Robert David Steele

[amor]

While all of the above are distinct possibilities, I remember reading "Alternative 3" years ago which spoke about kidnapping humans called "batch consignments" to work as SLAVE LABOR on MARS. They worked so hard and were treated so badly that they only lived about 15 years. Also, it was suggested that a catastrophe was expected on Earth, Nibiru; and saving children to continue the human race and train them Nazi style for their type of world fits well with everything I read in that book. NASA, never a straight answer, is a military blind for stupid people. If the Elite are planning to Nuke planet Earth's population when and/or if Nibiru passes, grand genocide, then children on Mars makes perfect sense. I also believe that their so called "Rovers" are roving on some desolate part of Earth as an excuse for the money they are using elsewhere.

[Bill Ryan]

This thing seemed strange right from the get go. Child slaves go on "a 20 year ride to Mars"? That begs for more details.

Well, that comes from Corey Goode's story. While I'm certain the secret space program is a realty, and we visited Mars quite some time ago, I don't believe the 'child slave labor' thing for a moment.


While all of the above are distinct possibilities, I remember reading "Alternative 3" years ago which spoke about kidnapping humans called "batch consignments" to work as SLAVE LABOR on MARS.

The Alternative 3 TV program was a fiction (it was due to have been released on 1 April, but was rescheduled) — but, interestingly enough, the author (Leslie Watkins) of the book of the same name stated that he later came to realize that some of what had been fictionally spoofed might have been quite real. Discussion thread here:


Alternative 3, 1977 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27740-Alternative-3-1977)

[neutronstar]

It was this site that made me question Alex Jones as possible controlled opposition/disinformation agent after all. And as far as Robert David Steele.... any "former" agent of the CIA, NASA, FBI etc. etc. is not to be trusted as a purveyor of truth in my opinion or should at least be taken extremely skeptically. I'm of the "once a part of the cabal always a part of the cabal" ilk and I cant think of better disinfo agents than "former" members of these agencies....

Not everyone in Government agencies are part of the "cabal". Most are just as clueless as the average person. They do their jobs and for the most part are good people.

You make an excellent point neutronstar but my counterpoint is this; do you really think the average government worker/good noodle would be allowed to speak publicly about accurate plans of tptb?

My answer is hellllll nooooooo. If the DNC killed Seth Rich for leaking those emails, I doubt tptb would think twice before silencing a good/average government worker who was about to spill something as deep as what RDS and Mr. Jones are discussing in the clip.

My statement was simply about you saying that because he work for the Gov. you have to be part of the cabal. RDS, I have no idea about him other than I feel like he isn't what he says he is. The whole children to mars really makes question him. We have the tech. to get there in these anti-gravity craft, so I know we must have bases there. But sending children there, come on.

It makes me think they are trying to ridicule the idea that we could have bases on mars. Maybe they think something is coming out that they are trying to get ahead of. Hell, I don't know. It is just a really weird statement.

[Andrew_K]

Steele also mentioned the slave labor on Mars in an earlier interview with Jordan Sather. You can hear him talk about it at the 30:30 mark. I've transcribed this section, where Steele answers the question of where the missing trillions have gone.


RDS: They didn't lose the money. I believe it was split. I believe it was split three ways. I believe one-third of it has gone to secret space exploration, posibly even likely including a colony on Mars that has been populated by kidnapped kids who grow up on their way to Mars. Okay? I don't know myself. I have no direct knowledge, but everything I read suggests to me that we have in fact colonized Mars, and it's a very, very secret program.

JS: Is that the “20 and back” program?

RDS: Yes! Exactly. And that's why some of the technologies are classified, because they're ani-aging technologies, propulsion technolgies— There's a whole bunch of stuff.

JeGwCPRojJo
Also interesting is that at 23:00, Steele says here that he considers Benjamin Fulford to be a reliable source. Make what you will out of this:


RDS: What I'm hearing from Benjamin Fulford and others— You know I always apply the 80/20 rule. I take 80% of what Benjamin Fulford says and extremely valuable, and I'm skeptical about 20%.

[Tantauri]

From my research I have concluded that RDS is genuine and sincere and his project with Cynthia McKinney is worthy of serious consideration by Avalon members and all Americans. Especially appropriate on the day we commemorate the first American revolution for independence and freedom.

https://www.generosity.com/education-fundraising/unrig-summer-of-peace

MISSION: To restore integrity and truth to governance, with the informed will and wisdom of We the People at its heart.

Also much info re the "deep state" @ https://phibetaiota.net/

[Siren Master]

Woah. Hold up, there. I'm a P.R.O.G.R.E.S.S.I.V.E and have many friends who are on the cutting edge of new economic, social and educational advancements. Don't start down this path, please. This marginalization only divides you from the very people who have real skin in the game of change for the better. Thank you. That is all.






Mod note from Bill: who/what are you replying/referring to? It's not clear — at least to me!. Do pls feel free to edit this post adding the quote (i.e. all or part of a previous post)... and you can also remove this comment, of course.


Mod note from Sierra: Source
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98589-Robert-David-Steele-drops-a-bomb-on-the-Alex-Jones-show&p=1164065&viewfull=1#post1164065


exactly TargeT, exactly....Besides, never E.V.E.R trust a 'Progressive'....it always leads down the wrong path!

[we-R-one]

From my research I have concluded that RDS is genuine and sincere and his project with Cynthia McKinney is worthy of serious consideration by Avalon members and all Americans. Especially appropriate on the day we commemorate the first American revolution for independence and freedom.

https://www.generosity.com/education-fundraising/unrig-summer-of-peace

MISSION: To restore integrity and truth to governance, with the informed will and wisdom of We the People at its heart.

Also much info re the "deep state" @ https://phibetaiota.net/


One thing the ‘Progressives’ have mastered is to tell people one thing and then do the opposite. So their statements above are meaningless to me. Progressives are not about ‘independence and freedom’, completely the opposite! The core of the Progressive Movement supports Agenda 21. Do you know what Cynthia McKinney supports?

Please see my research from a past post:

Cynthia McKinney too is a 'Progressive' regardless of past 'performances'. How do I know? This is how you do it....google her name...go to her wikipedia page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

Note: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the Progressive movement as the party has long been taken over!

Look to the right under her picture where it says political party....Red flag number 1...She's from the Democratic Party, the heart of the Progressive movement. Red flag number 2....She's a member of the Green Party. Click on 'Green'. What does it say:

"The Green Party of the United States (GPUS or Greens) is a green and progressive political party in the United States"

and this:

"The party, which is the country's fourth-largest by membership, promotes environmentalism, nonviolence, social justice, participatory grassroots democracy, gender equality, LGBT rights, anti-war and anti-racism. On the political spectrum the party is generally seen as left-wing, and in 2016 officially self-described as an anti-capitalist party."

Anti-racism?? Couldn't have fooled me, lol. Non-violent?? Do I really have to explain that one?

Also from the same Wikipedia page:
“According to the Anti Defamation League, McKinney's use of the New Black Panther Party as security, given that organization's use of antisemitic and racist invective, and her failure to distance herself from that group, are "troubling."[37] Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp addressed McKinney's defeat saying: "voters sent a message: 'We're tired of these over-the-top congressmen dealing in great international and national interests. How about somebody looking out for our interests?' "

Seriously? The New Black Panther Party? Do you understand what these people support?? Additionally:
Cynthia McKinney’s use of The New Black Panther Party revealed on her Wikipedia page. And it’s exactly how ‘Progressives’ perceive/believe they should behave when they don’t get their way! One has to ask, if anyone falls out of line, will they hire these thugs to kick you’re a$$ into alignment?….But hey on the seven graphic overview chart on the UNRIG website it clearly says ‘Love Not War’ and oh by the way, ‘Apply the Golden Rule, we cannot win with guns’. Is this implying we should all cough ‘em up and abandon our 2nd Amendment Rights?

How’s the inability to defend oneself and your families working for you fellow U.K. forum members? For your own safety, please don’t respond….as your every word is currently under surveillance due to the current High Alert status being imposed on the people thanks to the soft policies and open door environment for the ‘religion of peace’ fanatics created by your government who cares about you. In all sincerity...I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004...slamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

How can anyone comfortably ‘follow’ this woman? It was said on her Wikipedia page that even her constituents lost faith in her leadership abilities due to her unwavering support of international affairs over local interest.

Under the current climate, what concerns me about this endeavor UNRIG is the people involved seem to support the Progressive stance.

They 'demand':
"No later than 7 November 2017, that the President of the United States of America and the Congress of the United States, shall introduce and then pass the Election Reform Act of 2017"

or else: "If the U.S. Government fails to enact the Election Reform Act of 2017 by 7 November 2017, a nationwide General Strike will be called, and We the People will immediately begin to work toward the impeachment, recall, and/or public disenfranchisement of each Senator and each Representative failing to support the passage of the Election Reform Act."

So are they gonna sick the McKinney's New Black Panther Party security on those who don't sign up? They've already written Trump off and he's not even halfway into his term! They post images of people under the title Notional Coalition, who I don't think have even endorsed their cause, it looks misleading if you don't scrutinize carefully. So once they 'reel' people into their cause, will they then push their 'progressive' stance? Currently this screams 'Psyop' to me and I have a hard time following a person who proclaims 'integrity' when he served under a corrupt organization for over 10yrs. known as the CIA.



More on the Progressive Movement:
http://www.agenda21course.com/novemb...ter/#more-1928

"Table of Contents
Introduction

History of the Progressive Movement

Deceitful Tactics Used by the Progressives

What are the Tenets of Progressivism?

Conclusion
__________________________________________________ ______________

Introduction

Do You Really Understand What a Progressive is, their history, their goals, and their tactics? If you cannot answer this question, you cannot intelligently cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. If you read this newsletter, you can get the information you need to vote wisely.
__________________________________________________ _______________
History of the Progressive Movement

The effort to transform America and Europe into the chaotic mess they are today has been “progressing” for well over 100 years. Those who have caused this so-called “progress” are known as Progressives. The following is the short history of Progressivism.

Progressivism was the reform movement that ran from the late 19th century through the first decades of the 20th century, during which leading intellectuals and social reformers in the United States sought to address the economic, political, and cultural questions that had arisen in the context of the rapid changes brought with the Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern capitalism in America. The Progressives believed that these changes marked the end of the old order and required the creation of a new order appropriate for the new industrial age.
Sound pretty good, doesn’t it? But if Progressivism is such a good idea, wouldn’t the American People accept it willingly; without trickery and deceit? Let’s investigate this a bit further.

Deceitful Tactics Used by the Progressives

The Progressives favorite strategies for the advancement of their policies are those found in Rules for Radicals written by Saul Alinski; the same Saul Alinsky about whom Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis. These Progressive strategies include

1. …”overwhelming their enemies’ systems”. The Progressives throw so much at their adversaries that their adversaries literally are so bogged down they cannot function.
2. …”controlling the message”. This means never give press conferences-only give infrequent scripted speeches where questions are not allowed or if forced to admit something which makes the Progressive look bad, put it out late in the news cycle on Friday, etc.,)
3. … total demonization of their opponents, even if the Progressives have to lie or cheat to do so. This causes the citizens receiving this negative information to engage their emotions, while shutting down their logical thinking. In this way the citizens learn to hate (a powerful emotion) whomever the Progressives are attempting to smear, instead of stepping back and looking to see if the “evidence” is true or if the citizen is simply being distracted from other issues which have a much greater significance to the citizens’ lives.
4. … “the ends justify the means”. This means it does not matter how unethical or illegal are the tactics, as long as the Progressives are successful.
5. …”never let a crisis go to waste”. This means take advantage of an existing crisis or create a crisis, and then swoop in and present a pre-planned solution which coincidentally moves the country/globe a bit further down the path towards control of the globe by the elite and the loss of liberty for the citizens.

If one is paying any attention to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign, one should easily recognize these strategies have been used over and over again. That is because Hillary is a self-proclaimed Progressive.

The Democrat Party of today is nothing like the Democrat Party of 30 years ago because today’s Democrat Party has been replaced by the Progressive Party. This explains why today’s so-called Democrat Party uses Progressive/Saul Alinsky tactics and works in lock-step with Progressive Hillary Clinton in all matters. However, in an effort to “control the message” the Progressives have chosen to NOT come out of the closet and make the official announcement that the Democratic Party is dead. The Progressives have conned the American public using a bait and switch tactic. When is today’s Democrat Party going to come clean and officially re-label themselves the “Progressive Party” so the average citizen is made aware of this and can rethink what this “new” party stands for?

You must know what a party stands for. You cannot cast your vote on whether you “like” the candidate. You are not inviting him/her to dinner. You can dislike a candidate because you do not like the principles upon which he/she will be building their policies. That said do YOU know what the “Progressive Party” stands for? Or do you just have some fuzzy, feel-good sense that their policies seem “nice”? Not good enough. If Hillary Clinton is elected, you will be exposed to a rapid acceleration of Progressive policies in America."

So take note...Cynthia McKinney wouldn't be endorsing Robert David Steele unless he was a Progressive and vice versa!!




Woah. Hold up, there. I'm a P.R.O.G.R.E.S.S.I.V.E and have many friends who are on the cutting edge of new economic, social and educational advancements. Don't start down this path, please. This marginalization only divides you from the very people who have real skin in the game of change for the better. Thank you. That is all.
When anyone tells me they’re a ‘Progressive’ it says to me they promote/support the policies of Agenda 21 because that is the very core of what ‘Progressive movement’ supports whether you are aware of this or not….most people aren’t aware of what they’re actually supporting which is why so many are fooled. When you vote Democrat, it’s a vote for the ‘Progressive’ movement as this party has been completely taken over. Please make sure you read this entire post. Equally, you see this going on in the Republican party, but it has not been completely usurped. There is nothing ‘Progressive’ about Agenda 21.

The endgame is this:
UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

I can’t see anything more un-American than the above…and what they want is for you to give up your sovereignty and everything you’ve worked for all in the name of green. There is nothing ‘progressive’ about it. I have no problem with some of the ‘green movement’ concepts, but these people take it to a level many of us cannot support. THIS IS WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS. So I would be careful about claiming to be a ‘Progressive’ as I would ask you to stand in line, cough up your sovereignty first and oh by the way you can start by living in a 200sq. foot box as seen here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVjNA7wstjQ


THE CORE OF THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT SUPPORTS AGENDA 21 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES!



SOURCE: See here for more detailed research: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
I believe this site at times might be blocked by google so if you can’t get the link to pull up, put it in a search engine and you should be able to find it.


PS No I'm not being mean, this is the truth, this is what the research shows.

[neutronstar]

These arguments about liberalism, progressive, conservatism, they tiring. It basically comes down to two issues, change (liberal and progressive), and no change (conservative). We need a balance between the two, because when one gets all the control it becomes destructive. Obviously the people who want to control the world always latch on to liberal or progressive movements, but if society is stagnant, that is not healthy ether.

Liberals aren't bad. Progressives aren't bad. Conservatives aren't bad. Most people that cling to these parties have good intentions, unfortunately they don't see that the other parties have good ideas as well. There must be a balance.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Liberals aren't bad. Progressives aren't bad. Conservatives aren't bad.

In fact, they have much more in common than they think. And each side is convinced the other doesn't share their values even when they do. They have been convinced as a matter of policy. The great animosity that we see today is the result of social engineering. It is easy and obvious for the free mind to perceive clearly. Keep the peasants fighting each other while the rulers live off the fat of their labor. Foster division. Create an enemy.

Even in places where people claim to seek a more enlightened way, such as beloved Avalon. It's very sad to see.

Let us not be fools who fall for such things. Someone needs to light the way. That's a concept that we used to talk about long ago at Avalon. Someone needs to light the way.

[Louis Sullivan]

From my research I have concluded that RDS is genuine and sincere and his project with Cynthia McKinney is worthy of serious consideration by Avalon members and all Americans. Especially appropriate on the day we commemorate the first American revolution for independence and freedom.

https://www.generosity.com/education-fundraising/unrig-summer-of-peace

MISSION: To restore integrity and truth to governance, with the informed will and wisdom of We the People at its heart.

Also much info re the "deep state" @ https://phibetaiota.net/

Ok, I just read through the generosity site, did some research on the earth intelligence network 501(3)c and some additional research into RDS. Personally, I am still on the fence. While I love the the #UNRIG mission's message and agree with many of the points, and would absolutely love to see it succeed, forgive me for I remain highly skeptical. Could be elaborate window dressing for something sinister. Could be an actual positive movement of change. I just dont know and no one will until actual change starts to happen. (I am a poor U.S. college student so its not like I have the means to donate to it anyways)

I do very much appreciate you taking the time to post the links giving further insight into RDS. I respect your opinion on RDS and hope you respect mine. He may very well be genuine and sincere as you say he is. He could be genuine and sincere and still be giving out disinfo. He could be engaging in a limited hangout op as some posters above have theorized. Only time will tell.

Addendum: Language is important and upon rexamining RDS Mars claim he always says "I believe" and above even says he has no direct knowledge. Maybe he is legit and is merely speculating on the Mars claim?

[we-R-one]

These arguments about liberalism, progressive, conservatism, they tiring. It basically comes down to two issues, change (liberal and progressive), and no change (conservative). We need a balance between the two, because when one gets all the control it becomes destructive. Obviously the people who want to control the world always latch on to liberal or progressive movements, but if society is stagnant, that is not healthy ether.

Liberals aren't bad. Progressives aren't bad. Conservatives aren't bad. Most people that cling to these parties have good intentions, unfortunately they don't see that the other parties have good ideas as well. There must be a balance.



Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

Then let us create it. Be the change we wish to see. :-)

[norman]

Liberal v Conservative doesn't even get close to it.

The problem is more like a range of dots ( that need joining ) that range out beyond the mist limit line of the average human's comprehension.

All the near distance dots can be made to look conservative or Liberal according to which limited start point your political/world view consciousness sets out from.

This is the basic fault in the idea of organising change from the student level up. It's passed off as being 'ground up' but that's the dirty trick of the Magicians of world power and politics.

[neutronstar]

These arguments about liberalism, progressive, conservatism, they tiring. It basically comes down to two issues, change (liberal and progressive), and no change (conservative). We need a balance between the two, because when one gets all the control it becomes destructive. Obviously the people who want to control the world always latch on to liberal or progressive movements, but if society is stagnant, that is not healthy ether.

Liberals aren't bad. Progressives aren't bad. Conservatives aren't bad. Most people that cling to these parties have good intentions, unfortunately they don't see that the other parties have good ideas as well. There must be a balance.



Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

No, we are the problem. Catherine Austin Fitts's red button story says it all. It's rather depressing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTm3Jbr6ePQ

[Louis Sullivan]

Also from the same Wikipedia page:
“According to the Anti Defamation League, McKinney's use of the New Black Panther Party as security, given that organization's use of antisemitic and racist invective, and her failure to distance herself from that group, are "troubling."[37] Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp addressed McKinney's defeat saying: "voters sent a message: 'We're tired of these over-the-top congressmen dealing in great international and national interests. How about somebody looking out for our interests?' "

Seriously? The New Black Panther Party? Do you understand what these people support?? Additionally:
Cynthia McKinney’s use of The New Black Panther Party revealed on her Wikipedia page. And it’s exactly how ‘Progressives’ perceive/believe they should behave when they don’t get their way! One has to ask, if anyone falls out of line, will they hire these thugs to kick you’re a$$ into alignment?….But hey on the seven graphic overview chart on the UNRIG website it clearly says ‘Love Not War’ and oh by the way, ‘Apply the Golden Rule, we cannot win with guns’. Is this implying we should all cough ‘em up and abandon our 2nd Amendment Rights?

How’s the inability to defend oneself and your families working for you fellow U.K. forum members? For your own safety, please don’t respond….as your every word is currently under surveillance due to the current High Alert status being imposed on the people thanks to the soft policies and open door environment for the ‘religion of peace’ fanatics created by your government who cares about you. In all sincerity...I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004...slamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

Yikes. Like I said, could be window dressing for something sinister....

[AutumnW]

exactly TargeT, exactly....Besides, never E.V.E.R trust a 'Progressive'....it always leads down the wrong path!

I am confused about the meaning of your post. What exactly is a progressive?

[we-R-one]

Liberals aren't bad. Progressives aren't bad. Conservatives aren't bad.

In fact, they have much more in common than they think. And each side is convinced the other doesn't share their values even when they do. They have been convinced as a matter of policy. The great animosity that we see today is the result of social engineering. It is easy and obvious for the free mind to perceive clearly. Keep the peasants fighting each other while the rulers live off the fat of their labor. Foster division. Create an enemy.

Even in places where people claim to seek a more enlightened way, such as beloved Avalon. It's very sad to see.

Let us not be fools who fall for such things. Someone needs to light the way. That's a concept that we used to talk about long ago at Avalon. Someone needs to light the way.

Well my ‘values’ don’t involve ‘bullying’ or taking away one’s sovereignty. Let’s not ignore the core message the ‘Progressives’ stand for and the ‘end game’ they’ve been pushing for all these years,. There is nothing ‘enlightening’ about where they plan to take humanity. So ya, let’s not all be fools who fall for such things which is why I’ve taken the time to share what I’ve uncovered.



Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

Then let us create it. Be the change we wish to see. :-)

Creation starts by education which is exactly what I’m doing by posting what the research shows. These people have usurped the entire green movement and then some, so the simple statement ‘be the change we want to see’ at this point is just about impossible without enforcement to undo the damage. Trump has attempted to rectify some of the problems created by the 'Progressive' agenda via executive orders but there is much more work to be done.




Also from the same Wikipedia page:
“According to the Anti Defamation League, McKinney's use of the New Black Panther Party as security, given that organization's use of antisemitic and racist invective, and her failure to distance herself from that group, are "troubling."[37] Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp addressed McKinney's defeat saying: "voters sent a message: 'We're tired of these over-the-top congressmen dealing in great international and national interests. How about somebody looking out for our interests?' "

Seriously? The New Black Panther Party? Do you understand what these people support?? Additionally:
Cynthia McKinney’s use of The New Black Panther Party revealed on her Wikipedia page. And it’s exactly how ‘Progressives’ perceive/believe they should behave when they don’t get their way! One has to ask, if anyone falls out of line, will they hire these thugs to kick you’re a$$ into alignment?….But hey on the seven graphic overview chart on the UNRIG website it clearly says ‘Love Not War’ and oh by the way, ‘Apply the Golden Rule, we cannot win with guns’. Is this implying we should all cough ‘em up and abandon our 2nd Amendment Rights?

How’s the inability to defend oneself and your families working for you fellow U.K. forum members? For your own safety, please don’t respond….as your every word is currently under surveillance due to the current High Alert status being imposed on the people thanks to the soft policies and open door environment for the ‘religion of peace’ fanatics created by your government who cares about you. In all sincerity...I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004...slamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."
Yikes. Like I said, could be window dressing for something sinister....

‘Yikes’ is right and what I would expect/hope to hear and consider a normal response after reading what I posted! Thank you for taking the time to read my post and process the information. My response after reading about McKinney was more like WTF!!!……and it baffles me why more people don’t think the same! ‘Progressives’ want Sharia Law in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! It is part of their plan. Look at the mess going on in Europe, cause that’s exactly what they want going on here in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.



Did you know about this? Coming to a country near you?
Activists Expose Illegal ’Sharia Law’ Court
Muslim migrants create their own state within a state
https://www.infowars.com/activists-expose-illegal-sharia-law-court/
PLEASE READ THE ABOVE ARTICLE….MCKINNEY SUPPORT OF MILITANT ISLAMIC GROUPS SHOULD ALARM YOU!




exactly TargeT, exactly....Besides, never E.V.E.R trust a 'Progressive'....it always leads down the wrong path!

I am confused about the meaning of your post. What exactly is a progressive?

You’re confused because you didn’t read/or understand my post #28. In the post it briefly explains the history of the Progressive Movement.



To anyone who cares to answer:
1. So if you consider yourself a to be a ‘Progressive’ please explain why you think this is ok:
UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

2. And also explain to me why you would support someone who aligns with the New Black Panther Party:

“According to the Anti Defamation League, McKinney's use of the New Black Panther Party as security, given that organization's use of antisemitic and racist invective, and her failure to distance herself from that group, are "troubling."[37] Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp addressed McKinney's defeat saying: "voters sent a message: 'We're tired of these over-the-top congressmen dealing in great international and national interests. How about somebody looking out for our interests?' "

3. And, explain why you think this type of behavior isn’t concerning:

Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004...slamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

How can anyone comfortably ‘follow’ this woman? It was said on her Wikipedia page that even her constituents lost faith in her leadership abilities due to her unwavering support of international affairs over local interest.


My questions are legitimate and you cannot ignore how alarming their actions and viewpoints have become and this is what you are supporting when you follow or become a ‘Progressive’ whether you realize it or not as this is what the core group believes and supports. You can’t watch a few youtube video and become enamored by these people’s promises, fancy charts and websites. You have to be willing to dig deeper to see who these people really are, what and who they’re involved with and identify core behaviors and beliefs. YOU HAVE TO READ AND RESEARCH


I'm not trying to divide and conquer....this is what an intelligent person does when processing information to make a decision.

[AutumnW]

We-are-One, I missed your explanation because of the bold type, red text and other highlights. I shy away from communications like that automatically, so sometimes miss the obvious.

[AutumnW]

Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

Then let us create it. Be the change we wish to see. :-)

Thank you, Whisky Mystic,

I am trying to do this by first, watching how I interact with others and observing what my own flaws are. Character matters, now more than ever. Balance can't be achieved if we forget, through labelling, stereotyping and exaggerating, that we are dealing with fellow human beings.

Those on a personal warpath have to see beneath the outward appearance of a righteous drive for 'the truth' to their own egos that fuel a witch hunt mentality. They must stop playing mind games...with themselves.

[we-R-one]

Well if you shy away from that you will miss pertinent points. I write like that to make the posts easier on the eyes to read and more interesting. I highlight important information so it stands out so people can go back and refer and use for their own research. Most people won't read so it's why they don't understand what's going on. This I cannot help and I cannot write to please ever single viewer, I'm sure you will understand this.

[AutumnW]

Well if you shy away from that you will miss pertinent points. I write like that to make the posts easier on the eyes to read and more interesting. I highlight important information so it stands out so people can go back and refer and use for their own research. Most people won't read so it's why they don't understand what's going on. This I cannot help and I cannot write to please ever single viewer, I'm sure you will understand this.

I understand then that you are here to inform and teach?

[we-R-one]

Yes, balance is correct, unfortunately under the current climate I don't see this.

Then let us create it. Be the change we wish to see. :-)

Thank you, Whisky Mystic,

I am trying to do this by first, watching how I interact with others and observing what my own flaws are. Character matters, now more than ever. Balance can't be achieved if we forget, through labelling, stereotyping and exaggerating, that we are dealing with fellow human beings.

Those on a personal warpath have to see beneath the outward appearance of a righteous drive for 'the truth' to their own egos that fuel a witch hunt mentality. They must stop playing mind games...with themselves.


This isn't 'witch hunting' these are facts as plain as day. Who's exaggerating? Mind games really? So facts are now mind games?

I'm sharing what I've uncovered. I provide links so people can follow up on their own. You can check the information for yourself, in fact, I encourage it. It takes a lot of time to put some of these posts together in a succinct manner. I cannot help if people don't like the methods or results of what the research shows.

[AutumnW]

We-R-One, I apologize if I offended you. I was making a general statement about things that place wedges between people.

We are living in a fact vacuum. The mainstream media is the handmaiden of covert civilian agencies. Unfortunately, from MY research, much of right wing alternative media, is influenced by the deep state too -- but different branch. Military intelligence is involved there.

Maybe other people can read your posts and appreciate the highlighting. I find the highlighting visually distracting.

Take care!

[AutumnW]

We-R-One,

Will pm you for clarification. :sherlock:

[onawah]

So what do you think about Conservatives like the Koch Brothers and the troglodytes in Trump's Cabinet who care nothing about decimating the environment and enriching the rich at the expense of the poor?
Do you think that's OK, just so long as they aren't "Progressives"?
That kind of labeling is not only short-sighted, but deceptive, imho.
I live in Arkansas, which hasn't recovered yet from the Progressive Clintons and is currently undergoing an attempted takeover by the Conservative Koch brothers. One is every bit as bad as the other.


This isn't 'witch hunting' these are facts as plain as day. Who's exaggerating? Mind games really? So facts are now mind games?

I'm sharing what I've uncovered. I provide links so people can follow up on their own. You can check the information for yourself, in fact, I encourage it. It takes a lot of time to put some of these posts together in a succinct manner. I cannot help if people don't like the methods or results of what the research shows.

[we-R-one]

We-R-One, I apologize if I offended you. I was making a general statement about things that place wedges between people.

We are living in a fact vacuum. The mainstream media is the handmaiden of covert civilian agencies. Unfortunately, from MY research, much of right wing alternative media, is influenced by the deep state too -- but different branch. Military intelligence is involved there.

Maybe other people can read your posts and appreciate the highlighting. I find the highlighting visually distracting.

Take care!

Ya, I am offended and your comments were unfairly directed at me which is painfully obvious otherwise you wouldn’t have said it in such a passive aggressive manner. You clearly are not reading what I post in its entirety nor are you processing the information as how can you if you don’t read? I provided links that weren’t necessarily right wing, so your statement makes no sense. So are you saying the Wikipedia post link I gave is inaccurate and the entire information contained within it? And if this is true, why hasn’t McKinney done any editing to correct it? The page shows it was last edited June 30, 2017, so if there’s discrepancies don’t you think she’d have it corrected?

Are you saying author Daniel Pipes’ information on McKinney is inaccurate? If you would have read his article you would see where he quoted the information from the Washington Post, the New York Post and the Detroit Free Press and even provided an official email letter… Are you saying all those media outlets are right winged/alternative and therefore don’t bother listening to anything they have to say because they might be deep state?

Do you even know what ‘deep state’ means? Progressives are ‘deep state’ and if you don’t understand please ask and I’ll explain.....but you're gonna have to read.

