Awakened vs Propaganda

[Earthlink]

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[ZooLife]

As for 'anthropological warming on planet Earth', I am not convinced that the human aspect of climate change is as high a percentage of the change as it is portrayed in the Media. Does human activity play a part, definitely. I surmise that if we had a complete recording of weather data from the beginning (roughly 4.4 billion years) minus asteroid impacts we would find all kinds of weather fluctuations that span all sorts of time frames that most likely had nothing to human activity on the little blue ball.

Having said that, I am still conscious and dismayed by the handling of pollution and toxins by governments and populous on star ship earth. Fukushima for one. How often do you see an appropriate level of concern in the MSM these days compared to the damage and threat it still poses to human survival upon the big picture?

I mean absolutely no disrespect to those who believe the opposite.

[Earthlink]

but so what? you already know what the naysayers will say of it, what's the point?

[Earthlink]

You know what? Whatever, that's what. Earthlink has left the building.

[ZooLife]

Apparently I did not use Right Guard today. :(

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I value hearing what others have to say even if it goes against my ideas. I guess that isn't the same for everyone.

[DeDukshyn]

Apparently I did not use Right Guard today. :(

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I value hearing what others have to say even if it goes against my ideas. I guess that isn't the same for everyone.

I feel the same. I rather dislike when people "delete" their posts. People change and change their minds all the time, also frustration can be a cause (as appears to be the case with EarthLink here), but I agree with you 100% ZooLife. I would prefer to see the original post, and what a member should maybe consider, rather than "deleting", is to add an edit or another post, sharing what changed or happened that made them want to delete their post. Who knows, this might really solve some issues, or at least keep possibly important discussions going, especially the latter. I am one that always plays a little devil's advocate, I think it is important, and keeps us all on our toes.

I appreciate Earthlink's contributions here, this is for sure. But I still think discussions can be had that objectively allow for broad range points of view.

My 2 cents! ;)

(updated a few minutes after initial post)

[Earthlink]

What you are both proposing is something that can not exist. Either 2+2=4 or 2+2=5. There is no middle ground, there is no objectivity to this, there is no room for opinion, I'm sorry, I can not accept lies as truths.

any mods here, go ahead and delete this entire thread. I may try again on another day, but not today, and not in this contaminated space.

in the meantime I'll just add some stupidity here until this thread disappears ...

A half truth is still a whole lie --- old jewish proverb

Two men say they're jesus, one of them's got to be wrong --- a line from a dire straights song

Arguing over what caused a fire isn't the same as picking up a hose and spraying water onto it.

This place is contaminated with the words of known, habitual, chronic liars: the mainscream media. Being a harbinger for them and their words will not help. Being a harbinger for them and their words will hurt.

Those who say it can not be done should stop interrupting those doing it.

Unless you are completely capable of building a new planet to house all of the inhabitants of this planet or are capable of immediately repairing what has been broken in its' natural built in life support systems, you should stop destroying this planet and/or assisting those who are.

There has never even been a debate on global warming. In order for a debate to occur, there needs to be tangible, substantial evidence on both sides to debate. In this case, one side does not even exist at all, and on the other side there is not but mountains of empirical evidence. Just because the mainscream media says something, doesn't make it so. Just because the mainscream media says something, it still is not justification in and of itself that one even need consider what they have said. Their track record has them as lying, lying, telling more lies, and then topping it all off with a can of whoop a$$ lies sprayed liberally everywhere and all over everything. When one party brings not but falsehoods and lies, no matter how much they try to make it look convincing and true, that isn't justification to open a debate on something.

Tell me, how did this need for an awakening even come about in the first place, hmmm?

There is nothing I can say here that has not already been said, and even so, there are those who will feel the need to say something else every single time it is said.

Cue the slapping medicine man:


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Allowing people to exist with lies is a license that locks us into eternal juvenile behaviour.

You already know what I said and you already have your retort prepared. What's the point then, hmmm?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results each time.

If ZooLife is not convinced, it is only because of a two things: ZooLife is lying, or, ZooLife has been lied to and believes those lies. There is no other alternative, and in both of those cases, lies, as in NOT TRUTH is the reason. That's a great name, by the way. All Animals should be put behind bars and spend their existence in man made prisons!!!

"We have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love and the community to produce a kind of human paradise. But we are led by the least among us - the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary." --- Terence McKenna

So there ya go. Be un-intelligent, un-noble and un-visionary and you'll be one of our leaders!!!


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[ZooLife]

It's the level of emphasis that I question not that we, as the planets inhabitants, should not do better.

I look for balance that does not crush the most vulnerable populous under unbearable taxes and the like which seems to happen one way or the other.

My apologies EarthLink, I will stay away from your threads but I will say this.....it isn't as black and white as you propose.

[DeDukshyn]

What you are both proposing is something that can not exist. Either 2+2=4 or 2+2=5. There is no middle ground, there is no objectivity to this, there is no room for opinion, I'm sorry, I can not accept lies as truths.

Come on, tell us how you really feel!

But seriously EarthLink, I can't even comment at all since you deleted your posts; no one can determine for themselves what 2+2 equals anymore and this is where any potential effectiveness lies. I wish this hadn't been the case, all points of view should be shared, agreeing is not a requirement, as you can't force people to believe or not believe, but I think the sharing so that others may have the chance to see other points of views, is a requirement to meet any goal. Just a consideration.

