Hitler DID escape Germany in 1945: Staggering new claims point to huge Nazi cover-up

[Cidersomerset]

This subject comes up often and since the fall of the Soviet Union and more dot
connecting and open investigations and discussions on the web these many , so
called 'conspiracy theories' . Which are in truth 'Real Conspiracies' are starting to be
shed more light. Hitler , like JFK , 9/11 , 7/7 and many other individuals and major
events like 'false flags' are coming to light. They have always happened in one form
or another and are happening around the world today in various conflict areas and
potential hot spots....

Much of what is said in the article has been speculated on here before in several
Hitler threads , but always an interesting subject imo as it potentially leads to
other events and cover ups.

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Hitler DID escape Germany in 1945: Staggering new claims point to huge Nazi cover-up

new Saturday 13th June 2015 at 08:08 By ickonic

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‘Adolf Hitler did not commit suicide but escaped before his death was faked in a
massive cover up by the Nazis, historians have sensationally claimed.In allegations
set to debunk one of the biggest slices of world history, Russia is also accused of
hiding vital evidence proving the Fuhrer and his wife Eva Braun fled in disguise.Two
corpses found after the Second World War reported to be those of Hitler and Braun
were in fact murdered body doubles.

The claims due to be aired in an explosive television expose tomorrow will blow
wide open theories of what happened to the world’s most infamous mass
murderers.’

Read more: Hitler DID escape Germany in 1945: Staggering new claims point to huge Nazi cover-up

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/583845/Did-Hitler-ESCAPE-Germany-in-1945-Staggering-new-discovery-points-to-huge-Nazi-cover-up

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Hitler DID escape Germany in 1945: Staggering new claims point to huge Nazi cover-up

ADOLF Hitler did not commit suicide but escaped before his death was faked in a
massive cover up by the Nazis, historians have sensationally claimed.

By Nathan Rao
PUBLISHED: 04:52, Fri, Jun 12, 2015 | UPDATED: 07:52, Fri, Jun 12, 2015



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Hitler and Eva Braun in Germany in 1940 GETTY

In allegations set to debunk one of the biggest slices of world history, Russia is also
accused of hiding vital evidence proving the Fuhrer and his wife Eva Braun fled in
disguise.Two corpses found after the Second World War reported to be those of Hitler
and Braun were in fact murdered body doubles.

The claims due to be aired in an explosive television expose tomorrow will blow wide
open theories of what happened to the world’s most infamous mass murderers.
The programme claims Hitler did not die at the end of the war and threatens to expose
the foundation of post-Second World War history as nothing more than a tissue of “lies”.
Official records hold the brutal dictator, shamed in defeat in April 1945, shot himself in
the head in a bunker in Berlin while his wife took a lethal cyanide pill.

But their bodies were swiftly burned with reports confirming their deaths based on what
is now claimed to be dubious eyewitness evidence.

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Hitler with Eva Braun escaped Nazi Germany according to historians GETTY

Journalist, author and historian Gerrard Williams claims two innocent lookalikes were
murdered with the world falling victim to a “duplicitous deception”.

He said: “I believe that in April 1945 the real Hitler along with Eva Braun were spirited
out of the bunker where they escaped.

“They did not die, we were lied to, we’re still being lied to.”

He claims secret FBI documents reveal the Americans were investigating sightings of
the Nazi leader months and years after the end of the war.According to official records
Hitler’s body was found with Eva Braun’s in Berlin before they were destroyed and their
deaths announced by German officials.That November an official report was released by
the British Intelligence Services claiming the evil duo died shortly after 2.30 on April 1945.

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Hitler was smuggled out of Germany by the Nazis, according to historians GETTY

However it was largely based on third party accounts and contains an admission that
the deaths were confirmed “as conclusively as possible without bodies”.

Any speculation was put to bed 23 years later when a Russian autopsy apparently
matched a recovered jawbone to Hitler’s dental records.A skull fragment complete with
bullet hole confirmed the cause of death to be suicide with subsequent DNA testing in
2009 backing these findings.However historians now claim this data was flawed and the
Russian government is still refusing any access to the body parts.