Oh and did you miss this link I gave? http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Tons of information and resources on there, and look she’s(Rosa Korie), a Democrat! So is her researched information erroneous too? I can tell you how it started in my country….look at Executive Order 12852. Do you know how it started in yours? Can you post a timeline for us on how it’s being implemented in Canada? Unfortunately for Canadians you have lost your sovereignty like so many other countries in the world and while the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA isn’t completely out of the woods, many of us are taking a stance against becoming a socialist nation. We value what little sovereignty we have left and don’t want to lose anymore than we already have.

You just told another forum member on a different thread in regard to their long posts: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98164-Not-so-fast-a-guide-to-better-posting&p=1164443&viewfull=1#post1164443


“Speaking for myself, due to cataracts, short attention span, I find them hard to read.”

In all honestly, In this case in regards to this specific discussion, the complexity of what’s taking place and the false web of deceit being spun does not care if you or anyone else trying to ‘figure all this out’, has cataracts and a short attention span, in fact they’re counting on it! Thanks for proving my point! IF ONE DOESN’T READ THEY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS TAKING PLACE BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.

Your comments come across as fluff and don’t answer the immediate concerns I’ve posted nor answer the valid questions I asked. How can you be taken seriously if you openly admit that you don't read and can't read?

PS The “bold type, red text” that you didn’t want to read on my previous post….. that’s how it appears on Rosa Koire’s website in the link I provided, the point being to get your attention so if you don't understand anything else..you understand the 'end game' of what the 'Progressives' support.


So what do you think about Conservatives like the Koch Brothers and the troglodytes in Trump's Cabinet who care nothing about decimating the environment and enriching the rich at the expense of the poor?
Do you think that's OK, just so long as they aren't "Progressives"?
That kind of labeling is not only short-sighted, but deceptive, imho.


This isn't 'witch hunting' these are facts as plain as day. Who's exaggerating? Mind games really? So facts are now mind games?
I'm sharing what I've uncovered. I provide links so people can follow up on their own. You can check the information for yourself, in fact, I encourage it. It takes a lot of time to put some of these posts together in a succinct manner. I cannot help if people don't like the methods or results of what the research shows.

Hey Onwah, this thread isn’t about the Koch Brothers or Trump’s Cabinet. Please get over using the ‘labeling’ excuse. I didn’t make up the word ‘Progressive’….’they’ did and that’s what ‘they’ call themselves and that is what they’re currently referred to in the history books. ‘They’ are ‘Progressives’ and ‘they’ support a specific agenda which is the platform used by the Democratic Party. Whether people like labeling or not is irrelevant, as identifying the proper parties is required when having discussions so people know who one is referring to. The Progressive Movement is ‘deep state’.

Please see www.democratsagainstagenda21.com as posted earlier for more in depth information to research on your own.

Now.... I plan on enjoying the rest of my 4th of July while I can, because if the ‘Progressives’ get their way, in due time they’ll annihilate this holiday along with all the other sovereign freedoms our forefathers fought so gallantly for long ago.


Still waiting for someone to answer my 3 questions on post #38.....

[onawah]

You posted just as I posted an update to my post;

I live in Arkansas, which hasn't recovered yet from the Progressive Clintons and is currently undergoing an attempted takeover by the Conservative Koch brothers.
One is every bit as bad as the other.
They're BOTH "Deep State"! Nobody said the thread is about the Koch's or Trump's cabinet, as far as I know.
Why so hostile?
Don't you think the Conservative Deep State will also destroy our independence if we let them?
I don't see any reason to debate with you, or answer your questions, or vie with you in scoring points, or the point in even starting a discussion from such an angry place as you are in.'
I've found that anger can be a good fuel when nothing else works, but it doesn't work on the long term.
If you can enjoy the rest of the day, I hope you do. It really sounds like you could use some enjoyment!

[AutumnW]

We-R-One, I apologize if I offended you. I was making a general statement about things that place wedges between people.

We are living in a fact vacuum. The mainstream media is the handmaiden of covert civilian agencies. Unfortunately, from MY research, much of right wing alternative media, is influenced by the deep state too -- but different branch. Military intelligence is involved there.

Maybe other people can read your posts and appreciate the highlighting. I find the highlighting visually distracting.

Take care!

Ya, I am offended and your comments were unfairly directed at me which is painfully obvious otherwise you wouldn’t have said it in such a passive aggressive manner. You clearly are not reading what I post in its entirety nor are you processing the information as how can you if you don’t read? I provided links that weren’t necessarily right wing, so your statement makes no sense. So are you saying the Wikipedia post link I gave is inaccurate and the entire information contained within it? And if this is true, why hasn’t McKinney done any editing to correct it? The page shows it was last edited June 30, 2017, so if there’s discrepancies don’t you think she’d have it corrected?

Are you saying author Daniel Pipes’ information on McKinney is inaccurate? If you would have read his article you would see where he quoted the information from the Washington Post, the New York Post and the Detroit Free Press and even provided an official email letter… Are you saying all those media outlets are right winged/alternative and therefore don’t bother listening to anything they have to say because they might be deep state?

Do you even know what ‘deep state’ means? Progressives are ‘deep state’ and if you don’t understand please ask and I’ll explain.....but you're gonna have to read.

Oh and did you miss this link I gave? http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Tons of information and resources on there, and look she’s(Rosa Korie), a Democrat! So is her researched information erroneous too? I can tell you how it started in my country….look at Executive Order 12852. Do you know how it started in yours? Can you post a timeline for us on how it’s being implemented in Canada? Unfortunately for Canadians you have lost your sovereignty like so many other countries in the world and while the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA isn’t completely out of the woods, many of us are taking a stance against becoming a socialist nation. We value what little sovereignty we have left and don’t want to lose anymore than we already have.

You just told another forum member on a different thread in regard to their long posts: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98164-Not-so-fast-a-guide-to-better-posting&p=1164443&viewfull=1#post1164443


“Speaking for myself, due to cataracts, short attention span, I find them hard to read.”

In all honestly, In this case in regards to this specific discussion, the complexity of what’s taking place and the false web of deceit being spun does not care if you or anyone else trying to ‘figure all this out’, has cataracts and a short attention span, in fact they’re counting on it! Thanks for proving my point! IF ONE DOESN’T READ THEY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS TAKING PLACE BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.

Your comments come across as fluff and don’t answer the immediate concerns I’ve posted nor answer the valid questions I asked. How can you be taken seriously if you openly admit that you don't read and can't read?

PS The “bold type, red text” that you didn’t want to read on my previous post….. that’s how it appears on Rosa Koire’s website in the link I provided, the point being to get your attention so if you don't understand anything else..you understand the 'end game' of what the 'Progressives' support.


So what do you think about Conservatives like the Koch Brothers and the troglodytes in Trump's Cabinet who care nothing about decimating the environment and enriching the rich at the expense of the poor?
Do you think that's OK, just so long as they aren't "Progressives"?
That kind of labeling is not only short-sighted, but deceptive, imho.


This isn't 'witch hunting' these are facts as plain as day. Who's exaggerating? Mind games really? So facts are now mind games?
I'm sharing what I've uncovered. I provide links so people can follow up on their own. You can check the information for yourself, in fact, I encourage it. It takes a lot of time to put some of these posts together in a succinct manner. I cannot help if people don't like the methods or results of what the research shows.

Hey Onwah, this thread isn’t about the Koch Brothers or Trump’s Cabinet. Please get over using the ‘labeling’ excuse. I didn’t make up the word ‘Progressive’….’they’ did and that’s what ‘they’ call themselves and that is what they’re currently referred to in the history books. ‘They’ are ‘Progressives’ and ‘they’ support a specific agenda which is the platform used by the Democratic Party. Whether people like labeling or not is irrelevant, as identifying the proper parties is required when having discussions so people know who one is referring to. The Progressive Movement is ‘deep state’.

Please see www.democratsagainstagenda21.com as posted earlier for more in depth information to research on your own.

Now.... I plan on enjoying the rest of my 4th of July while I can, because if the ‘Progressives’ get their way, in due time they’ll annihilate this holiday along with all the other sovereign freedoms our forefathers fought so gallantly for long ago.


Still waiting for someone to answer my 3 questions on post #38.....

I have sent you a PM. I am sorry you are so upset.

[Tantauri]

We seem to have gotten onto another track here. The information on the links I posted speaks for itself, however, THE point is that unless people of all political stripes work together to expose and remove from power the "deep state" then we will all be their servants and everything else becomes secondary if not insignificant. First remove this cancer, then we can debate after we the people have real knowledge and power again.

[we-R-one]

What’s off track here is the constant promotion of ‘yahoo’s’ on this forum who are improperly vetted if even vetted at all.

You stated:

From my research I have concluded that RDS is genuine and sincere and his project with Cynthia McKinney is worthy of serious consideration by Avalon members and all Americans. Especially appropriate on the day we commemorate the first American revolution for independence and freedom.

https://www.generosity.com/education...ummer-of-peace

MISSION: To restore integrity and truth to governance, with the informed will and wisdom of We the People at its heart.

Also much info re the "deep state" @ https://phibetaiota.net/

Then you state:

We seem to have gotten onto another track here. The information on the links I posted speaks for itself, however, THE point is that unless people of all political stripes work together to expose and remove from power the "deep state" then we will all be their servants and everything else becomes secondary if not insignificant. First remove this cancer, then we can debate after we the people have real knowledge and power again.

Speaks for itself? No it doesn’t. Researching isn’t just skimming or cutting and pasting, it means you have to go beyond the links and fancy flow charts to investigate who these people are and what they support which clearly you didn’t do. They are ‘Progressives’ whether you like the name or not. Call it what it is. It’s no different than the use of the phrase ‘Islamic Terrorist’ which the media avoids. You can’t fix it if you don’t identify the problem by name! Common sense!

‘Progressives’ have an agenda which has been followed closely for the past 100 years. The results can be seen across the world whether it’s destabilization or usurped green movements. They suck you in telling you everything you want to here and it sounds all nice and agreeable because they are building their systems of network and control off the backs of ‘we the people’!!! Like I said, their endgame is this:

UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

After what I showed about Cynthia ‘Progressive’ McKinney do you still think she’s ‘worthy of serious consideration’…..your exact words?? Integrity? Really? She has so much ‘integrity’ that her own constituents dumped her,… did you read that part on her Wikipedia page? She has so much ‘integrity’ she bullied a D.C. cop who asked her for ID because she wasn’t following protocol. And if you think this is ‘false’ news, then explain why she isn’t in office anymore. The ‘Progressives’ are ‘Deep State’. Clearly your stance suggests you don't get the connection. The ‘Progressive’ Agenda supports/promotes Agenda 21 policies and procedures. The blueprint is being implemented in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and started via executive order 12852, minus congressional approval.

‘Deep State’ defined:

A body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.

“the deep state and its policy of allowing extremist ideologies to flourish may be the actual issues of concern”
Source: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...he-deep-state/

The Deep State at work:
President Eisenhower warned us. He called the “Deep State” at work the “military-industrial complex.”

“This shadowy secret government whose ultimate goal is the implementation of the so-called New World Order, is pulling the strings on the world’s puppet-heads of state and captains of industry. The term Deep State has recently gained traction, in addition to the use of terms like; shadow government, cabal, Rothschild Khazarian Mafia, The Powers That Be, the Luciferians, Illuminati, Elite; all referencing the same group of hidden Luciferian Satanists that detest and rob people. – The Deep State is an unelected insider-government within in the government.”
Source: http://finalwakeupcall.info/en/2017/...he-deep-state/

See that last sentence? Agenda 21 is The New World Order and is a promoted and enforced blueprint of an ‘unelected insider-government within the government’ as stated in the definition above here in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERCIA and started with executive order 12852.

So if this is your point:

We seem to have gotten onto another track here. The information on the links I posted speaks for itself, however, THE point is that unless people of all political stripes work together to expose and remove from power the "deep state" then we will all be their servants and everything else becomes secondary if not insignificant. First remove this cancer, then we can debate after we the people have real knowledge and power again.

Then why are you promoting a pair of yahoo’s(insert whatever word you prefer) who are tied to ‘Deep State’, and THE UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21?......Because Mr. Ex-CIA RDS and Cynthia ‘Progressive’ McKinney are tied to this agenda making them promoters of ‘deep state’ known as The New World Order.

Remember, one of their tactics is to tell you one thing and do the opposite!!! Oldest trick in the book and yet people fall for it over and over again. This is psychological war-fare.

So all the people who thanked your post because they agreed with your statement including you, please answer my 3 questions on post #38 why you think these ‘yahoo’s’ should be supported.

Oh and I’d be interested in knowing if any of you plan on sending a donation to ‘help bring Cynthia home’. Apparently she needs 250K to come home to pursue their ‘mission’ and they’re asking you to foot the bill. Makes Corey Goode sound like a cream puff! Taken from your link you ‘researched’.

“I am seeking $250,000 dollars to bring her back from Bangladesh and put us both on the road for five months ($50K a month, neither she nor I receive compensation from this fund).”

Yaaaa right…….Listen guys, I was involved in a National Movement a few years back called GET OUT OF OUR HOUSE, which was quite a feat because no one has ever taken any kind of solid program to that level for quite some time. It took millions of dollars to promote the cause across THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and was privately funded by a handful of Americans who had prospered well during their working careers. I came on board the last half of it. If I remember correctly they invested 10 years of their time trying to establish and promote a program to remove the special interest money within the election system in addition to electing every day citizens like you and I, but because the lamestream news wouldn’t give them traction on prime time, they couldn’t reach the critical mass needed to get over the hump. It was a beautiful program, non-partisan the whole nine yards.

UNRIG’s timeline is ‘pie in the sky’ dreaming if they think they can do it with 250k. And after all we’ve seen, how does one not think it would be quite concerning if they actually ended up getting promoted on lamestream primetime and with only 250k to boot? Wouldn’t that be revealing in itself?

Please thoroughly examine the content of what I’m showing you and then explain to the viewer why you support the endgame of Agenda 21 as these people do by their words and actions. I’ve noticed on Avalon if people don’t like the results of the evidence, they attack the person, their writing style, declare their inability to read…etc…rather than seriously examining the evidence which by the way doesn’t include just links to articles..open your eyes and look around you at what’s been done and being done. This isn’t a blue or red thing, this isn’t about calling names, it’s about identifying the problem and calling it for what it is…..Stop supporting these people who place their support in the ‘end game’. Learn to identify how this is being implemented in your own country so you can call out the supporters who are embedded on both sides of the fence.

If I’m understanding the content of the initial point of this thread it was suggested that RDS could possibly be part of the collusion of the Corey Goode story, which does seem plausible as GAIA has it’s own ties to the Deep State as well as Salla which is revealed in past financial funding on his personal Curricula Vitae.

Please don't ignore or sideswipe my questions, I understand it's confusing, truly I do. It has to be so you give up and don't follow along.

[norman]

The discussion in this thread is a good example (even a should-be recommendation for students) of why the diversity of starting positions has become the divide and rule machine, while actually showing us how to over come it.

Yes we need to root out the crooks and schemers. Yes we need to define who they really are. Yes, yes, yes, to all posters here.

[AutumnW]

Norman,

People use the term deep state without being at all clear what they are talking about. I think (emphasis on 'think' not 'know') I have a bit of an edge in understanding it just a tiny bit better because of my background, but I can't be sure either.

'Deep State' is like 'black projects.' We know there are clandestine operations and secret technology but we can't know exactly what is being done and how it is being done.

And people, once aware of these forces and struggling to define them, will be fodder for the likes of Corey Goode (clandestine deep state space programme) all the way up to the President and his minions who will sell hope in a similar way, by referring to this amorphous deep state, in the context of an enemy they are defeating.

The problem is primarily with defining who is friend and who is foe and who is neutral.

[AutumnW]

We-R-One,

Are you sourcing the links you are providing? Where did the original information come from, who owns the site and have you looked into that person's networks, affiliations?

Agenda 21, from what I have read, can be interpreted any number of ways, not all of them nasty.

[Tantauri]

Dear We R One and others:
If after viewing the websites I suggested and some of the many video interviews and writings, which I assume you have, you believe that Steele/McKinney are frauds and agents of the NWO/deep state, then so be it. You have stated your position quite extensively and thoroughly.
I respectfully disagree.
Either way, I believed it to be a topic of interest and worthy of consideration for this forum. Personally, I have neither the time nor interest in endless debate. Members can read and listen and decide for themselves.
With best wishes to all.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Tantauri, AutumnW, Onawah, and anyone else who wants to listen,

I'm sensing a tad bit of frustration here and there.

You guys are great. I love the way you show respect while you discuss topics which can often be contentious. I name you brothers and sisters. _()_

I don't have a strong opinion on RDS and CM one way or another, but I thank you for your contributions. I offer this unsolicited advice:

Don't debate, argue, or try to have a rational conversation with a belief system. It's a completely pointless exercise. You'll have more luck trying to convince a crack junkie that they don't need their next hit of crack. Because that is what you are looking at. Addiction.

People are deeply addicted to belief systems because they form the foundational basis of the reality model. (This is often true of both politics and religion) And a threat to the reality model is a threat of annihilation. It's a threat on identity and the existential self. That's why reactions can be so strong when it seems like civilized people should be able to talk about different approaches to solving policy issues (politics) or have a discussion about the nature of our relationship with the concept of divinity (religion).

We also see the identification of those who think differently as the enemy; lately in the form of liberals, conservatives, people of certain ethnicities, nationalities, or religions, or even economic groups. This is necessary for some and we see an almost desperate need to be in conflict. Even to the point of radically cherry picking information and filtering it through the aforementioned belief system. It's a deep delusion. Why do people need to do this? It's used to form the construct of self. Defining oneself in terms of conflict with another (person, ideaology, whatever) is much easier and safer than turning inward to confront your own demons or just figure your own self out.

I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I wish I had a solution to the dynamic, but I don't. People have to wake up to their own illusions in their own time.

Anyway, have discussions with people who can share ideas, agree or disagree, and consider different points of view. Talking to an addiction is just a waste of time.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

[we-R-one]

Tantauri, AutumnW, Onawah, and anyone else who wants to listen,

I'm sensing a tad bit of frustration here and there.

You guys are great. I love the way you show respect while you discuss topics which can often be contentious. I name you brothers and sisters. _()_


By calling out names and ignoring the rest who have contributed on this thread, you create the very division you claim you don’t support. Sadly, people on here don’t read and by their own admission, how can they ‘contribute’ if they don’t read. I politely read the links Tantauri provided, did he even read mine? I never stated the open source concept isn’t agreeable nor have I ever stated some of the ‘green’ concepts aren’t sensible just to be clear. Where I have issues is the core ‘end game’ of those running the show. Many have no idea of their existence when they sign up for these false dreams. It’s like a faceless entity lurking in the shadows. Facts are facts and you can ignore them all you want, but they’re not going away. You’re embedded in your own belief systems so I ask you follow your own advice. And by the way, I’m a California native myself, and I watched this movement destroy my state. People from California are moving out of their state in droves and invading the Pacific Northwestern states such as my own, to get away from the iron grip of taxes and regulations all in the name of green and open border policies! If it’s so great why are so many leaving?

I see no wisdom in your words only passive aggressive remarks taking jabs at me so you remain within the forum guidelines. I don’t need to be ‘inventoried and controlled’ in the name of ‘green’ thank you. Until we fix the energetic imbalance and over-patriarchal dominance taking place on this planet, these programs will be worthless and when you give up your sovereignty you are only one step closer to your demise as history clearly shows. How can I not think of Venezuela right now and what those poor people are dealing with. We’re not ready yet to be ‘one’, we have a long way to go.

[we-R-one]

We-R-One,

Are you sourcing the links you are providing? Where did the original information come from, who owns the site and have you looked into that person's networks, affiliations?

Agenda 21, from what I have read, can be interpreted any number of ways, not all of them nasty.

Oh dear o dear.....you are creating double work as you are not reading the links I provide, one in particular www.democratsagainstagenda21.com where you can find a plethora of information to answer your every question!

Seriously Autumn, if you are incapable of reading you will never understand anything on the topic.....if you truly want see how it's being done, you have to invest time in reading. Rosa Korie has studied Agenda 21 for years....wrote a book about it called Behind The Green Mask and has done endless interviews on the subject matter. She's a realtor in the Santa Rosa, CA area I believe and she started seeing the issues crop up when all the regulations being implemented were causing problems for her clients so she took the time to research more. She was shocked at what she uncovered

I gave you an Executive order 12852 where this is the beginning of the implementation of the 'inventory and control' agenda, which if you look it up, you can see what it entails. Executive orders are facts. If you don't understand what an Executive order means, please google for a definition so you can see how they're executed. If you truly want to understand what's being done in countries across the world including your own, I highly suggest reading this 300 page manifesto which I pulled off the the link I gave you twice now.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/uploads/4/4/6/6/4466371/agenda21-earth_summit-the_united_nations_programme_of_action_from_rio.pdf

You have much to learn and understand and yes, it is a commitment, but once you wrap your head around it, you will more easily be able to identify issues in your own country and their sources.

You don't have to worry about this information being phony baloney.....look all around you and you will see how it's being implemented; think of the end game,..... 'inventory and control'.

[thunder24]

We’re not ready yet to be ‘one’, we have a long way to go.

because we have not been left alone to figure it out ourselves without the intervening of "some" of "those others"...

Leave us alone and maybe we could be ready... but when looked at as property...C'est la vie... does not mean to be quiet and go off into the night...means it is what it is...stand up for your right...

[thunder24]

‘Deep State’ defined:

A body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.

“the deep state and its policy of allowing extremist ideologies to flourish may be the actual issues of concern”
Source: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...he-deep-state/

The Deep State at work:
President Eisenhower warned us. He called the “Deep State” at work the “military-industrial complex.”

“This shadowy secret government whose ultimate goal is the implementation of the so-called New World Order, is pulling the strings on the world’s puppet-heads of state and captains of industry. The term Deep State has recently gained traction, in addition to the use of terms like; shadow government, cabal, Rothschild Khazarian Mafia, The Powers That Be, the Luciferians, Illuminati, Elite; all referencing the same group of hidden Luciferian Satanists that detest and rob people. – The Deep State is an unelected insider-government within in the government.”.


Gadianton Robbers
See also Secret Combinations

In the Book of Mormon, a band of robbers founded by a wicked Nephite named Gadianton. Their organization was based on secrecy and satanic oaths.

Gadianton caused the destruction of the Nephite nation, Hel. 2:12–13.

The devil gave secret oaths and covenants to Gadianton, Hel. 6:16–32.

Secret combinations caused the destruction of the Jaredite nation, Ether 8:15–26.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/gadianton-robbers just another reference

[we-R-one]

Oh thanks for reminding me thunder24...I wanted to add another resource for AutumnW....the origination of the term 'Deep State' came from a fellow Canadian btw...Peter Dale Scott. Dark Journalist did a 2 Part series with Peter, Part 1 is here.

PART I

http://www.darkjournalist.com/s-scott3.php

If you follow the definition I provided and read how Agenda 21 is being implemented you will see how it fits into the 'Deep State' definition.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I see no wisdom in your words only passive aggressive remarks taking jabs at me so you remain within the forum guidelines.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/1s3t46_zpsx3xwrfcz.jpg

[7alon]

Argghh Kerrie pushing buttons again :facepalm: Haha she totally does this on purpose to show people that these guys know stuff. That is what I believe at least. To catch them out and make them annoyed about forbidden topics displays a more genuine individual.

7YQvY-bBSvg

[WhiteLove]

This is my take, based on gut feeling and some high octane speculation. With his background, RDS knows stuff about ETs and to me he appears to be bound by the exact same secret protection policies/agenda as Clinton, Obama and Trump. So in that way they all kind of belong to the same elite group having some similar insights into the topic that they for whatever reason are not allowed to talk about, serving their masters and they might not know exactly who those masters are, only that it becomes very dangerous if they start to speak. Technically that is one thing, it is just the way it is but has to be considered and noted.

Interestingly though, RDS comes across as authentic when he points out there are a thing or two more that people should know about Nasa. Considering what Nasa does it appears it knows much more than it shares. That makes it to some degree part of the same secrecy umbrella. He then connects and links that more broadly and points out the issue with so much deception going on that people are unaware of and that is something he feels important that he personally gets involved with, he finds that to be meaningful. This I like, this is important stuff he puts the focus on and might be one reason why he wants to be in the spotlight. (the other one is marketing)

I do not think he is a direct dis-information agent, I think some of his information is not true which he is unaware of. I think his insights into darkness is partly true because many have said the same things, for instance that they have been used as slave labor in various ways, which I think is true. All in all not any great conspiracy about him, but because he cannot speak about the more important facts, what is left in terms of content is somewhat thin.

The underlying issue here and this is true with many experiencers that come forward including those that the people have elected and trust, is they all must remain secret about that which all people want to know about and also actually need to know about. This is in general a growing issue, those that are aware of important things that belong to the people cannot remain secret about the same things forever and hence turn their back against the people, because for the evolution to progress and for the civilization to truly thrive the truth must be made available. The root to all evil is this hiding of information that forces people out in the dark because the people must have deceptions inside that they cannot resolve on their own.

[Helene West]

WM

“Don't debate, argue, or try to have a rational conversation with a belief system.” (you – above)
“You cannot have a discussion with a belief system.” (you – on another thread)

Is this the trending mind-control mantra going on lately?

You don’t want any belief systems on a Political thread?! LOL!!

Lobotomies for World Peace!! yea!

[Foxie Loxie]

Anyone interested in learning how NASA really operates should listen to David Adair's videos. It was an eye opener for me! :facepalm:

[AutumnW]

Tantauri, AutumnW, Onawah, and anyone else who wants to listen,

I'm sensing a tad bit of frustration here and there.

You guys are great. I love the way you show respect while you discuss topics which can often be contentious. I name you brothers and sisters. _()_

I don't have a strong opinion on RDS and CM one way or another, but I thank you for your contributions. I offer this unsolicited advice:

Don't debate, argue, or try to have a rational conversation with a belief system. It's a completely pointless exercise. You'll have more luck trying to convince a crack junkie that they don't need their next hit of crack. Because that is what you are looking at. Addiction.

People are deeply addicted to belief systems because they form the foundational basis of the reality model. (This is often true of both politics and religion) And a threat to the reality model is a threat of annihilation. It's a threat on identity and the existential self. That's why reactions can be so strong when it seems like civilized people should be able to talk about different approaches to solving policy issues (politics) or have a discussion about the nature of our relationship with the concept of divinity (religion).

We also see the identification of those who think differently as the enemy; lately in the form of liberals, conservatives, people of certain ethnicities, nationalities, or religions, or even economic groups. This is necessary for some and we see an almost desperate need to be in conflict. Even to the point of radically cherry picking information and filtering it through the aforementioned belief system. It's a deep delusion. Why do people need to do this? It's used to form the construct of self. Defining oneself in terms of conflict with another (person, ideaology, whatever) is much easier and safer than turning inward to confront your own demons or just figure your own self out.

I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I wish I had a solution to the dynamic, but I don't. People have to wake up to their own illusions in their own time.

Anyway, have discussions with people who can share ideas, agree or disagree, and consider different points of view. Talking to an addiction is just a waste of time.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

Thank you Whisky. Reminds me, think I'll have 1/2 glass of wine! Another way to look at it is Americans have been traumatized by governmental and other control systems and are processing it in different ways.

I have been involved for several years with people who have been emotionally destroyed by psychopathic abuse. A recurring pattern with many of these survivors is a tendency to "split black" or see the world in black and white terms and try to resolve feelings of helplessness by reenacting trauma from a position of control.

It is potentially devastating for anybody who gets in their way, doesn't agree with them. And...you have to agree with them 100% or you risk their wrath, as they don't ever want to feel helpless, suckered, insulted again...ever. If you get in their way, they want to do to you what they feel was done to them. They desperately want to turn the tables.

[Helene West]

We-R-One

Thank you for all your info. Such a quiet teriminal cancer, Agenda 21/Sustainable Development...

Many who talk about elites destroying western civilization still have a limited idea of what that means. They may think it means 'getting rid of Christianity for a secular society' or 'whites won't be the majority any more', etc. when it goes so much deeper - the elites have every aspect of human life planned out for us.

Below is an excerpt by Rosa Koire - "Behind the Green Mask". it's a surface cameo into the life the elites have designed for us via agenda 21/sustainable development. More infuriating when you grasp it's coming from the richest in the world:


"...In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners. It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control. Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body. Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected. It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth. Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world. Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan.

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 70's but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it. Click here to see a list of the countries that signed UN Agenda 21. President Clinton took office the following year and created the President's Council on Sustainable Development to implement it in the United States. Made up of federal agencies, corporations, and non-profit groups, the President's Council on Sustainable Development moved quickly to ensure that all federal agencies would change their policies to comply with UN Agenda 21. A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives, ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21 worldwide. Remember: UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is a global plan that is implemented locally. Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members; our town joined in 2007. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

It's time that people educate themselves and read the document and related commentary. After that, get a copy of your city or county's General Plan and read it. You will find all sorts of policies that are nearly identical to those in U.N. Agenda 21. Unfortunately, their policies have advanced largely unnoticed and we are now in the end game. People need to identify their elected officials who are promoting the U.N.'s policies and hold them accountable for their actions. Only when we've identified who the people are and what they are trying to do will we be able to evaluate whether or not we approve of the policies they are putting forward. Some people may think it's appropriate for agencies outside the United States to set our policies and some people will not. The question is, aren't Americans able to develop their own policies? Should we rely on an organization that consists of member nations that have different forms of governments, most of which do not value individual rights as much as we do? It's time to bring U.N. Agenda 21 out in the open where we can have these debates and then set our own policies in accordance with our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
***

Ok, you say, interesting, but I don't see how that really affects me. Here are a few ways:

No matter where you live, I'll bet that there have been hundreds of condos built in the center of your town recently. Over the last ten years there has been a 'planning revolution' across the US. Your commercial, industrial, and multi-residential land was rezoned to 'mixed use.' Nearly everything that got approvals for development was designed the same way: ground floor retail with two stories of residential above. Mixed use. Very hard to finance for construction, and very hard to manage since it has to have a high density of people in order to justify the retail. A lot of it is empty and most of the ground floor retail is empty too. High bankruptcy rate.

