What do you really know?

[Jhonie]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.

[Troy Martin]

Curious, how do you prove that you are experiencing this moment?

[Rich]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?


prove to who?

[ghostrider]

I have read the watchers predictions , and history has proved them true , every time ... so now when they give a prediction , I know , it will occur ... for over 72 years they have been spot on ... it is so true what they say , eyes to see but they do not see , ears to hear but they do not hear ...

[regnak]

Accept where you are is the hardest part then like where you are last step is changing where you are :p

[etheric underground]

proving something is ego based....it is something we think we need for attention,possessions or approval of others.
There is great irony in letting go of this idea of proving yourself, because in dropping it, you will gain exactly what you’ve sought in the first place.
You will gain the ultimate approval of the only opinion that matters, that of Truth.
You will also gain the respect you seek from others as well, because no one can argue or taint the
truth.
If you are true, they have nothing to say or think wrongly about you.
You will find the very best of friends along this path.

The one value I know to be true is that I will always keep learning....

[DeDukshyn]

...

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.

I don't "think" further comments are needed beyond that observation; In Fact, that is what I really know ;) At the same time, the experience can be filled all sort of things, most fill theirs with judgements, misery, guilt, doubt, fear; etc. It is all up to each of us to learn to embrace the experience, that is the present moment.

[blake]

Hello Jhonie,

That is one of my favourite questions that I have pondered over the decades. It's an old teaching modality to get people thinking. No matter what the topic whether teaching, writing, lecturing or on a consult, I alway ask: what do you know for sure about this? what do you think you know about this? and what would you like to know about this?

For myself, there are few things I know for sure due to the manipulation of information and disinformation or partial lies or partial truths that we encounter in or both public and private lives.


Since kindness should make the world so round but the populations have been retrained to behave in a way as to have money make the world go around. I know fro sure that understanding money will help me understand what the truth is about almost anything political or social.

What I know for sure is that at one time America had real money and because of that the average American could create family wealth to pass down to the next generation. But when real money was replaced by fiat currency and when the banks became spies on the American public, instead of creating family wealth, the Average American creates debt to be passed down to the next generation. The average American doesn't pay attention to his/her savings account but only his/her credit score.

If only the average American understood the simple ABCs of real money and creating family wealth, then the people would stay in control of their lives instead of being dictated to on where and how to spend their money, or have their none so easily siphoned form them. What I know for sure is that when cash is banned, then 1776 will be dead and buried.

[WhiteLove]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.

- The Einstein force & anti-gravity at < 5% margin of error
- Infinite love acceleration -> soul fusion -> dimensional shift
- A rough understanding about kind of how a UFO operates
- Bob Lazar is likely telling the truth
- Pay attention to what is missing and you will find the truth in what is hidden
- The world is corrupt at its very core, including the entire jurisdictional system
- There is deception in a lot of news media
- That "UFOs" exist (have witnessed with my own eyes)
- That war & violence does not create peace, but love, peace and truth creates peace and joy
- The RA material is highly intelligent
- Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life
- Unconditional love is cosmic truth

There is also a lot that I know that I don't know... Like for instance are we living multiple lives at once and how many lives are going on simultaneously per cycle and how do these cycles work, that's something I'm currently studying.

[DeDukshyn]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.

- The Einstein force & anti-gravity at < 5% margin of error
- Infinite love acceleration -> soul fusion -> dimensional shift
- A rough understanding about kind of how a UFO operates
- Bob Lazar is likely telling the truth
- Pay attention to what is missing and you will find the truth in what is hidden
- The world is corrupt at its very core, including the jurisdictional system
- There is deception in a lot of news media
- That "UFOs" exist (have witnessed with my own eyes)
- The RA material is highly intelligent
- Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life
- Unconditional love is cosmic truth

There is also a lot that I know that I don't know... Like for instance are we living multiple lives at once and how many lives are going on simultaneously per cycle and how do these cycles work, that's something I'm currently studying.