They say “eyewitness evidence” used to write the British Intelligence Services report
was nothing more than feeble statements given to Soviet interrogators.Professor
Williams said the Russians’ failure to announce they had found the body of Hitler in
1945 casts serious doubts adding “we have been sold a dummy”.

He said: “There are no bodies reported discovered in 1945 and this is something which
amazes me.

“It’s only in 1968 they said ‘well actually 23 years ago, despite what we said at the
time, we did discover the bodies of Adolf and Eva’.

“It just doesn’t make any sense at all.”

He warns of “real problems within official history” and said official records confirming
the deaths of Hitler and his wife are seriously flawed.

“It is supported by eyewitnesses who actually never saw anybody get shot,” he said.

“They never see the Fuhrer and Eva go into his private quarters in the bunker.

“They see bodies coming out but nobody ever see Hitler and Eva dead.

“I am pretty convinced two people probably did die in the bunker at the end of April
1945 but they weren't Hitler and Eva Braun.

“Two doubles replaced them and it was those who were murdered and their bodies
disposed of later.

“The FBI never believed Hitler was dead, they looked for him around the world.”

Sonke Neitzel, Professor of history at the London School of Economics, said witness
accounts used to compile the British report into Hitler’s death are unreliable.

He said: “We know that prisoners who had been in the bunker most likely lied to the
Soviets when they were interrogated.”

It is thought Hitler escaped Germany in an elaborate plan coordinated by his private
secretary Martin Bormann.After he and Eva Braun were out of danger two innocent
people were executed and their bodies planted in a shallow grave later to be discovered.

Professor Williams said: “And that’s it - end of history, end of Hitler.

“After these deaths everybody thought this is what’s happened.

“If you tell a lie often enough and loudly enough it becomes the truth, and in this case
what the world accepted as the truth is this lie.”

Theories have come to light that Hitler was taken to a stronghold in the South Pole
where the Nazis had plans of colonisation.

Conspiracy: The Death of Hitler will be shown on Channel Five at 8pm on Friday June 12

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This is not the mentioned channel 5 doc , which I cannot find a clip of yet.


"HITLER'S ESCAPE TO ARGENTINA" SHARKHUNTERS INTERNATIONAL TRAILER

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[Cidersomerset]

Hitlers Escape to Argentina - FULL VERSION

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Published on 19 Oct 2013
Uploaded for pacsteam.org
YouTube Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF3DV...

Subject of this upload:

21st Century Wire - Episode One - 'Fourth Reich in the Sun?' - Host Patrick Henningsen
and special guest Gerrard Williams, author of Grey Wolf, as they investigate the untold
story of World War II, where Adolf Hitler and many other top Nazis escaped to Argentina
after the Fall of Berlin.

This show aired in 2012 on SKY Channel 191 Paradigm Shift TV(PSTV) in the UK:
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Hitler's Escape

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Published on 18 Apr 2015

interview starts approx....38 mins

Exploring the possibility that Hitler escaped Nazi Germany at the end of World War II. FBI and
CIA records indicate that the U.S. government took seriously reports that Hitler had escaped to
Argentina. The traditional story is that Adolf Hitler committed suicide in his underground bunker,
along with his mistress Eva Braun in April, 1945. Later the Russian Army was said to discover
them and photograph Hitler, making sure the bullet hole in his forehead was visible.

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[Morbid]

in my irrelevant opinion the only reason americans landed is to keep soviets at berlin instead of paris. russian army after fighting off napolion didnt stay in france, though they easily could. they didnt plan to stay in germany ether if america wasnt showing their will to agressivly oppose. in the view of soviets germans got replaced by americans as they chose to stand off instead of walking away..

i highly recommended this book for those who likes to dig this subject:
http://www.amazon.com/Conjuring-Hitler-Britain-America-Third/dp/074532181X
interesting that its written by an argentinian dude.

[ghostrider]

according to the ET's Hitler shot himself in Berlin , April 30th 1945 , he was 56 years old ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_202 scroll to line 15 ...

[Carmody]

A couple of basic points, for those who aren't disposed to read deeply. Enough, possibly, to whet one's appetite for a deeper investigation.

