Is Alex Jones CoIntelPro?

[Hawkwind]

As usual, sorry if this has been posted before. I know the general topic has been discussed here at length, but hadn't seen this particular video posted. It was fairly difficult for me to listen to, but it's also spot on my perception of Mr. Jones.

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[regnak]

I disagree has he made mistakes is he perfect watch his bohemian grove video . the organisers just want him to join him on the stage with him rather than ranting in the crowd which he does not do .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpKdSvwYsrE

[Bill Ryan]

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I've taken the liberty of changing the thread title from a statement to a question. :)

A question is fine! But the statement form makes it look as if your mind is closed on the subject. Personally, I'm as sure as I can be that he's fully authentic. You just can't fake the kind of emotion and passion he brings, which is sometimes right out of control. If he's an actor, he'd be the finest actor the world has ever known.

[Kryztian]

Per Wikipedia, COINTELPRO is an organization that focuses on "surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting." Isn't that just what a lot of us here on Avalon do? We survey our reality, penetrate it depths in search of new and deeper meanings, and then decide which ideas are greater truths to promote and which ideas needs discrediting (right now we are contemplating discrediting Alex Jones.) Each of us has insight into the big picture, but there are things that each of us is completely wrong about. In ten years or ten lifetimes, I may suddenly understand that I was discrediting a perfectly well meaning truth teller who had deep insight into the truth that could have been beneficial to humanity, but I created a disruption on my and everyone else's path to a better world. So I too am COINTELPRO, and you probably are too, at least at some point during your sojourn here on Project Avalon.

So yes, Alex Jones is frequently wrong, frequent touts certain ideas based on sketchy intelligence. But saying "he's COINTELPRO" really means he is on the FBI payroll, creating fake information, harassing individuals who are trying to get the truth out there, and working against organizations that threaten the power of government. Is there any evidence of that???

[TheBeYonder]

1. – Alex Jones is married to a Jewish woman named Violet Nichols, with whom he has three(3) children.

2. – Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

3. – Alex Jones is funded by at least thirty-four(34) Jewish sponsors and advertisers who financially support his radio show and websites.

4. – Alex Jones’ flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications,
a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The founder, chairman, president, and CEO of Emmis Communications is the Zionist Jew Jeffrey Smulyan.

5. – Alex Jones’ radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM Radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Eddy Hartenstein.
The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Mel Karmazin. The President of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Scott Greenstein.
Of the six(6) executive officers of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

6. – Alex Jones employs a Jewish attorney named Elizabeth Morgan who is also employed by Holly Lev Bronfman, the sister of Edgar Bronfman, Jr.
Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family,
one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish Zionist families in North America.

7. – Alex Jones’ employee Molly Maroney, the managing editor of Infowars Magazine, is a former intern of Stratfor,
a private intelligence agency based in Austin, Texas, which has been linked to the CIA and Mossad.
The founder and CEO of Stratfor is the Zionist Jew George Friedman.

Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and Stratfor.



http://alexjonesexposed.info/

the comments are a very interesting read
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[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

My view on Alex Jones changed very recently when he correctly
predicted, on the 20th of May, that something big, and something bad,
was happening right now.

Just two days ago, news leaked via Veterans Today that the Israelis
were nuking Yemen with small neutron bombs on behalf of the Saudis.
The date of the bombing, was 20th of May.

Subsequently, i realised ... either we believe that:

1. Of all people, Alex Jones has amazingly accurate psychic abilities.
Abilities that, to my the best of my knowledge, he's not well known for.
And yet, he chose to make a 'one-of-a-kind' report about his feelings
of impending doom, on national (or rather) international, tv.

or...

2. He's not psychic at all, and he believes that something big is happening
because he's been told so.


Putting those two options on the scales... to my mind... the heavy end
has got to be No. 2.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[TheBeYonder]

and, he is a good actor !!!

Alex Jones Revealed to Be Long-Dead Comedian Bill Hicks; It All Makes Sense Now

by Evan McMurry | 10:39 am, November 26th, 2014

You knew* this was coming sooner or later: some through-the-looking-glass soul finally argued that chronic conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
is actually long-dead cult comedian Bill Hicks, a CIA plant who’s been masquerading as a Cassandra of the New World Order to obscure its even darker reality.

“This video will provide irrefutable and immutable proof that Bill Hicks was recruited by the CIA to become the controlled opposition
of the mainstream media,” internet user CastleJenniferBassett intoned in a thirty-three minute video on the subject.
“Bill Hicks assumed the identity of Alex Jones as he was continuously fed approved intelligence by his CIA handlers
in order to create a truth movement of false hope.”

To be fair the men do share similarities, including a Texas connection; a voluble distrust of authority figures bordering,
occasionally in Hicks’ case and by trade in Jones’, on paranoia; and a general pasty-white dudeness:

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/wi4ff6b31d-650x503.jpg

However they diverge in crucial spots, including being alive:
Hicks died of pancreatic cancer in 1994. (And if that didn’t kill him, Bush 43 definitely would have.)
Their politics, though both anti-authoritarian, are distinct as well:

Hicks was much more left-leaning than Jones, though this Texas Monthly post argues that given twenty years of bitterness
and Ruby Ridge Hicks could very well have slouched rightward.

And there’s the fact that Hicks was funny, which Jones is not. (Presumably this is tradecraft.)

So, the argument for: if anybody did, indeed, want to discredit a set of ideas, having Alex Jones spout them would be a good way to do that.
Against: if there’s any solid proof against conspiracy theories in this world, it’s that Bill Hicks was allowed to live as long as he did.

*How did you already know? False flag!

https://vimeo.com/107300153


http://www.mediaite.com/online/alex-jones-revealed-to-be-long-dead-comedian-bill-hicks-it-all-makes-sense-now/

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[/COLOR]Are Infowars Ex-employees Living in Fear of Bill Hicks ??

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THERE IS A LOT OF INFO ON THE THREAD LISTED BELOW

read all about it here - https://mackquigley.wordpress.com/20...of-bill-hicks/

[TheBeYonder]

Alex Jones Admits He's Bill Hicks - YouTube
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Alex Jones Admits He Is Bill Hicks - EXPOSED ... - YouTube
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Alex Jones Admits He's Bill Hicks - YouTube
Video for ALEX JONES ADMITS HE'S BILL HICKS YOUTUBE▶ 7:17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsPV0oNjHRA

[Bill Ryan]

Bill Hicks

No, I don't think so. :)

Here are some archive images of the young Alex Jones, before he gained quite a lot of weight.

http://projectavalon.net/Young_Alex_Jones_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Young_Alex_Jones_2.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Young_Alex_Jones_3.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Young_Alex_Jones_4.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Young_Alex_Jones_5.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

Fear the Fear behind his fear...

remember somewhere, at some level, our shadow government is ETs

which propaganda outlet do they use?


his Video showed a flash of Denver airports Mural... a hint?

[Hawkwind]

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I've taken the liberty of changing the thread title from a statement to a question. :)

A question is fine! But the statement form makes it look as if your mind is closed on the subject. Personally, I'm as sure as I can be that he's fully authentic. You just can't fake the kind of emotion and passion he brings, which is sometimes right out of control. If he's an actor, he'd be the finest actor the world has ever known.

Sorry, I copied the thread title from the title of the video. I agree it's more appropriate to present as a question for the purpose of discussion, but to be honest my mind is fairly well made up on the subject. You're as sure as you can be that he's fully authentic. I'm as sure as I can be that he isn't.

Whether or not the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is really a leaked Jewish/Zionist/and or Illuminati master plan, the powers that be seem to have adopted it as their strategy. Part of those plans calls for gaining control of groups opposed to their plans and shouting out their opposition so loudly that the general public will grow annoyed and stop listening to anyone voicing opposition. That is exactly what Alex has done repeated, as demonstrated in this video.

For me the clincher came when Alex's staff set up an interview with Jane Burgermeister and Alex failed to make the call. If anyone is beyond doubt the real deal, she is and if there was ever an opportunity to genuinely wake people up that was it. Maybe Alex just fumbled the ball, but that certainly isn't how Jane perceived it- and I'm inclined to agree.

[STAR87]

hahaha looking at Jones all working out LOL not sure why I find those pics so funny...After listening to Jones for years, I have always liked the guy. He is very extreme and I feel a good hearted American. I do believe he is being yanked around the playground often, more now than ever. One thing is for sure...He sells some great products

[Snookie]

Listening to the video in the original post, ol AJ sounds to me like one of the WWF wrestlers you see on TV. Bet he watched them as a kid 😉

[M0JFK]

I find the guy anoying. He always interrupts his guests and often puts words in their mouths especially if they are not saying what he wants them to say. He does not go there with regards to Israel and I often wonder if this is out of respect for his Jewish wife. I think his father was CIA but I dont know if this is a fact or not. Either way Jones is educating the people in his own way and any enlightenment of the people (even if contelpro) is in my view a good thing.

[M0JFK]

Personally I only credit Bill Ryan. Always loved his way of interviewing people despite his sidekick KC giving him dirty looks every now and then. Some of them looks she used to give Bill could of turned Medusa to stone. Bill may never have noticed it but I bloody well did.

[A.D.]