[ThePythonicCow]

any mods here, go ahead and delete this entire thread. I may try again on another day, but not today, and not in this contaminated space.
One of the small benefits to being a forum moderator -- I can view the earlier edits of posts :).

When something frustrates me greatly, there is often a potentially fruitful (but not yet bearing fruit) dynamic of tension, between something I know well, and something that I reject vigorously (hence see as contamination in spaces and beings outside me).

The merging of those two, seemingly opposing, energies, into a higher, finer, order, can sometimes produce most interesting offspring.

In other words, that which I oppose is often, in part at least, the essential other half of that which I seek.

This has become so predictable to me that I find myself delighting in my own disgust, for it's frequently a sign of impending discovery.

[Earthlink]

Two questions: and they both have CORRECT answers.

1) Where does the heat go that is released from an internal combustion engine?

2) Why do Human Beings collectively give 10 million dollars per hour to the oil companies?

And for a bonus question, in which year did our atmosphere become LEGALLY uninhabitable? Our atmosphere became uninhabitable because of the burning of fossil fuels, and only because of the burning of fossil fuels, and for no other reason than the burning of fossil fuels, a sate that is worsening daily and moves to encompass more and more species where they go from this land of the living into the land of the now dead and forever gone, so, which year did this definition of being uninhabitable first occur?

[Earthlink]

If evolution is real, then, children today feel this way:

[DeDukshyn]

"but so what? you already know what the naysayers will say of it, what's the point? "

Why do the naysayers offend you so EarthLink?
Do you not recognize that you are too a naysayer? You have said "nay" to the mainstream BS propaganda on pollution that most people accept as truth, that makes you also a naysayer. The problem isn't "naysaying" in fact without it you wouldn't have the stance you have ;). A discussion is far more valuable than a lecture, if a discussion is allowed to happen; and a discussion that only ever considers one view of things is dangerous, period; this is how the masses became duped - by encouraged conformity.

We are here to allow a place for people to break that encouraged conformity by expressing various views on various topics; the masses rarely get the chance to do this (if ever they get inclined) and this is one of the main things that sets Avalonians apart from the masses - we aren't afraid to questions things and explore opposing points of view. This needs to be encouraged and respected, otherwise there's really not much difference between us and the "sheep".

BTW what Paul posted above, I can echo fully, as my experiences have been the same.

Hope to see you sharing more, (you have couple good threads here), and I wish to see you share less conditionally. Have a good Day EarthLink!

[Earthlink]

People who stand up in front of snake oil salesmen (liars) and point out that they are frauds are not naysayers, I think that is a misappropriate way to use that term. And if you've already gone to that point where you think both are acceptable, you've already lost everything, and there isn't something of substance worth redeeming in you. I'm glad you are aware that there's stupid games going on, but are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

In all cases, liars should never be given a stage.

Were those who exposed the lies told by the big tobacco industry naysayers? No, no they were not, they simply looked at the evidence objectively.

Should the big tobacco companies have the right to tell lies to the public, is that what you're advocating?

There are some instances where simply allowing various "views" on things is no longer beneficial to society, when, it has been shown that one side has nothing of substance to support its' claims, and therefore can only lie about it. That is not beneficial to any save those who profit from lies being believed as truths.

[Agape]

People who stand up in front of snake oil salesmen (liars) and point out that they are frauds are not naysayers, I think that is a misappropriate way to use that term. And if you've already gone to that point where you think both are acceptable, you've already lost everything, and there isn't something of substance worth redeeming in you. I'm glad you are aware that there's stupid games going on, but are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

In all cases, liars should never be given a stage.

Were those who exposed the lies told by the big tobacco industry naysayers? No, no they were not, they simply looked at the evidence objectively.

Should the big tobacco companies have the right to tell lies to the public, is that what you're advocating?

There are some instances where simply allowing various "views" on things is no longer beneficial to society, when, it has been shown that one side has nothing of substance to support its' claims, and therefore can only lie about it. That is not beneficial to any save those who profit from lies being believed as truths.


So , there are about 5 ways how to interpret this super- statement alone, archetypally , you have choice and this is what is and will be happening ,

yes there's global situation but groups of people interpret it in different ways and incline to follow their respective event horizons ,

is that true .. in lesser sense yes in greater sense no .. there's but one global situation but the awareness of it grows , expands slowly in any individual being , through collective consciousness of their groups,
tribes, families ..

To: being responsible and sovereign citizen of this Universe . You're born with your ID card , no one has right to change that . And if they change your ID before you're born even they have to be able to accept responsibility for your life and life of future generations on this planet .

I don't see this would happen any time soon .. I think , for the better of it .. it will take another few centuries if not thousands of years to establish global civilisation on earth ..
time is a physical entity , sort of life space but more subtle , it's the spin of your protons, neurones , machines , time is bound within this physical system but ...

it has long way to go yet ...


