a distance dimensional energies), that the only thing that stop and blocks those waves......is aluminum. (https://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online/20-the-divine-cosmos/95-the-divine-cosmos-chapter-01-the-breakthroughs-of-dr-na-kozyrev)

I hope that this is enough of the puzzle to help solve it, as it really is enough.

the problem is that people, asleep and hypnotized, not in charge, this voice in head thing, will walk away from this data in these few posts and shut down that line of thought and thinking. It will purposely direct YOU, dear reader AWAY from looking at this and retaining it, investigating it, learning from it.

Seriously, Put a note about it, just a few words by your bed or on the dash of your car. somewhere you might come across it in a day or so.

I can virtually guarantee (probably 80% of the readers of this, if not more) that you will have forgotten what I've said here by then even though I've actually give you a real set of functional breadcrumbs as a trail, to find your way out.

For the same reason that people cannot give up bad habits, like smoking, or whatnot... as the thing they call consciousness is not really consciousness, for that same reason, it will drive them away and off of ---- the way out of this thing.

If the work is not fundamental, in the deeper layers,then nothing happens. The reality is that the voice in the head is just the voice of the deeper layers of the unconscious mechanisms... The deep work has to be done, otherwise it is a lip service, a circular lock with no depth...a bull**** grinder for a life.

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[Selkie]

...The evil person has no limits on what is possible for him to do, so in a way, he feels freedom to do what he wants.

No, not merely "in a way"...that is the way it is for the evil.


...If I am restricted by my conscience on what is possible for me to do then my freedom is severely restricted is it not...The psychopaths rule because they are free of conscience...

It is almost as if the idea of "conscience" was invented by those with no conscience in order to ham-string the rest of us. Could it be possible that through interbreeding and in-breeding, the ancient, psychopathic families that rule the world have kept alive a human trait that should have died out a long time ago?

Scroll down to Developmental Stages http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19941025&slug=1937798

[Carmody]

the other thing is that the creation of crisis and the maintenance of crisis.... is about holding people in the animal mode so they stay on the surface and live only to hold the body alive and never ponder or find the depth of reality and life.

This is why I got rid of my television in 1998 or so. Since then, no news, no TV, no radio, no newspapers, all those things are highly destructive to the intellect and the development of the intellect and human progress. Their mainstream use in human life is for distraction and retardation. Literally.


A recent study came out and found that smart phones, with their constant stimulation, was retarding the intelligence of the individuals and the groups who involved themselves in such things.

Intelligence grows in the silence of contemplation; the animal control of non-self, grows in the world of overstimulation and noise. See how much in the way of math problems you can solve while on a roller coaster. Go ahead, think abut it, try it.

The only thing you miss when you leave a busy world, is it's directive into retardation.

A thought that arises from all this, is the idea of constantly plopping a child in front of a Television, or computer game, as a way of gaining relief from their busyness. Such destruction of one's own children. Wiring their minds for downturn and loss. Ouch.

[Peace of Mind]

Life is a test, where you recognize the good from the bad by having experiences with both. Evil and Righteousness exists simply because people allow them to exist. Anything is possible; everything was once a probability at some point. All experiences are the results of “thoughts”. Fear, in many cases is a construct of thoughts brought on to you by other people’s thoughts…and is purposely used to fashion your thoughts.
So, when observing all the evil thoughts in the world…just how much thoughts of resistance to “evil” are you actually observing?

Peace

[Michel Leclerc]

Dear Aranuk,

I have difficulty resonating with your thought experiment, as a few concepts seem to be too hard-wired to each other to allow freedom in thinking.

My experience is that what you call restrictions (as in restrictions on the "freedom to do wrong", which you say our contemporary monsters are enjoying) do not "restrict" or limit my freedom but expand it. The "freedom to do wrong" I experience as a contradiction in terms: the wrongdoing in itself so severely restricts my freedom (the voice of conscience reminding me that I have to correct this wrong before my spirit, or mind, or brain (please feel free to choose your frame of reference) can roam freely again and be creative) that even the very initial "freedom" I may sense when launching myself on this path of wrongdoing is highly ephemeral and yields to the petrifying sensation of guilt.