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I've taken the liberty of changing the thread title from a statement to a question. :)

A question is fine! But the statement form makes it look as if your mind is closed on the subject. Personally, I'm as sure as I can be that he's fully authentic. You just can't fake the kind of emotion and passion he brings, which is sometimes right out of control. If he's an actor, he'd be the finest actor the world has ever known.

Wow, I'd strongly disagree with you Bill on that. I find Jones to be an extremely bad actor, and as authentic as astro-turf. Jones is like the cliche over actor in a local acting class, who just over sells everything to comical proportions. He's like a crisis actor times 100. He's the ultimate crisis actor, playing his part and like all crisis actors, their over-acting / bad acting gives them away every time they open their mouths or are in front of a camera.

For those who are familiar with William Cooper's old radio show The Hour of the Time, it's quite obvious where Jones got his on air persona and template for his show, only he's a way over the top on air clown version of Cooper. TPTB couldn't control Cooper, and they saw what his radio program was capable of. Cooper predicts 9/11, so tptb realize they need to curtail this kind of radio show, and figure out how to inflitrate and control it like they've done with televised media. So they murder Cooper, some say because it was his 9/11 prediction, but I'd be willing to wager it was more so to get him out of the way to make room for Jones. And sure enough, once Cooper was gone, AJ's star start to rise and rise. And tptb now have their hand controlling the puppet's mouth and can control the alt-media as well, once Cooper was out of the picture.

As for all this nonsense about Bill Hicks becoming AJ, it's one of the most absurd theories I've ever seen online. And anyone who thinks it's true and "irrefutable" proves they know nothing about Hicks. Right when Hicks died he was finally starting to get the credit and notoriety he deserved. After years and years and years of relentless touring in every comedy club across america, it wasn't until he went to England where his stand up was finally getting noticed the way that it should have. It was very similar to Hendrix... Hendrix had to go to England to become known and famous. The same story was happening to Hicks. He was finally getting to the point where he was starting to enter that higher echelon of stand up comedian.

So it makes zero sense, that after spending a lifetime following his passion of stand up, of playing to empty rooms all over the country and playing to countless audiences that weren't smart enough to understand what he was doing, that once all that drudgery and hard work was finally starting to pay off, once he was finally starting to get really big, he'd fake his death and go through painful cosmetic surgery so he could become a puppet of the people he continually railed against and exposed for years in his stand up. He'd make his family and friends suffer the horrific pain of thinking he was dead, throw away his entire career right when it was taking off and he's have a much larger audience to get his ideas and message across to, to turn himself into a cointel clown jackass who helps manipulate the masses. It goes against everything Hicks stood for and believed in to become a puppet for tptb and be their conspiracy radio show monkey. Hicks was right on the cusp of getting what he always wanted, which was for people to hear his ideas on a massive scale... he was right there, finally with the opportunity he'd worked his whole life for... knowing what he was trying to do, and that he'd finally built his name and reputation to the point to allow him to really change things, it's absolutely preposterous that he'd give all that up, give up his name, his art that he'd crafted for decades and his whole self, to become some other dude doing the opposite of what he was trying to do.


I'd again be willing to wager it was Jones who spread the rumor that he and Hicks are the same, as Jones stands to gain a lot by associating himself with one of the biggest anti-establishment heroes there ever was. The photos that people put side by side of Hicks and Jones you can almost tell that Jones had looked at the photo of hicks and is mimicking the same facial expression and pose (the one where you see the right side of their faces and their mouths are both slightly open is the most obvious give away that Jones is looking at the photo of Hicks and copying it). Jones continually downplays and tries to make jokes about the comparison, and that is his way of keeping the rumor going.. when he jokingly says "yeah and I'm Bill Hicks" that his way of keeping that rumor alive. When he makes horribly acted videos of him horribly acting like he's making a joke about revealing he can't keep the secret hidden anymore and that he is Hicks, he keeps the rumor going by acting like it's silly but all the while still talking about it and keeping it alive. I'd bet all I own that Jones started this rumor to try and usurp some of Hick's legend, the same way Jones usurped Bill Cooper's whole gig.

It's a huge disgrace what Jones has done to Hicks's legacy by parasiting himself onto Hicks. The fact that one of the world's most brilliant sage comedians is now entangled with one of the world's biggest buffoons is one of the greatest tragedies of the internet age. And it goes to show that people will believe anything if they see it in a youtube video.

Jones is dragging Hicks's legacy through the mud through spreading this rumor and trying to once again steal another man's credibility and work and wear it as his own.

Anyone who can't see the tool that Jones is for tptb, you need your discernment gauge checked because it's quite broken. Does infowars put out good info, sure. But anyone who's familiar with cointel pro tactics knows that's how you sell the con. AJ is an obvious cointel muppet, and his over the top antics and bad acting have given him away years ago. And as someone else pointed out, he's no different then a pro-wrestler, with his over the top buffoonery when he jumps up and down and gets all red faced and fake angry. Pro-wrestling is the perfect analogy for what Jones is... because it's just as obviously choreographed and staged and comically over the top and designed to get a particular reaction from viewers.

[Heartsong]

repost....

[Roisin]

He's a shock jock. lol

[Heartsong]

Why is it important that any of these people are Jewish?



1. – Alex Jones is married to a Jewish woman named Violet Nichols, with whom he has three(3) children.

2. – Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

3. – Alex Jones is funded by at least thirty-four(34) Jewish sponsors and advertisers who financially support his radio show and websites.

4. – Alex Jones’ flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications,
a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The founder, chairman, president, and CEO of Emmis Communications is the Zionist Jew Jeffrey Smulyan.

5. – Alex Jones’ radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM Radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Eddy Hartenstein.
The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Mel Karmazin. The President of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Scott Greenstein.
Of the six(6) executive officers of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

6. – Alex Jones employs a Jewish attorney named Elizabeth Morgan who is also employed by Holly Lev Bronfman, the sister of Edgar Bronfman, Jr.
Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family,
one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish Zionist families in North America.

7. – Alex Jones’ employee Molly Maroney, the managing editor of Infowars Magazine, is a former intern of Stratfor,
a private intelligence agency based in Austin, Texas, which has been linked to the CIA and Mossad.
The founder and CEO of Stratfor is the Zionist Jew George Friedman.

Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and Stratfor.



http://alexjonesexposed.info/

the comments are a very interesting read
(go to link 2 lines above to read them)

[East Sun]

Well, AD, I disagree with your analysis of Alec Jones. Of course anyone putting himself out there as he does is going to be ridiculed relentlessly. You have to admit he's got guts and is not afraid to tell it like it is.

Re: Hicks--Alex made fun of the fact that people were saying he was Hicks. Some people just become absurd about the most ridiculous things.

Alex Jones has shone the light on so many things through the years. And still most don't get it. How much in the dark would his followers be
without him.
Of course he can't be perfect but stand back and look at what he has done. Try and see the big picture in light of how things have changed in the past decades.

I hope he can keep on with the work he is doing. No one could replace him.

[A.D.]

Well, AD, I disagree with your analysis of Alec Jones. Of course anyone putting himself out there as he does is going to be ridiculed relentlessly. You have to admit he's got guts and is not afraid to tell it like it is.

Re: Hicks--Alex made fun of the fact that people were saying he was Hicks. Some people just become absurd about the most ridiculous things.

Alex Jones has shone the light on so many things through the years. And still most don't get it. How much in the dark would his followers be
without him.
Of course he can't be perfect but stand back and look at what he has done. Try and see the big picture in light of how things have changed in the past decades.

I hope he can keep on with the work he is doing. No one could replace him.

You and many people would disagree with me.

And many, not all, but many of the people who would disagree with me, the loyal Jones follower, are people who were unaware of the conspiracy world before Jones. So Jones is the guy that brought them in. For those of us who were already paying attention and researching the conspiracy world before Jones showed up, most of us can clearly see Jones for what he is. A poorly crafted clown designed to infiltrate the alternative media so tptb can direct and steer truth movements in any direction they want.

It's a proven tactic that's been used time and time again. Control information. And the best way to control information is not to stifle it or try and stop it, that would be too obvious and show people that there's information that people are trying to keep hidden and quiet. Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters. Why else do you think Jones gets to say the things he does and get away with it, and become a millionaire celebrity, yet William Cooper was gun downed and murdered?

(go see AJ's net worth at 8 million... one man becomes a multi-millionaire, the other is murdered... http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/alex-jones-net-worth/ )

As for where his followers would be without him... I can tell you exactly where they'd be: blindly following someone else and not thinking for themselves. Because that's the definition of a "follower". Someone who follows and does not make their own path. Someone who just goes along with what others say and believe without coming to their own conclusions. Cult leaders have followers. Jones has a whole legion of blind followers. A follower is not something anyone should strive to be or call themselves. Sheep follow. People and animals in herds follow.

It's not a matter of whether or not Jones is perfect or not, or has made mistakes, it's a matter that he's obviously not who he says he is. It's the matter that he has poisoned the well of the alternative media landscape, by posing as someone trying to help rather then what he's really here to do which is hinder and derail and steer.

Try and stand back and look at the big picture and understand how tptb understand how to manipulate mass psychology through people like Jones. The same way they have been doing ever since they realized that new invention in peoples' homes, that radio they all gather and sit around, can be used to pump messages into homes and minds all across the country and make people believe anything you say through that device... you could even make them believe there was an alien invasion happening. Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" radio show was the experiment where tptb learned they had the greatest mass manipulation device ever invented... until the tell-a-vision was invented. Tptb understand mass psychology better then they understand anything else. They know how to move the masses and make them believe lies and nonsense, so much so that the masses will proudly defend those lies with their own lives.