- Hitler apparently had 8 doubles, Martin Bormann apparently had 3.
- The bunker where the apparent shooting took place, had a rear door. That the area that Hitler was apparently blocked off in, and committed suicide, had a separate rear door , an in/out access from the bunker proper.
- The staff were told to not enter the area for at least 10 minutes after they heard the shot.
- Martin Bormann's wife's brother in law, was Hitler's dentist. (perfect for changing dental records)
- people who plan wars and have decades long complex plans and counter plans, don't sulk and pout underground.... and shoot themselves.
- Components of the Reich command, began negotiating, approx 1.25 years before the end, to split the developed technology between the USA and the USSR, as payment for their 'escape'.
- Prescott Bush (of the Bush clan) ran the union banking corporation, which financed the Nazi's in the first place, and was a creation of the federal reserve group of banks (they wanted their investment back)
- The Reich Command never surrendered, only the army, navy, and air force of Germany (in 1945) surrendered.
- Project paperclip was about getting the vastly superior Nazi technology (google "Kammlerstab") into the USA, via secretly importing Nazi scientists (OSS, CIA, Skull and bones, Dulles brothers, Federal Reserve, black ops, etc)
- The eastern European Nazi Spy network, was left intact, and run by a Nazi general, in the name of the USA, at the end of the war. Yes, the Nazi's still had a huge European spy network they they were still running, after the end of the war.

And much more involved stuff, which takes you to the present time and the very huge and hidden world of black ops and hidden technologies, technologies that are thousands of years ahead of what you see today.

Basically, if you investigate, all of one's questions and objections, all the "yah, but..how did....?", and so on questions.... will be answered to anyone's satisfaction.

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

I can't help reflecting that Hitler ordered that his army regiments
in Russia fight the last man. No withdrawal, no surrender.

And he even had German children recruited into special units
to defend the capital... children with guns, against hardened
Russian soldiers.

Oh, but it's okay for him to run away.

I'm sure there are some (now) elderly German army
veterans that will be upset by this news.
Presumably, they bought into this whole ethos of militarism.

All this stuff about valour & honour and bravery & courage
and pinning medals on the uniform of 'brave' soldiers.
It's all pro-war propaganda.
It's just a way of getting otherwise normal people to
commit the most heinous acts of barbarism against others.

I would love to watch a documentary about what happened
to Hitler in the post bunker years. That would be very interesting.

I don't believe for a second that the Americans weren't keeping
an eye on him. I'm sure the Argentinians were too.
Someone, somewhere, knows what happened during that
post-bunker period.

I wonder if he moved to the German speaking areas of Brazil. ;-)

be happy :-)

lucidity

[Cidersomerset]

Puppet ? or Puppet master ? who knows ? The fact ex Nazi Officer
Prince Bernard of the Netherland became prominent in several
secretive think tanks and societies after the war , seems more
than coincidence.

It ties in with another current event thread .......................
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82916-David-Icke-Bilderberg-2015-The-Key-Agenda..-..-Why-is-the-BBC-reporting...



Bilderberg, Prince Bernhard, Order of Malta, the NWO

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Published on 20 Feb 2013

The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes
and of Malta (Italian: Sovrano Militare Ordine Ospedaliero di San Giovanni di
Gerusalemme di Rodi e di Malta), also known as the Sovereign Military Order
of Malta (SMOM), Order of Malta or Knights of Malta, is a Roman Catholic lay
religious order of, traditionally, a military, chivalrous and noble nature.[5] It
is the world's oldest surviving order of chivalry.[6] The Sovereign Military
Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereig...

1954 -- Bilderberg-conferentie
http://www.aandachtvoorgeschiedenis.n...



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Prince Philip File

Philip also assisted in starting the World Wildlife Fund with former Nazi SS
Officer Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who went on to found the elitist
Bilderberg Group. In the past, Philip has also attended the ultra secretive
ritualistic meeting of elites at the Bohemian Grove.

http://www.spickardssigns.com/princephilip.htm

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The Independent Saturday 13 June 2015

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Nazi sympathiser and former King the Duke of Windsor ‘wanted England to be
bombed’, international archives reveal

Tuesday 9th June 2015 at 09:04 By ickonic

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10306096.ece/alternates/w620/v2-DukeofWindsor.jpg

‘The Duke of Windsor, who is widely regarded as a Nazi sympathiser, once argued
that bombing England could bring peace by ending WWII, it has emerged.

