New Age and Religious Cons Aimed at Making Us Passive - An alternative view

[darthtoaster]

On the advice of Dennis Leahy, I begin this thread under the Mind Control theme because its the closest category I can find to what I want to propose for consideration. I personally hold an alternative view to what I would call the militant approach to change (of the system). In essence, I am voluntarily splitting the thread and I do so not believing its the right thing to do (I think discussions, as long as they are polite, should be free flowing, spontaneous and dynamic) but because I was basically told to grin, and I will comply.

The specific topic is the idea of turning the other cheek. Here is the idea in full with some context ...

Matthew 5: 38-40

38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39" But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also"

I propose the following interpretation.

First, this advice is advice on personal conduct. It is specific to personal conduct. It is an expansion of the idea in the following ...

Matt 5: 43-44

43 “ You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

My basic premise is this. Look at history and the present. The Romans held public spectacles by which gladiators fought for the public pleasure. The same phenomenon occurred previously, it occurred after and it occurs this very day. Our video games, our cinematic entertainment, our books,, comics ... everything is designed to make us militant. It is my premise that an extremely small controlling group has consolidated their power, with the assistance of off world entities, and have isolated and insulated themselves from society. One of the prime methods they have from maintaining the illusion that they do not exist is to inundate us with material such as the Bible, Koran, "inspiration" via electronic mind control and feeds to individuals, the aforementioned entertainment venues and so on to essentially keep us "fighting amongst ourselves". As such, the primary mmethod one might use is to refrain from what they would have us do.

I will be clear. I am a firmer military pilot. I bought the big lie as a youth. I'm a highly skilled (instructor) Close Air Support pilot, a trained Forward Air Controller, i have extensive training in multiple martial arts and so on. I own guns. However, I have been brought around so to speak. I quit the military. I quit the industry and the crowd. I'm a truck driver now. I travel the United States unarmed. And I will protect myself and others from harm but from a defensive mindset. I am not an aggressor nor do I initiate confrontation. It might be said that i do not turn the other cheek in a literal fashion and to this I would agree. But it is the premise that is important to me - diffuse situations that arise. I do send energy to those who have the appearance of enemies. And so on.

I realize this is likely to be a short lived thread. I realize my days here are probably numbered grin. But I will not leave voluntarily but will leave if I am asked. If so, I would ask that I at least be allowed to post my email for those who have interest and input on this approach.

In conclusion, I believe that the promotion of violence within our societies is not only an agenda of distraction from the existence of our controllers but also is part of a larger agenda - to keep us from ascension, and thus perpetuate the system as it stands. We could leave if we desired, a simply don't realize that ...

My best to all. David

[Cristian]

I realize this is likely to be a short lived thread. I realize my days here are probably numbered

Why do you say that ? I find your thread interesting and refreshing .:beer:

[ceetee9]

Hi David,

First, I want to commend you for your courage, inner strength, questioning spirit, and soul searching that led you to your decision to walk away from a career in the military. I am sure that it was a difficult decision on many levels.

I agree with your assessment. I also think that if a person was truly honest with themselves and seriously investigated and questioned with an open mind the history of, and their beliefs in, religion and governments--particularly with respect to resolving issues through divisiveness, coercion, violence and wars--that they too would see a very diffferent world from the one they've been brainwashed and manipulated into believing existed. I feel like so many of our problems are caused by ourselves by not questioning anything and blindly accepting (and following) whatever we're told--for whatever reason.

Perhaps if more of us started thinking for ourselves, looking more within than without, and questioning things before acting on them, we just might be able to create the kind of world that we all dream of living in--all but the controllers and psychopaths that is. ;)

Craig

[Jhonie]

The mind control has been around for eons just in different forms. New age, old age just the same old ***t.

[darthtoaster]

Hi Cristian, I'm still here grin. I may not be numbered. So I will continue. Much goodness to you

[darthtoaster]

Hi Craig, here's how difficult it was lol.

I did it once, just walked out and my wife had a fit. Threatened divorce. So I went back. One year later, I walked out again, and said "I'm not going back". We are now divorced :) Now, to be fair to her, she is not into this knowledge I seek. 9-11 isn't an inside job to her. And so on. She doesn't understand me. Thinks I'm crazy. That's OK. We're both happier now.

Things were rough financially for years. But get this - after working hard, I own my own truck and make more now than I ever could have then :) My son turned out great. He just took his ACT and basically maxed it out :) All except math, he scored a 30. And he loves me and enjoys spending time with me.

Life is good. 15 years in the military and I have zero benefits, retirement, etc. I wouldn't want it. I never reported for my yearly inactive reserve muster and they never bothered me about it. Its been over 10 years. They don't want to hear from me again. I raised h*ll when I left. There was a lot of bad stuff going on on many levels.

[darthtoaster]

I've been considering deeply today how I might conclude my thoughts on this. Clearly, there isn't going to be a discussion. Really, that would be expected. This idea of love balanced against force, in a reality such as this, is a paradox. I believe the paradox is solvable, so here is my attempt at that.

The problem of humanity can be simplified to only two aspects - one, we exist in societies which are controlled through malevolent means by malevolent beings, and two, the majority of humanity seems to get off on it. That's putting it bluntly. I would propose the following question for thought only - If the control system and those who manipulate it were removed, what would happen? I propose that it would be a brutal, chaotic mess, even more so than our orderly, cyclical mess now. So, any answer must in my opinion, factor in the apparent immaturity of humanity at large when trying to solve the big problem of corrupt entities running a corrupt societal machine for personal gain.

Here's some information that can shed light on the subject. First, we live in a program. People from diverse backgrounds such as Tom Campbell (computational reality), Stephen Wolfram (cellular automata programs underlying reality), Ray Kurzweil (AI) and Nick Bostrom (probability among other things) all argue persuasively for different aspects of what appears to be a quantized, computational reality. There are many others.

Second, every aspect of this reality is programmed. That includes aliens.

Third, a controller group has and has had access to holographic projection and electronic mind control capability - basically the ability to present realistic experiences such as alien interactions, supernatural occurrences and so on. There is no way to tell for sure just what is what, who is right, what is right and so on. The more we seem to know the more confusing the situation becomes.

Forth, and this is extremely important - the key aspect of this programmed reality is that it is essentially a demonstration of an actual series of events that occurred previously. Its not an experiment, it is a programmed replication of an experiment that went really wrong. The purpose then of this reality is an external purpose.

Fifth, because the purpose of all this is external, each individual being exists with a set of biases inherent to their makeup which makes them who they "are". The reason sshould be apparent - in order to demonstrate what occurred before, the beings within this reality, us, had to act as they acted, within certain boundaries. The implication is this - when we speak of controlling entities, including outside alien influences, whether benevolent or malevolent, who seem to function without a conscience, it is because they were programmed to be that way. Its kind of hard to blame someone for doing what they were programmed to do.

Finally, a certain small percentage of "us", to include aliens, have developed true self awareness - in other words, rather than being robotic organisms going through the motions of a predetermined life, this small group are actually valid life forms according to external criteria. As such, we can't just be turned off like we might turn off a Sims computer game. We have rights. Based on certain degrees of freedom which were designed into us to provide the appearance of spontaneity and realism, theoretically every one of us could achieve true self awareness (measured by a more demanding external standard), but not many have nor is it expected that many ever will. Blindly following ones programming is "easier" - the path of least resistance.

As such, the logical approach to this, in my opinion, seems to be a dissemination of these details of our existence to provide the catalyst for at least the potential for people to break their programming as well as a concentrated focus on self development. Again, theoretically, for those who achieve true awareness, it should be possible to meld that consciousness with the programming of the larger "real" universe, itself a program ...

To me, the only reasonable course of action is one of independence of spirit, forgiveness, understanding, tolerance, self protection, dissemination of information, and personal development, all of which can be done within the system which exists now. Obviously, this is only one approach. Each person must make their own decisions to the degree that they are capable of making them.

[etheric underground]

Im an ex special forces soldier, who agrees that passively allowing everything to be in a bliss bubble wont change this planet.
Have you watched/listened to Mark passio and michael tsarion and laura eisenhower, none of these true warriors are new age mumbo jumbo illusionists but
condone the need for people to stand strong and utilize our anger and frustration in positive ways.
I realise Im here for a purpose and I will continue to change this planet with passion and vigor..much respect for your waking up brother.

[Ewan]

I'd say your OP was spot on Darth, more power to you.

[darthtoaster]

Thanks etheric and respect returned. Peace and wellness to you and your family, and beyond :)

[darthtoaster]

The Matrix cannot tell us who we are ... Trinity
(Paraphrased)

I was watching Bill interview David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. David it seems to me is overflowing with positivity. I enjoyed experiencing that. I believe change will come as he describes :)

Peace Anakie, and personal power. Thank you.

[SeymourVandal]

Darth Toaster - I love it! It's like a mash-up of StarWars and Battlestar Galactica! Funny thing about toast, it comes from bread, which comes from infected grass mush. We're taught to value our 'daily bread', but it's one of the least desirable 'foods' to eat! (I'm speaking from gastric experience here) Bread is made from wheat that contains something else, and that's all we need to know.

They call it yeast in the bakery, but they call it bacteria in the lab. It doesn't matter what we call it - we need to see it for what it is, and by the effects it has on us. Obviously, my own experience is unique but there are cultures that don't infect their food prior to eating it. This is the real mind control, buddy - they just stop us from perceiving reality for what it is - that's all. They don't have to manufacture any 'schemes' on purpose - our own innocent imaginations do that for them because we can only think in ways that our language and culture allows. This goes deep and is hard to talk about - my ideas aren't very complex - I'm just not a very good writer.

I've read enough of your work to know that we share a lot of the same experience - spiritually. I'd like to write more, but it's difficult for me to focus when you've brought up so many great points of interest. I'll try to pop a few words in here and there in reply to your posts as time goes by.

I wish I had my chapter on 'time' finished so you could check it out - time is easy to understand when you see it for what it is - it's just something 'we' made up to record our trips around the sun. When you approach it like that and you take it apart - you see it's just a machine that somebody made up - and they designed it purposely to trick us.

[JChombre]

On the advice of Dennis Leahy, I begin this thread under the Mind Control theme because its the closest category I can find to what I want to propose for consideration. I personally hold an alternative view to what I would call the militant approach to change (of the system). In essence, I am voluntarily splitting the thread and I do so not believing its the right thing to do (I think discussions, as long as they are polite, should be free flowing, spontaneous and dynamic) but because I was basically told to grin, and I will comply.

The specific topic is the idea of turning the other cheek. Here is the idea in full with some context ...

Matthew 5: 38-40

38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39" But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also"

I propose the following interpretation.

First, this advice is advice on personal conduct. It is specific to personal conduct. It is an expansion of the idea in the following ...

Matt 5: 43-44

43 “ You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

My basic premise is this. Look at history and the present. The Romans held public spectacles by which gladiators fought for the public pleasure. The same phenomenon occurred previously, it occurred after and it occurs this very day. Our video games, our cinematic entertainment, our books,, comics ... everything is designed to make us militant. It is my premise that an extremely small controlling group has consolidated their power, with the assistance of off world entities, and have isolated and insulated themselves from society. One of the prime methods they have from maintaining the illusion that they do not exist is to inundate us with material such as the Bible, Koran, "inspiration" via electronic mind control and feeds to individuals, the aforementioned entertainment venues and so on to essentially keep us "fighting amongst ourselves". As such, the primary mmethod one might use is to refrain from what they would have us do.

I will be clear. I am a firmer military pilot. I bought the big lie as a youth. I'm a highly skilled (instructor) Close Air Support pilot, a trained Forward Air Controller, i have extensive training in multiple martial arts and so on. I own guns. However, I have been brought around so to speak. I quit the military. I quit the industry and the crowd. I'm a truck driver now. I travel the United States unarmed. And I will protect myself and others from harm but from a defensive mindset. I am not an aggressor nor do I initiate confrontation. It might be said that i do not turn the other cheek in a literal fashion and to this I would agree. But it is the premise that is important to me - diffuse situations that arise. I do send energy to those who have the appearance of enemies. And so on.

I realize this is likely to be a short lived thread. I realize my days here are probably numbered grin. But I will not leave voluntarily but will leave if I am asked. If so, I would ask that I at least be allowed to post my email for those who have interest and input on this approach.

In conclusion, I believe that the promotion of violence within our societies is not only an agenda of distraction from the existence of our controllers but also is part of a larger agenda - to keep us from ascension, and thus perpetuate the system as it stands. We could leave if we desired, a simply don't realize that ...

My best to all. David


Dear Darktoaster / David,

Thank you for your post that, from my perspective, is truly excellent. Also, thank you for your attempt to get forum members to engage into free, honest, polite discussions. It is a noble attempt and I hope that the idea will catch up and more people will be willing to truly engage in honest discussions.

I have noticed that you replied to most people who posted something on your thread and I like that. It shows decency, respect and appreciation for forum members who take the time to write back to those who post in the thread that you have created. I have very limited experience with forums (or should it be fora in latin?) but I truly believe that thread originators should make an effort to be involved in the discussion generated by their original posts. Otherwise, the thread is just a wild fire with a very short life; and a waste of time for everyone involved.

Now, why do you think that your life will be short in this forum? I am honestly intrigued by that feeling because I'm still learning to navigate in a forum. I personally think that you have a lot to offer to this body with your life experience and honesty. So far what I have seen in your posts is that you bring something tangible, real to the table; you don't hide behind shallow esoteric lingo. Also, remember that I suggested that you start a thread about how you became a channeler. I am sure that several people would be interested to hear your story...So, my friend I hope stick around for a long time.

Now, the idea of "turning the other cheek" can be justified spiritually because the person who is presenting the other cheek will not incur karma; and consequently he/she will stop the karmic cycle with his/her opponent. I personally believe in turning the other cheek in some situations but I also believe that every person has the right to defend himself.

Many blessings,

JC

[darthtoaster]

Well thank you for the encouragement. It was a pleasure to read your thoughts. I agree entirely with your thoughts on turning the other cheek. It takes a big soul to do it, but interrupting the karmic cycle is an incredibly powerful tool. I enjoy your insight.

Channeling. I may have missed one of your posts. How I got started. Its a long story. I will try to be succinct.

1999 - the birth of my son. He was premature and was put in special care immediately because he would stop breathing and would have to be revived. This went on for hours. I knew he was going to die. So, while I wasn't a religious person, I looked up during one of his breathing episodes and said aloud - "I don't know if you're there but if you are, I need help and I need it now."

Instant response, a commanding, completely assured voice in my head - "He needs to eat" and I received what I now call a snapshot vision - I saw the little bottles of his mothers milk that were waiting for him in a refrigerator. She was recovering and using a breast pump. They had him on an IV and wouldn't feed him otherwise because they said it would complicate his breathing problems.