Anyone could replace Jones. All you need is an egomaniac attention whore. That's how tptb get the pawns and stooges to do their bidding and stand out in the spotlight for them. They get people who already have a crazy ego who crave attention. Works with presidents and politicians and media talking heads and pretty much any field where you can promise someone fame and fortune and a legacy in history.

Do your homework and learn some history and know that Jones replaced William Cooper. So Jones is just a far lesser, poor man's William Cooper. And remember what happened to Cooper for saying the things he did on his radio show... he didn't become a millionaire celebrity whose radio show became more and more popular, he was murdered for speaking the truth and replaced by an egomaniac pawn.

And you missed the point I was making as to why Jones makes fun of people saying he is Hicks... he makes fun of it to continue the rumor, he gains from being associated with Hicks. He gains from making fun of it and promoting the idea that there's some tie, either real or not, to himself and Hicks.


"And still most don't get it"... ain't that the truth

[East Sun]

1. – Alex Jones is married to a Jewish woman named Violet Nichols, with whom he has three(3) children.

2. – Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

3. – Alex Jones is funded by at least thirty-four(34) Jewish sponsors and advertisers who financially support his radio show and websites.

4. – Alex Jones’ flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications,
a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The founder, chairman, president, and CEO of Emmis Communications is the Zionist Jew Jeffrey Smulyan.

5. – Alex Jones’ radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM Radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Eddy Hartenstein.
The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Mel Karmazin. The President of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Scott Greenstein.
Of the six(6) executive officers of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

6. – Alex Jones employs a Jewish attorney named Elizabeth Morgan who is also employed by Holly Lev Bronfman, the sister of Edgar Bronfman, Jr.
Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family,
one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish Zionist families in North America.

7. – Alex Jones’ employee Molly Maroney, the managing editor of Infowars Magazine, is a former intern of Stratfor,
a private intelligence agency based in Austin, Texas, which has been linked to the CIA and Mossad.
The founder and CEO of Stratfor is the Zionist Jew George Friedman.

Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and Stratfor.



http://alexjonesexposed.info/

the comments are a very interesting read
(go to link 2 lines above to read them)


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Thank you for this post TheBeYonder,


David Icke gave a great synopsis of the Zionist and how they are very different to Israelis and are no friend of the Israelis.

I mention this so there is no misconception between who both are.

If I am shown that Alec Jones is hand in glove with the Zionists I will withdraw any respect I have for him.
I may still admire him for the good things he has done in the past and is still doing.

If you are not familiar with the work of David Icke please check him out. It will take time but it is well worth it.

If you are familiar with David Icke's work but missed his video on the Zionists please check that out.
Sorry I don't have a link.

ES

[Bill Ryan]

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@ A.D. — I understand and respect your earnest and passionate views, and your posts. But tell me (this is a sincere question, not a debating point) — how does this apply here?
Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters.

Most of what Alex Jones says, and has been saying for years, checks out for me. He's not just a preacher from the pulpit (though this is often his style) — he has reams upon reams of documentation.

Where's the false or misleading information? What is he saying that millions are gullibly believing? And if I'm being hoodwinked by him, how am I being 'controlled'? As above, these are serious and interesting questions.

[shadowstalker]

1. – Alex Jones is married to a Jewish woman named Violet Nichols, with whom he has three(3) children.

2. – Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

TheBeYonder
So what are you saying when it come to marrying a jew?
Does this conclude in your mind that anyone marrying a jew is part of an agenda?
If not then that part of the list should be removed.
I am sure a lot of good folks who have married a jew would appreciate not being profiled as such.
Remember what goes around comes around.


Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and Stratfor.

Guilt by so called association, I guess we are all guilty to one degree or another then, cuz lord knows man lord knows.


Just putting it out there.

I don't know the rest, but if the devil speaks the truth do you ignore the truth because its the devil?

If anyone speaks the truth and proves it do you ignore it because they speak to the devil as it where, I don't, it may still mean something in the end, possibly a life.

[Aspen]

My sister uses some of his products and finds they are better quality than you can find in the health food store, such as the iodine. I wonder how much money he has made from selling products to people who are afraid?

BIll Cooper did a broadcast where he talked about how Alex Jones had greatly exaggerated the Y2K story and that he had falsified the facts. To me his overall tone is to scare people. I do agree that it is quite possible that Alex Jones has been used to co opt the alternative media. It is quite possible that he is focusing on certain stories and not others. It is likely the lie of omission. 7r8rFNDh9WQ

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

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@ A.D. — I understand and respect your earnest and passionate views, and your posts. But tell me (this is a sincere question, not a debating point) — how does this apply here?
Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters.

Most of what Alex Jones says, and has been saying for years, checks out for me. He's not just a preacher from the pulpit (though this is often his style) — he has reams upon reams of documentation.

Where's the false or misleading information? What is he saying that millions are gullibly believing? And if I'm being hoodwinked by him, how am I being 'controlled'? As above, these are serious and interesting questions.

I think he (AJ) mostly tells the facts about what's going on materially.
He misses a lot of what's going on spiritually.

Which is why a lot of people leave that site to come to this one, at least, I hope.

Also, unlike Project Avalon, Infowars has either contracted out its "comments" service on the News sites,
or just does a very poor job of moderating them.

Things that would almost never be said on PA are said on a daily basis there.
It's sort of like what you'd expect to see on CNN, Yahoo comments, or Disqus.

For a guy who claims to love "freedom of speech" as much as Alex does,
what we're left with at the core is a bunch of hyper-bitter and often racist testosterone junkies.
Judging by the comments anyway.

I saw that on Russia Today, the comments appeared to be moderated in a way that makes sense.
There was a lot less name calling, racism, infighting, etc. on RT comments compared to InfoW.



To his credit, his forum is thought-provoking.
But posters who get too busy or talk about the wrong things (like CERN) find themselves gone quickly.


*shrug*


If PA wasn't more like a community than a mosh pit more of us would be banned. And many permanently.
That's the biggest difference between this site and that one.
The lack of explanation over there when the bans fall.

Here with a few exceptions it does seem like people get a chance to work things out,
to take a vacation rather than a hike, etc.



PA gives writers and thinkers a real platform.
Comparatively.

:P

But honestly?
You might be comparing apples and oranges,
it's good to defend the guy but he also has to defend himself

PA is loads nicer than PP (IMO)



p.s. the whole hatred of "liberals" over there is something i can't stand. there was a kid in my shop in the military who was a Democrat, and he was probably the smartest kid in the shop, too. one of the only people there who was kind to people of other races overtly and outspoken about human rights.

[A.D.]

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@ A.D. — I understand and respect your earnest and passionate views, and your posts. But tell me (this is a sincere question, not a debating point) — how does this apply here?
Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters.

Most of what Alex Jones says, and has been saying for years, checks out for me. He's not just a preacher from the pulpit (though this is often his style) — he has reams upon reams of documentation.

Where's the false or misleading information? What is he saying that millions are gullibly believing? And if I'm being hoodwinked by him, how am I being 'controlled'? As above, these are serious and interesting questions.

Hey Bill

I'll do my best to respond in the next day or so... if I am posting on a message board, it usually means I am desperately procrastinating from work that's been terribly neglected... but I will get back to you.

[Hawkwind]

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@ A.D. — I understand and respect your earnest and passionate views, and your posts. But tell me (this is a sincere question, not a debating point) — how does this apply here?
Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters.


Most of what Alex Jones says, and has been saying for years, checks out for me. He's not just a preacher from the pulpit (though this is often his style) — he has reams upon reams of documentation.

Where's the false or misleading information? What is he saying that millions are gullibly believing? And if I'm being hoodwinked by him, how am I being 'controlled'? As above, these are serious and interesting questions.

If there is a grand conspiracy of some cabal to control and subjugate the rest of humanity (and most people here would agree that there is) and they are using the tactic of controlled opposition (which most people here would also agree they are), then what would that look like and how could one discern between someone genuinely fighting against the cabal from someone feigning opposition?

As A.D. eloquently pointed out, compare William Cooper to Alex Jones. Regardless of the particulars of whatever subject matter was being discussed, Cooper's message was always fundamentally "This is the information I have. I believe it to be true, but don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself. Get informed and get active." His style of presenting this info was also calm and level headed. That kind of message is dangerous to the powers that be, because it's a message that a broad spectrum of people were willing to listen to with an open mind.

Now compare that to A.J. Again, regardless of the particulars being discussed AJ's message is always fundamentally "Fill yourself with hate and fear." and it's delivered in a red in the face, practically frothing at the mouth manner. It might be passionate, but I've never seen anyone turn genuine emotions that intense on and off like a light switch (which AJ does repeatedly in the original post's video). That most definitely is not a message or style of delivery that most people are going to be willing to listen to with an open mind. Whether or not the information presented is truthful and accurate, the manner of its delivery is going to turn most people off not only to the messenger, but also to the message (which I believe is the intent of this particular messenger and the people who control him).

