The Reincarnation Trap

[loveoflife]

Here are two articles i found recently both from the same website that have differing views on this subject that seems to be gaining popularity recently with may alternative researchers agreeing with this manipulation of souls.

The first "How To Exit The Reincarnation System" http://in5d.com/how-to-exit-the-reincarnation-system/, describes a system where we are tricked and recycled life after life as slaves on a prison planet and offers a solution.

The second has a different point of view. Is Reincarnation A Trap? http://in5d.com/is-reincarnation-a-trap/ I find this article very interesting as offers of view of reincarnation that differs from the generally accepted ideas and the view that i have held. It then goes on to describe reincarnation beliefs from the perspective of different cultures, and then suggests that going to the light may not be the trap that has been suggested.

I do think its important to look at at least two sides of a concept before making a decision. What happens after death is a mystery to me though a fascinating subject. It does seem that the only sources of information we have on this are from religions and those who have NDE's.

So i wondering if any members of this forum have any further information to contribute.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[loveoflife]

I have proposed that we live in our own universe and continue to live the same life over and over again with the only difference being that in the next life cycle we may have a better environment depending how bright our "neu" or "inner spirit" is and a worse environment if it is very dark.

The only way to exit this cycle is to become a "neu spirit" which means your "inner spirit" has attained enough energy to escape the cycle of life and death and be able to exist as a conscious entity without needing a body and be anywhere and everywhere.

This is what was experienced by Jesus, Buddha and other prophets and saints and now they are all "neu spirits".

So we are reincarnated every time in a copy of the earlier life and it is an aberration when a "neu" enters another body for reasons I have not yet explored or dawned on me.

Therefore it is important to awaken our "neu" and energize it in each life through meditation and living a "neutral" life and eventually escape the infinite life cycle.

Thanks for your reply, what you say does seem to go along with the traditional view about reincarnation as taught by religions and mystery schools.

I was more interested in discussing the subject along the lines of the archons interfering with the natural cycle of reincarnation and trapping us here with a false past life review and a memory wipe.

It has also been been said that the corrupt demiurge created all the worlds religions as a means of perpetuating this system of slavery through many incarnations. http://montalk.net/gnosis/171/corruption-of-the-demiurge

[greybeard]

What you truly are can not be captured, interfered with, changed in any way and is eternal.
Chris

[greybeard]

With respect there have been similar threads and some will believe this so and some will not.
However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
That does not really happen but in the illusion of duality it will certainly seem to do so.

Chris

[Troy Martin]

I understand that we have three bodies (soul, spirit, and physical). In conception the physical and spirit body are created and the soul that god created attaches to the spirit body. In death, the physical body's connection to the spirit body is released so that a spirit body/soul body complex remains and lives in the spirit world (same place as the dream world). People who die who believe in reincarnation think they have to return to a physical body force themselves into a new one thinking they reincarnated when they only possessed the body. Many millions of children have been born deformed and with illnesses transferred to them via the karma (distortions) of the possessing spirit) due to this harmful belief in reincarnation. All forms of "proof" of reincarnation is only evidence of spirit communication, sharing of memories/stories from spirits, possession and influence and attachments.

Reincarnation is a belief about how to spiritually progress, however, how to do it is to remove karma from the soul which can be done as a spirit. Being that the belief in reincarnation says you have to return in a physical body to progress that belief is not provable but instead is provable as a non-truth because you can progress as a spirit. So there's no need to reincarnate. It's impossible anyway because a spirit with a spirit body cannot attach itself to another body with a spirit body (making two bodies). What it ends up doing is a spirit who over-cloaks a new soul is violating that new soul by taking away its free will and superimposing its will upon that body and disallowing that new soul to develop on its own.

As far as I'm concerned teachers of the past invented this theory because they didn't know how to become enlightened and so they assumed it would take them more than one lifetime and misunderstood what spirit possession is all about. I, for one, am not going to lend my body to a spirit who believes in a delusional idea like reincarnation so I can veg and ultimately drink the intellectual kool-aid/beliefs that cause people to stray from a real spiritual enlightenment path that one can accomplish in one lifetime as a new spirit.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Rich]

This is the only thing that you need do for vision, happiness, release
from pain, and the complete escape from sin, all to be given you. Say only
this, but mean it with no reservations, for here the power of salvation
lies:

I am responsible for what I see. I chose the feelings I
experience, and I decided on the goal I would achieve. And everything that
seems to happen to me I asked for and received as I had asked.

Deceive yourself no longer that you are helpless in the face of what is done to
you. Acknowledge but that you have been mistaken, and all effects of your
mistakes will disappear. ~ACIM

[darthtoaster]

Just adding my input. The system is automated, going into the light is wonderful, the rest period is wonderful, not going into the light is not wonderful and leaves one experiencing various things repeatedly that aren't pleasant, the living can assist some of the restless into the light very much like the Ghost Whisperer series (I have on occasions, over 150), we are forced back into another life but we go willingly and happily when the time comes, there is a small amount of choice involved in that, archon's are an ancient race of reptilians who somehow draw on dark energy and are "sustained" by it, these reptilians set up the current order of humanity to cyclically stir dark energy by which they feed, and .... (breathe lol) ... the neu spirit mentioned above is very accurate and attainable for each of us. Run on sentence :)

I can expand on any of these points if desired, if not, my input is be mindful of Chris's words - fear not basically. No need to create more than is there. We are powerful :)

Much love. I love this post string :)

[darthtoaster]

Love the empowering words EmX! The exercise is difficult for someone who has been in an extreme absuse situation but if they are strong enough to pull it off and let go, wow ... talk about empowered. Thanks for the insights :) Much appreciated

[Rich]

it has nothing to do with power, Bashar has said whatever is in your universe is you, we each have our own universe and reality

[Savannah]

http://www.projectavalon.net/Truman_Cash_The_Eye_of_Ra.pdf

The eye of Ra by Cash, an Avalon member talks about his abduction experiences and his discovery of the reincarnation cycle.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/
[David Cameron’s web site he talks about reincarnation and the ET

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=savannah+henniner
I channeled/was mind controlled to write a book and part of what the ET’s told me was we will no longer reincarnate.

[Finefeather]

The in5D website is famous for its fiction.

The only trap that exists is our own ignorance of the truth... and the stories we choose to accept... written by people, like the in5D website, who have nothing better to do than dish our their fiction created in their ignorant minds.

Reincarnation is a fact of life and each of us will continue to return until we have reached a consciousness level which will allow us to proceed to the next higher world... of non humans.
We have all had thousands of incarnations... and most have thousands to go... and anyone who fancies them self as some highly evolved being who does not need to return will have a very disappointing revelation when they leave their current body.

We are each at different levels of consciousness growth and it is often almost impossible to tell who his ahead of who unless you have achieved Causal consciousness... and if you don't know what that means then chances are you have a long way to go still.

Of course there are many non humans who have incarnated into human organisms... but they are here to assist humans to reach the world where they come from... and you may never even know that the person standing next to you at the bus stop is actually non human... scary hey :)

The truth is... and this comes from my experience, so you should certainly not believe it, but rather find out for yourself... that any fear that we might have that comes from all the stories of doom and prison planet etc we read about... is nothing more than non-sense... how would it be possible to trap or capture a monad/Self... which is what we all are... when the people who say someone does, does not even know what that is... and what it is capable of?

Take care now and lets all get on with our consciousness growth by being nice to everyone and avoiding conflict.

Love is the way and unity is it's path.

Ray

[Gatita]

I have glimpsed four past lives of mine. I did not see a light with my NDE. I saw two of my uncles telling me I could go with them if I wanted. I don't know if my pagan beliefs influenced what I saw.

Cat

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Finefeather]

it has nothing to do with power, Bashar has said whatever is in your universe is you, we each have our own universe and reality
IMO I would take whatever Bashar says with a bucket of salt :)

If that is in deed what he said then what he actually means is that we each create our own reality... but this only happens to us whilst we are still ignorant of reality... because the truth is that there is only one reality... and it is this reality which we strive to reach to end our incarnations here in this planet.

Ray

[Finefeather]

Beliefs are Beliefs without hard evidence. So far I have not seen any convincing evidence of reincarntion.

But I and many others have experienced DeJa-Vu and that for me is evidence enough that there are copies of every second of our consciousness in another parallel universe and sometimes we are able to peep into one from another.
You will never find hard evidence with the level of consciousness you have... as you grow in consciousness level the 'evidence' will just jumps out at you during one life... then you will know it and not believe it.

There is also no such thing as a parallel universe... have you also been reading Bashar?

[Rich]

He actually meant literally, also he says there is an infinite number of parallel universes and we switch billions of times per second from one to another, this is how movement is created.
Also if we each not have our own reality where do the people and things go when we go to sleep? or when we don't think of them?

And to top it all of A Course in Miracles says that this world does not exist at all.... so we are back where we started.

I find your POV interesting but sometimes you seem to be so sure that only your view is right and the others are wrong.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Rich]

What God did not create does not exist. And everything that does exist exists as He created it. The world you see has nothing to do with reality. It is of your own making, and it does not exist. ~ACIM

[Hervé]

Interesting cosmic psy-ops (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81885-Psy-Ops-The-Orchestration-Of.) all around...


[...]
However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
[...]

Let's reverse the above... and one gets that a world where there's no one to get one but oneself is as equally as illusory as its opposite... however, it leads to an even tighter trap: a psy-op world created by a psychopath to straight-jacket its victims.

[Finefeather]

I find your POV interesting but sometimes you seem to be so sure that only your view is right and the others are wrong.
So are you not also saying then, that there can be no one out there that actually knows the real truth?

And why would you believe someone like Bashar and not me... for instance... although I have never claimed anything.

Do we have to write books and make videos before we qualify to know truth?

What assures humans that what is been said is truth?
How do humans know when something is truth... when humans are still like babies... in consciousness... yet many claim to know so much... but would not know truth if it were placed before their eyes.

Take care
Ray

PS: And read the signature at the bottom of my posts...that might help :)

[greybeard]

Interesting cosmic psy-ops all around...


[...]
However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
[...]

Let's reverse the above... and one gets that a world where there's no one to get one but oneself is as equally as illusory as its opposite... however, it leads to an even tighter trap: a psy-op world created by a psychopath to straight-jacket its victims.

I suppose it depends what you have read and choose to believe Herve
Eckhart Tolle said "There never was anyone there to do anything to you"
That is known to him directly--don't ask me how.

However we have to act in accordance with the relative truth level that we find ourself at.
At my level if the house catches on fire I call the fire brigade.

At the level of enlightenment that's a different story, though the fire brigade will get called.
Ramana Maharshi said that Creation and Dissolution never happened.

In non duality its timeless and there is only "One without a second"

Fair enough this not my experience but I have read it and heard it over and over again.

All is the thought of God and I am that---all is illusion---exactly the same as what appears in a dream--very very very real.

I can say that since I started reading the words of enlightened sages and doing what was suggested to the best of my ability my life has changed beyond recognition.
Im easy with whatever happens in life--I can smile in the face of adversity, I know that I am not the body, I have no fear of death or what comes after.
I enjoy life fully.
From my perspective it is time well spent.

Best wishes
Chris

[Rich]

I simply know from experience Ray, it's not about belief...
This world is a reflection of one's consciousness...
when one person has a different consciousness they necessarily have to exist in a different world. They obviously cannot exist in the same universe anymore.

[Finefeather]

But unlike others I do not accept anything unless I have hard evidence. Evidence not in form of spiritual evidence but in real life evidence.

To say you will find evidence only when one reaches certain level of consciousness is once again accepting something that has no real evidence.

Unless I see evidence of different level of consciousness I would not accept there is anything called "levels of consciousness"

All of my spiritual beliefs are based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence.

The very method you have chosen... which is... "based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence" has come from prior ignorance of the very stuff science rejected before it became common knowledge.

It is a well know fact proven by science ( and remember science in itself is a divided world) that main stream science is ignorant of spiritual life.

So you are right, and I agree, that under normal circumstances, we should only accept what is observable to us... but then if this is so, for you, how come you have said: "Whatever I know is from my intuitive rational mind and "inner spirit"." when a statement like this is not yet "based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence"?

Take care brother
Ray

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Finefeather]

I simply know from experience Ray, it's not about belief...
This world is a reflection of one's consciousness...
when one person has a different consciousness they necessarily have to exist in a different world. They obviously cannot exist in the same universe anymore.
Yes you are correct... different consciousness... different world.

But they are not parallel in the sense that they are different in time and space... they are in the same time and space as everyone else's 'parallel' world.
We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about... because of our individual ignorance... and I only use the word ignorance because it means we don't know something yet... but we are not stupid and incarnations allow us to learn and know what this real reality is about.

What I am saying is that as we grow in consciousness these so called 'parallel' universes (worlds) become the same world because there is only one real reality.

This is the entire secret to unity and love... we come together with our own individual experiences... as one... for the purpose of been of service to those not yet in the real reality.

Life is about service to others... in our beautiful difference... not making carbon copies out of people... but bringing one another together in peace and harmony.

Take care now
Ray

[Rich]

We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about...
But how would this work for example; if my idea is that this person lives in this house and this persons idea to live in another house in their reality?
How could the same earth accommodate different realities?

[Agape]

Reincarnation is poorly understood concept altogether ..but then , the answer targets your very understanding of your existence ,
that can be both conceptual and non=conceptual or , either .

What's important to you is that you as a self-awareness exist and upon deeper inquiry you will find that you've always existed , and will continue existing in future ..

from purely material perspective it's of course , idea impossible to prove but likewise , any of those ideas exist to each other in relativistic universe of changing definitions ,
if you contemplate your *self* as illusory it appears like perfect illusion ,

if you contemplate it is eternal and beyond change

you may encounter eternity ..


is not any individual Self but a reflection of countless other selves , yet ... manifesting sovereign and unique pattern of greater Existence ?


:coffee:

[Jhonie]

I have thought that reincarnation was a waste of diapers.

[Rich]

What's important to you is that you as a self-awareness exist and upon deeper inquiry you will find that you've always existed , and will continue existing in future ..

Well all we have are thought's to say that reincarnation exists or does not exist.
It is strange that we can take on a thought and claim it reality... but without this procedure what reality would be left over?
So in the end nothing can be proven and this goes for everything including what I just said.

[Finefeather]

We all live in the same earth side by side with different ideas of what life is all about...
But how would this work for example; if my idea is that this person lives in this house and this persons idea to live in another house in their reality?
How could the same earth accommodate different realities?

How would you know if the other person was living in another house in his reality?
Why don't you go ask someone if they are living in a different house in their reality?
How do you even know that that person living in your reality lives in another reality?

You see there is just no logic to it... only some belief or illusion of another reality in space and time.

The different realities are in the mind which has created them as an illusion and we think they're real... but they are not.

Trust your 5 physical senses only if the person next to you agrees with you or if you know from actual experience what it is you're sensing.
Eventually after many incarnations we eventually realise just who we are and how to control our minds ourselves, without others influencing it, and confusing us with the wrong idea of the real reality.

Ray

[Rich]

I don't know what you are saying Ray.
The thing is I have seen physical reality change as I change my mind.
So that is one of the reasons (among other experiences) I said that there are parallel realities
but if you can explain your theory so that it makes sense to me I might change my mind.

[Finefeather]

I don't know what you are saying Ray.
The thing is I have seen physical reality change as I change my mind.
So that is one of the reasons (among other experiences) I said that there are parallel realities
but if you can explain your theory so that it makes sense to me I might change my mind.

Are you on any kind of substance?
The physical world is what it is because of collective thought as well as design by advanced Beings... you cannot change it.

We can, however, change anything in our minds... our perceptions can alter as our minds wonder in the illusion... or due to drugs or other self inflicted or forced inflicted ways.

I certainly would not want you to change your mind because I convinced you... that would just be another belief in your mind.

We all must come to our own realisation of the real reality in time... It is sometimes a spontaneous event, but usually it happens in one of our lives after man lives of consciousness growth.

All higher Selves... advanced Beings... see the same reality... All humans will also... in time.

Ray

[loveoflife]

What you truly are can not be captured, interfered with, changed in any way and is eternal.
Chris

I agree. Though there are many in ignorance regarding the true self and it appears that there are those who perpetuate and manipulate this ignorance.

[loveoflife]

With respect there have been similar threads and some will believe this so and some will not.
However the mind creates illusion to order and if you truly believe that something is out to get you then it may well do so.
That does not really happen but in the illusion of duality it will certainly seem to do so.

Chris

Again this appears to be the agenda of those who would manipulate belief in order to control.

[loveoflife]

When you mention "archons interfering with the natural cycle of reincarnation", I believe there are certain negative spiritual entities that are quite powerful but not as powerful as the "neu spirits" but can influence most of us through their "magic" and "lure" and ensure our "neu" never wakes up and we continue to remain in the end less cycle of life and death which they can then easily manipulate.

I have been in this trap for most part of my life until I went into "silent meditation" and found out the truth.

So it is all upto us to first awaken our "inner spirit" or "neu" and then energize it through meditation and escape this cycle of life and death.



I have proposed that we live in our own universe and continue to live the same life over and over again with the only difference being that in the next life cycle we may have a better environment depending how bright our "neu" or "inner spirit" is and a worse environment if it is very dark.

The only way to exit this cycle is to become a "neu spirit" which means your "inner spirit" has attained enough energy to escape the cycle of life and death and be able to exist as a conscious entity without needing a body and be anywhere and everywhere.

This is what was experienced by Jesus, Buddha and other prophets and saints and now they are all "neu spirits".

So we are reincarnated every time in a copy of the earlier life and it is an aberration when a "neu" enters another body for reasons I have not yet explored or dawned on me.

Therefore it is important to awaken our "neu" and energize it in each life through meditation and living a "neutral" life and eventually escape the infinite life cycle.

Thanks for your reply, what you say does seem to go along with the traditional view about reincarnation as taught by religions and mystery schools.

I was more interested in discussing the subject along the lines of the archons interfering with the natural cycle of reincarnation and trapping us here with a false past life review and a memory wipe.

It has also been been said that the corrupt demiurge created all the worlds religions as a means of perpetuating this system of slavery through many incarnations. http://montalk.net/gnosis/171/corruption-of-the-demiurge

Although i am not familiar with your terminology, i agree.

If there is a reincarnation trap then empowering knowledge of it and of our self would be the solution. It does not help for those who believe they are an insignificant speck in an accidental meaningless universe.

We have been tricked into believing a false perception of who we truly are.[COLOR="red"]

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This is the only thing that you need do for vision, happiness, release
from pain, and the complete escape from sin, all to be given you. Say only
this, but mean it with no reservations, for here the power of salvation
lies:

I am responsible for what I see. I chose the feelings I
experience, and I decided on the goal I would achieve. And everything that
seems to happen to me I asked for and received as I had asked.

Deceive yourself no longer that you are helpless in the face of what is done to
you. Acknowledge but that you have been mistaken, and all effects of your
mistakes will disappear. ~ACIM

I choose to be my own salvation. The most disempowering thing that i have heard is "I made you". If i am eternal then i was not created i have always been.

[Agape]

It would not surprise me greatly if Darwin was familiar with or even directly inspired to his theory of evolution by concept of karma

as it is where you find the whole key scenario of reincarnation - evolution , the 4 Yugas , evolution epochs ,
10 Avatars of Vishnu starting from Fish , Turtle , Boar , Dwarf , Lionman , Warrior , Prince and a Sage .

Now this type of reincarnation happens over long periods of time ..

you become what you imagine to be


:sun:

[loveoflife]

Just adding my input. The system is automated, going into the light is wonderful, the rest period is wonderful, not going into the light is not wonderful and leaves one experiencing various things repeatedly that aren't pleasant, the living can assist some of the restless into the light very much like the Ghost Whisperer series (I have on occasions, over 150), we are forced back into another life but we go willingly and happily when the time comes, there is a small amount of choice involved in that, archon's are an ancient race of reptilians who somehow draw on dark energy and are "sustained" by it, these reptilians set up the current order of humanity to cyclically stir dark energy by which they feed, and .... (breathe lol) ... the neu spirit mentioned above is very accurate and attainable for each of us. Run on sentence :)

I can expand on any of these points if desired, if not, my input is be mindful of Chris's words - fear not basically. No need to create more than is there. We are powerful :)

Much love. I love this post string :)

All i know of the afterlife is what i have been told, and i must admit that i mistrust NDE's that promote 'going to the light', considering the amount of psychic manipulation around and the intentional obfuscation of the psychic and the spiritual.

[Rich]

Are you on any kind of substance?

I meant manifestation...circumstances and people in life changing as I change my mind.
For example when I changed the people in my life changed too, how is that possible if there are not many realities?

[loveoflife]

The in5D website is famous for its fiction.

The only trap that exists is our own ignorance of the truth... and the stories we choose to accept... written by people, like the in5D website, who have nothing better to do than dish our their fiction created in their ignorant minds.

Reincarnation is a fact of life and each of us will continue to return until we have reached a consciousness level which will allow us to proceed to the next higher world... of non humans.
We have all had thousands of incarnations... and most have thousands to go... and anyone who fancies them self as some highly evolved being who does not need to return will have a very disappointing revelation when they leave their current body.

We are each at different levels of consciousness growth and it is often almost impossible to tell who his ahead of who unless you have achieved Causal consciousness... and if you don't know what that means then chances are you have a long way to go still.

Of course there are many non humans who have incarnated into human organisms... but they are here to assist humans to reach the world where they come from... and you may never even know that the person standing next to you at the bus stop is actually non human... scary hey :)

The truth is... and this comes from my experience, so you should certainly not believe it, but rather find out for yourself... that any fear that we might have that comes from all the stories of doom and prison planet etc we read about... is nothing more than non-sense... how would it be possible to trap or capture a monad/Self... which is what we all are... when the people who say someone does, does not even know what that is... and what it is capable of?

Take care now and lets all get on with our consciousness growth by being nice to everyone and avoiding conflict.

Love is the way and unity is it's path.

Ray

Speak for yourself. In light of our history, the mere fact of discussing this topic is a symptom of an evolved being.

I am familiar with Hindu and Buddhist teachings and what you say regarding reincarnation reeks of their indoctrination.

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I have glimpsed four past lives of mine. I did not see a light with my NDE. I saw two of my uncles telling me I could go with them if I wanted. I don't know if my pagan beliefs influenced what I saw.

Cat

That has also been described. Archons posing as loved ones temping us onward into a trap.

I would assume that what is believed regarding reality and also ignorance would influence NDE's and would be manifested by the mind into the astral ethers.

[Akasha]

To no-one in particular: avoid belief (as much as is possible) instead feeling through the heart. When you feel, you are in a state of awareness. When you believe, you are projecting - infinitely shakier ground.

[loveoflife]

Beliefs are Beliefs without hard evidence. So far I have not seen any convincing evidence of reincarntion.

But I and many others have experienced DeJa-Vu and that for me is evidence enough that there are copies of every second of our consciousness in another parallel universe and sometimes we are able to peep into one from another.

There has been much investigation into reincarnation and enough evidence of those who remember past lives (especially children) to hold up in a court of law.

I am open to the possibility that reincarnation is a choice, and that belief systems have been set up to convince us that its not.

[loveoflife]

I have never read any books or watch any videos. Whatever I know is from my intuitive rational mind and "inner spirit".

But unlike others I do not accept anything unless I have hard evidence. Evidence not in form of spiritual evidence but in real life evidence.

To say you will find evidence only when one reaches certain level of consciousness is once again accepting something that has no real evidence.

Unless I see evidence of different level of consciousness I would not accept there is anything called "levels of consciousness"

All of my spiritual beliefs are based on scientific inquisition and real life evidence.

I do not know who Bashar is and mainstream science has already taken the notch up in working on existence of parallel universes which are copies of the one we live in.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/12/do-we-live-in-a-mirror-universe/

A real life account of parallel dimensions.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/08/stepping-into-a-parallel-dimension/

Check out movies are also being made from this subject now. The movie starring Tom Cruise titled "Edge of Tomorrow" is a perfect example of my thesis of parallel universes existing at the same time. Two other movies that I have watched are "Lucy" and "Parallels 2015"

So these articles and movies are being written about or made now. I have been writing about this since 1989.

Love and Peace







Beliefs are Beliefs without hard evidence. So far I have not seen any convincing evidence of reincarntion.

But I and many others have experienced DeJa-Vu and that for me is evidence enough that there are copies of every second of our consciousness in another parallel universe and sometimes we are able to peep into one from another.
You will never find hard evidence with the level of consciousness you have... as you grow in consciousness level the 'evidence' will just jumps out at you during one life... then you will know it and not believe it.

There is also no such thing as a parallel universe... have you also been reading Bashar?

There is much taken for granted with science and many theories are taken as hard fact, when they are just that theories. There are many parallels between science and religion when it comes to belief.

As for levels of consciousness, i would take that as a given by simply observing people and their behaviours and beliefs, i do not need a scientific theory for that.

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What God did not create does not exist. And everything that does exist exists as He created it. The world you see has nothing to do with reality. It is of your own making, and it does not exist. ~ACIM

Very solipsistic and new age.

[Akasha]

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There has been much investigation into reincarnation and enough evidence of those who remember past lives (especially children) to hold up in a court of law.

I am open to the possibility that reincarnation is a choice, and that belief systems have been set up to convince us that its not.

Isn't it possible that those rememberers you mention were, for whatever reason, simply accessing the akashic record. The notion that the previous lives were their lives rather than life's lives is not necessarily a given. Don't you think children would be more likely to inadvertently hack source given that they are closer to it in time than older folk?

[loveoflife]

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There has been much investigation into reincarnation and enough evidence of those who remember past lives (especially children) to hold up in a court of law.

I am open to the possibility that reincarnation is a choice, and that belief systems have been set up to convince us that its not.

Isn't it possible that those rememberers you mention were, for whatever reason, simply accessing the akashic record. The notion that the previous lives were their lives rather than life's lives is not necessarily a given. Don't you think children would be more likely to inadvertently hack source given that they are closer to it in time than older folk?

Maybe, or they are accessing a past life, both are possibilities.

There is much speculation on this thread from the scientific and the spiritual, and for for many the whole concept is speculative. There are those who claim to have access to other levels of reality and our range of perception is limited to the 5 senses and visible light a tiny fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum. So if they speak of realities outside of our perception we can choose to accept what they say as a belief or not, for myself the best i can achieve is the acceptance of infinite possibilities and a knowing that resides in my heart.

The truth is what is and in this duality everything changes and is in flux, i would also consider it unwise to not be open to information that expands my consciousness and understanding.

I am not afraid of being wrong, i have been so about many things. I would not be surprised that everything in this reality could be wrong especially when compared to other states of reality. I would assume that the laws that apply to other dimensions are very different from this one, as energy in different densities behaves differently. There is the possibility that i am wrong there also.

Common sense tells me the proof is in the eating.

[ghostrider]

according to the ET's , re-incarnation is a law given under Creation and by the Nokodemjon who merged back with the Creation over 12 billion years ago , he became a pure spirit form ... his people fell away from the laws and recommendations of Creation , and he ordained himself a new set of incarnations , created a clone army and in eight short years brought humans back to reason ... He returned in our space time in the person we know as Enoch a little over 8,000 years ago ... the re-incarnation cycle is 60-80 billion years to reach half spirit half material ... it is the way humans learn , and take the seven steps that lead back to the Creation , one must endure the positive and the negative ... everything we feel , learn , experience is recorded and one day is sent back with us to the Creation , where we build new Universes and all the beautiful things in space ... the seven steps have also seven sub periods , which can take several thousands of years until one step is made , 1- primary life 2-Rational life 3-Intellectual life 4-Real life 5-Creational life 6-spiritual life 7-Creation life ... if a life is ended too early , it will re-enter at the level it was until the lesson is learned ...in the beyond between material lifetimes , the spirit learns there as well ...re-incarnation is the only step for humans to evolve back to spirit form and merge with the Creation from whence it came ...the Earth human it is said is in the middle of number 2 , the Plejaren are in the middle of number 5 ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_6

[christian]

Look at life on Earth, and see how it can be a deceptive travail. Can be, but doesn't have to be. Can also be free, creative, and full of joy and beauty. Can souls get trapped? Well, as above—so below.

[Carmody]

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and the studio version (http://ourbookandtheauthors.bandcamp.com/track/everyone-forever)

I have the fun of seeing through time every day, and have had, many a time, waking time-slips, visions, and so on. (two or three minor ones today, for example) Speaking in people's heads, talking to the animals, playing with the weather, and shall we say, influencing or shifting large gatherings, and so on. (astral projection, etc). The most humbling of all, is to aid others in not having their deaths overwhelm them, as an overbearing imprint. This requires enduring their physical death, and helping shift it into a release point and not an imprint. Although, I'd say, there is a limit to how much the body can handle, as it is indeed reflected back. The 'spirit' shall we say, can handle it - but the body... not so much. It requires going from the most base horror, and to the highest of the high, in one controlled motion. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.

Suffice it to say, linear time is an illusion. Which leaves all else open to investigation. Scientific Objectivism lies dead on the floor, as the projection that it is.

[birddog]

When we die, one of our loved ones will come for us. We will recognize him, and feel safe. He will direct us through the tunnel and we will be on our way. Do not be afraid or worry. All will be taken care of. I will go to the white light, and no other. Your guide or family member will assist.

[Carmody]

When we die, one of our loved ones will come for us. We will recognize him, and feel safe. He will direct us through the tunnel and we will be on our way. Do not be afraid or worry. All will be taken care of. I will go to the white light, and no other. Your guide or family member will assist.

As stated above, sometimes an intervention needs take place, before that can occur.

The light has a sound. A sound that will shake your very bones. It is unlike, well, it is basically indescribable.

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[JChombre]

What you truly are can not be captured, interfered with, changed in any way and is eternal.
Chris

Hello Chris,

I most definitely agree with you. So maybe there is a program that's designed to convince us that our souls are trapped in the reincarnation cycle. This program would be part of a series of distractions that are designed to keep our attention and focus away from the realization that we are infinite creator beings. And of course, whatever we focus on manifests itself in our reality. So our innate creative powers are being hijacked and used to create a reality that is deadly to us but beneficial to earth and non-earth entities that thrive and need fear to survive. Chem trails are another major distraction and source of fear used these days.

Going back to the topic of this thread, by keeping the belief in soul recycling through reincarnation alive, we are unwittingly prolonging the life cycle of the reincarnation process. In linear time, reincarnation was abolished (or made obsoleted) from our reality sometime around the first decade of 2000.

Lastly, we usually forget that as our inner Light shines brighter and brighter we become impervious to fear generating things and processes like chem trails, or reincarnation... So maybe we need to spend more time working on our inner Light than worrying about reincarnation :sun:.

Many blessings to you.

JC

[Wind]

The only trap is in your mind, for the mind has fear of the unknown. The only thing you should be worried about is the fear itself, but if you let it go it will dissolve. It's always been about choice and respecting the universal laws. We are not the victims of the world, we are the world. Everything happens for a reason.