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[Earthlink]

ummm ... which occurred first? Did the big tobacco companies stand up and proclaim that the use of their products does not cause cancer first, or, did someone say that at the beginning, which then prompted the nay sayers from the tobacco companies? See the difference? The very same is true of the effects of burning fossil fuels so prolifically inside the closed circuit which is our atmosphere.

I think in order to have nay sayers, someone must first make an assertion, and because we are not all STUPID, that assertion has to be supported with facts and you have to be able to prove that assertion as true beyond any reasonable doubts.

In both cases, big tobacco and big oil, the very same lawyers were retained.

Also in both cases, what was said of the effects of tobacco and what was said of the effects of burning fossil fuels: was accepted as true.

That is precisely how the term nay sayers came to be.

Aaaaaaaaaand then the nay sayers started saying things like "why is one opinion on a subject more valid than an other?" and "we have to respect both views"

No, no we don't. You can if you want to, however I would advise against it, since at the beginning of this there was first presented some facts, that the nay sayers then set out to disrupt, distort and dis-credit.

Did you learn anything new yet Paul?

[Agape]

Tell whom ? The United Nations ? You know what they have .. files of phrases , whole books of prewritten monologues for every occasion ..

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[DeDukshyn]

People who stand up in front of snake oil salesmen (liars) and point out that they are frauds are not naysayers, I think that is a misappropriate way to use that term. And if you've already gone to that point where you think both are acceptable, you've already lost everything, and there isn't something of substance worth redeeming in you. I'm glad you are aware that there's stupid games going on, but are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

In all cases, liars should never be given a stage.

Were those who exposed the lies told by the big tobacco industry naysayers? No, no they were not, they simply looked at the evidence objectively.

Should the big tobacco companies have the right to tell lies to the public, is that what you're advocating?

There are some instances where simply allowing various "views" on things is no longer beneficial to society, when, it has been shown that one side has nothing of substance to support its' claims, and therefore can only lie about it. That is not beneficial to any save those who profit from lies being believed as truths.

You missed my point completely, that is fine, I was just trying to present a point of view.
Zoolife has the same right to post his opinion as you do yours on this forum.

Have a great day.

[Earthlink]

I understood your point, what I'm trying to tell you is that you're in a lot of trouble today because of lies.

That, and the fact that I will not accept, nor should you, lies as a valid point of view, they are not.

Chronologically exactly the same thing happened in both cases, tobacco and oil.

People began to react to the negative consequences of those products being used: and then the lies started. I will stand behind you with that information for ever. If they have convinced you that lies are as valid a point as truth, I will drag you down to the slapping medicine man myself!!!

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As in this video above, just because the tiny little minority who control the media keep saying things that are not true, and just because they say lies like "the majority view this this way" what we find time and again when we examine things they say is that the truth ends up being the opposite. The vast majority view it another way, and all that is ever presented form them are not what anyone would call an opinion, a fact, something with any substance what so ever, but rather they present bold fact-less lies, as truths.

And again, lies are not a second opinion: they are lies.

Fake plastic trees, fake plastic people.

We've got too many centuries now with not but lies running our show. It's time to WAKE UP. Everything I know and love of this Earth is EITHER ALREADY DEAD OR IS ABOUT TO DIE!!!

AND THE REASON FOR THIS: TAKE A BOW! THE FAKE PLASTIC PEOPLE AND THEIR MINIONS are THE REASON FOR THIS.

Where I live right now, the horseflies, the deerflies, the grasshoppers, the common barn swallows, most of the other birds I never knew the name of and the vast majority of all the insects in my township are ALL GONE and some of them disappeared years ago now, right up until last summer was the last time I saw some of them.

Why don't you fake plastic people supporters just go outside? Anything you see out there, take a picture of it, try talking to it, and perhaps apologize to it. Whatever is there now is slated to be gone soon, just like all the rest.

[ZooLife]

Toxicity, it doesn't just surround the earth.

As above, so below.

[Earthlink]

I am the storm and I am the wonder

[Earthlink]

I am unfunded for the work I do on the environment and atmosphere.

And you side with the liars with all the money?

What's wrong with this picture?

Furthermore, you expect leniency from me over the words you yourself chose to use. Well, you're not going to get it. You need to stand by the words you use as if they are what defines you, otherwise, don't use them!

For, me and the rest of the vast majority of the population all had to listen to your (known to you or not) lies. Those lies are partially responsible for the murder of my Home World!!!

F YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!!!

There's very little of this world that I hate, and number one on that list are LIARS!!!

I f@cking hate them with a passion!!! They go against everything I was ever taught.

[ZooLife]

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[Earthlink]

I want the Barn Swallows back, ZooLife. Can you make them come back?

Waylay the most serious discussion, not only of this time, but of all time.

[DeDukshyn]

I am unfunded for the work I do on the environment and atmosphere.

And you side with the liars with all the money?

What's wrong with this picture?

Furthermore, you expect leniency from me over the words you yourself chose to use. Well, you're not going to get it. You need to stand by the words you use as if they are what defines you, otherwise, don't use them!

For, me and the rest of the vast majority of the population all had to listen to your (known to you or not) lies. Those lies are partially responsible for the murder of my Home World!!!

F YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!!!

There's very little of this world that I hate, and number one on that list are LIARS!!!

I f@cking hate them with a passion!!! They go against everything I was ever taught.