So what? Most of your towns provided funding and/or infrastructure development for these private projects. They used Redevelopment Agency funds. Your money. Specifically, your property taxes. Notice how there's very little money in your General Funds now, and most of that is going to pay Police and Fire? Your street lights are off, your parks are shaggy, your roads are pot-holed, your hospitals are closing. The money that should be used for these things is diverted into the Redevelopment Agency. It's the only agency in government that can float a bond without a vote of the people. And they did that, and now you're paying off those bonds for the next 45 years with your property taxes. Did you know that? And by the way, even if Redevelopment is ended, as in California, they still have to pay off existing debt--for 30 to 45 years.

So, what does this have to do with Agenda 21?

Redevelopment is a tool used to further the Agenda 21 vision of remaking America's cities. With redevelopment, cities have the right to take property by eminent domain---against the will of the property owner, and give it or sell it to a private developer. By declaring an area of town 'blighted' (and in some cities over 90% of the city area has been declared blighted) the property taxes in that area can be diverted away from the General Fund. This constriction of available funds is impoverishing the cities, forcing them to offer less and less services, and reducing your standard of living. They'll be telling you that it's better, however, since they've put in nice street lights and colored paving. The money gets redirected into the Redevelopment Agency and handed out to favored developers building low income housing and mixed use. Smart Growth. Cities have had thousands of condos built in the redevelopment areas and are telling you that you are terrible for wanting your own yard, for wanting privacy, for not wanting to be dictated to by a Condo Homeowner's Association Board, for being anti-social, for not going along to get along, for not moving into a cramped apartment downtown where they can use your property taxes for paying off that huge bond debt. But it's not working, and you don't want to move in there. So they have to make you. Read on.

Human habitation, as it is referred to now, is restricted to lands within the Urban Growth Boundaries of the city. Only certain building designs are permitted. Rural property is more and more restricted in what uses can be on it. Although counties say that they support agricultural uses, eating locally produced food, farmer's markets, etc, in fact there are so many regulations restricting water and land use (there are scenic corridors, inland rural corridors, baylands corridors, area plans, specific plans, redevelopment plans, huge fees, fines) that farmers are losing their lands altogether. County roads are not being paved. The push is for people to get off of the land, become more dependent, come into the cities. To get out of the suburbs and into the cities. Out of their private homes and into condos. Out of their private cars and onto their bikes.

Bikes. What does that have to do with it? I like to ride my bike and so do you. So what? Bicycle advocacy groups are very powerful now. Advocacy. A fancy word for lobbying, influencing, and maybe strong-arming the public and politicians. What's the conection with bike groups? National groups such as Complete Streets, Thunderhead Alliance, and others, have training programs teaching their members how to pressure for redevelopment, and training candidates for office. It's not just about bike lanes, it's about remaking cities and rural areas to the 'sustainable model'. High density urban development without parking for cars is the goal. This means that whole towns need to be demolished and rebuilt in the image of sustainable development. Bike groups are being used as the 'shock troops' for this plan.

What plan? We're losing our homes since this recession/depression began, and many of us could never afford those homes to begin with. We got cheap money, used whatever we had to squeak into those homes, and now some of us lost them. We were lured, indebted, and sunk. Whole neighborhoods are empty in some places. Some are being bulldozed. Cities cannot afford to extend services outside of their core areas. Slowly, people will not be able to afford single family homes. Will not be able to afford private cars. Will be more dependent. More restricted. More easily watched and monitored.

This plan is a whole life plan. It involves the educational system, the energy market, the transportation system, the governmental system, the health care system, food production, and more. The plan is to restrict your choices, limit your funds, narrow your freedoms, and take away your voice. One of the ways is by using the Delphi Technique to 'manufacture consensus.' Another is to infiltrate community groups or actually start neighborhood associations with hand-picked 'leaders'. Another is to groom and train future candidates for local offices. Another is to sponsor non-governmental groups that go into schools and train children. Another is to offer federal and private grants and funding for city programs that further the agenda. Another is to educate a new generation of land use planners to require New Urbanism. Another is to convert factories to other uses, introduce energy measures that penalize manufacturing, and set energy consumption goals to pre-1985 levels. Another is to allow unregulated immigration in order to lower standards of living and drain local resources..."

There's plenty more unfortunately - http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com
Is it too late for us? probably, as 'normal bias' is one of humanity's fatal flaws.

[we-R-one]

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 70's but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it. Click here to see a list of the countries that signed UN Agenda 21. President Clinton took office the following year and created the President's Council on Sustainable Development to implement it in the United States. Made up of federal agencies, corporations, and non-profit groups, the President's Council on Sustainable Development moved quickly to ensure that all federal agencies would change their policies to comply with UN Agenda 21. A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives, ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21 worldwide. Remember: UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is a global plan that is implemented locally. Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members; our town joined in 2007. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

Great post Helene! I snipped this portion because the PCSD was created in the Executive order 12852 I had mentioned and yes, it's how it started here in the states. Isn't Rosa's website great? The information is overwhelming but I love it because I can go there to find resources to pull or fact check. You mentioned the ICLEI in your post. Here's what the front cover looks like:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518-wgzud6L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

From Rosa's site in regards to the ICLEI:
"And they say they don't know what we're talking about...tin foil hats? Right. This is the cover of the UN / ICLEI publication that is on the shelf at your planning department right now. It was studied by the planners in your city or county and is being used to make policy right now.

Published by the UN in 1993. Introduction by Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN World Commission on Environment and Development (Agenda 21).

Source: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/one-world-one-vision-2050.html

[AutumnW]

We R One,

You mentioned yahoo's being 'promoted' on this forum a few posts ago. I don't think any one search engine is endorsed more than another here.

[7alon]

I finished watching the interview between Kerrie and Robert David Steele. I understand why RDS wants to focus on giving power back to the people. Once that is done, then progress can be made with everything else. He wants to stop corruption in its tracks for good.

[we-R-one]

You mentioned yahoo's being 'promoted' on this forum a few posts ago. I don't think any one search engine is endorsed more than another here.


I finished watching the interview between Kerrie and Robert David Steele. I understand why RDS wants to focus on giving power back to the people. Once that is done, then progress can be made with everything else. He wants to stop corruption in its tracks for good.

And here’s how a ‘star’ is born on Avalon and how systems of deceit get built off the backs of ‘we the people’.

Continue to ignore my warnings and data, follow the yellow brick road, oh and don’t forget to donate to help get Cynthia ‘Progressive’ McKinney out of Bangladesh, they need 250K, so hurry time is wasting. Yikes, they need her back by July to stay within their timeline and don't have half the funding needed to make their goal, so yes, do hurry!....tick tock, tick tock.

https://www.generosity.com/education-fundraising/unrig-summer-of-peace

[AutumnW]

We-R-One,

You are mischaracterizing all who you appear to have defined as 'other,' here. Did anybody on this thread give you any reason to believe they would be sending McKinney money? I think an apology is due to those who have put up with your haranguing and hijacking of this thread.

[enigma3]

From where I observe there is no political party working for we the people. Both major parties have been taken over. The differences mask their true intent. The powers that be quash any decent attempt to form a third party. And a viable party of we the people is at the top of the political needs list. They do not want true competition. They have also done a pretty good job of dumbing down people. I am a child of the 60's. We would be filling the streets to find out what happened to 16 trillion dollars sent to the DODefense. 16 trillion dollars and the people do what? Wars in Iraq, Lybia and Syria for who's benefit?

[neutronstar]

From where I observe there is no political party working for we the people. Both major parties have been taken over. The differences mask their true intent. The powers that be quash any decent attempt to form a third party. And a viable party of we the people is at the top of the political needs list. They do not want true competition. They have also done a pretty good job of dumbing down people. I am a child of the 60's. We would be filling the streets to find out what happened to 16 trillion dollars sent to the DODefense. 16 trillion dollars and the people do what? Wars in Iraq, Lybia and Syria for who's benefit?

I agree, it doesn't matter that the progressive party is in favor of Agenda 21. So what. That doesn't mean we should vote Rep, or the tea party or any other party. They control them all.

[Helene West]

Just listened to 21 minutes of Kerry Cassidy's interview w/RDS. I have now reconciled my RDS dilemma, once and for all.

A few newer reactions I felt from above:

---He says he reviews non-fiction work for Amazon in 90+ different categories - First, I'm annoyed as an Amazon customer who recently bought some non-fiction books that this guy may be reviewing, redacting, editing, omitting or otherwise changing information that the author intended I know. I guess controlling our reading material / knowledge is all ok as long as he's on Bezos's payroll and not the CIA's? He makes it sound so normal that Amazon has CIA reviewing books.
Reminds me of the old movie 3 Days of the Condor with Robert Redford:

"...Turner's (Redford's character) "work" is on Manhattan's upper East Side, in a handsome old brownstone identified as the American Literary Historical Society, which is a blind for an esoteric C.I.A. research center where agents read and feed into a computer pertinent details from contemporary novels, short stories, and journals of all sorts. The aim: to find out whether pending C.I.A. operations may have somehow been leaked, and to pick up pointers on spy methodology that may have been fantasized by hack fiction writers..."


---Inflammatory language (manipulative language?) - He mentioned that cynthia mckinney couldn't make it to the alex jones interview because she was in Ferguson, MO attending some black memorial service for michael brown who was put to death by "Neo Nazi Police". Wow!

Any chance I may have been swayed that he was trying to put together a movement of thinking citizens went out the window with that inflammatory buzzword labeling. RDS is not stupid. The word 'Nazi' is one of the most inflammatory words in our lexicon which means it connects quickly to our primitive nature, our minds instantly flash with imagery, none of which is good, and we react more viscerally than intellectually. He carte blanche labeled police with that defaming brush. I happen to believe that destroying the sovereignty of nations is quintessential for the ruling class in creating the world they want and diminishing citizen's trust of their countries' institutions including law enforcement is part of the elite's program. As I also believe the upper ranks of our Intel agencies work for the elites not for our per se government, it weighs in for me again a high probability he is still on the payroll. For all we know he could be cynthia mckinney's 'handler'.
We have enough people in constant reaction mode, we don't need more.

I won't be listening to him anymore wondering about him, I'll be listening to him with the view I'm listening to a master con artist and hope alt radio hosts will stop being in such awe of him and start asking him more strict questions.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

---Inflammatory language (manipulative language?) - He mentioned that cynthia mckinney couldn't make it to the alex jones interview because she was in Ferguson, MO attending some black memorial service for michael brown who was put to death by "Neo Nazi Police". Wow!


What is a "black memorial service"? I've never heard of that. I'll have to listen again and pay more attention. Maybe he elaborated.

edit: Oh, ok. He was describing an event largely attended by black community members that was a memorial service. I get it now.

[we-R-one]

From where I observe there is no political party working for we the people. Both major parties have been taken over. The differences mask their true intent. The powers that be quash any decent attempt to form a third party. And a viable party of we the people is at the top of the political needs list. They do not want true competition.

I agree, it doesn't matter that the progressive party is in favor of Agenda 21. So what. That doesn't mean we should vote Rep, or the tea party or any other party. They control them all.

I understand what's being said here, but it’s time to get past the traditional statements of left and right, this party isn’t any better than that party, blah, blah, etc…as these points are already well known especially here. I encourage people to take it to the next level, get over the hump so to speak.

Much discussion on this forum has talked about ‘deep state’ and pretty much everyone agrees it’s a problem. But it’s clear to me that the wider audience doesn’t understand what ‘deep state’ means, who’s behind it, how it’s being implemented within their country, and how to identify it, as if they did, you would think they wouldn’t place their support with people and organizations who are aligning with its agenda.

And yes, if you think in the end, than what is there to support…ya, I get it….there isn’t much and it’s why it’s such a problem. Part of ‘draining the swamp’ is getting rid of ‘deep state’ policy and procedures. It’s why Trump dropped us out of the TPP(Trans-Pacific Partnership) and the fraudulent Paris Climate Accord as these are the type of agreements that promote the destabilization I referred to in one of my past posts.

https://www.infowars.com/globalists-cringe-at-trump-torpedoing-tpp/

In many cases, you have ‘deep state’ embedded in good ideas which is why I say, ‘it’s how they’re building their infrastructure off the backs of the people’. Where you can help is by understanding the meaning behind ‘deep state’ so you can better identify its infiltration and take your support elsewhere.

[Helene West]

---Inflammatory language (manipulative language?) - He mentioned that cynthia mckinney couldn't make it to the alex jones interview because she was in Ferguson, MO attending some black memorial service for michael brown who was put to death by "Neo Nazi Police". Wow!


What is a "black memorial service"? I've never heard of that. I'll have to listen again and pay more attention. Maybe he elaborated.

edit: Oh, ok. He was describing an event largely attended by black community members that was a memorial service. I get it now.

glad you got it. sorry that's all you got...

[AutumnW]

We-R-one,

Everybody agrees the deep state is a problem. But some people refuse to let Alex Jones, on the one hand, or the New York Times, on the other, define for us, who they are.

[we-R-one]

---He says he reviews non-fiction work for Amazon in 90+ different categories - First, I'm annoyed as an Amazon customer who recently bought some non-fiction books that this guy may be reviewing, redacting, editing, omitting or otherwise changing information that the author intended I know. I guess controlling our reading material / knowledge is all ok as long as he's on Bezos's payroll and not the CIA's? He makes it sound so normal that Amazon has CIA reviewing books.

Yes, look the other way now dear...nothing going on here, lol.



I happen to believe that destroying the sovereignty of nations is quintessential for the ruling class in creating the world they want and diminishing citizen's trust of their countries' institutions including law enforcement is part of the elite's program.

Yes, this is a key globalist/deep state agenda.


As I also believe the upper ranks of our Intel agencies work for the elites not for our per se government, it weighs in for me again a high probability he is still on the payroll. For all we know he could be cynthia mckinney's 'handler'.

You know....there's a guy on here that 'claims' to be best friends with former CIA director Woosley....and long ago he posted in regards to CIA individuals, 'a leopard doesn't change his spots'. I could probably look it up, but honestly I'm too lazy....many old timers on here saw it. You also have people that have come forward stating you can never leave CIA.

http://barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/2008/09/once-cia-agent-always-cia-agent.html

Besides, the CIA has such a major integrity problem...for me personally I don't think I could ever trust what anyone says from that organization. The second someone trying to gain ground in the public arena states their former CIA as if we're all suppose to be impressed, I just cringe thinking...yep, this one ought to be fun to 'vet'.

Listening to these audios can be tedious, but if you know what to look for you will pick up tidbits. I shared this on the other RDS thread as I picked up this information a year or so ago when I first vetted him based on this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ_s_waokDg

This was my review:

I watched the first 15min of this video just 'for fun' though I knew this guy was a waste of time right out of the gate based on his alphabet soup credentials. I'm sorry but I have no trust in CIA officials and the impression I'm left with is this person supports a 'Progressive' stance...

For example, Robert David Steele touts Joan Blades, founder of moveon.org which is nothing but a bunch of progressives. Are you for real? These people are the very reason we're in this whole mess!!! Please research Agenda 21 for deeper meaning. Something else I've learned while researching...Once CIA always CIA...you never leave 'the club'.

From the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org
"Since the 2000 election cycle, the MoveOn PAC has endorsed and supported the campaigns of candidates, including the 2008 candidacy of then-Senator Barack Obama, presidential candidate, nominee of the Democratic Party.[13]"

So let me get this straight, he's bad mouthing Obama, and yet he praises Joan Blades, the founder of moveon.org whose organization basically endorsed and supported Barack Obama??? LMAO, ROFL....It will be a cold day in hell before I follow these people. I walk away feeling we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. This is where vetting helps you determine who's the problem and who's the solution and this guy is anything but the solution, imo...He promotes a person and an organization that are the problems from what I can see, so it's very telling what side of the bed he's sleeping on and I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what he's doing. I suspect this interview is a mix of telling the public what they want to hear and then promoting the people who are creating the problems and taking away our freedoms, and it all stems back to the implementation of Agenda 21.

Here's my disclaimer:
'Progressives' in leadership roles support the policies and procedures of Agenda 21 as that is embedded in their platform which is 'deep state' because it's being promoted and supported within THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA minus Congressional or 'we the people' approval. So in essence it's an un-elected government running alongside an elected government. The endgame of Agenda 21 is 'inventory and control of everyone and everything.

[neutronstar]

From where I observe there is no political party working for we the people. Both major parties have been taken over. The differences mask their true intent. The powers that be quash any decent attempt to form a third party. And a viable party of we the people is at the top of the political needs list. They do not want true competition.

I agree, it doesn't matter that the progressive party is in favor of Agenda 21. So what. That doesn't mean we should vote Rep, or the tea party or any other party. They control them all.

I understand what's being said here, but it’s time to get past the traditional statements of left and right, this party isn’t any better than that party, blah, blah, etc…as these points are already well known especially here. I encourage people to take it to the next level, get over the hump so to speak.

Much discussion on this forum has talked about ‘deep state’ and pretty much everyone agrees it’s a problem. But it’s clear to me that the wider audience doesn’t understand what ‘deep state’ means, who’s behind it, how it’s being implemented within their country, and how to identify it, as if they did, you would think they wouldn’t place their support with people and organizations who are aligning with its agenda.

And yes, if you think in the end, than what is there to support…ya, I get it….there isn’t much and it’s why it’s such a problem. Part of ‘draining the swamp’ is getting rid of ‘deep state’ policy and procedures. It’s why Trump dropped us out of the TPP(Trans-Pacific Partnership) and the fraudulent Paris Climate Accord as these are the type of agreements that promote the destabilization I referred to in one of my past posts.

https://www.infowars.com/globalists-cringe-at-trump-torpedoing-tpp/

In many cases, you have ‘deep state’ embedded in good ideas which is why I say, ‘it’s how they’re building their infrastructure off the backs of the people’. Where you can help is by understanding the meaning behind ‘deep state’ so you can better identify its infiltration and take your support elsewhere.

Forget about the larger audience. Hell, I don't think I really know what the deep state is. I think it is multiple factions of secret gov. and private interests that sometimes work together and also work against each other. I think Trump is part of one of those factions. Not all of the factions are so to speak evil, but I wouldn't say they are saint like either.

[we-R-one]

Forget about the larger audience. Hell, I don't think I really know what the deep state is. I think it is multiple factions of secret gov. and private interests that sometimes work together and also work against each other. I think Trump is part of one of those factions. Not all of the factions are so to speak evil, but I wouldn't say they are saint like either.

LOL, I know right? I'm always thinking...what am I missing that I have yet to identify, it's absolutely ridiculous and besides who has time to research all this crap.. Integrity seriously needs to be restored. So far I'm happy with Trump because he currently seems 'to get' the importance of sovereignty. I didn't initially vote for him because I didn't like some of the people he was surrounding himself with. However, if I had lived in a swing state where my vote might have had more pull, I would have had no problem voting for him. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he continues to restore integrity and national sovereignty. He won't be perfect, but he's a breath of fresh air compared to what we had and where we were headed, imo.

[neutronstar]

Forget about the larger audience. Hell, I don't think I really know what the deep state is. I think it is multiple factions of secret gov. and private interests that sometimes work together and also work against each other. I think Trump is part of one of those factions. Not all of the factions are so to speak evil, but I wouldn't say they are saint like either.

LOL, I know right? I'm always thinking...what am I missing that I have yet to identify, it's absolutely ridiculous and besides who has time to research all this crap.. Integrity seriously needs to be restored. So far I'm happy with Trump because he currently seems 'to get' the importance of sovereignty. I didn't initially vote for him because I didn't like some of the people he was surrounding himself with. However, if I had lived in a swing state where my vote might have had more pull, I would have had no problem voting for him. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he continues to restore integrity and national sovereignty. He won't be perfect, but he's a breath of fresh air compared to what we had and where we were headed, imo.

I had high hopes for trump to. When he said in one of his speeches about releasing the tech. that would cure diseases and new energy tech. I became hopeful. Obviously he works for part of the deep state that wants to preserve the military and Americas sovereignty. The deep state to me isn't one entity. If we are going to have a positive change it must come from a faction of the deep state that is not psychopathic. Other wise we will only get it from a civil war and that won't be pretty. History has taught us this.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Forget about the larger audience. Hell, I don't think I really know what the deep state is. I think it is multiple factions of secret gov. and private interests that sometimes work together and also work against each other. I think Trump is part of one of those factions. Not all of the factions are so to speak evil, but I wouldn't say they are saint like either.

Trump has been on hostile takeover after hostile takeover ever since he took over the Republican party. I was saying since late 2015/early 2016 that Trump had high-ranking patriotic military behind him, Michael Flynn being the most obvious example at the time. Also New York mafia, Giuliani being the obvious example there, but Trump worked with the mob in the 80s too.

Every month that goes by he is solidifying more and stronger connections with those who are still open to working with him, and everyone who is working against is having a very bad time right now. Those multi-billion dollar military contracts like he made with Saudi Arabia are calming the concerns of some of the big military-industrial heavyweights who fear for loss of business.

What we have to realize is that Trump isn't coming in and taking a wrecking ball to everything in the world that's broken, or you'd literally have to destroy the whole world. He has to work with crooks until he has enough leverage to get them out of power later, and this is already what has been happening within the executive departments that he's assumed control of. But he can't do everything in one day. Rex Tillerson is still steadily downsizing the State Department to this day, and no doubt will continue to, and so are other departments. Trump himself has been in office for 6 months and if you actually look at the legislative and executive order record so far he's been very active and I'd be interested in what there is to really complain about (besides not living in a utopia yet or some unrealistic expectation like that).

He can only reform things bit by bit, little by little, or he upsets the entire status quo at once and probably results in war.

Also he can't personally drive the private market. He can only deregulate it and open it up for other peoples' innovations or business savvy. He can provide the opportunity and encourage people with his words, but it has to be everyday people who go out and do the science and engineering and production and all of the real work.


There is a chapter in the Tao te Ching about this, to the extent of, when you have an effective leader, the people are prosperous and know that they have accomplished it all by themselves. The way can be prepared and we can be encouraged but we have to take responsibility back for ourselves and this is the greatest opportunity offered by the Trump admin: decentralization of power. He's downsizing for a reason!

[barneythez]

Hello Avalon,
I realize I could have posted this on my previous post, but it probably would have gone unnoticed. So, I thought I'd start a new one.
Thank you Kerry for this interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YQvY-bBSvg&feature=youtu.be

[Honesty]

..........

[barneythez]

Yes, and only $220,000 to go.....

[Helene West]

I just read that RDS's #Unrig was banned from MeetUp. I haven't verified this. But if it's true it just shows that social media needs to be ramped up some more. If Meetup can do that then we need a lot more Meetup type organizations. It's annoying going to meetup.com and #Resist is all over the place but they banned #Unrig? We need a lot more Choices! A lot more youtubes, twitters, meetups... these have become monopolies...

[zen deik]

Little Martian Brown Shirts....

[we-R-one]

I told you in a past post on here that ‘once CIA always CIA’ so stop following these people who truly don’t have your best intentions in mind despite what they want you to believe, they have agendas. This recent interview with Grant Cameron who’s quite familiar in dealing with CIA personalities verifies what I’ve already warned you about.

“…And this is how this game is played, is that, a lot of these people are retired from the CIA, but as in Chase Brandon, who is one of the ‘magicians’, he said, It’s like Hotel California, you can check out but you can’t leave. And all CIA people continue to work under contract, they’re just no longer with the CIA and they do contract work.”- UFO researcher Grant Cameron said in a recent interview July 11, 2017.

Grant Cameron talks in his hotel room at the Alien Cosmic Expo in Toronto, (2017)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9686CJRpUIM

Cue up somewhere between the 18 and 19min. mark if you don't want to listen to the entire interview.


A bit more on The New Black Panther Party that the supposed 'woman of integrity' (McKinney) aligns herself with. And no I'm not endorsing Southern Poverty Law Center(SPLC) either.

Ya.....as if we don't have enough problems as it is...I really want people like this in charge of our country.

NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party

But lets ignore what the research is showing and keep posting threads supporting these individuals, unbelievable.

[barneythez]

I would have never thunk it. I know, I know, some of you are still disillusioned by the man, but hey, he's trying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHY_fZv5HI&feature=youtu.be

[we-R-one]

I'm sure she's interviewed lots of CIA contractors so I don't see the big deal?

Captain Obvious tells me you and former Avalon member, Seeking Senior over at TOT are using these forums as a launching pad, just as Corey did... A common 'marketing strategy' is very apparent. CIA is one of the most corrupt organizations in our country so these individuals speaking of integrity is laughable. How many threads do we need about this guy?

[Helene West]

.... but hey, he's trying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHY_fZv5HI&feature=youtu.be

yes, but 'trying' to do what. that's the question...

[barneythez]

Hello Captain Obvious,
Sorry I don't know who Seeking Senior is. No, I have no marketing strategy. And I couldn't tell you how many threads you need about this guy. That's a personal issue.
You may not see a 'big deal', and you may not see the bigger picture either, but stick around, this is the website to help you evolve:sun:

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Sorry Helen, I cannot help you.

[Spellbound]

A bit disappointed that Kerry didn't mention Bill when initially asked in her first question about how PC started (for which Bill was a very big part). I'm not very familiar with Robert David Steele, but I must say that he dwarfs Kerry in terms of being a pushy interviewer (he takes the cake). Interesting interview....thx for posting.

Dave - Toronto

[ditting]

Being along time fan of Kerry Cassidy and more recently exposed to Robert David Steele I did enjoy this interview. There is a lot of value in Kerry being the interviewee. She has accumulated so much information throughout years of interviewing so many interesting people that her map of 'what is' is uniquely developed. Her personal opinion and perspective has much weight with me. I winced at how pushy RDS was with her however I think Kerry handled it quite well. Challenging Kerry to summarize her responses, stick to a topic, and keep it short I feel was a good exercise for her. The course and pace of the interview seemed to deviate much less than when she is the interviewer.

I am also curious about what RDS's agenda is. He has been very vocal in his trying to coach Trump lately, interviews with Alex Jones, Kerry Cassidy, and others. He made some mention in the beginning of the interview about replacing Trump. Maybe he is gearing up to run for President in 2020?

[we-R-one]

Maybe he is gearing up to run for President in 2020?

God help us!

This country is not giving up our sovereignty nor our guns so he's wasting his money and time.


EDIT TO ADD:


And I couldn't tell you how many threads you need about this guy. That's a personal issue.

I didn't ask you how many threads I needed of this guy, I said 'we' as in this forum.


You may not see a 'big deal', and you may not see the bigger picture either, but stick around, this is the website to help you evolve

Oh I see the 'big picture' alright! lmao....which is why I think this guy and his cohort Progressive McKinney are a sham.

[Helene West]

Cointelpro type activities have sure come full circle. A few decades ago student activists worried about their little meetings and workshops, etc. getting disrupted in some way. Could be as simple as someone who seemed interested in joining asking a million questions or bringing up so many tangential points that they realized they weren't getting anything done. There were also activist groups suspected of being started by the government itself posing as concerned students, etc.

Today we have the CIA unabashedly and publicly trying to start a political movement! He admits he's not a 'whistleblower'. Interesting technique. Whereas before the spooks stayed in the background or disguised their identities they now put everything in our face, just use that tiny prefix 'ex' and he got some sort of carte blanche pass. Oooh, ahhhh, an 'ex' CIA, he's now one of us...

I haven't listened to this one yet where he controls the interview! lol. I hope Kerry gets a chance to ask him about his job 'reviewing' 98 categories of non-fiction books for Amazon. But then so few seem to find this odd. The control of knowledge is so important to the elites, not just today but since the beginning of civilization the ruling classes have wanted to keep the peasants dumb. Whether Common Core or controlling what is sold at Amazon, part of the same thing. But just put an 'ex' in front of CIA and everything is cool. He's a test balloon, a new twist on The Truman Show.

[we-R-one]

Pssst, hey Barney....so when is RDS and Progressive McKinney gonna be on GAIA T.V? C'mon you can tell us....it's soon right?

[barneythez]

I'll get right on it.....

[turiya]

Pssst, hey Barney....so when is RDS and Progressive McKinney gonna be on GAIA T.V? C'mon you can tell us....it's soon right?

I think you hit the nail on this one... I saw RDS posing as the 'pushy' interviewer as a pretext for his upcoming interview with Bill Ryan. But I think you got it more correct, we-R-one. He's already been asked by Bill, and more than likely by David Wilcock for a GaiaTV special. RDS is seeing where the boundries are with his questions to Kerry, imo.

And yeah, Helene. This could very well be a version of cointelpro - once a CIA, always a CIA - overtly making its move into the alt-UFO spectrum. mmmm... have to see what will follow...

[we-R-one]

It's beyond baffling how these two(RDS & Progressive McKinney) can be taken seriously and promote 'integrity' when you look at their background. Why Bill is allowing another 'star' to be born on this forum after all that's gone on with the Corey fiasco is something I don't understand especially when you can clearly see the link between Corey's crew and RDS.

[Justplain]

The way mainstream media covered RDS's interview on the Alex Jones show, drawing a response from nasa of all things, is a telling sign that something about RDS is being staged. Then with RDS refusing to be interviewed by Bill and saying he's just doing one more interview with salas on the subject of slave colonies on mars indicates an agenda. Why not talk to Bill about these claims. What's next from RDS, interactions with blue avions and sphere beings?

I like how Bill dealt with 'the ruiner' (another likely psy-op plant), he publicly came out and disclaimed any credibility about this guy. If Bill hadnt publicly come out saying that perhaps the ruiner would have a show on gaia tv right now too. Perhaps Bill needs to try to vet RDS in the same way now, may not be an easy task, but maybe Richard Dolan would help, and save us all another false prophet from arising.