Once Cooper, and a few others starting spreading the word about what was going on, the information could no longer be contained. It could, however, to a large extent be controlled by appointing leaders within the community and having them follow paths which lead nowhere. In order to maintain their position as leaders these people would have to present information which is mostly true, but the parameters of the message could still be controlled. Again, the case that Jane Burgermeister presented in which Baxter was caught red handed distributing vaccines contaminated with live avian flu virus was huge. It's the kind of information that the general public could listen to with an open mind, because it had direct consequences on their lives. You and Kerry interviewed the lady, Alex chose not to.

While there is no doubt that people like Naom Chomsky and Howard Zinn helped a lot of people wake up to what's happening in the world (myself included), Webster Tarpley has them both pegged as gate keepers of the truth, and he's right. The biggest geo-political event of my lifetime prior to 9/11 was the JFK assassination. Chomsky, who had spent the better part of his life (supposedly) working for social reform staunchly opposed the idea that a conspiracy within the government may have been involved with the event. So, one of the foremost leaders of the social reform movement missed probably the greatest opportunity to actually instigate broad social reforms. Darn! When asked for his opinion on whether or not the US government was involved in the events of 9/11/2001 Zinn replied "I don't know and I don't think it matters." Again, one of the people most renowned for exposing government cover-ups just happens to not only miss the largest cover-up of the century, but says it doesn't matter. Somethings wrong with this picture. And yes, I know AJ did both predict 9/11 and follow up on it, but only after Bill Cooper had let the cat out of the bag.

For my money, A.D. has hit the nail squarely on the head. The powers that be took out William Cooper, the real deal, and replaced him with one of their sock puppets.

[TheBeYonder]

have you watched any of these 3 videos - Alex Jones Admits He's Bill Hicks - YouTube
Video for ALEX JONES ADMITS HE'S BILL HICKS YOUTUBE▶ 7:17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=31UrDpfM2Lc

Alex Jones Admits He Is Bill Hicks - EXPOSED ... - YouTube
Video for ALEX JONES ADMITS HE'S BILL HICKS YOUTUBE▶ 3:14
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaFERFWbkeU

Alex Jones Admits He's Bill Hicks - YouTube
Video for ALEX JONES ADMITS HE'S BILL HICKS YOUTUBE▶ 7:17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsPV0oNjHRA

[TheBeYonder]

The article i posted was not written by me, but it was clearly referenced to who wrote it

(i did NOT include my own opinion on the article - i suggest you write the original author; to ask that question)

in my own opinion,
there are some jewish people on earth, who claim that other groups of so-called jewish people are NOT jews (they are namely zionists)

it is my opinion, in what i've seen and heard
and, also NOT finding out about Bill Hicks work, until after he died
- that there is a definite connection between Bill Hicks - becoming Alex Jones

[A.D.]

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@ A.D. — I understand and respect your earnest and passionate views, and your posts. But tell me (this is a sincere question, not a debating point) — how does this apply here?
Instead you allow dissenting information to be out there, you just control it and direct it and throw in a whole bunch of misdirection and disinformation to muddy the waters.

Most of what Alex Jones says, and has been saying for years, checks out for me. He's not just a preacher from the pulpit (though this is often his style) — he has reams upon reams of documentation.

Where's the false or misleading information? What is he saying that millions are gullibly believing? And if I'm being hoodwinked by him, how am I being 'controlled'? As above, these are serious and interesting questions.


Jones and infowars cover actual events (most of the time). Just as the 24/7 international mainstream news does. Yet the reason why most people are on a forum like PA, why the people here seek out alternative media, is because it's blatantly obvious that even though the mainstream media is covering real stories taking place (most of the time), the message is manipulated and sculpted and spun to work for the benefit of tptb who own the media specifically for that purpose.

Controlling information and directing public opinion and steering society has proven to be the greatest form of tyrannical control history has every seen. There's no need to pummel the people into submission through an iron fist, you can easily lull them into submission by what information you feed their minds and they'll happily lock themselves up into whatever construct of control you wish and proudly defend it.

It's proven to be beyond successful that through owning the majority of outlets of how information is disseminated, you can build quite an empire and have a brilliant built in mechanism / medium to easily dismiss any exposure or criticism of what you are doing.

It's proven beyond easy to feed the faults of man's ego, to feed fame and fortune and greed and self interest, to dismantle journalism's flimsy wall of ethics and integrity. The majority here would whole heartedly agree, that mainstream journalism has long since been corrupted and become a well oiled psychological machine to steer and direct society.

Why would the exact same tactics not be applied towards alternative media? The alternative media scene is by no means immune to these same faults of ego, and has just the same flimsy veneer of ethics and integrity as any field humans are involved in, because there will always be those who want fame and fortune and have no problem bending or giving in their moral fortitude to those who can offer it.

And while the majority here would all agree that mainstream media is a control mechanism, a huge portion of the planet, would strongly disagree and call all of us tin foil hat loons. Highly intelligent, well educated people... you want to talk about millions of gullible people... how bout hundreds of millions, or billions for that matter.

The reason so many people believe the mainstream media and turn to it to be told what's happening in their world and how they should feel and respond to things (whether they realize that or not), is because there is a history and a confidence built into the institution of media. Long before the rise of corporations and monopoly of media, people genuinely trusted the field of journalism. People in general are relatively trusting. Take the War of the Worlds example again. People's natural instinct was to assume a supposed voice of authority was telling them the truth. They had no reason to assume a hoax was being played on them. Why would governments or authoritative institutions do such a thing? Why would they purposefully cause a panic? They trusted the voice coming through the box and believed we had been invaded by aliens to the point of grabbing guns and running into the streets.

Billions of people have blindly believe what the media tells them because they seem to have some sort of confidence in it. With no confidence, it won't survive.

So if you want to control the alternative media, you have to try and imbibe that same confidence. And you build trust in the audience. You do this, that same way they do with mainstream news, you cover real stories and events (most of the time). Things that can be backed up with documentation and support.

Once you have some assemblance of confidence and trust form the audience, you have the necessary levers to move masses of people. Once you have trust, you can begin sculpting and altering the information you cover, and start directing and steering that mass of people.

And this is what Jones does. He directs and steers the audience. He uses very similar tactics as the mainstream media. He shouts and talks over and belittles any opposing view points. He interrupts and cuts off and cuts mics / phone calls. His delivery of beyond fabricated, beyond obnoxious and over the top emotional fits and seizures are designed to speak to the viewers emotion, not to their reason and rational mind. His job is to fire up the audience, to try and get the audience to match his frenzy. It's all a psychological mechanism designed to get a particular reaction from the viewer.

I just saw an article that speaks directly to this... this is apparently from a retired Major Ed Rouse on how psychological warfare works:

"A psychological warfare campaign is a war of the mind. Your primary weapons are sight and sound. PSYOP can be disseminated by face-to-face communication, audio visual means (television), audio media (radio or loudspeaker), visual media (leaflets, newspapers, books, magazines and/or posters). The weapon is not how its sent, but the message it carries and how that message affects the recipient."

http://www.psywarrior.com/psyhist.html

One of the main sources of success for tptb is conflict. It's no different then divorce attorneys, who will drag on a divorce lawsuit for years and years until eventually one side is depleted of funds and can't afford to continue. Then the case seems to magically get settled and the two opposing attorneys move on to yet another client to sap of resources. The same is done in global conflict. As long as their is conflict, tptb can thrive and succeed in pitting society against itself.

So Jones is a mechanism of conflict. He is put there to be an agent of hostility and aggression. He's like the comical cliche drill sargeant who is purposefully over the top to push his malleable young minds into a wild pack of frothing wild attack dogs. To push boys to the point of not thinking but just violently reacting.

It's coming to light more and more that in all these social uprisings we see across the globe, be they in the Ukraine or Ferguson, that people are being paid by the wealthy elite (Soros and the likes) to go out into peaceful protests and cause disruption and destruction. In the WTO riots in seattle, peaceful protests went on for about a week and the cops couldn't move in. That is until the masked "anarchists" showed up and started smashing and breaking things. That gave the cops the excuse to move in with batons and tear gas and rubber bullets and move the crowd.

Jones is the hired "protestor" sent into the crowd, with bullhorn in hand, to maintain conflict and aggression. He is an antagonizer, put there to push and push and provoke until eventually there's pushback. Now, many of us at some point in time have most likely been so outraged by what's happening in the world, by the blatant corruption and destruction and manipulation of life on this planet, that we've wanted to storm the gates and try and right these wrongs. And this natural anger towards hostilities and aggressions pushed onto all of us, is something that those who run the business of conflict need.

Think of it like the scene in Return of the Jedi, where Luke is on the death star with the Emperor, watching his friends and comrades being led into a trap on the battlefield and slaughtered. The Emperor implores Luke to feed into his anger and strike him down. That's what Jones is put in place to do. implore society to give in to hate and anger and aggression.

He is an agent of conflict. Yet another mechanism of divide and conquer tactics that work brilliantly well. Keep the masses fighting and arguing and in a frenzied state of anger.What Jones does is no different then what the Emperor does... tptb show you what they are doing and poke you and antagonize you and say "look what we are doing to you and your world, are you just going to sit there and take it??? Grab your weapons and your hatred and strike us down!"

Conflict and opposition. Works for attorneys and war mongers. And it works like a charm for controlling an entire planet.