"within Margins of error"?
"likely telling the truth"?
"rough understanding"?

I'm only poking fun in jest, but I think you missed the mark with this exercise a little .. :P

[DeDukshyn]

Curious, how do you prove that you are experiencing this moment?

I suppose it could be someone else experiencing it for me, wait ... that doesn't any make sense; or, perhaps I am experiencing a different moment than the present one? Oh wait ... wouldn't a different moment be the moment I am experiencing presently, therefore it would categorically still be the "present moment"? Or perhaps I am not experiencing anything at all ... oh wait, then it would be all black and silent with no thought or existence.

By basic deductive reasoning, that is how you prove it. But good one! :)

[WhiteLove]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.

- The Einstein force & anti-gravity at < 5% margin of error
- Infinite love acceleration -> soul fusion -> dimensional shift
- A rough understanding about kind of how a UFO operates
- Bob Lazar is likely telling the truth
- Pay attention to what is missing and you will find the truth in what is hidden
- The world is corrupt at its very core, including the jurisdictional system
- There is deception in a lot of news media
- That "UFOs" exist (have witnessed with my own eyes)
- The RA material is highly intelligent
- Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life
- Unconditional love is cosmic truth

There is also a lot that I know that I don't know... Like for instance are we living multiple lives at once and how many lives are going on simultaneously per cycle and how do these cycles work, that's something I'm currently studying.

"within Margins of error"?
"likely telling the truth"?
"rough understanding"?

I'm only poking fun in jest, but I think you missed the mark with this exercise a little .. :P

I say it like the humble messenger of the law of one: "However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery." :P

[DeDukshyn]

I'm only poking fun in jest, but I think you missed the mark with this exercise a little .. :P

I say it like the humble messenger of the law of one: "However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery." :P

Ah, nice quote, but I do not equate "understanding" with "knowing". I may understand a detailed description of what honey tastes like ... but I will never know the taste of honey, have the experience of honey, until I taste the honey ... as Eckhart Tolle would say ... :P

It is within this distinction, that I poked the fun ;)

[Rich]

Curious, how do you prove that you are experiencing this moment?

you would have to prove it with another moment.

and how do you know the experience is happening in the moment and not some past memory?

[The Royal Wizard]

Where do I find "the watchers predictions"?

TRW

[lake]

I know as truth from my perception the following:

That the greater percentage of you will not like this post.
That the English language is a form of control.
That if you consume dead flesh, you are not spiritual.
That this is hell for 99% of species on this plane.
That this quote is correct:
2% of people think, 3%of people think they think, 95% of people would prefer to die than think.
That I can exist outside of this body, therefore I am not this body.
That my perception of self does not require a doctor nor dentist.
That there are multiple types of beings on this plane and most are evil.
That most beings defined as human are already dead.
That the essence of nature in this place is satanic.
That cancer was understood and cured in the 1930's.
That I am aware in a place where my thoughts create but it is not a reflection of me, it is already templated, second by second not first by first. The real (reel) is already defined.
That most are slave hive beings who cannot define a moral compass of their own.
That I cry when I read Othello and laugh when I read Pratchett.
That staring at the morning sun did not blind me. ( perception of reality required here).
That the continued use of technology removes empathy.
That in essence I am a parasite using a body for selfish gain.
That a percentage of my thoughts I did not create.
That I interagate all my supposed thoughts.
That love is a selfish act used to bolster ego.
That there is only this place....it is all and no thing simultaneously.
That my frequency here defines my reel ( real).
That I cannot die as I am already experiencing death.
That dementia is a disconnected frequency.
That within compassion and empathy are the only true values.
That most within this plane is a plain deception.
That I dream in the third person, watching myself and remember the past in the third person.
That I like motorbikes and tools.
That this post is, from my perception or single verse, incomplete.... But I know as truth that I am bored of typing and that many of you will be bored of reading!
pmsl

[Harley]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

I know that if I provided proof for what I really know I'd be in big trouble.