[Daozen]

^^^ Or we could just ignore him.

[GloriaP]

The information is very interesting and an executive summary is a good idea but anyone who knows anything about psychology and body language can see that this is an exercise in Steele's ego. Yuk, really hard to watch.

[HaveBlue]

The point is we -are - one that it is RDS interviewing Kerry, not the other way around. He does a good job too! He is very bossy and blunt, even abrasive. just like I would expect a man in black to ask questions. But he gets the info in a way that can be listed rather than waffled about the SSP and I liked that.

I've seen him on Alex a few times, but other than that I don't know if he has a track record of getting anything right and whether to take him seriously or not? BTW it is He who says there is 10,000 people on Mars not her! That I found interesting. I hope I am not ever one of them. Mars looks like a dump to me.

[yelik]

Kerry is an experienced researcher who largely appears genuine. I for one enjoyed the interview and was more interested in what Kerry had to say and the probability of her being close to the truth or not, i.e. do we have multiple confirmations for her claims, or might she be the victim of mind control?

[Justplain]

Kerry is an experienced researcher who largely appears genuine. I for one enjoyed the interview and was more interested in what Kerry had to say and the probability of her being close to the truth or not, i.e. do we have multiple confirmations for her claims, or might she be the victim of mind control?

I think we know that Kerry tends to go with her gut feel in her research and interviews, rather than thru dilligent background checks that are well documented. This has resulted in her backing questionable tales from characters like ashayan dean and capt mark richards. (Editted thx)

I wouldnt say that Kerry is a subject of mind control, although the evidence is very strong that she is a targeted individual. I just think it shows that she can be fooled by 'campfire tales' that on occassion make her appear gullible. She has brought forward some very interesting testimony, its just that project camelot has become a bit of a circus since Bill left it.

[Jantje]

Kerry is an experienced researcher who largely appears genuine. I for one enjoyed the interview and was more interested in what Kerry had to say and the probability of her being close to the truth or not, i.e. do we have multiple confirmations for her claims, or might she be the victim of mind control?

I think we know that Kerry tends to go with her gut feel in her research and interviews, rather than thru dilligent background checks that are well documented. This has resulted in her backing questionable tales from characters like ashayan dean and capt mark phillips.

I wouldnt say that Kerry is a subject of mind control, although the evidence is very strong that she is a targeted individual. I just think it shows that she can be fooled by 'campfire tales' that on occassion make her appear gullible. She has brought forward some very interesting testimony, its just that project camelot has become a bit of a circus since Bill left it.

I think you mean Mark Richards in stead of Mark Phillips. Other than that I fully agree with you. Cheers !

[yelik]

If you are a sensible researcher then calling down the people you interview only shoots yourself in the foot. Kerry knows a lot more than I do.

I’m more interested in the content and general moral compass of the person – to me it was a good interview where most of what Kerry said got the gist of things correct - I hope it will help awaken many non-believers.

As for Robert Steel I thought the interview achieved its objectives as a sort of Executive summary which cut through the endless waffle we often here. Robert Steel made it clear this would be the last time he would bring up these subjects as he focuses on electoral reform.

In my opinion I saw little to criticize. As to whether I believe every word is down to your own research and how you view the world full of intentional misinformation.

[sigma6]

The way mainstream media covered RDS's interview on the Alex Jones show, drawing a response from nasa of all things, is a telling sign that something about RDS is being staged. Then with RDS refusing to be interviewed by Bill and saying he's just doing one more interview with salas on the subject of slave colonies on mars indicates an agenda. Why not talk to Bill about these claims. What's next from RDS, interactions with blue avions and sphere beings?

I like how Bill dealt with 'the ruiner' (another likely psy-op plant), he publicly came out and disclaimed any credibility about this guy. If Bill hadnt publicly come out saying that perhaps the ruiner would have a show on gaia tv right now too. Perhaps Bill needs to try to vet RDS in the same way now, may not be an easy task, but maybe Richard Dolan would help, and save us all another false prophet from arising.

MSM focused their attack on Jones specifically re: RDS's mars colony slave reference... which could mean many things, ridicule turns the majority of sheeple away, or it could be pre-emptive programming... ? I would agree with Bill's criticism of 'the Ruiner'... his first interview felt sketchy, cagey... his second didn't convince either... I think Kerry, in trying to be impartial, tends to nurture 'wannabes' too much... but I also think there may be something of value going on there... sometimes I wonder if Bill and Kerry have something bigger going on... '; ) ... a political good guy / bad guy like the main character and his sister in "Ender's Game"... ': o Lol... if they are, I think it might be a good strategy, necessary... given how things are getting so complex and diabolical these days... one has to admit, if you have followed Bill and Kerry, and their 'evolution' including the 'branching of Camelot Project... perhaps there is good reason for her not mentioning Bill... ?? In my mind it still provides for some binocular perspective in how their interactions vary... I find this both useful and insightful... then again... I may be a diehard romantic... truth is always stranger than fiction... my 2cents

[The Moss Trooper]

I'm struggling to think of one credible whistleblower brought to light by the various Projects' (Camelot/Avalon) over the years.

Sure, we've had some great fire-side stories, and people who, at the time, seemed so, so credible, but as with time and diligence, were found to be lacking. I'm in no way pointing any fingers or accusing here, just stating how it is in the cold light of day.

Is there anyone, after all that is said and done, that has proved and backed-up with evidence, the fantastic 'testimony' that was told?

Did their song find a tail?

[AutumnW]

My husband and I had lunch with one of Steven Greer's favorite 'insiders,' many years ago. I haven't divulged his remarks about et phenomenon and other subjects, for a number of reasons--the main one being, the appearance of sincerity doesn't guarantee sincerity. Also, the conversation, though not, "off the record " was not an interview or a briefing and the information was stated as a personal opinion.

Went off on a tangent there, so want to salvage the main point as it relates to RDS. If someone of any caliber had anything truly important to tell you and they did blow the whistle they would be so dead.

They can frame what they say as an 'opinion,' and maybe then they would be safe, but that is kind of doubtful too. It is more likely their information or opinion on the matter is irrelevant or innocuous (or intentional crap) and THAT insures their safety.

I think that during Greer's time in the limelight real disclosure was being considered and that is how he was able to round up such high calibre individuals to testify.

[sigma6]

I'm struggling to think of one credible whistleblower brought to light by the various Projects' (Camelot/Avalon) over the years.

Sure, we've had some great fire-side stories, and people who, at the time, seemed so, so credible, but as with time and diligence, were found to be lacking. I'm in no way pointing any fingers or accusing here, just stating how it is in the cold light of day.

Is there anyone, after all that is said and done, that has proved and backed-up with evidence, the fantastic 'testimony' that was told?

Did their song find a tail?

Agreed there are many 'flakies' out there... especially today... but they have unearthed some incredible diamonds too... the contacts, relationships and networks... the whole movement... that's all part of the game... CP had a magic touch for bringing forward people, before "conspiracy" was even a household word... before it was programmed into being a politically incorrect term... Lol... No one at the time realized how visionary Bill & Kerry's endeavours would turn out... that was their magic... I guess you weren't around back then... I'd suggest digging a little deeper... do some homework, go back to the interviews in chronological order, all of them... see the big picture... don't be afraid to get your hands a little 'dirty'... as always there is no substitute for your own discernment - cheers ; )

[AutumnW]

If I was Bill Ryan, I would redirect focus and go after the whistle blowers -- because, as we have learned, sadly...they are not legitimate.

I think the success of the initial Disclosure movement gave many people, perhaps Bill too, hope that there were many more credible witnesses out there.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Pssst, hey Barney....so when is RDS and Progressive McKinney gonna be on GAIA T.V? C'mon you can tell us....it's soon right?

I believe RDS is a charlatan who is only interested in RDS.

Don't confuse him with McKinney. I wonder if she even knows that he is tagging onto her coattails. . . At one point he kept saying he was somehow connected to Rand Paul. When folks checked the Rand Paul people didn't even know who RDS was. He throws out names that he thinks will bring him and audience and $$.

He fooled George Webb and Jason Goodman for a while. They raised $8,000 for him and then found out his true colors. They felt bad that they had encouraged their supporters to fund him. some of these supporters tried to get their $$ back and RDS threatened them in a very aggressive way.

McKinney on the other hand IMO has done some very brave things for our country when she was in Congress. Catherine Austin Fitts recently did a wonderful interview with her (audio). It's on the Solari website. Definitely worth a listen. I am a member of the Solari website, but don't know how to post it on here.

[The Moss Trooper]

Sigma6


Agreed there are many 'flakies' out there... especially today... but they have unearthed some incredible diamonds too... the contacts, relationships and networks... the whole movement... that's all part of the game... CP had a magic touch for bringing forward people, before "conspiracy" was even a household word... before it was programmed into being a politically incorrect term... Lol... No one at the time realized how visionary Bill & Kerry's endeavours would turn out... that was their magic... I guess you weren't around back then... I'd suggest digging a little deeper... do some homework, go back to the interviews in chronological order, all of them... see the big picture... don't be afraid to get your hands a little 'dirty'... as always there is no substitute for your own discernment - cheers ; )

Am afraid you are mistaken, I was very much around then.

My question still stands.


AutumnW
I would redirect focus and go after the whistle blowers -- because, as we have learned, sadly...they are not legitimate.


I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe some people who promote aren't necessarily too concerned whether the info is 'true' or not. That maybe as long as the new whistleblower-de-jour rises through their channel is good enough. This latest kerfuffle seems to evidence this. Maybe this is how things have always been? Perhaps not always, but certainly a good amount of time.

[AutumnW]

sigma6,

Agreed! I will never forget the interview with Jim Sparks, the abductee. Now...please don't tell me he was fake too!! Puhleeeeze??:confused:

[we-R-one]

Pssst, hey Barney....so when is RDS and Progressive McKinney gonna be on GAIA T.V? C'mon you can tell us....it's soon right?

I believe RDS is a charlatan who is only interested in RDS.

Don't confuse him with McKinney. I wonder if she even knows that he is tagging onto her coattails. . . At one point he kept saying he was somehow connected to Rand Paul. When folks checked the Rand Paul people didn't even know who RDS was. He throws out names that he thinks will bring him and audience and $$.

He fooled George Webb and Jason Goodman for a while. They raised $8,000 for him and then found out his true colors. They felt bad that they had encouraged their supporters to fund him. some of these supporters tried to get their $$ back and RDS threatened them in a very aggressive way.

McKinney on the other hand IMO has done some very brave things for our country when she was in Congress. Catherine Austin Fitts recently did a wonderful interview with her (audio). It's on the Solari website. Definitely worth a listen. I am a member of the Solari website, but don't know how to post it on here.

Well Cynthia ‘Progressive’ Mckinney isn’t the angel she wants everybody to think she is….Do dig into her past rather than surface viewing. IN fact RDS and McKinney are two peas in a pod with their seemingly 'bullying' ways. I would ask this based on what I uncovered:

Does someone who uses The New Black Panther Party for security represent a person with values you’d wanted implemented in your country? Do research this group if you don't know what they're all about.

Do you think it’s o.k. she accepts funding from Islam Terrorist groups?


Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/07/cynthia-mckinneys-arab-and-islamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

How can anyone comfortably ‘follow’ this woman? It was said on her Wikipedia page that even her constituents lost faith in her leadership abilities due to her unwavering support of international affairs over local interest.

Yes, I do understand some type of reform to our system is needed, but the last people I want messing with any kind of changes are the likes of the ‘Progressives’ who are responsible for the demise of this country by allowing ‘Deep State’ intrusions to slowly whittle away our sovereign rights.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97809-Robert-David-Steele-s-at-it-again.&p=1155322&viewfull=1#post1155322

See also these posts for more understanding:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97809-Robert-David-Steele-s-at-it-again.&p=1154666&viewfull=1#post1154666

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97809-Robert-David-Steele-s-at-it-again.&p=1154730&viewfull=1#post1154730

Her behavior says to me that she supports a ‘globalist’ agenda as why would she put so much focus on outside support which is exactly why her constituents dumped her. Add on her ‘Progressive’ identity and what that platform stands for –Agenda 21, and you have someone who is the last person you’d want in a position of power. I suspect this whole ‘open source’ agenda is merely a front to draw people in because it sounds all good….And this is how they usurp good ideas to promote a more nefarious agenda. Why Catherine Austin Fitts wants to promote her is beyond me…..

[AutumnW]

Crimson Horse Blanket, I see a lot of the fake whistleblower stuff and those who promote it as part of a larger economic problem. And, unlike Bill Ryan, many of them care not one whit whether it is true or not, if they achieve celebrity, clicks and monetary reward -- as you say.

That, of course, has always been the case, but the potential, through YouTube and other social media to fleece people, or mislead them has made it more of a social concern.

We are living, in some ways, like those in Dickensian times. We wander down digital alleyways with the likes of Bill Sykes, Fagin and the Arful Dodger. There are those, like Oliver Twist, who are poor and displaced who will join the pack of conmen and pick pockets just to survive.

[norman]

Well, as the lights pop on inside my head again, I see "progressive" has adopted a yet more pragmatic approach.

Or, perhaps, its that 'progressive' has just dropped a huge mask it's been living behind since the Bolsheviki self righteousness of murdering the rich and scooping up the poor into systems of management masquerading as social safety nets.

Hey, "progressive" has just remembered that it was born out of firing squads, only this time, it's not the rich they are lining up against the walls

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Elaborating on what I said previously in post #26:

** I believe much of what is said in the original video ( and thank you barneythez for posting) is accurate.

** No one is perfect. . . . many do the wrong thing at times for what they believe is the right reason. Some personalities offend us - but that doesn't mean they don't have "some" good information. I have watched Kerry for many years, don't like her style particularly (Bill softened her style, alone it's more offensive to me), however she does have many good interviews and thru the years has introduced new ideas to the masses. Are they always accurate? probably not. . Is SHE sometimes fooled? Probably.

** As for RDS, I have listened to his many interviews. I believe he is conflicted. Not so much in his beliefs, but in his motives. Money often gets in the way for most of us. Ego often gets in the way for many of us.

IMO it is our job to try and look past personalities and motives and listen to information. We should try not to judge too quickly. Just listen, gather, remember and eventually the pieces which come from many different directions begin to fall into place.

[sigma6]

sigma6,

Agreed! I will never forget the interview with Jim Sparks, the abductee. Now...please don't tell me he was fake too!! Puhleeeeze??:confused:

Cool... that is what I am talking about... everyone has their fave... interviews that resonated with their own personal experience... and there were so many real gems, those early interviews, CP was original, gritty, down to earth... brilliant, nothing has come close to it, nothing ever will until two unique original gutsy upstarts rise up, hungry for the truth, willing to make the same sacrifices like Bill & Kerry did... the fact they have always allowed 'questionable' interviews along with public feedback and critiques is why so many people respect them... the gems will always shine through, there were so many you can't count them on all your fingers and toes...

[Mike]

I'm struggling to think of one credible whistleblower brought to light by the various Projects' (Camelot/Avalon) over the years.

Sure, we've had some great fire-side stories, and people who, at the time, seemed so, so credible, but as with time and diligence, were found to be lacking. I'm in no way pointing any fingers or accusing here, just stating how it is in the cold light of day.

Is there anyone, after all that is said and done, that has proved and backed-up with evidence, the fantastic 'testimony' that was told?

Did their song find a tail?



I think presenting whistleblowers to the world is a little more art than science. There is going to be a degree of disinformation in *every* story. "Credible" is a term that might mean different things to different people. If people like Kerry or Bill waited for that one guy or gal that was unequivocally truthful about every last detail, then we wouldn't have a single whistleblower testimony on record. Some might think that would be favorable to the rather diluted "whistleblower" static we have out there now, and a valid argument could certainly be made there. But without any information, we couldn't even begin to try to put the puzzle pieces together. I'd rather be perplexed while having the puzzle pieces in front of me - even if they're mixed with fake pieces - then have nothing in front of me at all. The "lesser of the evils"..such is the nature of this business..

..If you're interviewing whistleblowers (and I use that word a little loosely), I think you're doing a damn good job if you're batting .300. It is tremendously difficult to hit a baseball moving at 100 mph, and picking and choosing which WB's to present to the world isn't much easier. So, before rushing to judgement, the degree of difficulty must be considered as a point of relativity. A professional baseball player is considered an all star if he gets on base a mere 30% of the time, and justifiably so. But a professional alt media journalist/researcher gets f#cking skewered if they're only accurate 30% of the time...and it's an interesting discrepancy to consider. Maybe we should be applauding them...

"Promoting" is another catch all word that pops up frequently. So n so "promoted" person x, and person x was "wrong". Well, no one ever really explains what they mean by "wrong". Like i said earlier, disinfo is going to be laced in every WB story, so there will always be a degree of "wrong" there...but the value of the story is still purely subjective, all dependent upon the value of the perceived truth vis a vis the distraction of the perceived disinfo. So I'm always perplexed when I see things like: "well Bill really dropped the ball on that Serpo thing. He "promoted" it and it was clearly "wrong"". But what they never really say is what was "wrong" about it..the criticism is always sorely lacking in details (it's the use of definitive terms to describe things that are so inherently nebulous that I just don't get) And "promotion" implies a sidewalk sale with balloons and 50% off signs and sh!t like that....I've always thought that word was a distortion. No, it's not a promotion....the info is being *presented* to you; It's an *offering*....and the implied msg is this: "hey, this is quite interesting and it was worth my time....I think it might be worth yours too. check it out...BUT USE YOUR OWN INTUITION AND DISCERNMENT, DO NOT ABANDON IT IN FAVOR OF MINE OR ANYONE ELSE'S OPINIONS.

Folks get upset and frustrated when some of these less than stellar WB's wind up on the forum, and I get that. They want more stringent vetting to take place before they get here. But here's the thing: I think the forum does the vetting for us! There is no better vetter out there. It exposes frauds in ways that a correspondence between 2 people cannot. I don't buy that avalon is solely responsible for Corey's popularity; I think he would have found a place to launch regardless. And ultimately, I'm glad he posted here because much of the info he provided thru posting is crucial in our process towards exposing him.

This thread is about RDS. i've wandered a little but I'll circle back now. That interview with Kerry was clear ego stroking on RDS part, telling Kerry everything she's ever wanted to hear...to what end, I'm not sure. Should Bill interview him? I'd like to see it! Would the interview perpetuate more bullsh!t than truth? Would the bits of truth be worth the excessive bullsh!t? Well like i said, this game is a little more art than science, and the art lies in these subtle spaces. This game is a delicate dance between truth and lies, and our art as discerners is keeping our balance...to observe and digest without getting rigid..to remain flexible...and ultimately to not get too jaded

[AutumnW]

Mike, I have to respectfully disagree here. Whistleblowers should be completely honest. They can be honestly 'mistaken' but they should never knowingly lie. Credibility is their stock in trade.

[Mike]

Mike, I have to respectfully disagree here. Whistleblowers should be completely honest. They can be honestly 'mistaken' but they should never knowingly lie. Credibility is their stock in trade.



Agree, of course.

But due to compartmentalization and mind control and trauma and other factors, the story may have (unbeknownst to the wb) parts that are untrue.

Did I suggest otherwise in my windy, overwritten post?:) Please tell me where....I'd rather not reread the whole damn thing LOL

[AutumnW]

Sure Mike, I'll read it over when I have the energeeeeee!:muscle:

[AutumnW]

Sigma6


Agreed there are many 'flakies' out there... especially today... but they have unearthed some incredible diamonds too... the contacts, relationships and networks... the whole movement... that's all part of the game... CP had a magic touch for bringing forward people, before "conspiracy" was even a household word... before it was programmed into being a politically incorrect term... Lol... No one at the time realized how visionary Bill & Kerry's endeavours would turn out... that was their magic... I guess you weren't around back then... I'd suggest digging a little deeper... do some homework, go back to the interviews in chronological order, all of them... see the big picture... don't be afraid to get your hands a little 'dirty'... as always there is no substitute for your own discernment - cheers ; )

Am afraid you are mistaken, I was very much around then.

My question still stands.


AutumnW
I would redirect focus and go after the whistle blowers -- because, as we have learned, sadly...they are not legitimate.


I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe some people who promote aren't necessarily too concerned whether the info is 'true' or not. That maybe as long as the new whistleblower-de-jour rises through their channel is good enough. This latest kerfuffle seems to evidence this. Maybe this is how things have always been? Perhaps not always, but certainly a good amount of time.

Some promoters of frauds clearly don't care and actively embrace the fraud and help perpetuate it. Very true. Others aren't 100% sure of their whistle blowers and there is an implicit understanding that that is the case. They make honest mistakes. I can't emphasize enough how good some liars are at lying.

And although there can be mind control Milab programs controlling some whistle blowers, it seems that it is usually just a commercial or Narcissistic fuelled deception.

[Justplain]

There ARE legitimate whistleblowers. Here are some whistleblowers who have produced real earthshaking stuff:

1). Edward Snowden - nsa supersnooping
2) Wikileaks (julian assange): pizza/paedo-gate, edgar mitchell's et emails
3).Debunking gmo safety:
http://www.naturalnews.com/053415_GMO_studies_food_safety_corporate_corruption.html
4) Doped up, dumbed down and dying in America:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2JIkNjUg3is
5).Vaccinations Are Dangerous:
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker
6).Major General retired Albert Stubblebine questions the terrorist narrative on 9/11:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw

I have many more, but i wont belabour the point. Making sweeping generalizations like 'there are no true whistlrblowers' belittles the enormous contributions these courageous people make to our global society. Really.

[AutumnW]

Just plain,

The point I was making is that there are whistle blowers and they risk their lives. If they don't take precautions, they end up dead. Assange and Snowden required protection from other governments and a very high profile to avoid assassination. Thanks for the links. I am going to watch the doped up and dumbed down one!:sun:

[CurEus]

What is TOT??

[Mod-edit: TOT is an Avalon offshoot forum where, mostly, former Avalon members are keeping alive some bones to pick with some Avalon members - past and current - and it stands for "The One Truth."
It would help to answer such a question by posting using the "Reply With Quote" function in order to know which post prompted that question. E.g.:

... Seeking Senior over at TOT..., Hervé]

[The Moss Trooper]

Justplain



1). Edward Snowden - nsa supersnooping
2) Wikileaks (julian assange): pizza/paedo-gate, edgar mitchell's et emails

See, this is what I mean. Whistleblowers? With movies made? Statues erected? Just think about that for one minute, would a truly damaging whistleblower be vaulted so much as to have the trinkets of fame adorned so publicly? I think not. I would think that a genuine whistleblower would be lucky to see the next sun rise. I would suggest watching Richard D Halls exposé for a more likely explanation.

With regard to presenting/launching whistleblowers to a wider audience, do you not think that if you choose to take that role then you also have a large degree of responsibility upon your own shoulders? Especially these days.
Because, inevitably, when the sh!t starts to roll down hill it will darken their doorstep too. When people are emotionally invested in something, and then that something is proved to be no more than a lie, it tends to cause a negative emotional shockwave. I am waiting for a situation to happen that hasn't happened in this field yet, but am convinced that it will happen soon as it has happened in other areas of life many times. I don't want to spell it out as it is a negative event and very 'final', so to speak. You could throw it in the bag of 'wet-works'.

ToT=The One Truth forum.

[Helene West]

Ok, so curiosity got the better of me and I decided to see why he just has to be the interviewer of an alt host show personality. He says its because he's been slandered on the Mars issue. 'There's 10,000 people there who are not coming back and Nasa lies a lot' - that's a huge assertion. (he blames 'zionists' for the slander of him.)

I'm only 1:20 minutes into this interview and stopped. I will probably do short posts as I go along because I have a feeling I'm going to have a lot to say on this and I don't want to write one very long post.

BUT WHAT MADE ME STOP THE VID SO SOON - He said this will be the last time he addresses the Mars issue until either - 'Donald Trump empowers me or I replace him.'
Holy crap - He wants to be president?!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

He said this will be the last time he addresses the Mars issue until either - 'Donald Trump empowers me or I replace him.'
Holy crap - He wants to be president?!!!
I did not take R D Steele to mean that he intended to replace Trump with himself, R D Steele, if Trump did not "empower" him.

I took R D Steele to mean that he intended to replace Trump with someone else, unnamed, if Trump did not "empower" Steele.

[Helene West]

Ok Paul. You could be right, he could have meant either way. And either way, this is one controlling son of a gun.

[we-R-one]

He specifically said, 'or I replace him'. Don't worry, he'll never win.

[Satori]

Mike, I have to respectfully disagree here. Whistleblowers should be completely honest. They can be honestly 'mistaken' but they should never knowingly lie. Credibility is their stock in trade.

I agree, but even when a WB is being completely honest, they have invariably been presented with false information that they then pass on believing it to be true. Thus, there is frequently, if not always, a mix of truth and falsity in every story. It is often difficult for those receiving the information from a so-called WB to determine what is true and what is false. As the WB does not always know one from the other. This is by design, as it, the mix of truth and falsity, is baked into the cake. It is part and parcel of the three pillars of intelligence gathering and dessimination: compartmentalization, kneed to know and plausible deniability.

[AutumnW]

Mike, I have to respectfully disagree here. Whistleblowers should be completely honest. They can be honestly 'mistaken' but they should never knowingly lie. Credibility is their stock in trade.

I agree, but even when a WB is being completely honest, they have invariably been presented with false information that they then pass on believing it to be true. Thus, there is frequently, if not always, a mix of truth and falsity in every story. It is often difficult for those receiving the information from a so-called WB to determine what is true and what is false. As the WB does not always know one from the other. This is by design, as it, the mix of truth and falsity, is baked into the cake. It is part and parcel of the three pillars of intelligence gathering and dessimination: compartmentalization, kneed to know and plausible deniability.

For sure! I put that under the 'honestly mistaken' category -- but you have refined it. I like your typo, "kneed to know!" LOL The images that conjures up!😀 Like being elbowed into a high security clearance. Totally off topic. Sorry.

[RunningDeer]

McKinney on the other hand IMO has done some very brave things for our country when she was in Congress. Catherine Austin Fitts recently did a wonderful interview with her (audio). It's on the Solari website. Definitely worth a listen. I am a member of the Solari website, but don't know how to post it on here.
2nd Quarter Wrap Up – Enforce the Constitution with Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (https://solari.com/blog/2nd-quarter-wrap-up-enforce-the-constitution-with-congresswoman-cynthia-mckinney/).

YouTube video compliments of onawah. :thumb:

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[Helene West]

He specifically said, 'or I replace him'. Don't worry, he'll never win.

If he gets any traction i'm guessing it will be via the mckinney link. I think the alt world which he is apparently after will be too conflicted by him. I will have to look into her as well if my curiosity about this guy continues.

I'm sure I'll get criticism for this but I'm just curious and I was trying to find out if RDS is jewish. A big deal to me?, no, not necessarily, I like George Webb and he's ex-mossad, it's just my curiosity.
In a country where many of our politicians have made a point of proclaiming their loyalty to israel like gladiators saluting the emperor I find it interesting that he publicly blames the 'zionists' for slandering him. He has a set of 'steele' balls and you get them either because you are a little crazy with courage or you know you have protection. I couldn't find whether he is or not other than comments to articles by people who like myself were wondering the same thing.

I think people are sick of the saul alinsky type community organizers like obama pretended to be. People seem to be categorizng RDS as a whistleblower. If stating we have 10,000 human slaves on mars is your idea of whistleblowing, fine. I see him as a professional Organizer, a new breed compared to the alinsky types, a new trial balloon. The likes of billionaire Jeff Bezos isn't going to hire your ordinary cautious, nervous, non-connected, whistleblower. Bezos is going to hire top shelf for something as important as reviewing 98 categories of non-fiction works on Amazon.

I'm at the point in the interview where they are talking about the reptilian need for orgone/kundalini energy obtained largely through anal intercourse. Oy vey.....

[Cidersomerset]

Robert Steel was also on Rense recently continuing his mission to open up the
White House and drain the swamp. He claims that he asked Rand Paul And Tulsi
Gabbard to introduce the electoral reform act and he is also about to embark
on a road trip with Jesse Ventura , Cathy McKinnon , Ron Paul , Dennis Kucinich ,
Patrick Buchanan ,Virgil Goode & Ralph Nader to promote it. I cannot find
any verification in a brief look, but these are big names and it should be easy
to find some press reports either mainstream or alternate and it sounds like
its starting this week mon 23/7/17 ? though he just says starting tomorrow
with out a date ? Its not a bad discussion but it is very wide ranging and
going over 'merky ground' impossible to verify for most people , though he has
been on many shows claiming much the same things and events .


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Industry: Education
$250,000 is being sought via IndieGoGo to fund a 120-day educational campaign
on how to restore integrity to the US Government through an Election Reform Act of 2017.
read more....
http://www.prunderground.com/robert-david-steele-cynthia-ann-mckinney-launch-unrig-fundraising-campaign/0095574/


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I listened to the Rense interview above and now about to listen to Kerry.

I posted the above info while it was fresh in my mind....

[Helene West]

I think careful scrutiny of his 'Electoral Reform' is now warranted and is key.

Beyond Trump and Sanders, huh? only six months into the presidency... not too sabotaging...

I was an office manager for years. I had employees who would declare how much of a team player they were but also let me know if I didn't take their 'suggestions' seriously somehow things would not bode well for me.... then they also would come across as being 'supportive'. I needed their support like I needed a tail....

[AutumnW]

You remember CAFitts being offered by a high level individual in Washington to be shown an alien? She declined to see said being as she thought it could be part of a program to discredit her.

My best bet, (and ironically, she is good friend of CAFItts,) is Mckinney is being given the same treatment. RDSteele is going to have some appeal to some people. A controlled release of his increasingly bizarre revelations, through alt media, followed by a predictable 'take down' will gaurantee that not only does Mckinney become radioactive, by association--everything this man touches will glow in an unhealthy way.