If I do not choose the "freedom to do wrong" but instead choose the "restriction to do right", the joy brought by my "doing the right thing" almost immediately turns the "restriction" into the happy pathway leading towards this joy – hence my feeling that such "restrictions" increase my freedom.

Related to this thinking is how one conceives freedom as such. You obviously know the distinction philosophers have made between the "negative" "freedom-from" and the "positive" "freedom-to". The wrongdoer's freedom you are referring to is obviously a negative freedom, the person who "restricts" himself in the pursuit of good, is more engaged in something we may call "positive self-discipline" or "positive slavery" even, which brings him the greater good of joy turning this "positive self-restriction" into "positive freedom-to".

A connected thought: people often say that in a well functioning society "my freedom ends where the other person's freedom begins". This paints the freedom "exchange", as you may sense, as a "zero-sum game". I tend to think that freedom is not a "zero-sum game" but an "infinite-product game": my freedom ends where the other person's freedom ends, and my freedom begins where the other person's freedom begins.

The Bush monster's "freedom" delirium was so pernicious because it was based on the zero-sum game type of freedom. The American freedom from having to link the American sense of being free to all people's sense of being free, guaranteed by superior weaponry destroying them for "envying our freedom" – where in fact they needed to be destroyed for not believing that negative freedom brings happiness or joy.

You are right in referring to people's suffering from the hands of the monsters among us. Yet the cruelty they suffer only impairs, and even terribly destroys, their "freedom-from", but leaves their positive "freedom-to" untouched.

That explains why the martyrs have felt "heavenly joy" while being tortured to death. Or, to give an example from George Bataille's philosophy of "l'expérience intérieure" (the inner experience), people executed in the most horrible of ways felt a "liberating" experience which coincided with their "ascension" into spirit.

The terrible truth is that while the advocates of negative freedom, as Mr Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld's accomplices in Abu Ghurayb for instance, tortured their victims for "envying" the American "freedom-from" (which was an erroneous assumption to start with), the only thing they did was killing in their victims precisely this negative freedom-from (the suffering being inflicted on them obviously preventing them from being free from this suffering) while their victims found spiritual solace and "freedom-to" in their religious traditions.

By doing this, i.e. by inflicting absence of any form of "freedom-from" as a way of punishing their victims for "envying" the American "freedom-from", they were inflicting what psychology calls a "double bind": "be like us, "free-from", and at the same time never again be "free-from" (pain) any more".

The enforcer of a double bind enacts towards his victim a contradiction which he cannot solve in himself. That is why the torturers of Abu Ghurayb were basically vicariously torturing the inmates instead of themselves (by way of the voice of their conscience) for their own negative "freedom-from".

Until we commit ourselves to the road of "freedom-to" we will not stop inflicting our negative "freedom-from" upon others. The zero-sum game will thereby never end, and eternally yield zero.

If we long for positive "freedom-to", "sacrifices" will be sources of anticipated joy.

[lake]

the other thing is that the creation of crisis and the maintenance of crisis.... is about holding people in the animal mode so they stay on the surface and live only to hold the body alive and never ponder or find the depth of reality intelligence grows in the silence of contemplation; the animal control of non-self, grows in the world of overstimulation and noise. See how much in the way of math problems you can solve while on a roller coaster.
Ouch.
thank you for your posts here. they confirm to me my suspected thoughts.
I have in the past considered and posted on Avalon and different forums each part of your 'breadcrumbs'.
Many years ago i realised that 70-90 % of my so called thoughts were not of me and some how a check became which 'interagated' each thought. Over time a third check of thought was nesasary to limit the contamination of the second thought.
I dream and have memory of this place in the third person along with external experiences away from this physical form.
I know that I create this reality but I did not want to accept the extent of this process.
I was called shy by Aether years ago and this is still true.
It was only a few months ago that I concluded that the greater mass of 'man' is still a child and that my thoughts of 'man', 'mankind' and 'human' are different beings.
Evil is a moral choice.
Lack of evil is a definition of self.
Love is selfish.
Empathy defines evil.

Anyway thanks, I now have to chose to be responsible or stay as a child and return?

How deep it, this voice, is!
I thought that I knew this concept but the depth of it, I did not realise.
Were it ends and I, self, begins......is difficult to place.
But I shall continue to comprehend.