[Skyhaven]

When the ego is dropped you will not get trapped. What I mean with this: if you open your heart completely so that it is fully connected to oneness of all of creation, then you'll be supported and you will not get the feeling of being trapped.

ps This is only true if you believe it to be true.

[Rich]

law #3 What you put out is what you get back.

[greybeard]

In "God" I trust--That is the bottom line for me.
I have personal experience that I am looked after--because I asked to be.
What I ask is ultimately SELF.

Chris

[Skyhaven]

Trust, let go of the need to control your future (ego), then fear will go, if fear is gone, you're more capable to align with the one (source, god, all that exists), because it runs on love (it doesn't align with the fear frequency)

PS. This is also only true if you believe it to be true

[Sirus]

There's a direct connection to god which is always there but many have forgotten, and now think that they need to improve themselves with every lifetime to become godlike. Most of the spirit world doesn't have a clue what's going on and participate in the reincarnation process in good faith. There is a process and there are opportunities for essences to incarnate between denser and lighter forms and the forgetting part is unnecessary.

It wasn't always like this either. The connection to source was always remembered on earth. It was only when the male energy asked the question: "Do we really have free will if we always remember our connection to god? Are we truly free?"

The female energies went along with this and god allowed it (free will).

This cycle of forgetting will change.

[loveoflife]

The in5D website is famous for its fiction.

Ray

Maybe so. Yet it has sourced material from David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Mark Passio, Jordan Maxwell, to name but a few.

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Look at life on Earth, and see how it can be a deceptive travail. Can be, but doesn't have to be. Can also be free, creative, and full of joy and beauty. Can souls get trapped? Well, as above—so below.

Yes, as above so below, as within so without.

[loveoflife]

The only trap is in your mind, for the mind has fear of the unknown. The only thing you should be worried about is the fear itself, but if you let it go it will dissolve. It's always been about choice and respecting the universal laws. We are not the victims of the world, we are the world. Everything happens for a reason.

I agree, the problem is that the mind has been conditioned, indoctrinated and programmed from birth to accept a false version of reality that has the purpose of limiting human consciousness and awareness.

[loveoflife]

There's a direct connection to god which is always there but many have forgotten, and now think that they need to improve themselves with every lifetime to become godlike. Most of the spirit world doesn't have a clue what's going on and participate in the reincarnation process in good faith. There is a process and there are opportunities for essences to incarnate between denser and lighter forms and the forgetting part is unnecessary.

It wasn't always like this either. The connection to source was always remembered on earth. It was only when the male energy asked the question: "Do we really have free will if we always remember our connection to god? Are we truly free?"

The female energies went along with this and god allowed it (free will).

This cycle of forgetting will change.

There is a program here of not being good enough, that we have to live up to exacting standards externally imposed upon us in order to succeed. I disagree with this i am good enough as i am, as an infinite being who chose to come here to experience limitation.

It all started as a child, when i was told that i should not be 'here' i should be 'over there' and when i get 'over there' i will achieve everything i want, find myself and more beyond my wildest dreams. So i spent many frustrating years trying to live up to standards imposed upon me and follow guidelines to get 'over there' only to realise that i was not good enough for it required a super human effort. Then i gave up and realised that i have been been 'here' all along, and that 'here' is where i need to be. In fact 'here' was the 'over there' that was looking for. Any search for myself takes me away from myself.

We are all good enough, it does not take great disciplines of renunciation, austerity and purification, these things will easily, naturally and organically follow the simple realisation that i am good enough as i am and right now 'here' is where i need to be. This 'what is' now experience is all there is. Why should there be anything more?

Total reliance on an external power and not upon ourselves is disempowering, 'the savior programme'.

This is the belief system behind reincarnation that perpetuates it, the belief that 'i am not good enough' and a victim conscious that see the individual as powerless to forces and authorities beyond its control, that remove individual sovereignty.

[Finefeather]

The in5D website is famous for its fiction.

Ray

Maybe so. Yet it has sourced material from David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Mark Passio, Jordan Maxwell, to name but a few.[COLOR="red"]
As far as 'spiritual' matters are concerned, or life and world view facts... In my experience... none of them write anything which conforms to reality... they are all fiction writers to me... and that's my chosen view on it.

Ray

[Finefeather]

There is a program here of not being good enough, that we have to live up to exacting standards externally imposed upon us in order to succeed. I disagree with this i am good enough as i am, as an infinite being who chose to come here to experience limitation.

All I can say is that your ego is alive and well... and ignorance is bliss... and you'll be in for a face down surprise when your body packs up one day :)

"Good enough"... you say... which is sure reason for you to be back in another body in a while... where you might begin to get some idea just how little you know... but I would recommend to give it a go now.

Ray

[Sirus]

There is a program here of not being good enough, that we have to live up to exacting standards externally imposed upon us in order to succeed. I disagree with this i am good enough as i am, as an infinite being who chose to come here to experience limitation.


Very true and happiness rather than inner peace is the product that is sold to us in a myriad of forms.



Total reliance on an external power and not upon ourselves is disempowering, 'the savior programme'.


A true savior is a way shower or teacher. I think Lao Tzu said it best:

“To lead people, walk beside them ...
As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence.
The next best, the people honor and praise.
The next, the people fear; and the next, the people hate ...
When the best leader's work is done the people say,
We did it ourselves!”

[Finefeather]

Total reliance on an external power and not upon ourselves is disempowering, 'the savior programme'.

No human can by his/her own means gain access to higher knowledge... all knowledge has come from higher Beings... If you like it or not.

The 'saviour programme' you mention is a man made attempt at interpreting the words of Christ... who happened to be a higher non human Self.

His words "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." is proof of mans ignorance of what he actually meant.

This statement uttered by him actually meant that no human can progress to the next higher kingdom without the knowledge that he was attempting to bring... it failed because it was incorrectly interpreted as... "We must worship the lord thy God, else you will end up in hell" which is today the Christian religion.

Of course 'hell' is just the life some of us live in earth while we live in the illusion that we can find truth written by people who themselves mis-interpret the very things they read... and then palm it off as facts to ignorant mankind.

Ray

[loveoflife]

Total reliance on an external power and not upon ourselves is disempowering, 'the savior programme'.

No human can by his/her own means gain access to higher knowledge... all knowledge has come from higher Beings... If you like it or not.

The 'saviour programme' you mention is a man made attempt at interpreting the words of Christ... who happened to be a higher non human Self.

His words "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." is proof of mans ignorance of what he actually meant.

This statement uttered by him actually meant that no human can progress to the next higher kingdom without the knowledge that he was attempting to bring... it failed because it was incorrectly interpreted as... "We must worship the lord thy God, else you will end up in hell" which is today the Christian religion.

Of course 'hell' is just the life some of us live in earth while we live in the illusion that we can find truth written by people who themselves mis-interpret the very things they read... and then palm it off as facts to ignorant mankind.

Ray

Your term 'higher beings' can be interpreted as a reliance on hierarchy. I also have a non human invisible and intangible part to my being. This being self evident with my mind and consciousness for starters. I would not call it higher to relegate my experience here as 'less than'.

We need teachers for everything not just higher knowledge. There does come a time when we need let go of the need for external stimulus and input and rely on ourselves, to make our own connections to source. Otherwise its dependency and the 'saviour programme'.



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There is a program here of not being good enough, that we have to live up to exacting standards externally imposed upon us in order to succeed. I disagree with this i am good enough as i am, as an infinite being who chose to come here to experience limitation.


Very true and happiness rather than inner peace is the product that is sold to us in a myriad of forms.



Total reliance on an external power and not upon ourselves is disempowering, 'the savior programme'.


A true savior is a way shower or teacher. I think Lao Tzu said it best:

“To lead people, walk beside them ...
As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence.
The next best, the people honor and praise.
The next, the people fear; and the next, the people hate ...
When the best leader's work is done the people say,
We did it ourselves!”

Excellent quote.

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There is a program here of not being good enough, that we have to live up to exacting standards externally imposed upon us in order to succeed. I disagree with this i am good enough as i am, as an infinite being who chose to come here to experience limitation.

All I can say is that your ego is alive and well... and ignorance is bliss... and you'll be in for a face down surprise when your body packs up one day :)

"Good enough"... you say... which is sure reason for you to be back in another body in a while... where you might begin to get some idea just how little you know... but I would recommend to give it a go now.

Ray

You talk like your all knowing.

I need my ego it is my identity, embodied or not ego is still there. My ego is evolved or not dependent on what i identify with as being my inner core, or my outer shell/projection.

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In "God" I trust--That is the bottom line for me.
I have personal experience that I am looked after--because I asked to be.
What I ask is ultimately SELF.

Chris

It is my belief and inner knowing that causes me to be looked after.

There is also some common sense involved, it would not be wise to go walking around the most violent part of a city at 1am and expect to be looked after.

[loveoflife]

This thread is going off topic, and back into the old traditions of indoctrinated spiritual belief systems. We are not breaking any new ground concerning the reincarnation trap, that is allegedly enforced by archontic forces and controlled by the corrupt demiurge in its matrix of illusion, manipulation, slavery and control.

[Camilo]

Fear based theories are a distraction.

[greybeard]

I would wonder where story that there is something out to get us on death, steal our soul etc. came from.
In who's interest is it to promote this and therefore fear of this?
Who wants to promote fear?
Who says don't go into the light when you die its a trap.
Where is the real evidence of this---its hearsay---promoted by who?

Enlightenment is a different ball game entirely, its not about God, its about finding out what you are, in your fullness.
The enlightened can not be restrained.

A story
Alexander the Great heard of a Sage and asked that he come see him.
The sage refused.
Alexander went to him and brandishing his sword said If you don't come with me I will chop off your head.
The sage said Then we will both watch it fall to the ground.
Alexander left him in peace.

There are many direct accounts of awakening spiritually.
Few, if any, of people admitting to being taken over on death.

You can not love life and be in fear at the same time.

Chris

[Hervé]

My, so many cookie-cutters of all sizes, shapes and colors... in da box... errrr... thread...

Here is one (nothing personal):


"The only trap is in your mind, for the mind has fear of the unknown."Now, how come one ends up not knowing something and fear it from an omniscient state? Is it curiosity for the experience? Choice of experience? Enforced or imposed experience?

Biting a bit deeper into that cookie: how come one ends up being so confused about oneself that it gets completely entangled with "its mind" and lets it do the driving? Is it curiosity for the experience? Choice of experience? Enforced or imposed experience? Never mind that, that, is already assuming that one is different from its own mind... never mind those of others.

As for "re-incarnation," how come someone decided to put an end to the so-called endless cycle of births and deaths? That is, how come he could even get an idea that such existed -- as a reality -- to such an extant he wanted to put an end to it?

Then, from then on, we got this kind of things:


Unmistaken child:
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A different side of this re-incarnation dice is the one having to do with the therapeutic value of accessing incidents in that other reality of the mind, especially when reliving traumatic incidents, whether one believes in past lives or not.

Whatever theory one adopts, whether parallel universes, timelines or timeless ever present "now," it sure affects current lives... linearly!

Here is my favorite example of entangled, confused, minds and past experiences:


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Spirit Of Bear
This would have to have been one of the strangest cases that I have ever dealt with.

When the client arrived, he showed me both of his arms at the elbow, and there were scars on both because of an operation. He stated that both of his arms had been broken by an invisible force that had tried, on many occasions, to kill him.

I then asked, “How, and when, did it first start?”

The client stated that it started nine years ago when he went to a party and got drunk. The next morning he was awoken suddenly by some guy on his chest, punching the “living daylights” out of him and accusing him of stealing something.

The client also stated that he had never felt so petrified in his entire life, and from that day on, this thing had surfaced within him; it was huge and had thrown him down flights of stairs and across rooms. It had, at times, jumped out of his body and into the body of his girlfriend. It then ripped hunks of hair out of his head and clawed huge scratches in him. At times, it had even attempted to throw him out into moving traffic. When it surfaces, it throws him around the room with ease, as if he was a rag doll, and he had no way of stopping it.

[...]

As my friend accessed the client's etheric field and onto his T1 (individual time line), she stated, “Oh my god, it's a bear. It has just bitten off his right arm, broken his left arm and is clawing him to death.”

I then asked the client's spirit, “Are we dealing with the spirit of a bear?” And it indicated, “Yes.”

I then asked the client's spirit how far back in time did this bear become trapped in the field of this being?

[...]

The story now unfolded as the spirit of the client was reliving the event that occurred 1,500 years ago.

He stated, “I am a hunter and I have just trapped this bear. I thought it was dead, but as I approach it, I see that it's not dead and it turns on me. It has me down and has just bitten off my right arm, broken my left arm and is clawing me to death; I feel petrified as I am dying.”

What has occurred is that both he and the bear are full of fear, as the bear is also dying. They both die and create an integrated universe of fear, which they are both trapped in.

This internal, integrated universe had become a sleeper and was awoken nine years ago, when the client awoke with some guy on his chest belting the daylights out of him. As he had never been so petrified in his entire life, this petrified, internal creation had triggered off this sleeping dimension, and the bear was also trapped in it--the yawning and belching was the bear coming out of its hibernation as it awoke and wanted out of his field.

That wasn't all!

At the end of the session my assistant commented, “Look at his arms and his fingernails!” We did and the hairs on his arms were at least an inch long; his fingernails were the longest fingernails I had ever seen on a male--they were more like claws. The client then commented that now made so much sense, as all of my life I would wake up having nightmares about being attacked by a bear. He then took off his shirt. The hairs on his chest, and all over his back and backside, were three-inches long. The spirit of the bear was gradually attempting to manifest into this reality, as it was trapped within the client's field.

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The spirit of a bear and that of a man confused and entangled together for over a thousand years... therapeutic value!

So, if such confusion can ensue a traumatic event... imagine the harvests from wars and their carnage... that's where and when the recruiting for the different factions/belief systems occur...

See, if humans can be "Greenbaumed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485533&viewfull=1#post485533)," MKultraed, etc, into sex slaves, sleepers, patsies, gurus, political and/or religious leaders, etc.; what prevents the controllers from the "other side of life" to do the same to battlefield, freshly discarnated, confused recruits? (see Carmody's or Finefeather's and others' posts for accounts of differing recruitment, reception committees). However, they may not run into any who , at their bucket-kicking have been Greenbaumed/MKultraed to directly show themselves up at the front desk, U-L 45, Dulce base... or at BattleStar Gee-33 missions' reports deck.

In the end, "re-incarnation," once stripped of gods, spiritual journeys, etc... may not be anything else than a business model where suckers like me have been enrolled to drive a body around for the company's profit... as allegedly mentioned in some Sumerian tablets: get 'em mining the gold down there!

A business venture onto which many different "cosmic" psy-ops have been grafted, such as "karma," "it's a school," "it's good for your spiritual journey," "it's a vital mission," etc... anything but any practical clues as to how to remember how we got conned into starting that endless cycle of deaths and rebirths without remembering any of it.

[Skyhaven]

This thread is going off topic, and back into the old traditions of indoctrinated spiritual belief systems. We are not breaking any new ground concerning the reincarnation trap, that is allegedly enforced by archontic forces and controlled by the corrupt demiurge in its matrix of illusion, manipulation, slavery and control.

Ok, if you choose to believe in fear, then fear is what you will create and attract. Don't underestimate the power of belief, it has been belittled by social engineers for specific reasons, but humans are potentially very powerful because they can create/attract realities through belief/intention/projection.

[Rich]

"You were never born; you will never die. You have never changed; you can never change. Unborn, eternal, immutable, immemorial, you do not die when the body dies." - Bhagavad Gita

[naste.de.lumina]

A business venture onto which many different "cosmic" psy-ops have been grafted, such as "karma," "it's a school," "it's good for your spiritual journey," "it's a vital mission," etc... anything but any practical clues as to how to remember how we got conned into starting that endless cycle of deaths and rebirths without remembering any of it.

I think this is the fundamental question to be answered. Everything else is a consequence.

This is a text written in Portuguese language for initiation school called Eubiose (http://www.eubiose.org.br/site/br/), when it was still known as the Brazilian Theosophical Society. This school, as they themselves say, it would be an evolution of theosophy mixed with teachings of secret Tibetan initiation schools.

According to Eubiose, theosophy was mainly based on the teachings of these two schools, the Tibetan and the texts of the Hindu Vedas.


THE ASSURAS GIVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO MAN - The Divine Rebels as Nirmanakayas, ie beings already coated rúpicos (with a physical form) vehicles were sacrificed and the well salvation of the Monads who wandered in a state of deep unconsciousness, vegetated without purpose because they were irresponsible like the Collective Soul featuring Animal Kingdom. Were the Assuras who gave the principle of Egohood to primitive men, that men only had the appearance still extremely grotesque. To that end, they had to sacrifice is incarnated in those unconscious and gross forms that greatly repelled the superb Hierarchy of the Lords of Mind.
Source: https://comunidadeteurgicaportuguesa.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/fiat-lux-15-crepc3basculo-dos-deuses-assc3baricos.pdf


To me this description sounds like a kidnapping

[Wind]

"The Buddha had withstood the worst attacks of Mara. Finally, the Evil One retreated and the terrible storm he had raised died away. Now the mind of the Blessed One relaxed into peace. The great darkness faded away and the full moon and stars reappeared again.

The Lord passed into a deep meditation, passing beyond the limits of ordinary human understanding, seeing the world as it is, and not as it appears to be. Like an eagle soaring effortlessly toward the sun, his mind moved swiftly onward and upward.

He saw his past lives and all his former births, with their good and evil deeds, with their gains and losses. As his mind soared upwards he saw the round of birth and death of all mankind. He saw beings born repeatedly and dying according to their karma.

Those who do good actions have heavenly births. Though these lives last longer than those on earth they also end in death, as they are also subject to the law of impermanence. Those who were suffering in the hell realms would also continue in the round of rebirths. So all beings (except Buddhas) are caught in the same round of existence, due to ignorance.

As his vision became even clearer, he saw the so-called soul of man, which man claims as his own, broken up into parts and laid before him like the unwoven threads of a garment. He saw the cause of the chain of existence — ignorance. The ignorant person, who clings to things that are worthless and transient, creates in him or herself more and more dangerous illusions. But when desire dies, illusions end, and ignorance vanishes like the night. Then the sun of enlightenment shines.

And having understood the world as it is, the Buddha was perfected in wisdom, never to be born again. Craving and destructive desire had been completely eradicated — as a fire goes out for lack of fuel.

Bathed in the brilliant light of all wisdom and truth sat the Buddha, the Perfect One. And all about him the world lay calm and bright and a soft breeze lifted the leaves of the bodhi tree.

Filled with compassion, the Lord sat beneath the tree in deep contemplation of the Dharma, residing in the perfect peace of nirvana."

At the dawn after his enlightenment the Buddha uttered this verse:

"Thro' many a birth in samsara wandered
Seeking, but not finding, the builder of this house.
Sorrowful is repeated birth.
House builder, thou art seen.
Thou shalt build no house again.
All thy rafters are broken; thy ridgepole is shattered.
The mind attains the unconditioned.
Achieved is the end of craving."

From Life of the Buddha (http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhism/lifebuddha/2_1lbud.htm)

[darthtoaster]

Hello love of life, I have not kept up and did not realize you posted to me. I think you are extremely wise to wary of the light, for the very reasons you mention. I will expand on my statement by which I said it is "wonderful" in the light (or as Cat has mentioned, simply being greeted by two close relatives).

To refuse the light is indeed an option, in which case one remains an observer on this plane so to speak, the typical ghost we often hear about. The reason I encourage the light is that it keeps an individual on schedule, with their soul group/family. When sent back in so to speak from outside the system, you can end up anywhere at a time not of your choosing and with out advance knowledge. This causes a difficult acclimation once born and reintegrating with material existence. As well, the system, housed in the moon, from which our souls are generated, is not under the control of anyone. The "bad" get generated from there as well as the "good". The "elite" of course (the tiny controller group) circumvent this process because they were provided what is almost immortality technology in the very distant past. Ultimately this is to their detriment but they don't see it that way.

Ultimately up there in the little temporary heaven it is a total sham, a fraud. The system is designed to coax you into doing exactly what the system wants, and it is an extremely advanced form of AI that is the mind behind it all. That said, I personally consider it the better option than being adrift. Ultimately, each person must make their own decisions and my choice is to attempt to circumvent the entire process and ascend, as I have spoken of elsewhere. If I do not succeed, upon my death it is likely I will obediently go to the light.

Much love

[Rich]

Once more, if you think of daily life as an ever-moving three-dimensional
painting with you as the artist, then you will realize that as your
beliefs change so will your experience. You must accept the idea completely,
however, that your beliefs form your experience. Discard those
beliefs that are not bringing you those effects you want. In the meantime
you will often be in the position of telling yourself that something
is true in the face of physical data that seems completely contradictory.
You may say, "I live amid abundance and am free from want," while your
eyes tell you that the desk is piled with bills. You must realize that you
are the one who produced that "physical evidence" that still faces you,
and you did so through your beliefs.
So as you alter the belief, the physical evidence will gradually begin
to "prove" your new belief as faithfully as it did your old one. You must
work with your own ideas. While there are general categories of beliefs,
and general reasons for them, you must become personally aware of
your own, for no one person is completely like any other. The old beliefs
served a purpose and fulfilled a need.
As mentioned earlier you may have believed that of itself poverty
was more spiritual than abundance, or that you were basically unworthy
and should therefore punish yourself by being poor. ~Seth (The Nature of Personal Reality)

[Rich]

Perception is a mirror, not a fact. And what I look on is my state of mind, reflected outward.
I would bless the world by looking on it through the eyes of Christ.
And I will look upon the certain signs that all my sins have been forgiven me. ~ACIM

[loveoflife]

This thread is going off topic, and back into the old traditions of indoctrinated spiritual belief systems. We are not breaking any new ground concerning the reincarnation trap, that is allegedly enforced by archontic forces and controlled by the corrupt demiurge in its matrix of illusion, manipulation, slavery and control.

Ok, if you choose to believe in fear, then fear is what you will create and attract. Don't underestimate the power of belief, it has been belittled by social engineers for specific reasons, but humans are potentially very powerful because they can create/attract realities through belief/intention/projection.


“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”

― C.G. Jung


I find your philosophy new age and in and of itself fear based, a fear of fear and avoidance of the shadow. I hear what you say often from the positive police and rainbow fascists.

I am looking at fear full in the face here. Avoiding fear is avoiding yourself and the your shadow. We are both darkness and light.


I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

[loveoflife]

Hello love of life, I have not kept up and did not realize you posted to me. I think you are extremely wise to wary of the light, for the very reasons you mention. I will expand on my statement by which I said it is "wonderful" in the light (or as Cat has mentioned, simply being greeted by two close relatives).

To refuse the light is indeed an option, in which case one remains an observer on this plane so to speak, the typical ghost we often hear about. The reason I encourage the light is that it keeps an individual on schedule, with their soul group/family. When sent back in so to speak from outside the system, you can end up anywhere at a time not of your choosing and with out advance knowledge. This causes a difficult acclimation once born and reintegrating with material existence. As well, the system, housed in the moon, from which our souls are generated, is not under the control of anyone. The "bad" get generated from there as well as the "good". The "elite" of course (the tiny controller group) circumvent this process because they were provided what is almost immortality technology in the very distant past. Ultimately this is to their detriment but they don't see it that way.

Ultimately up there in the little temporary heaven it is a total sham, a fraud. The system is designed to coax you into doing exactly what the system wants, and it is an extremely advanced form of AI that is the mind behind it all. That said, I personally consider it the better option than being adrift. Ultimately, each person must make their own decisions and my choice is to attempt to circumvent the entire process and ascend, as I have spoken of elsewhere. If I do not succeed, upon my death it is likely I will obediently go to the light.

Much love



Thank you.

I am wary of the false light and its teachings, that deny darkness. One can not exist without the other in duality.

The way to the light is through the dark. To deny one is to deny the other, while we are in duality.

The information you post sounds channeled, and a surrender to unknown external forces, that you assume have power over you. I find this message disempowering.

The way to avoid all these traps is to wake up to our unlimited potential and to know that hierarchy is about manipulation.

[loveoflife]

I would wonder where story that there is something out to get us on death, steal our soul etc. came from.
In who's interest is it to promote this and therefore fear of this?
Who wants to promote fear?
Who says don't go into the light when you die its a trap.
Where is the real evidence of this---its hearsay---promoted by who?

Enlightenment is a different ball game entirely, its not about God, its about finding out what you are, in your fullness.
The enlightened can not be restrained.

A story
Alexander the Great heard of a Sage and asked that he come see him.
The sage refused.
Alexander went to him and brandishing his sword said If you don't come with me I will chop off your head.
The sage said Then we will both watch it fall to the ground.
Alexander left him in peace.

There are many direct accounts of awakening spiritually.
Few, if any, of people admitting to being taken over on death.

You can not love life and be in fear at the same time.

Chris

I can love life and face fear at the same time. I can love fear, it is a great teacher about myself.

Freedom from fear does not come about by avoiding it. The freedom comes from facing fear and feeling it and experiencing progress by passing through fear to come out the other side stronger, and to see fear for what it is.

Courage is not the absence of fear, it is feeling the fear and doing anyway. Ask any soldier/warrior whose job it is to face death on a daily basis.

I started this thread for the purpose of challenging the greatest taboo and fear for many, death.

[darthtoaster]

Hello loveoflife. Interesting response.

First, the information is channeled, or received as it were. You may have read elsewhere where I posted that I have met some of these individuals face to face.

I do not think it is unfair that you assume these beings assume a higher position. But that is not the case. They present themselves only as my family. Now with that said, they snapped me into an out of body state once when I was asking them about themselves and showed me something. It was a large room. Lighted. The view I had was blurry on the edges, unlike any other out of body view I had experienced. I saw a lot of pipes lol. I stated that it looked like a refrigeration system. They said that was the cooling system. But I couldn't make out much else clearly and they could only maintain the visit for about 30 seconds, maybe even less. Essentially, that was where they were speaking to me from. They had interfaced with it. Hacked it. Its a computer, and that is where we originate and where we return to each life.

You state, basically, that what I speak of is false light. To this I would agree. It is a heaven of sorts with interactive experiences, a life re new and so on, learning, but ultimately it is a system of control. And compulsion. And, as I stated, you may remain separate from it but the only way we know of to escape it is to meld this programmed soul with physical body, and then transform the two together. If you are aware of better methods then by all means, proceed with my encouragement, and share :)

But ... the validity of what I've been told and shown seems not only reasonable but also explains many things that occur hear in ways that other explanations do not. Tom Campbell the physicist has useful information about this digital reality and so on.

It is perfectly OK to reject what I say. How can you trust me, you don't even know me. I'm just sharing, with the idea that perhaps this sharing may someday prove useful to someone besides myself. You never know unless you try.

My absolute best to you

[loveoflife]

Hello loveoflife. Interesting response.

First, the information is channeled, or received as it were. You may have read elsewhere where I posted that I have met some of these individuals face to face.

I do not think it is unfair that you assume these beings assume a higher position. But that is not the case. They present themselves only as my family. Now with that said, they snapped me into an out of body state once when I was asking them about themselves and showed me something. It was a large room. Lighted. The view I had was blurry on the edges, unlike any other out of body view I had experienced. I saw a lot of pipes lol. I stated that it looked like a refrigeration system. They said that was the cooling system. But I couldn't make out much else clearly and they could only maintain the visit for about 30 seconds, maybe even less. Essentially, that was where they were speaking to me from. They had interfaced with it. Hacked it. Its a computer, and that is where we originate and where we return to each life.

You state, basically, that what I speak of is false light. To this I would agree. It is a heaven of sorts with interactive experiences, a life re new and so on, learning, but ultimately it is a system of control. And compulsion. And, as I stated, you may remain separate from it but the only way we know of to escape it is to meld this programmed soul with physical body, and then transform the two together. If you are aware of better methods then by all means, proceed with my encouragement, and share :)

But ... the validity of what I've been told and shown seems not only reasonable but also explains many things that occur hear in ways that other explanations do not. Tom Campbell the physicist has useful information about this digital reality and so on.

It is perfectly OK to reject what I say. How can you trust me, you don't even know me. I'm just sharing, with the idea that perhaps this sharing may someday prove useful to someone besides myself. You never know unless you try.

My absolute best to you

As i have stated previously there is much confusion between our spiritual and psychic natures, some consider them to be the same though they are quite different.

It is said by many especially from gnostic sources that the archons who manipulate the false light artificial matrix are very intelligent and psychic, more so than humans. They lack and are envious of the spiritual dimension that humans possess and that they lack.

The astral realms are of the psychic level and many illusions are created there.

I am also wary of belief i can see that for many it is a limitation. Eternity is dynamic it has no boundaries. It is ever increasing.

[greybeard]

I would wonder where story that there is something out to get us on death, steal our soul etc. came from.
In who's interest is it to promote this and therefore fear of this?
Who wants to promote fear?
Who says don't go into the light when you die its a trap.
Where is the real evidence of this---its hearsay---promoted by who?

Enlightenment is a different ball game entirely, its not about God, its about finding out what you are, in your fullness.
The enlightened can not be restrained.

A story
Alexander the Great heard of a Sage and asked that he come see him.
The sage refused.
Alexander went to him and brandishing his sword said If you don't come with me I will chop off your head.
The sage said Then we will both watch it fall to the ground.
Alexander left him in peace.

There are many direct accounts of awakening spiritually.
Few, if any, of people admitting to being taken over on death.

You can not love life and be in fear at the same time.

Chris

I can love life and face fear at the same time. I can love fear, it is a great teacher about myself.

Freedom from fear does not come about by avoiding it. The freedom comes from facing fear and feeling it and experiencing progress by passing through fear to come out the other side stronger, and to see fear for what it is.

Courage is not the absence of fear, it is feeling the fear and doing anyway. Ask any soldier/warrior whose job it is to face death on a daily basis.

I started this thread for the purpose of challenging the greatest taboo and fear for many, death.

Yes much of what you say is true loveoflife in that post and I suspect that most on Avalon have had to face fear.
I have been face to face with death on three occasions and was once suicidal through alcoholism.
Surrender to a power greater than my self got me through that.
No amount of will power could believe you me I faced up to it and tried without success.

This is duality as you say--how ever if anyone wants to move out of duality, then fear and lack of it are not labelled, judged.
Everything is accepted equally as what is.

Facing up to fear is good, then you find you don't have to give it energy.
Its not avoidance--the vicissitudes of life are treated equally.
Its very subtle its not dumbing down, events are seen as transitory whilst there is the realisation that what you are is eternal and can not be touched by any event.
Fear of death comes to an end

I still don't know where the "don't go into the light" originated from.
I am aware of the lower astral, illuminate, the fact that governments are controlled by such or at the least influenced.
I spent time investigating some time ago and saw that this was not improving my day and was possibly inhibiting my spiritual progress.