Therefore, I know that I do not need to prove to anyone what I really know.

And I just proved that by saying so right here!

:)

[Hervé]

[...]
Therefore, I know that I do not need to prove to anyone what I really know.

[...]

"Need"? Or being prevented from proving anything for fear of big troubles?

[Agape]

What do I really know ... :sun: there's an Art within an Art within an Art ... vow within a vow ,
there are words and there are meanings .

They're one in their pure and original form
but more like reflections in hall of mirrors in worlds of duality
of which this planet serves as one .
In between the two sliding edges of cosmic measures
we're still trying to agree on symbols

while we should understand each other from hearts

rather than through symbols


:flower::bearhug:

[LAB]

My signature sums up what I choose to disclose to most, but I probably know more than I 'should' and I can barely prove that to myself, let alone anyone else.

[Carmody]

I think, therefore particle/wave differential ---exists.

After that, I'm afraid it's all Blue Mondays....

[ulli]

I know that the universe responds to my wishes.
Have seen it happen too many times to have any doubt left.
I also know that others have observed the same thing.

But I also know that there are no guarantees that it will happen 100% of the time,
and that there are other factors which in hindsight produce even better results than I could have imagined.

[Earthlink]

I go to the bathroom, therefore, I am.

I dunno, that seems enough for me :clapping:

[Ewan]

The only thing I know for sure is that the reality I (we?) perceive is not the only reality. I have direct experience of something alternate.

But then how do I know it wasn't just a shift from one dream state to another?

I don't!

Sh**! I don't know anything!

Conversely I believe lots of things, most of which are transient given enough time.

[ALLiTiZ]

I have read the watchers predictions , and history has proved them true , every time ... so now when they give a prediction , I know , it will occur ... for over 72 years they have been spot on ... it is so true what they say , eyes to see but they do not see , ears to hear but they do not hear ...

Where can I find this information?

[ghostrider]

I have read the watchers predictions , and history has proved them true , every time ... so now when they give a prediction , I know , it will occur ... for over 72 years they have been spot on ... it is so true what they say , eyes to see but they do not see , ears to hear but they do not hear ...

Where can I find this information?
links can be found at http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Reports ...http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.figu.org%2Fch... http://au.figu.org/...http://ca.figu.org/ ... http://www.theyfly.com/... http://www.meiersaken.info/...http://beam2eng.blogspot.co.uk/?view=flipcard... too many to list all of them ... I've been following the plejarens information for five years now ... I see an event in the news , then check the contact reports/dates , time of contact etc , in some cases they give the name and exact time the event will happen - they are never wrong ...they predicted the destruction of the WTC in 1987 for example , and the two Iraq wars and who would be president at the time etc ... 26,000 pages of contact reports and that's only one fourth of the information the rest is still in German ...

[Ruby]

I know that I exist. Everything else is an opinion or belief.

[StandingWave]

I am. Being is its own proof.

[Ruby]

Exactly. When someone asks me if I believe in or can prove the existence of God, that's what I tell them. Here I am. I AM. I exist.

[CD7]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?




Me thinks this IS one of the most important <Points > to get!

A person cannot always 'prove' what they know....but you can sure as hell KNOW from your OWN experiences/observations more then ANYTHING YOU ARE TOLD -TO BELIEVE-

WE are FRACTURED so "knowing" comes in pieces according to Ones perspective/placement (mentally, physically-the whole nine yards)

In Essence, we are to COMBINE our perspective knowing (pieces) to JUST GET A GLIMPSE of the shadows--------awwww to combine into ONE----awww to dream

[lake]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?




Me thinks this IS one of the most important <Points > to get!

A person cannot always 'prove' what they know....but you can sure as hell KNOW from your OWN experiences/observations more then ANYTHING YOU ARE TOLD -TO BELIEVE-

WE are FRACTURED so "knowing" comes in pieces according to Ones perspective/placement (mentally, physically-the whole nine yards)

In Essence, we are to COMBINE our perspective knowing (pieces) to JUST GET A GLIMPSE of the shadows--------awwww to combine into ONE----awww to dream

BINGO....we have a winner.......