My feeling is there may be something going on on Mars. RDSteele guarantees a future where nobody takes it seriously until the ptb want them to.

The fact that NASA came out publicly and denied his story is the most bizarre thing of all. But if NASA is involved in a program of social engineering to draw attention to a phenomenon or activity, so as to frame it in the most ludicrous way possible, this is exactly what they would do. Otherwise they would have ignored it.

For some reason, RDSteele is playing a pivotal propaganda role.

[Cidersomerset]

After listening to RDS interview with Kerry it was quite interesting how open
he was and totally different to the Rense one above . I have heard several
of his interviews over the past year and he seems genuine but reminds me of
someone going down the 'rabbit hole' a bit to fast. He is ex CIA but so are
others like Ray McGovern , who I admire. Most of what he say comes from
the alternate media and his claims are a bit hard to swallow at times, but
action speaks louder than words and we shall soon find out by the sound
of it.

[Helene West]

"...but reminds me of
someone going down the 'rabbit hole' a bit to fast...

You're instincts are good. I'm not alone in observing and believing that Moving Very Fast is a probable indication of an elitist project.

"He is ex CIA..."

But is he "ex" CIA? that is one of the questions. Most seem to be accepting this at face value. I'm not.
Billionaire Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon, Whote Foods and the Washington Post, amongst other smaller companies, hired him. Bezos would not hire some off the wall whistleblower for the sensitive and important task of Knowledge Control (review of Amazon's non-fiction works). He is either friends with Bezos or Bezos was told to hire him.
Knowledge Control is an Intel project. The billionaires of the world seem to function as a managerial or service group for the ruling class who I think are quadrillionaires and maybe beyond since they can print whatever money needed themselves.

So he is on at least two projects we know of: Knowledge Control and Political Organization.
He's a Pro. Able to multi-task Projects, check. I'm at the 30 min mark. He is handling Kerry like a pro. He is eliciting what he needs from her.

[we-R-one]

McKinney on the other hand IMO has done some very brave things for our country when she was in Congress. Catherine Austin Fitts recently did a wonderful interview with her (audio). It's on the Solari website. Definitely worth a listen. I am a member of the Solari website, but don't know how to post it on here.
If it takes too long to begin, go to Catherine Austin Fitts' site. It comes up much faster. 2nd Quarter Wrap Up – Enforce the Constitution with Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (https://solari.com/blog/2nd-quarter-wrap-up-enforce-the-constitution-with-congresswoman-cynthia-mckinney/).



http://vimeo.com/224212327

Well talk of supporting the Constitution is interesting....however on one of the UNRIG websites they elude to no guns......Last time I checked owning a gun was a 2nd Amendment right. So is this another example of saying one thing but then doing the opposite? Further research and clarification is needed. In fact if we're all about open source, please sign an affidavit declaring you will adhere to the Constitution, the organic one! Otherwise, how can any of these people be trusted.

When I worked in the National Movement called Get Out of Our House, the candidates were required to sign an affidavit stating the would not accept special interest money and if they did they had 72 hours to vacate their office and return any election money given to them via the GOOOH process.

[shadowstalker]

A bit disappointed that Kerry didn't mention Bill when initially asked in her first question about how PC started (for which Bill was a very big part). I'm not very familiar with Robert David Steele, but I must say that he dwarfs Kerry in terms of being a pushy interviewer (he takes the cake). Interesting interview....thx for posting.

Dave - Toronto

I don't know how many K.C. interviews you have heard but she mentions him all the time when asked that quedtion, so what if she misses one or two.

[Cidersomerset]

"He is ex CIA..."

You are right not many are 'ex' CIA but that does not necessarily mean you are
bad or compromised , but worth keeping in mind and weary......:spy:

I have wondered how he has got on so many shows in a short time ? this
has happened before with other 'whistleblowers' who come and go. There
are intel infiltrators all over the alternate and mainstream media , whether
RDS is genuine or not ? we will see , they are usually exposed pretty quick.

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He has been around for a few year...

The Guardian

The open source revolution is coming and it will conquer the 1% - ex CIA spy
Thursday 19 June 2014

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-source-revolution-conquer-one-percent-cia-spy
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Robert David Steele "Uncovering the Deep State, What's next?" #UNRIG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_QleZJ890
Robert David Steele presents:
"Uncovering the Deep State, What's next?" #UNRIG
June 9th, 2017

[Spellbound]

A bit disappointed that Kerry didn't mention Bill when initially asked in her first question about how PC started (for which Bill was a very big part). I'm not very familiar with Robert David Steele, but I must say that he dwarfs Kerry in terms of being a pushy interviewer (he takes the cake). Interesting interview....thx for posting.

Dave - Toronto

I don't know how many K.C. interviews you have heard but she mentions him all the time when asked that quedtion, so what if she misses one or two.

Fair enough. I just think that if ever the question is asked about how PC started, that Bill should definitely be mentioned each and every time. I think Bill was a huge part of PC and it never would have been as successful without him. Just sayin'....

Dave - Toronto

[Helene West]

"He is ex CIA..."

You are right not many are ex CIA but that does not necessarily mean you are
bad or compromised , but worth keeping in mind and weary......:spy:

don't get weary yet, Cider! This guy is moving fast, is very forceful and better connected than first thought a few months ago. the peoples of 'sovereign' nations of the west have been very generous in their being open-minded and accepting and they now suffer for it. As mentioned, analyzing his 'electoral reform' will be key. we-r-one mentions on an Unrig site he is against the 2nd amendment? haven't verified that but if that is the case, it's over.

[we-R-one]

"He is ex CIA..."

You are right not many are 'ex' CIA but that does not necessarily mean you are
bad or compromised , but worth keeping in mind and weary......:spy:

I have wondered how he has got on so many shows in a short time ? this
has happened before with other 'whistleblowers' who come and go. There
are intel infiltrators all over the alternate and mainstream media , whether
RDS is genuine or not ? we will see , they are usually exposed pretty quick.

Another friendly reminder:
This recent interview with Grant Cameron who’s quite familiar in dealing with CIA personalities verifies what I’ve already warned about.

“…And this is how this game is played, is that, a lot of these people are retired from the CIA, but as in Chase Brandon, who is one of the ‘magicians’, he said, It’s like Hotel California, you can check out but you can’t leave. And all CIA people continue to work under contract, they’re just no longer with the CIA and they do contract work.”- UFO researcher Grant Cameron said in a recent interview July 11, 2017.

Grant Cameron talks in his hotel room at the Alien Cosmic Expo in Toronto, (2017)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9686CJRpUIM
Cue up somewhere between the 18 and 19min. mark if you don't want to listen to the entire interview.

[Cidersomerset]

Another friendly reminder:
This recent interview with Grant Cameron who’s quite familiar in dealing
with CIA personalities verifies what I’ve already warned about.

Yeah I agree the UFO field has been infiltrated from the beginning and
the CIA coined 'conspiracy theorist' in response to the JFK backlash.

Nick Pope is a classic hotel California guest imo .....He freely admits he
will not break his secrecy oath and has set the ufo disclosure field back
in the mainstream over the past 20 years imo , being invited as the go
to man on many news outlets he would only talk about a couple known
cases and nothing that had not been released already , and is a firm
official 9/11 supporter.

Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80469-Nick-Pope-MOD-Spokesman-and-UFO-Skeptic-on-Jimmy-Church-Fade-To-Black-4-March-2015&p=943969&viewfull=1#post943969

[we-R-one]

Yes, sadly unless these people are willing to sign an affidavit, I see no point, as how many times have we've been lied to? Unfortunately under the current climate it's come to this.

Affidavit

What is AFFIDAVIT?

A written or printed declaration or statement of facts, made voluntarily, and confirmed by the oath or affirmation of the party making it, taken before an officer having authority to administer such oath.

Law Dictionary: What is AFFIDAVIT? definition of AFFIDAVIT (Black's Law Dictionary)

Source: http://thelawdictionary.org/affidavit/

[Kristin]

Good points all! To think this conversation happened because this thread started... love it when we discuss things and look deeply into them (which does not mean we endorse anyone being discussed). Free speech has it's beauty and this is exactly why we are here!

[Satori]

Yes, sadly unless these people are willing to sign an affidavit, I see no point, as how many times have we've been lied to? Unfortunately under the current climate it's come to this.

In my experience affidavits are often meaningless, I'm sorry to say. So is being sworn under oath in a deposition or at trial. Not always, but far too often. Most people take the oath seriously. But, aside from one's own sense of honor and integrity, the oath is backed by the power of the state to prosecute for perjury. The state rarely does that. And it never does that when the perjurer is in bed with the state. And, honor dies where interest lies.

[we-R-one]

Yes, thanks Satori. The legal system is so screwed up, but it's all we have.

[Cidersomerset]

In my experience affidavits are often meaningless, I'm sorry
to say. So is being sworn under oath in a deposition or at trial

You reminded me lies , deception , misdirection are all tools in intelligence work

Think of all those WW II and cold war spy novels many based on true events....

A Life of Lies and Spies: Interview with Author Alan B. Trabue on his Real-Life CIA Adventures

http://www.govtech.com/blogs/lohrmann-on-cybersecurity/A-Life-of-Lies-and-Spies-Interview-with-Author-Alan-B-Trabue-on-his-RealLife-CIA-Adventures.html

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James Corbett a very good researcher gave his take on this subject answering
a readers question which led him to do a pod cast on it.

Are UFOs an Intelligence Psyop? - James Corbett's reddit AMA

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Published on 3 Nov 2014
James answers the question:

"Do you think that some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories you see online
(this subreddit included) about ancient cults, UFOs, the occult, and secret advanced
technology actually do more to help the international banking cartel continue to
perpetuate their financial schemes by deterring otherwise serious researchers from
studying what is really hidden at the top of the financial "pyramid"? Do you think
that elements of the intelligence apparatus owned by this global banking monopoly
are partially behind these outlandish theories? In the same way that the US gov't
encourages people to believe there are UFOs at Area 51 to hide the real aircraft
research that happens there, do secret online CIA trolls tell stories about the
Illuminati and Zionists to hide more mundane crimes of greed and psychopathy?
As the international banking system is slowly being publicly revealed as the pyramid
scheme that it is, how do you suggest people involved/employed within the
establishment media (like myself) approach these subjects, while avoiding the
psychological traps set in the minds of others by these ideas?"

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How to Fake an Alien Invasion

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Published on 8 Feb 2015

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=13551
We all know about the crude pie-plate-on-string UFO hoaxes that have been perpetrated
in the past. But what if I were to tell you the greatest UFO hoax of all time is being prepared
right now, and it has Rockefeller backing and UN/Vatican/presidential support? Join us this
week as we peek under the bluebeam curtain at the great alien invasion false flag.

[Daozen]

Affidavits have a kind of spiritual power. It may sound naive, but the manipulators are often terrified of them. Why? Don't know, but there may be consequences for going against an affidavit in sectors unknown. I'm aware that people commit perjury in court every day, but at the higher levels these people are kind of magicians.

EDIT: (IIRC) In one of the vids Neil Armstrong was offered $5,000 to swear on the Bible. 5 grand for 2 minutes work? Sounds alright. Trying to find the clip. EDIT: Found it.


“So why don’t you just put an end to the argument, put your hand on the Bible, and swear to God that you walked on the moon?”

Armstrong then replied, “Mr. Sibrel, knowing you that’s probably a fake Bible,” again trying to dodge putting his hand on the bible.

Sibrel than offered Armstrong “$5000” cash which again, he turned down, not putting his hand on the Bible.

https://www.intellihub.com/amstrong-nasa-moon-walker-refused-swear-bible/

Whatever you believe, look at this:

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[Daozen]

We discussed a contactee/alt media oath in another thread. I found a draft I made here:

http://piratepad.net/bVovZM01sk

OnyxKnight made some good points here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92689-Zen-Gardner-Exposed-Spotlight-on-Alt-Media&p=1094064&viewfull=1#post1094064

I'd be prepared to sign that oath myself.

I am willing to bet 10 dollars American that Corey Goode and David Wilcock, to name but two, would not sign that oath under any circumstances. That they would wriggle, squirm and make thousands of excuses for hours, before spending two minutes to sign that oath.

If anyone has any thoughts on the wording please tell me.

[Rawhide68]

I liked him, until he mentioned slave labouring humans on Mars, the he fell in the same garbage bage as Cory Goode

[Helene West]

I liked him, until he mentioned slave labouring humans on Mars, the he fell in the same garbage bage as Cory Goode

Thanks, Rawhide. And the Mars slave thing was all within the first 3 minutes! I plodded on from there and as mentioned previously began some heavy sighing when they started talking about the reptilian need for our orgone/kundalini energy largely obtained through anal intercourse...

How the ruling class must laugh at us... What won't the Alt community accept or pause to consider? No wonder they sent in their pit bull persuader to corral us. They're bargaining we will be so 'open-minded' we will divest ourselves of our Constitution to prove our open-mindedness. And he seems to feel it can all be done rather quickly, probably since the gullibility quotient is so high in the alt world.

In regards to James Corbett's most excellent questions in post #67 from Cidersomerset asking if the UFO and other alt subjects could be a hoax perpetrated by the elites to take the attention off of our very real but mundane reality - that we are in the midst of a very old story - of a ruling class decimating the underclass? and that's all there is, there is no esoteric anything else going on but the old story? - bravo, now we're waking up.

General aside in this regard from my friend, admittedly unprofessional researcher but always insightful, M. Mathis:
"...Instead of coming away with the simple truth—which is that those governing you are fantastic liars—they want you to think the distortion is even bigger than it is. They want you to think you are living in a hologram, or that reality doesn't exist, or that there are parallel universes, blahblahblah.
As I have said in previous papers, they have a lie to fit every taste. For some, they have the idea that Satanists are running the world. That is both sexy and ties into the religious residues of many. For others—those who fancy themselves scientists—they have these pseudo-scientific theories of parallel universes and so on. These theories are given weight by being tied to famous physicists, so they fool some people. But the correct answer has nothing to do with Satanism, parallel universes, holograms, aliens, or variant realities. It is simply that the modern financiers running the world have become hoaxers like none that preceeded them..." (from "The Mandela Effect is another hoax").

I listened to half the KC / RDS interview yesterday. I'll now go back for more...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I would have never thunk it. I know, I know, some of you are still disillusioned by the man, but hey, he's trying.

Yeah, trying too hard to be the center of everyone's attention while having nothing of value to contribute to anything. Steele has already been long enough to make the usual failed predictions and the downward spiral will continue per usual with these kinds of characters.

[onawah]

Another great interview with the remarkable Catherine Austin Fitts on the Constitution and how to take our power back, the missing trillions, her work with Cynthia McKinney, pedophilia, human trafficking and more. (She also says that no one can be elected POTUS without support from the Deep State, but she also has praise for Trump.)
HOW TO SAVE OUR NATION & OUR LIVES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
SGTreport 7/11/17
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Former US Assistant Housing Secretary and Publisher of the Solari Report Catherine Austin Fitts joins me to discuss the TRILLIONS of dollars missing from the coffers of the DOD, NASA and HUD. Catherine says that the same forces the have looted our nation are also interested in destroying the US Constitution. Fitts explains, "The people who run this country want to implement slavery. They believe in slavery. They practice slavery. They will chip you. They will take your kids and use them for pedophilia, they will try to make pedophilia legal. So we're talking about a group of people whose values are what we would define as completely Luciferian. If we let them tear up the Constitution, any decent life that you've ever known, you can just kiss it goodbye." Visit Solari.com to subscribe to Catherine's amazing, pro-humanity, very insightful Solari Report.

And be sure to stay tuned until the 33:20 mark for a shocking 60 Minutes Australia expose that exposes the elite pedophile ring within the highest echelons of the Australian and UK governments, including MI-6.

[Helene West]

Finally finished listening to rds interviewing kerry.

If you want to learn about rds, forget this vid. It's about him eliciting info from kerry on her beliefs to see what is useful to him. If you want to learn about kerry cassidy, then you may like this.

My biggest disappointment is that I learned nothing about his big PROJECT, the Election Reform act, that he wants passed.

Highlights of vid:
1. (per RDS) - We will have a new president in 2020. He said this most definitively.

2. (per KC) - We are comprised of a genome consisting of more than 12 ET's that contributed their DNA to create us.

3. (KC) - The military allowed the creation of hybrids - half greys and half humans, which there are quite a few amongst us.

4. (KC) - These above 'incarnating beings' don't have much in the way of empathy, the ability to connect emotionally, they are mainly intellectual. She believes this lack of empathy of the hybrids will pose a problem for us in the near future.

5. (KC) - The original human body was immortal. We are natural time travelers.

6. (KC) - We have been a slave species and are now breaking free of our slavery. Portions of Atlantis are resurfacing and contains info contributing to our learning...

7. (KC) - Alt persons like her are always on the look-out for defectors from the illuminati. Many want to defect but just like with our congress many are blackmailed into staying in the service of the elites.

8. (KC) - the reptilians want our orgone/kundalini energy and they frequently get it through anal intercourse (not sure if she means via rape or not!)


I started listening to another vid with Rds where he refers to himself as a 'government reform activist'.
I'm half way through this other vid and he still hasn't explained the Election Reform Act but he and mckinney intend to get congressmen to sign their 'Integrity Oath' promising to pass the Election Reform Act when congress returns from break in September. Hopefully I can find out what this election reform act really intends. This is a fast paced ambitious goal. September is around the corner, does he know most of congress??
More shall be revealed, hopefull not too late....

[Satori]

Yes, sadly unless these people are willing to sign an affidavit, I see no point, as how many times have we've been lied to? Unfortunately under the current climate it's come to this.

Affidavit

What is AFFIDAVIT?

A written or printed declaration or statement of facts, made voluntarily, and confirmed by the oath or affirmation of the party making it, taken before an officer having authority to administer such oath.

Law Dictionary: What is AFFIDAVIT? definition of AFFIDAVIT (Black's Law Dictionary)

Source: http://thelawdictionary.org/affidavit/

Which is another thing: I have never seen anyone sworn under oath before signing an affidavit, such as does incur in a deposition or at trial. That is, although an affidavit states something to the effect that "so-and-so having been duly sworn upon oath..." that does not happen in real life with respect to affidavits. Not in my experience. But the oath is actually administered prior to a person testifying in a deposition or at trial.

Also, affidavits are "sworn" before a notary public, not a certified court reporter. Big difference there in the eyes of the law. Many states are moving away from affidavits and allowing declarations like is done in federal court, and has been for a long time. In that event, there is not even a notary involved. But a declaration is subject to penalty of perjury, which is sometimes not a deterrent to telling a lie.

Affidavits, and declarations, are also very often prepared by a lawyer, and are not the words of the witness per se. The general rule is that they are not admissible into evidence, because they are hearsay and the opposition has not been given the opportunity to challenge the statements in the affidavit and attack truthfulness and credibility on direct or cross examination. The facts in an affidavit must also meet the evidentiary requirements such as relevancy, not hearsay, based upon personal knowledge, not speculative etc....

I'm sure I have gone too far into the weeds on this. My apologies if I have.

[Helene West]

Not sure what the technicalities about affidavits are all about but RDS uses the word "pledge".

He says specifically, "..what Cynthia McKinney and I are trying to do is help constituents in each of the 435 congressional districts challenge their representatives to sign the Integrity Pledge in August which is a pledge to co-sponsor and vote for the Election Reform Act in September when they return from vacation."

[Daozen]

I have a lot to learn regarding affidavits, oaths, and declarations. I only vaguely know the difference and I'm open to any advice, especially if it points me towards practical improvements in the wording. From where I sit, if Corey Goode, David Wilcock, RDS etc signed some sort of pledge that they are not taking agency money, it would be a step forward. Anything would do to start. I'm aware that people stand up in court, lay their hand on the Bible, and lie through their teeth thousands of times per day. Such is life, such is Earth. But it's still worth a shot, as an experiment.

As others mentioned, you can get away with saying you're "ex-CIA" by quitting working for them, and going to work as a private contractor. You can technically pass any lie-detector test and say, hand-on-your-heart, you're ex-CIA, while raking it in from the private sector.

While I'm shaky on the legal details, I can see from the astronauts-avoiding-the-Bible videos that there is an element of magic at work here. Law, especially the law that rules the surface of the planet, is partially based on magic. What is law, anyway? It's a construct that exists only in the minds of the collective. I will not waste the readers time philosophizing on this subject. Winston Shrout's early interviews, and the OPPT episode, showed me that dark magic is afoot in the legal world.

Im 98% sure that Corey Goode and friends will tap dance their way around the issue for months, and you will see them doing backflips, limbo dancing and double-somersaults. Anything to avoid spending 2 minutes signing an oath, pledge, or declaration affirming their honesty. If I'm wrong, so be it.

In a joint Cobra-Corey interview summer 2016, Corey Goode mentioned that there was a benevolent subterranean network on the West coast of America. He was very careful to say that he wasn't in contact with them. If he did make false claims, he might get in big trouble. Notice none of the fake intel brigade will actually claim to be in contact with the Agartha Network. Its the equivalent of selling fake Microsoft software, using a pop stars name to sell T-Shirts, or walking round claiming you're from x family, when you're actually not.

The point is: regarding the astronauts avoiding the Bible, Robert David Steele's claim that he's ex-CIA, and Corey's careful brinksmanship: there is a set of rules for this stealth war, and the darks are well aware of their limits.

[Chester]

A pledge is a level above a promise.

I just looked it up "a solemn promise."

[Helene West]

Most know the rule of KISS? - Keep it Simple Stupid (or Sweetheart, for the sensitive). We can deal with every alt subject under the sun like Kerry Cassidy or we can we stick to the Constitution, one of the greatest gifts mankind has ever been given.

Does RDS support the Constitution and Bill of Rights or is he looking to supplant it or change it? This question/template will help us not go down 30 different rabbit holes trying to figure this guy out.

Listening to a few of his interviews and it's still not clear what this brainchild of his exactly is - his raison d'etre - the Election Reform Act. I listened to another show with him hosted by a chiropractor. It was interesting because he now wants to make inroads with the wholistic health movement as well! He also talks about wanting to mobilize the carpenters, plumbers and electricians of the land... he was painting a vision for the talk show host who was eating it all up...But grilling him for the specifics of his bill that he wants a pledge on, let alone a vote on, no one is doing it. He needs to be grilled with time limits and specific questions the way he grilled KC.

Analyzing his Election Reform Act specifics is all that matters now. Everything else is conversation, cause he's getting ready to rock and roll and we still don't know who the heck he is or what he would do with more backing.

[turiya]

The style of questioning that RDS used to 'grill' KC was to a way to purely extract information from her. He said he would give her 'x' number of minutes to allow her to respond. He never allowed her the full time. He also interrupted her during her answer... Rapid-fire questioning to get answers under a time limit is a way to only get the information that is deeply embedded within the individual's psyche - information that lay at the foundation of their intellect. No time to think otherwise.

It seemed to me he had chosen KC, as she has interviewed many, many so-called whistleblowers, so he could get a 'crash' course on something he was less familiar with. He was out to get the lay of the landscape that he wants to find more about. This is my 2 cents opinion, on the way he conducted this interview.

[anandacate]

My biggest disappointment is that I learned nothing about his big PROJECT, the Election Reform act, that he wants passed.


Hi Helene, maybe this will help.
This is the original manifesto published free online and at Amazon Kindle (https://www.unrig.net/manifesto/)

[Helene West]

My biggest disappointment is that I learned nothing about his big PROJECT, the Election Reform act, that he wants passed.


Hi Helene, maybe this will help.
This is the original manifesto published free online and at Amazon Kindle (https://www.unrig.net/manifesto/)

Thanks Anandacate.
I had gone to his site and saw that. Lots of info there and hyperlinks including the Pledge. But what I want to see is the actual draft of the doc that he wants passed. Today so many Acts being made into law have embedded additional reforms and laws baked in it that the constituents don't find out until it's already passed. I read that the last draft of the health care act the repubs were pushing had anti-gun legislation in it that people didn't know about. And that is supposedly a repub product?! We-r-one mentioned she read on one of his sites something similar, anti-2nd amendment sentiments. So I want to see as close as possible what will be sitting in front of the congressmen for them to sign.

Btw - on his unrig site he has "Death to the Deep State". Hard to believe the 'Company' is letting an agent or so-called 'ex' agent be talking like that.

[Helene West]

The style of questioning that RDS used to 'grill' KC was to a way to purely extract information from her. He said he would give her 'x' number of minutes to allow her to respond. He never allowed her the full time. He also interrupted her during her answer... Rapid-fire questioning to get answers under a time limit is a way to only get the information that is deeply embedded within the individual's psyche - information that lay at the foundation of their intellect. No time to think otherwise.

It seemed to me he had chosen KC, as she has interviewed many, many so-called whistleblowers, so he could get a 'crash' course on something he was less familiar with. He was out to get the lay of the landscape that he wants to find more about. This is my 2 cents opinion, on the way he conducted this interview.

that's exactly what I said above. someone needs to grill him just the same way he grilled her. He's after the Alt crowd for sure and wanted to see if her info would help his techniques and organizing strategies.
if you wanted to learn about him or his baby, Election Reform Act, the interview was useless. If you wanted to find out about KC, that's the interview to learn about her.

I'd like someone to ask him if he's for the 2nd amendment - Yes or No. Do you intend to make changes to any part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights? YES OR NO. just like he did... the Alt crowd is letting him off the hook.

[barneythez]

Hmmm, this tread certainly is a hot topic. Lots of pros and cons. I was hammered on as soon as I posted this. I hammered back, and thought......well, it's all fun and games. Step on someones ego, and they step on yours.

Speaking of ego, I really don't care if RDS' is feeding his. He's in a very different environment. He was a marine for crying out loud, I think they teach you to have one early on.

Yes, so he might have slipped up on the Alex Jones show, I've said things I regret. .....Maybe he has good intel.

To think that because he's ex-CIA he cannot be trusted, is very stringent. I thought there were white hats throughout the gov't. Why not the CIA?

In my heart, I think that he's sincere. I think I'm allowed to think that. If you think I'm being naivete', please don't beat me up over it. He's raising a red flag that our gov't is corrupted beyond what most americans think, and there are a lot of americans that believe the fake news on TV. It's kinda hard not to, if you cannot see their agenda. Heck, in this forum, it's hard to figure out who's penetrated this site so they can blow smoke.

I think that evolution comes slow to mankind, and small step seem to work best. It's not always the best person for the job who gets to help us evolve, but the person who has the guts to stand up and rattle the cages.

We are all not perfect, but we are perfect the way we are.

What's your calling?

[Ba-ba-Ra]

It seemed to me he had chosen KC, as she has interviewed many, many so-called whistleblowers, so he could get a 'crash' course on something he was less familiar with. He was out to get the lay of the landscape that he wants to find more about. This is my 2 cents opinion, on the way he conducted this interview.

That's the way it seemed to me as well. Although in the beginning, I felt he had an agenda and was trying to get her to say something specific that would serve him. But as
I was watched him, at some point he changed and he seemed to be really listening - as if he was trying to learn, or understand something. Why is the question. For positive or negative.

[Bayareamom]

"I think that evolution comes slow to mankind, and small step seem to work best. It's not always the best person for the job who gets to help us evolve, but the person who has the guts to stand up and rattle the cages."

SO true. I like this statement.

[barneythez]

BabySteps would have been more fitting, but I didn't think of it.

[Helene West]

In my heart, I think that he's sincere. I think I'm allowed to think that. If you think I'm being naivete', please don't beat me up over it.

Barney
No one is beating you up! I believe that you are sincere in your belief of him. But don't take it personally if others don't feel what you are feeling or seeing. He's a public figure, he's putting himself out there so you have to know not everyone is just going to fall in line and he will get some criticism at least.

When someone says publicly that the president of the united states better empower him or he will replace him, (whether he meant he himself or someone of his choosing) this is a person that needs to be looked at. Unfortunately I don't feel the folks that have the opportunity to go beyond the CV he is giving them (talk show hosts) are taking advantage of the opportunity and questioning him all that deep or calling him out on some of the things he says. However, I appreciate you giving us the video. I don't go to Kerry's site much anymore and the interview was on different levels, interesting. Thanks

[barneythez]

Thank you so much for that Helen. I needed to post it vs. just hitting the 'thanks' tab.
I'm not taking it personally, but like I said before, it's not always the best person for the job......
What I am thinking is that the deep state must lose control before any real change can happen. That seems to be RDS main objective, along with electoral reform.
I can't help but think that if we could make such a change happen, the effects would be universally felt.

[Helene West]

Thank you so much for that Helen. I needed to post it vs. just hitting the 'thanks' tab.
I'm not taking it personally, but like I said before, it's not always the best person for the job......
What I am thinking is that the deep state must lose control before any real change can happen. That seems to be RDS main objective, along with electoral reform.
I can't help but think that if we could make such a change happen, the effects would be universally felt.

Barney, Would you happen to know the specifics of this electoral reform? Does it have to do with the Electoral College? Five presidents won by the electoral college. Is he looking to change that procedure? What is it that he wants to reform, I mean aside from replacing trump? Forgive me for beating this drum but I have gone to his site and listened to a few interviews and maybe I'm blind and dumb but I'm not getting that part and that's the part that is supposed to be the substance.

[Bubu]

"There is no such thing as ex CIA".
question: whos protecting Trump against the CIA?
Ok so they are on different side of the coin but belong to the same owners. Don"t forget hooks needs baits. Trump sent US armada to N Korea. I guess we know who's order was that.

[barneythez]

Helen, I''m under the impression that he wants to include more of the parties that are excluded from the process. I don't think he's after the electoral college ( and maybe he should be ).
All is forgiven Helen, and you may have a good point. I certainly don't have the answers you seek. I haven't got the time to delve further into his agenda. I barely have time for Avalon.
You are certainly NOT blind or dumb. More than likely, more insightful than I am.

Bubu, you could be right also. This is where I need to spend more time meditating on these subjects, and see what comes of it. I'll reply more when I get off work. Life is very busy at the moment. Sorry.