A sure way out of reincarnation is enlightenment and that to me would seem to be the priority.

Best wishes
Chris

Ps to be clear I said Be in fear
facing fear is different.

[loveoflife]

I would wonder where story that there is something out to get us on death, steal our soul etc. came from.
In who's interest is it to promote this and therefore fear of this?
Who wants to promote fear?
Who says don't go into the light when you die its a trap.
Where is the real evidence of this---its hearsay---promoted by who?

Enlightenment is a different ball game entirely, its not about God, its about finding out what you are, in your fullness.
The enlightened can not be restrained.

A story
Alexander the Great heard of a Sage and asked that he come see him.
The sage refused.
Alexander went to him and brandishing his sword said If you don't come with me I will chop off your head.
The sage said Then we will both watch it fall to the ground.
Alexander left him in peace.

There are many direct accounts of awakening spiritually.
Few, if any, of people admitting to being taken over on death.

You can not love life and be in fear at the same time.

Chris

I can love life and face fear at the same time. I can love fear, it is a great teacher about myself.

Freedom from fear does not come about by avoiding it. The freedom comes from facing fear and feeling it and experiencing progress by passing through fear to come out the other side stronger, and to see fear for what it is.

Courage is not the absence of fear, it is feeling the fear and doing anyway. Ask any soldier/warrior whose job it is to face death on a daily basis.

I started this thread for the purpose of challenging the greatest taboo and fear for many, death.

Yes much of what you say is true loveoflife in that post and I suspect that most on Avalon have had to face fear.
I have been face to face with death on three occasions and was once suicidal through alcoholism.
Surrender to a power greater than my self got me through that.
No amount of will power could believe you me I faced up to it and tried without success.

This is duality as you say--how ever if anyone wants to move out of duality, then fear and lack of it are not labelled, judged.
Everything is accepted equally as what is.

Facing up to fear is good, then you find you don't have to give it energy.
Its not avoidance--the vicissitudes of life are treated equally.
Its very subtle its not dumbing down, events are seen as transitory whilst there is the realisation that what you are is eternal and can not be touched by any event.
Fear of death comes to an end

I still don't know where the "don't go into the light" originated from.
I am aware of the lower astral, illuminate, the fact that governments are controlled by such or at the least influenced.
I spent time investigating some time ago and saw that this was not improving my day and was possibly inhibiting my spiritual progress.

A sure way out of reincarnation is enlightenment and that to me would seem to be the priority.

Best wishes
Chris

Ps to be clear I said Be in fear
facing fear is different.

Thank you for sharing that, we have had similar experiences.

To love life fully and totally everything needs to be embraced, that included what many define as negative. Our darkness need to be embraced, if it is not actual then it exists as a potential.

The avoidance of the shadow is a psycho- spiritual disease of the soul. http://realitysandwich.com/84778/lets_spread_word_wetiko/

I cannot renounce that which i do not have or never experienced, neither can i transcend that which i deny and avoid. Addiction is proof of that.

I have embarked upon a process of awakening that is at time quite disconcerting and uncomfortable, and definitely does not improve my day. As synchronicity would have it just started a thread on similar theme. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82968-Do-not-deny-the-body-and-its-part-in-awakening.&p=969900#post969900

When tshtf all i can do is sit with it, experience it totally and remember "This too shall pass" Through experience i have found that avoidance only prolongs the problem or the pain. The way out of the pain is through.

[loveoflife]

Considering that archons, fear and the shadow has been mentioned on this thread. I came across this emotive meem, it voices what many leave unsaid in the disaster threads.

I like to get real.

In this scenario my choice would not be to survive at all costs, more like surrender to the inevitable, at which point the theme of this thread would reveal itself in experience, or not. If the reincarnation trap exists then fore warned is fore armed.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11403450_856368431067203_4059146153890249934_n.jpg?oh=4ad18729542632f84bd1391b4da4ae90&oe=55F64B0D

[Skyhaven]

This thread is going off topic, and back into the old traditions of indoctrinated spiritual belief systems. We are not breaking any new ground concerning the reincarnation trap, that is allegedly enforced by archontic forces and controlled by the corrupt demiurge in its matrix of illusion, manipulation, slavery and control.

Ok, if you choose to believe in fear, then fear is what you will create and attract. Don't underestimate the power of belief, it has been belittled by social engineers for specific reasons, but humans are potentially very powerful because they can create/attract realities through belief/intention/projection.


“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”

― C.G. Jung


I find your philosophy new age and in and of itself fear based, a fear of fear and avoidance of the shadow. I hear what you say often from the positive police and rainbow fascists.

I am looking at fear full in the face here. Avoiding fear is avoiding yourself and the your shadow. We are both darkness and light.


I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.



So positivity is negative, and negativity is positive... and you're sort of right because the positive comes from the negative and vice versa.

I have another philosophy you know, it is called 'neutrality' or balance, which is, I believe, a doorway out of the reincarnation cycle.

During reincarnation cycles a soul swings from (extreme) positive to (extreme) negative until all extremities are experienced, and then less extreme postive and negative aspects are explored until finally a soul reaches neutrality, and then you're done.

http://invisionmag.com/images/2015-3/pendulum.jpg

[loveoflife]

So positivity is negative, and negativity is positive... and you're sort of right because the positive comes from the negative and vice versa.

I have another philosophy you know, it is called 'neutrality' or balance, which is, I believe, a doorway out of the reincarnation cycle.

During reincarnation cycles a soul swings from (extreme) positive to (extreme) negative until all extremities are experienced, and then less extreme postive and negative aspects are explored until finally a soul reaches neutrality, and then you're done.

http://invisionmag.com/images/2015-3/pendulum.jpg

Neutrality would not exist without extremes to balance, though it is a preferable path its still in duality.

This thread is about the reincarnation cycle being hijacked to perpetuate a state of slavery on Earth.

Beliefs will be of no use if you are manipulated and tricked into returning.

[greybeard]

With all respect loveoflife I am not enslaved.
Enslaved is an emotive term, fear loaded and is true for some.
Not everyone is balanced enough to cope with fearful ideas.

I can only speak for myself but opportunities were there as they are for many in UK anyway.
Having been modestly successful and now the state provides for me--I don't blame anyone for the failure of my last business--it was down to me.

Compared to life of 100 year ago most here are comfortable.
In my life time I have seem massive changes for the material benefit of many.

I can not see any need for the reincarnation cycle to be hijacked.
It would be a very inefficient way of imposing slavery.
If you are personally in slavery I apologise--some are.

Neutrality is a way out of duality

Best wishes
Chris

[Skyhaven]

The fact that all is balanced out in the end, makes this 'system' incredibly just, therefore it can't be tampered with from within, because the act of the tampering in itself will be brought to justice.

What goes on outside the boundaries of this system is beyond our conception, I believe.

[Skyhaven]

And if one is an (extreme) positive state, one wants to stay really bad, in an (extreme) negative state one wants to leave really bad, and feels trapped, and when one is around the center, it doesn't really matter if one stays or goes, all is well anyway.

But remember you are never truly trapped because change is the only constant.

[Deega]

I would wonder where story that there is something out to get us on death, steal our soul etc. came from.
In who's interest is it to promote this and therefore fear of this?
Who wants to promote fear?
Who says don't go into the light when you die its a trap.
Where is the real evidence of this---its hearsay---promoted by who?

Enlightenment is a different ball game entirely, its not about God, its about finding out what you are, in your fullness.
The enlightened can not be restrained.

A story
Alexander the Great heard of a Sage and asked that he come see him.
The sage refused.
Alexander went to him and brandishing his sword said If you don't come with me I will chop off your head.
The sage said Then we will both watch it fall to the ground.
Alexander left him in peace.

There are many direct accounts of awakening spiritually.
Few, if any, of people admitting to being taken over on death.

You can not love life and be in fear at the same time.

Chris

Hi Chris, you must be aware of the book ''Aliens Interview'' by author Lawrence Spencer where Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, a US Army nurse was used in 1947 to interviewed a ''IS-BE'' Aliens recovered from the Crash UFO in Roswell in 1947.

I have read most of the book, the IS-BE (Alien Being) telepathically talked about who we are supposedly, how we were brought on Earth, here is a first of many YouTube of her telepathic interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo401KshiHY

[loveoflife]

With all respect loveoflife I am not enslaved.
Enslaved is an emotive term, fear loaded and is true for some.
Not everyone is balanced enough to cope with fearful ideas.

I can only speak for myself but opportunities were there as they are for many in UK anyway.
Having been modestly successful and now the state provides for me--I don't blame anyone for the failure of my last business--it was down to me.

Compared to life of 100 year ago most here are comfortable.
In my life time I have seem massive changes for the material benefit of many.

I can not see any need for the reincarnation cycle to be hijacked.
It would be a very inefficient way of imposing slavery.
If you are personally in slavery I apologise--some are.

Neutrality is a way out of duality

Best wishes
Chris

All i hear you saying is that you are unaware of the many researchers who you disagree with including The Gnostics.

If you are in denial about your slavery and that Earth is a prison planet thats your problem.

Slavery is like mind control it works best when the slaves believe themselves to be free and in control.

Transcendence is the way out of duality.

[Rich]

Transcendence is the way out of duality.

Lovelife you are not an object that can be trapped, you are not the thoughts that tell you you are an object.

2bjWPsntTkU

[Peace of Mind]

The dead tells no tales. So, the living imagines tales to tell.

Without having the experience of the afterlife, how does one truly knows what the afterlife really is?

I find that many people who have claims of knowing what the afterlife is are usually just attention seekers. Seeing that they can never offer any confirmation/ evidence… there’s generally a sense of false enlightenment to be found. That said…what actually waves the red flag is the immediate defensive posturing that follows, along with arrogant claims of being more “in-touched”.

I’ve yet to witness any such “self proclaimed” display any of their “specialness”…they are always found wasting their time (and yours) attempting to make you believe their beliefs with words instead of substance. But, when that fails, or becomes too much of a task...bitterness soon follows, not patience, not consideration to alternatives or the acknowledgement to any rationale thought. Year after year …I’ve seen this here and there. It's always someone making money claiming to know the "Big Secret". But, all these people ever do is talk, nothing else.

What’s really important is what you do in the “now”. Death is inevitable, when that time comes… I’ll be prepared for it. There will be no regrets or fear because I know I lived out my life to the fullest, never made excuses, never let others mode my thinking with inconsistencies, never let other people’s fears become my own, never was afraid to be responsible in every way possible, and never wasted time when urgent matters needed attention and remedies.

The only thing one should have concerns with is what kind of legacy they will be leaving behind, what will they be remembered for, what contributions did they leave behind for humanity to be inspired by. If all you ever did in your lifetime was “talk” and be a willing participant/blind supporter in the global “Organize Slavery System”…you might want to re-consider some of your daily deeds and make meaningful adjustments in your life… before your life comes to its end. And it will…

Peace

[Finefeather]

Hi Chris, you must be aware of the book ''Aliens Interview'' by author Lawrence Spencer where Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, a US Army nurse was used in 1947 to interviewed a ''IS-BE'' Aliens recovered from the Crash UFO in Roswell in 1947.

I have read most of the book, the IS-BE (Alien Being) telepathically talked about who we are supposedly, how we were brought on Earth, here is a first of many YouTube of her telepathic interview.


I see they got you hook line and sinker... this is a known piece of fiction... do some research and free you mind.. :)

A while back when this first became 'hot' these were the main reasons it was considered just plain non-sense.

Nice for a movie though :)

1. The craft was bought down by lightning. This civilization, trillions of years old, been around earth and observing earth for thousands of years was bought down by mere lightning, and that too over a desert. Even our planes are shielded against lightning. They have force fields what not, but hmm lightning.

2. The alien is in contact with its base station in the asteroid belt. But when asked when shes expecting rescue, she says when she is found.

3. The alien talks of companies, profits, selling to highest bidders, neferious intergalactic drug dealers, public relations companies. Would all of these be necessary if you are pure energy and just exist and need nothing to be alive.

4. Evolution as mentioned by the alien is the creation of living beings by various companies on order of some government.

5. Earth is a prison planet covered by a electric grid to capture souls departing a body and wipe memory and reinsertion into human body. Now what if a human died on moon or mars or even in a distant planet when space travel capabilities are developed. But the creators have gone so far to create an ideal prison planets but allows humans to travel outside the earth. This prison is definitely leaky.

6. Everything in existence has been thought into existence by these isbes. Then....why the need for invention, development of living bodies, development of technology by research. Why not simply think them into existence.

7. The aliens talks of electric energy and souls as electric energy, if that's the case we have the capabilities to detect electric/electromagnetic energy. But no souls have been detected, neither has the electric detection grid around Earth.

When are we going to learn that Roswell was a story created by the US Military to avoid the embarrassment of a crack in their defense at the end of the war... or something similar to that... and perpetuated by the US Military Industrial Complex to justify spending trillions of dollars on stuff to blow people up with.

Enjoy the world of illusion.
Ray

[greybeard]

With all respect loveoflife I am not enslaved.
Enslaved is an emotive term, fear loaded and is true for some.
Not everyone is balanced enough to cope with fearful ideas.

I can only speak for myself but opportunities were there as they are for many in UK anyway.
Having been modestly successful and now the state provides for me--I don't blame anyone for the failure of my last business--it was down to me.

Compared to life of 100 year ago most here are comfortable.
In my life time I have seem massive changes for the material benefit of many.

I can not see any need for the reincarnation cycle to be hijacked.
It would be a very inefficient way of imposing slavery.
If you are personally in slavery I apologise--some are.

Neutrality is a way out of duality

Best wishes
Chris

All i hear you saying is that you are unaware of the many researchers who you disagree with including The Gnostics.

If you are in denial about your slavery and that Earth is a prison planet thats your problem.

Slavery is like mind control it works best when the slaves believe themselves to be free and in control.

Transcendence is the way out of duality.

What do you mean by transendence loveoflife?
This planet according to the late Dr Hawkins is a lunatic asylum --he was joking.
It could be likened to purgatory.

With respect you know nothing of me or what I have read.
Im 69 and in the years have read up on many subjects.
Ive read the Gospel of Thomas and some writing about the Gnostics way of life and the teaching but that was so long ago I cant quote anything.
Read about angels.
Read about Padre Peo and the stigmata which disappeared from his hands not long after his death, the bandages were still bloody.
This shows the power of belief and his mind--the stigmata was real.
So Im careful what I believe.
Ive read about Roswell, many conspiracy theories--lets face it this is first and foremost a conspiracy theorist forum.
I could not help but dive into many of the subjects raised some deeply some skimmed.
Of course I am unaware of many researchers work.
So that's my response to what is just an assumption on your part.

Best wishes
Chris

[Rich]

1 There is no life outside of Heaven.
2 Where God created life, there life must be.
3 In any state apart from Heaven life is illusion.
~ACIM

[Agape]

1 There is no life outside of Heaven.
2 Where God created life, there life must be.
3 In any state apart from Heaven life is illusion.
~ACIM

We're 3 feet in the mud here Sir , this is Earth not Heaven :bigsmile:

1. All Life is Intelligent and Benevolent in Essence , coming from One Source
2. Life has been seeded to various environments in non-living Universe, some more hospitable than another
3. Obviously, this is not our domicile, our Home we remember vaguely as .. Heaven

4. Heaven.. is actually a place , another Planet surrounding another Star .. in galaxy faraway whence we once came from ..

5. ...and to where we one day return ...


E.T.theE.T.

:sun:

[loveoflife]

With all respect loveoflife I am not enslaved.
Enslaved is an emotive term, fear loaded and is true for some.
Not everyone is balanced enough to cope with fearful ideas.

I can only speak for myself but opportunities were there as they are for many in UK anyway.
Having been modestly successful and now the state provides for me--I don't blame anyone for the failure of my last business--it was down to me.

Compared to life of 100 year ago most here are comfortable.
In my life time I have seem massive changes for the material benefit of many.

I can not see any need for the reincarnation cycle to be hijacked.
It would be a very inefficient way of imposing slavery.
If you are personally in slavery I apologise--some are.

Neutrality is a way out of duality

Best wishes
Chris

All i hear you saying is that you are unaware of the many researchers who you disagree with including The Gnostics.

If you are in denial about your slavery and that Earth is a prison planet thats your problem.

Slavery is like mind control it works best when the slaves believe themselves to be free and in control.

Transcendence is the way out of duality.

What do you mean by transendence loveoflife?
This planet according to the late Dr Hawkins is a lunatic asylum --he was joking.
It could be likened to purgatory.

With respect you know nothing of me or what I have read.
Im 69 and in the years have read up on many subjects.
Ive read the Gospel of Thomas and some writing about the Gnostics way of life and the teaching but that was so long ago I cant quote anything.
Read about angels.
Read about Padre Peo and the stigmata which disappeared from his hands not long after his death, the bandages were still bloody.
This shows the power of belief and his mind--the stigmata was real.
So Im careful what I believe.
Ive read about Roswell, many conspiracy theories--lets face it this is first and foremost a conspiracy theorist forum.
I could not help but dive into many of the subjects raised some deeply some skimmed.
Of course I am unaware of many researchers work.
So that's my response to what is just an assumption on your part.

Best wishes
Chris

I was referring specifically to the topic of this thread of which you said:


I can not see any need for the reincarnation cycle to be hijacked.

There was no assumption. There are many researchers who have given many reasons.

[Deega]

Hi Chris, you must be aware of the book ''Aliens Interview'' by author Lawrence Spencer where Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, a US Army nurse was used in 1947 to interviewed a ''IS-BE'' Aliens recovered from the Crash UFO in Roswell in 1947.

I have read most of the book, the IS-BE (Alien Being) telepathically talked about who we are supposedly, how we were brought on Earth, here is a first of many YouTube of her telepathic interview.


I see they got you hook line and sinker... this is a known piece of fiction... do some research and free you mind.. :)

A while back when this first became 'hot' these were the main reasons it was considered just plain non-sense.

Nice for a movie though :)

1. The craft was bought down by lightning. This civilization, trillions of years old, been around earth and observing earth for thousands of years was bought down by mere lightning, and that too over a desert. Even our planes are shielded against lightning. They have force fields what not, but hmm lightning.

2. The alien is in contact with its base station in the asteroid belt. But when asked when shes expecting rescue, she says when she is found.

3. The alien talks of companies, profits, selling to highest bidders, neferious intergalactic drug dealers, public relations companies. Would all of these be necessary if you are pure energy and just exist and need nothing to be alive.

4. Evolution as mentioned by the alien is the creation of living beings by various companies on order of some government.

5. Earth is a prison planet covered by a electric grid to capture souls departing a body and wipe memory and reinsertion into human body. Now what if a human died on moon or mars or even in a distant planet when space travel capabilities are developed. But the creators have gone so far to create an ideal prison planets but allows humans to travel outside the earth. This prison is definitely leaky.

6. Everything in existence has been thought into existence by these isbes. Then....why the need for invention, development of living bodies, development of technology by research. Why not simply think them into existence.

7. The aliens talks of electric energy and souls as electric energy, if that's the case we have the capabilities to detect electric/electromagnetic energy. But no souls have been detected, neither has the electric detection grid around Earth.

When are we going to learn that Roswell was a story created by the US Military to avoid the embarrassment of a crack in their defense at the end of the war... or something similar to that... and perpetuated by the US Military Industrial Complex to justify spending trillions of dollars on stuff to blow people up with.

Enjoy the world of illusion.
Ray

Thanks Ray, as you know, all the ''Sticky Book'' on the market has to be identified as ''Fiction'', no Editor would be willing to print difficult subject like this one! Editors don't like to take risks on sticky matter.

My mind is opened up to new things, unknown history, trying to learn what hard working people come up with. As to all your questions and remarks, they should be asked to the authors, they would surely have better answers.

[Maunagarjana]

The dead tells no tales. So, the living imagines tales to tell.

I used to believe that, until I started to deeply investigate Near Death Experiences, Past Life and Between Life Hypnotic Regression, communications with spirits via Psychic Mediums, and gleanings of the between life state from advanced Out of Body Experiencers. If you want to believe we have no way of knowing what happens after we die, go ahead and believe that, but imho, it simply is not true. If you know where and how to look, you can get a pretty good idea of what happens and how it works. And from what I've discovered, there is no reincarnation trap, that's a negative meme that was put out there by many different hoaxers (human and ET alike) to confuse people.

[loveoflife]

The dead tells no tales. So, the living imagines tales to tell.

I used to believe that, until I started to deeply investigate Near Death Experiences, Past Life and Between Life Hypnotic Regression, communications with spirits via Psychic Mediums, and gleanings of the between life state from advanced Out of Body Experiencers. If you want to believe we have no way of knowing what happens after we die, go ahead and believe that, but imho, it simply is not true. If you know where and how to look, you can get a pretty good idea of what happens and how it works. And from what I've discovered, there is no reincarnation trap, that's a negative meme that was put out there by many different hoaxers (human and ET alike) to confuse people.

If you know its a hoax and have evidence then you could name but a few.

There are many researchers who agree with the reincarnation trap, like David Icke, Tom Montalk, Valerian author of the Matrix series to name but a few.

It would appear that the NDE's are given their experiences to promote going to the light, along with Hollywood. I would seem that the matrix of control is cosmic rather than planetary.

[greybeard]

David Icke has said "There is nothing but unconditional love, everything else is illusion"

You pay your penny to take your choice.

As for NDE's quite a few have had profound changes in their health and their way of life.

Chris

[greybeard]

This is a fairly old video but in a much more recent long video,cant remember which, he says that "Only unconditional love is real all else is illusion"
He also says that The Archons are terrified of human awakening in another video---they are not all powerful, they don't have control over your soul.
But then they are part of the illusion that you can wake from.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-smzjZ2yo

[Finefeather]

Thanks Ray, as you know, all the ''Sticky Book'' on the market has to be identified as ''Fiction'', no Editor would be willing to print difficult subject like this one! Editors don't like to take risks on sticky matter.

My mind is opened up to new things, unknown history, trying to learn what hard working people come up with. As to all your questions and remarks, they should be asked to the authors, they would surely have better answers.
Deega, I certainly did not come to my conclusion just because the book was marked as fiction... because I did not even know that. I am therefore even more surprised that you posted this as 'evidence' for a reincarnation trap!...you must therefore believe that the book is fact... ??

If that is not the case then I find it rather disconcerting that you are unable to come to your own conclusion on a book which has so many inconsistencies with reality as we know it... even at a mundane physical level.

And why would I want to pose these questions and remarks to the author... do you honestly believe he will admit that his book is fiction... when he probably wrote it for the sole purpose of making money out of ignorant gullible people?

Take care
Ray

[loveoflife]

This is a fairly old video but in a much more recent long video,cant remember which, he says that "Only unconditional love is real all else is illusion"
He also says that The Archons are terrified of human awakening in another video---they are not all powerful, they don't have control over your soul.
But then they are part of the illusion that you can wake from.
Chris


Correct about DI, he also says we are infinite consciousness. That why this information is important. The archons especially the demiurge would like us to believe that they are more powerful than humans. They are way ahead of us in many ways that we cannot imagine including technology. The reincarnation trap is just a technology to them. That is why information and knowledge is important, about what and who we are dealing with and more importantly knowledge that awakens and empowers the individual to their infinite nature and sovereignty.

They cannot do anything to us without our permission this the do through cunning and trickery, they are are devious beyond measure. According to the Nag Hammad library the Gnostics say they are envious of us because of our spiritual and emotional qualities.#

They create and maintain the illusion.

I watched this recommended from another thread recently, a very interesting film similar to The Matrix.

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[loveoflife]

Here is another link loaded with information.

TRICKED BY THE LIGHT: HOW SOULS ARE PROGRAMMED TO GO TO THE MOON/SUN AT DEATH TO BE RECYCLED AS ENERGY http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/


In Matrix V, Valerian writes, "They want to recycle low to lower mid-level spirits into another breeding productive incarnation. Hence the Light and Tunnel at death Trap. Scanning someone they wish to recycle as they near death, the aliens discover who the person was close to has died. They project the person(s) image in the white light tunnel and the image waves you in deeper. If you CHOOSE to follow you can be trapped and sent to another incarnation of their choice. This shows the Empire does have an understanding of the spirit, but it attempts to short this out. The Light and Tunnel trap is a relatively new device, but one that will fail and they now know this. 'Go into the Light' say those who have had near death experiences. They are the salespersons chosen to advertise this alien venture. NEVER enter that light. Go up, left, back, right or anywhere but there. The mass media exposure of the Light and Tunnel trap (seen in the film 'Ghost', where the hero willingly enters the glittering trap) is to try to get people to buy the destination."



John Lash, a researcher of the ancient gnostic texts found in the library of Nag Hammadi, Egypt, writes, "A close reading of these arcane materials shows that Gnostics were deeply concerned with alien intrusion into human affairs. The entities they called Archons appear to be identical to the ET’s of modern Ufology. Both Grey and Reptilian types are explicitly described in the codices. I would estimate that up to one-fifth of the core material in the NHC concerns the Archons, their origin, methods and motives." These archontic entities invade the mind. Archon-tic is a good word because they are like tics and cause the victim to lose their mind or become a luna-tic.

The pilot for Star Trek The Original Series called The Cage featured short grey beings who used telepathy to mentally intrude and replace the Star Trek crews' thoughts and feelings in order to feed off them. Later in the first season the episode The Return of the Archons featured robed and hooded beings who ruled over a planet whose populace acted like mindless zombies. They shared a hive mind and the beings threatened the Star Trek crew to be absorbed into the collective Body in their absorption chambers. Spock called them soulless parts with no spirit working in unison for the tranquility of the Machine. The leader Landru like so many other movies and shows like The Wizard of Oz, The Truman Show and The Prisoner was projected from a machine in a control room. This seemed to be a precursor to the hive mind of the Borg collective.

EA Games partnered with a company named Demiurge (the Gnostic equivalent of Ea/Enki) to release Medal of Honor. EA also distributed a video game similar to chess called Archon: The Light And The Dark.

[loveoflife]

The followng excerpt is from this interview: http://aneaglessight.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/wingmakers-fifth-interview.html?m=1



Dr. Neruda: “Let me be clear, these beings—the Atlanteans—were infinite, meaning they did not have spacetime regulation. They lived after the body died. However, the Anunnaki created a set of planes or dimensions of experience that was the equivalent of a Holding Plane, that’s what the WingMakers called it, where they could be recycled.”

Sarah: “Recycled… as in reincarnation?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, exactly. This was the basis of reincarnation. It allowed the Anunnaki to recycle the Atlanteans. Some aspects of the implanted functionality were interdimensional, which is to say, it could assist in the delivery of the beings to the proper location within the Holding Planes of consciousness, and assist in their reincarnation back into a new vessel.”

Sarah: “How can everyone in this universe be a part of this deception? I don’t understand.”

Dr. Neruda: “Our entire universe is created. I’m not saying it is the universe. I’m saying that what we call the universe, as far as we can observe, is part of the hologram implanted within our consciousness framework and human interface. Our mind consciousness established the spatial-temporal relationships of everything we see, and as I said, this is part of our program. And this includes the universe.

[greybeard]

With respect souls can not be recycled.
Souls being infinite for one reason---infinite means everywhere in time and place---also spoke of as non locatable as in, not in a specific place.
If you believe in non-duality---then that is normally spoken of as One without a second---my thought is. Only God is--there is only one soul.
Can God be captured?---considering there is no where He is not I doubt it.
Jesus said Look under any stone and you will find me there etc

Only a person can be programmed, yes I believe that, however most enlightened teachers will say you are not a person you are consiousness--the one consciousness--that consciousness can not be captured altered affected in any way.
The lower astral is very powerful cunning and all that but by believing in illusion you give power to it.
I sleep well, my mind at peace through the spiritual work which began with AA almost forty years ago.
The priority for me is removal of ignorance "enlightenment"
I read elsewhere on Avalon recently that Kundalini is perfect protection against Archons.
Might look for that

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

Here you go.
Im meeting you on your termsloveoflife.
You will note that it says take on the protection of the light.
I surrendered to the will of God a long time ago.
Best wishes
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=969889&viewfull=1#post969889

Re: Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

When Kundalini is raised from its dormant state, higher intelligence blossoms, and there are other effects as well. Gnostic sects such as the Ophites practiced the communal raising of Kundalini to produce an protective envelope against Archontic intrusion. In effect, they held Kundalini, the sexual-spiritual energy locked in the body structure, to be the main instrument of defense against the Archons. The Dialogue of the Savior, NHC III, 5 (85), contains this exchange:

Judas said, "Behold, The authorities (Archons) dwell above us, so it is they who will rule over us."
The savior said, "It is you who will rule over them. But only when you rid yourselves of jealousy, and take on the protection of the Light, and enter the nymphion (bridal chamber)."

**To me, this is key information....a critical key toward freedom

[loveoflife]

With respect souls can not be recycled.
Souls being infinite for one reason---infinite means everywhere in time and place---also spoke of as non locatable as in, not in a specific place.
If you believe in non-duality---then that is normally spoken of as One without a second---my thought is. Only God is--there is only one soul.
Can God be captured?---considering there is no where He is not I doubt it.
Jesus said Look under any stone and you will find me there etc

Only a person can be programmed, yes I believe that, however most enlightened teachers will say you are not a person you are consiousness--the one consciousness--that consciousness can not be captured altered affected in any way.
The lower astral is very powerful cunning and all that but by believing in illusion you give power to it.
I sleep well, my mind at peace through the spiritual work which began with AA almost forty years ago.
The priority for me is removal of ignorance "enlightenment"
I read elsewhere on Avalon recently that Kundalini is perfect protection against Archons.
Might look for that

Best wishes
Chris

That is according to your understanding.

From what you say it is apparent that you are unaware of the immensity of the deception and how the illusion is engineered and why. This information is obviously outside the area of your research and investigation, yet still you feel obliged to comment.

This information is not new its available in ancient Vedic and Summerian texts amonst others. Tptb decided to destroy all Gnostic texts in the many book burnings throughout history.

Again this is one of many overviews on this topic. http://aneaglessight.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/wingmakers-fifth-interview.html?m=1

If you read some of the links that i have posted you could do better than post uninformed opinions based on spiritual teachers or enlightened masters, many of whom advocate reincarnation as a means of spiritual evolution and progression.

Its crazy, considering we incarnate after a memory wipe and have to start all over again, what sort of sick joke is that.

Here we have another perspective on the same theme, slavery of the human species.

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[loveoflife]

Here you go.
Im meeting you on your termsloveoflife.
You will note that it says take on the protection of the light.
I surrendered to the will of God a long time ago.
Best wishes
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=969889&viewfull=1#post969889

Re: Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

When Kundalini is raised from its dormant state, higher intelligence blossoms, and there are other effects as well. Gnostic sects such as the Ophites practiced the communal raising of Kundalini to produce an protective envelope against Archontic intrusion. In effect, they held Kundalini, the sexual-spiritual energy locked in the body structure, to be the main instrument of defense against the Archons. The Dialogue of the Savior, NHC III, 5 (85), contains this exchange:

Judas said, "Behold, The authorities (Archons) dwell above us, so it is they who will rule over us."
The savior said, "It is you who will rule over them. But only when you rid yourselves of jealousy, and take on the protection of the Light, and enter the nymphion (bridal chamber)."