And what is the common theme amongst world religions and philosophies...? The union of opposites. Unity. Wholeness, or "holiness".

Unity is not a good business model for those who run Conflict Inc.

[Bill Ryan]

Again, regardless of the particulars being discussed AJ's message is always fundamentally "Fill yourself with hate and fear."

But that's actually not the case. He frequently tells his listeners NOT to fall into the trap of resorting to violence against the police... etc. He points out (correctly) that that's precisely what the USG wants in order to foment divisiveness in the community and generate civil war, and/or martial law.

He regularly urges his audience NOT to get triggered and react mindlessly. That doesn't sound like a provocateur to me!

He's also been relatively calm about the widespread internet panic concerning Jade Helm, stating that it really IS an exercise (right now), but may be a precursor for things to come.

I'm not convinced that some of those here who feel critical (or dubious) about Alex often listen to his broadcasts. He's pretty easy to caricature, but caricatures are rarely very accurate.

[A.D.]

Again, regardless of the particulars being discussed AJ's message is always fundamentally "Fill yourself with hate and fear."

But that's actually not the case. He frequently tells his listeners NOT to fall into the trap of resorting to violence against the police... etc. He points out (correctly) that that's precisely what the USG wants in order to foment divisiveness in the community and generate civil war, and/or martial law.

He regularly urges his audience NOT to get triggered and react mindlessly. That doesn't sound like a provocateur to me!

He's also been relatively calm about the widespread internet panic concerning Jade Helm, stating that it really IS an exercise (right now), but may be a precursor for things to come.

I'm not convinced that some of those here who feel critical (or dubious) about Alex often listen to his broadcasts. He's pretty easy to caricature, but caricatures are rarely very accurate.

Yet he himself repeatedly gets triggered and reacts mindlessly. His actions and behavior often times speak far louder then his words. As for not resorting to violence... there was his whole take our guns and it will be 1776 national news spectacle, he sure seemed to be attempting to incite national violence... and his persona and his delivery is designed to evoke a fight or flight response. It's designed to cause a reaction in the viewer, and that reaction is not calm thoughtful rational thinking. People say he gets a little over emotional and over reacts, all of that is no different then how a pro-wrestler "over reacts". It's alarming to me that folks can't see terrifically bad acting when it's been on display for years now and you can document all the comically sad attempts at portraying real emotion.

[A.D.]

another glaring red flag for Jones... for a guy who is supposedly exposing the true nature of conspiracy, of the obvious fact that democracy and the two party system in america is a charade, that groups like the CFR and Bilderberger Group are the ones pulling the strings of the democrat and republican puppets, as are banking elites like Goldman Sachs... why is he endorsing and supporting Ted Cruz? Why is he endorsing or supporting any democrat or republican if he is aware of the factual and documentable deception that is US democracy? Something that he himself has documented and shown (see the last link below)

Why would he support Ted Cruz whose wife is a former CFR member and former managing director of Goldmans Sachs in Houston?

At some point in video in the OP, he even snarks at the woman asking him why he is disrupting the event and he says "did the democrats send you"

So how can a man supposedly exposing the true reality of the conspiracy of the oligarchy of the US and the world, then all the sudden pick a political candidate to side with or support and put down or belittle one side vs the other?

Once you've gone on record extensively for outing the fraud and illusion that is the US political /election system, you don't get to then backtrack and parrot the 'ol "well you gotta pick a lesser of two evils, that's how the system works" bs.

Could it be that Jones is just a clever businessman and he's just marketing and playing up to the large conservative fan base he's gained since Obama won? Perhaps... Or is he just another bought and paid for pawn promoting the agenda of tptb? Seems like given the 8 million dollar elephant in the room of why Jones is allowed to become the biggest name in alternative media for outing and exposing the corruption and deception of tptb, yet people like Bill Cooper or Michael Hastings get murdered, potentially might provide the answer to that question.

Is Ted Cruz The Answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKX-Z7dfbUY

Alex Jones: "Ted Cruz is strong!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpsKcBSO-w

Alex Jones: Okay, I'm "sold" on Ted Cruz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXnroAFYvnQ

all of that is completely contrary to his views in this video:

Alex Jones Explains How The Elite Control Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NJYNgM_IuE

[Hawkwind]

Again, regardless of the particulars being discussed AJ's message is always fundamentally "Fill yourself with hate and fear."

But that's actually not the case. He frequently tells his listeners NOT to fall into the trap of resorting to violence against the police... etc. He points out (correctly) that that's precisely what the USG wants in order to foment divisiveness in the community and generate civil war, and/or martial law.

He regularly urges his audience NOT to get triggered and react mindlessly. That doesn't sound like a provocateur to me!

He's also been relatively calm about the widespread internet panic concerning Jade Helm, stating that it really IS an exercise (right now), but may be a precursor for things to come.

I'm not convinced that some of those here who feel critical (or dubious) about Alex often listen to his broadcasts. He's pretty easy to caricature, but caricatures are rarely very accurate.

Well, in the first place I never said the message was "Fill yourself with hate and fear then start rioting." As for the rest of it, the messages of fear and hate are palpable. So much so, in fact, that I generally had to meditate for a while after listening to his broadcasts in order to detox. And yes, that's for the most part, past tense. I listened to AJ on a regular basis for about a year, but there came a point where I decided that no matter how much useful information I was getting from the process, it just wasn't worth wading through all the toxicity to get. During the period that I was listening to AJ regularly, I found myself getting angry when I discussed these topics. After I started getting my info from other sources that no longer tended to happen, and a whole lot more people were willing to listen to what I had to say.

I also never said that I consider him a provocateur ( although the line that he often used “The answer to 1984 is 1776.” is a fairly clear call for an armed revolution ). I consider him a agent of tptb working in the capacity of controlled opposition. The primary objective of someone filling that role would be to insure that any real opposition gets disrupted and redirected, which is exactly what seems to happen in the video presented in the original post. Beyond that, an agent working in such a capacity would tend to overlook or downplay the importance of any truly sensitive issues, which is (again) my perception of his handling of Jane Bergermeister. Finally, as describe in The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, one of the functions of a person working as controlled opposition would be to shout opposition so loudly that most people would grow tired of listening to it. Alex and his bullhorn fit that description perfectly.

Do I frequently listen to the man’s broadcasts? No, not anymore. Nor do I tend to listen to Fox News, CNN or Time magazine. That doesn’t make them any less tools of tptb.

[Bill Ryan]

there came a point where I decided that no matter how much useful information I was getting from the process, it just wasn't worth wading through all the toxicity to get. During the period that I was listening to AJ regularly, I found myself getting angry when I discussed these topics. After I started getting my info from other sources that no longer tended to happen, and a whole lot more people were willing to listen to what I had to say.

Understood. I do know he can be hard for some to listen to sometimes. At his very best he's inspiring, and at his worst he can be close to unbearable. (At least for short periods!) :)




the line that he often used “The answer to 1984 is 1776.” is a fairly clear call for an armed revolution

No... that's not what he means. He's manifestly AGAINST armed violence, or any kind of uprising. He states (correctly), over and again, that that's what the globalists want to justify their existing plans and intentions.

'1776' is simply referring to the needed mindset of high-moral-ground, principled sovereignty.




Beyond that, an agent working in such a capacity would tend to overlook or downplay the importance of any truly sensitive issues, which is (again) my perception of his handling of Jane Bergermeister.

Jane Burgermeister, as best I know, these days believes *I* am an agent of the cabal. For reasons of her own, she's pretty much taken every person in the alternative community she knows, including many who were greatly supportive of her, and has tarred them all with the same brush.

[shadowstalker]

]The article i posted was not written by me, but it was clearly referenced to who wrote it

(i did NOT include my own opinion on the article - i suggest you write the original author; to ask that question)

in my own opinion,
there are some jewish people on earth, who claim that other groups of so-called jewish people are NOT jews (they are namely zionists)


Thank you for your response.
If your not supportive of certain quotes that you have posted, it would help to let folks know this when you first post them lol
That's why I asked...

[princesslovercup]

I used to go to his website daily, for about a year. It got to be overwhelming with all of its fear-mongering, but I get it, because AJ was being overwhelmed with the sheer amount and scope of incoming info.

What we need to look at is the man himself. And this is where I gained my understanding of how he is 100% genuine, and speaks the truth (as he sees it).

Two specific recent incidents answered all my questions about his character-

1. He was a guest on the Coasttocoastam show with George Noory about 6 months ago, and he spoke from his heart. None of the latest earth-shaking news, nor any conspiratorial theories...just spoke about his deep feelings, on a very personal level.

(On this show he surprised me by saying he ultimately believes something huge, and very great is happening, on a global level, and he feels calm about it. I could, for the first time, feel how sincere he is and especially at peace with what he has concluded.)

2. Very recently he recorded another video which was on his site, in which he only speaks, again, about how he believes something huge is happening, and no mention of any of the traumatic-earthshaking events going on currently. Just his speaking calmly from his heart, and his asking people to respond as to whether they're getting this 'message' also...

I noticed about three years ago, the very people who've been spouting off all the calamitous events, who have been getting us in a dither, have begun to say exactly what AJ is now saying. I remember specifically when John Dean changed direction about 3 years ago, and how he moved me with his words.