[Bubu]

Lets not also forget the ruthlessness that these people showed. They wont hesitate to murder Trump or any of his family. So for Trump to be truly against them he should be in Russia with his family.
You see confusion = inaction. the sheeple wont be able to march towards a common goal. same game.
The only common goal that all people can agree upon is to " be the change you wanted to see" be more caring cooperating more independent of money. These is the only thing that has the potential to wake up the brainwashed front line support of the elite which is the military. They are our family. With out the front line support its easy to collapse them.
As long as we debate what is what in the political arena there will always be confusion and inaction on our part while they constantly tighten the shackles. Im putting my energy where it matters most.

[Daozen]

As long as we debate what is what in the political arena there will always be confusion and inaction on our part while they constantly tighten the shackles. Im putting my energy where it matters most.

I agree Bubu. Change will come from neighbourhoods, not politicians. Whether you like Trump, hate him, or whatever... spending hours debating him is a waste of a summer, and a waste of a life. There are so many awesome threads on Avalon. We are now openly debating powerful life extension methods that cost less than 20USD per month. The Matrix is trying to hypnotise us back into submission:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ir9HC9vYg

No change will ever come from the political muppet show. If people are sitting around waiting for scraps of intel from white hats, they are obedient, conditioned beggars.

Like him not, Shane said it best: Get off your damn knees.

[Callista]

Like him not, Shane said it best: Get off your damn knees.

and before him, David Icke ...

[Daozen]

Like him not, Shane said it best: Get off your damn knees.

and before him, David Icke ...

Ha. This is true Callista. I remember now.

https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/large/9780/9559/9780955997310.jpg

[Bubu]

The thing is when you focus on things that can easily be stage or info that can easily be manipulated, you are lost.
So while everyone is convince that he/she is correct and acts on that individually the net effect collectively is zero (inaction). precisely because of difference of opinions that results in different and conflicting actions. If we are to defeat the beast we must find something that everyone can agree upon and act on that. Something that is common and natural to all of us.

It does not matter how correct or wrong you are in the political arena, your net effect collectively is zero because you will be meet with opposition. Remember that we are battling a common beast and a common act has the best chance.
"Get out of you damn knees" get out of the political arena, bring the battle to the home court where we have the best chance

[Daozen]

Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.

[we-R-one]

I don't think he's after the electoral college ( and maybe he should be ).

The Electoral College is brilliant and should be left alone, imo. It prevents highly populated states from taking over election results to suit their own state's needs while giving a voice to areas with smaller populations.



I certainly don't have the answers you seek. I haven't got the time to delve further into his agenda.

Then why promote him? I'm not trying to make you feel bad...but referring to my overused statement, 'under the current climate' it's imperative to vet these people. No easy task, by any means as it's very time consuming. What concerns me is it's been difficult vetting UNRIG and the message seems somewhat muddled. Helen has some good questions and to me, if UNRIG is what he's all about, why is he talking to Kerry Cassidy about anything but? My instincts say there is something very untrustworthy going on here and it's why I'm so vocal about casting a warning.

People don't vet, and to some extent I understand why, it isn't an easy process and I even question myself wondering if I'm 'getting it' right.

[Helene West]

So politicians can't meditate?
Activists know nothing about 'energy' or connecting with their higher self, or God or a higher power?
The micro is mutually exclusive from the macro? and the subjective is mutually exclusive from the objective? I don't think so.

Go local you say. The deep state ignores the local? you don't think their 'agents of change' are on your town councils, community councils and school boards? Small local towns don't send their goons to homeowners threatening fines and penalties for the way they landscaped or their home improvements? We're going to make believe we don't know what's being done to small farmers, 4th generation farmers forced into bankruptcy?

I have a thread on a Local school enforcing transgender toolkits for kindergarteners. So much for your local...

When those apathetic or annoyed by the macro arena say it's all hot air they create a vacuum in that arena and the aggressive and controlling say, "Thank you very much" and rush to fill it.

I believe if there were more people interested in the larger political arena back in 1913 the Creatures from Jekyll Island would not have conquered us by taking over/owning our entire economy. Even if we only had small amounts of money it would still hold purchasing power for us to obtain education and a decent house without becoming a debt slave. The power it gave them resulted in them being able to reach into every area of life creating the chaos that is now western society. And they're not finished. I just don't believe me volunteering to work in my community's garden is going to stop them or push them back. It's a great thing to do though, granted.

This thread was about a specific person who may have his sites on either running for president, replacing the current president or launching the next candidate. Examining him and what he is selling involves concrete work and it's within the macro or political. I don't think those who feel strongly about this are stupid or wasting their time. Folks are throwing around the nifty saying, "Get off your damn knees" - whatever that's supposed to mean. It doesn't take courage to meditate but it does to be an activist. Slaves can walk upright.

If i can bear listening to it I'll be tuning in to yet another interview of RDS by Jeff Rense. I'm now real curious to see if RDS ever spells out his election Reform Act.

[Pam]

Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.



Thanks for reminding me of this, Daozen. All this hype is sort of passively hypnotizing and debating it ad nauseum can feel like it is doing something. I think I can gain more benefit taking off my shoes and planting my feet firmly on the beautiful ground.

[Daozen]

Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.



Thanks for reminding me of this, Daozen. All this hype is sort of passively hypnotizing and debating it ad nauseum can feel like it is doing something. I think I can gain more benefit taking off my shoes and planting my feet firmly on the beautiful ground.

Believe me I know how alluring this nonsense is Pam. I believed some of it for a couple of years. We're all going through our issues at our own pace.

I probably come off grumpy the way I am needling these people, and saying how they're wasting people's time and Avalon's. But deep down t's the opposite:

There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98570-The-vision&highlight=vision

A quick scan of new posts shows its all debate and conjecture. There's nothing physical. Nothing that isn't alt media fluff and nonsense.

Carry on as you will, pundits. Carry on as you will. McMurphy has left the building. ha.

[Helene West]

Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.



Thanks for reminding me of this, Daozen. All this hype is sort of passively hypnotizing and debating it ad nauseum can feel like it is doing something. I think I can gain more benefit taking off my shoes and planting my feet firmly on the beautiful ground.

Believe me I know how alluring this nonsense is Pam. I believed some of it for a couple of years. We're all going through our issues at our own pace.

I probably come off grumpy the way I am needling these people, and saying how they're wasting people's time and Avalon's. But deep down t's the opposite:

There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98570-The-vision&highlight=vision

A quick scan of new posts shows its all debate and conjecture. There's nothing physical. Nothing that isn't alt media fluff and nonsense.

Carry on as you will, pundits. Carry on as you will. McMurphy has left the building. ha.

Such a peaceful looking avatar but such contempt in words and attitude. You may not have noticed but the thread is political and specifically about a very political person named Robert David Steele. Wonder why you showed up?

Carry on as You will, O Delphic Oracle - wannabe. ha

[Daozen]

EDIT: By "repetitive trash" I meant nothing personal against Kerry Cassidy or RDS. IMO the whole political debate scene is just a massive distraction from white-hat engineering. Engineers are the only people who have ever truly raised standards of living on this planet. Politicians have given nothing. To infer that change is somehow going to come from a top-down political change is, IMO, delusional. We've seen hundreds of promises come and go from the latest-intel crowd. They will continue to make false promises for the next 50 years. Their job is to feed us poisoned honey.





Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.



Thanks for reminding me of this, Daozen. All this hype is sort of passively hypnotizing and debating it ad nauseum can feel like it is doing something. I think I can gain more benefit taking off my shoes and planting my feet firmly on the beautiful ground.

Believe me I know how alluring this nonsense is Pam. I believed some of it for a couple of years. We're all going through our issues at our own pace.

I probably come off grumpy the way I am needling these people, and saying how they're wasting people's time and Avalon's. But deep down t's the opposite:

There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98570-The-vision&highlight=vision

A quick scan of new posts shows its all debate and conjecture. There's nothing physical. Nothing that isn't alt media fluff and nonsense.

Carry on as you will, pundits. Carry on as you will. McMurphy has left the building. ha.

Such a peaceful looking avatar but such contempt in words and attitude. You may not have noticed but the thread is political and specifically about a very political person named Robert David Steele. Wonder why you showed up?

Carry on as You will, O Delphic Oracle - wannabe. ha

Is this contempt?:


There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored

Are you on meme patrol this evening, HW? I'm sorry the alt media steering commitee (AMSTEC) doesn't approve of my post. This thread is pure fantasy. Just like the Blue Avians, BRICS, the AIIB, Obama-is-a-white-hat, Trump-will-save-the-day. Its all dangled carrots from a dying Matrix.

Don't you have a race war to provoke, Helene?

If I was looking for attention, I'd just start threads on Trump or banking.

ttyl.

[Helene West]

EDIT: By "repetitive trash" I meant nothing personal against Kerry Cassidy or RDS. IMO the whole political debate scene is just a massive distraction from white-hat engineering. Engineers are the only people who have ever truly raised standards of living on this planet. Politicians have given nothing. To infer that change is somehow going to come from a top-down political change is, IMO, delusional. We've seen hundreds of promises come and go from the latest-intel crowd. They will continue to make false promises for the next 50 years. Their job is to feed us poisoned honey.





Music, farming. apps, crowdfunding, friends, houses, shelters, art, water filters, 3D printers, cities, herbs. All these things are real.

The rest is hot air. They're trying to distract us from improving physical conditions for each other by over-promising easy freedom.

It does't rain silver, and it doesn't rain gold.



Thanks for reminding me of this, Daozen. All this hype is sort of passively hypnotizing and debating it ad nauseum can feel like it is doing something. I think I can gain more benefit taking off my shoes and planting my feet firmly on the beautiful ground.

Believe me I know how alluring this nonsense is Pam. I believed some of it for a couple of years. We're all going through our issues at our own pace.

I probably come off grumpy the way I am needling these people, and saying how they're wasting people's time and Avalon's. But deep down t's the opposite:

There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98570-The-vision&highlight=vision

A quick scan of new posts shows its all debate and conjecture. There's nothing physical. Nothing that isn't alt media fluff and nonsense.

Carry on as you will, pundits. Carry on as you will. McMurphy has left the building. ha.

Such a peaceful looking avatar but such contempt in words and attitude. You may not have noticed but the thread is political and specifically about a very political person named Robert David Steele. Wonder why you showed up?

Carry on as You will, O Delphic Oracle - wannabe. ha

Is this contempt?:


There's a beautiful world out there, and you guys are just holed up debating this repetitive trash. It's lame. Even if you are housebound for one reason or another, you could focus on some of the awesome innovation out there. But threads focused on this tend to get ignored

Are you on meme patrol this evening, HW? I'm sorry the alt media steering commitee (AMSTEC) doesn't approve of my post. This thread is pure fantasy. Just like the Blue Avians, BRICS, the AIIB, Obama-is-a-white-hat, Trump-will-save-the-day. Its all dangled carrots from a dying Matrix.

Don't you have a race war to provoke, Helene?

If I was looking for attention, I'd just start threads on Trump or banking.

ttyl.

actually I was thinking the same about you. We both know this is not the first political thread you've trolled. I was interested in the Actual Topic of the Thread, Robert David Steele, that's why I'm here. You're here to put down people interested in political topics.
There's plenty of threads I'm not interested in but I don't go there and start letting people know how dumb they are for their interests and how elevated I am for mine, which is essentially what you are doing.

[Daozen]

I don't think they're dumb. More blind. I think they're clever people being misled. I have a right to call out misdirection if I see it, just as other people have pointed out my mistakes and flaws. I think the political white hat narrative is a deliberate attempt to keep people hypnotized, sedated and passive. I don't like that, and I don't like Avalon being used as a platform for demagoguery. I accept it's people's right to read and write what they want. It's my right to call these things out. Remember Keshe? 3 years of lies from him and his supporters.

What I see here is a group of adults who think that change is going to fall into their laps. Not everyone on Avalon is like that, but there are a lot of fantasists here. I hope one day they pull their heads out and help the reconstruction. I am happy to let them go their way, but you keep quoting my posts, so I'm going to say something.

You don't like it? Tough luck Snowflake... We're Making Avalon Great Again.

http://www.whatsonweibo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/trump.jpg

[Helene West]

Like I said, this isn't the first political thread you've trolled.
You have disdain for those who have passion for political topics. But why come to the very type of threads you have contempt for? You cover up your holier-than-thou attitude with defending Avalon? Please, there's a hundred different topics on here, no one needs your bs defense. Political folk are no more ruining Avalon than those who post about living in a hologram, etc.

It's not my thread, but you've trolled mine before with your usual song and dance, i.e. - people who feel strongly on political issues are dumb, or blind or wasting their time. Just like with this one you had no interest in the topic but showed up just to put our your signature message - 'Do what I say, here's what you dopes Should be interested in (insert your little list), I'm so enlightened...'
What was it you told me? - oh, yeah, I should listen to Miles Davis? lol... next week the first americans will be chipped, but no big deal, go listen to miles davis, that's the solution...

This is my last response to you as it's not fair to the original topic and I do happen to be interested in the topic, RDS. I'm almost finished with the Jeff Rense / RDS interview which I want to comment on. You can have the last word, your ego probably needs to.

[Billy]

. Carry on as you will. McMurphy has left the building. ha.


This is my last response to you as it's not fair to the original topic and I do happen to be interested in the topic, RDS.

Hey guys, yes it would be nice if you could both self moderate. No need for personal attacks to continue.

:focus:

[onawah]

A whole page of bickering when the forum is in the public eye is not a good thing.

[Helene West]

Finally found some info giving me more of a clue about RDS's 'platform'. #Unrig is listing 12 points, most of which needs further explanation. Just out of the gate I'm not sure what #1 "Universal Registration" means. Maybe I should, it sounds familiar, but I'll be looking up some it.

RDS's Election Reform Act of 2017, 12 Points:

1. Universal Registration + Prisoners Vote
2. Free & Equal Ballot Access
3. Tightly Drawn Districts Based on U.S. Citizens NOT Counting Illegal
Aliens/Foreigners
4. Free & Equal Public Funding
5. Free & Equal Media Access
6. Inclusive Debates + Cabinet Debates (Full Cabinet Must Be Announced 30 Days
prior to Election Day, Also Balanced Budget announced 30 Days Prior)
7. Open Primaries
8. Election Day Holiday + Free Public Transport
9. Paper Ballots + Exit Polls
10. End Winner Take All Voting (e.g. Choose 1st, 2nd, 34d choice, then instant
Run- off applies)
11. Legislative Process Integrity - no secret clauses, online change ala github with
open voting at the line item level
12. Economic & Financial Democracy - End all opposition to unionization (e.g. Taft-
Hartley 14b), nationalize central banks

[Daozen]

I apologize to the people of Avalon if I was abrasive, I will do my best to moderate myself in future and tone down my obnoxiousness to acceptable levels.

I'll keep it as dry as I can:

- In my view, nothing that Robert David Steele is promising will come true.

- He'll continue to make promises for months and years, before losing people's trust and fading into the background. That process has already started, and it's only a matter of time now.

- While I accept that everyone has the right to discuss the subjects they want; in my view, putting energy and passion into poltics may well be a recipe for a wasted life. I find it a shame that discussions like these dominate Avalon, when subjects like immortality and new building materials are often sidelined.

- TPTB know that political discourse is a dead end, so they deliberately encourage people to enter the political arena. This allows them to misdirect the energy of potential changemakers and disruptors into safe, harmless, channels.

- While political discussion may appear dynamic, under the surface it's feeding both sides of the beast.

- RDS, whether he knows it or not, is leading people up the garden path, into a dead end.

- Look at history, especially the 60s and 70s, and figure how many "alternative leaders" were in fact working for the establishment. Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Bob Weir, and all the Laurel Canyon people to name but a few. Are the same operations going on nowadays?

- There has been a concerted effort, for more than 5 years, to flood Avalon and the other conspiracy boards with sweet and sour fantasy. One group is promising instant doom, the other easy liberation. Both are deceptive.

- In the past 20, 200, or 2000 years. 99 percent of change has come from the private sector.

*

- There is a huge release of technology going on under our noses, and Avalon seems 98% oblivious to it. Part of that oblivion is the result of political noise, bullhorning and false promises from various alt media pundits.

- I have watched this going on for 5 years and I don't like it. My aim has never been to self prromote (none of you know my name, location or face) but to promote the technology that can bring about a better world. It is my right to voice my opinion when I see people using Avalon to promote agendas which I see as dangerous to humans in 2017.

- I have benefitted a lot from my time here and I'll probably stick to the longevity/immortality threads.

The final revolution will come when humans rise up against their own stupidity.

I will warn you only once, do not find yourself staring in the mirror one day wondering if you've wasted your entire life. I type this to warn myself, just as much as others. A Rennaisance is trying to take hold. It needs help to grow. But if you wish to meander in the abyss, that is your right.

I'll go and research c60 + h2 now.

*doffs cap*

[Helene West]

Following up on post #110 above, #Unrig's 12 points for Election Reform, I mentioned that out of the gate I didn't know what #1 was - Universal Registration. In researching it, wow! It's a big issue. Below is a discussion of the Con/Against side which is put forth by Conservatives. I will post the Pro side (unless someone else does) after I really take in this large amount of info. The Pro side is favored by libs, Wash Po, Huff Po, etc. and RDS. I found much more articles Pro than Con. Discussion below against Universal Registration is a few years old.
Link, Discussion below:
http://www.heritage.org/node/11897/print-display

Against Universal (or Modernization/Mandatory) Registration (from the Heritage Foundation):

Mandatory voter registration (MVR), previously termed “universal” registration, could significantly damage the integrity of America’s voter registration system. The “voter registration modernization”[2] concept of automatically registering individuals through information contained in various existing government databases would throw the current system into chaos.
Specifically, voter registration modernization could result in the registration of large numbers of ineligible voters as well as multiple or duplicate registrations of the same individuals. When combined with the accompanying proposal that states allow any individuals who are not automatically registered to register and vote on Election Day, MVR presents a sure formula for registration and voter fraud that could damage the integrity of elections.
Automatically registering individuals to vote without their permission would also violate their basic right to choose whether they wish to participate in the U.S. political process. Indeed, this new scheme threatens one of American’s most cherished liberties: the freedom to be left alone by the government.

A “Solution” in Search of a Problem
Lack of registration is not the reason people do not vote. Ideological organizations such as FairVote and the Brennan Center for Justice are proposing that states automatically register all individuals to vote using existing government databases. Such proposals are based on the false premise that large numbers of Americans do not vote “for no other reason than they are not registered to vote.”[3] Yet after every federal election, the U.S. Census Bureau publishes reports on the levels of registration and voting, including surveys of individuals who do not vote, that disprove the claims that the major reason individuals do not vote is a lack of registration opportunities.[4]
For example, of the 146 million people who the Census Bureau reported were registered to vote in 2008, 15 million (10 percent) did not vote. Of those who did not vote, only 6 percent cited registration problems as the reason for not participating. Rather, the vast majority of these registered but nonvoters said they did not vote for reasons ranging from forgetting to vote to not liking the candidates or the campaign issues or simply not being interested.
With regard to those individuals who are not registered to vote, the Census Bureau’s 2008 report demonstrates that the major reason individuals failed to register was that they were not “interested in the election/not involved in politics.” That represented 46 percentof the individuals in the Census Bureau’s survey. Another 35 percent of individuals did not register for a variety of reasons such as not being eligible to vote, thinking their vote would not make a difference, not meeting residency requirements, or difficulty with English.
Thinking that their vote would not make a difference is quite true in some cases even if the rest of us enjoy and encourage civic participation for its own sake: “[E]ven a smart and hardworking person can rationally decide not to pay much attention to politics. No matter how well-informed a person is, his or her vote has only a tiny chance of affecting the outcome of an election.”[5]

Only 4 percent of individuals reported not registering to vote because they did “not know where or how to register.” This may be true, or it could be a convenient excuse for many who are too embarrassed to tell a pollster the truth given how easy it is to register by mail, at the many locations where registration is available such as libraries and numerous government offices and agencies, or (in many states) by using the Internet.
The Census Bureau’s 2010 report indicates similar results.[6] Only 3.3 percent of individuals reported not voting because of supposed registration difficulties. Given the tendency of many people not to take responsibility for their own failings or perceived failings, the actual number of people who did not vote because of registration difficulties may be even smaller. The overwhelming majority of those who did not vote said they were not interested (16 percent); were too busy (27 percent); forgot to vote (8 percent); did not like the candidates or the campaign issues (9 percent); or had various other reasons.[7]

Registration problems do not disproportionately affect minorities and low-income citizens. Among the tiny percentage of voters who said they did not vote because of “registration problems,” there was also almost no racial differential. For instance, the percentage of whites who claimed they did not vote because of a registration problem was 3.2 percent, compared to 3.3 percent of blacks and only 2.8 percent of Hispanics.
There is little evidence to support the oft-repeated assertion that “voter-initiated registration” has a “disproportionate impact on low-income citizens and those who are less educated.”[8] In fact, the Census surveys show otherwise. For example, in 2008, the percentage of registered voters who did not vote because of “registration problems” was 6 percent; among voters with a bachelor’s degree or more, the percentage was 7.4 percent compared to only 3.2 percent for those with an educational attainment of “less than high school graduate.” Furthermore, those attaining “high school graduate or GED” had a rate of 5.8 percent.

The Census survey, in other words, actually demonstrated that less-educated voters had fewer registration problems. The 2010 survey reported similar results for those who did not vote due to registration problems: less than high school, 2.5 percent; high school graduate, 2.6 percent; bachelor’s degree or more, 4.3 percent.
With regard to income, the 2010 Census survey demonstrated no discernible “disproportionate impact.” For example, the percentage of voters with a family income of $100,000 to $149,000 who did not vote because of purported registration problems was 3.5 percent; the percentage of those with an income of $15,000 to $19,999 who claimed registration problems was only 1.9 percent; and the percentage of voters with an income of $10,000 to $14,999 who supposedly had registration problems was 2.8 percent, just slightly more than the 2.6 percent reported by individuals making more than $150,000.
Thus, according to the federal government’s own surveys, the claim that “the single greatest cause of voting problems in the United States”[9] is the voter registration system is false. The greatest causes of individuals not registering and not voting are their lack of interest in politics and candidates and other reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with registration or lack of registration.

Experience with the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 shows that voter registration is not a barrier to voting. The push to pass the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) of 1993 was based on the same, similarly flawed premise: that voter registration is a barrier to voting. Before its implementation, “many researchers were optimistic about NVRA’s projected impact on voter turnout”; but while the act “did lead to millions of new registered voters,” it apparently made “no significant change in voter turnout.”[10] In other words, the NVRA only led to an increase in the number of registered voters who do not vote.

Other researchers point out that overall registration levels have not increased substantially since passage of the NVRA. The Census Bureau’s 2008 report shows that the reported voter registration rate in 1996—three years after the NVRA became law—was 70.9 percent. The reported registration rate in 2008 was 71 percent—an increase of only one-tenth of 1 percent after the NVRA had been in effect for 15 years.[11] In 2008, the highest level of turnout according to the Census Bureau was among non-Hispanic Whites (66 percent) and blacks (65 percent); turnout among Asians was 48 percent, and turnout among Hispanics was 50 percent.[12]
The experience with the NVRA shows the basic flaw in the underlying assumptions that led to its passage: that registration “barriers” were somehow the reason for the claimed decline in voter turnout. Research shows “that the motivation to vote is especially internal: people register because they plan to vote. Therefore people who are registered are very likely to vote. However, people who have no interest in voting do not register to vote.”[13]
One detailed study of nonvoters concluded that it is “[a]nother misconception about nonvoters…that they would vote if only the [registration] process was easier.”[14] The study concluded that the reason people do not vote is because for many of them, “voting is neither duty nor ritual.” They are not interested in politics, or are cynical about its outcomes, or do not believe their votes will make a difference (public choice scholarship confirms that such cynicism is often well-founded).

In other words, there are “competing strains of alienation and complacency” among the ranks of nonvoters.[15] Consequently, electoral reforms—“such as easing voter registration through motor-voter legislation, same-day registration, or uncoupling registration from jury duty—have had, at best, a negligible net effect on voter participation.”[16] Those with greater faith in government’s efficiency and efficacy may be more optimistic about its ability to have a positive impact on American’s lives. In the long run, however, that faith may do more to undermine civic virtue than a healthy cynicism about government bureaucracy.
MVR’s Numerous Practical Problems
Various recommendations made for a federally imposed, national mandate would require states and local governments to:
• Use existing state and federal government databases to automatically (and permanently) register all citizens to vote.
• Create an overriding policy to ensure that voters left off the rolls can register and vote on Election Day.
• Require U.S. citizens to register to vote when completing taxes or actively opt out of the process.
• Tie Post Office change-of-address forms to the voter registration database.
• Require state or local governments to send every residence a notice of those registered at that location; residents could then make changes as needed and return the updated form.
• Provide every U.S. citizen upon birth or naturalization a voter registration number similar to a Social Security number, to be used in all elections and activated when a voter turns 18.[17]
Some of the groundwork for these proposals and federalization of the voter registration process was laid at a Senate Rules Committee hearing by Senator Charles E. Schumer (D–NY) on March 11, 2009.[18] Senator Schumer advocated overhauling America’s voter registration system in favor of the “Voter Registration Modernization” proposal from the Brennan Center.[19] This proposal shifts the responsibility of voter registration from the individual to the government, leading to the erosion of distinctions between state and federal responsibilities in election management and the responsibility of individuals to take the steps required to participate in the election process.

The push for mandatory voter registration has accelerated recently. In December 2012, a month after the November election, the leaders of more than three dozen liberal advocacy groups met in Washington for an off-the-record meeting (though covered by Mother Jones in some detail) to plan strategy on election-related issues. One of the top three goals was mandating “voter registration modernization” and same-day voter registration; at the same time, one of the other goals agreed on was to oppose any efforts to improve election integrity through voter identification and proof-of-citizenship requirements.[20]

At a speech in Boston on December 11, 2012, Attorney General Eric Holder voiced the Obama Administration’s support for automatic registration.[21] The head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, Thomas Perez, said on November 16, 2012, that “all eligible citizens can and should be automatically registered to vote” based on compiling “from databases that already exist.” Perez also claimed that one of the “biggest barriers to voting in the country today is our antiquated registration system.”[22]The Brennan Center’s 2008 proposal was relaunched in January 2013 when the Brennan Center issued another report on “voter registration modernization,” and on January 23, 2013, Representative John Lewis (D–GA) introduced the Voter Empowerment Act (VEA).[23]
These mandates involve numerous practical difficulties. The most common proposal—for states to use existing government databases “to build”[24] their voter rolls—presents several immediate problems.
First, many government databases may lack a signature, which is required for voter registration and essential for verifying both petitions for candidates and ballot initiatives, as well as requests for absentee ballots and voted absentee ballots that are received by election officials.

Second, using government databases such as “motor vehicle departments, income tax authorities, and social service agencies,” as recommended by the Brennan Center, would fail to differentiate citizens from non-citizens. All states, for example, provide driver’s licenses to aliens who are legally in the United States, and several states provide driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. Many individuals who reside in the United States but are not citizens also file tax returns, which would allow individuals who filed with “income tax authorities” the ability to register to vote. It would also lead to duplicate and multiple registrations of individuals listed on different government databases, such as individuals who own property or pay taxes in more than one state.
Third, as an enormous unfunded mandate on the states, these proposals would prove costly: a diversion of limited government resources for little to no appreciable increase in voter participation rates.

In addition to DMV, social service, and income tax agencies, the VEA would require automatic registration of individuals from state agencies that provide benefits under Title III of the Social Security Act, that maintain records on students enrolled at secondary schools, that are responsible for administering criminal convictions, or that determine mental competence. Additionally, automatic registration would be required from the federal offices of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Bureau, the Social Security Administration, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. Probation Service, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Defense Manpower Data Center of the Department of Defense, and the Indian Health Services and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services of the Department of Health and Human Services.

No transaction with any such agency could be completed “until the individual has indicated whether he or she wishes to register to vote.” Every time an individual applied for services or assistance, and “with each recertification, renewal, or change of address relating to such services or assistance,” the agency would have to ask the individual about registering to vote and could not provide any requested service or assistance until the registration issue had been addressed.[25]
Proponents of mandatory registration from government databases oppose even limited use of such databases to maintain accurate voter rolls. It is rather ironic that many of the organizations pushing for automatic registration of individuals based on government databases oppose states’ attempts to verify the citizenship, identity, and accuracy of the information provided by individuals registering to vote by comparing them to other government databases.[26] In 2007, for example, the Brennan Center, along with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the Advancement Project, sued Florida for running database comparisons on registered voters’ information with “the state driver’s license database or the Social Security Administration’s database.”[27] In a related press release, the Brennan Center complained about “common database errors” and opposed matching as “an error-laden practice.”[28 ]

Furthermore, in 2006, the Brennan Center and other so-called civil rights organizations sued the state of Washington, claiming that attempting to match voter registration information with other government databases violated the Voting Rights Act and the U.S. Constitution and would disenfranchise voters.[29] In fact, the Brennan Center issued a report in 2006 complaining about the supposedly “wide variety of common database matching errors” caused by “data entry” mistakes.[30] Yet the Center now wants to use those same supposedly inaccurate databases to register voters automatically.
As Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler pointed out during a January 2013 discussion at The Heritage Foundation, there is no question that there are inaccuracies in state voter registration rolls. However, federal databases are also riddled with errors that may eclipse inconsistencies at the state level. It is important to note that state registration lists are transparent—such lists are available to candidates, political parties, and the public—but federal databases lack such transparency, and election officials and the public therefore cannot verify the accuracy of such lists.