Correspondence kept in the Royal Archives between the British royal family and
their German relatives in the run up to WWII remains confidential.

However, information pieced together from open archives across 30 countries,
including Germany, Spain and Russia, has revealed the close relationship some
members of the European aristocracy had with the Nazis.’

Read more: Nazi sympathiser and former King the Duke of Windsor 'wanted
England to be bombed', international archives reveal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazi-sympathiser-and-
former-king-the-duke-of-windsor-wanted-england-to-be-bombed-international-archives-reveal-10306121.html

[Cidersomerset]

Nothing new war is profitable especially for 'Banksters ' and corporates .


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Hitler’s American Business Partners enabled him to supply his army,navy & air force .

Saturday 30th May 2015 at 07:01 By davidicke

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‘This documentary uncovers the unholy alliance between Nazi Germany and some
of the biggest corporations in the US — companies which were indispensable for
Hitler to wage war. Henry Ford, the automobile manufacturer; James D Mooney,
the General Motors manager; and Thomas Watson, the IBM boss were all awarded
the Grand Cross of the German Eagle — the Nazi’s highest distinction for foreigners f
or their services to the Third Reich.’

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's an excellent 20 minute interview with author and researcher Jerome Corsi. Highly recommended on this subject.

http://projectavalon.net/Jerome_Corsi_HUNTING_HITLER_Trunews_29_Jan_2014.mp3

Corsi makes a compelling case that Hitler ended up in Argentina. (Personally, I feel sure this is what happened, and I've been following this story for years.)

I even have a peripheral connection with the subject. My father (whose pen name was Jacques Penry) was the inventor of the facial identification system Photofit, the successor to the earlier Identikit. It was used by police to help witnesses provide descriptions of suspects, and back in the 1970s he was a consultant to the British Home Office (the equivalent of the US State Department) on many matters connected with facial recognition.

This was decades before the age of any kind of computerization of the subject. Photofit was like a jigsaw puzzle of different facial components, backed onto hard cardboard, and the witness would move the pieces around and assemble them till they got a face they could recognize.

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One day I came home from school, and he had files and 8x10 glossy black-and-white photos spread out all over the kitchen table. I was curious.

"Who's that?" I asked him.

"That's Martin Bormann", he told me. "They picked up this old man in Brazil, and they're asking me if it's Bormann. And it is."

He then pointed out all the little identifying features that could not be changed by plastic surgery, such as the ears. It was fascinating.

He wrote up a report, with his strong professional opinion, backed up by all the facial evidence. But the Brazilian authorities could not prove anything definitively. Apparently, they let the old man go.

[Cidersomerset]

One day I came home from school, and he had files and 8x10 glossy black-and-white photos spread out all over the kitchen table. I was curious.

"Who's that?" I asked him.

"That's Martin Bormann", he told me. "They picked up this old man in Brazil, and they're asking me if it's Bormann. And it is."

I can remember you telling us that story , wonderful how small the world is on the web...LOL

It is on one of your videos or radio shows and I can picture the scene in my mind ,
but cannot remember which one , it was a few years ago now.

The Dullus Bros are certainly part of all this..........

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[Cidersomerset]

Tony Gosling is linking the Nazi , Bilderberg and the setting up of the
European Union , led by Germany financially and economically ironically
something Hitler , Goring and the gang would be proud of.....

Thanks Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and others......



E U Facts......

The Dark Roots of the “Brussels EU”

This article highlights the birth place of the "Brussels EU" on the drawing boards of
the Nazi/IG Farben-coalition for a post-war Europe under their control. It is an
excerpt of the speech by Dr. Rath on the occasion of receiving the "Relay of Life"
award from survivors of the Auschwitz concentration camp.

http://www.relay-of-life.org/images/speech_20071114/image19.jpg


http://www.eu-facts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html

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Bilderberg and the Nazis, Luke Rudkowski Ex BBC Tony Gosling 2013 Watford

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Published on 30 Jun 2013


The Nazi Roots of Bilderberg
Did two Bilderberg chairmen conspire in 1944 to sabotage Operation Market Garden
and extend the war by 6 months to enable the Nazis to 'bury their treasure'?
To really understand the Bilderberg meetings one has to dig up the roots in 1954.
But on doing so one discoers the REAL beginning was in September 1944, a decade
before that during the bloody endgame of World War Two.