I approached the staff about giving him the milk and was flatly rejected. His breathing episodes worsened. I approached them again. Same rejection. I became angry. They threatened to have me thrown out of the hospital. I'm shortening the story here.

At a shift change, a doctor came walking down the hall and I knew he was the guy in charge. Just knew. So I stepped in front of him blocking his way, explained the situation quickly and stated that my son needed his mothers milk or he would die. The doctor confirmed that he had already been told about the situation and began the same line about it not being good and then stopped mid sentence, staring blankly, then came back to reality and said - "Yes, we can do that." :)

We warmed a bottle of milk, a nurse helped me and I used an eyedropper to feed my son. Full recovery, we left the hospital and went home 24 hours later.

2001, Sept 11 - I was driving in to work (I was still an instructor pilot then) and was not looking forward to the awful day ahead of me. I was lamenting this in my mind when I heard the same voice from 1999. "Its not going to matter." It had been over two years since I heard that voice. They said it three times. Sure enough, our attention was diverted and we went on alert when the 9-11 thing occurred. My "bad day" had not mattered, overwhelmed by events.

I didn't hear from these guys again until May 1, 2010 (there are two of them). Earlier the previous day I had spoken with a fellow truck driver who was having a really rough time (obviously by this time I had left the military and was driving truck). This guy was in really bad shape. Physically bad shape, drunk, just bad all the way around. And I told him I believed I was told to approach him, and that he needed to take some time off and get off the road, that I had had hard times too and the only cure is to recover before going back to work and trying again. I didn't get his name but I did touch his shoulder to encourage him and he agreed and said he would get a room and recover.

Well later that night I got my next load and was driving north on I-35 towards Dallas. It was just after midnight. A huge lighted space opened to my right side, while I was driving, and there was this gigantic being standing there looking at me. Easily eight feet tall or more, perfect musculature, just magnificent. His face always seemed to have a slight shadow. Never got to see his face. He communicated telepathically. It was perfectly clear. The gist of what he said was that I needed to speak in tongues, urgently. So I opened my mouth and nothing happened. I just couldn't do it. So he moved next to me and touched my shoulder, and it just flowed. Five words, three Latin and two I'm not sure. He said repeat them over and over, for "Tom". I didn't know who Tom was. So he flashed a snapshot in my head of the truck driver I had spoken to that morning. Then he disappeared. I did this for forty minutes or so just driving along. Then I heard him again - "It is finished." So I stopped. I drove along in silence. Probably 10 or 15 minutes later the same space opened up to my right. It was weird being in vision and in reality at the same time. The same gigantic guy was standing there and there was a young, naked man as well, normal human size. The lower half of his body was obscured by mists. I didn't recognize him until I looked at his nose - a very unique nose. It was a young (late twenties) version of the truck driver I had spoken to that morning. Tom. He communicated telepathically too - "Thank you" with a huge joyous grin. Then he turned and ran away into the mists, with gigantic guy floating along behind him. They disappeared and the space closed once again.

I've spoken about this on several forums over the years and people say I'm making it up, say Iwas high, they say all kinds if things. It ddoesn't go over well. But that's how it all began. I wasn't high, I don't use intoxicants. That night I had taken a single caffeine pill to stay alert and I do smoke cigarettes.

Anyway, almost as soon as Tom and his guardian disappeared, another space opened, this time right in front of me. There were two gigantic guys there standing next to each other. These guys were more slender. Their faces were in shadows as well. I never clearly saw their faces. And for almost four hours we just talked. I would ask questions and they would answer. Its these guys who had been the voice at my sons birth and in 2001. Come to find out they've been with me my whole life. To take away some of the mystery, they're my older brothers from a lineage way back in the past. They love their little brother :)

We talked about a lot of things. None of the answers were what I expected, they were unique and novel. About two hours into this, they abruptly stop communicating and look up and to their left, directing my attention there, up and over my right shoulder. And up there was Jesus. I know him now as Yehoshuah. So he's real enough if we are to believe my experience but we have a lot of misconceptions about him. He desires no worship, he's not who we think he is, etc. I don't feel the need to go into detail about that or challenge beliefs. He's cool, very wise, looks a little different than we portray him and he has his work to do which he does just like all the rest of us if we've shaken off our slumber.

There's a lot I'm leaving out but there has to be an end to this post.

Over five years now I've had a constant communication with these guys and a lot of others like Lawrence Welk, Pat Tillman, Richard Pryor, just to name some familiar names and some ordinary non famous people too who are spiritually "up there". Really great folks. Very wise, kind, compassionate ...

They took their time but eventually brought me out of a religious mindset. We live in a computer program. It is possible to ascend and become like them. They have confirmed the existence of numerous alien species, all of them in the same computer program with us, they confirmed the existence of a human exchange program with a race they call the Tans (as opposed to the greys). There is a definite karmic aspect to our program and there is communication outside the program with beings there. The work is ongoing to design an interface to allow ascended beings to come out of here and enter the "real universe" but its recognized that too is a program, just a much more exquisite one.

And there you have it :)

Be well JC

[Maunagarjana]

If you ask me, it's those damn Taoist teachings that have made people passive.
Damn you, Lao Tzu and your passiveness inducing mind control! ;)

[JChombre]

Well thank you for the encouragement. It was a pleasure to read your thoughts. I agree entirely with your thoughts on turning the other cheek. It takes a big soul to do it, but interrupting the karmic cycle is an incredibly powerful tool. I enjoy your insight.

Channeling. I may have missed one of your posts. How I got started. Its a long story. I will try to be succinct.

1999 - the birth of my son. He was premature and was put in special care immediately because he would stop breathing and would have to be revived. This went on for hours. I knew he was going to die. So, while I wasn't a religious person, I looked up during one of his breathing episodes and said aloud - "I don't know if you're there but if you are, I need help and I need it now."

Instant response, a commanding, completely assured voice in my head - "He needs to eat" and I received what I now call a snapshot vision - I saw the little bottles of his mothers milk that were waiting for him in a refrigerator. She was recovering and using a breast pump. They had him on an IV and wouldn't feed him otherwise because they said it would complicate his breathing problems.

I approached the staff about giving him the milk and was flatly rejected. His breathing episodes worsened. I approached them again. Same rejection. I became angry. They threatened to have me thrown out of the hospital. I'm shortening the story here.

At a shift change, a doctor came walking down the hall and I knew he was the guy in charge. Just knew. So I stepped in front of him blocking his way, explained the situation quickly and stated that my son needed his mothers milk or he would die. The doctor confirmed that he had already been told about the situation and began the same line about it not being good and then stopped mid sentence, staring blankly, then came back to reality and said - "Yes, we can do that." :)

We warmed a bottle of milk, a nurse helped me and I used an eyedropper to feed my son. Full recovery, we left the hospital and went home 24 hours later.

2001, Sept 11 - I was driving in to work (I was still an instructor pilot then) and was not looking forward to the awful day ahead of me. I was lamenting this in my mind when I heard the same voice from 1999. "Its not going to matter." It had been over two years since I heard that voice. They said it three times. Sure enough, our attention was diverted and we went on alert when the 9-11 thing occurred. My "bad day" had not mattered, overwhelmed by events.

I didn't hear from these guys again until May 1, 2010 (there are two of them). Earlier the previous day I had spoken with a fellow truck driver who was having a really rough time (obviously by this time I had left the military and was driving truck). This guy was in really bad shape. Physically bad shape, drunk, just bad all the way around. And I told him I believed I was told to approach him, and that he needed to take some time off and get off the road, that I had had hard times too and the only cure is to recover before going back to work and trying again. I didn't get his name but I did touch his shoulder to encourage him and he agreed and said he would get a room and recover.

Well later that night I got my next load and was driving north on I-35 towards Dallas. It was just after midnight. A huge lighted space opened to my right side, while I was driving, and there was this gigantic being standing there looking at me. Easily eight feet tall or more, perfect musculature, just magnificent. His face always seemed to have a slight shadow. Never got to see his face. He communicated telepathically. It was perfectly clear. The gist of what he said was that I needed to speak in tongues, urgently. So I opened my mouth and nothing happened. I just couldn't do it. So he moved next to me and touched my shoulder, and it just flowed. Five words, three Latin and two I'm not sure. He said repeat them over and over, for "Tom". I didn't know who Tom was. So he flashed a snapshot in my head of the truck driver I had spoken to that morning. Then he disappeared. I did this for forty minutes or so just driving along. Then I heard him again - "It is finished." So I stopped. I drove along in silence. Probably 10 or 15 minutes later the same space opened up to my right. It was weird being in vision and in reality at the same time. The same gigantic guy was standing there and there was a young, naked man as well, normal human size. The lower half of his body was obscured by mists. I didn't recognize him until I looked at his nose - a very unique nose. It was a young (late twenties) version of the truck driver I had spoken to that morning. Tom. He communicated telepathically too - "Thank you" with a huge joyous grin. Then he turned and ran away into the mists, with gigantic guy floating along behind him. They disappeared and the space closed once again.

I've spoken about this on several forums over the years and people say I'm making it up, say Iwas high, they say all kinds if things. It ddoesn't go over well. But that's how it all began. I wasn't high, I don't use intoxicants. That night I had taken a single caffeine pill to stay alert and I do smoke cigarettes.

Anyway, almost as soon as Tom and his guardian disappeared, another space opened, this time right in front of me. There were two gigantic guys there standing next to each other. These guys were more slender. Their faces were in shadows as well. I never clearly saw their faces. And for almost four hours we just talked. I would ask questions and they would answer. Its these guys who had been the voice at my sons birth and in 2001. Come to find out they've been with me my whole life. To take away some of the mystery, they're my older brothers from a lineage way back in the past. They love their little brother :)

We talked about a lot of things. None of the answers were what I expected, they were unique and novel. About two hours into this, they abruptly stop communicating and look up and to their left, directing my attention there, up and over my right shoulder. And up there was Jesus. I know him now as Yehoshuah. So he's real enough if we are to believe my experience but we have a lot of misconceptions about him. He desires no worship, he's not who we think he is, etc. I don't feel the need to go into detail about that or challenge beliefs. He's cool, very wise, looks a little different than we portray him and he has his work to do which he does just like all the rest of us if we've shaken off our slumber.

There's a lot I'm leaving out but there has to be an end to this post.

Over five years now I've had a constant communication with these guys and a lot of others like Lawrence Welk, Pat Tillman, Richard Pryor, just to name some familiar names and some ordinary non famous people too who are spiritually "up there". Really great folks. Very wise, kind, compassionate ...

They took their time but eventually brought me out of a religious mindset. We live in a computer program. It is possible to ascend and become like them. They have confirmed the existence of numerous alien species, all of them in the same computer program with us, they confirmed the existence of a human exchange program with a race they call the Tans (as opposed to the greys). There is a definite karmic aspect to our program and there is communication outside the program with beings there. The work is ongoing to design an interface to allow ascended beings to come out of here and enter the "real universe" but its recognized that too is a program, just a much more exquisite one.

And there you have it :)

Be well JC


Wow Darktoaster,

Thank you so much for sharing your life information with us here. I would like you to know that I "know" that you are telling the truth. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that.

You started with the story of your son in the hospital and I find that very interesting because after my first son was born, they put him in the UV light and I could see him across the big glass window as I stood outside the room. Up to that point, my wife and I had struggled choosing a first name for him because it had to be a name that could be said comfortably in English, French and German to accommodate family members in both our families. So, I am at the hospital around 3:00AM completely exhausted, looking at this little boy and wondering what name to give him when I heard him tell me: "I am an Arthur." It was a clear as a whistle, so that's his name.

There is something else that you said that strikes a cord with me. You say that you can not clearly see their faces, and I have had the same thing over and over again starting when I was a child. I can never see their faces, it is always blurred.

I am excited about your story so I am all over the place. Have you been able to contact Tom afterwards? What had happened to him? You said that you saw a younger version of him, so does it mean that he die?

I think in a previous post you said that you were not a religious person and that is very interesting in itself given that you live in Utah. Then, Yehoshuah honored you by contacting you; so are you a religious person now in the sense of going to church and stuff? By the way, I "know" that you are telling the truth about Jesus contacting you.

So now are you in control of the contact process with your other two brothers from a different lineage? I mean, can you sit down and initiate contact or do they come when they want and you just go along?

People are now talking about something eminent happening in 2016-2017 have you received any information on that? What really happen on December 21, 2012?

Thank you so much and forgive me for all these questions. I will post something that I read from the WingMakers about our programed reality.

Many blessings to you.

JC

[JChombre]

I've been considering deeply today how I might conclude my thoughts on this. Clearly, there isn't going to be a discussion. Really, that would be expected. This idea of love balanced against force, in a reality such as this, is a paradox. I believe the paradox is solvable, so here is my attempt at that.

The problem of humanity can be simplified to only two aspects - one, we exist in societies which are controlled through malevolent means by malevolent beings, and two, the majority of humanity seems to get off on it. That's putting it bluntly. I would propose the following question for thought only - If the control system and those who manipulate it were removed, what would happen? I propose that it would be a brutal, chaotic mess, even more so than our orderly, cyclical mess now. So, any answer must in my opinion, factor in the apparent immaturity of humanity at large when trying to solve the big problem of corrupt entities running a corrupt societal machine for personal gain.

Here's some information that can shed light on the subject. First, we live in a program. People from diverse backgrounds such as Tom Campbell (computational reality), Stephen Wolfram (cellular automata programs underlying reality), Ray Kurzweil (AI) and Nick Bostrom (probability among other things) all argue persuasively for different aspects of what appears to be a quantized, computational reality. There are many others.

Second, every aspect of this reality is programmed. That includes aliens.

Third, a controller group has and has had access to holographic projection and electronic mind control capability - basically the ability to present realistic experiences such as alien interactions, supernatural occurrences and so on. There is no way to tell for sure just what is what, who is right, what is right and so on. The more we seem to know the more confusing the situation becomes.

Forth, and this is extremely important - the key aspect of this programmed reality is that it is essentially a demonstration of an actual series of events that occurred previously. Its not an experiment, it is a programmed replication of an experiment that went really wrong. The purpose then of this reality is an external purpose.

Fifth, because the purpose of all this is external, each individual being exists with a set of biases inherent to their makeup which makes them who they "are". The reason sshould be apparent - in order to demonstrate what occurred before, the beings within this reality, us, had to act as they acted, within certain boundaries. The implication is this - when we speak of controlling entities, including outside alien influences, whether benevolent or malevolent, who seem to function without a conscience, it is because they were programmed to be that way. Its kind of hard to blame someone for doing what they were programmed to do.