Gessler has witnessed many inaccuracies in Social Security Administration information as well as the National Change of Address (NCOA) database used by the U.S. Postal Service. For example, the NCOA reports a move only if an individual informs the Postal Service of a move. Errors can also occur if the NCOA database classifies everyone at a particular address as having moved when only one person in the household has moved. Gessler believes these federal databases are valuable when they are being used by states to check the information contained in state voter registration lists, since any discrepancy can be researched and corrections made, but to use federal information to automatically register individuals to vote would be to court disaster.
The Brennan Center says that many of these government databases “already include all the information necessary to determine voter eligibility, and those that do not can easily be modified to include that information.”[31] However, as just one example, many of these databases do not contain citizenship information—a basic requirement for eligibility to vote. Organizations such as the Brennan Center have opposed states requiring proof of citizenship from registrants that would provide “that information.”
Even worse, in 2012, a number of civil rights organizations and the Department of Justice sued Florida in an unsuccessful attempt to stop the state’s verification of citizenship status through database comparisons.[32] Florida had to sue the federal government to get access to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immigration databases to which it is entitled under federal immigration law to get citizenship information. DHS has also fought states through administrative measures, such as using bureaucratic red tape to prevent states from accessing its own databases—something Secretary Gessler experienced firsthand in Colorado.
As the trail of litigation makes clear, these organizations would fight any implementation of an automatic registration program that would allow states first to compare the information in one database with the information in other state and federal databases to ensure that the information is accurate and that only eligible individuals are being registered.

MVR makes maintenance of existing registration lists even more difficult. The VEA introduced by Representative Lewis would make it difficult—even more so than it already is—for states to maintain accurate voter registration lists. For example, the legislation would amend the NVRA to prevent states from requiring further documentation of new registrants—documentation, such as proof of citizenship, that might be needed to determine eligibility. Section 104 of the bill requires states to register anyone who has provided the state with a “valid voter registration form” that has been “completed” and “attested” by the applicant. The bill also prohibits the “transfer” of information from “the computerized Statewide voter registration list to any source agency.”[33]Election officials would not even be allowed to retain the “identity of the specific source agency through which an individual consented to register to vote” after the individual is added to the statewide voter registration list.[34]

Consequently, if election officials later determined that registration information was inaccurate or even fraudulent, they would be unable to notify whatever state or federal agency provided them with information on that registrant, making it impossible for the source agencies to investigate possible fraud in the state and federal programs they are responsible for administering. Lewis’s bill would even give noncitizens a get-out-of-jail-free card: It provides that any ineligible individual who becomes registered to vote “shall not be subject to any penalty” for registering “including the imposition of a fine or term of imprisonment, adverse treatment in any immigration or naturalization proceeding, or the denial of any status under immigration laws.”[35] In fact, government officials would be prohibited from using “the information received by” election officials “to attempt to determine the citizenship status of any individual for immigration enforcement.”[36 ]

The Lewis bill also prohibits comparison of voter registration information “with any existing commercial list or database” at the risk of imprisonment for not more than one year and subject to fines.[37] Many commercial databases are more accurate than government databases. There is no reason for such a prohibition—let alone such criminal penalties—other than to remove a valuable tool that could otherwise be used by state officials to deter fraud.

Supporters of a federal mandate for automatic and same-day registration rarely, if ever, mention that Canada has had such a system in place since 1997. This registration system is administered by Elections Canada, which is responsible for conducting all federal elections and referenda. The United States, for a number of good reasons, has no such equivalent federal agency, but one is particularly relevant to the current registration debate: America’s system of dual sovereignty is constitutionally guaranteed, and elections traditionally have been administered by the states. Canadians are automatically registered from a host of government databases similar to those proposed in the VEA, including the Canada Revenue Agency, Citizenship and Immigration Canada, National Defense, provincial and territorial driver’s license and vital statistics agencies, and provincial electoral agencies.[38](Canadians can also still register and vote on Election Day.)

Yet Canada’s automatic registration system has had no effect in increasing turnout. Even before the implementation of Canada’s new system in 1997, Canadians voted in larger numbers than Americans, but Canada has still seen a steady decline in turnout since the 1970s.[39]

The reasons that Canadian voters who have been automatically registered by the government give for not voting are similar to justifications given by U.S. voters: 28 percent were not interested; 23 percent were too busy; and the rest said “they were out of town, ill or didn’t like any of the candidates.”[40] Automatic voter registration is no panacea for declining turnout or the unwillingness of individuals to participate in the voting process. Thus, it seems clear that Canada’s approach would cause considerable mischief in America’s state-administered election system while providing no benefit in terms of voter turnout.
MVR raises serious privacy concerns. Requiring individuals who would not register on their own to “‘opt-out’ from registration” if they want “to remain unregistered for whatever reason”[41] interferes with the basic right of individuals to decide whether—and to what extent—to participate in the political and democratic process. While society might hope that all citizens will vote, each and every American has the liberty not to do so for whatever reason. Americans who choose not to vote should not have to act every time they make a transaction with a government agency to avoid registration or to remove themselves from a government list that they had no interest in joining in the first place, particularly if it involves investigation of their citizenship, felon status, and other factors that are important to eligibility.

Even if individuals can ask to be removed from the registration list after the database information has been transferred to election officials, such automatic registration raises serious privacy concerns. Voter registration lists are public documents that are (and should be) accessible to journalists, candidates, political parties, and individual citizens. In fact, this transparency is an important component of our election process since these lists are often bought by candidates and political parties for the purposes of identifying voters for political campaigns and organizing get-out-the-vote programs for Election Day.

In contrast, not only are state governments obligated to keep the information in many types of other databases maintained by government agencies private, but information on individuals such as police officers, government officials, or victims of domestic violence must be kept confidential. Automatic voter registration could reveal information such as residential addresses, thereby violating the privacy of individuals who have registered for various other types of government benefits. The VEA does require that such information be kept confidential, but that may be very difficult for election officials to do when they are receiving large amounts of information on hundreds of thousands of individuals from other government databases. The source agencies, which may otherwise be required by law to keep all of their client information confidential, may not be aware that certain clients are police officers or victims of domestic violence—individuals with specific privacy requirements.

A Slippery Slope: Permanent Registration
The Brennan Center and others are also proposing that the federal government require states to institute statewide permanent registration. This requirement would mandate that “once a voter is on the rolls, she would be permanently registered within the state and able to vote without re-registering even if she moved within the state or changed her name.”[42]

Already, the National Voter Registration Act has curtailed states’ ability to clean up bloated voter registration rolls by removing ineligible voters who have moved or died. Making registrations permanent would exacerbate this problem. In fact, many states became so fearful of lawsuits by the Justice Department to enforce these NVRA restrictions that they simply stopped maintaining the integrity of their voter registration rolls.
Citizens have a responsibility to inform state election officials when they change their residence or become ineligible to vote for other reasons, such as being convicted of a felony. Notifying election officials of a change of address within a state is especially important because election officials estimate the number of ballots needed at a polling place based on the number of registered voters and past turnout. Allowing individuals who are registered elsewhere in a state but who failed to notify election officials of their move to vote at a new precinct would undermine election officials’ ability both to estimate how many ballots are needed and to ensure a smooth voting experience without long lines. Indeed, underestimating the number of ballots needed or the number of voters expected at a given precinct makes it more likely that some voters will be disenfranchised.
Furthermore, the proposal on permanency would require government agencies like state Departments of Motor Vehicles, the Social Security Administration, or the Post Office to provide updated address information to election officials in order to change the registration addresses of registered voters. Again, such a proposal smacks of hypocrisy: The U.S. Postal Service’s NCOA is supposedly so inaccurate that liberal civil rights organizations have objected to its use by private parties trying to investigate the validity of voter registrations.

“Vote Caging.” These groups even have coined a term—“vote caging”—to describe this practice. Specifically, they claim that private parties’ use of the U.S. Postal Service’s practice of returning non-forwardable mail to challenge the eligibility of voters constitutes voter suppression even if its records show that the individual no longer resides at the registered address.[43] Indeed, a number of bills have been sponsored in Congress that would make reliance on the U.S. Postal Service’s mail service in this manner a federal offense. Not surprisingly, Section 301 of Representative Lewis’s VEA would prohibit such “vote caging.” If the NCOA database is so inaccurate, why are some suggesting that it be used to pad the voter rolls?
The real problem with such a system is that without a unique identifier, it would be very difficult to match many of these records.[44] The only such unique identifier is a Social Security number. Only a handful of states require that an individual registering to vote provide a Social Security number, and these states, such as Virginia, are allowed to do so only because they were grandfathered into the federal Privacy Act of 1974, which restricts the use of Social Security numbers. Any states that did not require a Social Security number to register when that act was passed cannot implement such a requirement today.[45] When the Help America Vote Act of 2002 was being debated in Congress, a proposal to allow all states to require a full Social Security number from new voter registrants was defeated.

The proposal to provide every U.S. citizen upon birth or naturalization a voter registration number similar to a Social Security number, to be used in all elections and activated when a voter turns 18, would require the creation of a new federal bureaucracy. A more logical approach would be simply to amend federal law to allow all states to require that any individual registering to vote must provide his or her Social Security number. However, in the current political climate, such reform has little chance. Furthermore, political concerns aside, the use of Social Security numbers for voter registration raises valid privacy issues.
To the extent that state voter registration lists can be linked to state DMV records and other state databases, states should—and often do—conduct regular database matching to update registration information as individuals move, die, or become ineligible. But due to the inherent inaccuracies in all such databases, as well as the inability to keep up with all changes in the status of individual voters, states should not be prohibited from removing voters who do not vote in a certain number of federal elections—after they are sent notice of the impending removal. That failure to vote is one indication that a voter has moved or otherwise become ineligible without notifying election officials.

Election-Day or Same-Day Registration
Election-Day registration is highly vulnerable to organized election fraud. The proposal for a federally mandated “fail-safe” that would allow anyone to register and vote on Election Day raises constitutional concerns and is poor public policy.[46] Indeed, such policy is a prescription for fraud,
Allowing a voter to both register and vote on Election Day makes it nearly impossible to prevent duplicate votes in different areas or to verify the accuracy of any information provided by a voter. Election officials are unable to check the authenticity of a registration or the eligibility and qualifications of a registrant by comparing the registration information to other state and federal databases that provide information not just on identity, but also on citizenship status and whether the individual in question is a felon whose voting rights have been suspended.

Since Election Day registrants cast a regular ballot, even if election officials determine that the registration was invalid after the election, they have no means of discounting the ballot.
For those states entering into cooperative agreements to compare their voter registration lists to identify individuals registered in more than one state, same-day registration would also eliminate that safeguard. In fact, many of the same organizations that are proposing this type of “fail-safe” have vigorously fought Wisconsin’s effort to begin providing some verification of Election Day registrants by requiring such individuals to show a photo ID. After a comprehensive investigation of voter fraud in the 2004 election, the Milwaukee Police Department concluded that the “one thing that could eliminate a large percentage of fraud or the appearance of fraudulent voting in any given Election is the elimination of the On-Site or Same-Day voter registration system.”[47]
In 1986, voters in Oregon got rid of same-day registration after the Rajneeshee cult tried to take over a local county by not only engineering a bioterrorist attack using salmonella to sicken hundreds of residents (and potential voters), but also planning to bring in large numbers of nonresidents (many of them homeless) on Election Day to flood the polls with ineligible voters. As Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach said at The Heritage Foundation in January 2013, double voting becomes almost impossible to stop with same-day registration. Voters can just make up names and false addresses and go from polling place to polling place to vote. Kobach was not aware of any state where the registration system is so automated that the temporary poll workers who staff precincts on Election Day could check the identities and residential addresses of instant voters against other state databases. Election Day registration invites fraud.

Election-Day registration is not likely to increase voter participation or turnout. Most important, however, is that what some call “convenience voting,” which includes “mail voting, no excuse absentee voting, early voting and even election-day registration,” may actually hurt turnout.[48] The general election voter turnout in 2008 was the highest in a presidential election since 1960. However, an American University study reported that of “the 12 states which had turnout declines in 2008 as compared to 2004, 10 had some form of convenience voting. Of the 13 states which had the greatest increases in turnout, seven had none of the forms of convenience voting.”[49] In fact, four of the eight states with Election Day registration reported lower turnout in 2008, when turnout generally went up in the rest of the country, than they had reported in 2004. The state with the largest decrease in turnout in 2008 was Maine (minus 3.6 percentage points), which also has Election Day registration.
Similarly, a study by the Maine Heritage Policy Center found that Election Day registration in Maine had “had no recognizable impact on voter turnout” since its implementation in 1973. In fact, the three election years in which Maine had its “lowest turnout years since 1960 occurred after EDR was implemented.”[50] Nationwide, turnout in the 2012 election was generally down from 2008, dropping a little over 5 percentage points, yet the turnout in Maine went down over 8 percentage points.[51]
Curtis Gans of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate has concluded that states that adopt “convenience voting” reforms “have a worse performance in the aggregate than those which do not.” The only temporary exception is for Election Day registration, which apparently helps turnout only “in its initial application and for a few elections thereafter.” In fact, in election years where turnout generally increases, “the increase in states with convenience voting” is smaller than the increase in those states that have not adopted such measures, while “in years of decrease, the decreases in the states [with convenience voting] are greater.”[52]
Election Day registration, particularly with its increased risk of ballot fraud, is not the answer to low turnout or registration.

Alternative Approaches to Registration Reform
States can help to ensure voting roll accuracy. There is no question that the U.S voter registration system could be improved. As the Pew Center on the States found, one of every eight registrations in the United States is “no longer valid or [is] significantly inaccurate.”[53] Over 1.8 million deceased voters remain registered, and almost 3 million people are registered in more than one state. However, the answer to these problems is not federal mandates or federal interference in election administration, which should be reserved to the states, consistent with America’s decentralized election administration system.
According to Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, federal mandates would be “completely unworkable” and would “make a mess” of state voter registration databases. States have already begun to implement state-based, bipartisan remedies to voter registration problems that preserve the balance of power between states and the federal government while maximizing new registration technology in order to ease, rather than remove, an individual’s responsibility to register himself.

For example, Secretary Kobach has initiated the “Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program” to “increase the number of eligible citizens who register to vote” while ensuring “that accurate and current voter registration rolls are maintained.”[54] As of January 10, 2013, 21 states are participating in this program,[55] comparing their voter registration lists to detect multiple registrations (and votes) by the same individual in different states. By the end of 2012, 15 states had compared over 45 million records, turning up hundreds of thousands of potentially duplicate registrations.
For those voters who registered in a new state because they moved but neglected to notify election officials in the state of their former residence, this program gives them an opportunity to correct their registration. For those who intentionally register in more than one state to commit fraud, it helps states to discover violations of the law that threaten the integrity of elections—violations that in the past have been almost impossible to detect. Prosecutions of individuals who were found to have voted in two different states under this program, according to Kobach, have already been initiated.

Similarly, the Pew Center on the States is working on a project with seven states—Colorado, Delaware, Maryland, Nevada, Utah, Virginia, and Washington—to improve the accuracy of voter registration lists and improve voter registration rates. This initiative consists of comparing registration lists with “other data sources to broaden the base of information used to update and verify voter rolls,” using the same proven data-matching techniques developed in private industry “to ensure accuracy and security,” and developing new ways for voters to submit registration information to “minimize manual data entry” errors.[56]
After a long struggle with the Obama Administration, states such as Florida and Colorado are also starting to gain access to the Department of Homeland Security’s records on aliens in order to check the citizenship status of registered voters. However, as Secretary Gessler noted while speaking at The Heritage Foundation, the DHS records are incomplete and contain errors. While access to the DHS database is needed, such access is no substitute for, or nearly as effective as, requiring individuals registering to vote or voting to provide proof of identity or citizenship as Georgia, Alabama, and Arizona have done.
Pouring huge amounts of information, much of it full of errors and mistakes, from federal databases into state voter registration databases would only make the current problems exponentially worse. States are solving the problems that exist in registration lists; additional federal bureaucracy will not help.
Moreover, the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, created by the Help America Vote Act of 2002, is one of the most dysfunctional agencies in the federal government and does not have the resources, personnel, or knowledge to direct states. These proposals that supposedly are intended to help states improve the accuracy and validity of state voter registration lists could instead sabotage the progress that states are already making.
States are improving the voter registration process. The National Voter Registration Act made voter registration easy: It requires voter registration at state DMV, welfare, and disability agencies and military recruitment offices, as well as mandating mail-in registration. Yet states have been initiating new measures to make registration even simpler. States like Colorado, Louisiana, and Georgia have implemented online registration that allows individuals who already have a state driver’s license to register to vote over the Internet. Colorado voters can register using the state’s online voter registration system through their computers, phones, or tablets. And Louisiana has implemented a smartphone application that allows voters to access information about their registration, polling location, voting district, and sample ballots.
In 2012, Colorado Secretary of State Gessler sent notices to 700,000 Coloradans who might be eligible to vote but were not yet registered to encourage and help them to register for the upcoming election.[57] By Election Day, Colorado voter registration reached a record level: 440,888 more voters registered than in 2008, a 13.7 percent increase. Colorado’s increase in turnout is even more notable when considering that most of the nation saw a decrease in turnout in 2012 compared to the 2008 election. Secretary Gessler attributes this increase to the deployment of “new technologies and systems such as multi-state data matching, electronic ballot delivery for military and overseas voters, and high-speed Ballot on Demand printers.”[58]
Conclusion

The federal government and Members of Congress should respect differences among states. America is not homogenous, and one size does not fit all, especially when it comes to issues like voter registration. Citizens in different states have different needs, desires, and values; therefore, it makes little sense for the federal government to micromanage state voter registration systems. Indeed, the federal government has almost no experience administering elections; states are the experts on voting and, as such, are already implementing new programs and systems to improve the accuracy, effectiveness, and ease of the voter registration process.
Requiring automatic registration from government databases risks the integrity of the election process and improperly shifts the responsibility for registering from the individual to the government. States are already using federalism and their unique responsibilities in the voting process as originally intended: to experiment in the laboratories of democracy. The improvements these states are implementing come at less cost—to our treasury, our Constitution, and the integrity of our elections—than mandatory universal registration.
—Hans A. von Spakovsky is a Senior Legal Fellow at The Heritage Foundation and a former Commissioner on the Federal Election Commission. He is the coauthor of Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk (Encounter Books, 2012).

[turiya]

I apologize to the people of Avalon if I was abrasive, I will do my best to moderate myself in future and tone down my obnoxiousness to acceptable levels.

If I may insert my 2 cents worth...



The apology would be no doubt accepted whole heartedly.
As Avalon is not a vindictive group, by any means.

From Online Etymology Dictionary (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=politics)

Politicks is the science of good sense, applied to public affairs, and, as those are forever changing, what is wisdom to-day would be folly and perhaps, ruin to-morrow. Politicks is not a science so properly as a business. It cannot have fixed principles, from which a wise man would never swerve, unless the inconstancy of men's view of interest and the capriciousness of the tempers could be fixed. [Fisher Ames (1758-1808)]


In other words, whatever notion one has of what politics is today, does not hold true for what it will be tomorrow. Or, as Heraclitus has put it:

'No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.'

We are here on this Earth to grow, and learn what it is to be a human being that occupies a physical human form. Everyone proceeds through their growth at their own pace. Some may be further ahead of others, some may be further lagging behind to still some others. Nobody should be constued as higher or lower than anybody else. As we all will end up finishing at the same higher level of awareness.

Some may need to go through the process of understanding what being involved with politics has to offer. Some others may have learned already from their previous involvement, and have come to a point that it is no longer necessary for one to be so much engaged with it any longer.

So, its an individual affair... an individual decision whether one wishes to be engaged with it, or not. Its entirely up to each individual to decide for themselves.

Having come to a point in one's own development where one finds that engaging in politics is no longer needed, this is fine for the person that has come to his own realization in understanding in knowing this. However, it doesn't mean that one - having achieved such a position - can dictate to others that it is not necessary for them to do so. This would be a kind of a trespass, in a way. Imposing one's own learning onto another. One has to be allowed to come to this understanding for themselves.

As Paul McCartney's mother (whose name was Mary) once said to Paul... Let it Be, let it be (https://mattandjojang.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/the-story-behind-paul-mccartneys-song-let-it-be/)...

Nothing left to do, but move along.

cheers



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOF4ZsEq6c

[Daozen]

^^^ This is true. I think my points about RDS and the political machine being a distraction are on topic. I think adult human beings are conditioned to look to politics for change, when it is the slowest route to transformation. But I should give my opinions in a less dictatorial manner. Too much chili can ruin a dish, to be sure. I re-read my posts and facepalm all the time. Such is the path of fire. I am softer IRL. I don't know what it is about online life that brings out that part of myself. Probably the name of Avalon.

Free will must be respected at all times. This is Westworld, after all. Where you find out who you really are.

I believe the topic was Electoral Reform.

Must dash, I got St Germaine on the other line.

:backtotopic:

[Pam]

I apologize to the people of Avalon if I was abrasive, I will do my best to moderate myself in future and tone down my obnoxiousness to acceptable levels.

I'll keep it as dry as I can:

- In my view, nothing that Robert David Steele is promising will come true.

- He'll continue to make promises for months and years, before losing people's trust and fading into the background. That process has already started, and it's only a matter of time now.

- While I accept that everyone has the right to discuss the subjects they want; in my view, putting energy and passion into poltics may well be a recipe for a wasted life. I find it a shame that discussions like these dominate Avalon, when subjects like immortality and new building materials are often sidelined.

- TPTB know that political discourse is a dead end, so they deliberately encourage people to enter the political arena. This allows them to misdirect the energy of potential changemakers and disruptors into safe, harmless, channels.

- While political discussion may appear dynamic, under the surface it's feeding both sides of the beast.

- RDS, whether he knows it or not, is leading people up the garden path, into a dead end.

- Look at history, especially the 60s and 70s, and figure how many "alternative leaders" were in fact working for the establishment. Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Bob Weir, and all the Laurel Canyon people to name but a few. Are the same operations going on nowadays?

- There has been a concerted effort, for more than 5 years, to flood Avalon and the other conspiracy boards with sweet and sour fantasy. One group is promising instant doom, the other easy liberation. Both are deceptive.

- In the past 20, 200, or 2000 years. 99 percent of change has come from the private sector.

*

- There is a huge release of technology going on under our noses, and Avalon seems 98% oblivious to it. Part of that oblivion is the result of political noise, bullhorning and false promises from various alt media pundits.

- I have watched this going on for 5 years and I don't like it. My aim has never been to self prromote (none of you know my name, location or face) but to promote the technology that can bring about a better world. It is my right to voice my opinion when I see people using Avalon to promote agendas which I see as dangerous to humans in 2017.

- I have benefitted a lot from my time here and I'll probably stick to the longevity/immortality threads.

The final revolution will come when humans rise up against their own stupidity.

I will warn you only once, do not find yourself staring in the mirror one day wondering if you've wasted your entire life. I type this to warn myself, just as much as others. A Rennaisance is trying to take hold. It needs help to grow. But if you wish to meander in the abyss, that is your right.

I'll go and research c60 + h2 now.

*doffs cap*

Daozen, I appreciate your passion for life and your courage to speak out. You are appreciated here.

[Daozen]

Daozen, I appreciate your passion for life and your courage to speak out. You are appreciated here.

Don't encourage me Pam. :) OK I have some ideas, but I must learn to present them cooly and calmly. I get annoyed in the Keshe and CIA threads sometimes because these are the power blocks who are causing a lot of difficulties for so many people. But this is no excuse. A half-decent diplomat should stay composed at all times. This is why Avalon's interesting, it's a round table re-presenting nearly all soul groups involved in this conflict. The fact that most of us stay calm, most of the time, in most threads, is kind of amazing, considering the stakes.

I sometimes find Avalon threads lacking on an information level, but what I really learnt, and what I really need, is the meta-learning. i.e. how to present ideas and increase my E.Q. As many Avalonians are older than me, I've learnt an incredible amount about how to interact and present myself to people. The lessons here are very subtle, but it is a good school for future leaders, changemakers, whatever you call them. Everyone's learning. I notice other people are working through their problems at a rate of one-day-per-day. Slow burning embers are more inviting than a spitting fire, so I will tone down the heat to a simmer.

Everything rests on this next 50 year window. Humans have many options, and I pray they choose wisely.

:bows:

[Helene West]

RDS has tried to warn trump on numerous shows to get rid of Reince Priebus, that he was a backstabber and one of the leakers. Well, the You're Fired phenom just hit again, he's canned. Curious what RDS will have to say...

[Fellow Aspirant]

I'm sure she's interviewed lots of CIA contractors so I don't see the big deal?

Captain Obvious tells me you and former Avalon member, Seeking Senior over at TOT are using these forums as a launching pad, just as Corey did... A common 'marketing strategy' is very apparent. CIA is one of the most corrupt organizations in our country so these individuals speaking of integrity is laughable. How many threads do we need about this guy?

If you watch the interview, you'll discover that RDS is interviewing Kerry, NOT the other way around.

I find the turnabout refreshing and the condensed info to be a worthwhile format.

The education of RDS continues apace.

Thanks to Barney for bringing this to my attention.

B.

[we-R-one]

I did watch the interview, long ago thank you. Don't see it as a big deal at all. I think RDS is merely pumping Kerry for information. Why isn't he discussing his UNRIG? This forum is being used to promote his agenda just as Corey used it. RDS appears to be in the same campaign group, the connection being Justin Deschamps, who showed up on the UNRIG website on the Core Team page, which interestingly has now been scrubbed. And did anyone here catch that? Likely not......Corey has no credibility so why would RDS be touting some of his info?

[The Moss Trooper]

we-R-one:
Corey has no credibility so why would RDS be touting some of his info?

Maybe not here, maybe not with you. But with some, potentially a lot, he has plenty, and if the whispers circling the entertainment industry are true, about to be a whole lot more.

[we-R-one]

'''', and if the whispers circling the entertainment industry are true, about to be a whole lot more.

Oh yes, in ways one can't even imagine....

[Fellow Aspirant]

I did watch the interview, long ago thank you. Don't see it as a big deal at all. I think RDS is merely pumping Kerry for information. Why isn't he discussing his UNRIG? This forum is being used to promote his agenda just as Corey used it. RDS appears to be in the same campaign group, the connection being Justin Deschamps, who showed up on the UNRIG website on the Core Team page, which interestingly has now been scrubbed. And did anyone here catch that? Likely not......Corey has no credibility so why would RDS be touting some of his info?

Why would you expect RDS to discuss UNRIG if he was the interviewer? That was not the purpose of the exchange. I think RDS' style was an effective one, especially with Kerry. Her answers were condensed and to the point, and he let her expand wherever possible. For me, the important thing is that there is now available a condensed "speed course" of Kerry's info - a good thing if someone wants to get a quick overview or send a link to a friend to get them up to speed. In this regard, RDS has performed a valuable service to all of us. What he believes matters not w.r.t. this interview. I prefer to leave him aside and focus on the result.

B.

[onawah]

CIA faction wants Trump to disclose, according to Simon Parkes' source
https://www.simonparkes.org/single-post/2017/07/30/Robert-David-Steel-Kerry-Cassidy



Sunday, July 30, 2017
The recent interview between Robert David Steel and Kerry Cassidy is very well worth watching. For the record I agree with 100% of the info Kerry replied with.

What's not widely known outside of intelligence circles is the following....
One faction of the CIA are putting a mission/dossier together for President Trump in order to gain his agreement to not only disclose but to absolve from prosecution some key players ....

This is seen as vital to full disclosure.

[Jantje]

CIA faction wants Trump to disclose, according to Simon Parkes' source
https://www.simonparkes.org/single-post/2017/07/30/Robert-David-Steel-Kerry-Cassidy



Sunday, July 30, 2017
The recent interview between Robert David Steel and Kerry Cassidy is very well worth watching. For the record I agree with 100% of the info Kerry replied with.

What's not widely known outside of intelligence circles is the following....
One faction of the CIA are putting a mission/dossier together for President Trump in order to gain his agreement to not only disclose but to absolve from prosecution some key players ....

This is seen as vital to full disclosure.

If I was Simon Parkes I would keep agreeing with Kerry and keep kissing her behind. It makes sense from his point of view.

After all Kerry is the only one who still supports his story. At the expense of her own credibility in my opinion.

What is more shocking is that Simon at his own website still offers "services" to people suffering from demonic possesion amongst other things.

This guy is still at it apparently

[we-R-one]

I did watch the interview, long ago thank you. Don't see it as a big deal at all. I think RDS is merely pumping Kerry for information. Why isn't he discussing his UNRIG? This forum is being used to promote his agenda just as Corey used it. RDS appears to be in the same campaign group, the connection being Justin Deschamps, who showed up on the UNRIG website on the Core Team page, which interestingly has now been scrubbed. And did anyone here catch that? Likely not......Corey has no credibility so why would RDS be touting some of his info?

Why would you expect RDS to discuss UNRIG if he was the interviewer? That was not the purpose of the exchange.

DUH? oK, that's my humorous response.

I'm not looking at the interview in the same manner you are, the difference in the interpretation of the matter at hand comes from the fact I'm 'vetting' the person by his actions and asking why is he wasting time in an interview of this nature when he should be touting his UNRIG movement that he claims is so important. Likely, most everyone else merely sees this interview from an entertainment perspective which is why they won't share my viewpoint. It's why I asked the question I did....this guy is now over $200K behind in his goal. Remember, I shared I worked within a national movement not to long ago....it takes millions of dollars to cover the entire UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, to create a tipping point, especially if you 'truly' are an underdog as the 'system' will do little to help you.

[Fellow Aspirant]

I did watch the interview, long ago thank you. Don't see it as a big deal at all. I think RDS is merely pumping Kerry for information. Why isn't he discussing his UNRIG? This forum is being used to promote his agenda just as Corey used it. RDS appears to be in the same campaign group, the connection being Justin Deschamps, who showed up on the UNRIG website on the Core Team page, which interestingly has now been scrubbed. And did anyone here catch that? Likely not......Corey has no credibility so why would RDS be touting some of his info?

Why would you expect RDS to discuss UNRIG if he was the interviewer? That was not the purpose of the exchange.

DUH? oK, that's my humorous response.