**To me, this is key information....a critical key toward freedom

Or just your belief system.

This is one of those topics like enlightenment, we will know when we get there, forewarned is forearmed. Do not put all your eggs in one basket, the deception is beyond imagining and has been in place for aeons. Though now at this special epoch sovereign awakening and empowerment is possible, that is if you want it.

[greybeard]

With respect I have had my eggs in many baskets and read much regarding how the human race is controlled through media and music.
I know why gangster rap was introduced.
Fear and violence, wars started by the "Elite" the Illuminate--those who control the money--yes its everywhere--however through moving towards enlightenment this can be overcome. Enlightened teachers do not promote reincarnation quite the opposite-- they promote escape from this through waking to your True self.
You can not fight Archon's, fighting is the same energy.
Unconditional love they cant stand.
Awakening to your True nature is the answer to all the misery of this world.

Wishing you well
Chris

[Deega]

Thanks Ray, as you know, all the ''Sticky Book'' on the market has to be identified as ''Fiction'', no Editor would be willing to print difficult subject like this one! Editors don't like to take risks on sticky matter.

My mind is opened up to new things, unknown history, trying to learn what hard working people come up with. As to all your questions and remarks, they should be asked to the authors, they would surely have better answers.
Deega, I certainly did not come to my conclusion just because the book was marked as fiction... because I did not even know that. I am therefore even more surprised that you posted this as 'evidence' for a reincarnation trap!...you must therefore believe that the book is fact... ??

If that is not the case then I find it rather disconcerting that you are unable to come to your own conclusion on a book which has so many inconsistencies with reality as we know it... even at a mundane physical level.

And why would I want to pose these questions and remarks to the author... do you honestly believe he will admit that his book is fiction... when he probably wrote it for the sole purpose of making money out of ignorant gullible people?

Take care
Ray

Thanks Ray, I believe that hard working people who lived different experiences out of the ordinary are too often discredited because it doesn’t stand with the boundary of what one accept as factual, and I guess that is in line with one culture, schooling, etc.

Do I believe the book is fact? The story is quite amazing, impressed by it, could have happened to many of us, but it didn’t! What I believe is that we are learning every second, that the world is an ever changing thing!, so my beliefs are anchored on the pleasure of seeing things differently.

Yes, as we are to often, inconsistency is part of every people life, so, the authors aren’t perfect as you would wished them be.

Don’t you work to earn a living for your family?, most if not all of us do, need to have money to keep on going in life, why would it be different for authors who wrote ‘’sticky’’ subjects as ET?

Take care!

[loveoflife]

With respect I have had my eggs in many baskets and read much regarding how the human race is controlled through media and music.
I know why gangster rap was introduced.
Fear and violence, wars started by the "Elite" the Illuminate--those who control the money--yes its everywhere--however through moving towards enlightenment this can be overcome. Enlightened teachers do not promote reincarnation quite the opposite-- they promote escape from this through waking to your True self.
You can not fight Archon's, fighting is the same energy.
Unconditional love they cant stand.
Awakening to your True nature is the answer to all the misery of this world.

Wishing you well
Chris

I agree with what you say. There is more, I just see a bigger picture and i am aware of a grand deception which even enlightenment can be a part of. We are functioning in a programmed illusory reality based on a duality that causes separation.


The information on this thread is a small part of huge connected picture that cannot be described due to the inadequacies and compartmental nature of 3D communication.

For all i know you can see it also, or maybe you have one angle of perception and i another.

For yourself there could be no reincarnation trap because you have a degree of self realisation. There is a majority though who are grossly ignorant and will fall for whatever deception is dealt them.

We are still to a degree deluded just in a process of coming out of it, though i can only speak for myself.


“We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them”

[Wind]

Loveoflife, no disrespect meant, but the gnostics got it wrong. There is no demiurge who is in control, God is but he is not evil. The theory about evil creator is one twisted belief system if I've ever heard one. We are here here on Earth to learn, but it is true that humanity has been guided towards negative ways and that has created a lot of unnecessary suffering and sorrow. So many people are now awakening and the darkness is starting to fade away, for too long it has tried to control humanity thrrough ignorance and fear. There are major benevolent divine powers who are assisting us in this process, make no mistake about it. For me this is a fact, because I've actually experienced both sides of the coin.

[Rich]

The jnani knows he is the Self and that nothing, neither his body nor anything else, exists but the Self. ~Ramana

[Finefeather]

Don’t you work to earn a living for your family?, most if not all of us do, need to have money to keep on going in life, why would it be different for authors who wrote ‘’sticky’’ subjects as ET?

So what you are saying is that people must support someone who writes books which mislead people just because he has a family to feed?

"I have a great imagination and a devious mind... let me make some money out of the ignorant"

[loveoflife]

We are like blind men trying to describe an elephant and we are arguing and disagreeing claiming the part we are touching is the accurate description, instead of putting the descriptions together to try and understand the whole.

[loveoflife]

Loveoflife, no disrespect meant, but the gnostics got it wrong. There is no demiurge who is in control, God is but he is not evil. The theory about evil creator is one twisted belief system if I've ever heard one. We are here here on Earth to learn, but it is true that humanity has been guided towards negative ways and that has created a lot of unnecessary suffering and sorrow. So many people are now awakening and the darkness is starting to fade away, for too long it has tried to control humanity thrrough ignorance and fear. There are major benevolent divine powers who are assisting us in this process, make no mistake about it. For me this is a fact, because I've actually experienced both sides of the coin.


Whats it like to be right?

Isnt it strange how they were persecuted into obscurity, their books burnt, and killed for heresy by the church.

[darthtoaster]

Hi Chris. Love the words. As an input here, I have been where loveoflife is. The Lloyd Pye video is one of my favorites. Everything You Know is Wrong. Still. I had the God shock experience back in 2003. Interestingly, it was under false pretenses. But that doesn't matter to the mind/heart system apparently. Only that one truly embraces love. And it was just a few days ago I had another experience. I realized. I was not expecting it. Complete with a little rainbow :)

There is frustration for an individual who has come to terms with the system and the fact that we reincarnate within it, one way or the other. It is felt that this forced cycle, as well as the production of "new souls" to fill out an ever burgeoning population, is the product of a malevolent force and that it is controlled by the same and / or additional malevolent forces. The real situation is that the system is autonomous, neutral and not under malevolent control. Malevolent forces work around the system. Their inability to penetrateit is quite the aannoyance to them :) But to see all this is extremely difficult - one way is to actually get a literal tour of the facility. Another is to self realize via higher insight as you do. But to trust this insight? Very difficult.

The words you speak, to circumvent the entire cycle have been taught before. You know this of course. Others have had just as much difficulty getting the point across. And that's understandable. One cannot be told what the Matrix is - they must see it for them selves.

All that said, the words are never wasted IMO. And I applaud anyone who has studied and put in the deep introspection to realize the facade of reality. Push on my friends, keep going. The full picture is just over the horizon. And calming and investigating the power of the nature of love is an excellent direction to pursue in parallel ...

I've had psychic attacks over the last few days. There have also been Emails trying to convince me of one thing or another, from different individuals. There is quite the interest by adversarial forces in this little forum and its leader ... which tells me something. He's stirring up trouble for "them" ...

Good :) I support the stirring of trouble :) Peacefully of course ...

Much love to all, even my amateurish psychic foes. I must not be much of a problem for them. I apparently don't merit the attention of the big guns ... :)

[loveoflife]

Why would an infinite being ir infinite consciousness if you like be forced to perform austerities and spiritual disciplines life after life? Unless that infinitely powerful being believed themselves to be powerless, flawed, worthless and infinitely small, by being indoctrinated into that belief system from birth.

There is nothing small and weak when using words like eternal and infinite. Infinity has no boundaries.

[greybeard]

Loveoflife, no disrespect meant, but the gnostics got it wrong. There is no demiurge who is in control, God is but he is not evil. The theory about evil creator is one twisted belief system if I've ever heard one. We are here here on Earth to learn, but it is true that humanity has been guided towards negative ways and that has created a lot of unnecessary suffering and sorrow. So many people are now awakening and the darkness is starting to fade away, for too long it has tried to control humanity thrrough ignorance and fear. There are major benevolent divine powers who are assisting us in this process, make no mistake about it. For me this is a fact, because I've actually experienced both sides of the coin.


Whats it like to be right?

Isnt it strange how they were persecuted into obscurity, their books burnt, and killed for heresy by the church.

loveoflife
So was everyone else who appeared to challenge the church.
Gurus in India who suddenly self realised and shouted out "I am the totality all of it" got stoned to death.
Jesus crucified for saying among other things "The Father and I are One--Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within-- be still and know that I am God"

Churches wanted you dependent on a power out there---while installing fear--you will be judged when you die you will be sent to hell if you dont do what we say.
You could almost substitute the story about "The Reincarnation trap" be afraid.
If you reincarnated here its because the Archons did it to you--oh yeah--That means every single person here is on earth due to the reincarnation trap.
You me, everyone. I don't believe that for a moment.
I can only suggest be wary of anything or anyone that promotes fear or control
Miss information, horror stories promote fear--the bogey man will get you.
What you truly are can not be hurt

Now we are in agreement on quite a few things
I prefer to focus on the cure so to speak rather than the problem.

The cure simply is find your True self within.

I agree that you have to be careful who you listen to a far as enlightenment goes.
As I said else where Tim in his thread opening post sums up as in Enlightenment a direct succinct account of what occurs.
Please check it out--worth a look.

Best wishes
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[greybeard]

Why would an infinite being ir infinite consciousness if you like be forced to perform austerities and spiritual disciplines life after life? Unless that infinitely powerful being believed themselves to be powerless, flawed, worthless and infinitely small, by being indoctrinated into that belief system from birth.

There is nothing small and weak when using words like eternal and infinite. Infinity has no boundaries.

I agree totally with this loveoflife.
Yes we are indoctrinated --I escaped religion at the early age of four--five minutes in church with bleeding hearts and I was out of there.
If they crucified Jesus what would they do to a sinner like me.
Those were my thoughts-- I wanted no part of it.
Thankfully my parents were wise enough to let me be.

Mooji and others point to the Truth, they do not teach as such.
Teaching implies duality.
You are already Self, infinite, timeless, now---you just dont know it.
The Truth is within---not out there some where.
Mooji laughs at gurus who say you need more time, another life time--this practise or that--austerity.
Yes, helpful suggestions are made but no got to do

There is no harm meditating as in just be quiet and still.

Best wishes
Chris

[Rich]

There really is nothing outside of you - you're not really in physical reality.
Physical reality is within you, it's within your consciousness.
It's a concept that you are experiencing of yourself, from a certain perspective.

~Bashar

[Agape]

There's simple way reincarnation is explained in Vedic context , it's the way it was explained to me and probably every second kid in India .

There are 4 states of conscious experience we share in common , awakened state, dream state, deep sleep state ... and fourth, state of consciousness that can be known through contemplation , state of unchanging awareness .
It's essentially the same state people experience in deep sleep with the difference that 'samadhi' is conscious .
However , even in your deep sleep subtle awareness is present .. it was there when you were egg and/or a sperm . It was there when 'cosmic polarities' merged together and you've emerged from them as One , New Being ,

one Universal cycle came to its End before with its boundless options and dreams and new Day of Brahma began ,

and from the Egg of Brahma Vishnu arose in all his incarnations .. of whom you may be one .. before he starts maturing to form of immortal Sage ..


Perhaps we all believe what we can't prove quite yet but what we know from our experience , Life is super-conscious even on the tiniest level , it's intelligent and self-aware beyond our expectations .


Many people have special experiences on the verge of falling to sleep , for example .. even 'NDE's , close to death experiences . We are coming to profound realisations of reality perception often when facing the inevitable ..

deep sleep is like 'little death' , especially when we are exhausted .


When the time of this mortal body expires your 'quantum information' undergoes profound purification by facing the bare reality of its essence and existence .

Understanding the meaning of yourself at that time will set you free .



Till then .... :bearhug:

[loveoflife]

Loveoflife, no disrespect meant, but the gnostics got it wrong. There is no demiurge who is in control, God is but he is not evil. The theory about evil creator is one twisted belief system if I've ever heard one. We are here here on Earth to learn, but it is true that humanity has been guided towards negative ways and that has created a lot of unnecessary suffering and sorrow. So many people are now awakening and the darkness is starting to fade away, for too long it has tried to control humanity thrrough ignorance and fear. There are major benevolent divine powers who are assisting us in this process, make no mistake about it. For me this is a fact, because I've actually experienced both sides of the coin.




Whats it like to be right?

Isnt it strange how they were persecuted into obscurity, their books burnt, and killed for heresy by the church.

loveoflife
So was everyone else who appeared to challenge the church.
Gurus in India who suddenly self realised and shouted out "I am the totality all of it" got stoned to death.
Jesus crucified for saying among other things "The Father and I are One--Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within-- be still and know that I am God"

Churches wanted you dependent on a power out there---while installing fear--you will be judged when you die you will be sent to hell if you dont do what we say.
You could almost substitute the story about "The Reincarnation trap" be afraid.
If you reincarnated here its because the Archons did it to you--oh yeah--That means every single person here is on earth due to the reincarnation trap.
You me, everyone. I don't believe that for a moment.
I can only suggest be wary of anything or anyone that promotes fear or control
Miss information, horror stories promote fear--the bogey man will get you.
What you truly are can not be hurt

Now we are in agreement on quite a few things
I prefer to focus on the cure so to speak rather than the problem.

The cure simply is find your True self within.

I agree that you have to be careful who you listen to a far as enlightenment goes.
As I said else where Tim in his thread opening post sums up as in Enlightenment a direct succinct account of what occurs.
Please check it out--worth a look.

Best wishes
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

I am very familiar with enlightenment material, and read what many of the masters have to sat about it as well as my own experience and focus on the moment.

I do not find this reincarnation trap information fearful, i find it liberating, but then i am used to having my world turned upside down and inside out.

To those who find this info fearful, then it could be a wake up call to get out of your comfort zone, life is about taking risks playing safe only serves the status quo of domination and control.

It seems to me that its the fearful who accuse others of inciting fear. I embrace my fear, not deny it. Though tbh i may sometimes put it off for a while, after all im only human. :bigsmile:

[Deega]

Don’t you work to earn a living for your family?, most if not all of us do, need to have money to keep on going in life, why would it be different for authors who wrote ‘’sticky’’ subjects as ET?

So what you are saying is that people must support someone who writes books which mislead people just because he has a family to feed?

"I have a great imagination and a devious mind... let me make some money out of the ignorant"


Thanks, nobody say that you should support someone writing misleading stories as you say!

If you feel that these authors have devious mind, you're the one making qualification!, but who knows if they aren't right!, time and space will bring very beautiful things in life and it may be authors like these bringing it!

No disrespect here, if theses stories aren't enough for you, what do you like to believe on the Reincarnation Trap?

Unfortunately, this discussion may never end, words, phrases, mind is infinite, there will always be a way to present another side of the story!

Best to you!

[greybeard]

There's simple way reincarnation is explained in Vedic context , it's the way it was explained to me and probably every second kid in India .

There are 4 states of conscious experience we share in common , awakened state, dream state, deep sleep state ... and fourth, state of consciousness that can be known through contemplation , state of unchanging awareness .
It's essentially the same state people experience in deep sleep with the difference that 'samadhi' is conscious .
However , even in your deep sleep subtle awareness is present .. it was there when you were egg and/or a sperm . It was there when 'cosmic polarities' merged together and you've emerged from them as One , New Being ,

one Universal cycle came to its End before with its boundless options and dreams and new Day of Brahma began ,

and from the Egg of Brahma Vishnu arose in all his incarnations .. of whom you may be one .. before he starts maturing to form of immortal Sage ..


Perhaps we all believe what we can't prove quite yet but what we know from our experience , Life is super-conscious even on the tiniest level , it's intelligent and self-aware beyond our expectations .


Many people have special experiences on the verge of falling to sleep , for example .. even 'NDE's , close to death experiences . We are coming to profound realisations of reality perception often when facing the inevitable ..

deep sleep is like 'little death' , especially when we are exhausted .


When the time of this mortal body expires your 'quantum information' undergoes profound purification by facing the bare reality of its essence and existence .

Understanding the meaning of yourself at that time will set you free .



Till then .... :bearhug:

Hello Agape
While I got a lot from your post I did not get a reason for reincarnation out of it
Perhaps you could give the reason for reincarnation simply.
I did get how not to.
Love Chris

[darthtoaster]

Hello loveoflife. Excellent questions. You have presented the brick wall of paradox in my own words, for I have used the eternal and infinite adjectives before. Let me see if I can explain without the annoying details of my own travels so to speak.

Imagine if you will two computing machines. Advanced technology of course. The programming language would be strange to us. "Light based" programming, as close to analog as can be attained. Almost seamless

The first machine is a scanner. I have stated that this is a programmed reality. And for many people, this is a non starter. How do you program a soul? You don't. Its too complex, at least it was when this simulation was put together. But with this scanner one can read an existent or even pre-existent soul via the energy signature left behind. Basically from near the accretion disc of a black hole. Now, this scanned information is not a soul in itself. Its the information of what the soul is, its program. This scanning wouldn't be possible if the universe itself was not itself a program.

Now, because a soul can be scanned, it can then be modified, all except the core of the soul. Souls can even be overlayed, one upon another, creating a variant soul. All this would simply be nice to know information if it wasnt for the second computing machine - a holographic generator basically. If you have watched David Wilcox's portion of the Pete Peterson interview, David describes an experiment in Russia by which a holograph of a healthy strawberry is projected and used to repair a strawberry that had a growth inside it. Same principle. This holographic generator can take the scanned information and project it, bathing a biological being in a soul "field". (The earth is bathed in a field which accomplishes this, projecting souls onto fetuses for imprinting). The biological being, created just as Lloyd Pye says, kind of a scrap it together genetic splicing, takes on the attributes of the projection. A human is created.

Here's where the descriptors eternal and infinite enter the story. The souls who were replicated by the scanner and holographic projector were not operational at the time of sampling but the information of their makeup was retained in a definite and readable remnant energy signature. The being who was created however using that information begins as a mortal, because the biological aspect of it is mortal. This being must learn its true nature and in doing so, essentially energizes their soul field core programming which overwrites the programming of the biological, just like in the strawberry experiment. The biological then adjusts to the overwriting and becomes or at least begins a transition to becoming an energetic being. It takes a while for the DNA to adjust, DNA being the hardware aspect of the operating system of the body. If the body completes this process before dying, the being can even preclude death, simply dematerializing at some point, with materialization capability as well. They have completed ascension. However, if a being dies who has achieved the overwrite, after death they remain energetic, and are a truly independent being, ascended as well. They no longer need the support of the database to exist. They are fully capable of drawing on the subtle energy which permeates the universe to exist. They are free. No more reincarnation.

I've ask you to imagine if you will this system I've described. I'm not saying its fact, I'm describing something here which you can compare to the excellent information you have already amassed and see if it helps answer questions. What should be apparent though is this - IF what I propose is true, then the only way out of the system for any given soul is only three options - after a mortal death, a being either returns to the system for immersion in it, remains outside it in a low energy state (with characteristics which exactly match our ghost phenomenon) or ... there is a third way ... a request to be deactivated. Where a biological can suicide, a soul can request euthanasia, and there is a form of AI within the database itself that will honor this. However, upon deactivatjon, it wipes the soul and ques it up for activation again - a new start. So ultimately, the only true escape is ascension.

Again, what I propose is for consideration. The question naturally arises - who did the sampling and built the database? It was a small team from an advanced race long ago. This team of geneticists designed the biological organism to house the souls and to give it a true humanoid appearance, integrated their own DNA into the design. They never suspected what that would do. What it did was weaken them, immensely. Every individual within the universe samples and exists supported by the subtle energy I mentioned earlier. The higher universe functions on a node system meaning every being has a specific power node upon which they have an ample supply of energy. It is postulated that this design aspect is to prevent any entity being able to overwhelm another. In other words, every being is equally powerful. When the scientists integrated their own DNA into their creations, as the human population grew, billions of souls were drawing on only 37 power nodes. The mortal life span dropped from 1200 years to about 10% of that amount and the scientists themselves could no longer even materialize. In fact it is their experiment which allowed the discovery of the discrete nodes associated with individuals.

Humans eventually destroyed themselves in a nuclear conflct. On our timeline that would have occurred in the fall of 2012. You may not be up to date on some of my previous posts. What exactly are we? I'll finish the story. Once the apocalyptic event had taken place, there were over 23 billion human souls adrift, low energy state, ghostlike existences, partially supported by their database and partially by their energy node (which as mentioned were a shared set of 37 nodes). The 37 genetic scientists who created them, with the power drain of living souls removed, were at least able to rematerializes. Outside groups of scientists demonstrated that if the humans reintegrated with their creators, whoever's DNA they held at their core, that the creators would be restored to full capability. Don't ask me how that was done - it has something to do with an interface or bridge by which the creators "jacked in" to the database and allowed the reprojection of the human souls onto themselves, probably using the holographic projections as demonstrated here with the strawberry. The main problem is that the humans would not willingly go back to their creators because they viewed them as evil. A deal was brokered and here were the terms - if the creators were to immerse themselves in a realistic simulation which mirrored the misery the humans had endured, and were genuinely repentent at the completion of it (as measured by a sort of advanced polygraph machine), the humans would reintegrate. It was a good deal for them - in assimilation, they did not lose their awareness - each simply perceived that they had become vastly more aware, all the cores overlayed back upon the origin core.

And that's where we come in. We are the simulation. The process has been completed and we are off the script. Interestingly we did not destroy ourselves. It was supposed to happen. Perhaps ... God? :) Who knows ... ? But a few of us have achieved self awareness. We are true life, grown out of a computer simulation.

[Agape]

Hello Agape
While I got a lot from your post I did not get a reason for reincarnation out of it
Perhaps you could give the reason for reincarnation simply.
I did get how not to.
Love Chris

Hello Chris,

in most simple terms ... not that I want to be brute :ROFL: ...there's no death .

There's a transformation of consciousness and intention you choose for each 'incarnation' ,
your reason to be here , in this way and form , fulfils itself at some point . The way I saw it is our individual lives are somewhat like kamikaze missions or dives under water ,
no matter how much other time and activities we spend here , we came here like diver comes for a pearl , our 'pearl' is a purpose we hope /foresaw to be fulfilled .

The trap is a trap for those who get trapped ... in their immediate and others, respectively purposes here .

Once out of here , you're on your own .. with clear head , or that is how it should be in my opinion .

You can well send your 'quantum information' to another Star . Or you may use it to continue 'fixing things' here but the trap is , things get never fixed .



:flower:

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[greybeard]

Thanks cryptoguru--The Out breath and the in breath of God.
God being the "Soul" sole Creator I find the reincarnation trap extremely difficult to believe.
No problem believing that in duality we have dark forces controlling many things, the essentials Food,Energy,Pharmaceuticals, Media, Money, possibly more.

Chris

Ps I am very optimistic--so many are wakening up to what is going on but even more importantly consciousness is rising and that is the ultimate answer/solution.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[greybeard]

Thanks Chris. These words are from the Bhagwad Gita and though they have great meaning, I do not subscribe to the existence of an entity that people may describe as God.

If one reads in between the lines all the holy books and the sentences, one soon realizes the God that we seek is within us not outside. Only that most of us have not discovered it, sent a friend request and connected with it.... :-)


Thanks cryptoguru--The Out breath and the in breath of God.
God being the "Soul" sole Creator I find the reincarnation trap extremely difficult to believe.
No problem believing that in duality we have dark forces controlling many things, the essentials Food,Energy,Pharmaceuticals, Media, Money, possibly more.

Chris

Agreed
The population of that time were not of a level of consciousness that they could handle the Ultimate Truth.
It suited whoever to keep people dependent on an exterior power--God
For my money there is only "One without a second" I am that.
love Chris

[Joe Akulis]

"... then it will have to come back again when creation takes place the next time."

I don't know about you, but even if I have gotten all my mukti out already, if the next universe is as cool as this one, I'll be jumping in to check it out, baby.

[Jhonie]

I've read thru most of this thread and what I see are a lot of words. I am thinking of something David Icke said about 'repeaters'. Are we just repeating what someone else said? Do we just believe because it is written down on paper? What do you really know for yourself? Stop repeating what others say, and talk about what you 'really' know.

[Finefeather]

I've read thru most of this thread and what I see are a lot of words. I am thinking of something David Icke said about 'repeaters'. Are we just repeating what someone else said? Do we just believe because it is written down on paper? What do you really know for yourself? Stop repeating what others say, and talk about what you 'really' know.
Now this is some really good advice. Well said .

The trouble is that just about everyone on Avalon is a god dam expert and which expert should we believe? :)

[Joe Akulis]

Ray, you're killing me. Thank you for the permagrin. :-)

[greybeard]

off topic
An Expert is "A has been drip under pressure"
Chris

[Finefeather]

I have been researching and seeking life's mystery in this life for around 50 years.

I have been personally involved in all religions, all philosophies, mystical cults, seance rooms, drug taking, meditations for years, Out of body practice... you name it I'v been there and tried them all... all to lay my hands on the holy grail of truth.

During every one of these experiences I was convinced I was now the expert... now I knew it all..until I found the next one and again my big ego would spur me on to great heights of grandeur... always the ego was in charge.

Now... each day I look back and realise the vast amounts of experience I have accumulated throughout my current life... and you know what... I'm waiting for the next thing to come along...why?

Because today and every day of my life I realise just how little I know... how much I still need to make me truly grasp truth... because truth cannot be learned from a book or from someone else's ramblings and fiction... truth can only come from our life's experiences and from that which we have been able to re-remember from our extensive past life.

No one... except those... who we will never even recognize, even if they stood next to us and told us the truth... knows quite where they are in their consciousness growth and their development.

Reincarnation is not a scheme worked out by some dark system of Archons, or whatever some want to believe, which traps us into some cycle...

It is a method of life which is necessary for us to have as much time as we like... to grow our consciousness and refine our characters and attitudes... which will allow us to access and join those in the next higher kingdom of life where unity and love and brotherhood is the way.

If we only had one life, not one of us would even come close to the refinement of vibration we need to enter this beautiful world... waiting for each one of us.

We have each... with no exceptions had thousands of incarnations up to this time...since we first incarnated as humans into early ape men some 20 million years ago.

No one can even come close to harming us when we complete each life... because there are natural laws which prevent this... there are also great bands of the most beautiful Beings called Augoeides (Light Beings) who guard and assist us at death of the body.

It is true that some of us may get stuck in the lower emotional(astral) planes... and it is true that some may have a torrid time due to their imaginations and fear... but even in these cases there are people who assist these who need help.

I have been fortunate in my life during out of body practice to be called on to assist many a 'soul' who was confused or in fear, or stuck, in these dark wet astral planes... and I would like to give you just one such account.

Recently, during the Libyan war I was able to assist 3 young children from the bombed ruins of a block of homes. They came out from under some stairs amongst the rubble and had no idea they were actually 'killed' and we helped them to move into the higher emotional world where we all go immediately after each life to join our family... our clan from where we come.

Life is the most beautiful thing in existence because existence is all there is... those forces who attempt to make our lives a hell are certainly alive and well... but the only thing that gives them power is our own fear and ignorance of life.

Those who live their lives in service to others and give unconditionally love to all mankind cannot be reached by the dark brothers because their only field of strength is the lower areas of the emotional(astral) world.

Those who live lives of greed, the murderers and the power hungry, those who insist on following the path of destruction of life... all are our brothers who seek help even if they themselves cannot come to terms with it yet... they are the ones who have spent the most amount of lives... in reincarnating to attempt to one day turn their lives into lives of love for man.

The quickest way to finish the cycle of reincarnation is up to each one of us and no one but ourselves is responsible for the amount of times which we will need to return...

No one is free unless you free yourself

Take care and my love.
Ray

[Gurudatt]

Love and peace

[greybeard]

Ray there is a lot to be said for experience such as you shared.
With this comes wisdom and discernment.

Basically there is only fear or love.
Anything that promotes fear does not exist according to ACIM if I remember correctly.

I keep repeating, smiling, In who's interest is it to install fear, promote anything that creates fear, why those who feed on the energy of fear.
It does not matter whether the seeming cause of fear is real or just a terror story produced to cause fear--the end result is people get frightened.

I have experienced extreme terror--first as a four year old child--seeing chariots of fire in the sky good angels fighting the dark, a waking nightmare night after night eyes closed eyes open no difference.
I asked God for help, it came instantly.

Then in my late twenties delirium tremors withdrawing from alcohol.
I again asked for help, a series of coincidences took me to AA --A Power greater than myself saved my life.
I have the greatest faith in God---I now know that I am praying to Self.

The reason I share all this is, not everyone can resist fear, as in stories that are designed to provoke fear.
Many are weak and vulnerable to lower astral influence.
I was.

Chris

[Finefeather]

Many are weak and vulnerable to lower astral influence.

All weakness and vulnerability to lower astral influence comes from lack of knowledge of the nature of this world.

Very few people actually have astral entity attacks contrary to what many claim.
Most terror and fear comes from telepathic influence from right here on this physical plane.

Those who abuse substances like drugs and alcohol and rituals are the exception... They are the most vulnerable simply because these practices can cause a loosening of the emotional and mental envelopes from the physical body which can allow dark entities to influence or even possess the body.

Every case is different of course so I am just giving a general view based on my experience... I have helped many people in the astral and in the physical with entity molestation.

Calling on your God for help is more strange than most who believe in a god will actually know.
In reality, while we are incarnate we each have 1 Augoeides who is our guardian throughout our millions of years of incarnations.
This Being is our God while we are in our early stages of consciousness growth.

This Being however is not able to reach down into lower astral worlds because of it's high vibration, so we are kind of left to our own devises until we get the message from those in the physical that certain practices can cause severe psychological problems.

In some cases thus, and when it is warranted more advanced humans who are in the higher astral planes can assist or they can send out a call to someone in a physical body, with the nohow, to assist someone who is experiencing entity molestation.

Just some info for interest.
Ray

[darthtoaster]

There is some excellent advice that has been around for a while - Do not resist an evil person.

Grinning here. I'm fighting every impulse to counter, point for point, false words and ideas. Instead, I will state simple things whichshould illustrate some points.

