Britain Pulls Out Spies As Russia, China Crack Snowden Files

[Harley]

The recent hacking and theft of federal personnel records (http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-agencies-join-probe-of-personnel-records-theft-1433936969), of which the US has blamed on China, is now being used to target Edward Snowden (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59919-Edward-Snowden-the-whistleblower-behind-the-NSA-surveillance-revelations&highlight=snowden).

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Britain Pulls Out Spies As Russia, China Crack Snowden Files

14 JUNE 2015

LONDON — Britain has pulled out agents from live operations in “hostile countries” after Russia and China cracked top-secret ­information contained in files leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, the Sunday Times ­reported.

MI6, Britain’s version of the CIA, has removed agents from certain countries, the newspaper said, citing unnamed officials at the office of British Prime Minister David Cameron, the Home Office (interior ministry) and security services.

Snowden downloaded more than 1.7 million secret files from security agencies in the United States and Britain in 2013, and he leaked details about mass surveillance of phone and Internet communications to the news media, including The Washington Post. The United States wants him to stand trial.

Moscow granted asylum to Snowden in 2013. Although he has claimed that the encrypted files remain secure, British authorities think Russia and China have cracked documents containing details that could allow British and U.S. spies to be identified, the newspaper said, citing officials.

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said Snowden has badly damaged the West’s ability to protect its citizens. “As to the specific allegations this morning, we never comment on operational intelligence matters, so I’m not going to talk about what we have or haven’t done in order to mitigate the effect of the Snowden revelations, but nobody should be in any doubt that Edward Snowden has caused immense damage,” he told Sky News.

A person with the Home Office told the newspaper that Russian President Vladimir Putin did not grant Snowden asylum for nothing. “His documents were encrypted, but they weren’t completely secure, and we have now seen our agents and assets being targeted,” the person said.

A person with British intelligence said Snowden had done “incalculable damage.”

“In some cases, the agencies have been forced to intervene and lift their agents from operations to stop them being identified and killed,” that person was quoted as saying.

British security agencies declined to comment, and the Russian and Chinese governments were not available for comment.

The revelations about the impact of Snowden on intelligence operations come days after Britain’s terrorism law watchdog said the rules governing the security services’ abilities to spy on the public needed to be overhauled.

Cameron has promised new security measures, including more powers to monitor Britons’ communications and online activity in what critics have dubbed a “snoopers’ charter.”

via The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/britain-pulls-spies-from-hostile-countries-due-to-snowden-files/2015/06/14/c45fb0ac-12bc-11e5-9518-f9e0a8959f32_story.html)
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Looks to me like the poker game between the US/UK and Russia/China is escalating.

[Harley]

And no it hasn't escaped me that a few of us right here are included in that batch of stolen personnel files.

I try not to think about it.

[Johnny]

IF the report is right.... (Reuters)

A question could be: How are MI 6 spies ended up in a file in NSA ?

MI 6 should blame NSA, NOT Snowdon !!! But not a single word about that !!!


Looks to me like the poker game between the US/UK and Russia/China is escalating.

You are probably right

Johnny :)

[ponda]

Here's another perspective



Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie

by Craig Murray (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/06/five-reasons-the-mi6-story-is-a-lie/)




The Sunday Times has a story claiming that Snowden’s revelations have caused danger to MI6 and disrupted their operations. Here are five reasons it is a lie.

1) The alleged Downing Street source is quoted directly in italics. Yet the schoolboy mistake is made of confusing officers and agents. MI6 is staffed by officers. Their informants are agents. In real life, James Bond would not be a secret agent. He would be an MI6 officer. Those whose knowledge comes from fiction frequently confuse the two. Nobody really working with the intelligence services would do so, as the Sunday Times source does. The story is a lie.

2) The argument that MI6 officers are at danger of being killed by the Russians or Chinese is a nonsense. No MI6 officer has been killed by the Russians or Chinese for 50 years. The worst that could happen is they would be sent home. Agents’ – generally local people, as opposed to MI6 officers – identities would not be revealed in the Snowden documents. Rule No.1 in both the CIA and MI6 is that agents’ identities are never, ever written down, neither their names nor a description that would allow them to be identified. I once got very, very severely carpeted for adding an agents’ name to my copy of an intelligence report in handwriting, suggesting he was a useless gossip and MI6 should not be wasting their money on bribing him. And that was in post communist Poland, not a high risk situation.

3) MI6 officers work under diplomatic cover 99% of the time. Their alias is as members of the British Embassy, or other diplomatic status mission. A portion are declared to the host country. The truth is that Embassies of different powers very quickly identify who are the spies in other missions. MI6 have huge dossiers on the members of the Russian security services – I have seen and handled them. The Russians have the same. In past mass expulsions, the British government has expelled 20 or 30 spies from the Russian Embassy in London. The Russians retaliated by expelling the same number of British diplomats from Moscow, all of whom were not spies! As a third of our “diplomats” in Russia are spies, this was not coincidence. This was deliberate to send the message that they knew precisely who the spies were, and they did not fear them.

4) This anti Snowden non-story – even the Sunday Times admits there is no evidence anybody has been harmed – is timed precisely to coincide with the government’s new Snooper’s Charter act, enabling the security services to access all our internet activity. Remember that GCHQ already has an archive of 800,000 perfectly innocent British people engaged in sex chats online.