I know that if you keep implying good members here of being in collusion with the "liars", as opposed to having a mature debate on the subjects that are passionate to you, you will never get anywhere. I may be one of the few here who actually get your humour (it isn't always obvious, to be honest); I think it confuses some members who may not be able to discern what you present as humour or not, and that might be less than optimal.

For any debate, any idea, any proposal to be taken remotely seriously, the style of communication is the message. When you delete posts just because of a "naysayer" (your words), you have shown that you don't really stand behind you words, you retract them, and then find all these "other" reasons as to why the retraction was justified. It matters none if you find yourself a justification or not, if you don't stand behind what you say, no one will take you seriously. This doesn't mean anyone has to agree with you. I read and hear the lies of people in the news, in politics, and everywhere, and my reaction is to clarify the truth, not point fingers. Why? Because one is effective to the cause and the other is detrimental.

How good do you want to be at what you do? At getting the message out that you have to share?



BTW on another note, love the new Avatar, can't wait for Fallout 4 to be out!

[Earthlink]

I see that this discussion can only be about me. You lack the capacity, or something, to stay on topic. Anyway, have you any idea how many decades your people have been trying to stop this one industry from killing your Home World?

We knew in 1970 that we needed to stop. Albert Einstein knew that we needed to stop.

Yet, for some reason, today, I find people will still come to a discussion I start about this with questions of whether or not it is necessary.

I find that to be mind numbing. Sort of like the effects of inhaling gasoline vapours.

Maybe that's what's going on, everyone's under the influence of gasoline fumes ...

[DeDukshyn]

I see that this discussion can only be about me. You lack the capacity, or something, to stay on topic.

You are just asking questions of us and implying we are colluding with "liars". Just write another fine article like in your "snowflakes" thread or another good thread you have, note the differences between those and some of you others that haven't worked so well - there's gold in them there distinctions - at least those have an original thread post and a topic! You deleted this one and we (aside from a select few) still don't know what this thread is supposed to be about.

Maybe a whole new try over from the beginning, on a new thread is warranted?

Anyways, I just trying to help EarthLink, take it or leave it.

[Earthlink]

Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms, let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel belted radials and I won't say anything, just leave us alone.

Well I'm not going to leave you alone!


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Whether you're aware or not, there is a Plan A and a Plan B, and, Plan B needs nothing. Plan B has us just allow this to continue for a short while longer, and they'll follow the rest of the species right into extinction, except those of us who have O2 sensors and greenhouses with controlled environments, and of course, people like me who can generate unlimited amounts of electric flow. I'm actually famous in small circles, not because of anything I've ever said here on Avalon, but because of the first in the field work I've done in geothermal systems, constructed swamps and water treatment, and, I can generate electricity in 5 ways, none of which burn anything.

I'm working on Plan A, and that has all of us and everything here staying just like it is. Oh sure, they laugh at me for trying. They constantly point out the naysayers and their constructed belief systems as reasons to just laugh at me. What just happened in this thread is an argument they will use against me and my bleeding heart.

Anyway, my word is my word, and it's all I have. I am working on Plan A.

I know, I know, we have to fight you, to save you. What do you suppose your chances are, under these conditions?

[DeDukshyn]

I don't see anyone laughing at you. ;)

[Earthlink]

And you never will see anyone laugh at me for trying to help all of you, yet they do. They say it is a lost cause, that you are a lost cause, and I disagree with that assessment.

I'm glad you catch my humour when it shows up, I view humour as the most important emotion.

Considering who I'm up against, and what I have to do to pull this off ... you should be laughing at me too.

How does that saying go again ... first they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Is that the correct order for that saying?

Anyway, if you're not laughing at me yet, hurry up! Go through these motions as quickly as you can, you're virtually out of time.

[Earthlink]

FYI: These are all of the nuclear detonations that have occurred. Not nuclear power plant explosions, dropped bombs, any of which would have completely eliminated the entire city of Fukushima. All 2,053 of them, prior to 1999. I'm sure there have been many more since, I just don't have that data.

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Tell me about the bunny rabbits again George ...

[Earthlink]

What is right.

I would like nothing more than to just write about philosophy, and physics, and Love, but I can't. Not while this sh!t is going on, I just can not. Not without a frontal lobotomy or something, it's too important.

[Earthlink]

I've been everywhere shown in this video. The Forbidden City. It's in Beijing, and I've been there 3 times now, and will be going back soon, a few months from now. I likely won't be back here, to North America, this time, and will stay there. They have more statues and art and ancient architecture there than I've seen anywhere else. I was born in the year of the Dragon, and they have Dragon statues everywhere!

And, I have asked people there, just random people, on a subway, or at an event or function that I was at, as completely random a sample as I could give, and when I asked them a simple question: who is god? I got 97% of them all giving the same answer:

Nature.