Finally, a certain small percentage of "us", to include aliens, have developed true self awareness - in other words, rather than being robotic organisms going through the motions of a predetermined life, this small group are actually valid life forms according to external criteria. As such, we can't just be turned off like we might turn off a Sims computer game. We have rights. Based on certain degrees of freedom which were designed into us to provide the appearance of spontaneity and realism, theoretically every one of us could achieve true self awareness (measured by a more demanding external standard), but not many have nor is it expected that many ever will. Blindly following ones programming is "easier" - the path of least resistance.

As such, the logical approach to this, in my opinion, seems to be a dissemination of these details of our existence to provide the catalyst for at least the potential for people to break their programming as well as a concentrated focus on self development. Again, theoretically, for those who achieve true awareness, it should be possible to meld that consciousness with the programming of the larger "real" universe, itself a program ...

To me, the only reasonable course of action is one of independence of spirit, forgiveness, understanding, tolerance, self protection, dissemination of information, and personal development, all of which can be done within the system which exists now. Obviously, this is only one approach. Each person must make their own decisions to the degree that they are capable of making them.


Hello Darktoaster,

Very interesting write-up and I completely agree with your idea that our world is a programmed reality. In fact, this idea is definitely in line with the information presented by the WingMakers, in The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda.

I agree with everything that you are saying in your post but I wonder if you can elaborate a little bit on point #4 and explain what went wrong in the experiment.

I am still reading the The Fifth Interview of the WingMakers' material where Dr. Neruda describes the creation and evolution of earth humans by Anu, with Marduk’s help, in collaboration with the Sirian and Serpent races. According to the WingMakers, Anu created Human 1.0 by tricking the Atlanteans (who at that time were an infinite race) into wearing a human uniform/interphase. Originally, Human 1.0 was created to work in the gold mine for Anu. Human 1.0 were clones who looked alike, they could communicate but they had group mind. Consequently, they suffered from depression and from other psychological problems. Anu then decided to get rid of them through the deluge but Marduk saved a few.

Marduk then upgraded the human uniform/interphase and Human 2.0 was created. This new human could reproduce and each individual was original, not a clone. It is at this junction that the Annunaki impregnated female humans to introduce different blood lines and create diversity. However Anu became concerned that Human 2.0 could become too powerful and self-aware of his infinity/divinity. So he orchestrated the fall of humans from grace, and kicked them out of the Garden of Eden. He then decided to become God (an angry, jealous one), and the only one that could save earth Human 2.0.

As things got a little bit more challenging with humans, Anu adjusted from the angry god of the Old Testament, to God the loving father that is presented in the New Testament. Meanwhile, the programming was set to make life on earth a real hell; and Anu, the loving father, was then supposed to come back (Second Coming) and fix all problems experienced by Human 2.0. He was supposed to be our God/Savior and humanity would have welcome him with open arms, and worshipped him forever. In reality, his plan was to enslave us forever... We in this world now are the Human 2.0 mentioned by the WingMakers.

Fortunately for us, the earth internal magnetic engine that had allowed Anu to enslave the Atlantian originally, is now preventing him to return on earth. Sorry Christians, no Second Coming !!!. The WingMakers simply say that earth magnetosphere has changed to the point that Anu cannot be here for extended period of time and take care of business.

The WingMakers also say that like any computer program, the programing of the human uniform/interface set by Anu and Marduk has been hacked. That is why they (the WingMakers who are us in our future) are able to come to our time to let us know that it is possible for humans to escape and live outside the programed reality ( matrix) where we now find ourselves.

Lastly, the Wingmakers say that a new version of the human race, Human 3.0 (also called Sovereign Integral) is about to appear on earth. They have estimated that the Sovereign Integral Human will appear around 2080, and we are its predecessors. Human 3.0 will be an infinite being (meaning a completely free human without limitations) who will live completely outside the matrix. They also tell us that we can ease ourselves out of programed universe by focusing on the following heart virtues: appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding, and valor or courage. There is a second set of conditions/values that they recommend that we use but I don’t remember them now.

Anyway I think that what you are talking has some commonality with the WingMakers material. What do you think?

Many blessings.

JC

[darthtoaster]

Hi JC. Thanks for your inquiries.

To a certain type of person, like you or I, this information is exciting. But to others, it is often dreadful. The word/name Jesus carries with it many connotations. So after years of difficulty in forums and in my personal life over this topic, I've learned to tread carefully. If in some cases either now or in the future it appears that I'm being evasive, its for a reason. The last thing I or my contacts want is to alienate a person unnecessarily over what are really inconsequential disagreements in the longterm. However, we do not wish to present ourselves under false pretenses either. I am sensitive to attrocities committed in that name over the ages including inquisitions, and other atrocities and mindful that in past lives there are likely at least some here who have suffered and been victims of those atrocities. On the other hand, to many people he is the literal son of God, part of a triune Godhead and to speak of him in any other way is pure blasphemy. This is almost a lose-lose situation here.

With that said, I have no personal problem answering questions and will do my best. I am the one that brought this up after all.

Am I religious? I am not religious in any way, but I know the Bible backwards and forwards. I was raised as a Lutheran protestant complete with sermons on hellfire and damnation and once I grew to adulthood I abandoned that belief system as illogical. For a few years after my sons birth, I researched every religion I could reasonably find information about. I was convinced that God had spoken to me. I eventually became a true believing but independent Christian. I would still be to this day if my contacts had not methodically taken that belief apart, piece by piece.

In a nutshell, Yeshua (a friendly name, pronounced ē-shō), was put here, he didn't come here. He had a task. He totally rebelled against that task and his minders were a bit upset about that. They had invested in him the best DNA they had, and he came to an understanding, betrayed his task and the prophecies of a great military, consolidating leader. He totally wrecked their plans. They still haven't recovered from the damage he did. But, they did harness control of his story and turn it to their advantage, building a control religion out of it. One of several they eventually built. Now that I understand all this, I am not religious in any way.

All that said, there is not a thing wrong in any of our opinions with being a religious person. A few people have ascended from a religious context. So, atheist, agnostic, religious, spiritual ... everyone is OK with us. Our message is pretty simple - there are possibilities and potential inherent in each of us. The virtues you list from the wingmakers article are part of the learning involved in achieving that potential. I want to point out two things about Interview 5 though. The first is a link. There is some ... I repeat, some ... info here which merits thoughtful consideration.

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

The other thing I will point out is the following for your consideration. Here are the virtues you list from the Interview 5 ...

"... appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding, and valor or courage."

I want to present an idea - if there is to be true, lasting peace, the only way to get there is for our societies to transform their foundational belief to only one thing - absolute, unconditional love. For any being, irrespective of action. A wrongdoer might be confined or quarantined for wrongdoing in order to protect others, but they must always be loved and genuine resources dedicated to their rehabilitation, unlike the prison systems we have now. In other words, there absolutely cannot be a global societal system which encourages division over difference, but rather embraces cultural difference as vital to the richness that is humanity. As well we have to start treating our children with respect, universally. Literally, most of our problems relating to humanity are created in individuals in childhood.

What I'm saying here is two things - one, none of us have any idea on how to achieve the aforementioned unconditional love that each person voluntarily holds dear as the highest virtue, but we do recognize that is the only way true peace occurs. Second, any philosophy which lists attributes that fall short of absolute, unconditional love cannot deliver a lasting peace either. There are other issues, in my opinion, with Interview 5 - an infinite being is a wise being, meaning - not easily fooled. What is a functional implant? Would it be better stated as a programming bias? Its a difficult interview to me, paradoxical in many ways. I understand the Sumerian connection. I would ask a thought question - if we don't have a clearly defined truth of our origins widely in circulation, is it reasonable to think that the Sumerians did? Or any society at any stage in our history?

I could be wrong. My sources are just sources, like so many other sources. But I will point out that our controllers have a tendency of putting the truth right in front of us, mixed with all kinds of stuff, to hide the truth, and of course keep us in a perpetual state of distraction. I would also propose that for a being to communicate with us from the future, in a programmed reality, that being would have to exist outside or separately from the programmed reality. The program runs on a forward scroll type thing, it has a clock, a clock speed, and so on. From outside the program, it is easy to access any place in the time line. From inside, we are stuck with the clock. We can view the past and compute the future to a reasonable degree from inside, but to interact with either of those requires not only an external viewpoint but also a method of interface. Just things to consider ...

Contact with Tom. Interestingly, I've had no further contact with Tom. I was told he died alone of a heart attack. I have no way to verify that. The tongues were coding basically, and having interacted with him recently and touching his shoulder, I'm told, allowed me to bridge a gap and allow his guardian to easily comfort him as he died. Again, I have no way to verify that. The basic premise is that a person in a low state of existence/vibration can only see or conceptualize what they have had direct contact with. In Toms case, that was me earlier that day.

The brothers are always within arms reach lol. We talk everyday. Except when I need privacy. Then they stand guard basically. I won't go into why. I have a little task to accomplish down here at some point. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, just something which is important to us. There are certain ones who don't want me to complete that task.

Big events on the horizon? We don't know for sure what is going to be executed or when. This is a chess game basically. What we do know is that the options that are available to malevolent ones are now severely limited. Which can be dangerous. We'll see. As for David Icke and his claims of a new frequency/illuminatory manifestation, I can say we like what we hear there :)

Last but not least - 2012. The purpose of our simulation was fulfilled in the fall of 2012. Externally, everything has been completed. In other words, we're no longer on a script. This is a good thing. Off script, we have survived for almost three years now. That's awesome. I think we're here indefinitely. From the outside, there are assurances that we will be maintained indefinitely. The future is truly ours to build for ourselves ...

Blessings returned friend JC

[JChombre]

Hi JC. Thanks for your inquiries.

To a certain type of person, like you or I, this information is exciting. But to others, it is often dreadful. The word/name Jesus carries with it many connotations. So after years of difficulty in forums and in my personal life over this topic, I've learned to tread carefully. If in some cases either now or in the future it appears that I'm being evasive, its for a reason. The last thing I or my contacts want is to alienate a person unnecessarily over what are really inconsequential disagreements in the longterm. However, we do not wish to present ourselves under false pretenses either. I am sensitive to attrocities committed in that name over the ages including inquisitions, and other atrocities and mindful that in past lives there are likely at least some here who have suffered and been victims of those atrocities. On the other hand, to many people he is the literal son of God, part of a triune Godhead and to speak of him in any other way is pure blasphemy. This is almost a lose-lose situation here.

With that said, I have no personal problem answering questions and will do my best. I am the one that brought this up after all.

Am I religious? I am not religious in any way, but I know the Bible backwards and forwards. I was raised as a Lutheran protestant complete with sermons on hellfire and damnation and once I grew to adulthood I abandoned that belief system as illogical. For a few years after my sons birth, I researched every religion I could reasonably find information about. I was convinced that God had spoken to me. I eventually became a true believing but independent Christian. I would still be to this day if my contacts had not methodically taken that belief apart, piece by piece.

In a nutshell, Yeshua (a friendly name, pronounced ē-shō), was put here, he didn't come here. He had a task. He totally rebelled against that task and his minders were a bit upset about that. They had invested in him the best DNA they had, and he came to an understanding, betrayed his task and the prophecies of a great military, consolidating leader. He totally wrecked their plans. They still haven't recovered from the damage he did. But, they did harness control of his story and turn it to their advantage, building a control religion out of it. One of several they eventually built. Now that I understand all this, I am not religious in any way.

All that said, there is not a thing wrong in any of our opinions with being a religious person. A few people have ascended from a religious context. So, atheist, agnostic, religious, spiritual ... everyone is OK with us. Our message is pretty simple - there are possibilities and potential inherent in each of us. The virtues you list from the wingmakers article are part of the learning involved in achieving that potential. I want to point out two things about Interview 5 though. The first is a link. There is some ... I repeat, some ... info here which merits thoughtful consideration.

http://wespenre.com/new-revelations-on-wingmakers.htm

The other thing I will point out is the following for your consideration. Here are the virtues you list from the Interview 5 ...

"... appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding, and valor or courage."

I want to present an idea - if there is to be true, lasting peace, the only way to get there is for our societies to transform their foundational belief to only one thing - absolute, unconditional love. For any being, irrespective of action. A wrongdoer might be confined or quarantined for wrongdoing in order to protect others, but they must always be loved and genuine resources dedicated to their rehabilitation, unlike the prison systems we have now. In other words, there absolutely cannot be a global societal system which encourages division over difference, but rather embraces cultural difference as vital to the richness that is humanity. As well we have to start treating our children with respect, universally. Literally, most of our problems relating to humanity are created in individuals in childhood.

What I'm saying here is two things - one, none of us have any idea on how to achieve the aforementioned unconditional love that each person voluntarily holds dear as the highest virtue, but we do recognize that is the only way true peace occurs. Second, any philosophy which lists attributes that fall short of absolute, unconditional love cannot deliver a lasting peace either. There are other issues, in my opinion, with Interview 5 - an infinite being is a wise being, meaning - not easily fooled. What is a functional implant? Would it be better stated as a programming bias? Its a difficult interview to me, paradoxical in many ways. I understand the Sumerian connection. I would ask a thought question - if we don't have a clearly defined truth of our origins widely in circulation, is it reasonable to think that the Sumerians did? Or any society at any stage in our history?

I could be wrong. My sources are just sources, like so many other sources. But I will point out that our controllers have a tendency of putting the truth right in front of us, mixed with all kinds of stuff, to hide the truth, and of course keep us in a perpetual state of distraction. I would also propose that for a being to communicate with us from the future, in a programmed reality, that being would have to exist outside or separately from the programmed reality. The program runs on a forward scroll type thing, it has a clock, a clock speed, and so on. From outside the program, it is easy to access any place in the time line. From inside, we are stuck with the clock. We can view the past and compute the future to a reasonable degree from inside, but to interact with either of those requires not only an external viewpoint but also a method of interface. Just things to consider ...

Contact with Tom. Interestingly, I've had no further contact with Tom. I was told he died alone of a heart attack. I have no way to verify that. The tongues were coding basically, and having interacted with him recently and touching his shoulder, I'm told, allowed me to bridge a gap and allow his guardian to easily comfort him as he died. Again, I have no way to verify that. The basic premise is that a person in a low state of existence/vibration can only see or conceptualize what they have had direct contact with. In Toms case, that was me earlier that day.

The brothers are always within arms reach lol. We talk everyday. Except when I need privacy. Then they stand guard basically. I won't go into why. I have a little task to accomplish down here at some point. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, just something which is important to us. There are certain ones who don't want me to complete that task.

Big events on the horizon? We don't know for sure what is going to be executed or when. This is a chess game basically. What we do know is that the options that are available to malevolent ones are now severely limited. Which can be dangerous. We'll see. As for David Icke and his claims of a new frequency/illuminatory manifestation, I can say we like what we hear there :)

Last but not least - 2012. The purpose of our simulation was fulfilled in the fall of 2012. Externally, everything has been completed. In other words, we're no longer on a script. This is a good thing. Off script, we have survived for almost three years now. That's awesome. I think we're here indefinitely. From the outside, there are assurances that we will be maintained indefinitely. The future is truly ours to build for ourselves ...