5) The paper publishing the story is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is sourced to the people who brought you the dossier on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction, every single “fact” in which proved to be a fabrication. Why would you believe the liars now?

There you have five reasons the story is a lie.

[mountain_jim]

For links to details and reactions from journalists all over to this joke of a story, read Greenwald's twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

Sunday Times reporter on CNN: "We just publish what we believe to be the position of the British government…" "

[sandy]

Red Herring written all over it>>>>>distraction and dis-info IMHO.

[Sunny-side-up]

Bumping:

Here's another perspective



Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie

by Craig Murray (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/06/five-reasons-the-mi6-story-is-a-lie/)




The Sunday Times has a story claiming that Snowden’s revelations have caused danger to MI6 and disrupted their operations. Here are five reasons it is a lie.

1) The alleged Downing Street source is quoted directly in italics. Yet the schoolboy mistake is made of confusing officers and agents. MI6 is staffed by officers. Their informants are agents. In real life, James Bond would not be a secret agent. He would be an MI6 officer. Those whose knowledge comes from fiction frequently confuse the two. Nobody really working with the intelligence services would do so, as the Sunday Times source does. The story is a lie.

2) The argument that MI6 officers are at danger of being killed by the Russians or Chinese is a nonsense. No MI6 officer has been killed by the Russians or Chinese for 50 years. The worst that could happen is they would be sent home. Agents’ – generally local people, as opposed to MI6 officers – identities would not be revealed in the Snowden documents. Rule No.1 in both the CIA and MI6 is that agents’ identities are never, ever written down, neither their names nor a description that would allow them to be identified. I once got very, very severely carpeted for adding an agents’ name to my copy of an intelligence report in handwriting, suggesting he was a useless gossip and MI6 should not be wasting their money on bribing him. And that was in post communist Poland, not a high risk situation.

3) MI6 officers work under diplomatic cover 99% of the time. Their alias is as members of the British Embassy, or other diplomatic status mission. A portion are declared to the host country. The truth is that Embassies of different powers very quickly identify who are the spies in other missions. MI6 have huge dossiers on the members of the Russian security services – I have seen and handled them. The Russians have the same. In past mass expulsions, the British government has expelled 20 or 30 spies from the Russian Embassy in London. The Russians retaliated by expelling the same number of British diplomats from Moscow, all of whom were not spies! As a third of our “diplomats” in Russia are spies, this was not coincidence. This was deliberate to send the message that they knew precisely who the spies were, and they did not fear them.

4) This anti Snowden non-story – even the Sunday Times admits there is no evidence anybody has been harmed – is timed precisely to coincide with the government’s new Snooper’s Charter act, enabling the security services to access all our internet activity. Remember that GCHQ already has an archive of 800,000 perfectly innocent British people engaged in sex chats online.

5) The paper publishing the story is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is sourced to the people who brought you the dossier on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction, every single “fact” in which proved to be a fabrication. Why would you believe the liars now?

There you have five reasons the story is a lie.


sandy

Red Herring written all over it>>>>>distraction and dis-info IMHO.

All a game for us to fall for! (Not for us we don't fall for such things, this is for them not awakers )

[Carmody]

Snowden destroyed files before going to Russia – Greenwald debunks Sunday Times report

http://rt.com/news/267382-snowden-smear-sunday-times/

But it does not matter.

The propaganda machine looks only for the willing compatriot that sparks a match, then they push the flaming falsehood into/onto the world stage.

[Harley]

Yes, you all are correct. It's more Propaganda to support the War Machine, and I don't need five reasons to tell you why I know.

When we are cleared and briefed for our security clearances we are told never to reveal to anyone that we have a security clearance.

And here we have the UK/US not only admitting that they have spies in hostile countries, but that they are pulling them out because they are now in danger?

Utterly ridiculous! Never would they reveal such information to the public.

Not only is this article a hit-piece on all Whistleblowers but it's also further promotion of a war between the US/UK and Russia/China, which is what they want. And it'll be during this war that the economy tanks and the dollar will be no more.

And that's why I called it a Poker Game.

[Harley]

To further expand on my previous post:

I don't know this guy Rob Kirby (http://www.kirbyanalytics.com/), but much of what's said in this interview is correct.

War Is Coming To Cover Up The Economic Collapse


They know that the entire system is collapsing and their only out is war to cover it up.

Jade Helm is [another] conditioning exercise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taLDefx3nE0&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

[Carmody]

Yes, you all are correct. It's more Propaganda to support the War Machine, and I don't need five reasons to tell you why I know.

When we are cleared and briefed for our security clearances we are told never to reveal to anyone that we have a security clearance.

And here we have the UK/US not only admitting that they have spies in hostile countries, but that they are pulling them out because they are now in danger?

Utterly ridiculous! Never would they reveal such information to the public.

Not only is this article a hit-piece on all Whistleblowers but it's also further promotion of a war between the US/UK and Russia/China, which is what they want. And it'll be during this war that the economy tanks and the dollar will be no more.

And that's why I called it a Poker Game.

More of the other side of the story. The why of the elitist panic. Total loss of pyramid stuctured control. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83001-Joseph-Farrell-Dark-Jouralist-Akhenaten-Prophecy-Mystery-Schools-Giza-Death-Star&p=970579&viewfull=1#post970579)