One left hook, Monty argued, would knock the German army for six and 'end the war
by Christmas'. That first BB meeting at former Nazi Prince Bernhard's Bilderberg Hotel
in Oosterbeek, Holland is the exact same spot where, 10 years previously British 1st
Airborne Division had fought and died in horrific numbers, surrounded by best part of
an SS Panzer Division plus, flamethrowing tanks, Nebelwerfer rocket launchers and all
sorts of ad-hoc nasties. The Germans called this virtually defenceless pocket of British
airborne troops the 'Hexenkessel', or 'Witches Cauldron'.

Two people who were later to become Bilderberg Chairmen were involved in that battle
ostensibly on the allies side. The first was former SS officer and early Nazi party member
Prince Bernhard was in Whitehall and had his security clearance authorised by (brother
of abdicated pro-Nazi King Edward VIII) King George VI & spymaster Ian Fleming (the
yanks & British admiralty wouldn't give him security clearance as they thought he was a spy).

The other Bilderberg chairman who was involved was young Sherman tank Captain Lord
Carrington who was in the lead Grenadier Guards XXX Corps tanks from Nijmegen that
famously and inexplicably stopped in their tracks just after crossing the Nijmegen bridge
(a scene in Cornelius Ryan's film 'A Bridge Too Far') leaving the last remains of the 1st
Airborne Div to crumble & die in Arnhem - dim the lights and fix yourself a cocoa,
quite a tale... http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/pr...
https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www...
ALEX JONES recently upset everyone on the BBC's Politics Show by suggesting that Bilderberg
was established by an ex-Nazi! Outrageous? It takes an ex-BBC reporter to tell us what the BBC won't...
The Politics Show...
TONY GOSLING is an investigative journalist, broadcaster and former BBC reporter. A diligent
researcher and communicator committed to the public interest, Tony works to uncover the truth
behind current events that are so often distorted or censored completely in the mainstream
corporate media.His research provides valuable insight into topics such as the Bilderberg Group,
the EU, NATO, False Flag terrorism, the so-called 'War on Terror', Censorship and Current Affairs
in the media. Ironically, he had to leave the BBC so he could report the real news.Gosling first
discovered the Bilderberg Group during the 1990s and as his research confirmed its existence,
became incredulous at the extent of the news blackout in mainstream media. Who are these people?
What are they up to? Should we be concerned?

Bilderberg Founder was Nazi Party Member
PRINCE BERNHARD, the father of Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, was a member of the Nazi party,
a new book has claimed, contracting the German-born Dutch war hero's life-long denials.

"Bernhard, a secret history" has revealed that the prince was a member of the German Nazi party
until 1934, three years before he married Princess Juliana, the future queen of the Netherlands.
Annejet van der Zijl, a Dutch historian, has found membership documents in Berlin's Humboldt
University that prove Prince Bernhard, who studied there, had joined Deutsche Studentenschaft,
a National Socialist student fraternity, as well as the Nazi NSDAP and its paramilitary wing, the
Sturmabteilung.He left all the groups on leaving university in December 1934, when he went to
work for the German chemical giant, IG Farben. | More

More: bilderberg.org | Tony Gosling twitter | Also: The Rise of the Fourth Reich
http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/201...
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[Cidersomerset]

Is this your father Bill ?....This seems familiar did you post it ? or am
I imagining it ...LOL....If I've got it wrong Bill you better blank it out...LOL
If its right I hope it you enjoy it .............

Jacques Penry (1939)
British Pathé

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Published on 13 Apr 2014
No title - JACQUES PENRY.

Jacques Penry demonstrates how a person's facial profile can indicate their
personality. Possibly filmed at Pathe studios, London.