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He's a stranger to some
And a vision to none
He can never get enough,
Get enough of the one

For a fortune he'd quit
But it's hard to admit
How it ends and begins
On his face is a map of the world
(A map of the world)
On his face is a map of the world
(A map of the world)
From yesterday, it's coming!
From yesterday, the fear!
From yesterday, it calls him
But he doesn't want to read the message here

On a mountain he sits, not of gold but of sh!t
through the blood he can look, see the life that he took
From a council of one
He'll decide when he's done with the innocent

On his face is a map of the world
(A map of the world)
On his face is a map of the world
(A map of the world)

From yesterday, it's coming!
From yesterday, the fear!
From yesterday, it calls him
But he doesn't want to read the message
He doesn't want to read the message
Doesn't want to read the message here


And this is the song that is heard at the end of that video above.

It is called "A Beautiful Lie"

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[Earthlink]

Some advice an old old friend gave me many many years ago:

It looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck, it walks like a duck: it's a duck.

And now, a story about one of the many things I've encountered in this lifetime.

The first time I was in Beijing, I just ... I just showed up there. 3 weeks prior I decided I needed to go there, so I bought a ticket then, and 3 weeks later, I arrived.

That was it's own experience. Just going somewhere where you don't speak the language, and with no pre made plans. Mandarin-English books, drawing sketches of a cow pig and chicken, and then putting a circle around them with a line through it, to let the person who was selling food know that I didn't eat meat. Communicating with hand gestures and acting things out.

I got stuck at the motel out by the airport for 3 weeks when I first got there. After going through the customs at the airport with everybody else on the same plane, and then finally finding the street outside the massive airport, I used hand gestures at one of the many taxi drivers there. I put my hands close together in front of me, and shook my head yes. I then put my hands further apart, and shook my head no. Close together, yes, far apart, no. The taxi driver seemed to indicate he understood, and pointed to what looked like something close by.

Turns out I could have walked, it was that close. And this was after something like 24 hours no sleep for me, I can't sleep on a plane. Also, the staff at this motel were really nice. Super nice people, all of them. They showed me the next morning how to use my or any other laptop to translate. That was how we communicated. I decided to stay there anyway, just for a few days, and just climatize myself a bit before going into Beijing proper, the airport is way outside the city. I like exploring big places like that, major airports, from the outside. While there , I figured out the exchange rate, more or less, and concluded very quickly that I had lots of their money for not lots of my money, and that the food, on the streets everywhere there, was delicious and cheap!!! Everything was cheap there, compared to here.

I also took the time to browse the internet and find a place to stay in BJ while I was there. Hostels are great, I would soon find out. So on the third day there, I asked someone at the counter where a bank machine was. Just like everything else I had asked them for directions to, they made no attempt to stand at the door and point me in the right direction I needed to go, one of them would walk me over to where the food was (market around back) where to get smokes (south of where we were, same road) and where to get a haircut, and then across the street to an ATM. I'd actually never used my bank card, just a debit card, no visa service with it, outside Canada or the US before, I just assumed, because of the interact thing that professes to work everywhere, that it would, and it did. I put my bank card into a machine in China, and asked for 1000 dollars (their money) and pretty quickly, the machine spit out 10 red hundred dollar bills, with a picture of Mao on them. I was actually relieved that it worked just the way it was supposed to, and I happily walked off with my thousand bucks : )

The next day, as I was preparing to go back to the airport and take the subway into the city, after calling a hostel there from their counter phone, I couldn't locate my bank card as I was just doing a routine sift through my front two pockets where all these things were kept. I actually forgot my card in the machine. I went back, but it wasn't there anywhere that I could see. So this is why I spent 3 weeks there, waiting for my mom to receive my bank card at my home address, the only place my bank would send it, and then for her to take that, put it into another envelope, and mail that to me there.

I also ran out of money. The people at the motel were so nice. They brought me with them every evening for dinner, with their family and staff, they knew I was vegetarian and only gave me the non-meat stuff, and the owner, and older gentleman who I would play cards with in the evenings while talking to each other slowly on the laptops, brought me a pack of cigarettes every day.

They also knew exactly why I was there, and supported that effort whole heartedly. Virtually everyone I meet supports this effort. Anyway, I have so many stories about this first trip, and I could just go on and on and on, but I'm going to try to move to one of the most important things that happened after I got to BJ and had been hanging out there for a while. Everywhere I went, I found open doors in front of me. I was emailing all kinds of government departments and schools and other departments, and having meetings and dumping all the data I had on these horrific side effects to using fossil fuels.

Things I was talking to people there about, ended up on the nightly news, like, the next week. I was making waves, clearly, and all of my communications were, at this location anyway, in a foreign language, to them. I would hide nothing ever to anyone about anything, and this is my calling. Always has been. I don't ever have to memorize anything, or remember anything, except what happened, because the only things I ever need and have ever needed, are truths. I have no corporate ties, I have no connections to any kind of government or institutions or anything. I'm just a boy in the world.