I will begin with Bill Ryan. Bill has publically stated for the record that black magic exists and that he has been a target of said magic. I have as well. There are many others who have experienced such attacks. Why? What is it that leads to some people being targeted and others not? Is it drug use, participation in ritual practice, or mental and emotional instability? No. There are plenty of drug users who are blissfully and naively high and unbothered by anything. There are people who practice various rituals who do not turn into serial killers like David Berkowitz (who did participate in rituals). There are plenty of people with mental illness who have no outside interference. It is their mind they wrestle with.

Let us understand what we're dealing with. First, if a person is using the phrase "entity molestation" such as Ray did, that particular phrase has been specifically designed to associate the word molestation with what is actually a psychic attack. That is a nasty trick. The effect is obvious - it makes people not want to approach the subject, it drives a conversation in desired dire tions or kills it outright. A similar thing was done to our soldiers and George Carlin did an entire piece on this - over the span of decades and many wars, "shell shock" became more and more clinical and depersonalized, by which now it is "post traumatic stress disorder". These semantic games are tools of the trade when dealing with what are literal agents of the system. The general effect when dealing with those subject to psychic attacks is to subliminally associate that person with a sexual crime - molestation. Again, that's a nasty trick.

What are we talking about here regarding interference in peoples lives by outside, malevolent entities? Are we talking about people who "deserved it" because of drug use, ritual or mental and emotional weakness? No, in many cases they earned it by doing their best to tell the truth of the matter to the best of their ability, like Bill, Kerry, myself here recently and to others over the past few years. Additionally, we are then to believe, again according to Ray, and I quote - "It is true that some of us may get stuck in the lower emotional(astral) planes... and it is true that some may have a torrid time due to their imaginations and fear..."

The purposes behind the, again carefully chosen words, are to associate difficult times due to outside influence with personal "imagination and fear". Yet, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are two of the most courageous individuals on this planet. Steven Greer and associates were infected with weaponized cancer (three close associates in the same month, the odds are astronomically against this), Phil Schneider was found strangled with his own catheter after a speaking tour in the west about his dealings with aliens (it was ruled a suicide if you can believe that), Lloyd Pye - dead of cancer. The list goes on.

Clearly, it is not imagination and fear which leads to psychic attacks, but personal courage and proximity to the truth of the matter, and I would especially like to point out to loveoflife who began this thread if I'm not mistaken, it is not your imagination nor some emotional shortcoming on your part which has brought difficulty into your life - rather, based on the clear, actual evidence of the matter, it is likely you personally are extremely close to a very important personal truth.

In my case, coincident with my beginning to post here, my lifestyle was attacked (my truck began doing bizarre things, lights coming on on their own for example) costing me over $2500 so far, I posted a picture of my dog who then went through three days of vomiting and uncontrolled diarrhea for no apparent reason at all, and I would awake each morning feeling as though I had just fought ten rounds with a world class fighter. I was pumelled. I could feel the energy around me, I could feel it probing looking for entry and I did what I knew I should do - I verbalized "I love you". And I meant it. They know not what they do. Just following pprogramming.

This is important stuff. I believe it is vital to not allow various agents of the system to marginalize those who bravely venture forward despite risk to themselves. That, in my opinion, is true courage.

[darthtoaster]

A programmed existence - evidence.

Tom Campbell, a physicist, has conducted personal experiments and wrote three books on his theory of everything (My Big TOE). He has given reasonable evidence that we live in a digital existence. He has also experiencedthe phenomena that Chris has spoken of here by way of meditation. This man should not be easily disregarded.

https://youtu.be/RQl802I9gRw

Below is an excellent article by Jim Elvidge dealing with the topic.

http://www.theuniversesolved.com/a_singularity.htm

Here is an excellent paper by which Nick Bostrom deals with the topic.

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

Finally, my website.

www.programmedreality.com

Here is the reason for speaking of these things. I speak of my actual experiences, my personal out of body travels aided by my family, my actual viewing of various aspects of the system and the reason is simple - this reality changes when individuals of sufficient number begin to influence the directions we take by asserting their loving influence by way of unconditional love. The premise, which I believe to be accurate, is that if people understood the idea behind "They know not what they do" and grasp the idea that the masses and the seemingly psychopathic controllers are still stuck in their programmed roles, then they have rational basis for forgiving easily and growing this movement of peace which is the only logical way the fighting and underlying manipulation will cease.

We are often presented with ideas to consider - some advocating peace and others who will either tell us nothing is wrong or that we must fight evil with what is eessentially evil. There is something wrong, there is a loving way to move humanity in a different direction and ultimately it is up to each of us to be the change we wish to see. To do that we need to understand there actually needs to be change.

Individuals who raise their level of consciousness, an idea strongly promoted by Tom Campbell, is this way.

[Rich]

Darthtoaster, the thing is that your beliefs automatically create your reality to reflect them,
that's what most people don't realize because they haven't looked at their mind yet.
So everything that happens to you is made of your own energy, here is an interesting video that explains it:

HOwaFFx5e4U

[Wind]

Even Buddha and Jesus were tested by the Mara, but they overcame the temptations (http://www.intu.org/lotus_4.html).

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The Three Temptations Of Jesus and Buddha

"There are three things that prevent us from seeing the truth - our desires, our fears, and our opinions. This universal truth is beyond religion, beyond psychology, and beyond culture. No matter where we live, what we believe, or what time period we are living in, we are subject to these same limitations of the mind. Is it any wonder that nearly every spiritual discipline addresses these issues?

Jesus and Buddha both illustrated this principle in their lives. Jesus underwent three temptations in the wilderness just before his baptism, and Buddha underwent the same temptations just before achieving enlightenment. At first glance, or, should we say, from the standpoint of the intellect, the two accounts do not resemble each other at all, except that there were three events in each. If, however, we use the principle of fear, desire, and opinion as an overlay, the similarities between the two patterns begin to emerge.

First, we have to understand the purpose behind these two stories. For both Jesus and Buddha, the time leading up to their spiritual experiences, the Baptism and the Enlightenment, was a time of preparation and trial. Each had to undergo a series of tests, three in number, before he could proceed.

It is useless, in a spiritual sense, for us to believe that these tests were strictly actual, physical events and to ignore their deeper meanings. These three experiences that Jesus and Buddha went through showed us, in a spiritual sense, what we all must go through in our journey toward the realization of God.

The tempter in the wilderness is the tempter within us - our lusts, our fears, and our sense of the way things should be. Lust manifested as the desire for food, in Jesus' case, and the desire for sex in Buddha's. Both manifestations are appetites of the body, which every spiritual disciple must master first.

The next temptation was fear. The devil placed Jesus on a precipice, and an army attacked Buddha. Both overcame their fear by knowing the truth - that the real Self cannot be harmed. Buddha's non-resistance turned the enemy's arrows into blossoms; Jesus realized that the desire to prove the truth is a form of resistance in itself. Both refused to give life to the apparent evil, and by so doing denied its existence. One cannot have fear and practice non-resistance.

The third temptation is duty, obligation, and the urge to make the world conform to our ideas of how it should be. The devil offered Jesus rulership over all the kingdoms of the world. Mara exhorted Buddha to take up his place as his father's heir to the throne. This is the classic choice faced by everyone on every level when a degree of mastery has been attained. We want to set things right. After all, who could be better for the job?

We want to impose our will upon the world and to rule it. In the simplest sense, it is our ideas, our concepts of things, that hold sway over us and not our deepest knowing, which is of God. The external mind always thinks that it knows best. The higher mind is in touch with God and knows what is needed, what is possible, and what is.

The greatest battle for the spiritual aspirant is between his conscious mind or intellect, and his intuitive mind, the gateway of wisdom. It has always been this way. The biggest obstacle to truth is the body of opinions that we have built up over the course of a lifetime. The more opinions we have, the harder it is to let go of them. Unless we do let go, we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, which is Truth. The Truth is almost never what we want it to be, because as long as we want it to be anything at all, we are coming from the ego's desire to make the world into a reflection of ourselves.

The world has no feeling whatsoever for our ego. What we think about the world has no effect upon it. This is the greatest frustration for the ego - wanting power, it knows instinctively that it has none. Therefore, to set itself up as a ruler, though attractive as an idea, is nonetheless impossible, because rulership cannot be effected from the standpoint of believing in ourselves as an entity separate from the Whole."

[darthtoaster]

EmEx, I understand what you're getting at. I am well aware of thought entities sometimes called negative thought entities, in the east called tulpas. These can actually take on bodily form. They can also be gently and kindly reabsorbed by their creator.

But some clarification is required here. When I refer to psychic attacks I am being specific - there are teams of highly psychic humans working for powerful group(s) on this planet who monitor places just like this forum and target certain individuals. All they need is a focus - like a picture.

I want to also point out the following. At this moment there is a tiny premature child being born with a heart defect which will ultimately kill it, and devaste her parents. There is a child in a refugee camp who will breathe its last tonight because of starvation. There is a political activist in a South American country, in a prison on false charges, and that person will die tonight in extreme pain after having been tortured for hours. I could go on and on.

My belief set did not nor could it have created these actual, horrid, events. This is a quantized reality. That has been essentially scientifically proven. What that means is that each consciousness is a computational machine, and the reality fills in as the timeline progresses. It fills in based on the input of each individual computational entity. No single individual creates this entire reality - this reality is a consensus. Additionally, one person's reality may infringe upon another. David Berkowitz for example - David was part of a cultic team that murdered people in the New York area. He was the only one convicted. The targets were young couples, caught out in a vulnerable situation. If we are to believe that we create our reality, in its entirety, then we are to believe that these unfortunate couples died as a matter of their own creation. The baby died of a heart defect of its own making. The child who starves tonight did that to herself.

That is simply not the way it is. I'm sorry, I wish I had better news. The good news in the situation is that if a given individual raises their level of consciousness, they can now change reality for others. There are numerous accounts of individuals, typically labeled as angels (which is inaccurate) accomplishing miraculous events on behalf of beings on this level. But I will tell you this - they are outnumbered, they are not omnipresent nor or they omniscient and they do the best they can. They are interdimensional. These individuals were once right where we and what they did was simple - they raised their level of consciousness. The more beings we put up there on that level, the weaker the ruling group of this planet becomes, and this is exactly why they employ teams of highly psychic individuals carrying out these attacks, its why they have hit squads, control banking systems, employ mafia tactics and its why they have control - they are ruthless.

I'm not trying to be a pain here. I'm also disengaging. But for the record, for five years now I have watched individuals sabotage the dispersal and disclosure of good information that could actually help people. It has become discouraging that they are so effective. I just left a forum that was overrun by a team of people who worked around the clock to discredit some credible people who were giving highly accurate information regarding 9-11. That too is an event which I did not create with my belief system, nor did you. But it was created. The true choice we have is how we react. The follow on reality however is, again, a consensus. Just the way it is.

Good evening everyone. I will good things and profitable spiritual experiences on all of us. There is a certain aspect of truth in willing something into existence.

[Finefeather]

Hi darthtoaster
It is my opinion... and that's all... that there are a few basic things which you are either unaware of or that you are not considering in your posts.

We have each had thousands of incarnations starting as barbaric, no better than animals, with very little knowledge other than instincts brought from our years in the animal kingdom.

During these many past lives we have done the most horrendously 'evil' things...also good of course... and everything we have done in our past is part of our karma... or what we have sowed... or what we have caused.

Karma is a law of life and it means that whatever we cause has some effect on us and on those around us. Bad things that we do to others are our bad karma... and good things we have done to others is our good karma.
This is also known as sowing... we sow bad deeds or good deeds.

Every good or bad sowing, by anyone, demands good or bad reaping... this is a Cosmic law of cause and effect... we cannot escape it... and no one but ourselves have caused it... and no one but ourselves will be 'rewarded' for it.

This 'reward' or consequence of our actions is called reaping and everyone incarnate has something to reap... be it good or bad.

Now here is the interesting part:

When we incarnate we have no idea what we came to reap because if we did then it would be against the law of self determination... If you were told what you must be good at it would be like giving you the answers to a test.
So everyone who goes through some major disability or some really cool good life is getting what he/she deserves. But be careful there are many strange things been played out in peoples lives, so we should not think it's as simple as that.

There is not one person who experiences what they do who does not need to go through that experience for one or another reason... and the irony of it is that the people who are going through a tough life hardly ever can accept that it is their own doing.

If one person injures another... it is one person performing bad sowing... and the other reaping bad sowing... from a previous life... or even just from moments ago.

When we are been hurt or been molested, or whatever bad things happen to us... it is ALL the result of our own doing... that is the law.

And when we are living a good live and everything seems to be going our way... it is a result of our own doing... that is the law.

And if we think that's a bad law then we are just trying to avoid what we got up to in our past lives.

And that is the reason for thousands of incarnations... as we 'pay' for all our errors... and become the beautiful Being who will one day achieve the refinement to move into the world(kingdom) of unity and unconditional love.

This kingdom is what Buddha and Christ came to inform us about...

Take care
Ray

[Finefeather]

Just one more little thing I thought of...:)

Humans have got no idea just how much bad karma they have to settle to refine their vibrations to allow entry into the next higher kingdom.

Even Saints have a long way to go.

We choose many incarnations because it is just not possible to clear our millions of years of barbaric ways in a short time.

There is no rush... we are all in it together... but knowing this might urge us to greater heights of true love and unity among one another.

Ray

[Wind]

We learn through hardships, the most beautiful diamonds are formed in huge pressure and intense heat, most importantly forgiveness heals.

[Rich]

Yes I think forgiveness takes us out of karma, otherwise there would be no end ever.
So I would say we only have to experience the karma of our surpressed (unconscious) energy (emotions) that we carry around.

[loveoflife]

Hello loveoflife. Excellent questions. You have presented the brick wall of paradox in my own words, for I have used the eternal and infinite adjectives before. Let me see if I can explain without the annoying details of my own travels so to speak.

Imagine if you will two computing machines. Advanced technology of course. The programming language would be strange to us. "Light based" programming, as close to analog as can be attained. Almost seamless

The first machine is a scanner. I have stated that this is a programmed reality. And for many people, this is a non starter. How do you program a soul? You don't. Its too complex, at least it was when this simulation was put together. But with this scanner one can read an existent or even pre-existent soul via the energy signature left behind. Basically from near the accretion disc of a black hole. Now, this scanned information is not a soul in itself. Its the information of what the soul is, its program. This scanning wouldn't be possible if the universe itself was not itself a program.

Now, because a soul can be scanned, it can then be modified, all except the core of the soul. Souls can even be overlayed, one upon another, creating a variant soul. All this would simply be nice to know information if it wasnt for the second computing machine - a holographic generator basically. If you have watched David Wilcox's portion of the Pete Peterson interview, David describes an experiment in Russia by which a holograph of a healthy strawberry is projected and used to repair a strawberry that had a growth inside it. Same principle. This holographic generator can take the scanned information and project it, bathing a biological being in a soul "field". (The earth is bathed in a field which accomplishes this, projecting souls onto fetuses for imprinting). The biological being, created just as Lloyd Pye says, kind of a scrap it together genetic splicing, takes on the attributes of the projection. A human is created.

Here's where the descriptors eternal and infinite enter the story. The souls who were replicated by the scanner and holographic projector were not operational at the time of sampling but the information of their makeup was retained in a definite and readable remnant energy signature. The being who was created however using that information begins as a mortal, because the biological aspect of it is mortal. This being must learn its true nature and in doing so, essentially energizes their soul field core programming which overwrites the programming of the biological, just like in the strawberry experiment. The biological then adjusts to the overwriting and becomes or at least begins a transition to becoming an energetic being. It takes a while for the DNA to adjust, DNA being the hardware aspect of the operating system of the body. If the body completes this process before dying, the being can even preclude death, simply dematerializing at some point, with materialization capability as well. They have completed ascension. However, if a being dies who has achieved the overwrite, after death they remain energetic, and are a truly independent being, ascended as well. They no longer need the support of the database to exist. They are fully capable of drawing on the subtle energy which permeates the universe to exist. They are free. No more reincarnation.

I've ask you to imagine if you will this system I've described. I'm not saying its fact, I'm describing something here which you can compare to the excellent information you have already amassed and see if it helps answer questions. What should be apparent though is this - IF what I propose is true, then the only way out of the system for any given soul is only three options - after a mortal death, a being either returns to the system for immersion in it, remains outside it in a low energy state (with characteristics which exactly match our ghost phenomenon) or ... there is a third way ... a request to be deactivated. Where a biological can suicide, a soul can request euthanasia, and there is a form of AI within the database itself that will honor this. However, upon deactivatjon, it wipes the soul and ques it up for activation again - a new start. So ultimately, the only true escape is ascension.

Again, what I propose is for consideration. The question naturally arises - who did the sampling and built the database? It was a small team from an advanced race long ago. This team of geneticists designed the biological organism to house the souls and to give it a true humanoid appearance, integrated their own DNA into the design. They never suspected what that would do. What it did was weaken them, immensely. Every individual within the universe samples and exists supported by the subtle energy I mentioned earlier. The higher universe functions on a node system meaning every being has a specific power node upon which they have an ample supply of energy. It is postulated that this design aspect is to prevent any entity being able to overwhelm another. In other words, every being is equally powerful. When the scientists integrated their own DNA into their creations, as the human population grew, billions of souls were drawing on only 37 power nodes. The mortal life span dropped from 1200 years to about 10% of that amount and the scientists themselves could no longer even materialize. In fact it is their experiment which allowed the discovery of the discrete nodes associated with individuals.

Humans eventually destroyed themselves in a nuclear conflct. On our timeline that would have occurred in the fall of 2012. You may not be up to date on some of my previous posts. What exactly are we? I'll finish the story. Once the apocalyptic event had taken place, there were over 23 billion human souls adrift, low energy state, ghostlike existences, partially supported by their database and partially by their energy node (which as mentioned were a shared set of 37 nodes). The 37 genetic scientists who created them, with the power drain of living souls removed, were at least able to rematerializes. Outside groups of scientists demonstrated that if the humans reintegrated with their creators, whoever's DNA they held at their core, that the creators would be restored to full capability. Don't ask me how that was done - it has something to do with an interface or bridge by which the creators "jacked in" to the database and allowed the reprojection of the human souls onto themselves, probably using the holographic projections as demonstrated here with the strawberry. The main problem is that the humans would not willingly go back to their creators because they viewed them as evil. A deal was brokered and here were the terms - if the creators were to immerse themselves in a realistic simulation which mirrored the misery the humans had endured, and were genuinely repentent at the completion of it (as measured by a sort of advanced polygraph machine), the humans would reintegrate. It was a good deal for them - in assimilation, they did not lose their awareness - each simply perceived that they had become vastly more aware, all the cores overlayed back upon the origin core.

And that's where we come in. We are the simulation. The process has been completed and we are off the script. Interestingly we did not destroy ourselves. It was supposed to happen. Perhaps ... God? :) Who knows ... ? But a few of us have achieved self awareness. We are true life, grown out of a computer simulation.

Thanks for taking the time to write that.

What i hear is just another sophisticated version of reasons to recycle us back here again unless certain prerequisites are met, we have to earn our way out no matter how unfair this system is, especially for those who have no idea that there is a trap or recycling system in place. The chosen few get through the net, there is also information to suggest that the rewards for doing so are just an escape into cosmic matrix.

These ideas just enforce separation and hierarchy. Why is no one considering an alternative to the mess here, that of connection with equality including sovereignty, basically the opposite of what we have here that most accept because they know no different.

As for slavery her on Earth. Why do we have to pay to live on the planet we are born on?

[loveoflife]

Thanks Chris. These words are from the Bhagwad Gita and though they have great meaning, I do not subscribe to the existence of an entity that people may describe as God.

If one reads in between the lines all the holy books and the sentences, one soon realizes the God that we seek is within us not outside. Only that most of us have not discovered it, sent a friend request and connected with it.... :-)


Thanks cryptoguru--The Out breath and the in breath of God.
God being the "Soul" sole Creator I find the reincarnation trap extremely difficult to believe.
No problem believing that in duality we have dark forces controlling many things, the essentials Food,Energy,Pharmaceuticals, Media, Money, possibly more.

Chris

Agreed
The population of that time were not of a level of consciousness that they could handle the Ultimate Truth.
It suited whoever to keep people dependent on an exterior power--God
For my money there is only "One without a second" I am that.
love Chris

Nothing has changed, most people today cannot handle the truth if it goes against their indoctrinated conditioning and brainwashing., Belief systems whatever they are need to be challenged, or we just replace one illusion with another.

[loveoflife]

Darthtoaster, the thing is that your beliefs automatically create your reality to reflect them,
that's what most people don't realize because they haven't looked at their mind yet.
So everything that happens to you is made of your own energy, here is an interesting video that explains it:

HOwaFFx5e4U

Excellent, beliefs are just that. The only reason to believe is because their is no proof. Then to realise nothing can be proven and everything gets debunked.

The deception we have fallen for here is immense, it has been in place for millennia, it would appear that it has been engineered and designed with a specific agenda that is simple in essence, divide and rule, encourage separation and powerlessness, and a belief that we have to work to earn to become who we already are.

Then we keep coming back life after life with a clean slate to do it all and believe it all again.

If the truth is the opposite because everything is upside down, then connection, equality and individual sovereignty could be the solution.

[loveoflife]

I've read thru most of this thread and what I see are a lot of words. I am thinking of something David Icke said about 'repeaters'. Are we just repeating what someone else said? Do we just believe because it is written down on paper? What do you really know for yourself? Stop repeating what others say, and talk about what you 'really' know.
Now this is some really good advice. Well said .

The trouble is that just about everyone on Avalon is a god dam expert and which expert should we believe? :)

Experts do appear to be immutable in the belief that they are right, or to use a better adjective righteous.

Being right makes others wrong and promotes separation.

What baffles me the most are those who promote their spiritual beliefs on the basis of solipsism.

[loveoflife]

Going deeper into this reincarnation trap is the concept that all the worlds religions along with many spiritual beliefs were created to disempower and separate.

If we are to wake up to the truth, then we have no idea as to what that truth is because we are not awake yet, and full awakening is not possible due to the limitation of our senses.

In this reality we are made to feel like ants having been manipulated into a vulnerable situation when we in essence are equal.

I always remember this from babylon 5, from the perspective of a humans limited sense perception this is what those who manipulate us appear to be like no wonder people call the gods.

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[loveoflife]

Yes I think forgiveness takes us out of karma, otherwise there would be no end ever.
So I would say we only have to experience the karma of our surpressed (unconscious) energy (emotions) that we carry around.

The meaning of the sanskrit word 'karma' is 'work' we get what we deserve through the effort that we put in. That is no proof that karma has effect over lifetimes, it could be just another programmed belief system.

We would all like to believe that the evil get their just desserts and pay for what they have done. One thing about the dark occultists that play their part in running this show is that they are not ignorant, they rule us by keeping us in ignorance, they do not seem to have any concern for karma. In duality they know that they are just playing their part.

Karma in the west has become a more sophisticated version of original sin and a source of disempowering toxic shame and guilt for the act of simply being alive.

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We learn through hardships, the most beautiful diamonds are formed in huge pressure and intense heat, most importantly forgiveness heals.

Forgiveness, love and compassion for ourself first.

[Wind]

Forgiveness, love and compassion for ourself first.

Yes of course, that's what I meant. It is apparent to me that we ourselves can be our own greatest judges, when it comes to past mistakes and deeds.

[darthtoaster]

Ray, I'm going to break my disengagement here. I will speak in general, simple terms.

The idea that there is no true injustice, that the starvations, mutilations, necklacing, wars and so on are all justified by previous individual actions in the past, is a very tempting idea. The idea that we evolved from ape men and women in the far distant past is widespread. And the idea that karma is a law which conforms to our human understanding of good and bad is tempting.

These temptations though are again massive misinformation propagated by those who control this planet, both on a human level and in echelons above them who control from a more "distant" perspective.

The video - Everything You Know is Wrong - Lloyd Pye - this video, easily accessible on YouTube, is but one of many pieces of solid evidence which definitively demonstrate the fallacy of evolution. Intervention theory is a well more plausible and realistic view of how we came to be. People will either accept that or they won't but the facts of the matter are the facts and the facts stand firmly on the side of intervention, at all levels, from simple cellular life to complex biological systems.

Second point. Humanity, including the popular channels, have created karma in their own image, just as the religions have created God in their own image. Karma does not work according to definitions of good and bad as we would generally see them.

There is zero karmic accumulation for a cheetah which kills a straggler gazelle or zebra for sustenance. Any design, and the design aspects of any reality are completely evident (the capped value of the speed of cosmic rays for example) - any design by which a law is applied to biological life by which there is no capability for understanding the implications of the law or indeed, any CHOICE in modification of behavior, is or would be frivolous and completely irrational. This existence was not brought about by irrationality.

To argue then that apemen and women bring with them animalistic "bad" karma over thousands of iterations is illogical on two fronts - it has been demonstrated that we are well more than evolutionary extensions of these simple beings and second, it would be logically irreconcilable to impose a retributionary law upon beings who were not endowed with the sentience to even conceptualize the law or its implications on their behavior. As I said, its tempting to follow the karma is everywhere philosophy and sleep peacefully at night oblivious to horrid things but that is a controller group propagated illusion to pacify a certain portion of the planetary population. Its just another lie. There IS actual injustice in this reality.

Contrary to certain statements, Yeshua (Jesus) did not teach karma. He taught ascension/personal raising of consciousness. The idea of not resisting an evil person has nothing to do ultimately with karma. It has to do only with level of consciousness. At certain levels of consciousness, violence is an option. At certain levels it recedes into the background as an option. Finally, it disappears as an option. And as violence disappears from ones view, this individual is naturally endowed with more power of projection. The empirical evidence supports this theory. Truly powerful beings, beings who make practitioners of psychic warfare or benevolence look like little children playing, do not GENERALLY sink into depravity. They can't go there any more.

Let's talk about the ones who did go there ...

Numerous cultures spanning our history and many other histories we aren't even aware of allude to the idea of fallen ones (in parable form). Basically, it is a statistical impossibility to design a reality based completely on free expression (free will) that will not have a tiny statistical possibility of one or more individuals within that reality acquiescing to the logical temptation to commit "sins" basically which violate the basic premise of the creation in the first place - benevolence. In this case, it was to express their creative drive in ways which varied from the basic template of design for sentient life - humanoid, with complete sentience.

Where did aliens as we call them, come from? Evolution? Quasars? God? (smiling here) Which reminds me ... there is an external mother and father whose spirit is both within us, is us, and can and does exist separately from us as well - the origin consciousness (they are as one). Lao Tzu alludes to this. Yeshua did but the reinventers of history deleted the mother aspect (I'm not talking about Miriam). Buddha kind of beat around the bush, not that he's not a great guy. He's an awesome guy. But I digress.

Who fell? Who combined different orders of consciousness, designing predator/prey ecological systems, sentient consciousness in mortal bodies, experimented with different forms and finally, to get true humanoid appearance (the true sentient template, the only true sentient template) put their own DNA in a mortal being? The "geneticists" I referenced previously. Just 37 beings out of billions, this tiny group, created the beginnings of every alien race we encounter in this reality, created us, and literally created disaster upon compounding disaster.

The demiurge.

What do we do about all this? Ascend. Return to energetic existence. We can do this because we have their DNA. Want to know why so many alien races are interested in us, interfere with us, experiment, abduct us, but do not destroy us or truly harm us? We have the creators DNA. They don't. They need us to access that DNA, and attempt to ascend themselves.

There is a race on this planet that was engineered. Ashkenazi Jews. DNA they have is proven scientifically - Sephardic Jew and Caucasian (Caucasus region). That small group has an average IQ well beyond any other group period. Look it up. Its proven. They have been protected, spoiled, tested, harvested, modified and so on (over 150,000 pristine Jewish children's bodies were harvested out of concentration camps in WW2 and put in cryogenic storage in underground facilities, the true purpose of WW2 as a massive, over the top cover for this operation - ever wonder about alien cooperation with the Nazi's?)

We are valuable because of what we possess within our biological architecture. Our souls are just as valuable. The ultimate resolution to this problem is for us to ascend and then freely share with our sister races. Ascend us all. The way the different races are going about it is screwed up. Serpo - the first death "there" did not happen by accident. And they were quick to grab that body and that DNA ...

No matter what ones viewpoint, no matter what beliefs, everything reasonable is pointing to ascending, raising our level of consciousness. Don't believe me. Disregard everything I say. Put your faith in karmic unicorns. It doesn't matter. Just make love your underlying motivation. Explore it, understand it, meditate, rise up and then you can do some good works. Real ones. This is more than a game.

[Savannah]

I have also come to believe that reincarnation is a soul trap for many reasons and the following is just one example. I spent many years readying about past lives, Newton, Cannon etc. I’m a psychologist and I have used past lives as a therapeutic tool. I have also spontaneously remembered some of my past lives and it was a very intense experience. I not only membered aspects of those lives but at times I felt the emotions of others while interacting with them, similar to what is referred to as a life review. In one life I was a maid in a 18th century French home. Before I died I sent my 11 years old daughter to live as a maid in another house. During the spontaneous regression I felt shocked I had placed my child into a life of servitude. Each life I saw I felt guilt about some of my actions. Years later it occurred to me, ‘wait a minute, I did what I needed to do, I loved her and she had no one to care for her because I was dying’. At that time I contribute my distorted perception of self-blame a common aspect of trauma in which people often see themselves as a doing something wrong during a tragedy. Take for instance a mother who puts her child on the school bus because she didn’t have time to drive him to school that day and the there is a bus accident. The mother will irrationally blame herself for not driving him to school. We want to feel in control, even if it means blaming ourselves. However as I began reading about the reincarnation trap much of what didn’t make sense to me has become more clear. I think now what I might have felt guilty about was exaggerated and manipulated by the ETS to get me to willingly go back and make amends for my karmic mistakes. When I look back on some of those lives I was just an average good person trying live my life and never intended to hurt anyone. I have also changed my perceptions about what others thought of me. At the time of the spontaneous regression I felt responsible for what others were feeling toward me. We all know that’s irrational, no matter what someone does to me it’s my choice how I feel and react to it. They are responsible only for their actions and I’m responsible for my reactions.

[greybeard]

Bill is not impressed with John Lash who was quoted on the thread.
Would appear he likes to spread fear.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=970981&viewfull=1#post970981

Chris

[darthtoaster]

A quick note - the computer system by which we reincarnate is autonomous. It has not been penetrated by "aliens". They wouldn't dare. It might damage it and we are too valuable to them to tamper with it internally.

That said, the original creators who designed the computer itself did design it as a manipulative tool. It is nothing to fear but unfortunately the only way out is to ascend - become a standalone energetic being.

Now let's say I'm wrong here. Let us look for evidence from any access point in history and try to find support for the idea that we can exit the system without ascending. What evidence supports the idea that we can choose to simply leave? What evidence supports the idea that there are souls in here who voluntarily came here from other planets? Did anyone ever consider that aliens might steal DNA from each other and integrate it into our biological network, or integrate their own DNA without having the capability of soul transfer into the body created?? Would that not lead individuals here to believe that they voluntarily came from another planet or even directly from Source itself?? hmmmm? grin

What evidence supports the idea that human ghosts ever generate the power to exit their ghost existence on their own?