Various shots of the psychologist Jacques Penry sitting at his desk talking
about the different characteristics that can be seen in the structure of
peoples' faces. He illustrates this by use of a blackboard comparing two
girls' profiles. Then he is joined by the two girls in question. M/S of Penry
talking to the girls and asking questions to illustrate their opposite natures,
one being more practical and aggressive than the other.
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Physogs, a British game from the 1940s, is a popularized version of physiognomy,
the art of judging human character from facial features. Based on sociologist
Jacques Penry's How to Judge Character from the Face (1939), the game consists
of fifty-six printed cards and a key book describing thirteen distinct "facial-
character types": acquisitive-shrewd, dissipated, bad-tempered, determined, suave-
obsequious, artistic-imaginative, credulous-impractical, magnetic, excitable-
impetuous, self-conscious, crafty-self-centered, pleasant-cheerful, and narrow-
minded-stubborn. The face assembled here is "acquisitive-shrewd," described in the
book as a person who is "shrewd in money matters" with an "aptitude and desire to
collect, possess and own."

Although the art of "reading faces" dates to ancient times, the scientific principles
of physiognomy were largely discredited by the early twentieth century.
Physiognomy was taken up again in the 1930s by Nazi "race scientists" whose
analyses of human character were generally based on crude ethnic stereotypes.
Marketed less than a decade later, Physogs reflects both the intuitive appeal and
the inherent danger of judging character according to physical appearance.

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[Bill Ryan]

Is this your father Bill ?


It is! :)

[Carmody]

Reflexology, reiki, and so on, all work for the same reasons, so i've no doubt that it would function in at least the most general terms, but beyond that... It is the uneducated in such matters who might object. A bit too close to phrenology for their particular level of education on the matter. When we get to the consciousness is the nature of matter, then it becomes a bit more clear. Then all the other components come on line, like 36 decans of astrology and the 36 different facial types in humans... the meaning of which is unclear, so the rest might be just as difficult to clear up. Just like Quantum issues. Statistically functional - specifically, not.

[lucidity]

Puppet ? or Puppet master ? who knows ? The fact ex Nazi Officer
Prince Bernard of the Netherland became prominent in several
secretive think tanks and societies after the war , seems more
than coincidence.

It ties in with another current event thread .......................
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82916-David-Icke-Bilderberg-2015-The-Key-Agenda..-..-Why-is-the-BBC-reporting...



Bilderberg, Prince Bernhard, Order of Malta, the NWO

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Published on 20 Feb 2013

The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes
and of Malta (Italian: Sovrano Militare Ordine Ospedaliero di San Giovanni di
Gerusalemme di Rodi e di Malta), also known as the Sovereign Military Order
of Malta (SMOM), Order of Malta or Knights of Malta, is a Roman Catholic lay
religious order of, traditionally, a military, chivalrous and noble nature.[5] It
is the world's oldest surviving order of chivalry.[6] The Sovereign Military
Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereig...

1954 -- Bilderberg-conferentie
http://www.aandachtvoorgeschiedenis.n...



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Prince Philip File

Philip also assisted in starting the World Wildlife Fund with former Nazi SS
Officer Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who went on to found the elitist
Bilderberg Group. In the past, Philip has also attended the ultra secretive
ritualistic meeting of elites at the Bohemian Grove.

http://www.spickardssigns.com/princephilip.htm

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The Independent Saturday 13 June 2015

http://www.independent.co.uk/independent.co.uk/assets/images/redesign/masthead/indy-masthead-small.png

Nazi sympathiser and former King the Duke of Windsor ‘wanted England to be
bombed’, international archives reveal

Tuesday 9th June 2015 at 09:04 By ickonic

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10306096.ece/alternates/w620/v2-DukeofWindsor.jpg

‘The Duke of Windsor, who is widely regarded as a Nazi sympathiser, once argued
that bombing England could bring peace by ending WWII, it has emerged.

Correspondence kept in the Royal Archives between the British royal family and
their German relatives in the run up to WWII remains confidential.

However, information pieced together from open archives across 30 countries,
including Germany, Spain and Russia, has revealed the close relationship some
members of the European aristocracy had with the Nazis.’