Perception.

My truth is not yours, it is MINE.
You have not and cannot have knowledge of MY emotional interaction within this SINGULAR experience of MINE.

Perception.

All is truth and lie.
The Earth is both flat and round.

Would be a waste if we all go home having watched the EXACT same reel of seconds!
.......we would have nothing to talk about

[Wookie]

All I know is I don't know nothing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo96jeVW-cU

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[CD7]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?




Me thinks this IS one of the most important <Points > to get!









A person cannot always 'prove' what they know....but you can sure as hell KNOW from your OWN experiences/observations more then ANYTHING YOU ARE TOLD -TO BELIEVE-

WE are FRACTURED so "knowing" comes in pieces according to Ones perspective/placement (mentally, physically-the whole nine yards)

In Essence, we are to COMBINE our perspective knowing (pieces) to JUST GET A GLIMPSE of the shadows--------awwww to combine into ONE----awww to dream

BINGO....we have a winner.......

Perception.

My truth is not yours, it is MINE.
You have not and cannot have knowledge of MY emotional interaction within this SINGULAR experience of MINE.

Perception.

All is truth and lie.
The Earth is both flat and round.

Would be a waste if we all go home having watched the EXACT same reel of seconds!
.......we would have nothing to talk about

Ding ding ding.!!!....do I pick from door #1 #2 or #free. :-D

[Jhonie]

What wonderful and interesting posts. I have discovered within myself different kinds of knowing. I know my hands are typing right now and I know someone will read these words and I have a knowing that some will respond according to their own knowing or understanding. But how do we know that others understand your knowing in the same way it is understood by you?

[URIKORN]

Not what you believe but what do you really know that you can truly prove?

The only thing I think I know is that I am experiencing this moment.


This statement is a good start for real learning.
For me, the only real and promising starting point.
We probably know a lot of things, but it is all mixed with conditioning, habit, personal weaknesses.
So, at a certain point we have to learn to go back to Zero Point and relearn everything afresh,
from within our most authentic inner experiencing.

For example: we have to start to feel and examine these very weird and magical "animals": words, concepts, numbers.

[URIKORN]

What wonderful and interesting posts. I have discovered within myself different kinds of knowing. I know my hands are typing right now and I know someone will read these words and I have a knowing that some will respond according to their own knowing or understanding. But how do we know that others understand your knowing in the same way it is understood by you?

If in your inner experience this is not a mere intellectual wisdomry but it is something that really captivates your wonder
then stay with the question and wait for your totality to mature enough, so that, possibly, an answer will emerge.
In my world, a genuine question may energe at twenty and be answered at sixty, or left unanswered until death.

A genuine question deserves genuine patience and all rounded experiencing.
I used to say sometimes: I opened a project inside myself and if it has a real life force it stays active for scores of years
And I have, like many people, many opened-active projects in my heart (inner consciousness). And that is the way it should be in a mentally healthy person.

[CD7]

What wonderful and interesting posts. I have discovered within myself different kinds of knowing. I know my hands are typing right now and I know someone will read these words and I have a knowing that some will respond according to their own knowing or understanding. But how do we know that others understand your knowing in the same way it is understood by you?

I think one main point is we shouldn't think we have to get to a place where we are understood by another....as a result of varying perspectives its rare two people understand each other COMPLETELY but you can get great idea based upon common experience

Real genuine understanding can be communicated via the heart frequencies with no "mind/language" to relate it

[wnlight]

Well, lake, if you truely believe that list of yours, then it is my perception that you do not enjoy life on this beautiful Earth half as much as I do.

[lake]

Well, lake, if you truely believe that list of yours, then it is my perception that you do not enjoy life on this beautiful Earth half as much as I do.