Challenge me with facts and evidence. I would LOVE to just leave. Prove it to me. Prove that my sources are just another controller inspired illusion. I could be wrong. Show me how that would be possible.

[loveoflife]

What you truly are can not be captured, interfered with, changed in any way and is eternal.
Chris

That is obvious.

That raises the obvious are we truly what we are? If not and we are identifying with an illusion and lies, then we are captured and interfered with from all sides from birth to the present and beyond.

Just look around to see how much we are interfered with.

[loveoflife]

I understand that we have three bodies (soul, spirit, and physical). In conception the physical and spirit body are created and the soul that god created attaches to the spirit body. In death, the physical body's connection to the spirit body is released so that a spirit body/soul body complex remains and lives in the spirit world (same place as the dream world). People who die who believe in reincarnation think they have to return to a physical body force themselves into a new one thinking they reincarnated when they only possessed the body. Many millions of children have been born deformed and with illnesses transferred to them via the karma (distortions) of the possessing spirit) due to this harmful belief in reincarnation. All forms of "proof" of reincarnation is only evidence of spirit communication, sharing of memories/stories from spirits, possession and influence and attachments.

Reincarnation is a belief about how to spiritually progress, however, how to do it is to remove karma from the soul which can be done as a spirit. Being that the belief in reincarnation says you have to return in a physical body to progress that belief is not provable but instead is provable as a non-truth because you can progress as a spirit. So there's no need to reincarnate. It's impossible anyway because a spirit with a spirit body cannot attach itself to another body with a spirit body (making two bodies). What it ends up doing is a spirit who over-cloaks a new soul is violating that new soul by taking away its free will and superimposing its will upon that body and disallowing that new soul to develop on its own.

As far as I'm concerned teachers of the past invented this theory because they didn't know how to become enlightened and so they assumed it would take them more than one lifetime and misunderstood what spirit possession is all about. I, for one, am not going to lend my body to a spirit who believes in a delusional idea like reincarnation so I can veg and ultimately drink the intellectual kool-aid/beliefs that cause people to stray from a real spiritual enlightenment path that one can accomplish in one lifetime as a new spirit.

Good post except for the god creating a soul part. The most disempowering thing i have heard is "i made you".

If in essence i am eternal then i have always existed and was never created.

It is a mundane perception of reality that of a beginning an end and linear time.

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Love and Peace

..... only possible when first found within.

Otherwise a nice sentiment.

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This is the only thing that you need do for vision, happiness, release
from pain, and the complete escape from sin, all to be given you. Say only
this, but mean it with no reservations, for here the power of salvation
lies:

I am responsible for what I see. I chose the feelings I
experience, and I decided on the goal I would achieve. And everything that
seems to happen to me I asked for and received as I had asked.

Deceive yourself no longer that you are helpless in the face of what is done to
you. Acknowledge but that you have been mistaken, and all effects of your
mistakes will disappear. ~ACIM

One of the better empowering quotes from ACIM.

[loveoflife]

Just adding my input. The system is automated, going into the light is wonderful, the rest period is wonderful, not going into the light is not wonderful and leaves one experiencing various things repeatedly that aren't pleasant, the living can assist some of the restless into the light very much like the Ghost Whisperer series (I have on occasions, over 150), we are forced back into another life but we go willingly and happily when the time comes, there is a small amount of choice involved in that, archon's are an ancient race of reptilians who somehow draw on dark energy and are "sustained" by it, these reptilians set up the current order of humanity to cyclically stir dark energy by which they feed, and .... (breathe lol) ... the neu spirit mentioned above is very accurate and attainable for each of us. Run on sentence :)

I can expand on any of these points if desired, if not, my input is be mindful of Chris's words - fear not basically. No need to create more than is there. We are powerful :)

Much love. I love this post string :)

There is no need to avoid fear either. It is a useful tool that develops courage. Like it or not we are subject to fear, avoidance of the inevitable is illusion and cowardice. Courage and cowardice both stem from fear.

Courage, the joy of living dangerously.

Without risk their is no gain.

We are already what we seek to attain, this is a simple realisation.

Any journey that looks for the self is a journey away from the self. A paradox that is realised by those who take the journey.

[loveoflife]

The in5D website is famous for its fiction.

The only trap that exists is our own ignorance of the truth... and the stories we choose to accept... written by people, like the in5D website, who have nothing better to do than dish our their fiction created in their ignorant minds.

Reincarnation is a fact of life and each of us will continue to return until we have reached a consciousness level which will allow us to proceed to the next higher world... of non humans.
We have all had thousands of incarnations... and most have thousands to go... and anyone who fancies them self as some highly evolved being who does not need to return will have a very disappointing revelation when they leave their current body.

We are each at different levels of consciousness growth and it is often almost impossible to tell who his ahead of who unless you have achieved Causal consciousness... and if you don't know what that means then chances are you have a long way to go still.

Of course there are many non humans who have incarnated into human organisms... but they are here to assist humans to reach the world where they come from... and you may never even know that the person standing next to you at the bus stop is actually non human... scary hey :)

The truth is... and this comes from my experience, so you should certainly not believe it, but rather find out for yourself... that any fear that we might have that comes from all the stories of doom and prison planet etc we read about... is nothing more than non-sense... how would it be possible to trap or capture a monad/Self... which is what we all are... when the people who say someone does, does not even know what that is... and what it is capable of?

Take care now and lets all get on with our consciousness growth by being nice to everyone and avoiding conflict.

Love is the way and unity is it's path.

Ray

A belief system promoted by religion.

To accept the way things are is fatalistic. Look at the world, has a belief in reincarnation coming from these Eastern religions changed anything, when a short plane ride away we find abject poverty, famine, torture and war?

[loveoflife]

A quick note - the computer system by which we reincarnate is autonomous. It has not been penetrated by "aliens". They wouldn't dare. It might damage it and we are too valuable to them to tamper with it internally.

That said, the original creators who designed the computer itself did design it as a manipulative tool. It is nothing to fear but unfortunately the only way out is to ascend - become a standalone energetic being.

Now let's say I'm wrong here. Let us look for evidence from any access point in history and try to find support for the idea that we can exit the system without ascending. What evidence supports the idea that we can choose to simply leave? What evidence supports the idea that there are souls in here who voluntarily came here from other planets? Did anyone ever consider that aliens might steal DNA from each other and integrate it into our biological network, or integrate their own DNA without having the capability of soul transfer into the body created?? Would that not lead individuals here to believe that they voluntarily came from another planet or even directly from Source itself?? hmmmm? grin

What evidence supports the idea that human ghosts ever generate the power to exit their ghost existence on their own?

Challenge me with facts and evidence. I would LOVE to just leave. Prove it to me. Prove that my sources are just another controller inspired illusion. I could be wrong. Show me how that would be possible.

It sounds to me like you have a belief system firmly fixed in place. Its not up to me to change it in anyway, thats your job.

Proof only goes so far, there is always some faith and intuition involved otherwise all we have is a mental construct.

I do not deal in proof, i have none. If i am eternal in an infinite existence then there infinite possibilities that have to be considered or not.

All i know is that a rigid belief system excludes infinite possibilities and that i have been lied to and manipulated from birth and encouraged in many consensus beliefs that continue to exposed as lies.

All i know of who i am is what i can imagine myself to be. Imagination another aspect of myself i was told was not real, when it is the basis of my ability to be creative.

It is obvious we have been dumbed down and the process has only become stronger upon the youth of today. Nobody who comes here escapes this process.

As for those who claim to have awoken all we have is their word for it in a world full of deception and charlatans.

[loveoflife]

Ray, I'm going to break my disengagement here. I will speak in general, simple terms.

The idea that there is no true injustice, that the starvations, mutilations, necklacing, wars and so on are all justified by previous individual actions in the past, is a very tempting idea. The idea that we evolved from ape men and women in the far distant past is widespread. And the idea that karma is a law which conforms to our human understanding of good and bad is tempting.

These temptations though are again massive misinformation propagated by those who control this planet, both on a human level and in echelons above them who control from a more "distant" perspective.

The video - Everything You Know is Wrong - Lloyd Pye - this video, easily accessible on YouTube, is but one of many pieces of solid evidence which definitively demonstrate the fallacy of evolution. Intervention theory is a well more plausible and realistic view of how we came to be. People will either accept that or they won't but the facts of the matter are the facts and the facts stand firmly on the side of intervention, at all levels, from simple cellular life to complex biological systems.

Second point. Humanity, including the popular channels, have created karma in their own image, just as the religions have created God in their own image. Karma does not work according to definitions of good and bad as we would generally see them.

There is zero karmic accumulation for a cheetah which kills a straggler gazelle or zebra for sustenance. Any design, and the design aspects of any reality are completely evident (the capped value of the speed of cosmic rays for example) - any design by which a law is applied to biological life by which there is no capability for understanding the implications of the law or indeed, any CHOICE in modification of behavior, is or would be frivolous and completely irrational. This existence was not brought about by irrationality.

To argue then that apemen and women bring with them animalistic "bad" karma over thousands of iterations is illogical on two fronts - it has been demonstrated that we are well more than evolutionary extensions of these simple beings and second, it would be logically irreconcilable to impose a retributionary law upon beings who were not endowed with the sentience to even conceptualize the law or its implications on their behavior. As I said, its tempting to follow the karma is everywhere philosophy and sleep peacefully at night oblivious to horrid things but that is a controller group propagated illusion to pacify a certain portion of the planetary population. Its just another lie. There IS actual injustice in this reality.

Contrary to certain statements, Yeshua (Jesus) did not teach karma. He taught ascension/personal raising of consciousness. The idea of not resisting an evil person has nothing to do ultimately with karma. It has to do only with level of consciousness. At certain levels of consciousness, violence is an option. At certain levels it recedes into the background as an option. Finally, it disappears as an option. And as violence disappears from ones view, this individual is naturally endowed with more power of projection. The empirical evidence supports this theory. Truly powerful beings, beings who make practitioners of psychic warfare or benevolence look like little children playing, do not GENERALLY sink into depravity. They can't go there any more.

Let's talk about the ones who did go there ...

Numerous cultures spanning our history and many other histories we aren't even aware of allude to the idea of fallen ones (in parable form). Basically, it is a statistical impossibility to design a reality based completely on free expression (free will) that will not have a tiny statistical possibility of one or more individuals within that reality acquiescing to the logical temptation to commit "sins" basically which violate the basic premise of the creation in the first place - benevolence. In this case, it was to express their creative drive in ways which varied from the basic template of design for sentient life - humanoid, with complete sentience.

Where did aliens as we call them, come from? Evolution? Quasars? God? (smiling here) Which reminds me ... there is an external mother and father whose spirit is both within us, is us, and can and does exist separately from us as well - the origin consciousness (they are as one). Lao Tzu alludes to this. Yeshua did but the reinventers of history deleted the mother aspect (I'm not talking about Miriam). Buddha kind of beat around the bush, not that he's not a great guy. He's an awesome guy. But I digress.

Who fell? Who combined different orders of consciousness, designing predator/prey ecological systems, sentient consciousness in mortal bodies, experimented with different forms and finally, to get true humanoid appearance (the true sentient template, the only true sentient template) put their own DNA in a mortal being? The "geneticists" I referenced previously. Just 37 beings out of billions, this tiny group, created the beginnings of every alien race we encounter in this reality, created us, and literally created disaster upon compounding disaster.

The demiurge.

What do we do about all this? Ascend. Return to energetic existence. We can do this because we have their DNA. Want to know why so many alien races are interested in us, interfere with us, experiment, abduct us, but do not destroy us or truly harm us? We have the creators DNA. They don't. They need us to access that DNA, and attempt to ascend themselves.

There is a race on this planet that was engineered. Ashkenazi Jews. DNA they have is proven scientifically - Sephardic Jew and Caucasian (Caucasus region). That small group has an average IQ well beyond any other group period. Look it up. Its proven. They have been protected, spoiled, tested, harvested, modified and so on (over 150,000 pristine Jewish children's bodies were harvested out of concentration camps in WW2 and put in cryogenic storage in underground facilities, the true purpose of WW2 as a massive, over the top cover for this operation - ever wonder about alien cooperation with the Nazi's?)

We are valuable because of what we possess within our biological architecture. Our souls are just as valuable. The ultimate resolution to this problem is for us to ascend and then freely share with our sister races. Ascend us all. The way the different races are going about it is screwed up. Serpo - the first death "there" did not happen by accident. And they were quick to grab that body and that DNA ...

No matter what ones viewpoint, no matter what beliefs, everything reasonable is pointing to ascending, raising our level of consciousness. Don't believe me. Disregard everything I say. Put your faith in karmic unicorns. It doesn't matter. Just make love your underlying motivation. Explore it, understand it, meditate, rise up and then you can do some good works. Real ones. This is more than a game.

Good post, though how do you know that ascension is not just a harvesting of souls in a system where there are beings who consider us in the same way many humans consider cattle?

Ascension is a belief held by many religions and a widespread new age belief.

Ascension implies that i can rise to be more than i already am. It is identifying with externals and not my core essence and a salvationist belief.

[loveoflife]

I have also come to believe that reincarnation is a soul trap for many reasons and the following is just one example. I spent many years readying about past lives, Newton, Cannon etc. I’m a psychologist and I have used past lives as a therapeutic tool. I have also spontaneously remembered some of my past lives and it was a very intense experience. I not only membered aspects of those lives but at times I felt the emotions of others while interacting with them, similar to what is referred to as a life review. In one life I was a maid in a 18th century French home. Before I died I sent my 11 years old daughter to live as a maid in another house. During the spontaneous regression I felt shocked I had placed my child into a life of servitude. Each life I saw I felt guilt about some of my actions. Years later it occurred to me, ‘wait a minute, I did what I needed to do, I loved her and she had no one to care for her because I was dying’. At that time I contribute my distorted perception of self-blame a common aspect of trauma in which people often see themselves as a doing something wrong during a tragedy. Take for instance a mother who puts her child on the school bus because she didn’t have time to drive him to school that day and the there is a bus accident. The mother will irrationally blame herself for not driving him to school. We want to feel in control, even if it means blaming ourselves. However as I began reading about the reincarnation trap much of what didn’t make sense to me has become more clear. I think now what I might have felt guilty about was exaggerated and manipulated by the ETS to get me to willingly go back and make amends for my karmic mistakes. When I look back on some of those lives I was just an average good person trying live my life and never intended to hurt anyone. I have also changed my perceptions about what others thought of me. At the time of the spontaneous regression I felt responsible for what others were feeling toward me. We all know that’s irrational, no matter what someone does to me it’s my choice how I feel and react to it. They are responsible only for their actions and I’m responsible for my reactions.

Good post and an understanding based on personal experience on many levels.

Lets face it, we may have come to awaken from a programmed dream of the past that has been reinforced by traditional and cultural beliefs, though we do not have all the answers. We are beginning to dismantle the past at the beginning of a new paradigm, it more about letting go of beliefs of many millennia than knowing about what is really going on.

Its like finding out more about who i am by finding out who i am not.

[darthtoaster]

There is no need to avoid fear either. It is a useful tool that develops courage. Like it or not we are subject to fear, avoidance of the inevitable is illusion and cowardice. Courage and cowardice both stem from fear.

Courage, the joy of living dangerously.

Without risk their is no gain.

We are already what we seek to attain, this is a simple realisation.

Any journey that looks for the self is a journey away from the self. A paradox that is realised by those who take the journey.

Could you translate this into practical actions that a person might apply in their own lives? If I don't have the normal fears of society at large, am I somehow deficient because I realize the fears are illusion? You are saying generate fear in order to face it? Why would one do that?

Consider this ...

I don't do this often but I'm going to paraphrase Ramtha. "God is silence"

Many others have expressed the same sentiment, and what's common to these many others is that they are out of the reincarnation trap as you put it.

Fear, courage, struggle, triumph ... any action is to distract oneself IF the goal of the individual is to recognize that they are God. The more we succomb to the temptation, and I'm no different else you would have never heard of me - to succumb to the temptation to engage ... is to ignore that which we are - God. There is a paradox here, because the goal is apparently to exit the reincarnation trap and facing fears is just as counter productive to that end as being fearful, scurrying and running from challenges. Would it not be more productive towards the expressed goal if one were to see the illusion and let go the entire, distractive paradigm?

I am acutely aware of the irony in these words I type. And I must leave. I have learned from this though. There is no waste :)

[loveoflife]

Bill is not impressed with John Lash who was quoted on the thread.
Would appear he likes to spread fear.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=970981&viewfull=1#post970981

Chris

He does a good job of translating The Nag Hammadi Codices and reviving the Sophianic myth.

It does seem like your are afraid to fear, its like any emotion it is neutral and has a purpose, its the decision that is made as either a response or reaction to emotion, that many judge as the emotion.

Being in denial of fear is a denial of the shadow aspect of ourselves.

[loveoflife]

There is no need to avoid fear either. It is a useful tool that develops courage. Like it or not we are subject to fear, avoidance of the inevitable is illusion and cowardice. Courage and cowardice both stem from fear.

Courage, the joy of living dangerously.

Without risk their is no gain.

We are already what we seek to attain, this is a simple realisation.

Any journey that looks for the self is a journey away from the self. A paradox that is realised by those who take the journey.

Could you translate this into practical actions that a person might apply in their own lives? If I don't have the normal fears of society at large, am I somehow deficient because I realize the fears are illusion? You are saying generate fear in order to face it? Why would one do that?

Consider this ...

I don't do this often but I'm going to paraphrase Ramtha. "God is silence"

Many others have expressed the same sentiment, and what's common to these many others is that they are out of the reincarnation trap as you put it.

Fear, courage, struggle, triumph ... any action is to distract oneself IF the goal of the individual is to recognize that they are God. The more we succomb to the temptation, and I'm no different else you would have never heard of me - to succumb to the temptation to engage ... is to ignore that which we are - God. There is a paradox here, because the goal is apparently to exit the reincarnation trap and facing fears is just as counter productive to that end as being fearful, scurrying and running from challenges. Would it not be more productive towards the expressed goal if one were to see the illusion and let go the entire, distractive paradigm?

I am acutely aware of the irony in these words I type. And I must leave. I have learned from this though. There is no waste :)

Fear exists, that is all, as do all emotions. I said we are subject to fear not that i generate it. If i do then its an unconscious process.

Fear like any emotion can be suppressed and often is in a society that considers its acknowledgement a weakness. Alcohol is cultural and widespread, its a means to suppress fear.

[greybeard]

Bill is not impressed with John Lash who was quoted on the thread.
Would appear he likes to spread fear.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=970981&viewfull=1#post970981

Chris

He does a good job of translating The Nag Hammadi Codices and reviving the Sophianic myth.

It does seem like your are afraid to fear, its like any emotion it is neutral and has a purpose, its the decision that is made as either a response or reaction to emotion, that many judge as the emotion.

Being in denial of fear is a denial of the shadow aspect of ourselves.

Respectfully you dont know me.
I have been in situations that would have scared the Sh## out of most. I was not afraid, just did what it took to get out of it.
Once you know that you are not the body then fear is irrelevant.

However most fear can be linked to fear of death---of the body or ego, I dont have that fear.

Just for the sake of discussion lets pretend that reincarnation is not a trap.
Bearing in mind that a lot of people fear what is going to happen to them on death.
In who's interest would it be to promote a story that there is a reincarnation trap operated by the Archron?
Why the Archrons thrive on the energy of fear---do they not.

If you read the post linked which is written by a woman who was his partner for years then you might believe that John Lash is in league with the Archrons.---thats a may be so for me.--I dont know him but Silkie does.

There is nothing uplifting in promoting as true Reincarnation trap.

Lets assume its true.
There is nothing you can do about it but raise your consciousness.
Promoting the story is not raising anything but fear.

Fear is not healthy it does much damage to the body Fight or flight response is different.
Fear freezes, immobilises.
The mind can produce fear out of the unreal.
What you are does not have a shadow aspect---you are The Unborn---as you said you were not created.
The more times spent thinking "I am That" the better.
Time spent identifying with the I, me, and mine is counter productive if you are serious about full spiritual awakening
Enlightenment does not come about without focus on awareness--which is what we are.
Attention to the present moment the eternal now--not dwelling on how the so called person was trapped into arriving here.
Not spending time thinking about being trapped again in the future.

The ego can not stand the present moment---it will take you back and forward--past future.
Its quite fond of fear---Im special, separate, as I can deal with this and that better than others.

In truth people do as best they can.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

A thought that came to mind--dont know if its true.
Perhaps the reason that we don't recall past lives is that, whilst we are the same spirit but perhaps with a different personality.
Seems we may be female in one life time male in the next.
Different, cultures, different colours. different codes of behaviour.
Remembering a past life would not be helpful---and there are quite a lot of them so I hear.
For sure we don't have the same body.

Ch

[Rich]

You are as God created you. There is no place where you can suffer, and no time that can bring change to your eternal state.
How can a world of time and place exist, if you remain as God created you?
~ACIM

[greybeard]

The reason I post on this thread is to give an alternative point of view as do other posters.
The thread, as do all threads on Avalon, attracts guests and different points of view create choice.

Chris

[Rich]

Someone that is not at peace cannot claim to know truth, here ACIM explains why:


No one can suffer loss unless it be his own decision. No one suffers pain except his choice elects this state for him. No one can grieve nor fear nor think him sick unless these are the outcomes that he wants. And no one dies without his own consent. Nothing occurs but represents your wish, and nothing is omitted that you choose. Here is your world, complete in all details. Here is its whole reality for you. And it is only here salvation is.

You may believe that this position is extreme, and too inclusive to be true. Yet can truth have exceptions? If you have the gift of everything, can loss be real? Can pain be part of peace, or grief of joy? Can fear and sickness enter in a mind where love and perfect holiness abide? Truth must be all-inclusive, if it be the truth at all. Accept no opposites and no exceptions, for to do so is to contradict the truth entirely.
~ACIM

[loveoflife]

I hear a lot of new age teachings on this thread.

Very few posts are on topic and i doubt that many posters have investigated the topic. There is also much defense of traditional belief systems and conjecture.

[Finefeather]

A thought that came to mind--dont know if its true.
Perhaps the reason that we don't recall past lives is that, whilst we are the same spirit but perhaps with a different personality.
Seems we may be female in one life time male in the next.
Different, cultures, different colours. different codes of behaviour.
Remembering a past life would not be helpful---and there are quite a lot of them so I hear.
For sure we don't have the same body.

Ch
Can you remember precisely what you did 10 years ago...30 years ago...at birth? ... never mind 100 years ago... humans cannot even get their history correct.

We also do not reincarnate immediately after 'death' we can spend up to 30 years or so living in the emotional(astral) world, where we 'die' again to that world...and there's still more to it... but we won't go there now.

In each incarnation we have a new mental, emotional and etheric envelope... a body is simply an organic 'tool' to house the stepped down version of the Self.
DNA of the human organism plays no role in our 'spiritual' growth or our consciousness evolution... DNA is not a cause... it is an effect of the state of the consciousness. DNA changes as our consciousness grows.

The reason why humans cannot remember past live's is simple:

All memories of our past history is 'stored' in a higher state or world called the Causal World and no human can access this whilst not having reached causal consciousness yet... and if you have reached this level you would know it and no longer be a human.

People, like psychologist, and especially people like Dolores Cannon... who believe they have regressed people or themselves back in time to see their past lives are deluded by their own imaginative, subjective mental constructions.

They have been no further than the astral worlds of illusion.

Every incarnation is an attempt at working on some undeveloped state of our evolutionary status... and evolution is a consciousness excercise.

Even if we knew our past lives it would not necessarily help us in our current life.

What everyone does bring with them each time is their characters which have developed over thousands of incarnation... this is what makes us all so different and all so special... but even this can be ruined by a life of bad reaping.

We also bring trauma and other habits and talents with us in the form of Skandhas which are emotional and mental material forms...

Karma is a law of life... and it's source and workings are at an atomic/vibration level which when stepped down include things like good and bad actions and thoughts.

'Ascending' to the next level of Being above the Human level requires 'vibrational' harmony with this higher world... and this harmonisation which allows access is controlled and regulated by our actions and thoughts.

Ray

PS: and yes we have all been males and females in other lives.
One of the major reasons for homosexuality... in both male and female... is a long series of female or male incarnations... and when suddenly the opposite gender is chosen, confusion sets in and the life becomes ruined by been unable to accept the gender they are in.

[Rich]

I hear a lot of new age teachings on this thread.

Very few posts are on topic and i doubt that many posters have investigated the topic. There is also much defense of traditional belief systems and conjecture.

loveoflife, I do not want to impose on anyone if you say I should not post here that is fine with me,
I don't usually post on threads like this at all because I respect people's beliefs.
This thread kinda snowballed.

If we hold on to a false belief then all we say is ''love does not exist''.
Love can either be all inclusive or not exist at all.

[darthtoaster]

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[Finefeather]

If the above statement was true, then it would just be a sort of blunt affront to another person, in this case Dolores Cannon and even Bill Ryan. See the YouTube link to see Bill speaking of his past lives. Good interview.
I have not viewed this video and because Bill Ryan is not a psychologist and not a past life regression therapist it would exclude him in the statement I made. For the rest I stand by what I say. You are attempting to place me in a corner which does not exist.


The rest time in the light can vary. There's an Indian girl who came back a mere eight years after her death. On the other hand I came back 49 years after my previous death. This is my first life in the United States. If one does not go into the light, reincarnation time can vary widely, spanning hundreds of years. I've seen many of these individuals. One is a man named Solomon Spaulding, author of a book which eventually became the Book of Mormon.
I think you might be a bit pedantic... are you not?
It was not my intention in my post to wade through the many exceptions and claims by people as to the period between their last incarnation... there are many who come back quickly for some reason, but this is not the norm.

If you could realise that according to some ancient writings there is estimated to be some 60 Billion monads/Selves/Souls attached to the earth planet cycle of incarnation... then based on the current approximate 7 billion...and rough livespan... etc... it would work out to be somewhere like 100 years or so between lives... everyone needs to have equal opportunity... you cannot hog a body :)

I am trying to give a broad idea of a reality which has many ifs and buts... between each line I write I could write a book.


Here's my story. As a child, I would awake every night shortly after going to sleep in terror from a nightmare - I was falling toward the ground, and would awake at impact. This went on for years. I went on to be a fighter pilot for 15 years in the US military. My birth date is April 5, 1967. Here is my picture.

This is the previous life. His name is Wilhelm Frankl. He was a German fighter pilot in WWI. He died April 8, 1918. He died by falling to his death from his aircraft when he over G'd and tore the wings off. Here's the picture.
Whilst I am not directly accusing you of false reporting... you will be amazed how many people have stood in front of me in my life and claimed to be some famous person who we can easily read about on the internet... like Wilhelm Frankl.

Also the fact that you woke up at night falling to the ground... which is a common occurrence from an out of body episode...does not mean much... because I am sure there were thousand of pilots in the First and Second wars that fell to their deaths from an aircraft, not to mention other aircrafts... and other reasons for falling to their 'death' from some height.
So it makes me very wary when you say you are now a pilot again... this would IMO be unusual... not out of the question... but unusual for reasons I do not want to go into now, because it may take a while.



Ray ... I believe much of what you say are deliberate attacks by yourself on the veracity of what Bill and others are on the record speaking about and much of what you say is not factual and is in my opinion, deliberate. I believe you should consider telling the truth, which I know you are aware of. To deliberately mislead is not good for your karma ...
As I said above you have... for your own reasons and agenda...places Bill into an equation which I clearly did not. Even so... bringing Bill's name up does not deter me and if your intention was that I should be intimidated by including his name where it clearly does not belong... then you should be the one who should be considering deliberate intention.

I am not easily intimidated... and I am more than aware of the laws of cause and effect.

Ray


PS: There are many people who have claimed to be Joan of arc an other famous historical people...:)
Everyone wants to be famous... the ego is a wonderful beast.

[darthtoaster]

Your words Ray, again.

"People, like psychologist, and especially people like Dolores Cannon... who believe they have regressed people or themselves back in time to see their past lives are deluded by their own imaginative, subjective mental constructions"

Bill is on record in the video I posted as having investigated his own past lives. He gives a significant amount of detail about that. It is not coincidence that your statement directy attacks his words, on record. You're not the only one I've encountered recently who is trying to diminish his credibility. I have no problem countering these falsehoods with actual information.

I am a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy, 1989. My name is David Loveless. Squadron 19. Look it up.

Graduate pilot training Reese AFB, Texas, 1990. Now closed.

Lead in Fighter Training (LIFT), Holloman AFB, New Mexico. 1990

F-111 training (RTU), Cannon AFB, New Mexico. 1991

I have flown F-111G, F-111E, F-111F, EF-111A (Instructor) and A-10 (Instructor). I now own a truck and am an independent contractor.

I stand by my words. I back them up with actual information. You attempted to marginalize Dolores Cannon directly and Bill as well, indirectly. That's a pretty standard approach I have found.

[Ted]

It seems to me that if we truly have free will, we can do what we want. I have no intention of coming back.
I feel "cured" of this reality. I'm not claiming to be spiritually advanced, but there has to be an alternative to this meat grinder in order to get to where we want to be.
I can't think of a day recently which I haven't thought about getting out of this place. This world holds no attraction for me, I don't like it here. Why would I want to come back?
Forced reincarnation? Who is forcing us? I want to have a little chat with whomever this is.
There's got to be a loophole somewhere.

[Finefeather]

Your words Ray, again.

"People, like psychologist, and especially people like Dolores Cannon... who believe they have regressed people or themselves back in time to see their past lives are deluded by their own imaginative, subjective mental constructions"

Bill is on record in the video I posted as having investigated his own past lives. He gives a significant amount of detail about that. It is not coincidence that your statement directy attacks his words, on record. You're not the only one I've encountered recently who is trying to diminish his credibility. I have no problem countering these falsehoods with actual information.

I am a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy, 1989. My name is David Loveless. Squadron 19. Look it up.

Graduate pilot training Reese AFB, Texas, 1990. Now closed.

Lead in Fighter Training (LIFT), Holloman AFB, New Mexico. 1990

F-111 training (RTU), Cannon AFB, New Mexico. 1991

I have flown F-111G, F-111E, F-111F, EF-111A (Instructor) and A-10 (Instructor). I now own a truck and am an independent contractor.

I stand by my words. I back them up with actual information. You attempted to marginalize Dolores Cannon directly and Bill as well, indirectly. That's a pretty standard approach I have found.
No where did I even remotely question or judge your current life achievements... and well done to you for achieving them.

I said that it is unusual that someone comes back to the same vocation... which means I was questioning your previous life claims... not your current life.

You are making up the story about me attacking Bill and I suggest you re read my post.
Yes I clearly mentioned Dolores Cannon and I clearly marginalized her work because I know it is false because it does not concur with reality.