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Then one morning, while having a coffee down on the pedestrian mall there in Beijing, Wangfujing, where I would use the internet and google maps and plan a new day for myself or find the subway routes to where I'd already decided to go, (a regular routine for me) a man showed up seated already in the section of the McDonlads there by the front window. Nothing unusual, except he was an older white man. Still not unusual, there are other white people there, and of course it is in my nature to talk to any and everyone. I said hello, he said hello back. Beautiful day, all that. Small talk at first, but again, I tell everyone everything, if they ask, and sometimes even if they don't : )

Now, I much prefer mom and pop, family owned restaurants over any corporate chain, however this is China, and, they don't drink coffee, they drink teas. Not tea, teas, many kinds of them, and the normal travel mug people there carry have either just hot water in them, or they all also have the little strainers to keep tea leaves out of the water, and have tea in them. Finding coffee was ... difficult, but the Rotten Ronnies there had it all the time, and had the same breakfast menu pretty much as here, and coffee was in each meal, and they opened early, which, I pretty much woke at 6 or 7 am every day I was there. I like the calm and quiet in the mornings. I never ate the food there, I just went for the coffee. On the first day we talked, he told me something I didn't know, and that is that if you bring your same cup back to the counter empty, they will refill it for free. The writing there is all in Chinese, I never knew.

Then my mornings got a little better : ) I could actually have 2 or 3 coffee's for the price of one! Coffee there is 8 of their dollars, where quarts of beer at the store are 1.50 and they give you 0.50 back as a deposit when you bring the empty bottle back. So, over the next several days, we would sit and talk in the mornings, and my morning time having coffee just tripled itself.

You know, it's kinda funny, I never asked him his name, and he never asked me mine. Also, he was never there alone. He had at least 5 women with him at all times that I could see. 2 or 3 of them would be sitting with him at the table, and at least one other that I did see all the time, was always walking around, and never sat with us. Another would just stand by, somewhere else either in the restaurant or even right outside front. The one who was always walking around would look at me, but every time I tried to look back at her, her gaze went elsewhere. She never made eye contact with me. One of the seated women he pointed out as his "expert translator", another was a nurse. Of course I asked him what was wrong, and then I told him all about oxygen enrichment and sodium bicarbonate.

And, like I said, we talked. He was usually there when I got there (they open at 5 am) and I never saw him leave, I always left first. And we talked, it seemed at times, like we knew everything about each other already. That's why I never asked his name, I sorta knew who he was already, and he knew that I knew that, and of course, he knew all about me. I was writing to and visiting places all over Beijing. Hard not to notice, especially since the content of the discussions I was having all over the place ended up on the nightly news.

Anyway, not the last time I saw him, but the second last time I saw him, he told me they had "meetings" and that they came to a decision. No one was going to try to stop me. That was the good news, for, likely there were those in his group who were screaming bloody murder! However, in order to get that concession they had to also agree that none of them were going to help me either. My heart sunk when he said that, but I understood exactly what had happened. They could have just completely erased me any time they wanted to.

Remember when George Carlin said "You have owners, they own you" well, this was one of our owners. I knew that, almost immediately, and I can not say that they looked into "me" as well, as much as they could, and didn't know much about me already. I was called a "hot house flower" when I was in primary school, and my empathy is strong, always has been. I say things one day, and then the next day they happen.

You know, if I ever meet you, face to face, and should I ever ask you a question, the best thing you could do would be to just tell the absolute truth, for, if you lie to cover something up, that opens up all kinds of synapses in your memory that then enables me to see much much more than just the question I've asked. The best thing you could do would be to just answer truthfully and then it all ends there.

This is the reason back in the 50's, in the American military, they explored lead hats, as a way to shield the empathic readings we all give to and receive from each other. Of course thought just ignores that, and travels right through everything, but they at least tried.

And speaking of face to face meetings, there's nothing like it. You read so much from someone just looking into their eyes. And in this forum here, the Avalon forum, I can not say that I know anyone here. I have not ever met anyone here, and as Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist for the band Rush said in one of their songs "I can't pretend a stranger is a long awaited friend."

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So, China. China, not that long ago at all, had few to no gas stations, and few to no gasoline or diesel motors. It has only been in the last decade that the oil companies hand in hand with the automobile mfg. companies began moving in there. China Oil and a few other big companies sprung up, and the infrastructure, roads, and network of gas stations, all began to appear there. Every year now China adds several million new passenger vehicle permits to the citizenry there. China is the new America, to this industry, and of course that is where some of our owners hang out.

And do you know, it has been said that they, our owners, don't talk to each other. It kind of reminds me of my father's family. 9 kids, and the, what I call stupidity of each of their own individual ego's, has them at odds with each other more than they are friends. It is what it is. It's not that they absolutely don't talk to each other, they have to, but many of their conversations are stymied, and end with a sentence like "I don't tell you how to run your ship, you don't tell me how to run mine" kind of not talking to each other. When they have meetings with agendas that they all need looked after, it's pretty much "this is what we need, and we don't care how you go about it"

Anyway, like I said earlier, I have no strings attached to me what so ever. I am speaking of things that are of grave concern to all, and, I actually care more about Nature and the natural world here more than I care of any of the Humans. I know that this is not my first time here, and that it may not be my last, and that is the part I have trouble with. It MAY not be my last, for a very long time. I don't want to now go back into the Plant Kingdom, because of something we did to ourselves.

Neither does anyone else.

I have a big brain, but I have an even bigger heart.

So now I want to just talk a little about Thing 1 Thing 2 and Thing 3. That's what I call the trolls that seem to exist everywhere people gather and talk to each other, especially in forums like this where written word rules the show. Let me begin by just supposing for the length of this paragraph that I am one of the owners. It's quicker to describe it this way.