Blessings returned friend JC

Hi DarkToaster,

Thank you for getting back to me and for answering all my questions. All the topics that you touched matter to me a lot so I am very grateful for your feedback.

You said that you are cautious about answering or talking about religion and I fully understand that. I was born and raised in a big catholic family and to show you how religion can mess up a family, after one of my brothers left the catholic church for the Baptist church, my father didn't talk to him for a long time. Also I made the mistake of questioning the divinity of a god who asked someone to sacrifice his child to show his devotion to him the god... So some of my siblings think that I am a heretic, and I can sense that they are analyzing every word that I say...

As for the Wingmakers material, thank you for Wes Penre's link. I had this article last year but didn't finish reading it so I'm definitely going to do that this time around. I also agree with you that there are some issues with this information. As I recall, there has always been some controversy with the author/owner of the WingMakers material. After Dr. Anderson, the original owner of the material disappeared, James showed up and we went from Dr. Anderson to Dr. Neruda. The second controversy has to do whether or not the information is real or fiction. I personally believe that some of this information is true and some is not.

I absolutely agree when you say that unconditional love is the way to a lasting peace. Well, I have to confess that I have struggled all my life with the notion of unconditional love and how to reach it; specially considering that patience is not something that comes easily for me. Then, how does one achieve or reach the state of unconditional love? Finally, your last paragraph is scripted, very interesting and full of information...perhaps we will talk about it again.

I am exhausted today, I am opening a school for children who live in a socioeconomically disadvantaged area. And this past week we finally secured the school facility after 3 months of negotiations. We signed the lease this morning and I am happy but very tired.

Have a wonderful evening.

JC

[Aspen]

While raising three children it always seemed obvious to me that violence was not the answer. While growing up I never really like competitive sports and caught on fairly early that the media was promoting hockey way too much and that football, basketball and other sports like it are just a type of substitute for what you describe as getting humans to fight each other and are very much like the gladiator spectacle in Ancient Rome to entertain and at the same time program people towards violence and competition. I have a son who is 22 right now and I'm very thankful that he is not in the military. Unconditional love seems unrealistic in every day life, but it really isn't. I practice unconditional love towards my clients as a therapist all the time. When raising my children it was a little harder, mostly due to the conditioning towards yelling and authoritarian rule I had received from my parents. But there are excellent child rearing books out there that helped me to get over those tendencies. For example the book by Barbara Coloroso, "Kids are Worth It". http://www.kidsareworthit.com/ It is written by a former nun that eventually raised four children and the first chapter mentions the spiritual references you described in your first post. Many ""uncivilized" tribal societies were built on a more peaceful and collaborative approach. It was not all survival of the fittest if you study anthropology! I find that fascinating. It is possible to build a society based on unconditional love in the present day. Like you say we can start in our own lives. You can find neighbours that you get along with well. You can join groups like this one of like minded people. It is not so unrealistic. Even in work you can find employers who believe in these principals of nonviolence and working as a team rather than the hierarchical approach. My husband and I have a very peaceful relationship and it is quite egalitarian. So unconditional love is not so unrealistic after all! Thank you very much for telling us your story and example of leaving the military. It is a very powerful example.


The story about talking to the two beings who are your older brothers was also very interesting and reminds me of a friend who is a psychic and is also talking to ascended Masters and talks about Sananda and the Galactic Federation. The two beings who speak to him and give instructions or advice on what he should be doing next in his life are St. Germain and Archangel Rapheal. I do believe your conclusion about this being layers of reality and that we are trapped on a holographic universe that is like a bubble inside a bubble. The part that I find difficult to agree with is how do we know who these beings really are and how do we know we should trust them? Perhaps they are not exactly who they say they are? Perhaps it has to do with the astral levels and listening to them could keep us in fourth dimensional reality. However, your story seems to indicate that some very powerful things have occurred that have caused you to trust them at pivotal times in your life. I guess the trust was probably based on these experiences. But perhaps we can enter the true reality sooner and not have to go through the process of entering other simulated realities ? Just wondering about it all . . . just as you are. I have been studying the Lily Earthling material lately which is about connecting with Mother Earth and using grounding and connection to nature as a way of staying with reality and moving out of the fake reality. Simon Parkes and George Kavassalis are talking about this too. There is a great thread on it on Project Avalon, staying connected to mother earth in order to move forward in our spiritual evolution http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80906-in-5d-interview-with-Lily-Earthling-and-Goz-Stone&p=968142#post968142

However, according to what you seem to have been
taught this solar system and therefore, this earth, may also be part of the fake reality as well right??

[Mu2143]

In a nutshell, Yeshua (a friendly name, pronounced ē-shō), was put here, he didn't come here. He had a task. He totally rebelled against that task and his minders were a bit upset about that. They had invested in him the best DNA they had, and he came to an understanding, betrayed his task and the prophecies of a great military, consolidating leader. He totally wrecked their plans. They still haven't recovered from the damage he did. But, they did harness control of his story and turn it to their advantage, building a control religion out of it. One of several they eventually built. Now that I understand all this, I am not religious in any way.


If you have a discerning spirit and use it what would we get out of this ??
Do I say Order out of chaos ??
If it does not bring peace you only going bring in the other.

In a Nutshell Yeshua Hamashiach came here to show you how QUIT this
computer game where in and go home.
And the computer game is programmed in our DNA and something else is
pushing our buttons to do the same thing again.
But this time it will not going to be repeated. Now The DNA is so corrupt that
no spiritual light can come into us unless your slowly being guided and purified.

So Many ET's or other ED's are stuck in this game on another level (Larger scale)
and have no access to the full truth, So from there view they think he did wrong.
Even Alex collier did not had the full truth from his contacts ,because they
don't have full access. Otherwise they would have told you that what he really did!

Jesus to show the WAY we should be living and not looking for a fight or conflict.

The only difference beween jesus and Alex collier contacts the Andromedan's
is that he can't be killed with any type of weapons because he has
a Eternal body and the Andromedan's do not.

This is time we start to end the cycle of incarnations for does who are willing to do this!!
That means your stay here and get the same body Jesus got!!

[darthtoaster]

JC. I would be interested in hearing of the encounters you have had with gigantic guys and gals :) Dare I say ... angels? Probably not. lol Just regular iindividuals of unusually large stature lol

Congratulations on completing the deal on the property. That is a real accomplishment, an amazing input to the system from within the system. So many good things do go on in this system.

Here's my attitudes on unconditional love. We look around ourselves and see many individuals and we make a value judgment. Adults. Mature. Responsible. Conscientious. And then, people act irrationally. And we question if they are loving. We question whether they have a conscience. We question what would make people do some of the insane sh!t that they do. Every level of perversity, from great to small. My attitude changed and I began to see when these guys and my double took me through the forgiveness exercise and life review. JC, it was brutal. I am not a perfect person. I have made mistakes just like everyone else. But the real realization was when they began pointing to others and actions and they said - Do you see it? Do you see the programming? And I did. I see the programs running all around me. And I also see you, and many others, who are functioning outside your programming. You have reached beyond and within and uncovered the Kingdom of God, the inner wisdom that speaks not with words but with a knowing. I know you know what I mean by that. In the words of Yeshua - They know not what they do. My input - "we" have no idea what we are doing collectively. But some are breaking out, there have always been some. There will be more. It will be OK.

I have accepted that saving the world, turning humanity, changing hearts and minds - these are the wrong goals. I only recently realized that. What should be done follows this line of thought - "Leave the dead to the dead. You ... follow me." And when he spoke these words, he wasn't saying worship him, he was saying - I have something to show you. I have something to share. You have awakened. Let me show you what you can do with that my friend.

These guys are having me watch these individuals very closely - Buddha boy, Prahlad Jani, Anastasia in Russia from the Ringing Cedars books, and Edel O'Mahoney in the UK. Some very bright stars doing some very bright things. And I myself am exploring new frontiers of just what I'm capable of. What we are all capable of. This is amazing stuff.

The bottom line message is very simple - work with yourself, and become a brilliant light. This helps you and others may draw from it what they will. Of course, be a positive influence and give of oneself. But don't let the pain, atrocities and the myriad of distractions deter or destract you from the primary goal - raising up yourself. They can distract us with lies, OR the truth. At some point we self realize - OK, I get it now. I trust, Ihave faith, it will work out. I must make the most of what iI have been given dominion over, myself, right now. Any wasted time is lost time.

I'm on a program. I will speak more about it later. But first I must explore it. Then I will talk.

Much amazing brightness to you friend JC

[darthtoaster]

Aspen. Wow. I love your post. Very edifying to me. I am being uplifted by these amazing conversations and insights.

After these guys and I became conversant, and after the forgiveness exercise, we were just chatting one day and out of nowhere they said this - "Never trust a spirit. Not even us." And I questioned that. They have saved my life over and over, literally. They have helped me understand many things. And they repeated - Never trust a spirit. Never. Do you understand? I didn't understand. But I did later. At this point, I will say this - It is possible for beings to hack one another's hacks. It is total information warfare up there. I was targeted. My family was almost burned to death in a fire. Check the link. Our apartment is top right. Before it was extinguished, the flames from our roof were 30 feet high. They got out with only seconds to spare. What is scary was that I was warned prior, by beings that are not friendly - do what we say, or we will take your family. They almost got away with it. I have an implant in my right ear, I have markings on my arms from their trying to infect me with this and that. I have one wound I've been trying to heal for over a year now. I use lemon juice on it. Very powerful. And in these instances I ask these guys - "What the he!!!? Where are you guys??" And their reply - Hang on, hang on, we're doing the best we can here. And they're good. They always find a way to shield the stuff or override, or something. The bottom line here is important - "Life" does not end. They cannot truly threaten. If they kill me, I'll just come back. If they get my family, I know where they are going. And they'llbe back. "They" know not what they do. Its OK. I love these adversaries like any other. It will be OK. And really, my guys are really good at what they do. I think I'm going to succeed this time around. If I don't, I'll just try again next life. I'll be better at it next time around. There is no true fear ...

http://fox13now.com/2013/09/03/breaking-large-apartment-fire-breaks-out-in-north-salt-lake/

I want to add this bit for consideration. People often wonder why there aren't more "contacts". Its a dangerous game from a physical perspective. And damage can be done trying to help someone. So contacts with individuals are chosen very carefully. If they don't think they can protect you through the process to completion, they'll wait, for a more secure opportunity. I was hacked before I was born this time around, and they (my brothers, my friends) proposed a plan, and I agreed. Let'sgive it a try. We don't know if we'll succeed. But its worth a shot. If it doesn't work we'll find a way to try again. Personally, I think things will work out. I have been given many reading assignments over the years. I've studied Phil Schneider, Lloyd Pye, and others. I read last night about Mr X that Bill and Kerry Cassidy interviewed. Dead at age 48. These people died to bring us information. The least it seems we can do is appreciate their efforts to enlighten us and try to make use of it. I do not believe they died in vain. And they'll be back ...

[darthtoaster]

If you have a discerning spirit and use it what would we get out of this ??
Do I say Order out of chaos ??
If it does not bring peace you only going bring in the other.

In a Nutshell Yeshua Hamashiach came here to show you how QUIT this
computer game where in and go home.
And the computer game is programmed in our DNA and something else is
pushing our buttons to do the same thing again.
But this time it will not going to be repeated. Now The DNA is so corrupt that
no spiritual light can come into us unless your slowly being guided and purified.

So Many ET's or other ED's are stuck in this game on another level (Larger scale)
and have no access to the full truth, So from there view they think he did wrong.
Even Alex collier did not had the full truth from his contacts ,because they
don't have full access. Otherwise they would have told you that what he really did!

Jesus to show the WAY we should be living and not looking for a fight or conflict.

The only difference beween jesus and Alex collier contacts the Andromedan's
is that he can't be killed with any type of weapons because he has
a Eternal body and the Andromedan's do not.

This is time we start to end the cycle of incarnations for does who are willing to do this!!
That means your stay here and get the same body Jesus got!!

What can I say MU? I agree. Love your words. I accept your words. Thank you very much for your insights. :)

[Guish]

True spirituality brings wisdom. I'll leave you with this story.

Ramakrishna narrated this story saying, "A man living in society should make a show of tamas to protect himself from evil-minded people. But he should not harm anybody in anticipation of harm likely to be done him."[1] —
“ Some cowherd boys used to tend their cows in a meadow where a terrible poisonous snake lived. Everyone was on the alert for fear of it. One day a brahmachari was going along the meadow. The boys ran to him and said; 'Revered sir, please don't go that way. A venomous snake lives over there.' 'What of it, my good children?' said the brahmachari. 'I am not afraid of the snake. I know some mantras.' So saying, he continued on his way along the meadow. But the cowherd boys, being afraid, did not accompany him. In the mean time the snake moved swiftly toward him with upraised hood. As soon as it came near, he recited a mantra, and the snake lay at his feet like an earthworm. The brahmachari said: 'Look here. Why do you go about doing harm? Come, I will give you a holy word. By repeating it you will learn to love God. Ultimately you will realize Him and so get rid of your violent nature.' Saying this, he taught the snake a holy word and initiated him into spiritual life. The snake bowed before the teacher and said, 'Revered sir, how shall I practise spiritual discipline?' 'Repeat that sacred word', said the teacher, 'and do no harm to anybody.' As he was about to depart, the brahmachari said, 'I shall see you again.'

"Some days passed and the cowherd boys noticed that the snake would not bite. They threw stones at it. Still it showed no anger; it behaved as if it were an earthworm. One day one of the boys came close to it, caught it by the tail, and, whirling it round and round, dashed it again and again on the ground and threw it away. The snake vomited blood and became unconscious. It was stunned. It could not move. So, thinking it dead, the boys went their way.

"Late at night the snake regained consciousness. Slowly and with great difficulty it dragged itself into its hole; its bones were broken and it could scarcely move. Many days passed. The snake became a mere skeleton covered with a skin. Now and then, at night, it would come out in search of food. For fear of the boys it would not leave its hole during the day-time. Since receiving the sacred word from the teacher, it had given up doing harm to others. It maintained its life on dirt, leaves, or the fruit that dropped from the trees.

"About a year later the brahmachari came that way again and asked after the snake. The cowherd boys told him that it was dead. But he couldn't believe them. He knew that the snake would not die before attaining the fruit of the holy word with which it had been initiated. He found his way to the place and, searching here and there, called it by the name he had given it. Hearing the teacher's voice, it came out of its hole and bowed before him with great reverence. 'How are you?' asked the brahmachari. 'I am well, sir', replied the snake. 'But', the teacher asked, 'why are you so thin?' The snake replied: 'Revered sir, you ordered me not to harm anybody. So I have been living only on leaves and fruit. Perhaps that has made me thinner.'