Something huge is happening, and it's not got anything to do with wars and rumors of wars, and conspiracy theories, etc. Those who keep watching these types of things, will not see the BOAT when it comes around the bend.

I am convinced the only way we can change the world, and save humanity from total annihilation is to focus solely on peace and love.

[Hawkwind]

Jane Burgermeister, as best I know, these days believes *I* am an agent of the cabal. For reasons of her own, she's pretty much taken every person in the alternative community she knows, including many who were greatly supportive of her, and has tarred them all with the same brush.

I was completely unaware of that (and somewhat saddened by it). I did note a fairly pronounced shift in the general tone of her blog of late, but wasn't aware of the apparent extent her thinking/personality has changed. I do know tptb were hell bent on taking the woman out, one way or another for quite a while. I also (along with yourself, I believe) have first hand experience with being the target of psychic/psychotronic attacks. That might explain the change, but it's just conjecture on my part. In any case, she did the world a service by sticking her neck out to bring the contaminated vaccine story to light. Whatever the reason, I'm sorry to hear that she has turned on the people who helped her do so.

[joeecho]

If he's an actor, he'd be the finest actor the world has ever known.

Regardless of Alex, the greatest actors are never seen as actors. If they were, they would not be the greatest. ;)

[ZooLife]

AJ is like many agents of fortune, fine tuning his skills at fortune as he goes along.

Some will be fortunate to realize this while others will be, well, unfortunate.

[A.D.]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? How is this not behavior designed to work the audience up into a mindset of rage and hostility and anger? (for the record I did not make this yt vid nor have any association with the person, merely went looking for examples to illustrate the point)

Granted, obviously it is a montage of clips taken out of context, and a lot of the times where he is describing violent acts, he's doing his trademark fear mongering where he's making up entirely fictitious scenarios where you the viewer are being killed or tortured in a fema camp or by some nwo henchmen,... yet some other times he's describing violent acts he wants to offer in response.

He often times goes on these rants describing in great detail all the ways we will be tortured and killed. He goes into over the top frenzies to describe all the ways the nwo are going to cause us physical harm and he seems to almost get off on it as he revels in playing the role of a murdering nwo henchman and he gets to elaborate and paint vivid pictures of torture and pain that supposedly will be committed on all of us in these hypothetical scenarios. So the violent acts he is describing are his own creations, his own thoughts and ideas which he then gets to side step by saying "these are not things I would do or things I believe, I am merely speaking as the bad guys" all the while everything he just said came out of his mind, out of his imagination.

And the common refrain from the Jones apologist is "well he's just passionate or gets a little over emotional." Completely missing the reality of what is actually being done.

What he's doing through painting these fabricated pictures of violence perpetrated on the viewer, is designed to evoke anger in the viewer. It's designed as an assault on the viewers emotions,.. he goes into a frothing rant filled with rage, hostility and aggression talking about how people are coming to kill you and your family. What do you think that does to the viewer? What response does that evoke? It evokes hostility and rage in the viewer at the idea that anyone would even think of doing the things Jones is suggesting are going to be done to them and their family. When he makes up stories about how they are going to line your family up and shoot them, what is the purpose of saying such things if not to fill the viewer with rage and anger?

Imagine your reaction if someone walked up to you on the street and did the same thing... started going into a vivid, graphic, detailed monologue describing how someone was going to kill you and your family, and they got in your face seething and frothing and raving like a homicidal lunatic as if though they were the one who was going to do it?

After the cnn spectacle where his actions could very easily be seen as him attempting to incite violence, I'm pretty sure he had to do some PR damage control as he was most likely informed (probably by both the law and his handlers) that he could get in a lot of trouble for such things... so he had to tone down his rhetoric and now takes the more peaceful don't react with violence talking points. But when myself and others speak of Jones as promoting anger and hostility, I think it's more in line with the likes of his behavior in this video below, as opposed to him literally telling people to do something violent. He's evoking anger and hostility and negativity in his audience, and he is planting a subconscious seed of violence and reaction in the viewer when he goes on these completely fabricated monologues about how we are to be tortured and killed.




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[Becky]

Well AJ certainly isn't a human being connected to the divine feminine energies of the earth and Universe...he comes across as a rather sick, disconnected, controlled creature. Even if it's just for show and to get a response from people, he goes too far IMO.

[East Sun]

Alex is imitating what 'they' are, internally.

When someone proposes a real possibility based on his or her knowledge (the same as. Biblical prophesies) it may or may not happen, depending on the actions of the people concerned.

There is a real possibility of world wide genocide as indicated by the OWO proponents.
Does not mean we should run scared, but just be aware that these things could happen.

There are forces in effect that are working to see that it does not happen.

Keep adding the dots that are evident everywhere around the world.

In the meantime live and let live in your own personal lives.
Be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill Ryan]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all). :)

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

[Mike Gorman]

I have always responded to Mr Jones as an authentic voice of dissent - his earliest fumblings, which were actually very brave and audacious, point to an alternative journalist who sensed the enormous lies being promoted as mainstream common sense. Does he sometimes make errors? Yep, and he goes way over the top sometimes, but he represents an authentic voice of resistance - he invests in his own business and has cleverly grown it - how better to beat the mainstream **** weasels at their own game than to present a slick operation and run a media empire? I like Alex Jones and I don't mind who knows it.
This montage of passionate dislike is aimed at the new world order, the fascists, the automaton elite who have no compassion, who arranged 9/11 and who plot the demise of the 'useless eaters'. Yes it is ugly, but then the enemies of mankind are ugly also.

[princesslovercup]

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in?

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)


You're right. He has reached millions, and maybe some of those wouldn't have paid any attention if the material was presented in a less abrasive fashion.

There are many aspects to what is going on globally, hence the need for diversity in the delivery of every aspect.

Yaaaah to Alex Jones for his bravery- Yaaaah to you too, Bill, for the huge role you've played in getting certain info out.

We should all be focusing on what our individual tasks (and abilities) are, not criticizing other's delivery methods.

[princesslovercup]

Just an added note.....I feel we're approaching some huge Crisis-Level. Can't nail it, for it's not at all coming in clearly. I do have a strong sense that all who stay on their paths, will somehow be fine (whatever that means).

My oldest daughter, Brooke, doesn't say much but when she does, it's important. She told me yesterday that she believes also something HUGE is happening, and that it is like nothing any of us have ever experienced! (Maybe that's why so many of us feel we can't wrap our heads around this.)

[A.D.]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all). :)

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

[onawah]

I don't think it's a question of black or white; whether AJ is doing more harm than good I can't say--but there's some of both, and I think A.D. raises some good points.
It's certainly safe to say AJ could be doing a lot more good though (or someone else who would take his place--and I wish someone would), if he were setting a positive example by reining in his rage and transforming it into something positive that would help heal and empower himself and his followers, instead of all that interminable raging and spewing invective.
What that demonstrates to me is toxic male energy, accompanied by impotence and hopelessness, more than anything; regardless of what he may know and share in the form of information, I can't bear watching or listening to him, it makes me ill.
So if he's CoIntelPro, then I'd say he's repellent enough to discourage a lot of people from tuning into the truths he has to share, and for people who don't know where else to turn, that's a shame. That does seem to be one of the tactics of the controllers, the other being wrapping a lot of truth around some core lies in an attractive enough package so that even those who are pretty tuned in can be deceived, distracted or at least confused.
But if AJ is actually for Ted Cruz, etc.then I can't see how he's going to keep many of his followers. It looks like he's gone off the deep end on that one.
On the whole, I have to say the medium truly is the message to a great extent, and what Becky said...

Well AJ certainly isn't a human being connected to the divine feminine energies of the earth and Universe...he comes across as a rather sick, disconnected, controlled creature. Even if it's just for show and to get a response from people, he goes too far IMO.

[regnak]

great post bill 10/10

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[A.D.]

the best analogy for what Jones is, is Orwell's Animal Farm. The ending of the book perfectly exemplifies his flip flop from exposing the deception and charade of free democratic elections run by elite think tanks and bankers, to all the sudden supporting one political party and the charade of free elections and supporting elite think tanks and bankers.

At the end of Animal Farm, after the pigs had led a successful revolution against the unfair practices of the human farmers, the pigs took over the farm house and took control of the farm... and the other animals when realizing that nothing has really changed since the pigs took over, peered in through the farm house windows, and started to notice that the pigs were looking more and more like the same humans the pigs led a revolution against (see the 3:40 mark of the video).

For a long time now Jones has started to look more and more like the people he supposedly railed against. Always important to remember that a revolution is nothing more then a big display where the person does a complete 360 degree acrobatic flip, or revolution, and ends up in exactly the same spot they were when they started. Nothing changed but you did get a fun visual distraction.

ddzYTG-T6yg

[onawah]

Nothing fun about it!

[ZooLife]

the best analogy for what Jones is, is Orwell's Animal Farm. The ending of the book perfectly exemplifies his flip flop from exposing the deception and charade of free democratic elections run by elite think tanks and bankers, to all the sudden supporting one political party and the charade of free elections and supporting elite think tanks and bankers.

At the end of Animal Farm, after the pigs had led a successful revolution against the unfair practices of the human farmers, the pigs took over the farm house and took control of the farm... and the other animals when realizing that nothing has really changed since the pigs took over, peered in through the farm house windows, and started to notice that the pigs were looking more and more like the same humans the pigs led a revolution against (see the 3:40 mark of the video).