Beauty is as some say to be in the eye ( i ) of the beholder ( holder being a vessel to contain and limit a substance \ concept).
Who said hell wasn't beautiful if compared with a stunned memory?
Yes I could enjoy so called life on this so called beautiful Terra if I could be willfully ignorant and unempathic regarding the use and unbelievable abuse given freely through choice towards every, without exception, awareness by humans.

I could live with a concept of "Evil Aliens From Another Dimension" but this is simply the human activity which astounds my being.

Just to pull one from my "incomplete list" , if you consume dead flesh you are not spiritual.

This to me is a simple matter and I am open to all and any perceptions.

If you conceive that it is of a personal need to eat another awareness then you must have good reason?

If that reasoning is that you have a "right" seeing as you are of a greater intelligence and more organised, then you may not complain if a even better constructed consciousness decided to use you and your kind for food.

But you still complain about the elite. Why should they not "consume" you...

If it is that you can because you have the ability to use greater forces, then a more ruthless species should vex you not as they tear you limb from limb whilst having a glass of wine amid entertaining conversation.

Strength and intelligence should be used to protect another....not to utilise another for selfish gain.

If it is because your physical form requires the nutriments which you perceive give it life, then you still consider yourself of this place and are clinging to material possessions such as the form, or self perception of form which you "think" is important.

Or as most, you have never actually given actual consideration to YOUR actions and defined your own moral compass.... Which therefore decrees that it is very possible that you have relinquished responsibility for personal actions and just follow that which the "mass" believe.

The above is of course not directed at you wnlight, it is only a thought to attempt to convey the reasoning behind one sentence on "my list".

I state again....my truth within my perception, my wave particle deception, which no other has my knowledge of.......is the only padlocked vault ( firmament) which funds my self awareness the opportunity to NOT "stomp around like a god".

:highfive:

The post by wnlight below I have answered by pm so as to not hijack this thread.

[wnlight]

I feel that I am being pulled into a conversation that hijacks this thread, but I must ask lake if he eats and if so, then what. Even the 'lowly' plant kingdom has perception, organisation, and perhaps feelings. But of course, if you have chosen not to eat, then you WILL soon find a way off this lovely planet. Please do not tell me that you choose dairy products because they rob the life sustenance from the calf which is then tortured into veal. Yes, I am aware and I choose to take my sustenance from both the plant and animal kingdoms with thanks to them. When I lived in the USA, I chose meat from animals that were butchered humanely - when I had a choice. Here in Ecuador, I admit, that I do not know if there even IS a choice.
As to the more intelligent, organised, and forceful aliens - I ask ask my angels for protection and if that should fail me then I am prepared. Better to feed some other life form than to rot in a grave.
It seems, from your list, that you have had a very hard life. It is a shame that children are not taught early on how to ask their guardian angels to protect them from evil, and also how to avoid attracting negative energies.

[Jhonie]

For those who want to wake - up ...

This one question—“What do I know for certain?”—is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it’s meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about yourself, everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions—things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state.

- Adyashanti, The End of your World

[Bluegreen]

The key to happiness arithmetic
1
Help other people
+
2
"Louie Louie" by the Kingsmen
1RZJ4ESU52U
=
If nothing else definite progress

[Atlas]

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[Rich]

From ACIM

Those who remember always that they know nothing, and who have become willing to learn everything, will learn it. But whenever they trust themselves, they will not learn. They have destroyed their motivation for learning by thinking they already know. Think not you understand anything until you pass the test of perfect peace, for peace and understanding go together and never can be found alone. Each brings the other with it, for it is the law of God they be not separate. They are cause and effect, each to the other, so where one is absent the other cannot be.





For those who want to wake - up ...

This one question—“What do I know for certain?”—is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it’s meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about yourself, everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions—things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state.

- Adyashanti, The End of your World

If I really knew something, I wouldn't have to think it.
No need to think that you know if you really know.
The truth is true, it must reveal itself by itself.