"The snake had developed the quality of sattva; it could not be angry with anyone. It had totally forgotten that the cowherd boys had almost killed it.

"The brahmachari said: 'It can't be mere want of food that has reduced you to this state. There must be some other reason. Think a little.' Then the snake remembered that the boys had dashed it against the ground. It said: 'Yes, revered sir, now I remember. The boys one day dashed me violently against the ground. They are ignorant, after all. They didn't realize what a great change had come over my mind. How could they know I wouldn't bite or harm anyone?' The brahmachari exclaimed: 'What a shame! You are such a fool! You don't know how to protect yourself. I asked you not to bite, but I didn't forbid you to hiss. Why didn't you scare them by hissing?'

[Cristi Copac]

this is indeed a wise man. reality based story guish. christians are full of it also. please leave nature alone and don't teach them to get killed! as with any other animal on this planet. you might say that hissing is good. you don't defend yourself with hissing. one day they will test you and they will know that you only hiss and you're going to be dead. i cannot in 2000 years how this ""morals"" came to be. from one side you have this kind of suicidal advice and from the other side you have the majority of people who take advantage of retarded individuals who teach you to get killed. sorry man but suicidal sado masochism has gone too far away. they can they their ""spirituality"" far far away deep where the sun don't shine because a life full of meaning , pride, health, laughter, knowledge, harmony, friendship is by no means a good way to live. no you have to be a petty meal worm disease ridden and full of fear and of tears that has to suffer all of his life for the huge sucidal fart that is ""spiritual way of living"". nature has a way of sorting out the morons from sane individuals. go to god spiritual people. god awaits you all! gaia sends you her best wishes also!
by the way reptilians have souls also. and they are also highly spiritual but in a different way....

[ZooLife]

this is indeed a wise man. reality based story guish. christians are full of it also. please leave nature alone and don't teach them to get killed! as with any other animal on this planet. you might say that hissing is good. you don't defend yourself with hissing. one day they will test you and they will know that you only hiss and you're going to be dead. i cannot in 2000 years how this ""morals"" came to be. from one side you have this kind of suicidal advice and from the other side you have the majority of people who take advantage of retarded individuals who teach you to get killed. sorry man but suicidal sado masochism has gone too far away. they can they their ""spirituality"" far far away deep where the sun don't shine because a life full of meaning , pride, health, laughter, knowledge, harmony, friendship is by no means a good way to live. no you have to be a petty meal worm disease ridden and full of fear and of tears that has to suffer all of his life for the huge sucidal fart that is ""spiritual way of living"". nature has a way of sorting out the morons from sane individuals. go to god spiritual people. god awaits you all! gaia sends you her best wishes also!
by the way reptilians have souls also. and they are also highly spiritual but in a different way....

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[greybeard]

In my ignorance I thought New Age was dead and gone.
Don't see that many flower power hippies around these days.
Religion is slowly dying too---not many young people sitting in church.

I would not equate being peaceful with being passive.
Gandhi achieved a lot through non violence, but then there was a tremendous amount of enlightened spiritual energy coming from him.
Mahatma means great soul.

Everything is energy and the higher the spiritual energy the more that can be achieved.

Dr David Hawkins book "Power vs Force /The hidden determinates of human behaviour", explains personal vibration levels of energy very well and also their impact on the collective consciousness and thus the world..
Force eventually runs out of energy but Power (High spiritual vibration) does not.

Chris

[darthtoaster]

Chris! Thanks a billion for the Hawkins reference. IMO, its required reading for the would be enlightened soul :) Just awesome stuff. There's an article out there about levels of consciousness. I'll see if I can find it. Much thanks bro and great words :)

[darthtoaster]

Chris's referenced Dr David Hawkins and here's an article regarding levels of consciousness. Deep scientific stuff with profound spiritual implications. A great read. Thanks again Chris!

http://www.thehealersjournal.com/2013/07/26/hawkins-scale-consciousness-how-to-raise-your-number/

Dr. David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD developed a “map” of the levels of human consciousness (also called the Scale of Consciousness) that uses a muscle-testing technique called Applied Kinesiology (AK) to document the nonlinear, spiritual realm. The research was scientifically-validated and published in Dr. Hawkins’ doctorate dissertation titled Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis and Calibrations of the Level of Human Consciousness, an elaborate discussion of the Scale of Consciousness and its significance as outlined in his groundbreaking book, Power vs. Force: The Anatomy of Consciousness (Veritas Publishing, 1995).

Briefly, each level of consciousness (LOC) coincides with determinable human behaviors and perceptions about life and God. Each level represents a corresponding attractor field of varying strength that exists beyond our three-dimensional reality. There’s a critical point within each LOC from which its field gravitates (or entrains).

The numbers on the scale represent logarithmic calibrations (measurable vibratory frequencies on a scale which increases to the tenth power) of the levels of human consciousness and its corresponding level of reality. The numbers themselves are arbitrary; the significance lies in the relationship of one number (or level) to another (e.g., Dr. Hawkins’ scale is from 1 to 1000).

The Great Barrier

Dr. Hawkins points out that the two greatest spiritual growth barriers seem to be at level 200 and 500. Two hundred, the level of courage, represents a profound shift from destructive and harmful behavior to life-promoting and integrous lifestyles; everything below 200 makes one go weak using kinesiology. Currently, approximately 78% of the world’s population is below this significant level. The destructive capacity of this majority drags down all of mankind without the counterbalancing effect of the 22% above 200. Because the scale of consciousness is logarithmic, each incremental point represents a giant leap in power. As such, one person calibrated at 600 counterbalances the negativity of 10 million people below 200.

The second great barrier is level 500 —Love. Love in this context is a way of being in the world—not an emotionality as most of us perceive it. According to Dr. Hawkins, the reason the level of love is so difficult to achieve is because our ego is so rooted in the physical domain as opposed to the spiritual domain, which emerges at 500. The 400s represent the level of reason, guided by the linear, mechanistic world of form (our modern society that includes advancements in medicine, science, government, etc). Interestingly, the top echelon of intellectual genius, including Einstein, Freud, Newton, Aristotle, etc., all calibrated around 499. The 500s represent a very difficult hurdle as only four percent of the world’s population calibrates in the 500s. This level denotes a shift from the linear, provable domain (classic physics or Newtonian physics) to the nonlinear, formless, spiritual realm.

A person’s LOC remains rather steady through the lifetime. Emotions come and go like the passing wind, but a person’s calibratable LOC is governed by specific energy fields in the nonlinear domain which generally doesn’t waver. Over the course of a lifetime, the average person’s LOC will change approximately five points (this is not a statistical derivation, but an average discovered through Dr. Hawkins’ kinesiologic research). However, it is possible for an individual (such as a spiritual aspirant) to have their LOC jump (or drop) hundreds of points in a single lifetime. -RE: Power Vs. Force, by Dr. David Hawkins, scribed by Scott Jeffery

I was lucky to experience Dr. Hawkins while attending his lecture on Transcending the Levels of Consciousness three years ago in Novato, California. His Joy for life radiated into the audience during his lecture. There is something about the beauty of ‘truth’ that is recognizable. I’ve never been so excited about life and the path towards more knowledge of our existence! I nearly levitated out of my seat! Hawkins stated that once given a glimpse of the state of Enlightenment, nothing on earth will ever quench your thirst again!

The following information is designed as a quick reference tool for Dr. Hawkins’ students who are familiar with the Map of Consciousness. To fully understand this Map of the Scale of Consciousness within the proper context, it’s important to read Dr. Hawkins’ book, Power vs. Force.

Level Log

Enlightenment 700-1000

Peace 600

Joy 540

Love 500

Reason 400

Acceptance 350

Willingness 310

Neutrality 250

Courage 200

Below 200 
(Below the critical level of integrity):

Pride 175

Anger 150

Desire 125

Fear 100

Grief 75

Apathy 50

Guilt 30

These levels determine the reason why people behave the way they do.

These levels can be divided into positive energy-giving levels and negative energy-taking levels. The negative levels from the lowest to the highest are: shame, guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride. The positive levels are: courage, neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love, joy, peace, enlightenment.

He claims that, although there may be times when we function at different levels of consciousness, we in general operate at one particular level. This can be considered our core level. It is here where I would like to explain these different levels and hopefully inspire you to move beyond your current state.

Shame

According to Hawkins, this is one step above death. At this level, the primary emotion one feels is humiliation. It’s not surprising that this level, being so close to death, is where most thoughts of suicide are found. Those who suffer from sexual abuse are often found here, and without therapy they tend to remain here.

Guilt

Not too far from shame is the level of guilt. When one is stuck in this level, feelings of worthlessness and an inability to forgive oneself are common.

Apathy

The level of hopelessness and despair; this is the common consciousness found among those who are homeless or living in poverty. At this level, one has abdicated themselves to their current situation and feels numb to life around them.

Grief

Many of us have felt this at times of tragedy in our lives. However, having this as your primary level of consciousness, you live a life of constant regret and remorse. This is the level where you feel all your opportunities have passed you by. You ultimately feel you are a failure.

Fear

People living under dictatorship rule or those involved in an abusive relationship find themselves at this level. There is a sense of paranoia here, where you think everyone is out to get you. Suspicion and defensiveness are common.

Desire

Desire is a major motivator for much of our society. Although desire can be an impetus for change, the downside is that it leads to enslavement to ones appetites. This is the level of addiction to such things as sex, money, prestige, or power.

Anger

As one moves out of Apathy to Grief and then out of Fear, they begin to want. Desire which is not fulfilled leads to frustration which brings us to Anger. This anger can cause us to move out of this level or keep us here.

Pride

According to Hawkins, since the majority of people are below this point, this is the level that most people aspire to. It makes up a good deal of Hollywood. In comparison to Shame and Guilt, one begins to feel positive here. However, it’s a false positive. It’s dependent upon external conditions such as wealth, position or power. It is also the source of racism, nationalism, and religious fanaticism.

Courage

This is the level of empowerment. It is the first level where you are not taking life energy from those around you. Courage is where you see that you don’t need to be tossed to and fro by your external conditions. This empowerment leads you to the realization that you are a steward unto yourself, and that you alone are in charge of your own growth and success. This is what makes you inherently human: the realization that there is a gap between stimulus and response and that you have the potential to choose how to respond.

Neutrality

Neutrality is the level of flexibility. To be neutral, you are, for the most part, unattached to outcomes. At this level, you are satisfied with your current life situation and tend not to have a lot of motivation towards self improvement or excellence in your career. You realize the possibilities but don’t make the sacrifices required to reach a higher level.

Willingness

Those people around you that are perpetual optimists – this is their level of consciousness. Seeing life as one big possibility is the cornerstone of those operating here. No longer are you satisfied with complacency – you strive to do your best at whatever task you’ve undertaken. You begin to develop self-discipline and willpower and learn the importance of sticking to a task till the end.

Acceptance

If Courage is the realization that you are the source of your life’s experiences, then it is here where you become the creator of them. Combined with the skills learned in the Willingness phase, you begin to awaken your potential through action. Here’s where you begin to set and achieve goals and to actively push yourself beyond your previous limitations. Up to this point you’ve been generally reactive to what life throws at you. Here’s where you turn that around, take control, and become proactive.

Reason

The level of science, medicine, and a desire for knowledge. Your thirst for knowledge becomes insatiable. You don’t waste time in activities that do not provide educational value. You begin to categorize all of life and its experiences into proofs, postulates, and theories. The failure of this level is you cannot seem to separate the subjective from the objective, and because of that, you tend to miss the point. You fail to see the forest because you’re tunnel-visioned on the trees. Paradoxically, Reason can become a stumbling block for further progressions of consciousness.

Love

Only if, in the level of Reason you start to see yourself as a potential for the greater good of mankind, will you have enough power to enter here. Here is where you start applying what was learned in your reasoning and you let the heart take over rather than the mind – you live by intuition. This is the level of charity – a selfless love that has no desire except for the welfare of those around them. Gandhi and Mother Theresa are examples of people who were living at this level. Only 0.4 percent of the world will ever reach it.

Joy

This is the level of saints and advanced spiritual people. As love becomes more unconditional, there follows a constant accompaniment of true happiness. No personal tragedy or world event could ever shake someone living at this level of consciousness. They seem to inspire and lift all those who come in contact with them. Your life is now in complete harmony with the will of Divinity and the fruits of that harmony are expressed in your joy.

Peace

Peace is achieved after a life of complete surrender to the Creator. It is where you have transcended all and have entered that place that Hawkins calls illumination. Here, a stillness and silence of mind is achieved, allowing for constant revelation. Only 1 in 10 million (that’s .00001 percent) people will arrive at this level.

Enlightenment

This is the highest level of human consciousness where one has become like God. Many see this as Christ, Buddha, or Krishna. These are those who have influenced all of mankind.
Hawkins’ Power vs. Force and his associated map of consciousness has been a groundbreaking work for those interested in human-consciousness development. In this continuum we can clearly see where we as individuals function and where we can arrive. A view into what could be our potential is inspiring.

It’s interesting to note that according to Hawkins, everything that is around us can effect our level of consciousness: the music we listen to, the people with whom we associate, the books we read, the shows that we watch, etc. After reading this book, I began to see myself and those around me in a different light. I guess you could say I felt more compassion for others. We are all at different levels of consciousness and are functioning according to the light and knowledge that we’ve obtained. This has helped me to better understand what drives people and why they make specific choices.

How can you raise your own level of consciousness? I would suggest first to figure out where you presently are – awareness is always the first step. Learn from the Great Ones who are the source of the ‘wisdom literature’ of your tradition and try to live the principles taught in those books. As you raise your own level, you will discover a desire to help others and you’ll be a source of positive change for yourself and the world.

In the 1960s, Dr. John Goodheart developed Applied Kinesiology (AK) into a practical diagnostic technique used mainly by chiropractors and holistic health practitioners. Based on the principle that “your body doesn’t lie,” AK or muscle testing assists these practitioners in uncovering what is going on in the body as well as determining whether or not a specific remedy would be beneficial. By testing the instantaneous response of a particular muscle, AK practitioners are able to more clearly navigate the complexities of the human body: If a tested muscle stayed strong, a substance was good for the body, and if it went weak, it was not.

Psychiatrist Dr. John Diamond further expanded Dr. Goodheart’s work by discovering that different images, paintings, music, games and material affect the body. For example, he found that classical music makes people go strong, while rap music makes everyone go weak. Similarly, synthetic clothing makes you weak and natural fibers make you strong. The implications of Dr. Diamond’s work, called Behavioral Kinesiology (BK), were profound: Everything we interact with either strengthens or weakens our life energy.