For a long time now Jones has started to look more and more like the people he supposedly railed against. Always important to remember that a revolution is nothing more then a big display where the person does a complete 360 degree acrobatic flip, or revolution, and ends up in exactly the same spot they were when they started. Nothing changed but you did get a fun visual distraction.



Agreed. The conundrum is a difficult one but the observation of the bigger picture bears fruit of this. The answer will only come from a massive and sustained Awakening.

Two songs that bear witness to this conundrum:

RE:

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

War what is it good for?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJOLH8WfCaY


Maybe I am wrong but I have not seen AJ convey this in any sustained and meaningful way. I just do not see him as part of a solution. That is not a permanent thought but it is how I feel about him currently.

[T Smith]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all). :)

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

In my estimation it is never a good idea to shoot the messenger. I get that you don't like Alex Jones. He's abrasive. He's crass. He gets angry. He's juvenile. He rants; he raves. And yes, he evokes anger and hatred... and sometimes even fear. But I would submit this is simply the nature of the message; this isn't creme puff information he's putting out. And for the most part, it's accurate information. As Bill Ryan pointed out, the things he talks about (which apparently are so offensive to many) are REAL. His analysis is valid. Yes, you have every right to be offended by it, but again, it is what it is. The subject matter is serious--dare I say, scary and hateful stuff? Eugenics, genocide, depopulation, culling, dumbing down the masses in preparation for mass management, psychopath elites that feed off human suffering, etc. I trust you are not sugar-coating the situation we human inhabitants of this planet are in. However you chose to interpret what's going on, it goes almost without debate we are all but chattel in a greater program Alex Jones (among others, via other methods and approach) are attempting to decipher and describe. That being so, are you not angry at times being the subject of abject social engineering? Does it not sometimes make you want to scream? (In the past ten years I'm sure you could find four minutes of my life where I have behaved like a complete imbecile as a direct reaction to these forces). Does it not (sometimes), no matter what degree of enlightenment and spiritual development you've achieved, evoke hatred toward those powers subjecting you to this form of numbing slavery? Are we all really so perfect?

I don't particularly care for every bit of theatrics Alex Jones employs to deliver his message. But it is much harder for me to criticize the actual message, or discredit the message simply because of the theatrics of the messenger. Do you also think David Knight is cointelpro and an agent of tptb? (Serious question). I would challenge you to think about that. Does he invoke hatred and fear with his message? If not, how do you reconcile that? He is broadcasting the exact same message, albeit with a gentler, different approach.

Sometimes its really not about the messenger. It's about the message.

[A.D.]

@ T Smith

See one of my earlier posts, I already addressed the obvious fact the Jones is covering real events. I don't know who david knight is, so can't speak to that.

As for not killing the messenger... are Bill O'Reilly and Fox News and Rupert Murdoch merely just messengers of the news? Should we not hold them accountable for their blatant propaganda and manipulation of information? I mean, by your definition, they like Jones, are but mere messengers and not at all responsible for the message they are relaying.

It's becoming more and more evident that the Pro Jones camp seems to miss the larger point in all this. Seem to be missing the point that controlling information is a proven tactic and a demonstrable fact of how society is controlled and the alternative media landscape, despite what anyone might think that because it's talking about exposing the elite that it's somehow immune to being controlled by them, has been just as controlled, if not more controlled. Seem to be missing the point of how psychology is used to brilliant degrees to control the minds of the masses through people like Jones or Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or any polarizing talking head with a microphone and big money behind them.

But the point most of the Pro Jones camp seems to be missing and not wanting to address.. is, and I'll repeat myself yet again,... how do you reconcile that jones is now supporting and endorsing not only a political candidate and party, but through that endorsement, he is also hypocritically supporting the charade of free democratic elections in the US, something he has spoken out against for years and made videos about. It's a HUGE part of the foundation of his career... exposing the fact that democracy and elections in the US are a tool of the elite to control the country. Another major part of the foundation of his career is going to Bilderberger meeting with his bullhorn and calling out groups like the bildrbergers and cfr for their guilt in manipulating and controlling elections and society. And through his endorsement of Ted Cruz he is supporting and endorsing the CFR as well as Goldman Sachs.

So he's revealed his hand and that he is officially in the pocket of the elite he claims to be fighting. Many of us have known this for a long time, and he's now proved it with his own actions and words.

So I don't at all understand how any self proclaimed "awakened" individual could continue to support and stand behind the man who has just shown he's not working for 'we the people' like he claims, and he's in bed with the same people he's been telling us for years are responsible for all the wrongs in the world.

Through his endorsement of Ted Cruz and all that comes with that, he just discredited his entire career. There's no recovery or excuse from that. You can't build a career of years and years and years of ranting and raving and fighting against and exposing the charade and control mechanism of fabricated elections and democracy in the US, and then all the sudden support it.

There's now no denying he's a paid for pawn for those groups who are heavily invested in the illusion of democracy and free elections in the US. You know, groups like the CFR and goldman sachs and such. Groups Cruz is quite affiliated with.

But the self proclaimed "awakened" Jones follower will somehow dodge and avoid this and try and reason it away, that it's some how ok for him to completely sell out pretty much the whole sum of his career, of his message and supposed goal of trying to help rid the world of the elite who oppress and control us as he goes on air to then give multiple ringing endorsements for the same elite and the same oppressive control mechanisms.

So to all you Jones fans, explain this. And also explain why he was allowed to become a multi-millionaire celebrity, while Bill Cooper and others have been murdered for doing exactly what Jones does.

I've already made my case and rambled on long enough a few times now and this debate is proving to be less and less interesting and more and more indicative that even in light of the above mentioned proof that Jones is a bought and paid for pawn, people still can't see with their "awakened" minds the reality of the wool that's been pulled over their eyes.

[Mike Gorman]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all). :)

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

What you are proposing is that people are being manipulated by AJ - Shock, horror! someone is revealing their opinions and presenting an alternative discourse-Of course it is intended to be persuasive! Point to an obvious example of Alex Jones being a planted agent of the 'system' or shut up and stop wasting everyone's time. You remind me of those lynch mob participants, wanting to tar & feather anyone who is a bit different, or who threatens your pet view of the world.You are intolerant of anyone gaining a voice, and being successful at the same time - plain envy and resentment. People can judge for themselves, they do not need you to tell them what is real, what is corrupt - you are being blatantly egotistic - It just comes over as being envious.

[onawah]

Blatantly egotistical, or blatantly knowledgeable....
It's interesting that the controllers were savvy enough to effectively use all that research and skill that the study of mind manipulation has amassed, and now they are grasping at straws by allowing AJ to support Cruz.
I'd say t shows how desperate they've become.
If anyone is bewildered by that, maybe they just need to read up on mind manipulation.

[A.D.]

@ galaxy horse

"Point to an obvious example of Alex Jones being a planted agent of the 'system' or shut up and stop wasting everyone's time."

I've done that. Please read again if you have not, the post of mine, #56, directly above your post,#57. Or better yet post #34. His endorsement of Ted Cruz, or any politician for that matter, is quite an obvious example.

As for wasting anyone's time... no one forced you to read any of this thread. In fact no one forced you to visit this forum. If you feel like this is a waste of time, then that's on you.

As for your hostility towards my thoughts on Jones, you clearly have not read what I've said and missed the point entirely. My contention with Jones is not because his view is different, or threatens my "pet view of the world", or because he's gaining a voice or success. Try reading what I've written, rather then just reacting from emotion because I am saying what you perceive to be as negative things about someone you admire.

The idea that I am envious of Jones, is again the same weak argument of "haters gonna hate" and attempts to dismiss valid criticism by simply suggesting that any criticism of any person is merely because of jealousy and envy. Far too often in this modern internet age, this meme is used to write off and dismiss and deflect any criticism of the actions and behavior of individuals. It's a very easy and weak argument to simply dismiss criticism as just jealously and not address the critique.

To suggest I am coming from a place of envy, shows you've either not grasped and/or not fully read what i've said, or you are attempting to deflect my criticism.

"You are intolerant of anyone gaining a voice, and being successful at the same time - plain envy and resentment."

Again, try reading and understanding the words I've written rather then just lobbing a completely false and absurd sweeping generalization insult coming either from emotion or an attempt to deflect.

[Hawkwind]

What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Well, for starts, they are only REAL from the perspective of my physical incarnation, and I’m as sure as I can be that my consciousness/spirit/soul will survive the death of my physical body. So, from the perspective of soul the only real problem or peril is overly identifying with my physical incarnation as the totality of who I am. What I do about that is practice mindfulness.

As for honoring my current incarnation and the various karmic predicaments that entails I work at:

1- Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Love thy neighbor as you love thyself.
2- Be the change you want to see in the world. Let your light shine.
3- Feed the good wolf. (For anyone not familiar with the reference, see below.)

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(btw- The realization that watching AJ wasn’t in line with this philosophy is in large part why I stopped.)

4- Having the stength to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.



Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

Agreed, the world would not be a better place if Alex didn’t exist. It also wouldn’t be a better place if Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger didn’t exist. The world wouldn’t be a better place if suffering didn’t exist, for that matter. I’m as sure as I can be that every soul on the planet incarnated at this particular time and place to have exactly the set of experiences we’re having in order to learn what we need to learn. Each of us has a role to play toward that end, whether that be Jesus or Judas or Hitler or Gandhi.