Ray

[Finefeather]

It seems to me that if we truly have free will, we can do what we want. I have no intention of coming back.
I feel "cured" of this reality. I'm not claiming to be spiritually advanced, but there has to be an alternative to this meat grinder in order to get to where we want to be.
I can't think of a day recently which I haven't thought about getting out of this place. This world holds no attraction for me, I don't like it here. Why would I want to come back?
Forced reincarnation? Who is forcing us? I want to have a little chat with whomever this is.
There's got to be a loophole somewhere.
If everyone tried to find out what the reason for their incarnation was, they would get on with the job of making the best of their life.

The true Self is doing the 'forcing'... because the true Self who knows whats good for you is in charge... Luckily...else you would be coming back for ever.
There are also guides known as Augoeides who assist us in our choices of incarnation.

Most humans have this mistaken idea that they are some super Being who is been forced to incarnate... nothing is further from the truth.
Humans are ignorant of reality and actually know only a fraction of what really is taking place in life... yet they think they know it all.

The sooner we can realise just how little we know and try to live life in a harmonised manner with others the sooner we will find out what life is actually about.

Ray

[Ted]

If everyone tried to find out what the reason for their incarnation was, they would get on with the job of making the best of their life.

The true Self is doing the 'forcing'... because the true Self who knows whats good for you is in charge... Luckily...else you would be coming back for ever.
There are also guides known as Augoeides who assist us in our choices of incarnation.

Most humans have this mistaken idea that they are some super Being who is been forced to incarnate... nothing is further from the truth.
Humans are ignorant of reality and actually know only a fraction of what really is taking place in life... yet they think they know it all.

The sooner we can realise just how little we know and try to live life in a harmonised manner with others the sooner we will find out what life is actually about.

RayI've spent the better part of my life trying to understand just what I'm doing here. I've studied eastern religion extensively, and its views on reincarnation. I am very familiar with the concept.
I have no illusions that I am some super being, and don't claim to really know much of anything. I do know that this world gives me the willies, and I would rather exist somewhere that doesn't. My inner sense of "fight or flight" is strongly leaning towards the latter.
I don't know if I want to harmonize with the insane asylum either. I'd rather be less sensitive to the collective conscientiousness so I could have some peace and quiet. The pervasive attitude of greed, fear and violence gets wearing after a while. Maybe I'm just getting old and bitter...

[Finefeather]

Ted...
I think there are many that would agree with you that the world is very much like an asylum :)...

Life ultimately is about collective unity and love and if you feel repulsed by it it would seem to me that you need to try to form a group of people who have the same interests as you, and from there go out and attempt service to others, so that you can reunite yourself with life's purpose.

Certainly it is only you who can decide on your next step forward and maybe you could get some advice closer to you...but as this is not a thread dealing with self help... It would be off topic to spend too much time with this.

Take care and much love
Ray

[darthtoaster]

"Humans are ignorant of reality and actually know only a fraction of what really is taking place in life... yet they think they know it all."

It is true that we endure a memory wipe upon re-entry. We didn't come in here uninformed though. The memory wipe allows a fresh start, nothing more. We are not ignorant beings. Our potential is not limited. We are not limited. Such debilitating words and thought patterns do not assist anyone and only cause roadblocks to progress, seeking to make us dependent on others. There is injustice here, and many have specifically chosen to enter areas by which they can help bring about change. Most choose to remain with family.

Here is something to consider. The power of love. Unconditional (which does not mean we allow others to trample upon others or steer in false directions).

The process begins, generally, with disgust. The eyes are opened. The mind accurately perceives the graft and corruption, the robotic behavior, the injustice and most especially the pain. Over time an individual who keeps looking will become less a participant and more an observer. They will remove their inputs to the power of the system. And then one day out of nowhere, they will truly see - and they will have ultimate compassion for their brothers and sisters. And you're out ... enabled to effect change from a much more advantageous position. A truly loving being, who gets it.

Just the way it is, no condemnation required. No mountain of karma to work off from apeman days, none of that. The simple realization of the above is all that's needed. And you do it all on your own. You ... are ... powerful.

[Wind]

PS: and yes we have all been males and females in other lives.
One of the major reasons for homosexuality... in both male and female... is a long series of female or male incarnations... and when suddenly the opposite gender is chosen, confusion sets in and the life becomes ruined by been unable to accept the gender they are in.

Hi Ray,

I always read your posts with interest and most of the time agree, although not always 100 %. However, when it comes to homosexuality I just have to add my thoughts. I don't think their lives are "ruined" due to their attraction towards the same gender, it's just that society puts so much pressure and guilt on those people so that can actually ruin their lives if the can not accept themselves as who they are and the emotions they have, because not everyone can sympathize because the don't have enough wisdom to understand. When it comes to society and people, some places are seriously lacking in empathy. For instance in Russia "unwanted" people actually persecuted in horrible ways, that also happened in Nazi Germany, but just to different kind of people and it was even more systematic and horrible due to man's ignorace and hatred.

I don't think that persons like that have confused souls, they chose their lives with those experiences so that they could grow more through hardships. The soul has no gender, but as persons we are attracted towards different places and people.

Everyone has their lessons to solve in this current life, they are just different kind of lessons. Nothing in the creation happens by chance.

[Finefeather]

PS: and yes we have all been males and females in other lives.
One of the major reasons for homosexuality... in both male and female... is a long series of female or male incarnations... and when suddenly the opposite gender is chosen, confusion sets in and the life becomes ruined by been unable to accept the gender they are in.

Hi Ray,

I always read your posts with interest and most of the time agree, although not always 100 %. However, when it comes to homosexuality I just have to add my thoughts. I don't think their lives are "ruined" due to their attraction towards the same gender, it's just that society puts so much pressure and guilt on those people so that can actually ruin their lives if the can not accept themselves as who they are and the emotions they have, because not everyone can sympathize because the don't have enough wisdom to understand. When it comes to society and people, some places are seriously lacking in empathy. For instance in Russia "unwanted" people actually persecuted in horrible ways, that also happened in Nazi Germany, but just to different kind of people and it was even more systematic and horrible due to man's ignorace and hatred.

I don't think that persons like that have confused souls, they chose their lives with those experiences so that they could grow more through hardships. The soul has no gender, but as persons we are attracted towards different places and people.

Everyone has their lessons to solve in this current life, they are just different kind of lessons. Nothing in the creation happens by chance.
Hi Wind
I do not want to spend too much time because this might be off topic... but it does concern reincarnation.

I have a brother in law who is gay...Jean... and we also have quite a few close gay friends who are in our family circle... 2 who are actually officially married and even have adopted children... we love them very much.

We have had many hours of chats and discussions together and they all have said that in some point in their lives they were confused and often lonely...

I specifically wanted to mention 'ruined' because there are many many cases where some have undergone surgical gender change which can never really be equivalent to an actual body of the gender they long to be in... at best it is a compromise.

These have spent years and years of wasted time trying to be the opposite gender when naturally they were meant to be what they were born to be... many have been confused and undercover all their lives.

It is only recently that gay rights has managed, to some extent, to make this condition more widely known and accepted by many... although not by many who preach love of humanity.

In my understanding no one is born to be homosexual/gay/lesbian to learn a lesson by it... it is one of life's anomalies... it is an effect of mindset... and it is most certainly against logical and natural norms... at best it is a dis-ease... and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that anal sex is abnormal when sex is primarily a reproduction tool for allowing 'souls' to occupy bodies for the purposes of consciousness growth.

There are many things involved here... which include chakra imbalance, skandha properties and a host of other reasons for turning to, or becoming homosexuality.
Life is not perfect... we can see this in nature in the plant and animal kingdom, as well as in the defects which some humans are born with.

We could spend hours debating these issues and never agree with one another because, in itself, it is a foreign activity in the human kingdom... and the notable thing is that it is even found in the animal kingdom which gives us the best clue that it might be related to sacral chakra sexual energy imbalance.

In my opinion there are a few things we should accept... however:

Everyone has a right to life.

Everyone has a right to be who or what they desire provided it does not encroach on the equal rights of others.

Unconditional love sees no error in what another human does because it is very possible that what some consider to be 'bad' could very well have been what they got up to in a previous life.

This is why I am against gay rights, as a separate agenda... because true human rights should automatically include the rights of all human desires provided they do not interfere with that of another.

With love
Ray

[Finefeather]

We are not ignorant beings.
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Just the way it is, no condemnation required. No mountain of karma to work off from apeman days, none of that.

Hi darthtoaster
Humans are certainly ignorant especially in respect of what world and life truth is all about.

Now I am obviously talking generally and not specifically about every human, because there are many who know.

If humans discarded all what they believe, and all what they have read, and all what they have heard, and all what they have guessed, and all what they have conjured up in their imaginations... and relied ONLY on what they actually know about truth and life and reality... they would in themselves know almost nothing useful... certainly nothing which even resembles reality... they would only be marginally more advanced that even the more advanced primates.

Knowing how to build a computer or a rocket ship that takes us to the moon has no significance when it comes to knowledge of what is required for us to advance to our true goal... which is life in the next higher world.
In this world computers and rocket ships are about as obsolete as the most obsolete object we can read about... because in this world we can move around to planets and other worlds by thought... we can build for ourselves things which humans have yet to even know is possible.

Lets just take your statement above... "No mountain of karma to work off from apeman days" and examine it.

Did you know that these apemen, you refer to, were actually us... living right now in the 21st century...20 million years ago... and we are still sitting around fighting and building machines to kill each with... we still use fire in many places to warm ourselves with... we still go out and hunt and kill animals for food with primitive weapons... many are still as barbaric today, as they were 20 million years ago... simply because they are ignorant of life's truths and ignorant of how this Cosmos really is constructed and what the real purpose of life is... so much has consciousness advanced since then... almost insignificant.

We praised ourselves and were amazed when, for example, some scientist declared that the atom has been discovered... when this is not even close to the real physical atom yet... never mind the fact that there are still 48 levels of manifested worlds which have higher levels of atomic matter than this mundane gross dense physical world.

The majority of humans have millions of years to go before they naturally and on their own begin to understand the true nature of life...and now we are in a debate as to whether reincarnation is a trap or not!... a debate which can never be concluded... especially when those who have the most to say about reincarnation been a trap, are ignorant of life. and who have themselves been caught up in the very trap they insist everyone else is caught up in.

The biggest trap is thinking reincarnation is a trap because the dark forces do not want us to grow beyond their boundaries of reach... so they can control the ignorant.

These forces known as our dark brothers...The Dark Lodge... are not some alien race with a crooked agenda... they are humans like you and I who have themselves trapped themselves in the dark astral worlds by their own doing...they are desperate to prevent us from advancing our real knowledge and so influence the weak and the gullible to write books and tell lies about reality... and you know... they are so good at it that even the very people who they have got to... have no idea they are been used as puppets for their agenda.

I may sound like a stuck record to many, but there is only one way of achieving our goal of reaching this higher world, were love and unity is shared by many... and that is by serving one another and forgetting about our own needs... because if we did this ALL will be considered and ALL will be cared for... and ALL can advance in consciousness and true love... it is that easy... yet we complicate it so with imaginative minds and fictitious science and egos which have only themselves in mind...separation.

Take care now
Ray

[greybeard]

All I can say for sure is that I am aware I exist.
This does not need conformation in any way.
I exist without the need of anything or anybody to confirm this.
What I am seems not to be affected in anyway by external events or thoughts, which come unasked, therefore not mine.
I cant prove that there is or is not a reincarnation trap---logic and rational seems to point to reincarnation being a process of evolution of consciousness.

Chris

[loveoflife]

It seems to me that if we truly have free will, we can do what we want. I have no intention of coming back.
I feel "cured" of this reality. I'm not claiming to be spiritually advanced, but there has to be an alternative to this meat grinder in order to get to where we want to be.
I can't think of a day recently which I haven't thought about getting out of this place. This world holds no attraction for me, I don't like it here. Why would I want to come back?
Forced reincarnation? Who is forcing us? I want to have a little chat with whomever this is.
There's got to be a loophole somewhere.

We do have free will, it appears we are not forced to into being recycled, more like tricked through deceit and half truths. As above so below.

As with all things the way out of this situation (the loophole) is awareness, ignorance is basis of the control system. Knowledge is power.

I hear that those who seek to control us and our destiny have to inform us of what they are doing, because of free will they need our consent. To do this they use mediums like Hollywood and fiction, the truth is out there, its all published, its just finding in in a mountain of trivia.

The chat will come, though i would not believe what they say any more than i would trust the government.

[loveoflife]

My past lives also refer to my experiences in this incarnation. I can choose to create myself anew in every moment. I would like my fresh starts to be informed and based on experience. Having a memory wipe followed by by indoctrination into a false matrix reality is not a good start when unlearning all those lies takes the better part of a lifetime.

I would like my fresh starts to be informed and based on truth.

[Ted]

We do have free will, it appears we are not forced to into being recycled, more like tricked through deceit and half truths. As above so below.Interesting point, which begs the question of what they use to entice souls into coming back. I can see promises of material gain, pleasures or affection working on many, but there has to be more. Perhaps the promise of rapid spiritual advancement is among their enticements.
I can see where knowledge and discernment would make for a difficult recruitment effort.

[greybeard]

From Transient information--all credit to them.
http://www.transients.info/


Carl Sagan: “Reincarnation Deserves Serious Study.” Years Later & The Results Are In

http://www.transients.info/2015/06/carl-sagan-reincarnation-deserves.html#more

Chris

[BF88]

I haven't read everyone's replies so perhaps something like this has already been mentioned. From a conversation with a 'trapper', inside one of the reincarnation centres or implant stations that is mentioned in the eye of ra by truman cash, I was informed that it is done so that you can build upon the success of your life here and what you have learned etc. This could include a number of things please don't assume success means financial success!
Now, according to this trapper (non physical insect looking thing) there are 'natural' beings of this planet that I am assuming will just be recycled upon physical death, perhaps until the time is right, something that is commonly known as ascension although don't take my word for it.
For others that are coming here from elsewhere (higher dimensional souls or beings however you want to describe it) with a particular objective in mind before incarnating physically the situation may be different. I can't honestly comment on the others what will or wont happen to them as I have no knowledge of it nor have I had any communication about them, it is merely an assumption.

I could also be insane / have been lied to. In what you may call a higher dimension, before coming here (way before physical incarnation) at a certain point I was told that everything beyond here is an illusion. Please interpret this as widely as possible as some of you will probably know vibrations made in the throat (language) as a form of communication is not the norm in such a situation.

I'm pretty sure it is that way for me though, having come from elsewhere as in a higher dimension / non physical place my objective for this (my first) incarnation is more or less done. This does mean though that I am just waiting to die!

Gatita, your belief system could have played a role in what you saw. These beings do this to make experiences like this easier for you.

[Flash]

Fear is not healthy it does much damage to the body Fight or flight response is different.
Fear freezes, immobilises.
The mind can produce fear out of the unreal.
What you are does not have a shadow aspect---you are The Unborn---as you said you were not created.
The more times spent thinking "I am That" the better.
Time spent identifying with the I, me, and mine is counter productive if you are serious about full spiritual awakening
Enlightenment does not come about without focus on awareness--which is what we are.
Attention to the present moment the eternal now--not dwelling on how the so called person was trapped into arriving here.
Not spending time thinking about being trapped again in the future.

The ego can not stand the present moment---it will take you back and forward--past future.
Its quite fond of fear---Im special, separate, as I can deal with this and that better than others.

In truth people do as best they can.

Best wishes
Chris

It is sooo good to read you Chris, it brings me back down to earth while holding to the eternal truth.

I should definitely glance over here more often. Refreshing.

Also, thanks Finefeather for your constant input - that you are understood or not. You are a truth seeker, and this is appearant and helpful all over.

Darthtoaster, you often mention the ascending solution. I rather see it as the "descending" solution, having our true self, the higher side of us, descending in the body, in the 3D, to immerse it into the truth. Ascension as to do with the wished, then descending has to do with the process, imo. And
become a standalone energetic being.
as you say.

[John T]

NDE researcher, Kenneth Ring, found that what people experience during an NDE, specifically who they see as the being of light, conforms to their own personal belief system.

[John T]

The idea that reincarnation is a soul trap was also proposed in the Fifth Neruda Interview from 1998.
https://www.wingmakers.com/content/neruda-interviews/
(https://www.wingmakers.com/content/neruda-interviews/)

[loveoflife]

NDE researcher, Kenneth Ring, found that what people experience during an NDE, specifically who they see as the being of light, conforms to their own personal belief system.

That is also true for this Earthly reality. As above so below.

[darthtoaster]

When we view the reincarnation system as a trap, and it could easily be characterized this way, it is personally disempowering. Its one reason I avoid the Neruda interview. There's a lot of truth in it, but ultimately it has us waiting on that crack in the wall that is being opened, and the Sovereign Integral idea and so on. Everything has us waiting, stalling us until the finishing touches are put in place. It will be between 2017 and 2023 when the Event takes place, or the hackers create the crack in the wall of control, or some new "benevolent" alien species is introduced, or we must make room for one of 60 billion souls to incarnate and work off their apeman karma or or or ...

Your time is now if you choose it. The rest is distraction. I don't like to be so blunt but the time is now. The natural miscarriage rate around the world is about 40%. Abortions take even more. Disease, accidents and wars take many when they are young. The idea of "you" reaching a stage like this by which you can comfortably speak of these things on a computer and contemplate ideas with a full stomach and no one with guns just outside your door are rather bad. But ... you made it to this point. Its an opportunity. Every moment is an opportunity. It makes no rational sense to be distracted. Now now now .... time is of the essence.

[BF88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s0c62noJgM

What is said in this video is pretty much what I was getting at with vision of certain things in line with peoples belief systems.

[Caliban]

When we view the reincarnation system as a trap, and it could easily be characterized this way, it is personally disempowering. Its one reason I avoid the Neruda interview. There's a lot of truth in it, but ultimately it has us waiting on that crack in the wall that is being opened, and the Sovereign Integral idea and so on. Everything has us waiting, stalling us until the finishing touches are put in place. It will be between 2017 and 2023 when the Event takes place, or the hackers create the crack in the wall of control, or some new "benevolent" alien species is introduced, or we must make room for one of 60 billion souls to incarnate and work off their apeman karma or or or ...

Your time is now if you choose it. The rest is distraction. I don't like to be so blunt but the time is now. The natural miscarriage rate around the world is about 40%. Abortions take even more. Disease, accidents and wars take many when they are young. The idea of "you" reaching a stage like this by which you can comfortably speak of these things on a computer and contemplate ideas with a full stomach and no one with guns just outside your door are rather bad. But ... you made it to this point. Its an opportunity. Every moment is an opportunity. It makes no rational sense to be distracted. Now now now .... time is of the essence.


I presume you meant to write "the Odds of you reaching a stage like this..."

You express the above ideas very cogently. We're constantly being told, especially in spiritual and new age circles that we're to wait on some contingency or other. But you are absolutely right, to me. It's always now. God or Source gave us all we need to awaken, to be fully who we are. Salute.

[Ted]

I think we'll keep reincarnating until we fully wake up from this delusion. Simple as that. We're stuck in an unreality, even after death. It doesn't matter if we ascend to the next dimension either; same BS, new box.
I concur, the time is now.

Ted

[Caliban]

I think we'll keep reincarnating until we fully wake up from this delusion. Simple as that. We're stuck in an unreality, even after death. It doesn't matter if we ascend to the next dimension either; same BS, new box.
I concur, the time is now.
Ted


Funny, after I read this I got an image in my mind of a person sick in bed and dreaming wild, unruly dreams of tribulations, ecstasies, entanglements, escapes, etc... This person's friend is watching over him and when he comes out of the sickness tells him "wow, you were really out of it. You were ranting about being caught up in this, that and the other thing." This guy says "Yeah, it felt so real...."

Goes back to Chuang Tzu and his butterfly, I suppose. He said one day we'll all wake up and realize that this is all a great dream. Can we know what that means - if we're sleeping?

[loveoflife]

I think we'll keep reincarnating until we fully wake up from this delusion. Simple as that. We're stuck in an unreality, even after death. It doesn't matter if we ascend to the next dimension either; same BS, new box.
I concur, the time is now.
Ted


Funny, after I read this I got an image in my mind of a person sick in bed and dreaming wild, unruly dreams of tribulations, ecstasies, entanglements, escapes, etc... This person's friend is watching over him and when he comes out of the sickness tells him "wow, you were really out of it. You were ranting about being caught up in this, that and the other thing." This guy says "Yeah, it felt so real...."

Goes back to Chuang Tzu and his butterfly, I suppose. He said one day we'll all wake up and realize that this is all a great dream. Can we know what that means - if we're sleeping?

Synchronicity.


“There are a thousand things which prevent a man from awakening, which keep him in the power of his dreams. In order to act consciously with the intention of awakening, it is necessary to know the nature of the forces which keep man in a state of sleep. First of all it must be realized that the sleep in which man exists is not normal but hypnotic sleep. Man is hypnotized and this hypnotic state is continually maintained and strengthened in him. One would think that there are forces for whom it is useful and profitable to keep man in a hypnotic state and prevent him from seeing the truth and understanding his position.”

- G. I. Gurdjieff

[Chester]

Bumpity Boo

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82914-The-Reincarnation-Trap&p=969693&viewfull=1#post969693

[Ewan]

Bumpity Boo

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82914-The-Reincarnation-Trap&p=969693&viewfull=1#post969693

Yeah, it's a dilemna isn't it. You can twist yourself into a pretzel thinking about it. I think this is where the importance of self-discovery becomes so pressing.

If we spend our lives looking out and trying to make sense of what we see we are doomed to failure; ultimately nothing out there makes sense, if all is illusion within a 3-dimensional world how could it make sense. Gazing inwards will reveal roads not marked upon the map, go off-road, off-map. :)

Who do we talk to in the internal dialogues we all take part in? Where was the ego born? Who is the 'watcher on the horizon'. Who are YOU?

I don't think I have ever responded in this thread before, but it certainly troubled me a great deal when I noticed many suggesting the light was a trap. I can't imagine a greater psy-op than that to keep you in the dark. Then, what if it is a Machivelian play, with twists and double bluffs.

No-one can tell you the answer, one must explore undiscovered lands to see where the truth lays. (..and I hate it - given that procrastination and avoidance have been my two majors).

[Catsquotl]

Bumpity Boo

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82914-The-Reincarnation-Trap&p=969693&viewfull=1#post969693

What do you want to discuss?
I read nothing there that proves reincarnation or a trap. Just how an energetic event leaves it's mark. Just a part of it like a broken record going over and over the same piece of information on the vinyl. Nothing that states the soul of the bear is present, nothing that the soul of the hunter was there. Just their final battle stuck as an energetic imprint.

With Love
Eelco

[Hervé]

Ian Stevenson's legacy: A case for life after death (http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&amp;page=article-details&amp;code_title=171356)

Dr. Prasanna Cooray The Island (http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=171356)
Fri, 08 Sep 2017 20:08 UTC


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Dr. Ian Stevenson © Society for Psychical Research


Over half a century ago, in 1966, when Prof. Ian Stevenson first published his seminal work "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation" (University of Virginia Press) it took the world by storm. It not only gave a tremendous boost to the religions that believe in reincarnation (and rebirth), but sought to provide a scientific foundation to the notion. After a scrupulous study of over 3,000 cases of "rebirth" Stevenson handpicked 20 cases of those to suggest, if not prove, the case of "reincarnation".

This fact was succinctly captured by Prof. Curt John Ducasse, parapsychologist and then Chairman of publications committee of the American Society for Physical Research, in the foreword he wrote to Stevenson's "Twenty cases ...". The closing line of his missive read as:
The twenty cases..., which Dr. Stevenson personally investigated, reports on, and discusses ..., are not claimed by him to settle that question; but they do put it before the reader sharply and, because of this, are fully as interesting and important as are the more numerous cases suggesting discarnate survival, to which physical research has given close and lengthy attention. Although the notions of reincarnation, rebirth (and karma) existed in the Eastern cultures from time immemorial it was alien and superstitious to the Western (Judeo-Christian) cultures. Over 5,000 years old Vedic philosophy and the religions like Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism that originated in Indian subcontinent (and have roots into Vedism and Sramanism), all believe in reincarnation (or rebirth). Besides, ancient Egyptian, Roman, Native American, African, Oceanic religions, Confucianism, Taoism and even the Jewish tradition of Kabbalah accepted reincarnation. But it sounded strange in the Western culture, especially at the time when Stevenson first proposed it. Further, coming from a medical professional, trained in modern scientific paradigm, it raised many eyebrows among the scientific community across the world.

Reincarnation and Rebirth
Fundamentally, "reincarnation" differs from "rebirth" for a number of reasons. Nevertheless, reincarnation was the term preferred by Stevenson to describe the phenomenon he postulated.

From a philosophical perspective, the term "reincarnation" (also called "transmigration") denotes the continuation of an individual's soul from one human body to another. Indian Journal of Psychiatry defines reincarnation as "the religious or philosophical concept that the "Atman" (or "soul"), after biological death, begins a new life in a new body that may be human, animal or spiritual depending on the moral quality of the previous life's actions".

Although the essence, in terms of transfer of some form of "energy" from one being to another, is the same, the process differs between Hindu and Buddhist thinking. This Stevenson describes in his book as "Buddhists, especially of the Theravada branch, do not believe in the persistence of a permanent entity or soul. There is a constant flux of desire, action, effect and reaction, but no persisting soul. When a person dies, the accumulated effects of his actions set in motion a further train of events which leads to other consequences, one of which may be the terrestrial birth of another personality". He further elaborates, "If the first personality has achieved detachment from sensuous desires, a birth into another "plane" may occur instead of a new terrestrial birth. But this newly born personality will relate to the first one only as the flame of a candle (before it finally extinguishes) can light another candle's flame. Buddhists often prefer the term "rebirth" to "reincarnation" to emphasize this distinction".

Fifty years down the line, in retrospect, a revisit of Stevenson - as persona as well as his memorabilia - is important to the modern medical science for quite a few reasons. Medical science of today, that has become increasingly "reductionist" and "materialistic" over the years, has seemingly dissociated from the social and spiritual aspects, as if it had reached a point of no return. The focus has moved towards the individual cell vis-à-vis the individual self.

This, in clinical practice, is apparent in the dependency on and the overzealous use of technology. The emphasis on cell and molecular biology has marched on at a pace unparalleled to the advances in bioethics, and in the opposite direction. The practice of clinical medicine has come to be influenced and dictated by the pharmaceutical and clinical investigation industries as it was never before. All these are but a few reasons that warrant a revisit of the spiritual dimension of health, down the Stevenson memory lane.

Ian Stevenson (1918 - 2007)
Ian Pretyman Stevenson was born on 31 October 1918 in Montreal Canada. His father was a lawyer turned journalist. His mother was a learned woman who had a special interest in mystical and occultist theories and practices, and maintained a reasonably good personal library at home. Young Ian was a voracious reader of these books, and developed an early interest in theosophy. He often fell sick from bronchitis during his childhood necessitating long layoffs from school. This too sharpened his reading habit, which continued till his death.

Stevenson received his medical degree from McGill University in Canada in 1943. Later he qualified as a psychiatrist, and taught first at Louisiana State University School of Medicine and then at University of Virginia School of Medicine, for over 50 years, where he was a professor and head of the department.

From early medical student days Stevenson disliked "reductionism" that is deeply ingrained in the established standard medical education. Instead he developed a likening to the areas such as psychosomatic disorders and psychoanalysis, which later propelled him towards psychiatry.

In 1967, a year after the release of "Twenty cases ...", Stevenson founded the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual Studies (originally called, Personality Studies),whose mission is to study "the phenomena that suggest that currently accepted scientific assumptions and theories about the nature of mind or consciousness and its relation to matter, may be incomplete".

Stevenson's special interest was in "paranormal" studies that include areas as diverse as metaphysics, anomalous research, psychic and intuitive studies to extrasensory perception (ESP), telekinesis, ghosts, life after death, reincarnation, faith healing, human auras etc. In 1982, he co-founded the Society for Scientific Exploration, whose mandate includes peer reviewed research on areas such as consciousness, alternative energy and spiritual healing, and it scope extends into fringe sciences that include areas that depart significantly from the mainstream knowledge and are considered to be questionable according to the conventional wisdom.

Stevenson held the ideas that emotions, memories, and even physical injuries in the form of birthmarks can be transferred from one life to another. His masterpiece was the "Reincarnation and Biology: A Contribution to the Etiology of Birthmarks and Birth Defects" which was published in 1997. Running into two volumes this 2,268 page tome reported two hundred cases of birthmarks that seemed to correspond to a wound on the deceased person whose life the child recalled. (A shorter version of this, entitled "Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect", he published in 1997). He also believed that certain phobias, philias, unusual abilities and illnesses could not be fully explained by heredity or the environment alone. And he believed that reincarnation provided a third type of explanation for most of these inexplicable phenomena.

Enquiries into Reincarnation
As later reported in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), in a case of reincarnation, a child, usually at the age of two or three, will begin talking persistently of things, places and people about which the parents are thoroughly ignorant.

The child may even behave quite differently from other siblings. This will appear very strange in terms of the circumstances of his upbringing. Finally, the child himself may relate all this to a previous life he claims to remember having led, sometimes in a neighboring place or in a distant place.

This will be very trying for the parents, who along with friends of the family, start make enquiries about persons presumed to be dead to whom the child's statements might apply. If they find the family that appears to be the basis of the statements, a contact will be made. Then they will get additional information. Some of this information verifies and some contradicts the child's statements. At the end of the inquiry, the child may be taken to the family he claims was his original family. As time goes on, both the families may make arrangements for a reunion. The child takes his parents and others through complicated streets and alleys. He may show somnambulistic precision. He leads the group directly to the place where he claims to have lived or worked in his former life. He then greets various persons who have come to witness this reunion. He calls them by their names and behaves appropriately. The child's likes and dislikes special idiomatic phrases; nicknames and names for objects in his previous life are recollected.

All these cases have some common ingredients. There are repeated statements of a young child's identification with an earlier person. These children who remember lost lives present information about this person in the form of memories or people known to him. They request to return to their previous homes and present familiar behaviour in the apparently strange environment. They address the alleged relatives with appropriate emotional responses. Most of these memories vanish between the ages of seven and nine. All these could suggest some continuity of personality hidden in the subliminal self.

In "Cases of the Reincarnation Type, Vol. II: Ten Cases in Sri Lanka" Dr. Stevenson recorded a case of a newborn girl who screamed whenever she was carried near a bus or a bath. When she was old enough to talk she recounted a previous life as a girl of 8 or 9 who drowned after a bus knocked her into a flooded rice paddy field. Later investigation found the family of just such a dead girl living four or five kilometers away. (Excerpt from the Stevenson obituary written by Margalit Fox to the New York Times of 18 February 2007).