Psychiatrist Dr. David R. Hawkins realized the universality of muscle testing response—“what is good for you is good for me.” To test the hypothesis, Dr. Hawkins put a thousand people in a room, each with a sealed envelope. Half the room was given organic vitamin C and the other half a packet of NutraSweet. None of the participants were aware of the content of their envelope. Each person was tested using muscle testing (as described in the next section). The result was that half of the room went weak while the other half stayed strong. The 500 hundred people who went weak were holding the envelope with NutraSweet and the 500 hundred who stayed strong had the organic vitamin C—Dr. Hawkins had uncovered physiologic testings usefulness as the ultimate truth detector.

By following a simple procedure and making a clearly defined statement, one’s muscles either stay strong or go weak. Statements can be asked about anyone or anything from past to present. You can calibrate the level of truth of a politician, a Fortune 500 CEO or your next-door neighbor. Want to determine the validity of a new scientific theory? Test it. You don’t need to know anything about the topic in order to test a statement. The answer you receive from the kinesiologic response transcends your own knowledge and beliefs; you are accessing the infinite intelligence of the collective field (or Collective Unconscious) that binds us together.

Interestingly, physiologic testing calibrates at 600—the level of nonduality—which means the technique itself transcends a complete intellectual (i.e. linear) understanding of the phenomenon. When one muscle-testing in the above fashion, one is accessing the timeless, spaceless, database of consciousness itself.

[Michel Leclerc]

[...] the only reasonable course of action is one of independence of spirit, forgiveness, understanding, tolerance, self protection, dissemination of information, and personal development [...].

Yes, dear D. Your series of requirements encapsulates what ethics means now. An exercise for meditation: how each of them presupposes the other, grows when the other grows, etc.

My admiration for how the pilot you once were trekked through the desert and found these.

[darthtoaster]

Hello Michel, thank you very much for the encouragement. I have seen. But I am not fully tested. Therefore, it remains a question if whether I have internalized. I may have, no ... I know I will have to approach all these things repeatedly. And learn. I have much learning to do. I'm ready :)

Much love

[JChombre]

JC. I would be interested in hearing of the encounters you have had with gigantic guys and gals :) Dare I say ... angels? Probably not. lol Just regular iindividuals of unusually large stature lol



DarthToaster,

Holly cow!!! How in God name do you know that I have seen angels or giant beings as you call them? Only my wife knows about this... and I don't tell her everything...

Then, last, night... ok, I get it now... So it was not my imagination then...

Ok, well,... I am exhausted, I badly need some sleep. Let talk about this tomorrow.

I am not sure if we will be able to find this thread tomorrow.

Take care friend and many blessings to you.

JC

[darthtoaster]

! How ... do you know that I have seen angels ... ?

Hi JC, you mentioned very briefly in a post previously that faces of beings you had encountered had been obscured as well. Nothing cosmic on my end.

In my first visions I did see Yeshua's face clearly (he had no facial hair in that instance) and I saw my wonderful step daughter clearly who had passed away in 2009. I said nothing to Yeshua, I was sort of speechless. He said this, very simple - "May you have peace." My stepdaughter and I did converse. It was so incredible to reconnect with her. Her death had really hurt my heart.

Anyway, the natural life cycle of the thread seems to be winding down and that is appropriate. I believe it has been seen by those who might benefit. Repeating our little "message" :)

For those who aspire, please know that we are challenged, deluged with information, some truthful, most not, occupied by matters of responsibility and even survival, and in the end, everything works as a distraction from our purpose - to ascend. To meld soul and body consciousness, to become energetic rather than physical, to return to immortality and a perfected bodily image, to materialize and dematerialize at will and so on. These things are achievable by each of us. I have seen and interacted with multiple individuals who literally disappeared into thin air after our encounters. This is not unreachable, it is real.

My absolute best to everyone.

May you have peace :)

Edit add: I can personally be reached at reprogramreality@gmail.com, my website which I am working on slowly can be accessed by clicking on my darthtoaster icon here and clicking Homepage. As a group, it is our belief that the solution to an ailing planet and turbulent planet is to ascend as many individuals as possible. I will add that the program within which we reside is configured in a way which precludes full ascension until internalizing the "Prime Virtue" so to speak - unconditional love. IMO, this is an idea worth investigating for oneself and testing for validity.

[happyuk]

Great post! You touch upon what is often an extremely misinterpreted passage of Christ, the real message I think is far more subtle. Would you hold back if you come across some maniac strangling your child? Of course not. That would not be in the spirit of non-violence, it would be plain cowardly. There are also many passive-aggressives out there. What I think Christ really meant is what you say in your post - don't resist evil by playing along with the whole caper, which I think is the real meaning of 'turning the other cheek'. As anyone who has ever encountered an internet troll would know, doing so is a complete waste of time and saps your energy for worthwhile things.

[Cristi Copac]

why do you like or love jesus christ?

[darthtoaster]

Happy, I totally agree with your assessment. Individual circumstances call for individual solutions, and the underlying premise remains the same - interrupt the karmic cycle. I really appreciate your inputs and insight in this area.

[darthtoaster]

Hello simbad. To me, the word Jesus is a fiction. I find it fitting then that much of the information we have about this Jesus and what he taught is also fiction. As such, I have no feelings either way for Jesus, or the Hobbit, or any character really.

The individual called Yehoshuah is a friend. I value this friendship as I do any other.

Thanks for the question. Much wellness to you

[sigma6]

On the advice of Dennis Leahy, I begin this thread...
...so this is all Dennis' fault!... o.O!~ ...(-oo!)

[SeymourVandal]

Aspen made a good point - what if they're misleading you? What if they're just a remote-vehicle for some guy at a computer terminal someplace? The message I got from reading the op is very familiar - have hope little humans - something greater than you is out there....this message goes so far back into our collective memories...it's the very root of our human condition.

What if we are God - and we're being played?

[Hanson]

If the control system and those who manipulate it were removed, what would happen? I propose that it would be a brutal, chaotic mess, even more so than our orderly, cyclical mess now. So, any answer must in my opinion, factor in the apparent immaturity of humanity at large when trying to solve the big problem of corrupt entities running a corrupt societal machine for personal gain.
This is a great question.

I suggest we have an orderly, brutal, cyclical mess currently. If you could remove the controllers, and prevent others of their type from taking their vacated positions of power, I think the brutality and the cyclical nature would cease or be greatly reduced. This would allow humanity to slowly clean up the mess and move towards a stable framework of minimal order balanced with equality and responsible freedom. Unconditional love supports both equality (you want others to have the same blessings you have) and responsible freedom (we learn and contribute in different ways, i.e. diversity). Indeed, unconditional love even supports a stable framework of minimal order. You can often see all these attributes of unconditional love in the way two united parents raise their children. The immaturity of humanity at large is due to the controllers we wish to remove, because they will not allow humanity to mature. That explains the brutality and the cyclical nature of the mess the controllers continually provide in order to stunt our growth.

[JChombre]

Hello David,

Thank you for keeping the flame alive in this thread. We all learn a lot in your thread and that's wonderful. You are right, the thread is winding down but we will have another opportunity to share more information. I have your address, I will send you mine. I am borrowing from the great Master of all time:

May we all Have Peace

JC

[greybeard]

In line with what Dr David Hawkins wrote.
If the corrupt leaders, dictator is removed particularly by force or just dies then mayhem occurs.
The reason being that each country has a level of consciousness as in Hawkins map of consciousness.
So basically he states that this level of consciousness dictates the level of government.
More of the same is attracted automatically.
The middle east is classic --Saddham Hussein may well have been a tyrant but the country was relatively stable and had a good standard of living.

Virtually every "civilised" country has evolved through strife and civil war to eventually becoming a democracy.
This form of Government may suit the Western mentality but its a mistake to try and "sell it" to those not ready for it.

I always come back to the raising of personal consciousness as the way forward---a rising tide lifts all boats.

Chris

[Becky]

I always come back to the raising of personal consciousness as the way forward---a rising tide lifts all boats.

Chris

Ooh, I really like that quote! Great analogy, though I suspect some boats still have heavier anchors with shorter anchor chains/ropes than others.

[Hanson]

So basically he states that this level of consciousness dictates the level of government.
Could Dr. David Hawkins have it backwards? Perhaps the level of government dictates the level of consciousness. This is more along the lines of what we actually see. For example, the U.S. government had to deceive the public into going to war by spreading the fear of WMDs that didn't exist. 9/11 is another example of herding the public into a mindset of fear and war.

I don't doubt that there is a feedback loop between the level of government and the level of public consciousness, so Dr. Hawkins' observation is not incorrect. But where is the control primarily coming from, the people or the government? Who is steering who?

[greybeard]

So basically he states that this level of consciousness dictates the level of government.
Could Dr. David Hawkins have it backwards? Perhaps the level of government dictates the level of consciousness. This is more along the lines of what we actually see. For example, the U.S. government had to deceive the public into going to war by spreading the fear of WMDs that didn't exist. 9/11 is another example of herding the public into a mindset of fear and war.

I don't doubt that there is a feedback loop between the level of government and the level of public consciousness, so Dr. Hawkins' observation is not incorrect. But where is the control primarily coming from, the people or the government? Who is steering who?

Yes Hanson it is a two way street but an enlightened populous would be wise enough to see through an unscrupulous leadership and resist peacefully.
I suspect this is happening---people are not so gullible.
There is a lot to thank the internet for.
As said when a dictator or corrupt government is deposed it tends to be more of the same.
Anger and extreme frustration is virtually the same energy as the "enemy" so nothing changes.
A change of energy brings different results.
Like to like, a level of consciousness/energy attracts the same level of energy, love attracts love, hate attracts hate.

And yes this why TPTB promote fear through the media with disinformation.

The book by Hawkins, "Power vs Force" explains attractor fields extremely well.

Gandhi famous quote "Be the change you want to see"

Chris

[Hanson]

Holly cow!!! How in God name do you know that I have seen angels or giant beings as you call them? Only my wife knows about this... and I don't tell her everything...
Hi JC, you mentioned very briefly in a post previously that faces of beings you had encountered had been obscured as well. Nothing cosmic on my end.
There's a great lesson here. How many times have we heard the convincing explanation that "no one could have known that, I've never told anyone about that" with the conclusion that something paranormal must be happening. I'm not saying paranormal events don't exist, but I am saying that how people interpret their experiences is often faulty and leads them astray from the truth.


they said this - "Never trust a spirit. Not even us."
It seems the "spirits" (our interpretation again?) agree. If there is deception and mind control in our earthly realm, why shouldn't we expect something similar from our interactions with unfamiliar realms?

[darthtoaster]

Hi Seymour, a very reasonable view you present. If I wrote up the opening post and the meaning conveyed is that our potential is limited, I made a grave error. We are just as much God as anything else, or anyone else. This is my understanding and conviction now. We are composed of God, we have all the attributes and so on. Collectively, we are behaving badly. It wouldn't matter what system we are in, we can be upstanding no matter what. A torture prison or a child in an abusive home are situations which challenge to the highest level but there are many who have emerged from situations like this and shown uncommon love.

Are my contacts real? Are they as they say they are, are their forms accurate? Yes. grin No one can know if what I say or believe my experience to be is accurate. But I do think the message bears consideration - we are magnificent beings and there is literally no limit to our capability, within this context. (universe) The steps to becoming an energetic being are simple - open ones potential by self realizing the need for unconditional love and practicing that, raise ones level of total consciousness (body, to match soul), merge the two and reclaim ones heritage.

Let me expand just a bit. This is not the full picture but that isn't necessary. The body is a real, physical body. (ultimately this isn't accurate but it works for this explanation). The soul is a program. The soul is a replication of a being who once was (believe it or not, an immortal being can be "destroyed", think black hole). There is a way to merge this program which is our soul with the "real" - merge it with the body it occupies. This does two things - the body rescues soul, and in turn the soul transforms body into the image, with the capabilities, of the being it represents. The end result is an ascended soul, transformed to the "real" by merging with the higher programming of body and physical universe at large, and a physical body subsequently transformed to an energetic body. This being can now dematerialize and or materialize, appears in the image of the core programming of soul which is ones true image and is immortal, beyond any control by another being (generally speaking).

The reason this approach works better at transforming this planet is because a being who achieves this (I've been working on this for five years now, it is my life now) goes off the charts in their power of projection. We need to ascend as many as we can, as fast as we can. Examples of ascended beings - Buddha, Yeshua, all those people in Tibet achieving rainbow body, a sweet lady from Texas named Gertrude White (I've had the pleasure of speaking with her), and many more. Religious belief is irrelevant. Atheists can ascend. What is key is unconditional love. It opens all the doors ...

So there's self work involved in coming to terms with the idea of true unconditional love (it took years for me to get it) and there's physical work to do. The body has to be loved. I workout four hours a day :) I haven't used toothpaste in five years (I brush with the brush alone, then rinse). I detox by drinking olive oil mixed with garlic juice every day. I use a version of Dr Rays Body Electronics to heal past unresolved traumas (I put a rolled up towel under my neck for 15 minutes before I go to sleep at night). And there are other things I'm doing which I may speak of later. The point is, the body is responding just as they said it would. The end result is that you become a total being, you become energetic.

There's a reason I mentioned Prahlad Jani, Edel O'Mahoney, Anastasia and Buddha boy earlier - all these people have demonstrated they are energetic beings - they don't require food :)

I am aware there are breatharians who starved to death. This stuff doesn't work without having internalized unconditional love. That's the key which opens all the doors ...

Much wellness to you :)

[darthtoaster]

Hanson, all I can say is you're right, and you're right, and you're right lol.

So let's tell my contacts to take a hike grin and may I suggest an alternative, more ground based source? This is one of the best videos there is IMO...

You are wise to be wary IMO. Very wise. But also I want to make a simple point - we don't want to totally discount inspiration, the "knowing". And there are many individuals who operate with a strong inspiration. Its God in them IMO. And they can hear God ... Sooooo .... sometimes there's more to something than meets the eye. Just something to consider. Thanks for your outstanding points.

Much love

https://youtu.be/0yjM04PH56g

[darthtoaster]

Chris, just my opinion here but in line with what you are saying, if people fully realized their personal power of project tion and how it contributes to the consciousness "field" (s), I think we would all be a lot more vigilant about losing our temper, the words we choose, and so on. I work really hard now to diffuse situations externally and put just as much effort into situations internal to myself. It has been inspiring to see the results.

Thanks for your insights.

[darthtoaster]

Indeed JC, may we all have peace. What an amazing situation that would be :)

Much love bro

[JChombre]

Holly cow!!! How in God name do you know that I have seen angels or giant beings as you call them? Only my wife knows about this... and I don't tell her everything...
Hi JC, you mentioned very briefly in a post previously that faces of beings you had encountered had been obscured as well. Nothing cosmic on my end.
There's a great lesson here. How many times have we heard the convincing explanation that "no one could have known that, I've never told anyone about that" with the conclusion that something paranormal must be happening. I'm not saying paranormal events don't exist, but I am saying that how people interpret their experiences is often faulty and leads them astray from the truth..