Perhaps a more interesting question (at least from my perspective) is- Would I be a better person if I had never listened to AJ? Again, no, but not so much because of what I learned from him in terms of how the world really works. As you said, that information is available elsewhere. The most important things I learned from Alex is that the manner in which you present information is often as important as the information itself, and that more people are likely to listen to what you have to say if you don’t look and sound like a raving lunatic.

[A.D.]

In the first video below, Jones outlines how presidents are but mere puppets controlled by the elite, and elections are an illusion, and now all the sudden he is endorsing and supporting someone running for that puppet position... not only that, but endorsing someone who is affiliated with the same elite, the CFR and Goldman Sachs and the Bush administration... his wife Heidi Cruz, was the VP of GOldman Sachs in Houston, a former CFR member and an economic adviosr for the W. Bush administration...but don't trust me, believe Jones's own website and reporters:

TED CRUZ’S WIFE IS A GOLDMAN SACHS VP
By Kurt Nimmo
October 2013
http://www.infowars.com/ted-cruzs-wife-is-a-goldman-sachs-vp/


"Now that we’re fed up with Obama, it is time for the next round of phony change. That change will likely be represented by reformulated Tea Party Republicans Ted Cruz and Rand Paul."

And who does Jones endorse and promote..? Why none other then Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.

What Kurt Nimmo should have said was: it is time for the next round of phony change. That change will likely be represented by reformulated Tea Party Republicans Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and promoted by Alex Jones.

But Nimmo didn't have all the info yet as that was way back in the past of 2013, before Jones would openly reveal himself as a sellout hypocrite traitor.

and there's this awesome gem:

" Ben Smith, writing for Politico, attempted to associate Cruz with Texas residents Ron Paul and Alex Jones in order to pass him off as a rightwing conspiracy theorist on the same page as fringe libertarians and starry-eyed constitutionalists. He is, of course, nothing of the sort."

So Ben Smith wriitng for Politico attempted to associate Cruz with Jones, yet Jones himself has proven he is associated with Cruz.

Interesting to note that in that infowars article, the comment section is closed, most likely due to everyone pointing out that Jones is a hypocrite and a liar working for tptb.

So in a comically awesome screw up, Jones's own writers, his own website has outed him as a liar, a hypocrite and an agent of tptb. Some excellent research by infowars shining the light on those who try and deceive and manipulate us... just turns out they were shining the light on their boss.

and p.s. you gotta love the video below of jones trying to say that Cruz and Paul aren't double agents who will back stab us, yet his own reporter says "the Cruz the warrior pitted against the establishment motif is another slick subversion " and Jones himself is promoting that slick subversion narrative that Cruz will dismantle the IRS and take on the establishment... if Cruz or Paul were to back stab us, they could ask Jones for the knives since he's already put them in the backs of his followers.

Alex's ship is sunk, he's shown he's in the pocket of the same elite he's supposedly been battling against... the CFR / Bush Cabal / Elite Banker Cabal.


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[A.D.]

in case for some reason Jones and infowars wise up and remove that article...

TED CRUZ’S WIFE IS A GOLDMAN SACHS VP
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 22, 2013


Senator Ted Cruz sidles up to Campaign for Liberty. Photo: Gage Skidmore

The establishment specializes in the old fashion bait-and-switch. It knows the people are sick and tired of government as usual and they want change. Obama was billed as Mr. Hope and Change. But once installed in the White House, he immediately continued and expanded the Bush agenda, that is to say the agenda of the political establishment. Barry, like his predecessor, is little more than a frontispiece, a teleprompter reader for the elite.

Now that we’re fed up with Obama, it is time for the next round of phony change. That change will likely be represented by reformulated Tea Party Republicans Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.

“The Republican establishment despises Ted Cruz. And that’s great news for the senator from Texas: It’s the most prominent sign that he’s the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination,” the National Journal opined last week.
The faux government shutdown with its intense partisan squabbling and meticulously orchestrated theatrics provided Cruz and the reformulated Tea Party Republicans with a stage to present themselves as the answer to politics as usual. According to the script, a staid GOP dominated by the likes of old guard John McCain and John Boehner is afraid of Cruz and the supposedly renegade faction of Tea Party activists in the House. But it’s all show business.

For all his allure as an outsider, Canada-born Ted Cruz is in fact an insider playing a role similar to the one Barack Obama played back in 2008 when his handlers portrayed him as the hope and change candidate out of nowhere.

Cruz’s insider connection is a family affair. His wife, Heidi, is a Goldman Sachs vice president in Houston, Texas, according to her LinkedIn profile. She also served as an economic advisor for the Bush administration. In 2011, a Cruz campaign spokesman portrayed Heidi as “an expert on North American trade,” in other words she is savvy when it comes to globalist transnational trade deals like NAFTA, the single most destructive government move against the American worker in history.

She was also a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations (see her bio at Claremont McKenna College), a position that expired prior to her husband’s attack on the globalist organization. In October, 2011, Ted Cruz reportedly characterized the CFR as “a pernicious nest of snakes” that is “working to undermine our sovereignty.” He previously called the CFR “a pit of vipers” during a speech delivered on October 13, 2011, to a Republican women’s group in Sugarland, Texas. Ben Smith, writing for Politico, attempted to associate Cruz with Texas residents Ron Paul and Alex Jones in order to pass him off as a rightwing conspiracy theorist on the same page as fringe libertarians and starry-eyed constitutionalists. He is, of course, nothing of the sort.

Like the domestication of the Tea Party and the expulsion of its more purist liberty-minded activists, the Cruz the warrior pitted against the establishment motif is another slick subversion directed at the political elite’s most puissant opposition – the real Tea Party and a threatening number of patriot activists gnawing at the edges of the political establishment.

[A.D.]

it seems that infowars and Jones aren't sharing the same talking points on Cruz... his reporters don't seem to share Alex's feelings on Ted Cruz at all

pretty damning when your own investigative reporters blow your cover

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@4:26 when he starts talking about Cruz specifically

[East Sun]

It's amazing how most people will zero in on the most negative things and then exaggerate them while mostly ignoring what is a thousand times more important. I enjoy the way Alec Jones lets off steam, which us a healthy way to deal with the 'enemy' he confronts daily. And to make things more difficult he has to deal with his detractors who must know, on some level, how right he is.

He sees clearly the severe problems that the US has to deal with or go under. He sees that there are those who are literally destroying the USA. In other words he sees the big picture. Could it be more plain?

He also knows that things will never be the same again but at least he tries.

[A.D.]

It's amazing how most people will zero in on the most negative things and then exaggerate them while mostly ignoring what is a thousand times more important. I enjoy the way Alec Jones lets off steam, which us a healthy way to deal with the 'enemy' he confronts daily. And to make things more difficult he has to deal with his detractors who must know, on some level, how right he is.

He sees clearly the severe problems that the US has to deal with or go under. He sees that there are those who are literally destroying the USA. In other words he sees the big picture. Could it be more plain?

He also knows that things will never be the same again but at least he tries.

go read the first post on this page and tell me about the "enemy" he confronts daily and how he's now openly doing their bidding.

"He sees that there are those who are literally destroying the USA" and he's on their bankroll.

[Phoenix1304]

Just wanted to chip in to thank AD for the outstanding posts. Filled with clarity, intelligence and insight. Those who need to read them twice, won't, of course. Brilliant effort nonetheless. Sorry to see you waste your precious energy responding to rudeness. While we are generally a spiritual lot, there are still Avalonians that need to learn the only enemy is within.

[ZooLife]

The most important things I learned from Alex is that the manner in which you present information is often as important as the information itself, and that more people are likely to listen to what you have to say if you don’t look and sound like a raving lunatic.

You have to look at his target audience to understand why he communicates the way he does.

[Sierra]

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory. :)

(NLP phrases used by A.D. in response to Bill's opinion above)

It's side stepping
merely suggest
It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here
not address the facts
merely saying
same sad, dismissive
merely a way
dismiss any actual, valid
just shrug off
just as dismissive
completely disregards
in no way addresses
those of us
manipulation
very obvious tactics
We are doing something
We are attempting
rest of the herd
We are attempting
obvious deception
sold to masses
We are digging
those psychological tactics
in fact, Bill,
even based
clearly designed
anger and hostility
you dodged
At no point
the clear psychological
the tactics used
steer and manipulate
beyond easy to fool
psychology of the masses
beyond easy to control
understand how to exploit
control society
really bad
ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad
I find it alarming
obvious corruption and deception
so easily deceived
same exact tactics
I find it alarming
so easily swayed
clearly not
poisoned


That is some of the most impressive NLP conflation I have ever seen.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh dear ... another thread died and someone forgot to bury it. OK ... I'll tend to business now ... this thread is closed.
http://www.transportationissuesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/R.I.P.jpg
My essential reason for closing this thread is that it is a distraction. I do not know whether or not there is important substance buried somewhere above. There may well be. But such controversial subjects are always at risk of sparking more Sturm und Drang (German for “Storm and Stress”) than insight or useful sharing, and this thread is just such an example.

If you're one of those who knows of important substance buried above, and who is willing to make a modest effort to present it in a more useful manner, you're welcome to give it a try.