Mixed reactions
Quite expectedly, Stevenson's hypothesis was met with mixed reactions. Many scientists spurned Stevenson's claim as "pseudo-science". However, if one peeps into these criticisms leveled against Stevenson, they would find that most were made on the premises such as Stevenson's inadequate knowledge about the local cultures and credibility of the interpreters than the falsity of his methodology or "hollowness" of his argument.

Among Stevenson's admirers was Chester Carlson, the inventor of photocopier, who later financed Stevenson's researches as Carlson himself believed that he got the inspiration for his invention paranormally.

Margalit Fox in a Stevenson obituary to the New York Times wrote, "Dr. Stevenson was to his supporters a misunderstood genius, bravely pushing the boundaries of science. To his detractors, he was earnest, dogged but ultimately misguided, led astray by gullibility, wishful thinking and a tendency to see science where others saw superstition".

Stevenson was a fervent traveler. He had traveled as much as 55,000 miles a year on his research undertakings across all continents. In an obituary titled "Professor Ian Stevenson, an emperor in parapsychology" the BMJ commented , "It was not an arm chair research but literally a 'shoe leather research'. Traveling across the east and west, he has been living as a world citizen for the last forty years".

Stevenson's association with Sri Lanka
Among the twenty cases Stevenson reported in his groundbreaking publication, three were from Sri Lanka (then Ceylon). Out of the 17 other cases, seven each were from India and Alaska. There were two cases from Brazil and one from Lebanon.

Among the cases documented from Sri Lanka, one was of Gnanathilaka from Hedunawewa who was Thilakarathne from Thalawakele in her previous birth. Thilakarathne died 15 months before the birth of Gnanathilaka. The second was of Wijerathne of Uggalkaltota, who claimed to have been reborn into his own family as his previous birth's brother's son. Wijerathne, in his previous birth was identified as Rathran Hami, his father's brother. The third was of Ranjith Makalanda of Kotte. Ranjith, even as a toddler with a strong affinity to the Western way of life, was claimed to have been an Englishman in his previous birth.

Since 1961, Stevenson had been a frequent visitor to Sri Lanka on his research work. Ven. Balangoda Ananda Maitreya Thero was a close acquaintance of Stevenson, and had helped him in research. Based on further cases of reincarnation reported in Sri Lanka, Stevenson published another book titled "Cases of the Reincarnation Type, Vol. II: Ten Cases in Sri Lanka" (University of Virginia Press), published in 1978. "Cases of the Reincarnation Type" was a series of publications that ran into four volumes. Volume I reported 10 cases from India (1975). And the Volumes III and IV published 12 cases apiece from Lebanon and Turkey (1980); and Thailand and Burma (1983), respectively.

Among the other notable works of Stevenson are the "Telepathic Impressions: A Review and Report of 35 New Cases" (1970), "Unlearned Language: New Studies in Xenoglossy" (1984), "Children Who Remember Previous Lives: A Question of Reincarnation" (revised edition) (2000) and "European Cases of the Reincarnation Type" (2003).

Stevenson died peacefully on 08 February 2007, leaving behind a legacy of himself as a man who defied the mainstream thinking for a cause his consciousness felt was right.


Related:
Philosophy professor on Ian Stevenson's reincarnation research: 'It's irrational to disbelieve it' (https://www.sott.net/article/347889-Philosophy-professor-on-Ian-Stevensons-reincarnation-research-Its-irrational-to-disbelieve-it)

Past life recall as evidence of reincarnation (https://www.sott.net/article/342732-Past-life-recall-as-evidence-of-reincarnation)

3-year-old boy from Uttar Pradesh, India says his real family from a previous life is in Punjab (http://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/viral-and-trending/130917/3-year-old-from-up-claims-real-family-from-his-previous-life-is-in-punjab.html)

3-year-old remembers past life, identifies murderer and location of body (https://www.sott.net/article/279440-3-year-old-remembers-past-life-identifies-murderer-and-location-of-body)

[Spiral]

Stevenson held the ideas that Stevenson held the ideas that emotions, memories, and even physical injuries in the form of birthmarks can be transferred from one life to another. in the form of birthmarks can be transferred from one life to another.

I have to agree with this from personal experience, in all three forms (emotions, memories, and even physical injuries in the form of birthmarks ) the emotions can be very intense, the memories are kind of obvious for what they are (they are not like dreams or daily life memories, they have a "flavour" all their own), esp when further research can put names & places to them, and the physical can be strange non specific ailments, things like a dicky knee or frozen shoulder or even faint "scar" like marks of serious / mortal wounds.

I started getting past life recall about the age of 7 or 8, before I could read, the first one being a Jew in the old city of York & getting chased, hiding & then being run through with a pike (like a spear), I remembered this in dreams over successive nights, and then discovered a white triangular scar like mark on my abdomen, which has faded over the decades but is still just about visible, and I've had IBS my entire life too.

Later I found there was a massacre of Jews in York, it's not something anyone is proud of so there is not a lot said about it, there is a plaque there now put there by a Jewish group if I remember rightly.

http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/norman/the-1190-massacre

Cheers to FL for pointing me in the direction of this thread :highfive:

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the link, Spiral. So much is left out of our history! :bigsmile:

[Bo Atkinson]

Hello Avalonians. Stopping by today i saw this thread title which relates well to my own slant in studies. Thanks all for your thoughts which deserve more attention, perhaps later. For now i wish to share my recently found source. By contrast to many years of searching elsewhere, i came across a most resourceful set of books which actually caught my attention, in part because of this particular "trap issue".

From my backyard scientist mentality, i had already wondered: Why would life relentlessly recycle so unproductively, especially in light of the global genocidal evidence, embedded in the massive ecocide, currently in progress. As we have observed extreme malice of forethought, in these past 20 years. Thence, what use is it reincarnating for centuries of rotting decline, forever. Do i have to go through this endlessly? Is it a frame job? Where is the more adventurous paths to better worlds of light?

Add to this point, well taken, my newly found author, of the series, (to be introduced below), along with his life long dream vision guides, further points out that the visible trend, especially tabulated over the last 60 years, within my own life, have steadily indicated declines of all the vital signs, of ecosystems. Such that it becomes obvious, that reincarnation would occur in worse, increasingly deformed bodies, should one return to earth, for successional rebirth cycles, in coming decades and centuries, (all sorts of malicious harms, gods or not). Hmm i thought, why have not other authors harped on this, specifically, instead of the usual goodie white shoe stuff out there? My mind got blown away, (blown in a good way). Therefore i continued to read on, beyond all the reader blocks.

This book series does contain intentional reader blocks. These books block out matrix controlled minds which cannot see the controls for the entrained thoughts, therein. In my own life, i had managed to integrate and balance sufficient data inputs, from widely diverse sources, luckily without total blow outs. Rather i got just enough jolts to keep clunking onward, energized by the blasts, instead of the bindings. One block is the ultra Americanized, incorrect grammar, (past participial rule, etc..). Another major block is the repetition of concepts, sometimes whole repetitions and sometimes with specific, new contexts. If one hates sincere clarification of intentions, hates the chorus lines, well let that be so. Let them happily find another activity. Another major block is the particular Amarican-ized poetic tracts related to the authors gifted experiences. It is all clean fun for the adventurous of spirit... Now then, is great adventure a fourth block for some folks? Yet another block is the excruciating test for reader humility, in case a reader is not strong enough to tolerate what might or might-not be egoistical writing. I allowed this antenna to probe, but steadily gained respect for the author's authenticity. My main conviction ultimately came from my own dream vision, period! My dreams really cleared up progressively, for me, despite extraneousness, interfering circumstances in my life. I like big results.

I am fairly tolerant in general, but i must admit that these blocks initially raised my skeptical antenna, very high. After some good yawns and "sleeping on it", the next days continued with non-stop reading, for more than 10 hours per day, for 3 weeks. I manage this rate through TTS or text-to-speech-on-mp3-players. I steadily read through all 9 PDF books and the preliminary courses, all in this period. Naturally after a book or two, i could see the reader blocks as filters or firewalls, to spare the unprepared, to let them go their own way. I have to add that i was already a voracious reader of deeper material which easily converts to mp3s, (because much disc space is conserved, with mp3 and one can also word search the original text intermittently.) My daily ruralist routine of working on the land, fixing machines, etc.., allows my deeper mind to process all such heavy mental corroboration. My body reliably runs a lot of my usual routines on automatic, which feeds me and it exercises the muscles, breaths the air, absorbs the soil probiotics, absorbs sun or rain, also while driving my clunky car on errands, etc, etc... I am grateful for the empowering balance, which can be attained. I enjoyed the challenge with simplified, American-ized language.

The main point of these books happens to alert people, of the choice in the matter of free will guided reincarnation along with immediate advances in all of life's cognitions... It is a "how to guidance method", only for those who can read some of the books with interest, for the deeper meanings and then sing the simple NU~U~U~U sounds, before bedtime, in order to call upon guidance through dream visions. (Singing really challenged my own humility, heh, heh). This calls the real guides instead of the matrix guides, (who are the majority of guides out there, IMHO). The PDF "NUBOOK THREE THE REAL FAR COUNTRY" can be web searched. Here is one randomly selected bit of text from the Book Three. (I happened to read these books in a sequence based upon title words and not the numbered sequence).

" ... The Authoritarians, have planned for centuries to have complete control of everyone, along with their emotional and mental states, because The Gods of Men, must have their share of the prize from where they sit. There is no mistake about any of this.”
“All the new laws and rules will be justified in some particular and creative way, and many of them will be cloaked through the various systems of authority, so the public will not even know they were enacted. Here is an example of cause and effect in action, as all the players in these scenarios will continually return to perform their unaware roles until such time when they have had enough. Then, they will each start there own journey into Reality. So, all of this education is so the two of you will stay clear of all the traps that have been laid for the unaware,” he said. Rebazar BOOK THREE 2013.pdf. page 231

"..... The Real Universal Guides, have the ability over life and death, and therefore nothing can interfere with them, because they know the use of The SoundWave. After leaving their bodies they rise at once above all physical, all material worlds, above all the heavens of man and The Space Gods of Authority, and take up their residence wherever they wish. They are now able to move into the higher duties that are assigned to them by The Great Reality, The ALLIS. The future for the two of you is set, because, you will leave when most people will not expect it. You will have done what you came to do, and then you will be gone from here." Rebazar Page 252 BOOK THREE 2013.pdf

" .... This NUBirth, is what the theologians term as the descent of the Holy Spirit Ghost, but their terminology or The Real Connection with THE ALLIS is gone, and no longer has any value or worth. But, it does appeal to those that are of an intellectual nature, and tend to follow some sort of lower authority of total control. Besides, theirs is the negative rays from The KalGod, and not The RealLight Connection. The Real Illumination, is united to an infinite love for What IS Real, The ALLIS. This illuminated flame, this simultaneous love and knowledge, when born, rises and grows until finally through a kind of personal ecstasy, our Whole Being is enkindled with a supreme desire to reach The Seventh Level, and those world's beyond it up to The ALLIS.... " Rebazar Page 257 BOOK THREE 2013.pd

“After any proposition has been approved to be true, The RealGuides established no authority except that of Truth Itself. They know that any authority hampers RealTruth and interferes with any free investigation, and any real progress that can be made. For those of an intellectual nature, RealTruth may not seem to be apparent, but to those that are simpler in their common sense of Life and naturally savvy, they usually pick up the understanding of what The Real Guides are teaching, and rather quickly.” Rebazar Page 303 BOOK THREE 2013.pd

".... And so the question arises, where would man have gotten his evil tendencies from, if The Supreme Reality is all The Perfectness there is? The answer is simple, from his own creative nature and The Invented Gods, plus the authority figures he has voted for and proclaimed to be his masters.”
“This can simply be explained by pointing out that, all that which is negative or evil, darkness and without light, ignorance and misunderstanding exists only in the lower worlds and levels. This is why, it is so important to know about the different levels and worlds that exist above the first level. The systems of the world, have pointed to a heaven above and then earth below, and then a purgatory below that. The followers of these limited systems have come to believe that the information that is held by these institutions is the ultimate truth, which is actually a fallacy. Everyone should know how they were subjected to the negative side of things in the first place. One such way, is because of the creation of the mother goddess, the feminine principle, the destroying principle of all things, not in the same sense that man usually believes, because destruction is necessary on the earth. The Kali Gods, must exist or man would be overpopulated and nature would never be in balance. This explains the opposites in the lower worlds; they must exist because of what exists here. So, once a person realizes this, they can stop fighting with nature and simply learn to rise above it and learn about the other levels of Life.” Rebazar Page 306 BOOK THREE 2013.pd

Hours later: Links deleted in case of possible policy infringement.
Word searches on web will actually reveal a variety of sources for this book.

[Foxie Loxie]

A different explanation for "evil"....that it arises from our own creative selves! Hmmmmm If I am understanding this correctly? Many thanks, wavydome for this post. :highfive:

[Bo Atkinson]

The last two quoted paragraphs used the word evil... I'm not very informed about Sanskrit meanings, but i expect that the example refers to the dualistic nature of Kali, creator and destruct or all in one goddess, because humans lack ability to harmonize a planet without the destruction cycle and without the evil to prop up a rationale for goodness. So we little people keep it all going, including a curious need for evil. Does that fit? I simply speculate ;) Thanks for the input, Foxie Loxie : )

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hello wavydome. Thanks for the interesting find. I did encounter the nine books you mentioned before, but still have to read them.

The author (D.H.) has put old knowledge in a new package (maybe?). And there is nothing wrong with that. Most of the names (like rodofpower, Rebazar and many others) come from a still existing religion (founded in 1965) which was another approach of "Sant Mat".
I have "a history" with this alternative religion (not Sant Mat). I am sure it holds a lot of positive information (if one can discern), but also quite a few "traps". The internet is full with positive as well as negative comments on it (as it usually goes).
For me personally it has been an incredible "schooling", and I have no regrets. Maybe one: that I stayed to long in that organization on false premises. I had made good friends, so it had become a social circle.

A lot of followers of the religion of sound and light have become unhappy with the way the religion evolved. So, quite a few "offshoots" happened, more than a handful over the past decennia. I am sure they all hold some truth.
It is always a good idea to make a distinction between the messenger and the message. Whatever works for you in those nine books, take it along on your personal spiritual journey. What does not resonate, better leave that behind.

In case you have never heard about David Lane, it may be a good idea to read his "making of a religion"-book. It can shed some light on the "past history" of your newly found resource.

All the best.

[Bo Atkinson]

Hello Keyholder,

I understand the the background and the difficulties, (as a 60’s generation person). I hated and suffered consequences of other varieties. Location and close contacts also dealt other cards. In the north east coastal area of the USA, i managed to slip between hard edges of scientology and head trippers, (which irritated all the professing contenders). I doubt there was a perfect detour, to the madness in this world.

As a do-it-yourself type, i gravitated to a stranded-island goal, in life, to find truth and freedom. According to DH, Twitchell’s books, (and plagiarism) was yet something more surprising, than Lane himself has considered possible. I appreciate his www writings and feel Lane, unknowingly perhaps, plays a vital role, but in a much larger situation, than he expresses. I doubt it would help scholars to consider such things, as the ivory tower requires certain “professional standards”, for employees and their retractable credibility.

I am just now retreading some lacking parts of my self eduction. In the 1960s, i glossed over Sanskrit sources. Instead i put greater efforts towards integrating scientific with world wide religious and artistic thinking. Ha ha, this is challenging, but i too, moved on, steadily. I want to elaborate on DH’s history, but add just a little for now.

If assurance that names can be stated, regarding all such “truth productions”, I have no fear to mention full author and org names, (along with expanded terminologies and links). For now, this quick brushing over is just introductory.

DH has a much deeper relation to Twitchell, than academia can generally penetrate. Our controlled schools discredit realities like telepathy, reality- simulators, multiverse and enlightened technologies. Despite that electronic telepathy is partly demonstrated. Besides there exists an understandable fear, that this tech could find it’s way into higher court systems, to really solve high crimes. Also, that free energy might explode the world with madmen, shooting off wildly, under re-stimulated traumas.

Much writing is needed with these subjects, but again I will attempt to abbreviat with a short word by DH. He lately refers to Paul as ‘Pall’, in order to emphasize a higher role being played out on earth. Surprisingly happening with the likes of that org which Pall founded. The San Mat players from the other side, (The Real Far Country, where Paul now operates). . . DH says, have set up the situation, through Pall to provide inroads, to our stodgy world, which only listens to promoted commotions, rather than by searching deeper consciousness for truths. DH elaborates on this in NU Book 9.

I was unaware of any of this stuff until September of last year. I avoided corporate styled truths after scientology, (as a distant part time student, from 1967-1978). So I missed Pall’s religion until all this came through to me, through NU books, www media and Skypes. My critical take comes through dream symbols, which frankly were vital to carry on with any of this. To make contacts with something beyond the confines of mind. To fill in a couple of missing steps, in the rock stairway, which i largely built through my long life travels. My head was already full of so many -ologies and -isms. My heart was searching for organic solutions. My gut was already telling me, that this planet is literally finished. My intuition was glad to try anything potent.


Addendum: As of June 2018, I am seeing a whole new side of the NU Presentation:
http://harmoniouspalette.com/Blog2018.html#june2018

[Merlinus]

Entering the light after you die, leads to the never ending reincarnation cycle .

TRICK OF THE LIGHT: THE LIGHT & TUNNEL TRAP

http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/light.shtml

[ExomatrixTV]

The Reincarnation Trap - David Icke:

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[TrumanCash]

The Reincarnation Trap - David Icke:

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THE REINCARNATION TRAP

So glad to see this subject going mainstream.

Yes, David Icke is correct on this subject. I covered this subject in 1996 in my second book, THE EYE OF RA. This is at the core of the matrix in which we Earth humans live.

I see this thread started with IN5D articles. I wrote an article about this in 2015 on IN5D here: https://in5d.com/past-life-research-with-chosen-ones-reveals-matrix/

I also posted this on Gab this morning: https://gab.com/TrumanCash I only make posts on Gab and Avalon.

Icke's video is also on Rumble: https://rumble.com/v26fhya-david-icke-laura-eisenhower-and-david-nino-rodriguez-the-reincarnation-trap.html

I uncovered this phenomenon through extensive past lives regressions (without using hypnotism) which eventually opened up the between lives areas that revealed the reincarnation manipulation by extra-terrestrials.

By effectively blocking memories and creating illusions these ETs have remained hidden from view. This is all exposed in THE EYE OF RA.

You can download my books free from my "Matrix Revealed" thread here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions
The chapter that I cover this specific subject is "IN-BETWEEN LIVES IMPLANTS &: OUT OF BODY ABDUCTIONS that starts of page 98 of the PDF.

[Michi]

The Reincarnation Trap - David Icke:

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Very good catch, John. This fits also well to the I think there's blanket Mind Control in operation (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120291-I-think-there-s-blanket-Mind-Control-in-operation.) thread.

[palehorse]

Here is something interesting that happened in the last few days, wife had a vision of her deceased father, he came to her but she could only see his hands and the old ring he used to wear.. it is a unique ring made by himself, there is no copies and no way anyone has the same ring, that was proof enough to her who was the mysterious man in her vision.

The second part of it, he was walking fast robbed as a monk (which he was for a few years) and reaching the mouth of a cave, she was following him, when he turned and told her to no follow him, to go back now, that's when she saw his face, she stopped and watch he gets into the cave which was on fire, he disappeared inside that cave.

She was crying when I saw her and I asked why she refused to tell first, but I insisted to know and that's it folks, she said it was so real, just like real life, an hologram in front of her.

I asked her if I could share it, she said it is ok.


p.s. I am not sure if I am on topic here, but I felt it is the correct thread to share such things.

[Franny]

Another point of view of reincarnation and why it might be advisable to exit.

Podcast guest 692 is guest Howdie Mickoski. during this podcast we talked about why we should not reincarnate, soul traps and his own death experience. Howdie Mickoski is the author of several books including: Exit the Cave-Ending the Reincarnation Trap, Exposing the Expositions, Falling For Truth, and The Power of Then. For over 25 years he has been exploring the subjects of the nature of reality, philosophy, ancient wisdom and history, as well as ideas of the shaman, far east, alchemy and hermeticism.

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[lisalu]

This is a subject that has had my attention for a very long time. Carlos Castaneda and Robert Monroe planted the seed in my mind years ago. And then this recent tricked by the light thing came about and now we see quite a few people going down this road. It's not a subject that you can talk about to most people so I keep it to myself. I will try to link a YouTube channel that I follow, he has a ton of videos and most of them are very long. I'll post a short one for you here. I'm self employed and work alone so I have the luxury of listening to whatever I want all day long.
Howdie Mickoski has a lot of interviews/ videos out there on this subject. His latest book, Exiting the Cave is worth the read. I'll also link a couple of other researchers on this subject. There's no real answers but there sure are a lot of questions. I look at it from every angle possible. This realm just gets more insane every single day and it seems like it is by design.

https://www.overwatchproject.com/

https://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MyjfHb_Csk


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Forever Conscious Research Channel

[Open Minded Dude]

Since Monroe was mentioned above I think this should not be missing here.

Here is the TMI talk where he explains that reasons why we are here and how deep we are trapped are different from soul to soul because we come here with different 'backgrounds'.

Examples are: curiousity (as it was in his case), on the run and hiding from other energy systems (that baffled me!), some are being 'paid' to be here and sent to do sth (also baffling for me), the missionary type (today we call them 'starseeds' ;) ), even s.o. wanting to help a friend (and getting enmeshed too), and some more.

It is true: All can get enmeshed somehow and then the 'escape velocity' is missing, but it is also said that some get 'human junkies' and really want to come back for another round out of their own will.

Personally I do not believe in a 'set-up' by evil entities, aliens or who/whatever. It might be or have been an educational place but it might have been messed up a little. Or it is intended to be messed up for the most difficult learning experience you can have (meaning all the lives you lead not just one).
I also think to 'escape' - if you 'want' to - you will have to align yourself with your highest essence (Higher Self, or Source itself) to gain the 'escape velocity' that will suffice.

Here is the first two parts where he mentions it already, (altogether it is more, very watchable if you ask me):

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[Open Minded Dude]

Btw, In part 3 he talks about that those who are 'graduates' (or escapees?) of the Earth systems are 'gods' in other energy systems because of what they learnt. Especially because we learnt to manipulate energy in a low-density environment. It is a training ground (prison or not, most of us DO train here).

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[ExomatrixTV]

The Biggest Conspiracy Ever Created - The Reincarnation Trap ... David Icke:

https://hugh.cdn.rumble.cloud/video/s8/2/R/e/3/m/Re3mp.gaa.mp4

@5:30 "You can sense thought, and you can feel vibes coming off the people. You are feeding energy to that lower astral" Yes. Have you thought how difficult it is for random people to make a difference between victims and perpetrators in this kind of reality? Like in a case when somebody has been selected as target for harassment by narcissist? People sense the "bad vibes" from the victim and the "good vibes" from the abuser (who gets them bc to having sadistic tendencies). They get their supply of loosh (https://www.scribd.com/document/37909915/Loosh) by torturing that victim. Others then feel and misinterpret their sick satisfaction being as "good vibes". I believe, that's the exact mechanism how gang stalking happens and why it escalates so easily to a bigger problem, when ppl. Who have no clue, are taking part in torture rings. Situations get worse when naive ppl. Think they are doing the right thing by avoiding those who suffer under, for example, online torture, and by that avoidance, they are creating more real life problems and punishments to victims. Not necessary by doing anything, but modifying their own actions towards the victims and ignoring their suffering, by NOT doing anything. By looking to another direction ... and let victims suffer alone. That's the way trusting vibes can cause further isolation and suffering. So, when sadistic narcissists, sosio- or psychopaths attack whoever they pick... and successfully get their target to react emotionally it is easy to convince 'flying monkeys' to believe that the target they have chosen, is the "bad one" while representing themselves being the "good". That's how sadistic predators cheat more ppl. To become part of the torture circle. It happens by misinterpreting feelings. Thus, do NOT believe just the vibes when you act in this world. Reality is often opposite of those superficial interpretations.


source (https://rumble.com/v47u623-the-biggest-conspiracy-ever-created-david-icke.html)

[grapevine]

Another point of view of reincarnation and why it might be advisable to exit.

Podcast guest 692 is guest Howdie Mickoski. during this podcast we talked about why we should not reincarnate, soul traps and his own death experience. Howdie Mickoski is the author of several books including: Exit the Cave-Ending the Reincarnation Trap, Exposing the Expositions, Falling For Truth, and The Power of Then. For over 25 years he has been exploring the subjects of the nature of reality, philosophy, ancient wisdom and history, as well as ideas of the shaman, far east, alchemy and hermeticism.
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I'm currently watching the video below, which is Part 1 of a series of at least 6 on Howdie Mickoski's book "Exit the Cave". It's both interesting and totally believable.

The subject of whether or not reincarnation is a trap is ongoing and continues to tickle away at our preconceived notions of what happens when we die. As yet, nobody's ever really died and come back to tell the tale. I think maybe the body's natural DMT kicks in when we're dying to help us on our way, (otherwise why do we have it) but of course I don't know either. All I DO know is that I don't want to come back to this planet unless and until all demons are gone!

I haven't watched them all, but I'd be really interested in knowing what our options are should we decide not to go up that ladder and down the chimney again. ie Is it even POSSIBLE to escape, where to, and do we truly have any free will at all?

In the meantime the jury's still out.

Exit the Cave - Chapter 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWCoke7pL9s&t=1217s&ab_channel=HowdieMickoskiTalks

Exit the Cave - Chapter 2 - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzXXDJuujtI&t=15s&ab_channel=HowdieMickoskiTalks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzXXDJuujtI&t=15s&ab_channel=HowdieMickoskiTalks)

Exit the Cave - Chapter 2 - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-sfwsxDCr0&ab_channel=HowdieMickoskiTalks

[Vicus]

"I haven't watched them all, but I'd be really interested in knowing what our options are should we decide not to go up that ladder and down the chimney again. ie Is it even POSSIBLE to escape, where to, and do we truly have any free will at all?" from Miller post .

for Miller,
Here some answers..

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118145-I-have-come-to-needed-realizations-thru-NDEs&p=1615252&viewfull=1#post1615252

[Vicus]

Near death experience "programed"...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseUa61Thqc

SOUL TRAP DISCLOSURE - Startrek Voyagers episode with Jane & Alien pretending to be her Father 👽

[somebodyyetnobody]

Well, I must say, after spending a few hours reading the replies on this thread, I have to say, I don't know whether to believe it or not. Because from what I've been finding this theory seems to have rules where it can only be talked about by those who are white only. If anyone of color tries to discuss this topic, it seems they're bullied away from it or ostracized and ignored. I say this because I've found this to be true on subreddits discussing the prison planet/soul trap theory and when I tried to write a novel on it. I found that I was ignored and bullied, which, as of yesterday, made me decide to abandon writing a novel on the theory because it seems the entire theory is connected to racial gatekeeping. If you're white, you're free to discuss the theory amongst yourself and with others but if you're black, you'll get ignored and ostracized. So, no, while I used to believe in the soul trap theory, now I think it's just a whites-only theory that is not freeing or educational but instead toxic and prejudice, as if the information of the theory is only for white people only.

[ExomatrixTV]

Well, I must say, after spending a few hours reading the replies on this thread, I have to say, I don't know whether to believe it or not. Because from what I've been finding this theory seems to have rules where it can only be talked about by those who are white only. If anyone of color tries to discuss this topic, it seems they're bullied away from it or ostracized and ignored. I say this because I've found this to be true on subreddits discussing the prison planet/soul trap theory and when I tried to write a novel on it. I found that I was ignored and bullied, which, as of yesterday, made me decide to abandon writing a novel on the theory because it seems the entire theory is connected to racial gatekeeping. If you're white, you're free to discuss the theory amongst yourself and with others but if you're black, you'll get ignored and ostracized. So, no, while I used to believe in the soul trap theory, now I think it's just a whites-only theory that is not freeing or educational but instead toxic and prejudice, as if the information of the theory is only for white people only.
Why do you give bullies so much power and why do you assume they represent everybody that is white? ... This victim mode/mentality can also be "reverse psychology on steroids" ... I have had a relationship with someone of color and never saw her like that ... only when people bring it up it became an focus of attention, before that I was just "color blind" and focus on what is ... not what some people claim it is.

Am not sure if it is the case with you, but getting receiving critical feedback can be for some perceived as "being bullied" ... then you have to ask, why do you need confirmation from the wrong people? ... And even if people are genuine good people they too can criticize things from their own limited perspectives. As nobody is "all knowing" it is a given that you will find people who have tunnel vision perspectives.

The moment you want recognition (or certain respect) from limited minds you are destined to be disappointment >>> feeling "casted out" because you may feel "not welcomed" this phenomena is universal it can happen everywhere even between people of the same color. Not everybody can cope with that and may seek a way to blame other possible reasons like "racism" >>> meanwhile it can happen to everybody that is beyond the mainstream programming. I can give you countless examples how I was discriminated upon just because I am considered "not normal".

And what exactly is a "gatekeeping" phenomena? ... do you have to be of color to experience the sadness of that? ... or is it something we all can experience like how "group think" aka "us vs them" mentality works. So many sad things happening how people behave can have many causes: how someone is conditioned, how some ones is raised, is someone traumatized thus act differenty etc. etc.

The moment you stop wanting (or expecting) to get approval from (the wrong) people and focus on people that truly resonate with you and finding & exercising your passion you FEEL that you are truly alive and it becomes fun to be alive! (https://substack.com/home/post/p-141602788) ... otherwise it most likely becomes depressing.

Anyone that put emphasis on "believe" like what you said: "I use to believe ..." actually means you are not 100% sure ... you either know from experience or you do not ... you want to know things or you do not ... you can consider new ideas that does not mean you have "blindly believe" anything (as trust has to be earned not blindly given) ... consider the possibility and test if it works for you or not ... then from own experience you can create (gain) your own living wisdom! What works for you does not have to work for others and vice versa ... but still both can consider other ways of doing things and use aspects of it that you find useful or not.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

You're In A Trap: How To Escape The Soul-Sucking Prison You've Been Boxed Into:

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I know it is a bit "off", this video, but there are many overlappings of the same deep issues most people may have without realizing it.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I've commented on the light-trap/prison planet theory on various other threads. Put simply reincarnation (here on earth), in my opinion, is only a trap if you chose it to be. I found this very interesting quote, allegedly from an ET contact, that speaks to this phenomenon.

Quote:


" Many highly creative reincarnation options are
available to those who pass from physical existence. The only limits
are the self-imposed restrictive belief systems that a person takes to the
grave. Unfortunately, limited belief systems cause the vast majority
of people on this planet to hastily and uncontrollably reincarnate
within realities and time periods that offer no opportunity for personal
advancement and enlightenment. In other words, wasted precious
time."