So then, it has been said that all the world is indeed a stage. Well, it is, and, it's MY f@cking stage! I built it!!!. These are my curtains, and my sound system, and my actors appear on it, performing MY script. Nothing gets on this stage without my permission, and while every Tom Dick and Harry out there may attempt to get up on stage, they will only remain there if I allow them to. Some have climbed up onto the stage and then proceeded to spend their entire lives there. That's because I found them to be either entertaining or as having been a contributor to my show. If you think for a second that "things" and "people" just show up on my stage out of the blue, you need to think again, for, they do not!

Anyway, in a permanent life cycle such as the one that does exist, my relationship with my father and mother is actually more like a relationship with just another brother and just another sister. In time, we have all been parents and we have all been siblings. We have all done this, over and over and over again. The familial relationships we have are only a part of the temporary existence of us, and have absolutely nothing to do with the permanence of us.

In the end, it all goes back into the box, only to be brought out and used again.

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And one of the main reasons I'm here on the Avalon Forum is written right there at the top. Chronicles of the Human awakening. (note to mods, the word human up there is a proper noun, and as such, should be capitalized) I am giving you chronicles of the Human awakening. Hopefully one of the best one's you'll receive here.

Anyway, they let me be. I think one of the things he said was that I'm red lighted, or have been given the red light, or something like that. I was like whaaa??? But it turns out that that means off limits, as in Do Not Touch.

:clapping:

No matter the person nor their circumstances, no one wants to live on Mars, nor have that scenario realized here, which was exactly where we were headed, and that just brings up stark realities such as many of the words in this song:

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KING NOTHING!!!

Going back to Things 1 to 3, I need to tell you that your ship is no longer moored. You're not even in the harbour any more, and your ship has been set to drift at sea. You can all spend the rest of your time simply following the instructions you had been given, and to play the role of one of the owners again, I'll simplify this by saying, NO!. No we're not going to bother to change the directives you have at the top and then let it all trickle down, so that you will be receiving new instructions, that's not going to happen. It's too much f@cking work, is what it is. Way too much on todays date, and we just don't have the time. Things are moving really quickly now, so, just let them be, and in time, they will fade away. Of course they are still screaming out their disinformation and throwing poo poo caa caa on everything around themselves, and in time they will be further and further from shore and all will cease to even hear them any more at some point.

Also, that man I met who is one of our owners told me, just keep doing what you're doing. So, that's what I've been doing.

You know, my life over the last decade or so has been almost like that of an epic character in an epic movie. I allow intuition to guide me, and that has enabled me to just ... to just be at the right place and at the right time. If you ever talk to any of the people who do know me personally and have known me for a long time (I have friends whom I've been friends with for more than 40 years now) they will all talk similarly about the uncanny things that just ... happen.

:blushing:

My ego wants to say that, sure, it is an epic character and it is an epic movie, but who has seen it???? hahahahahaha The reality is, everyone has. Every single person I know is aware of what I'm doing, if not in full detail, at least the highlights, and that already is everyone.

And I have to say this about the trolls here in Avalon: I was kind of surprised that they were not only here, of all places, but that they are also here in numbers such as they are. I don't know, I was just surprised by it.

I wrote a piece here a short while ago with the title O2, and that ended up being ... a cluster f@ck full of Things 1 to 3. What a nightmare that scenario was. I'm trying to help people, and these Things just kept showing up and throwwing poo poo caa caa all over everything I was trying to parlay here. "I disagree" "No, it isn't like that at all, it is like this:" "I'M NOT CONVINCED"

8 PAGES OF MOSTLY BULLSH1T, WITH 160 OR SO ENTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIE!!!

Well ... live and learn, I guess. You may have already deduced that this thread has moved along much smoother, however, there are STILL many more comments here than I would have liked. This is why I like some things of f/b better. I can block people and never.ever hear from them again, and nor will they ever be able to read my stuff ever.again.

I did that little "I'm quitting and taking my things and going home" right at the beginning of this thread, to avoid all of that bullpucky, and while it wasn't perfect, it has been much better than the last time.

:blushing:

I have an answer to all those who spew words such as "I'm not convinced"

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C'mon, tell me who are you, you you ahhhhhhhhhhhhh YOU!!!

:clapping:

So then, while I have not seen or talked to the man I met in Beijing since, I do feel their presence all the time. I'm an awesome Scout, and at times I do believe that all some need do is wonder about something, and then the next day, or day after, if you keep reading all the things I write, the answer will be there. Allowing intuition to guide you is a learned thing, and it gets better in time, but the first thing you need do is chase away your ego and also 99% of the knowledge you have in your head that was installed by others.

And, I was in Beijing January to April in 2010, and, by 2011, this company had happened:

www.teslamotors.com

Go to that site, and then click on "Find Us"

Zoom that map back out, and look on with awe. You can drive clear across America today, and not pay one red cent for gasoline or electricity all the way. Most of Europe and China now too.

This is happening. And like I said, time is against us these days. There is no fan fare, no, ceremonies, no nothing of the sort. It is only a matter of time before you talk to the owner of an electric vehicle yourself, and wow, are you going to feel stupid when you realize that they are, because of the complete omission of monies to travel, that they do NOT pay, that you KEEP PAYING, you are the one, in the end, who has been a fool.