Read more: Nazi sympathiser and former King the Duke of Windsor 'wanted
England to be bombed', international archives reveal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazi-sympathiser-and-
former-king-the-duke-of-windsor-wanted-england-to-be-bombed-international-archives-reveal-10306121.html

A+ Cidersomerset.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

GOOD INFO AND WORTHY OF ... :bump2:

[lucidity]

according to the ET's Hitler shot himself in Berlin , April 30th 1945 , he was 56 years old ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_202 scroll to line 15 ...

That's a hugely important discrepancy between what's 'reported' as being said by the Aliens
by Billy Meier and what we now believe to be the truth.

Billy has declared himself the 'new' prophet.
Billy released the 'The Talmud of Jmmanuel'

Maybe Billy has made it all up.
Maybe Billy has made up some portion of it.
Maybe his alien friends are ... less than accurate ... or less than honest.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[ghostrider]

according to the ET's Hitler shot himself in Berlin , April 30th 1945 , he was 56 years old ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_202 scroll to line 15 ...

That's a hugely important discrepancy between what's 'reported' as being said by the Aliens
by Billy Meier and what we now believe to be the truth.

Billy has declared himself the 'new' prophet.
Billy released the 'The Talmud of Jmmanuel'

Maybe Billy has made it all up.
Maybe Billy has made up some portion of it.
Maybe his alien friends are ... less than accurate ... or less than honest.

be happy :-)

lucidity
His spirit form has always done the same job each time it incarnates ... it has been in the past in the persons of Enoch , Isaiah , Elijah , Jeremiah , Immanuel , Muhammad ... the Plejaren mentor that spirit form where ever it incarnates for their ancestors were the sons of heaven , the gods of our past , who built huge stones cities on every continent ...

[kanishk]

Is this your father Bill ?



It is! :)

And I am laughing, you told some times on forum that your father used to say that you look like somebody who was some celebrity of some kind and that idea annoyed you when you were kid.

[Carmody]

the mainstream pres appears to be at the beginning stages of speaking on this subject.

[Cidersomerset]

History is written by the victor, one of many quotes about how propaganda is used
to belittle any particular enemy or rival.The Persians looked down on the Greek city
states , until Alexander. The Greeks then Romans referred to most tribes and states
as Barbarians , this has gone on thru out recorded history, right up to today with
Iranians ( Persians) , some Arabic states and Putin back in the western press firing
line as 'bogey men' . As every empire , military ind complex has needed an enemy
to justify their policies and expenditure on arms. In the past war was for land ,
slaves or power and sometimes for prestige and bravado by the elite warrior class's.

There has been all sorts of reasons justified for going to war,and the latest mess in
Ukraine , Syria , Iraq , Libya and other flash points are only the latest in a very
long continuing line .I doubt if there has been a time that man was not killing man
in a military conflict somewhere in the world.

Anyway I started this post as I have been watching the BBC documentary on
Napoleon , as part of the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo , and the
historian makes it clear from the start how Napoleon has been vilified and
compared to other megalomaniac war leaders.When in fact he was a commoner
and quite enlightenedfor the time, and established many civic structures still
in use in France today. He did eventually succumb to his own illusions of power by
crowning himself Emperor of France and King of Italy, and fought many campaigns
and battles , mostly started by foreign coalitions sponsored by the British ,
(Rothchilds etc.) who also financed all sides.

An old article

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.83.10/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

The family that bankrolled Europe

Friday, July 9, 1999 Published at 10:39 GMT 11:39 UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/385000/images/_389053_naths_rothschild300.jpg
Nathan Rothschild with his family, painted by WA Hobday (1821)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/389053.stm

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I have no truck with Kings , Queens ,Emperors or glorified Presidents and
politicians, but the point is propaganda is everywhere from your favourite football
team to national pride and in the documentary it amused me to hear the
historian sounds like a 'conspiracy theorist ' when he is trying to give Napoleon a
even independent press , and say he was no different to many others in power at
the time , better than some worse than others.

I'm not comparing Napoleon and Hitler , just pointing out as we have been
discussing here and elsewhere, that who owns the press and writes the history
books can slant history.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05zq7xf/napoleon-episode-2

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Published on 10 Jun 2015

Historian Andrew Roberts journeys through the history and geography of
Europe to bring the story of Napoleon vividly to life as he retraces the
footsteps of the legendary leader himself