Hello Hanson,

It is not everyday that I am asked to talk about my experiences with giant non-earth humans/humanoids (or angels). In fact, no one has ever asked me this question, and no one has asked me about it with a few words that literally summarize my experience with them. Hence, the absolute surprise that I expressed in my response to Darktoaster's comment.

To conclude whether or not something paranormal happened will require that you know exactly why I reacted the way that I did, and you don't know that. So the "great lesson" here is for you, and you choose whatever lesson you want because you are the only one who knows the true about yourself.

However, I would like you to know that to interact with a 9 ft being is an unbelievable experience that completely defies the scientific paradigm. I know that because I have a doctorate in science and 3 other graduate degrees in other fields. Then, to experience 12 of these beings (The Group of Twelve) at the same is something that I do not have words for. Is there something paranormal in these experiences? Very good question.

Good day buddy.

JC

[darthtoaster]

Well JC, its been a whirlwind ride so to speak :)

I have to hear about your encounters if you would choose to enlighten me someday. Even the group of 12 is aligning in parallels to my interactions. So I would like to take in what you say attentively without interruption and process it so to speak. Just to make sure, my email is reprogramreality@gmail.com

For everyone who participated, this has been grand. This is truly a unique forum and I give my sincere thanks to you for listening to what I had to say. Much love and peace to us all

[Hanson]

So the "great lesson" here is for you, and you choose whatever lesson you want because you are the only one who knows the true about yourself.
My observation is not a reflection on the validity of your experience, which I know I cannot judge. It is simply an observation of human behavior and misinterpretation. You thought DT couldn't possibly know about your experiences, because you hadn't mentioned anything about them, and yet DT pointed out that you had indeed mentioned them indirectly, and he had picked up on it.

I use the word "paranormal" just to mean something outside of normal human experience. I don't doubt that you had an unbelievable experience, and I'm sure many of us here would love to read about it. There might be more lessons for us to learn from your experiences.

[Hanson]

So let's tell my contacts to take a hike grin and may I suggest an alternative, more ground based source?
No, we don't tell your contacts to take a hike. Not trusting them unconditionally does not mean dismissing them. It just means being aware that deception can come from any quarter. I think that is what your spirits were trying to communicate, right?

[Hanson]

Yes Hanson it is a two way street but an enlightened populous would be wise enough to see through an unscrupulous leadership and resist peacefully. I suspect this is happening---people are not so gullible.
I suggest this is not happening. The whole system is constructed to keep the populous from any enlightenment. A very small percentage will "wake up" anyway, but the vast majority of the populous are and will likely remain asleep. I would be happy to be wrong about this, so here's to hoping, mate! :cheers:

[greybeard]

Yes Hanson it is a two way street but an enlightened populous would be wise enough to see through an unscrupulous leadership and resist peacefully. I suspect this is happening---people are not so gullible.
I suggest this is not happening. The whole system is constructed to keep the populous from any enlightenment. A very small percentage will "wake up" anyway, but the vast majority of the populous are and will likely remain asleep. I would be happy to be wrong about this, so here's to hoping, mate! :cheers:

Well you never can tell Hanson.
You are right that a small percentage of the population is wakening up--however you throw a stone in the pond and the ripple spreads and spreads.

I think, hope something is happening. The very fact that Eckhart Tolle has millions of followers on face book, his and other spiritual teachers books are selling millions. When I started being interested in spirituality if an author sold a thousand spiritual books it was an event.
Some one is buying them--same with Mooji and Adyahanti, to name but two,u tube videos--watched by many.

This has a knock on effect as those who are rejecting traditional dogma are tinking out of the box and much more aware of what is happening in the world. They dont accept that politicians are telling the truth any more. Its just a matter of time till we see a much more enlightened society in all senses of that word

Best wishes
Chris

[darthtoaster]

Hello Hanson. Again, I believe your observations are wise. Indeed, deception, especially when its good, can come from the most trusted sources, or seem to ... the ability of some to mimic others is rather remarkable and when you factor in holographic capability .... sometimes even seeing is not believing.

Interestingly, their main points in their admonitions to never trust a spirit focused on two main themes - one, that this place is awash with spiritual and informational deception. By this place I mean the world at large. The "channels" have been proliferated so thoroughly, to include visions, that its basically keeping "us" right where "they" want us. In other words, if we have continuing promises of a major change in just 15 years, major transformations coming in just 20 years, alien benevolent contact in just 30 years, etc etc etc ... Or, 22 strand DNA, more (name your color) children born which will raise consciousness, more alien races incarnating here which will help and so on .... What "they" have done is substitute one messiah for several others but the net effect is the same - it keeps us waiting on something external to ourselves to occur which will change everything. Not going to happen. This reality changes when we cast off the messiah's, look inside and find our own power, right now. And we have that power, right now :)

Which leads to their second emphasis on not trusting spirits - make our own decisions. The God factor, the substance of which we are composed, is the only real truth, always situationally accurate. We can't use a cookie cutter approach to loving action and morality. Situations demand specific responses that are tailored. My incapacitating an individual would be unloving in one scenario, and loving in another, for example if the individual was murdering my child, or any child, or any being ... we have generally been led in directions which have us distrust our own power to interpret and understand. How many Christians have told me in my life, as one example, that my judgment is foolishness? Thousands, if you count interactions on the internet. Yet I can pick up on and read God inside me very clearly. I trust God. And the input is unmistakeable ...

I'm on a soapbox here obviously but it is painful to look around the world and see people immersed in the distractions, to the detriment of their own personal ascension. And the distractions seem infinite - the newest music group, newest electronic gadget, cheeseburgers, aliens, wars, space wars, fights and disagreements, family strife, financial concerns, health problems caused by the system and self inflicted obsessions with food and substances ... religion ... profit :) The list is conceivably endless.

We are better than that. End rant :)

Continuing wisdom H, thank you for your post.

[darthtoaster]

Just an input. Tonight I ended a five day fast. I had no time period in mind when I began, I just began.

Everything was fine. My energy levels never dropped, I could think clearly, but I did fantasize about food often. I felt so good i even did a workout last night. Otherwise, i had suspended my workouts. Tonight, I noticed I had an elevated heart rate. So I ate. Some sardines, herring, baked beans and spinach :) No more elevated heart rate. I feel good.

The main point I want to make is that my experience was not matching others. For example, Edel O'Mahoney writes that she was involved in a writing project and just stopped being hungry. So she went with it, and had no ill effects.

What does this mean? To me it means I have not fully internalized what I need to understand, and my post directly above is an example. It should not be painful for me to see others distracted from understanding. Indeed, I clearly have my own lack of understanding. The bottom line is that people must come to understanding in their own time. In their way. How else can it be?

It raises an interesting question - would we want people to come to understanding on their own, or would we want some savior to come into the picture, fix everything and the majority of people to have never really learned anything over their many lifetimes? Its an interesting question. I know my answer, now. Maybe I just learned something :) We'll see.

Peace

[JChombre]

Well JC, its been a whirlwind ride so to speak :)

I have to hear about your encounters if you would choose to enlighten me someday. Even the group of 12 is aligning in parallels to my interactions. So I would like to take in what you say attentively without interruption and process it so to speak. Just to make sure, my email is reprogramreality@gmail.com

For everyone who participated, this has been grand. This is truly a unique forum and I give my sincere thanks to you for listening to what I had to say. Much love and peace to us all

Hey David,

Thank you for providing us your email and certainly thank you for initiating this thread. It has really been very interesting and informative. As far as discussing this information; well, I need time to think about I because I have never talked about these experiences...

Many blessings to you.

JC

[JChombre]

So the "great lesson" here is for you, and you choose whatever lesson you want because you are the only one who knows the true about yourself.
My observation is not a reflection on the validity of your experience, which I know I cannot judge. It is simply an observation of human behavior and misinterpretation. You thought DT couldn't possibly know about your experiences, because you hadn't mentioned anything about them, and yet DT pointed out that you had indeed mentioned them indirectly, and he had picked up on it.

I use the word "paranormal" just to mean something outside of normal human experience. I don't doubt that you had an unbelievable experience, and I'm sure many of us here would love to read about it. There might be more lessons for us to learn from your experiences.

Hello Hanson,

Thank you for taking time to clarify your post and your positions. I do appreciate that.

Sincere regards and many thanks to you.

JC

[Hanson]

the net effect is the same - it keeps us waiting on something external to ourselves to occur which will change everything. Not going to happen. This reality changes when we cast off the messiah's, look inside and find our own power, right now. And we have that power, right now
Well stated. We are the cavalry we have been waiting for to save us. All that deception is to keep us confused, distracted, and passive.


Which leads to their second emphasis on not trusting spirits - make our own decisions. ... we have generally been led in directions which have us distrust our own power to interpret and understand.
Right, do your own thinking. Exercise your judgement, recognize and learn from your errors, and then test your adjusted judgement again.


I'm on a soapbox here obviously but it is painful to look around the world and see people immersed in the distractions, to the detriment of their own personal ascension. We are better than that.
I feel that pain too.

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.” ― Chief Seattle

[Gatita]

Interesting. I sometimes feel that I'm following a script, and I consider the Nazarene a friend and teacher, rather than a savior.

Cat

[darthtoaster]

Well Cat, to support your feelings, reports from some NDEs suggest that what has happened and what will happen already "is" and we are simply playing it out, as a play unfolding upon a stage. As well, the Nazarene is quoted as saying once - "Why do you call me good? Only God is good." (paraphrased) He sounds like someone easy to get along with :)

There is probably a history of yours which led to these observations. I would be interested in hearing about it :)

Peace

[SeymourVandal]

Hi Seymour, a very reasonable view you present. If I wrote up the opening post and the meaning conveyed is that our potential is limited, I made a grave error. We are just as much God as anything else, or anyone else. This is my understanding and conviction now. We are composed of God, we have all the attributes and so on. Collectively, we are behaving badly. It wouldn't matter what system we are in, we can be upstanding no matter what. A torture prison or a child in an abusive home are situations which challenge to the highest level but there are many who have emerged from situations like this and shown uncommon love.

Let me expand just a bit. This is not the full picture but that isn't necessary. The body is a real, physical body. (ultimately this isn't accurate but it works for this explanation). The soul is a program. The soul is a replication of a being who once was (believe it or not, an immortal being can be "destroyed", think black hole). There is a way to merge this program which is our soul with the "real" - merge it with the body it occupies. This does two things - the body rescues soul, and in turn the soul transforms body into the image, with the capabilities, of the being it represents. The end result is an ascended soul, transformed to the "real" by merging with the higher programming of body and physical universe at large, and a physical body subsequently transformed to an energetic body. This being can now dematerialize and or materialize, appears in the image of the core programming of soul which is ones true image and is immortal, beyond any control by another being (generally speaking).

Examples of ascended beings - Buddha, Yeshua, all those people in Tibet achieving rainbow body, a (it took years for me to get it) and there's physical work to do. The body has to be loved. I workout four hours a day :) I haven't used toothpaste in five years (I brush with the brush alone, then rinse). I detox by drinking olive oil mixed with garlic juice every day. I use a version of Dr Rays Body Electronics to heal past unresolved traumas (I put a rolled up towel under my neck for 15 minutes before I go to sleep at night). And there are other things I'm doing which I may speak of later. The point is, the body is responding just as they said it would. The end result is that you become a total being, you become energetic.

There's a reason I mentioned Prahlad Jani, Edel O'Mahoney, Anastasia and Buddha boy earlier - all these people have demonstrated they are energetic beings - they don't require food :)

I am aware there are breatharians who starved to death. This stuff doesn't work without having internalized unconditional love. That's the key which opens all the doors ...

Much wellness to you :)

What a gracious reply! Thank you for sharing your experience, which I don't doubt in the least. I feel guilty for not writing more, but I think what I have to say deserves your full attention. In the first paragraph you extended our agreed upon definition of God to include 'everything' and I believe that to be curse within our language, and therefore within our minds.

Think of this curse as a barb on a barbed-wire fence. Cursive writing bears a mark or curve unique to it's maker. Think of this as one that we have to climb over to see what we need to see. If we don't know which gender a child will choose to express prior to birth, we casually refer to a perfectly innocent divine soul as an 'it'.

There's plenty of books and movies (Steven King comes to mind) that warn about the dangers of that which does not breathe, and babies are not among them. Babies should never be called 'it', but we still do, and it's not our fault. We don't make up words - they are given to us. Language is our keyhole to the world - and it's full of barbs or curses like this one.

We alone create things, and we can destroy them without guilt or remorse if they prove to be harmful. But we never will as long as our definition of God includes them.

I know it's subtle and maybe even obscure, but it's my sincere hope that this distinction adds to your experience of the world in some small way.

With regard to Buddah, etc. - they are unknowable to me. They exist today only in books and in our minds as an 'example' or 'ideal' to be achieved by those who would 'guide us' - although so very few of us ever get anywhere. As a former VP of marketing, I recognize the pattern clearly - whether you're selling weight-loss or piano lessons - you hold up an unrealistic ideal just like a carrot on a stick, then you charge money/time/sweat for each baby step along the path...

Darth Vader was part machine, and so were the Ceylons. I'll also refer you to the character 'David' in the Prometheus movie from 2013. If you watch that movie with this distinction in mind, you'll see what I mean about breath, and you'll understand 2001 Space Odyssey completely without having to suffer through it again.

Thanks for the chance to express this and wishes of continued wellness.

Ps - May I call you 'The Holy Toast' from now on?

[darthtoaster]

Hi Seymour. I've thought about this and the following came to mind. An idea, a unique thought particular to me. If I apply my God definition, this idea must be God. Realistically however, especially if its a bad idea lol, its not God. It is a thought form created by me, my creativity enabled by God. But the idea itself is not God. If it is a bad idea, I release it for a better idea. I "destroy" it. In this way your explanation makes perfect sense and I accept it. Applying this more universally ... I must think on this carefully. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention.

The ones who do not breathe - your cautions to me are well advised. I take them seriously. One thing about my unique experience is that there's a lot to it that I never speak of. There's reasons for that. I know it seems I trust easily. And that can be disturbing for as both you and Hanson point out, this is a deceptive environment which transcends our particular dimensions. Perhaps the main point here from my point of view is simply this - I think the information itself is valuable in the public realm. I think access to it is important. Is it to be believed? My answer would be that if at some point it proves out to any given person based on their own experience and that experience e they themselves consider trustworthy, then it functions as a confirmer. There may be other uses as well. For the time being however, it exists in the realm of ideas for most. This is no doubt where it should remain.

Much love friend :)

[darthtoaster]

One last input ...