I'm not looking at the interview in the same manner you are, the difference in the interpretation of the matter at hand comes from the fact I'm 'vetting' the person by his actions and asking why is he wasting time in an interview of this nature when he should be touting his UNRIG movement that he claims is so important. Likely, most everyone else merely sees this interview from an entertainment perspective which is why they won't share my viewpoint. It's why I asked the question I did....this guy is now over $200K behind in his goal. Remember, I shared I worked within a national movement not to long ago....it takes millions of dollars to cover the entire UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, to create a tipping point, especially if you 'truly' are an underdog as the 'system' will do little to help you.

I took Kerry at her word when she said that he had been so pleased with her interview of him that he was returning the favour. It was a friendly gesture. Tit for tat. Simple as that.

B.

[Cardillac]

make of the info what you want; I personally found it very interresting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_jwqA-TY_0

be well all-

Larry

P.S.: isn't Steele supposedly a member of this forum?

[barneythez]

P.S.: isn't Steele supposedly a member of this forum?

He use to be, he won't be coming back.

[Chester]

I sent Robert Steele a question and was pleased to receive a quick response.

My questions was -

Hi Mr. Steele and thank you for your efforts and thank you for joining Avalon.

For me, the most important question I have ever answered for myself is:

“What is my metaphysical cosmological world view?”

Why it’s my opinion that this is the most important question for me to answer for myself is that it is also my firm opinion that how I impact the world (and myself) is foundationally derived from the deepest levels of my being based upon this world view.

When it comes to someone like yourself who has been quite proactive, who has generated a presence in the world and has made and continues to make quite a difference (compared to someone like myself who, other than my posts on the PA forum, has maintained a low profile), I am greatly interested in what might be your foundational, metaphysical cosmological world view. I know that most folks seem never to look at this question much, and so I do not assume you have but if so, I hope that you will answer this question.

Finally, I will follow up with an e-mail to share with you my own world view which I can do in a paragraph or two at most… doing this all and only to be fair. Why I am not including this information in this e-mail is that I do not wish to influence or in any way appear to impose my own world view but feel it fair to offer this information all and only because I asked you to share your own world view.

Kind Regards
Sam Hunter from the Project Avalon Forum


Robert Steel's response was - (note I did correct a few typos)


We are God. the Cosmos is God in detail, every time anyone does harm they are hurting the Cosmos in a way that will spread cancer, every time someone does good they are deepening and expanding the Cosmos in a positive way. Took me a long time to grow past me, country, world, universe.

I just felt this post should be bumped... meaning RDS' answer.

[Helene West]

I too wrote to RDS to the email address listed on his Unrig website. My question was more political - I asked if they could send me info on his Election Reform Bill as I didn't find much detail on the site. I also asked when on the air to please start explaining to people more about the Election Reform bill, to deemphasize trump this and that and emphasize/summarize this bill he's selling. (I promise I was respectful.) No response. I'm not surprised he answered the vast metaphysical question that Sam posed as Rds has the ego to do so. Not surprising also was his answer - "We are God."

I'm still in shock that my Dad passed away and I will not hear him or see him anymore. I think he passed away because - He was NOT God. I see evidence constantly of my aging, I think that is also because - I am NOT God. In a nation of approx 323M people isn't it odd that there is no one in the public domain that tries like an MLK to make us see each other as brother and sister fellow 'creations' of the Divine? I think it would have made him nauseous if it was suggested to him to start preaching that we are God. If someone today started publicly encouraging The Attainable, i.e., we are brothers and sister creations by a Divine force, he/she would probably have an "accident" before they ever hit mainstream. Instead we are encouraged to embrace the Unattainable - We are God. They say there is no more powerful drug than wanting the unattainable.

Why is 'We Are God' not only a pillar of the new age movement but is now seeping into politics? Where did this come from?
One could argue it's a reaction to the centuries of church indoctrination that 'we are dust and unto dust thou shalt return'. How ignoble. But somehow considering we are now largely a secular society I find that explanation old and no longer applicable. ImHo, I feel this fairly new precept is coming from the same source, the same mentality that is mandating the authoring of Charlottesville, created the Income Tax, authored Columbine, geoengineering, and much of our popular movies and Tv shows including GOT, etc., etc. - i.e,. Some office in one of our abc agencies that deal with culture creation/ culture destruction.

But Why??? Why would the powers that be want the masses to have this belief that We Are God? Sounds at first blush empowering so why would they want that for the ordinary world citizen? Many are accustomed to saying this or that is a 'distraction'. I feel this is similar - a decoy. As the masses are made more powerless the normal anger that should be accompanying this process has to be dealt with. 'We are God' not only helps detour our intuition that something is terribly wrong but appeals to the human Ego to ensure no resistance. If I am God, well what's there to worry about, fear, get angry over, or take action against? All is well, all is good...'We are God' is Ego Food, relaxing, laid back, non threatening as opposed to empowering, particularly non-threatening to our overlords. Belief in any organized religion on the other hand will require loyalty to a God that gave its people actual tenets to follow. Now that can be threatening to the overlords. I'm not shocked our CIA agent is putting forth a belief in this Intel new age premise.

My views I realize seem a minority view on this forum but I firmly believe that we are the Creation not the Creator and believing the opposite may feel good but I don't believe it's going to help us in any tangible way.

[Helene West]

I've listened to many jeff rense interviews on youtube over the years. the latest RDS interview on jeff rense had the Comments below the vid disabled. I always read the comments to get a sense of how people are reacting to rense's views as well as his guests. I've never seen the Comments disabled. I'm sure it was RDS's request....

[Chester]

I took RDS's response in a positive way. He pointed to something that looks/feels a lot like my own "thing."

That doesn't mean I agree with his politics and it doesn't mean I think he's a straight shooter. Making sure to clarify part two of my last sentence... I don't know, either way.

[Bob]

I too wrote to RDS to the email address listed on his Unrig website. My question was more political - I asked if they could send me info on his Election Reform Bill as I didn't find much detail on the site. I also asked when on the air to please start explaining to people more about the Election Reform bill, to deemphasize trump this and that and emphasize/summarize this bill he's selling. (I promise I was respectful.) No response. I'm not surprised he answered the vast metaphysical question that Sam posed as Rds has the ego to do so. Not surprising also was his answer - "We are God."

I'm still in shock that my Dad passed away and I will not hear him or see him anymore. I think he passed away because - He was NOT God. I see evidence constantly of my aging, I think that is also because - I am NOT God. In a nation of approx 323M people isn't it odd that there is no one in the public domain that tries like an MLK to make us see each other as brother and sister fellow 'creations' of the Divine? I think it would have made him nauseous if it was suggested to him to start preaching that we are God. If someone today started publicly encouraging The Attainable, i.e., we are brothers and sister creations by a Divine force, he/she would probably have an "accident" before they ever hit mainstream. Instead we are encouraged to embrace the Unattainable - We are God. They say there is no more powerful drug than wanting the unattainable.

Why is 'We Are God' not only a pillar of the new age movement but is now seeping into politics? Where did this come from?
One could argue it's a reaction to the centuries of church indoctrination that 'we are dust and unto dust thou shalt return'. How ignoble. But somehow considering we are now largely a secular society I find that explanation old and no longer applicable. ImHo, I feel this fairly new precept is coming from the same source, the same mentality that is mandating the authoring of Charlottesville, created the Income Tax, authored Columbine, geoengineering, and much of our popular movies and Tv shows including GOT, etc., etc. - i.e,. Some office in one of our abc agencies that deal with culture creation/ culture destruction.

But Why??? Why would the powers that be want the masses to have this belief that We Are God? Sounds at first blush empowering so why would they want that for the ordinary world citizen? Many are accustomed to saying this or that is a 'distraction'. I feel this is similar - a decoy. As the masses are made more powerless the normal anger that should be accompanying this process has to be dealt with. 'We are God' not only helps detour our intuition that something is terribly wrong but appeals to the human Ego to ensure no resistance. If I am God, well what's there to worry about, fear, get angry over, or take action against? All is well, all is good...'We are God' is Ego Food, relaxing, laid back, non threatening as opposed to empowering, particularly non-threatening to our overlords. Belief in any organized religion on the other hand will require loyalty to a God that gave its people actual tenets to follow. Now that can be threatening to the overlords. I'm not shocked our CIA agent is putting forth a belief in this Intel new age premise.

My views I realize seem a minority view on this forum but I firmly believe that we are the Creation not the Creator and believing the opposite may feel good but I don't believe it's going to help us in any tangible way.

Thank you Helene - i appreciate your REALIST viewpoint very much. I feel your STAND is the right thing to do.. Take the stand and go for it.

[Baby Steps]

I just wanted to express gratitude for the following interview, this particular interviewer seems to bring out the best in RDS.

We hear about how to remove Israeli influence in congress, clip the wings of the deep state and WHY the military hates Iran. Yes, it sounds like they are after Iran for their own USA reasons, but RDS makes the point that attacks made on USA have been blow-back for USA crimes.

All power to him.

I would like to hear more about what to do about Israel & the Zionist lobby. Clearly there have been crimes, both by Israel and by Israel influenced people in the USA (etc....)
Assuming the US people do not simply destroy Israel when they discover the truth, how can we build a peaceful future. You cannot shut down a country, most people born in Israel are not directly responsible, and , apart from the atrocities etc, Israel is in many ways a magnificent country and a force for good.

How to facilitate reconciliation and compensation for all the victims, including Palestinians?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvZmYtfYTM

[we-R-one]

UPDATE:

yEP, I'll admit it....this is an 'I told you so' post. Those who donated, sadly wasted their money. As mentioned earlier in this thread, from having worked in a national movement myself, it takes millions and even then it's no guarantee, what we're they thinking?

Looks like UNRIG has officially unrigged. From the website:

"We are not receiving the donations needed to create the team and the effect we hoped for. For this reason the RV has been sold and Cynthia McKinney is back in Bangladesh."

Source: https://www.unrig.net/budget-report/


From the Contact page: https://www.unrig.net/150-2/core-team/

EMERITUS Cynthia Ann McKinney
"Today she teaches a US-accredited Master of Business Administration (MBA) program in Bangladesh. She lent her name and voice to #UNRIG for six months, and spent three weeks on the road with Robert. She will develop on her own initiative the powercell concept, but from 7 December 2017 is not associated formally with #UNRIG. Robert’s personal statement:”If Donald Trump does not run in 2020, Cynthia McKinney has my vote —


Ah yes...someone who cares so much about her country the United States, that she returns to Bangladesh?...It's clear her interests continue to lie abroad(which in fairness is her right), but it's why her constituents turned on her long ago....And they won't forget, which is why running for high office would be a disaster. But don't worry, there are plenty in the 'Progressive' movement waiting in the wings.

[HaveBlue]

RDS certainly is an interesting chap. He said he spends $5000 per year on books. That is quite some reading material! I had to kind of admire the way he handled Kerry C in that 'reverse' interview.

Fine I suppose if you are working to a strict time limit and want to get all pre-written questions asked but it was not a style of interviewing I had seen before. But he seemed to know Kerry Cs style well enough to want to make sure she answered his questions directly, without allowing her to go off on tangents and take control of the interview herself.

RDS and Bill Ryan both tend to ask well crafted questions and then let the guest speak and finish speaking before they ask another question or seek clarification on a specific point. This style is appreciated by listeners such as myself.

I really enjoyed RDS recent interview with Ben Fulford when RDS made a special trip to Japan just to see him. It does bother me that RDS is at odds with both Jason Goodman of Crowd Source the Truth and Field McConnell of Abel Danger though since I like all of them. If RDS gets to see this post it would be great to get his side of things there.

[Flash]

I find Kerry quite more concise since that interview. She goes off different tangents much less often, has stopped wanting to teach her guest and she let them speak much more

From unpleasant listening to her interviews, it has become almost always interesting.

RDS certainly is an interesting chap. He said he spends $5000 per year on books. That is quite some reading material! I had to kind of admire the way he handled Kerry C in that 'reverse' interview.

Fine I suppose if you are working to a strict time limit and want to get all pre-written questions asked but it was not a style of interviewing I had seen before. But he seemed to know Kerry Cs style well enough to want to make sure she answered his questions directly, without allowing her to go off on tangents and take control of the interview herself.

RDS and Bill Ryan both tend to ask well crafted questions and then let the guest speak and finish speaking before they ask another question or seek clarification on a specific point. This style is appreciated by listeners such as myself.

I really enjoyed RDS recent interview with Ben Fulford when RDS made a special trip to Japan just to see him. It does bother me that RDS is at odds with both Jason Goodman of Crowd Source the Truth and Field McConnell of Abel Danger though since I like all of them. If RDS gets to see this post it would be great to get his side of things there.

[Desire]

Helen,
Remember Hitler... "One country, One people, One leader?. Or how about "One world order". Now we are One god. I don't believe it is the right time for that kind of thinking . The cabal has the ability to infiltrate any movement and direct it to their ends. What a convenient way to usurp this movement and create a new one world order of their (elites0 making. Eyes open It's not the time for Cumbia.
Thanks Helen , appreciate your views.

[norman]

Time ticks away, and Steel's profile gets more defined.

Kevin Annett has had a run-in with him, which he tells about in the first 40mins of this interview with Dr Katherine Horton (stop007).

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https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AAuE7mCvJfgJzL--zhu7bf9Z_no4aMj9Jx_TpI8p6w=s48-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjWJntgTFLL-gPofpru_iYg)Dr. Katherine Horton - Stop 007 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjWJntgTFLL-gPofpru_iYg)
Streamed live on 21 Mar 2019

Dr. Katherine Horton interviews Kevin Annett and they discuss the disinformation levelled at campaigners.

[DNA]

Time ticks away, and Steel's profile gets more defined.

Kevin Annett has had a run-in with him, which he tells about in the first 40mins of this interview with Dr Katherine Horton (stop007).

nivL6cOqj_w
https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AAuE7mCvJfgJzL--zhu7bf9Z_no4aMj9Jx_TpI8p6w=s48-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjWJntgTFLL-gPofpru_iYg)Dr. Katherine Horton - Stop 007 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjWJntgTFLL-gPofpru_iYg)
Streamed live on 21 Mar 2019

Dr. Katherine Horton interviews Kevin Annett and they discuss the disinformation levelled at campaigners.




I remember Kevin Annette pretty much lost all credibility in the alt community about five years ago. I'm a pretty big Robert David Steele fan and it will take more than the likes of a compromised Kevin Annette to make me feel otherwise



https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/action-plan-help-us-stop-kevin-annetts-fraud/





Action Plan: Help Us Stop Kevin Annett’s Fraud!

Posted on April 20, 2012 (https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/action-plan-help-us-stop-kevin-annetts-fraud/) | 24 Comments (https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/action-plan-help-us-stop-kevin-annetts-fraud/#comments)
https://genuinewitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/kevinannett-justice.jpg?w=500 (https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/action-plan-help-us-stop-kevin-annetts-fraud/kevinannett-justice/)
After three articles, and a very long debate, Kevin Annett’s credibility is no longer (https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/my-response-to-kevin-annett-about-the-bones-and-a-few-more-issues/). He has been uncovered for lying, changing his story multiple times, and his rather dodgy charitable collections to a trailer park in Florida…

I believe, with the exception of people who are too deeply invested in Kevin’s stories, most reasonable people have come to the conclusion that Mr. Annett is a con artist. So, I hope you all agree that the time has come to shut this man down.
Kevin has a rather unorthodox method of collecting revenue & donations:
https://genuinewitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pay-my-daddy1.jpeg?w=500&h=559 (https://genuinewitty.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/action-plan-help-us-stop-kevin-annetts-fraud/pay-my-daddy1/)
There are a few problems with this:
1.) Most legal charitable organizations would not only have a non-residential address to send money to.
2.) It is not legal to deposit donations to a charitable organization into a personal chequing account.
3.) There is no mention of a tax number or registration number for the “Intetnational Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State”.
Considering this, taking-down Kevin will be an easy job. All we have to do is report his illegal intake of cash to the US & Canadian tax authorities and they’ll do the rest of the work for us!
Alfred Webre was instrumental in exposing Kevin Annette as compromised. So if Keven Annette is attacking Robert David Steele, I'm going to double down on my love for Robert David Steele.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjvOAD9r9w

[RTJ]

Hmmmm.....

Ex-CIA?

I've seen a few of his interviews - not impressed, just like ex-cops, military etc, HOW TO EARN is the driving force, merely giving OPINIONS is not the most revealing of sources.

What could he possibly offer BUT an opinion or speculation based on his experience - but TRUST and CIA/FBI/MI5,6/MOSSAD/FSB don't mix and never will for some. It's their 3-minute superficial news-bites which offer what?

He seems pleasant enough, and I bear him no ill-will - for what it's worth, being a Brit.

[James Newell]

I guess I haven't noticed, about Steele joining Avalon, I would like to ask a question:" Was the interview with Alex Jone, Re the Mar's bases just 'a slip', or was there something more behind it?

[Gwin Ru]

Robert David Steele talks to Charlie Ward #UNRIG (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23UNRIG) 53:07

17,507 views
•Premiered 10 hours ago



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https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJxKQyhR1L1YQ8KZzasQr0Wn5MF7ObSaZ4z8mHQzyb0=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/user/drcharlieward) Charles Ward (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU8a-ffUdLQU6osR4xkZr9w)

https://RobertDavidSteele.com (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?v=RCIpV2dYq20&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbWZLdVhQVHVRblhzd0hFeGhiTFp3ZTk4dFJUUXxBQ3Jtc0tuR3hXNUNWanh5dTNBMFdWY253NW10cF9T ejY5WVNBTWFwcUdoYlFKbEdvV05DamMwWWZTeDYwWEk4TDZzS3djMTk2MmNzR1d0SmZobkpoWG5DZGVXbnpjd2VEUmNPQ3BLRG5t WGQ0RHItczRLeVZkRQ%3D%3D&event=video_description&q=https%3A%2F%2FRobertDavidSteele.com)
https://www.youtube.com/robertdavidst... (https://www.youtube.com/robertdavidsteeleunrig)
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/unrig/

[muxfolder]

https://twitter.com/Bitchute/status/1432338883371433984?s=20

Is this true?

[Gwin Ru]

...

... looks like it:

https://deathmilitia.com/usmc-vetran-robert-david-steele-passed-away-obituary/


1432114945953501188

...


... succumbed from the hospital's CoVid rigid protocol of a lethal double-tap:


Remdesivir +



ventilator

[ThePythonicCow]

Is this true?
Yes, it seems so.

From the reports I can see on a quick search, Robert David Steele had a nasty case of the covid disease,with low oxygen and intubation in an ICU. He was adamantly not-vaxxxed.

Robert David Steele, VT Editor, Friend, Dead
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor -August 30, 2021

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/08/30/robert-david-steele-vt-editor-friend-dead

[thepainterdoug]

I knew Robert David , he loved my portrait of him that i did for my whistleblowers series. I defend his right to choose and send condolences to his family and friends.

[Delight]

I knew David , he loved my portrait of him that i did for my whistleblowers series. I defend his right to choose and send condolences to his family and friends.

Lovely portrait. This was just so horrible for him. What does it bode for everyone?

He was a well known person in the alt community and had lots of contacts but he was STILL a prisoner of this horrific system that has developed. Here is a discussion of the hospital mistreatment malfeasance malevolence that these MDs have experienced. It is SHOCKING and terrifying.

If anyone has not heard this report, I suggest that they DO. The medical industrial complex has DELIBERATELY wrecked the foundation of humane and reasonable care.

wPeAakYopqAX

[Bill Ryan]

Mike Adams addresses his death in hospital at the start of his Situation Update for today. It seems clear from what appears to be known that Robert was not treated in any way such that he stood a good chance of recovery from covid.

https://brighteon.com/6bb1992e-3d3f-4d3e-8ccb-af64b8897ad1

6bb1992e-3d3f-4d3e-8ccb-af64b8897ad1

[gord]

I don't understand why RDS would have agreed to take Remdesivir.

????

[Eric J (Viking)]

Was Robert David Steele Murdered?

There was talk of a biological weapon at one of his rallies..

How Did Robert David Steele Die? Questions are being asked about how Robert David Steele died. A 69 years old veteran of the USMC and the CIA, Robert David Steele was recognized for his work across the globe along with his extreme views.

It is reported that he was admitted to the hospital on 16 August 2021, because he was diagnosed with COVID-19. Rumors said he request alternative medical treatment but the hospital refused the request and stayed with known protacols which included placing him on a ventilator.

Robert David Steele was a retired politician and former military intelligence officer. He served efficiently and managed several operations during his service. He was also an author, having written and published many books on the topic of secret intelligence agencies. His books achieved wide prominence and success all around the world. He was recognixed as a genuine personality who inspired a lot of youngsters by his actions.

___
https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2021/08/was-robert-david-steele-murdered-2523498.html

Viking

[7alon]

Mike Adams addresses his death in hospital at the start of his Situation Update for today. It seems clear from what appears to be known that Robert was not treated in any way such that he stood a good chance of recovery from covid.

https://brighteon.com/6bb1992e-3d3f-4d3e-8ccb-af64b8897ad1

6bb1992e-3d3f-4d3e-8ccb-af64b8897ad1

I doubt he died from covid. I can't prove it but my intuition is going crazy. What benefit does an individual receive if they are legally dead?.. unless its a double jeopardy thing? Public covid death, so he can be executed for treason? He is an Alex Jones associate, and many of them are Mossad. I wonder why RDS wore a very similar red ring to John Podesta, Oprah, the Iranian General Trump's Military killed? Why did he claim Lynn De Rothschild is a 'babe from New Jersey' in my brief email interview?/questions? (Which is on this forum).

Definitely more to this!

[gord]

I wonder why RDS wore a very similar red ring to John Podesta, Oprah, the Iranian General Trump's Military killed?

Definitely more to this!

There's a video of RDS showing his red marine ring up close to the camera in response these suspicions a while back. I archived it, but I wouldn't have at clue which one to look in.

Something like this one:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/170878652394-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

I also doubt he died from covid, and think there's definitely more to this.

[7alon]

I wonder why RDS wore a very similar red ring to John Podesta, Oprah, the Iranian General Trump's Military killed?

Definitely more to this!

There's a video of RDS showing his red marine ring up close to the camera in response these suspicions a while back. I archived it, but I wouldn't have at clue which one to look in.

Something like this one:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/170878652394-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

I also doubt he died from covid, and think there's definitely more to this.

Thanks, I had heard about this, that sure is quite the coincidence those marine rings look similar to what members of the Cabal wear. Here is a thread on the rings via twitter. I'm going off topic now, so I'll leave it at that. If Robert is indeed innocent for some reason, and did really die, my respects RIP.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LileStarseed/status/1215813429484761089

[Denise/Dizi]

I don't understand why RDS would have agreed to take Remdesivir.

????

I can tell you that by the time you get into the state where you are actually in the hospital and receiving care? You aren't in the frame of mind to be your own advocate. And your loved ones are not allowed in, at least in my area... Generally you have been home for at least a week with a fever, unable to eat, unable to get any rest, etc... Most hospital protocols are Remdesivir, along with a host of supporting medications, and oxygen... And time.....

They do not offer alternate treatments... My husband had to demand his own treatments, and sign documents releasing liability from the Dr.s to take those treatments..

[avid]

https://zephyrproject.org
He was discussing this…

[Cardillac]

Robert David Steele has supposedly died of covid-

very controversial figure-

CIA operative Steele at one time was supposedly a member of this forum-

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/qanon-anti-vaxxer-dies-from-covid-b1911586.html

please be well all-

Larrey in Germany

[betoobig]

If he is dead why there are photos of him with John McAfee showing up on Telegram?
He is well and alive working now behind the scenes. I can´t confirm this but it resonates with me. Hope this doens´t offend anyone.
Much love

[RunningDeer]

DAVID ICKE | WAS ROBERT DAVID STEELE KILLED BY 'COVID' PROTOCOL? (7:44)

September 6, 2021

source (https://www.bitchute.com/video/XX8lddzjCx9Q/)


XX8lddzjCx9Q

Perceptions Of A Renegade Mind

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Purchased @ the David Icke Store (https://shop.davidicke.com/us/)

Summary (https://www.amazon.com/Perceptions-Renegade-Mind-David-Icke-ebook/dp/B09CHH6WWK/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Perceptions+Of+A+Renegade+Mind+–+David+Icke&qid=1630964049&sr=8-2):




David Icke has been writing books for decades warning that current events were coming. He has faced ridicule and abuse for saying that the end of human freedom was being planned, how, and by whom.

His latest highly topical book, Perceptions of a Renegade Mind, is published in very different circumstances with vast numbers of people acknowledging that he has been vindicated by the happenings of the ‘Covid’ era.

His predictions over more than 30 years have been proved stunningly accurate since the turn of 2020 often down to the fine detail.

Icke set out only in January, 2021, to write a book to quickly bring up-to-speed enormous numbers of people worldwide who can now see that something very strange is happening, but they ask what exactly? What is going on?

He answers those questions in his usual dot-connected detail and lays out the background to what he calls the ‘Global Cult’ which operates across borders to advance a long-planned agenda for total human control.

Those who read his section on ‘Covid’ will view events of 2020 and 2021 in a totally new light as he produces the evidence that humanity has been misled on a scale that beggars belief.

David Icke’s time has come and Perceptions of a Renegade Mind is destined to be an international best seller that could not have been published at a more important and relevant time or with such a now receptive audience to what he has to say.

[Gracy]

So David is convinced there is no Covid, hmmmmm...

[BoR]

So David is convinced there is no Covid, hmmmmm...

Yes, he said that in my interview with him in June 2020 and had been saying that from the start in 2020. It was the one thing he mentioned in the interview I was not sure about back then, but now I know there is something going on that you could call covid if you’d like. Whether it is from a virus or something else we don’t know. I can state that for a fact since the virus was never isolated. I personally suspect it has got something to do with radiation, since I felt a huge change in the energy field since 2020. I feel my body is under much more stress since then, and it feels like some sort of radiation, Or maybe it is a combination of the two.

But the symptoms can be really bad, as some people close to me have had remaining after-symptoms like astma, one girl who is in her early twenties (and was never hospitalized by the way, so no ventilators) is still having intermittent issues with breathing since she caught the whatever-it-is-disease in March of 2020. That doesn’t disprove however that the risks to young people are very very slim. And that the risk of dying from it is comparable with the flu , which could be severe too, many people underestimate the flu. She was just one of the very unlucky young people who did get the covid symptoms very badly.

So after a long study and observation of the situation I disagree with David that there is nothing different going on, I do agree though that all the ‘measures’ are 0% effective and are actually very very damaging. So he is spot on they are using these covid symptoms as a reason to finally bring in the Orwellian state they have been planning for, for so long. However, the counter movement is getting stronger by the day...

[Satori]

The putative virus is SARS Covid 2. That has been around a number of years. There is much information to support the conclusion that this virus is a chimeric virus, meaning it was 1) manipulated and synthesized in a lab from a combination of other viruses that were found in nature among certain animals, but not found in humans, and/or 2) combined with other synthesized “viruses”, such as HIV. One of the gain of function protocols was to break the barrier between animals and humans to allow what had only occurred in nature within certain animals, and not humans, to leap across the barrier to now infect humans. This was and is a Zoonotic disease in the making. It is gain of function per se.

The putative symptoms from the putative SARS Covid 2 virus, that is, the “disease”, has been named “Covid 19.” That disease consists of, or manifests itself as, many of the symptoms humans are now experiencing who have been exposed to the synthetically modified SARS Covid 2 virus.

In short, “Covid 19” did not arise spontaneously in nature. It is a product of human intervention, labeling and marketing like any other product.

The symptoms of Covid 19 can be treated and cured. In addition, it can even be prevented with traditional therapies, such as ivermectin and all the other tried and true remedies you have likely heard of. It cannot, however, be treated successfully with the jab.

If you take the time to listen to and understand what Icke is saying, especially if you couple that with listening to and understanding what people such as David Martin, PhD and Richard Fleming, PhD, MD, JD are saying, you would come to realize what Icke means when he says, or rather seems to say, there is no Covid 19.

[Satori]

I returned to my previous post to fix a typo and I was struck with a unsettling thought: If SARS Covid 2 is a bio weapon as many qualified experts suggest, and I am emphatically not arguing that it is, then what if the jab is the necessary trigger for releasing the next phase...?

For instance, most chemicals do not react unless combined with another chemical of a specific type which act as a catalyst. An example is epoxy (resin or glue) which is two or more substances that when combined harden and bind. A nuclear reaction also requires a trigger in the form of another element or force that must needs be applied to certain elements before the elements react.

So, what if the substances in the jab are combining with SARS Covid 2 pathogens, and perhaps other chemicals and elements in the body, to produce disease? If so, then whether this is the intended outcome or not, it will have catastrophic consequences.

[BoR]

Hi Satori,

I haven’t watched a recent interview with David, including the above, so I was only commenting on what he said to me back in 2020. I can imagine he has gathered more intel since then, but back then he literally said there was no virus at all, like, physically no virus other than the already existing viruses before 2020, and no new disease. That it was all made up.

I do understand every point you are making and it is all a matter of semantics. I can imagine today he means it the way you describe it.

[PurpleLama]

I returned to my previous post to fix a typo and I was struck with a unsettling thought: If SARS Covid 2 is a bio weapon as many qualified experts suggest, and I am emphatically not arguing that it is, then what if the jab is the necessary trigger for releasing the next phase...?

For instance, most chemicals do not react unless combined with another chemical of a specific type which act as a catalyst. An example is epoxy (resin or glue) which is two or more substances that when combined harden and bind. A nuclear reaction also requires a trigger in the form of another element or force that must needs be applied to certain elements before the elements react.

So, what if the substances in the jab are combining with SARS Covid 2 pathogens, and perhaps other chemicals and elements in the body, to produce disease? If so, then whether this is the intended outcome or not, it will have catastrophic consequences.

Or, is the jab actually inoculating against a hitherto umreleased pathogen, which will come later to kill off the independently minded among us?