The "keeping up with the Jones's" will see this spread everywhere, it will.

And to all the Things 1 to 3 out there, no, no you do not have to keep the job you have. You are free to find employment anywhere else you like these days. There is and will continue to be things for all of us to do during this transition, and, that sleeping giant known as the electric motor, has indeed, been awakened.

But again, they do not talk to each other, enough. As a metaphor, the existing industries are like a massive flywheel, 30 thousand feet tall, and full of equipment and personnel, and all on board know that they have to keep the wheel turning across the surface. This is much work, weight from the back has to be continuously moved to the front top to keep the forward momentum going, and labourers and management et all keep it going.

It's hard to stop, you may say, and you'd be correct. As one of the owners I'd know many of those involved, and I would have given my word to many of them that they were ok, and, permanent in employ.

My word is my word, and they do have rules at the top, just like everywhere else.

Now, I didn't know the impact I had until later, that's for sure. It's literally, half way round the world, 12 time zones, from here to there. I felt good about what had happened, but the distance kept it ... simple. Not complex thought transfers, just the highlights.

And again, this transfer of paradigm is happening. It's MY f@cking stage, and everything on there is also ... MINE!

And we are by no means out of the woods yet. It's a big f@cking wheel, several of them, and they are still spinning, every one of them. These changes will be slow, and in the case of extinction, once a creature falls to the forest floor and doesn't get up, and it was the last of its' kind, we will NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN!!!!!!!

There are and will continue to be many many open doors in front of all of us during this paradigm shift, and the opportunities for all are there.

The End


(takes a bow)

[Earthlink]

It's done.

But I still need you to all participate in the transition, I really do. It is so difficult stopping a 30 thousand foot high monstrous flywheel, and what IS at stake is everything.

If you appreciate humour you'll see what is funny about my interactions here with Things 1 to 3. They are simultaneously the anti-me, all while I am merely helping them. That's why I find it funny. F@cking dummies.

And, in order for you to participate, like I said, go electric. Put the fire down and step away. It is happening, whether you approve or not, it's not your f@cking stage and it's not your say. And don't wait for further instructions either, they're not coming.

Invest in this now awoken sleeping giant, and you'll be fine.

And I am friggin' physically exhausted!!! The biology of my brain is hot now in places, from all the electrical energy activity of steady thinking and writing that goes into acts such as this.

I need a nap now. And fret not, ZooLife, for while in the energy stream that is the dreamscape, that source from which all began, I can see and be a part of everything : )

:boink:

[Earthlink]

And, uh, DeDukshyn, perhaps now you see clearer why I laugh sometimes when it may have otherwise seemed inappropriate.

They're not going to try to stop me, but in order for that to be true, the rest in the group had to concede that they would not help me either. That's the deal I got.

So then, that means I need to turn to society in general, and get help from them.

Is that f@cking funny or what?

bwaaa hahahahahahahaha I need to go into the mainscream dominated culture, prolific with Things 1 to 3, and get their help?!?!?!?!?! Fortunately, I think at least someone realized the folly in that, and I don't know who, nor do I care, the only thing I do care about is that that sleeping giant known as the electric motor has now been awoken.

Any Engineers here, hands on DIY'ers I would encourage you to re-examine perpetual motion now. It's as real as I am. Magnets, permanent magnets, will do work for a very very long time, no fossil fuels required. IF you actually KNOW anything about electrical construction, you should already know that stepping up or down power flow is child's play, all you need as a base is the original movement.

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[Earthlink]

Morning, noon and night. The three stages of my life. Every day.

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Not necessarily in that order.

[Earthlink]

Grumpy hungover Sunday rant:

The most erroneous thing I've ever heard the mainscream media scream into peoples faces has been the talk of extinctions.

"extinction happens all the time"

"perfectly normal"

Someone should have shot them right then and there before they ever put that to paper.

If something goes extinct here, it could be 400 million years before anything similar evolves back here again.

I've actually un-friended people because they simply repeated those words and that notion. How could anyone possibly go along with that?!?!

I know the answer is that they didn't think it through.

At all.

Anyway, it was, again, and has been for years now, pretty quiet outside when I got home last night.

In my mind right now there's a vision of fire coming out of my mouth, lots of it, and it is burning and erasing all of those people who went along with that. Extinction is perfectly normal and happens all the time and now I'm extincting you and your entire family, erasing your very existence from the face of this Earth.

rant over

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[Earthlink]

What's in a name? Personally I find names to be too limiting. We are all much more than just the 3 or more names that were chosen for us, in most cases, before birth. The first time I gave myself another name other than the recorded birth names, was in primary school, when I said that my first name is David, but my second name is always Love. Depending on what I'm doing, sometimes I'm Tony Stark, when I'm building things, and some times I'm Lao Tzu while being philosophical, or David Bowie while being musical.

And 2 years after I returned from my first trip to Beijing, I called myself Frodo for the first time, for, that is what I did. I walked right into the place where the most of this activity is ongoing, and no, I didn't slay all the orcs or destroy the ring of power or anything like that, however I did successfully lobby for a paradigm shift, and walked out of there.

That's why I used the words "takes a bow" at the end of post 34 above.

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