As many people have said, this particular "time" in human history is a pivotal time. I just read Bob's posting about 3D Laser printing of DNA. The technology exists which will allow us to improve, modify, repair the human body. Part of this improvement will inevitably involve the integration of technology and the human organism. Transhumanism is upon us, what the Wingmaker interviews suggest is Human 3.0. It is inevatble that word of these capabilities will reach us, the public, and it is just as inevitable that it will be out of our reach, from an economic perspective. This new carrot on a stick will have us chasing after improved life and health, altered appearance, youth technology and ultimately immortality. Ultimately, they will release it when our desire has reached its peak and we are literally begging for it, several generations down the line, and at that point the door is closed - there's no going back from that. This technology will lock individuals into the human paradigm, precluding the possibility of what I have called ascension. The technology will be in control and the human body, in its improved state, will be locked into being human.

There is one who said thousands of years ago - "The meek shall inherit the earth". The meaning behind these words is simple - let us look at the definition of the word meek.

Meek - (from Google) - quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive

It has been assumed over the ages that inheriting the earth was somehow a good thing. And, for some (the vast majority who cannot awake from their programmed slumber), it probably is for the best. The computerized database will function as it always has, these humans will eventually live a decent but highly controlled existence, firmly planted right here where we are now. Over time they will venture beyond, and as a race, interact with other races, spread, and flourish in a way. But, they will always be confined to the human paradigm, never exceeding it.

It is the bold who will transcend humanity and rather than inherit the earth, will inherit the universe. The beings upon which our souls are based (replicated) are far greater in form and capability than what is called human. The magnitude of their power of comprehension and their multidimensional capabilities exceed any other race in this universe, period. This is the true form of the souls which we are. It is our true heritage.

In the universe above this universe, the real one so to speak, that race near annihilated themselves in a war that transcends anything we could conceive. Entire solar systems were annihilated in that war, the result being numerous black holes, around which naturally coalesced galaxies of trillions of stars and bodies. The universe of origin had a vastly different configuration than the one we observe now. We live in a simulated facsimile of the aftermath.

That aforementioned advanced race has not been included in this simulated universe. Instead, an aspect of themselves was included deep in the programming of every sentient being which populates or will populate this simulation. Ascension is possible for any being. In the past, humans have ascended, various individuals within species of alien have ascended and so on. That ancient powerful race lives again, and interestingly, outside observers (those in the real universe who observe us) have noted that as an individual breaks their programming and ascends, they naturally take on the personality and even the memories of that soul which was supposedly destroyed so long ago. Truly, information cannot be destroyed or even imprisoned forever.

The individuals with whom I have contact believe, as do many, that the natural process of sorting is the best - in other words, it is not possible to force someone to awake. They must do it on their own. However, they also recognize that the control system has become so effective at concealing the truth of the matter that there are many souls who remain within their program who would, under different conditions, easily awake and break that programming. This is the primary reason for their interactions with humanity, which span our entire history and go well beyond a little being such as myself. I am only one of a multitude.

The truth is discoverable. One can experience it for themselves. And then, on top of all these things is God. God, as a universal consciousness from our perspective, cannot be excluded from any aspect of any reality. Despite our computational status, God is "in here" with us and is a part of every aspect of us, just as God is a part of every aspect of the larger "real" universe. That wisdom is accessible by every being. Beyond advaced races, the knowledge of God is the single most powerful aspect of our being, beyond any comparison. In the end, God within is the ultimate answer to ascension.

[Hanson]

I know it seems I trust easily. And that can be disturbing for as both you and Hanson point out, this is a deceptive environment which transcends our particular dimensions.
Aye, mate, and therein lies the rub. The balance between trusting as a loving individual among equals and remaining wary to avoid falling victim to the evil hiding amongst us is a difficult balance indeed. Just as some of us are loving, some of us are not. Some of us seek to free others, and some of us seek to enslave them. Some deceive, some reveal truth. Some play on both sides, changing like chameleons to blend in.

Piece of cake, right?

[darthtoaster]

Hello Hanson

Perhaps it is not a simple matter, but perhaps if we adjust our goals? In a peculiar way, sometimes adversity and even betrayal can work to promote growth, or progress. Time and seasoning is sometimes required. But it is no easy matter regardless of ultimate outcome.

I have posted my thoughts unscathed. Not what I expected :) And I have gratitude for this opportunity. What will come, will come. Be like water my friend. (Lee)

In my experience, if I can look into the eyes of an individual, and feel them as it were by what they exude from their form, I know them. While it was somewhat risky at times, I have had the pleasure of meeting 10 of these contacts in the flesh, face to face, eye to eye. Upon this, I base my trust. They did not gain it easily.

Below is my little companion. I found her in the Human Society in Murray UT. She was a VIP guest there, meaning difficult to adopt out. And in her little place with five other dogs, she sat in the corner looking downcast. She had been abused. My friends who speak to me said - This one will change you.

It has been three months and the picture below is from this morning. The eyes tell the story. I have been changed by this little one. It is possible to recover. Her spirit is indomitable. I want to be like her.

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/darthtoaster/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150614_1144539592_zpsmjbzhci2.jpg

[JChombre]

One last input ...

1) Transhumanism is upon us, what the Wingmaker interviews suggest is Human 3.0.

2) The meek shall inherit the earth. ...It is the bold who will transcend humanity and rather than inherit the earth, will inherit the universe.

3) That aforementioned advanced race has not been included in this simulated universe. Instead, an aspect of themselves was included deep in the programming of every sentient being which populates or will populate this simulation. Ascension is possible for any being. ... That ancient powerful race lives again, and interestingly, outside observers (those in the real universe who observe us) have noted that as an individual breaks their programming and ascends, they naturally take on the personality and even the memories of that soul which was supposedly destroyed so long ago.


4) The truth is discoverable. One can experience it for themselves. That wisdom is accessible by every being. In the end, God within is the ultimate answer to ascension.

Hello David,

Very insightful post. Thank you for sharing.

Your first point, deals with the transhumanist Human 3.0; which is an immortal human-machine. I agree with everything that you say about this variation of Humam 3.0.

However, the WingMakers also talked about another variation of Human 3.0 that for us, is preferable to the Human 3.0 cyborg. This heart-centered Human 3.0 will appear around 2080 according to the WingMakers. I think that I is important to mention this variation of Human 3.0 so that we know that we are not condemned to become cyborgs.

I would like to mentioned that I experienced the WingMakers' information when it was first published in the late 1990s. This information highly resonates with my knowingness, in spite of the misinformation that was deliberated introduced in it.

In your second key point, you give a unique interpretation to: "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth". In all honesty, I am very intrigued by your: "It is the bold who will transcend humanity and rather than inherit the earth, will inherit the universe". So, I just "listened" to your explain, and it resonated well with my knowingness.

I am very much intrigued and interested in your third key point about the ancient race that had embedded a part of themselves in the programming of every sentient being. I think that the programmers were not fully aware of the potential of these embedded parts. These embedded energy fragments can self-activate and initiate ascension. They were used as a safeguard against enslaving sovereign beings forever into immortal Human 3.0 cyborgs or the likes.

What I mean here is that the incorporation of energy fragments of this ancient race is our programming was designed to allow sentient beings like us to self-trigger ascension when a certain level of awareness is reached.

Another thing here is that it is possible for us to "see" the energy fragments of this race that is embedded in us. To "see" it means that you would need to have your eyes closed to see it; and the fragment will show itself if it so desires.

Finally, for me your last key point is the most critical one because you say: "In the end, God within is the ultimate answer to ascension". That is precisely why the controllers are throwing a million distractions (poverty, disease, ... fear) in our way so that we can forget the divine spark in us that make us God. Now I am just wondering if this God spark is the same as the embedded energy fragment from the ancient race.

You also say: "The truth is discoverable. One can experience it for themselves. That wisdom is accessible by every being."

Again, you are absolutely right. You call it "wisdom", I call it "knowingness" because you just "know" the information, or you "know" what is true or right with absolute certainty; without any substantiating evidence or background information. Using the scientific method to prove this or that does not work here; that is why I am not comfortable talking about my experiences.

Anyway, friend thank you initiating this thread. It has taking us in a lot directions and we have all learned a lot.

Many blessings to you

JC

[darthtoaster]

Hi JC. Let me approach your points in reverse order.

You are not comfortable speaking of your experiences - in many ways perhaps, they differ from my experiences in substantive ways, they differ from the norm, possibly you feel speaking of them will not deter what is to come, and so on. I am brainstorming here basically, guessing :)

I fully understand being wary of speaking out. I've been told several times myself that speaking out has not altered the ultimate chain of destiny in any substantive way. It is perhaps a nice way of them telling me that my words are futility lol. It is their position however that those who will come out will do so no matter what. My little words cannot alter this (fortunately) but these words also cannot, if they are right, assist someone who would not otherwise ascend. This has been difficult for me to accept and as you can see, I still speak. But I do so because I have a knowing, and while they may not be wrong in their computational foresight as they call it, there is a reason and a purpose at least to speak these things here, at this time, and this is personal to me - a knowing of my own, independent of them. And they acknowledge, readily, that it is possible I may be feeling a truth they are not privy to. So until I feel otherwise, I communicate as seems appropriate. Does this mean I think you should speak out? Not in any way. I trust your judgment completely in the care of your own experience. My curiosity is no factor, and I am simply pleased that you have what I consider an ongoing experience that is edifying to you and helpful.

I also feel I must give more credence to the Wingmaker material you reference. Indeed, the major thrust of Interview 5 is a cautionary tale of why it is vital to avoid the transhumanist path. My concern is what I personally see on the immediate horizon - the compulsory introduction of technological devices (a nanotechnology injection basically) in our newborns, without our parental knowledge or consent. Our government here in America has done similar things before - the MK-Ultra program as one example. As such, I do not feel I can wait until 2080 for example. I feel it will be too late. This is the primary aspect of Interview 5 which literally gives me chills - is it stalling those of us who might question at the deeper levels just long enough for the transhumanist agenda to be implemented without anyone even being aware of its immediate existence? This is the driving force behind any words I say which emphasize that now is the time, now is the fleeting window of opportunity. The Sovereign Integral idea seems novel and compelling, but it is ethereal to me, meaning I don't understand it grin. I just don't grasp what its trying to convey.

Now all that said, that is a heavy dose of Dave. The other view which I receive and I'll just type it out verbatim - Anyone who can exit the system, will exit the system. Do not fear for others, have faith for a change. Grin Have faith for a change. Yes, the hallmark of others who have walked before us and exited the system was faith. I am woefully lacking in this same faith. The only place I will find the justification for it is within myself.

More self work ...

The aspect you mention of self triggering ascension is an eloquent way of expressing it. I like it very much. And faith trips that trigger. Love, faith, compassion - one who has sought the experience to understand, and has done the hard work to achieve the understanding, will self trigger their own salvation. I have gained from your words, they have provoked the right things in me JC. Thank you for sharing your inspiration.

Peace of knowing to you, may it continue to grow and build

[Hanson]

In a peculiar way, sometimes adversity and even betrayal can work to promote growth, or progress. Time and seasoning is sometimes required.
I have experienced that truth as well, many times.


I have posted my thoughts unscathed. Not what I expected :)
We are grateful for small favors.


My friends who speak to me said - This one will change you.
Yes, love is like that.

[boutreality]

I do enjoy those that are willing to question what has been seen for too long, in my opinion, as our only way out. I thank you and Radi, who started the What if? thread in this forum. I'd like to offer the following:

1 Many, if not all of us avalonians, would say their are rulers that work in secret societies possessing their own belief systems from which they derive their 'providence' and ability to maintain control. Lucifer;Thule/Black Sun, Moloch etc.

2 Actions of these forces they follow are purported to be real and palpable- a something actually keeps their plans enforced and makes it difficult for newer acolytes and even older members to change the dictated course or events. Presumably this explains the need of a pyramidal structure of insight- the more you know the "the big picture" as you are shown it through ceremony, ritual, world events, etc, the less fellow people there are around you that know it too.

3 It seems at least plausible to us that a break off civilization hoards all advances in technology and benefits from it while using it to serve only their own purposes when parts of it can be used for control; man-made ufos and more. This advanced tech may be eons old, even from elsewhere in the cosmos.

Taken these three precepts, I propose an allegory based on the movie/storyline of Avatar- The Last Airbender (or just check out the pdf at the bottom, my findings- what this is all leading up to)

People lived in unity with earth and came to harness all elements of existence as natural functions of their being, eventually people came to lose control natural over each element and disparate societies and schools sprung up specializing in controlled use of one element, considering it their natural ability.
-Brief Diversion: Taoism holds metal to be separate element making a five element system: Earth to Metal to Water to Wood to Fire back to Earth; each listed in order of 'normal, healthy' flow-
"Metal Benders" and/or "Fire Benders," lost most of their natural abilities to Control, or "Bend" their chosen elements. These groups then structured from metal a mechanical, exterior way to control fire and sued the power this process enabled them to harness to wreak havoc on the rest of the world. It's a decent film if seen in this light, feature a good amount of Tai Chi.

What I found in years of training and dedication borne from a specific personal experience I had a little over twenty years ago, is in the pdf below. My areas of focus lately have been precisely how these rulers maintain their lives without being subject to the same 'karma' we are. Karma seen as linear time as known to any sentient being. In the vein at space is always in union with consciousness and time vibrates according to sentience; our world makes this process a mostly unconscious affair; the agent of this process is suggested in the pdf as well.

It's icky business and has definitely led me into severe 'psychic' -it's all physical on some level, even if it's projected electro-magnetics- attacks from which I've learned to endure, get stronger and to meter out any information I can share sparingly, in hope that others can avoid the same difficulties I've found. My sincere reason that I post and re-post this is the hope that it reaches people at a stage in their own becoming that they can make valid use of this info and direct their energy and efforts accordingly in their own practice. Naturally it is most often dismissed, ignored or argued against (there are conclusions that are not so popular.) I don't seek to control or convince others' opinions. I'll eventually share a few more 'features' of this covert technological control system. However, foremost there is work to be done and that is where my interest lies.

To whatever moderator: you can take down "The Luciferian Machine" thread I started when I first posted this pdf- I'm not sure how this affects bandwidth and I just don't stay at my computer often and long enough to attentively start a thread; I just feel that what I prepared best sums up what I wish to communicate on this and a few other topics. Or, take down the pdf here and link to the thread I started. Thank you!

[sigma6]

Aspen made a good point - what if they're misleading you? What if they're just a remote-vehicle for some guy at a computer terminal someplace? The message I got from reading the op is very familiar - have hope little humans - something greater than you is out there....this message goes so far back into our collective memories...it's the very root of our human condition.

What if we are God - and we're being played?

Then God would have a split personality? perhaps even psychosis?... then again if that was the case maybe we are God... (haha... just kiddin')